1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:16,154 Speaker 1: You're listening to a mum and mea podcast. Makeup is 2 00:00:16,194 --> 00:00:17,874 Speaker 1: my therapy in love. 3 00:00:18,154 --> 00:00:20,913 Speaker 2: I'm obsess and I don't even feel guilty about it. 4 00:00:24,594 --> 00:00:27,794 Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to you beauty. This is the podcast 5 00:00:27,874 --> 00:00:32,114 Speaker 3: for your face. I'm Kelly McCarran and welcome to the formula. 6 00:00:32,153 --> 00:00:36,034 Speaker 3: Every single week I get a beauty VIP in the 7 00:00:36,153 --> 00:00:38,994 Speaker 3: chair opposite me so I can deep dive into everything 8 00:00:39,114 --> 00:00:41,193 Speaker 3: in their beauty cabinet and ubis. 9 00:00:41,473 --> 00:00:42,754 Speaker 1: Today you are in. 10 00:00:42,634 --> 00:00:46,234 Speaker 3: For a red hot treat because I've got my naughty 11 00:00:46,314 --> 00:00:48,434 Speaker 3: sister back in the hot seat. 12 00:00:48,994 --> 00:00:54,313 Speaker 2: Welcome back erin I'm back. We are known as the 13 00:00:54,354 --> 00:00:54,954 Speaker 2: Naughty Sisters. 14 00:00:55,034 --> 00:00:56,514 Speaker 1: We are known as the Naughty Sisters. 15 00:00:56,594 --> 00:00:57,353 Speaker 2: If you can be here. 16 00:00:57,674 --> 00:00:59,794 Speaker 3: If we are a new UBI, it's because we just 17 00:00:59,794 --> 00:01:01,594 Speaker 3: get a little bit silly, but we will try to 18 00:01:01,674 --> 00:01:05,354 Speaker 3: keep it on track today, so as well, if you're 19 00:01:05,434 --> 00:01:06,994 Speaker 3: new and you missed it. Aaron is one of our 20 00:01:07,114 --> 00:01:10,114 Speaker 3: OG Lifestyle and beauty editors and she's just come back 21 00:01:10,154 --> 00:01:11,114 Speaker 3: from maternity leave. 22 00:01:11,154 --> 00:01:12,754 Speaker 1: Her little boy has just turned one. 23 00:01:13,354 --> 00:01:16,314 Speaker 3: She is still breastfeeding, so we will keep an eye 24 00:01:16,354 --> 00:01:20,554 Speaker 3: on the teeths make sure that they don't start like Lincoln. Yeah, 25 00:01:20,594 --> 00:01:23,154 Speaker 3: but today we're going to chat about pregnancy and how 26 00:01:23,314 --> 00:01:27,034 Speaker 3: having a baby has impacted her skincare routine and how 27 00:01:27,074 --> 00:01:29,674 Speaker 3: on earth she's juggling her morning routine as a new 28 00:01:29,754 --> 00:01:35,954 Speaker 3: mum returning to the office. Erin, let's get straight into it. 29 00:01:35,954 --> 00:01:37,234 Speaker 1: It's so good to have you back. 30 00:01:37,594 --> 00:01:39,914 Speaker 2: It's so good to be Yeah. 31 00:01:39,554 --> 00:01:47,274 Speaker 3: You are such beautiful skilled But how for newer listeners 32 00:01:47,314 --> 00:01:49,634 Speaker 3: of the show, can you please talk to us a 33 00:01:49,634 --> 00:01:52,154 Speaker 3: bit about what you do here at Mumma Mia, what 34 00:01:52,194 --> 00:01:54,434 Speaker 3: your role was and now what it is as you 35 00:01:54,634 --> 00:01:55,274 Speaker 3: have come back. 36 00:01:55,434 --> 00:01:57,954 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's kind of similar to what it was before. 37 00:01:58,474 --> 00:01:59,874 Speaker 4: I mean, I like to think I've got one of 38 00:01:59,914 --> 00:02:02,634 Speaker 4: the best jobs here. To be honest, I really do. 39 00:02:02,874 --> 00:02:08,994 Speaker 2: Like beauty editor, I'm like me, if you're listening, I 40 00:02:08,994 --> 00:02:09,954 Speaker 2: have the best job. 41 00:02:11,754 --> 00:02:14,474 Speaker 4: I'm trialing products every day, you know, like some of 42 00:02:14,514 --> 00:02:17,394 Speaker 4: the new launchers, I get to interview some really cool 43 00:02:17,434 --> 00:02:22,074 Speaker 4: experts dermatologists, cosmetic surgeons, and then kind of like debunk 44 00:02:22,114 --> 00:02:25,394 Speaker 4: everything and get rid of all of the like science 45 00:02:25,474 --> 00:02:27,434 Speaker 4: dragon and get it up on the mom. 46 00:02:27,314 --> 00:02:29,714 Speaker 2: And Mer website. A little bit of a guinea pig, 47 00:02:29,754 --> 00:02:30,073 Speaker 2: I think. 