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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to you beauty, the daily podcast for

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Speaker 1: My name is Lee Candell. My name is Kelly mccaren.

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Speaker 1: How are you, my friend, Kelly mccaron.

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Speaker 3: And today we are talking about the most controversial things

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Speaker 3: we've ever done to our skin. But first, Yasmin has asked, Hi, ladies,

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Speaker 3: I've always wanted to know if you both feel the

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Speaker 3: financial pressure to keep up with beauty trends and the

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Speaker 3: high cost of certain products and treatments. Your jobs must

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Speaker 3: of tweens, I'm feeling it. There is always a cool

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Speaker 1: This is a good question.

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Speaker 2: I definitely don't feel pressure because I'm forty two and

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Speaker 2: make my own decisions. And we'll get to the whole

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Speaker 2: tween and younger women in a moment. I mean, Kelly

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Speaker 2: and I are very lucky in that we have sent

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Speaker 2: I was in this job. For me, it's a tax deduction.

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Speaker 2: What I learned not all that long ago, is a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go to Sephora. Is a tax you

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Speaker 2: And there's a really fantastic article online by Day's Beauty

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Speaker 3: For tweens that yeah, stuff that they might actually need,

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Speaker 2: feel pressure. But am I addicted? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Heather has written in she has asked Kelly and Lee,

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Speaker 3: I want to know what are some of the most

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Speaker 3: what makes you cringe?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, how long you got?

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Speaker 2: About ten fifteen years ago, there was a very expensive

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Speaker 2: That you used trice a day and it would clean

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Speaker 2: Oh no, that's one of mine. What about you?

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Speaker 1: Do they still exist?

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Speaker 2: Not that I know of, because we all know about

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Speaker 3: So I have never gotten free injectible since. No, sometimes

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Speaker 2: I've spoken about this before. It was from stimulants because

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Speaker 1: What else you got? Funny enough about breakouts?

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Speaker 3: Actually, I remember being overseas and I had one of

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Speaker 3: I broke out so badly that I had a razor.

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Speaker 1: And I tried to cut the pimples off my face.

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Speaker 2: them out. Yes, you cut them open, Yes I did.

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Speaker 2: So don't try either of those things at home. Don't

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Speaker 2: try those at home. One of mine is picking and

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Speaker 2: then look, I still do pick and squeeze, but I'd

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Speaker 2: to save you, and then I'd pick again.

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Speaker 1: And then you'd pick it off.

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Speaker 3: Microdermabrasion while I had an acne breakout, I mean, Unlessen

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Speaker 2: Stepped that, that's not your problem. I don't like microderm

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Speaker 1: Just disasters. Yeah, because I've got loads more too.

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Speaker 2: Moral of the story is beauty experts do plenty of

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Speaker 2: the break kel we are almost at the end of winter.

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Speaker 2: But I've got what little winter hack to help us through.

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Speaker 1: I love this.

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Speaker 3: What a hack you makeup hacks?

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Speaker 2: I have this tip that works for mascara but also

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Speaker 1: It was so set like, it was so solidified.

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Speaker 2: So just stick your lip balm in your bra down

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Speaker 1: That is such a good heart body heat.

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Speaker 2: Does amazing things. Yeah, you can even do it with

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Speaker 1: Oh warmth.

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Speaker 3: when you're like sniffing and you've got like snot.

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Speaker 3: So you know those like little vick sniffy things. It's

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Speaker 3: kind of like this tiiny It looks like a white tampon. Yes,

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Speaker 3: my makeup draw and in my handbag, and so you

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Speaker 3: sniff that and it just kind of like helps yes, and.

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Speaker 2: It's way better each no and go yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: But it's not actually like a nasal spray or anything.

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Speaker 1: So it's not something for a cold. No, it's not medical.

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Speaker 1: It's just like clearing. It's just clearing. And it stops

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Speaker 1: that tap tap tap drippy drippiness while you do yes

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Speaker 1: or just like yeah all the time. Oh, that's so clever.

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Speaker 1: I needed that about ten minutes ago.

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Speaker 2: Corey.

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Speaker 1: Apologies, And is that why you're doing your makeup? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: No, because when I got here to the office this morning,

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Speaker 2: I need a big blue yeah exactly. Look at us

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Speaker 2: with the winter warm and nose dripping tips. And on

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Speaker 2: that note, that's all we have time for today.

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Speaker 1: Ubis.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to us, and remember

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Speaker 2: The producer of You Beauty is Cassie Merritt, with audio

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Speaker 2: production by Lou Hill, and we will see you on Friday,

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Speaker 2: Bye bye,