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Speaker 2: Hi, it's Anali's Todd here from this Glorious Mess, introducing

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Speaker 2: the Mummamere network, just for you to escape the chaos

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Speaker 2: and enjoy with the kids at home and the weather

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Speaker 2: warming up. We've got episodes of Parents' Anonymous to share.

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Speaker 2: Parents Anonymous is part game show, part church confessional. You

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Speaker 2: share your deepest parenting shame, and myself and Stacey Hicks

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Speaker 2: rate you, but the worst parenting wins the most points,

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Speaker 2: so really you can't lose. And if you want more,

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Speaker 3: Enjoy Parents Anonymous.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to this Glorious Mess.

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Speaker 2: I'm Analy's Todd, one brazzled ring master trying to tame

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Speaker 2: a two ring circus of hormonal preteens and barely keeping

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Speaker 2: this shit show on the road.

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Speaker 3: OW that sounds like a fun time. And I'm Stacey Hicks.

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Speaker 3: I'm the deputy editor here at Mama Meha and I

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Speaker 3: was a type A perfectionist and a control freak until

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Speaker 4: I would like more drama for your intro next. Oh sorry, feedback?

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, welcome back to Parents Anonymous. It brought

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Speaker 2: to you by this glorious mess.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and Parents Anonymous is part church confessional, part game show.

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Speaker 3: So it's where you tell us a story and get

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Speaker 3: the guilt of your chest and we give you made

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Speaker 3: up points based on just how juicy the stories are.

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Speaker 3: And there's no real method to our point system. It's

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Speaker 3: just based on vibes. Vibe check. Yeah, it's just a

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Speaker 3: of my own confessions and scored an eleven out of ten.

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Speaker 3: So clearly we're doing something wrong with the rating system. Yes,

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Speaker 4: It was my highest scoring system yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're a tough marker.

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Speaker 3: And if you missed the episode, we'll pop it in

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Speaker 3: the show notes. I had to maguiver in a situation

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Speaker 3: the episode. But speaking about it in the office, it

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Speaker 3: obviously became big chatter here.

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Speaker 4: Any emojis ensued.

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Speaker 3: What of our colleagues said to me, Oh, yeah, we've

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know if we have me.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I haven't.

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Speaker 3: good that you released it, Yes, physically and metaphorically release

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just.

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Speaker 3: Waiting for you to reveal one of your secrets now.

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Speaker 2: Well, that will happen when you are least expecting it.

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Speaker 2: Stacy can't wait, and this show doesn't exist without your

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Speaker 2: guilty confession, So please leave us a voice note, or

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Speaker 2: if you want to be fully anonymous, let's see if

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Speaker 2: I've learnt to say, and we can protect your annomin note.

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Speaker 4: I can't stay an anominy to you.

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Speaker 2: Next week you can email us and we can read

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Speaker 2: it out for you and just have a look in

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Speaker 4: Notes for all of your confession options.

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Speaker 3: Yes, last week I submitted my confession fully anonymously. Not

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Speaker 3: even our producer Grace or an Alice knew that it

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Speaker 3: I regret nothing. It was great. Actually it's good.

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Speaker 2: Can't, you know, I'll pretend to cry as a defense mechanism.

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Speaker 4: It's like that. It's like just playing dead.

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Speaker 3: I can just imagine the beautiful little single tear trickling

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Speaker 3: Such a method, actress. I love it. So. On today's show,

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Speaker 3: this week. The names of them are. Bribery is always

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Speaker 2: My son was getting really nervous in soccer, and it

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Speaker 4: Literally buy you anything. Anything's in all capitals.

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Speaker 2: My wife was not super supportive of this, as it

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Speaker 3: This is an achievement plan.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have to do this in work, we're measured

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Speaker 2: This is a realistic thing that we all have to

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Speaker 2: This is gold medals. They're not just giving out participation medals.

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Speaker 2: And I would argue that this is rewarding this soccer

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Speaker 3: I love it. I am concerned by the use of

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Speaker 3: would love to know what he ended up picking.

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Speaker 4: Same like you know, I'm just thinking a.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So for that, I think this is great. And

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Speaker 2: I think this is the only the only thing here

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Speaker 4: Win I'm going to go eight soccer balls out of ten.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair. This is just positive reinforcement.