48 00:02:30,074 --> 00:02:32,394 Speaker 4: Here, Oh, that's a really good way to put it. 49 00:02:32,674 --> 00:02:34,834 Speaker 4: It's a very labrat, but guinea pig sounds cure. 50 00:02:34,874 --> 00:02:36,594 Speaker 1: That's nice and a very glowing one. 51 00:02:36,914 --> 00:02:37,954 Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend. 52 00:02:38,874 --> 00:02:41,474 Speaker 3: So you mentioned that you've got a really great job. 53 00:02:41,514 --> 00:02:44,194 Speaker 3: One of the best parts of your job is probably 54 00:02:44,194 --> 00:02:47,434 Speaker 3: that you get sent lots and lots of goodies all 55 00:02:47,434 --> 00:02:49,754 Speaker 3: of the gets access to the best of the best 56 00:02:49,794 --> 00:02:52,874 Speaker 3: and like what's hot, what's new. But obviously while you're 57 00:02:52,914 --> 00:02:56,474 Speaker 3: on maternity leave, you wouldn't have gotten It was so sad. 58 00:02:56,554 --> 00:02:57,234 Speaker 1: It was a dire. 59 00:02:57,434 --> 00:02:59,594 Speaker 2: It was dire. We liked scrape in the bottom of 60 00:02:59,634 --> 00:03:01,434 Speaker 2: the box, being like, what else do we have in here? 61 00:03:01,554 --> 00:03:05,554 Speaker 1: Must I go out and purchase things? Heaven forbid? 62 00:03:05,994 --> 00:03:09,154 Speaker 3: What were the things that you purchased as a regular 63 00:03:09,234 --> 00:03:11,913 Speaker 3: consumer going about your day to day life. 64 00:03:12,074 --> 00:03:14,234 Speaker 4: Yep, okay, so I've got to spendy Anna sav. 65 00:03:14,234 --> 00:03:17,114 Speaker 3: One well say, she's well tryed everyone, so she has 66 00:03:17,154 --> 00:03:18,594 Speaker 3: to go into that for me. 67 00:03:19,114 --> 00:03:21,554 Speaker 4: I mean, as you said, like, when it comes to 68 00:03:21,594 --> 00:03:23,674 Speaker 4: actually buying something, you want to make. 69 00:03:23,594 --> 00:03:27,474 Speaker 2: Sure that it's like good stuff. If you're paying. 70 00:03:27,354 --> 00:03:30,514 Speaker 4: Your own you're paying like a fair price for it 71 00:03:30,554 --> 00:03:30,994 Speaker 4: as well. 72 00:03:31,674 --> 00:03:33,674 Speaker 2: I think Serum's like over the one hundred dollar mic. 73 00:03:33,714 --> 00:03:35,914 Speaker 4: I really want to obviously make sure they're like good, 74 00:03:36,074 --> 00:03:39,274 Speaker 4: but I ended up getting the skin cuticles blemish and 75 00:03:39,394 --> 00:03:40,874 Speaker 4: age defend serum. 76 00:03:41,034 --> 00:03:42,674 Speaker 1: Have you tried that maybe? 77 00:03:43,154 --> 00:03:45,234 Speaker 4: So it's in obviously the same range as like this 78 00:03:45,554 --> 00:03:47,954 Speaker 4: Sea ferulic serum. It's one hundred and fifty dollars, but 79 00:03:47,954 --> 00:03:49,754 Speaker 4: I got it for one hundred and twenty. I have 80 00:03:49,914 --> 00:03:53,834 Speaker 4: used that before and completely emptied it. But post pregnancy, 81 00:03:53,914 --> 00:03:57,314 Speaker 4: my skin I started getting hormonal breakouts and I was. 82 00:03:57,274 --> 00:03:59,674 Speaker 2: Like, host, I'll get into it later though. 83 00:03:59,874 --> 00:04:03,594 Speaker 4: Interesting, but this serum, I have used it before and 84 00:04:03,634 --> 00:04:06,634 Speaker 4: it is so good for helping like clear your skin. 85 00:04:07,154 --> 00:04:09,554 Speaker 4: It made me look nice and fresh. This is another 86 00:04:09,554 --> 00:04:12,554 Speaker 4: product that I ended up emptying completely. It's got like 87 00:04:12,634 --> 00:04:15,754 Speaker 4: salicylic acid in it, it's got glycolic acid, all the 88 00:04:15,794 --> 00:04:19,433 Speaker 4: gangs in there. And yeah, because I couldn't use retinol, 89 00:04:19,474 --> 00:04:22,434 Speaker 4: I wanted something that was still potent and would still 90 00:04:22,474 --> 00:04:23,433 Speaker 4: deliver the results. 91 00:04:23,474 --> 00:04:27,034 Speaker 3: And I'm guessing, like those are pretty harsh actives and 92 00:04:27,113 --> 00:04:30,074 Speaker 3: you have dry skin, so I'm assuming that there are 93 00:04:30,154 --> 00:04:33,034 Speaker 3: also ingredients in that serum that stopped your skin from 94 00:04:33,113 --> 00:04:34,553 Speaker 3: reacting and getting super dry. 95 00:04:34,714 --> 00:04:37,473 Speaker 4: I think I just made sure that I kind of 96 00:04:37,474 --> 00:04:39,273 Speaker 4: worked my way up to it, like I used it 97 00:04:39,313 --> 00:04:41,354 Speaker 4: a couple of times a week, and then I at 98 00:04:41,354 --> 00:04:42,513 Speaker 4: the end of the day, I was using it like 99 00:04:42,553 --> 00:04:45,553 Speaker 4: every day, and it was fine for my skin, because yeah, 100 00:04:45,553 --> 00:04:47,433 Speaker 4: I have sensitive skin. But I made sure I used 101 00:04:47,474 --> 00:04:50,834 Speaker 4: like a really good moisturize and everything like that afterwards. 102 00:04:50,313 --> 00:04:52,313 Speaker 1: And it clearly worked because I cannot see one spot. 103 00:04:52,633 --> 00:04:55,354 Speaker 2: I've got emptied it again. 104 00:04:55,393 --> 00:04:57,074 Speaker 4: I'm going to get another one because it was the 105 00:04:57,154 --> 00:05:01,794 Speaker 4: only thing that really helped with my breakouts. Another product, though, 106 00:05:01,834 --> 00:05:04,274 Speaker 4: that I bought was I think you've tried this before. 107 00:05:04,313 --> 00:05:08,394 Speaker 4: It's called the rock eyebarm. It's like a little stick 108 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:11,513 Speaker 4: to this. It's like a little orange stick. 109 00:05:11,553 --> 00:05:15,074 Speaker 3: It looks like it's definitely ringing your memory. 110 00:05:15,113 --> 00:05:18,193 Speaker 4: It's got vitamin C and peptides in it. I never 111 00:05:18,313 --> 00:05:21,353 Speaker 4: use I cream, Like do use I cream? Yes, okay, 112 00:05:21,393 --> 00:05:23,193 Speaker 4: well I never use I cream. I always just bring 113 00:05:23,234 --> 00:05:25,394 Speaker 4: my serums like right under my eye a little bit, 114 00:05:26,594 --> 00:05:31,073 Speaker 4: the whole extra thing. But I like the step you do. 115 00:05:31,633 --> 00:05:35,113 Speaker 4: I don't want an extra do things, but I like 116 00:05:35,234 --> 00:05:36,313 Speaker 4: to do things to my face. 117 00:05:36,834 --> 00:05:40,633 Speaker 2: But my bag's obviously coming out strong. 118 00:05:40,753 --> 00:05:44,433 Speaker 4: My baby don't sleep, he does not sleep kind So 119 00:05:44,873 --> 00:05:48,193 Speaker 4: I was looking for a good under eye product and 120 00:05:48,313 --> 00:05:51,874 Speaker 4: a recommendation was in the ub D Facebook group for 121 00:05:51,953 --> 00:05:54,514 Speaker 4: this iebarm and I got it at Chemists way House and. 122 00:05:54,474 --> 00:05:57,154 Speaker 2: I really like it. I feel like it helps brighten. 123 00:05:57,354 --> 00:05:59,633 Speaker 4: It's obviously not going to fix my dark underreyes, but 124 00:05:59,674 --> 00:06:03,873 Speaker 4: it definitely brightens smooths makes everything look a little bit 125 00:06:03,873 --> 00:06:04,313 Speaker 4: more alive. 126 00:06:04,393 --> 00:06:04,993 Speaker 2: So I'm loving that. 127 00:06:05,034 --> 00:06:07,113 Speaker 1: And it's a little stick which makes it so easy, 128 00:06:07,274 --> 00:06:07,753 Speaker 1: so easy. 129 00:06:08,034 --> 00:06:11,633 Speaker 3: Okay, So now that you're back in the editor's chair, 130 00:06:11,873 --> 00:06:14,273 Speaker 3: what's the first empty you've been dying to give a 131 00:06:14,313 --> 00:06:14,754 Speaker 3: review on. 132 00:06:14,993 --> 00:06:16,394 Speaker 2: I have a lot of empties. 133 00:06:16,594 --> 00:06:18,674 Speaker 4: I actually was taking pictures of all my empties. I 134 00:06:18,674 --> 00:06:22,073 Speaker 4: was like, I went hard on the skincare front. I 135 00:06:22,113 --> 00:06:26,314 Speaker 4: finally got to the bottom of the Emma Luisium. It's 136 00:06:26,354 --> 00:06:29,993 Speaker 4: like the supernatural sleeping mask. I think it's cold, Oh 137 00:06:30,034 --> 00:06:33,993 Speaker 4: it's beautiful, so nice. So I actually got that like 138 00:06:34,073 --> 00:06:36,074 Speaker 4: while I was pregnant, so I've been using it for 139 00:06:36,113 --> 00:06:37,714 Speaker 4: a little while, but I really gave it a rock 140 00:06:37,753 --> 00:06:41,033 Speaker 4: hard go during that newborn phase when I was in 141 00:06:41,073 --> 00:06:43,794 Speaker 4: the trenches there just like and honestly, with just that 142 00:06:43,834 --> 00:06:47,633 Speaker 4: one product that made my skin feel really nice and 143 00:06:47,714 --> 00:06:49,594 Speaker 4: hydrated and plump. You know, when you wake up the 144 00:06:49,633 --> 00:06:52,794 Speaker 4: next morning after you've you know, put on an overnight mask, and. 145 00:06:52,714 --> 00:06:54,594 Speaker 1: You're like that, actually see the difference. 