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Speaker 3: This is like, you know, every time the dog goes outside,

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Speaker 4: This is just that toilet training for soccer.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, love it, love it. I will give you

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Speaker 4: I love it all right.

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Speaker 3: with fight. You went after right.

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Speaker 3: It was first time having the whole house to myself.

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Speaker 3: My parents were away. It was four of my mates

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Speaker 4: A waste of emergency.

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Speaker 2: It's just like we actually had one of our confessions

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Speaker 2: show notes where someone actually staged a breaking into situation

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Speaker 2: to their children to see if they would call the police,

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Speaker 2: and they did. Now, that is a waste of time.

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Speaker 2: This is just probably a bit of over zealousy, first

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Speaker 4: You know what you could do.

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Speaker 2: There's great phone numbers you can call before you call

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Speaker 2: the ambulance, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Sure, but the worst thing would be if you didn't

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Speaker 3: call and then something horrible was happening. So I feel

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Speaker 2: Know, and when it comes to health and safety, it's

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Speaker 2: better just to just call.

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Speaker 4: So I think, you know.

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Speaker 2: I just think you didn't waste their time. But now

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you six ambulance as well.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 4: I think if this person or anyone.

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Speaker 3: Are you guiding this?

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Speaker 4: Are you that we can both guide week and birth guy?

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Speaker 2: Got one more dilemma to bring it homestays coming up

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Speaker 2: after the All right, stay's last dilemma for today? Am

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Speaker 3: Bring it on?

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Speaker 2: I've been reading some friends Facebook posts recently about their kids,

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Speaker 2: As a working mum, I've chosen to pursue a career

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Speaker 4: First of all, we just need to caveat.

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Speaker 2: We are not opening the working and non working mother debate.

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Speaker 2: We are not kicking that can because we are all

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Speaker 4: And I have thoughts.

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Speaker 3: As much as you love your child. They're not on

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Speaker 3: performative insufferable. Insufferable is the right word. We all love them.

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Speaker 4: Definitely, what are you thinking? What are these thoughts? Well,

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Speaker 2: And I think it's actually really healthy to have things

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Speaker 4: I don't think you're alone. And also I think if

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Speaker 2: Do feel like that about the kids, that's okay as well.

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Speaker 4: Like I think good on you.

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Speaker 2: Like either way, if you feel like that, good and

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Speaker 3: Or we have an email for our daughter, so anytime

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Speaker 3: I just I think if you're writing that your childe

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Speaker 4: Never seen you so hard.

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Speaker 3: I'm so harsh today.

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Speaker 4: Very feisty, and I'm here I love it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the judging, I fully support you. I agree

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Speaker 3: they need to stop. It's annoying.

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Speaker 2: Oh I mean I'm not quite as harsh as you today,

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Speaker 2: bad that they don't feel this way. So that's in

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Speaker 2: for your children. But they didn't write into us. It

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Speaker 2: fine that you don't feel this way. So for that,

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Speaker 2: I'm giving you eight love journals out of ten.

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Speaker 3: I'm giving you nine Facebook posts out of ten. Good

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Speaker 3: on you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, reflecting on the three confessions from the day,

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Speaker 2: bribery is always on the cards, although we did declare

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Speaker 2: that wasn't bribery, that was recognition and reward. Confession two

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Speaker 2: you didn't waste emergency services time? And Confession three? Am

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Speaker 2: I missing something? No, you're not missing something. But out

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Speaker 2: of the three confessions, I can't even remember the scores

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Speaker 2: now we went.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, we are so rogue with our scores.

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Speaker 2: I really feel like Confession one, which we landed, was

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Speaker 3: No, I think you're just a legend and you just

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Speaker 3: know how to parent correctly.

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Speaker 2: It was a recognition and reward system. They will set

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're our winner. Confession No one.

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Speaker 4: Feshion one, non bribery is always on the cards.

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Speaker 3: If you've got a confession, we would love to hear

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Speaker 3: from you. Please send us your secret shames. We can't

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Speaker 3: get enough of them. All the details are in the

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Speaker 3: show notes.

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Speaker 4: See you next time, See you next time.

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