146 00:06:54,714 --> 00:06:56,314 Speaker 4: Like I didn't even have to Like some mornings, I 147 00:06:56,393 --> 00:06:57,674 Speaker 4: was like, I don't even have to wash my face. 148 00:06:57,674 --> 00:07:00,674 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna leave it looks great. 149 00:07:01,993 --> 00:07:06,514 Speaker 3: Sometimes a feat and I also went through the is 150 00:07:06,553 --> 00:07:07,993 Speaker 3: iture on nature. 151 00:07:08,274 --> 00:07:12,474 Speaker 4: You know, the barrier, the little barrier, the bound serum, 152 00:07:12,674 --> 00:07:13,314 Speaker 4: the purple one. 153 00:07:13,354 --> 00:07:16,594 Speaker 2: It's like an oil oil and serum kind of texture. 154 00:07:16,834 --> 00:07:18,954 Speaker 1: Okay, clearly you weren't listening. 155 00:07:18,594 --> 00:07:21,793 Speaker 3: To your beauty on maternity leave, because I have talked 156 00:07:21,834 --> 00:07:22,914 Speaker 3: about that product. 157 00:07:23,234 --> 00:07:25,434 Speaker 1: It was one of my top products two years ago. 158 00:07:25,674 --> 00:07:28,554 Speaker 2: Oh really two years ago. I main late coming in late. 159 00:07:28,674 --> 00:07:32,154 Speaker 3: Sorry, guys, it's so good. It's so good that you 160 00:07:32,154 --> 00:07:34,273 Speaker 3: would love it. Actually, it's so nice. 161 00:07:34,514 --> 00:07:37,474 Speaker 4: It's really yeah, it's really great for dry skin. Your 162 00:07:37,554 --> 00:07:38,194 Speaker 4: dry skin too. 163 00:07:38,234 --> 00:07:40,434 Speaker 2: Write that's why I asks. 164 00:07:40,714 --> 00:07:41,394 Speaker 5: Yeah. 165 00:07:41,514 --> 00:07:44,314 Speaker 4: So another one that I finished was the Fresh Lotus 166 00:07:44,594 --> 00:07:47,034 Speaker 4: Youth Preserve. Sorry, that's a bit of a mouthful. It's 167 00:07:47,074 --> 00:07:49,434 Speaker 4: like that little navy bottle from Fresh Beauty. 168 00:07:49,474 --> 00:07:50,834 Speaker 1: It's so good and it smells so. 169 00:07:50,874 --> 00:07:51,714 Speaker 2: It smells so good. 170 00:07:51,754 --> 00:07:54,034 Speaker 4: I'm usually not one for like a florally scent, but 171 00:07:54,034 --> 00:07:58,033 Speaker 4: it's really subtle, it's very nice, and so obviously I 172 00:07:58,074 --> 00:08:01,434 Speaker 4: wasn't using retinol. I mean, it's not going to be 173 00:08:01,474 --> 00:08:03,074 Speaker 4: the same as retinol, but I feel like it was 174 00:08:03,114 --> 00:08:07,194 Speaker 4: really good for exfoliating my skin and helping it, you know, 175 00:08:07,514 --> 00:08:10,474 Speaker 4: get back in a little bit better shape health. 176 00:08:11,114 --> 00:08:13,754 Speaker 3: What about treatments? Did you get any treatments while you're 177 00:08:13,754 --> 00:08:15,634 Speaker 3: on Matt leave. I know it's like a holiday, so. 178 00:08:16,034 --> 00:08:17,194 Speaker 5: It's not a holiday. 179 00:08:18,354 --> 00:08:21,074 Speaker 1: Did you get lots of treatments on your holiday? 180 00:08:21,754 --> 00:08:23,233 Speaker 2: What did you get up? Did you go away? 181 00:08:23,434 --> 00:08:26,194 Speaker 1: Like what were you doing all of the time a 182 00:08:26,194 --> 00:08:27,634 Speaker 1: whole year? I? 183 00:08:28,154 --> 00:08:30,833 Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't really go to hardcore and the treatments 184 00:08:30,874 --> 00:08:34,034 Speaker 4: I had a few, like fluffy, nice ones, nice ones 185 00:08:34,394 --> 00:08:37,114 Speaker 4: I went to, like the parlor room and you know, 186 00:08:37,154 --> 00:08:40,314 Speaker 4: finishing with like a nice led but nothing too hardcore. 187 00:08:40,594 --> 00:08:43,554 Speaker 4: I feel like, when obviously you're like just kind of 188 00:08:43,714 --> 00:08:47,554 Speaker 4: entering motherhood or just any mum in general, you just 189 00:08:47,594 --> 00:08:50,874 Speaker 4: want forty five minutes in a room with someone not 190 00:08:51,274 --> 00:08:55,434 Speaker 4: like just touching your face every other bit of your body. 191 00:08:55,514 --> 00:08:56,674 Speaker 1: I completely agree. 192 00:08:56,714 --> 00:08:59,634 Speaker 3: Like I am such an advocate for facials that actually 193 00:08:59,634 --> 00:09:02,914 Speaker 3: do something, but when you are an new mom and 194 00:09:02,954 --> 00:09:05,834 Speaker 3: you've basically been slapped in the face by becoming a 195 00:09:05,834 --> 00:09:09,994 Speaker 3: new mom. That little moment just for you just have 196 00:09:10,074 --> 00:09:12,714 Speaker 3: someone like pampering you and rubbing your skin, and it 197 00:09:12,754 --> 00:09:15,354 Speaker 3: does make you look and feel a lot better because 198 00:09:15,354 --> 00:09:18,474 Speaker 3: it just brings a lot of circulation back into your 199 00:09:18,554 --> 00:09:20,634 Speaker 3: face and you will look a lot just. 200 00:09:20,594 --> 00:09:24,274 Speaker 4: A whole spiritual experience just being like, Yep, I'm just 201 00:09:24,314 --> 00:09:26,034 Speaker 4: going to creep into this dark room and I think 202 00:09:26,034 --> 00:09:26,394 Speaker 4: it's going. 203 00:09:26,274 --> 00:09:27,034 Speaker 1: To get nice. 204 00:09:27,114 --> 00:09:29,594 Speaker 3: You generally need more than one. With a hardcore treatment, 205 00:09:29,674 --> 00:09:31,594 Speaker 3: you can't really commit. You don't know when you're going 206 00:09:31,674 --> 00:09:32,634 Speaker 3: to be able to slip it in. 207 00:09:32,834 --> 00:09:34,434 Speaker 2: So yeah, so that was me. 208 00:09:34,554 --> 00:09:37,194 Speaker 1: Didn't go to hardcore, but nice treatment. 209 00:09:37,274 --> 00:09:39,713 Speaker 4: So keep you posted on what's next for me and 210 00:09:39,754 --> 00:09:41,554 Speaker 4: the hardcore treatment from. 211 00:09:41,154 --> 00:09:43,914 Speaker 3: All Right, after the break, we're going to deep dive 212 00:09:44,034 --> 00:09:47,554 Speaker 3: into what changed about Erin's skincare routine while she was 213 00:09:47,554 --> 00:09:51,754 Speaker 3: pregnant and then postparton. Because old listeners, new listeners, you 214 00:09:51,914 --> 00:09:55,634 Speaker 3: all like Erin is the coin of skincare, So we're 215 00:09:55,674 --> 00:09:57,874 Speaker 3: going to deep dive into what has changed and what 216 00:09:57,954 --> 00:10:06,114 Speaker 3: hasn't all. Right, Erin, first things first, before we get 217 00:10:06,114 --> 00:10:10,034 Speaker 3: into your routine, talk to us about the acne that 218 00:10:10,154 --> 00:10:13,634 Speaker 3: came after the birth, because some women find that they 219 00:10:13,674 --> 00:10:18,754 Speaker 3: get the hormonal fluctuations during pregnancy and same thing with malasma, 220 00:10:19,274 --> 00:10:21,514 Speaker 3: but not so much postpartum. 221 00:10:22,074 --> 00:10:28,114 Speaker 4: I totally lucked out, Like I had no malasma, no pigmentation, 222 00:10:28,234 --> 00:10:31,114 Speaker 4: like any kind of issues during pregnancy. My skin was 223 00:10:31,114 --> 00:10:33,233 Speaker 4: actually the best it's ever been during pregnancy. 224 00:10:33,394 --> 00:10:34,634 Speaker 1: Well you just like, did you? 225 00:10:34,674 --> 00:10:36,434 Speaker 2: I was. I got like not one pimple. 226 00:10:36,714 --> 00:10:39,994 Speaker 4: And also I think because I was so like plump 227 00:10:40,034 --> 00:10:44,754 Speaker 4: and happy, skin was just like my fine lines, everything 228 00:10:44,754 --> 00:10:47,874 Speaker 4: looked a little bit softer and not as hectic, and. 229 00:10:47,794 --> 00:10:50,474 Speaker 1: That makes sense. Though I had the kid. 230 00:10:50,914 --> 00:10:55,074 Speaker 4: And then the hormonal acne came back, had that like 231 00:10:55,194 --> 00:10:57,354 Speaker 4: right around my chin and everything like that, And that's 232 00:10:57,354 --> 00:11:01,154 Speaker 4: why I've kind of pivoted in my approach. 233 00:11:01,194 --> 00:11:03,634 Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah, I haven't. 234 00:11:03,394 --> 00:11:07,954 Speaker 3: Actually heard of that before though, of someone experiencing it afterwards. 235 00:11:08,034 --> 00:11:09,474 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, so, I think, I. 236 00:11:09,634 --> 00:11:11,674 Speaker 3: And then, yeah, annoying because you still can't really do 237 00:11:11,794 --> 00:11:15,274 Speaker 3: much about it in terms of hectic treatments. You know, 238 00:11:15,314 --> 00:11:19,953 Speaker 3: we're going to be effective quickly. So there are skin 239 00:11:19,954 --> 00:11:22,474 Speaker 3: care products, mainly just retinol that you can't use when 240 00:11:22,474 --> 00:11:26,354 Speaker 3: you're pregnant and breastfeeding. So what are you dying to 241 00:11:26,394 --> 00:11:28,714 Speaker 3: add back into your routine and what sort of swaps 242 00:11:28,754 --> 00:11:31,274 Speaker 3: did you make when you first found out that you 243 00:11:31,354 --> 00:11:31,914 Speaker 3: were pregnant. 244 00:11:31,994 --> 00:11:34,074 Speaker 4: I'm going to be honest, like it was basically just 245 00:11:34,154 --> 00:11:37,434 Speaker 4: retinal that I put on the bench. So obviously retinal, 246 00:11:37,594 --> 00:11:40,034 Speaker 4: hands down. I cannot wait to get back into retinal. 247 00:11:40,474 --> 00:11:42,114 Speaker 4: It's like the gold standard ingredient. 248 00:11:42,154 --> 00:11:44,954 Speaker 1: We all know that, so on's on your shelf. 249 00:11:45,234 --> 00:11:47,994 Speaker 4: Once I've stopped breastfeeding and all that kind of stuff, 250 00:11:47,994 --> 00:11:51,394 Speaker 4: I'm going to get into the French retinal that a 251 00:11:51,834 --> 00:11:52,554 Speaker 4: three to one three. 252 00:11:53,434 --> 00:11:54,794 Speaker 2: I've been waiting to try this forever. 253 00:11:54,954 --> 00:11:55,474 Speaker 1: It's so good. 254 00:11:55,474 --> 00:11:57,194 Speaker 4: I've got a tube of it at home. Cannot wait 255 00:11:57,234 --> 00:11:59,434 Speaker 4: to get into it. And it's not too spendy. 256 00:11:59,114 --> 00:12:00,953 Speaker 1: As well, so it's also a big tube. 257 00:12:01,074 --> 00:12:02,194 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good size. 258 00:12:02,314 --> 00:12:05,754 Speaker 3: We always focus a lot on the face and the 259 00:12:05,794 --> 00:12:07,994 Speaker 3: way that our skin might change our face, but you 260 00:12:08,074 --> 00:12:11,434 Speaker 3: were lucky enough not to get much happening until after 261 00:12:11,474 --> 00:12:15,154 Speaker 3: the baby. After what about your skin on your body 262 00:12:15,194 --> 00:12:17,834 Speaker 3: and your hair, Like, did anything change in either of 263 00:12:17,874 --> 00:12:19,074 Speaker 3: those areas? 264 00:12:20,394 --> 00:12:23,194 Speaker 4: I think with my body, like before pregnancy, my body 265 00:12:23,274 --> 00:12:27,794 Speaker 4: was like, hey give me some hydrit shut I'm too 266 00:12:27,834 --> 00:12:31,554 Speaker 4: busy up here, I know, literally, But then once I 267 00:12:31,594 --> 00:12:33,674 Speaker 4: was pregnant, I was like, I need to kind of 268 00:12:33,754 --> 00:12:37,594 Speaker 4: up my body care game. I did get products from 269 00:12:37,674 --> 00:12:40,194 Speaker 4: Lee from Brillo, she gave me the oil and the butter, 270 00:12:40,674 --> 00:12:43,194 Speaker 4: and then before I had the baby, I got I 271 00:12:43,394 --> 00:12:47,434 Speaker 4: bought the Postpartum Trio, which has like the wash, it 272 00:12:47,474 --> 00:12:50,994 Speaker 4: has the lip balm, and I think it's as well. 273 00:12:51,434 --> 00:12:52,714 Speaker 2: So they're really beautiful. 274 00:12:52,714 --> 00:12:57,634 Speaker 4: And I just lived in Brillow products pregnancy post pregnancy. 275 00:12:57,754 --> 00:13:01,434 Speaker 2: It just made me feel good. It's so good. 276 00:13:01,514 --> 00:13:05,154 Speaker 3: Yeah, for anyone that doesn't know, our co host Lee 277 00:13:05,634 --> 00:13:09,034 Speaker 3: owns Brillow Beauty and there's the two products. It's a 278 00:13:09,074 --> 00:13:12,234 Speaker 3: body wash and a body lotion to use for your 279 00:13:12,234 --> 00:13:16,834 Speaker 3: postpartum period, like and it is completely unfragranced. And I 280 00:13:16,994 --> 00:13:18,874 Speaker 3: was so silly. I mean, I just didn't know any better. 281 00:13:19,154 --> 00:13:21,754 Speaker 3: But when I was postpartum, I like baths. My first 282 00:13:21,754 --> 00:13:24,114 Speaker 3: shower I used like a Chanel body wash because I 283 00:13:24,154 --> 00:13:26,754 Speaker 3: wanted to really treat myself. But it's so heavily fragrance 284 00:13:26,794 --> 00:13:29,514 Speaker 3: and you're not supposed to use anything with fragrance so 285 00:13:29,554 --> 00:13:32,834 Speaker 3: that your baby can really connect with your natural odor. 286 00:13:33,114 --> 00:13:33,994 Speaker 1: Which I didn't know. 287 00:13:34,114 --> 00:13:37,154 Speaker 3: So these products are really good for that postpartum period 288 00:13:37,154 --> 00:13:40,474 Speaker 3: because it still feels like you're treating yourself really nicely 289 00:13:40,594 --> 00:13:43,994 Speaker 3: and taking care of yourself, but they're completely unfragrant. 290 00:13:44,074 --> 00:13:45,954 Speaker 4: Yeah, so your baby can still sniff you out. That 291 00:13:45,994 --> 00:13:47,394 Speaker 4: was one of the big things. Because I had so 292 00:13:47,514 --> 00:13:49,834 Speaker 4: many nice like, I had so many nice lots of 293 00:13:49,914 --> 00:13:51,713 Speaker 4: arm products as well. I was like, I'm going to 294 00:13:51,834 --> 00:13:52,794 Speaker 4: use that, and then I was. 295 00:13:52,754 --> 00:13:56,914 Speaker 3: Like, no, surely our children would rather almond subtle skin 296 00:13:57,474 --> 00:13:59,314 Speaker 3: bait of almond than our owner. 297 00:13:59,514 --> 00:13:59,714 Speaker 2: Yeah. 298 00:13:59,714 --> 00:14:01,474 Speaker 4: The products were beautiful, and it gave me that little 299 00:14:01,554 --> 00:14:04,514 Speaker 4: five minutes every night or whenever I use them, little 300 00:14:04,514 --> 00:14:07,434 Speaker 4: five minutes to myself or you actually kind of go 301 00:14:07,474 --> 00:14:09,994 Speaker 4: through your routine. But my hair, oh my gosh, my hair. 302 00:14:10,034 --> 00:14:13,154 Speaker 4: I've just started boulding basically after having the baby or 303 00:14:13,154 --> 00:14:14,834 Speaker 4: my like around my hairline. 304 00:14:14,874 --> 00:14:16,674 Speaker 1: It does stop, but it is very long. 305 00:14:16,754 --> 00:14:18,674 Speaker 3: It's very long and fix so it can cover up 306 00:14:19,194 --> 00:14:20,434 Speaker 3: my little bald patches. 307 00:14:20,754 --> 00:14:23,514 Speaker 1: Put it there and then it will start growing back. 308 00:14:23,554 --> 00:14:26,194 Speaker 3: And then when people ask you how old your child is, 309 00:14:26,274 --> 00:14:28,914 Speaker 3: you say this long and you show them your sprouts. 310 00:14:29,954 --> 00:14:33,074 Speaker 3: It's like a last thing we have, our little crowns 311 00:14:33,514 --> 00:14:36,114 Speaker 3: see Lenny's baby crowns this long. 312 00:14:36,154 --> 00:14:39,834 Speaker 5: Oh you've got yours, y old. 313 00:14:40,114 --> 00:14:40,714 Speaker 1: We all have them. 314 00:14:40,794 --> 00:14:43,634 Speaker 2: It's a universal thinker, You're not alone. 315 00:14:43,794 --> 00:14:45,674 Speaker 1: Did you get stretch marks? 316 00:14:45,674 --> 00:14:49,394 Speaker 3: Like, obviously no products prevents will treat them, but like 317 00:14:49,674 --> 00:14:52,794 Speaker 3: by regularly massaging beautiful products into your belly, you can 318 00:14:53,514 --> 00:14:56,154 Speaker 3: do a lot to help in the prevention because you're 319 00:14:56,234 --> 00:14:58,394 Speaker 3: keeping your skin nice and moisturized ftrated. 320 00:14:58,434 --> 00:15:01,394 Speaker 4: I actually didn't get stretch marks. But also it's a 321 00:15:01,394 --> 00:15:04,114 Speaker 4: genetic thing too, because my mom didn't get them either. 322 00:15:04,594 --> 00:15:06,794 Speaker 2: Can't really yells, We'll see. 323 00:15:06,874 --> 00:15:09,714 Speaker 4: I mean obviously that can change if I ever have 324 00:15:09,834 --> 00:15:10,754 Speaker 4: more kids. 325 00:15:11,554 --> 00:15:12,194 Speaker 2: Never say never. 326 00:15:12,394 --> 00:15:14,274 Speaker 1: But were you good? Like, well you weren't. 327 00:15:14,274 --> 00:15:17,314 Speaker 2: You were saying I was regularly using the oil. 328 00:15:17,674 --> 00:15:20,954 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh pre baby though, pre baby, no, I was 329 00:15:20,994 --> 00:15:24,234 Speaker 3: doing nothing. Okay, so maybe like having the baby, so 330 00:15:24,314 --> 00:15:27,874 Speaker 3: postparton my using the oil oil and during pregnancy I 331 00:15:27,914 --> 00:15:28,474 Speaker 3: was using the oil. 332 00:15:28,474 --> 00:15:31,674 Speaker 2: But before that, I was like, no products my body, 333 00:15:31,674 --> 00:15:32,634 Speaker 2: all right? Was that helped me? 334 00:15:32,874 --> 00:15:34,074 Speaker 1: But you were treating it all? 335 00:15:34,194 --> 00:15:34,794 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 336 00:15:34,874 --> 00:15:37,554 Speaker 4: Yeah, So while I was pregnant, I was using and yeah, 337 00:15:37,674 --> 00:15:38,994 Speaker 4: the Billow oil. 338 00:15:39,074 --> 00:15:40,474 Speaker 2: You can use that on your face as well. 339 00:15:40,754 --> 00:15:43,834 Speaker 4: I was just slathering myself in that, but yeah, really 340 00:15:43,834 --> 00:15:46,074 Speaker 4: good and hydrating beautiful. 341 00:15:46,394 --> 00:15:49,554 Speaker 3: All right, after the break, we're going to deep dive 342 00:15:49,634 --> 00:15:52,834 Speaker 3: into how on earth Aaron juggles being a new mum 343 00:15:53,354 --> 00:15:57,354 Speaker 3: with her fancy pancy beauty editor and lifestyle job, and 344 00:15:57,994 --> 00:16:00,034 Speaker 3: like how she's getting ready every day basically? 345 00:16:05,074 --> 00:16:06,994 Speaker 1: All right, how many days are you back in? 346 00:16:07,834 --> 00:16:11,034 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm only back three days, so okay at time. 347 00:16:11,194 --> 00:16:13,474 Speaker 3: Still that's a lot with a one year old. I 348 00:16:13,474 --> 00:16:16,754 Speaker 3: can imagine walk us through your routine on your days 349 00:16:16,754 --> 00:16:19,274 Speaker 3: where you're at home versus when you actually have to 350 00:16:19,274 --> 00:16:20,994 Speaker 3: go out, Like, how are they different? And how are 351 00:16:21,034 --> 00:16:24,394 Speaker 3: you juggling doing your skincare, getting some makeup on, doing 352 00:16:24,394 --> 00:16:26,034 Speaker 3: your hair, getting ready basically? 353 00:16:26,154 --> 00:16:28,474 Speaker 4: So this is I think my third week and I'm 354 00:16:28,514 --> 00:16:30,594 Speaker 4: still kind of getting into a proper routine. 355 00:16:30,674 --> 00:16:33,274 Speaker 2: But it is it's actually so hard. Why did no 356 00:16:33,274 --> 00:16:33,954 Speaker 2: one tell me this? 357 00:16:34,394 --> 00:16:37,314 Speaker 4: But I'm in the office three days and I'm bringing 358 00:16:37,314 --> 00:16:39,634 Speaker 4: my little baby in with me to take him to 359 00:16:39,714 --> 00:16:42,274 Speaker 4: daycare as well, so he'll go on the tram with 360 00:16:42,314 --> 00:16:43,994 Speaker 4: me or on the train or the bus or whatever 361 00:16:44,034 --> 00:16:46,954 Speaker 4: it is. But that also cuts out my public transport 362 00:16:46,954 --> 00:16:47,714 Speaker 4: makeup time. 363 00:16:47,634 --> 00:16:49,474 Speaker 1: And also the time just to have a breath. 364 00:16:49,594 --> 00:16:53,474 Speaker 4: Yes, before put my headphones in and just like you know, 365 00:16:53,594 --> 00:16:56,434 Speaker 4: chill out. But anyway, so in the mornings, I'm all 366 00:16:56,474 --> 00:16:58,674 Speaker 4: about like five minutes or bus like it needs to 367 00:16:58,714 --> 00:17:03,874 Speaker 4: be quick. For makeup, specifically, everything's cream products. I've like 368 00:17:04,033 --> 00:17:07,954 Speaker 4: really kind of just cut down on what I need 369 00:17:08,033 --> 00:17:08,194 Speaker 4: to do. 370 00:17:08,314 --> 00:17:08,793 Speaker 2: I guess. 371 00:17:09,194 --> 00:17:12,714 Speaker 4: So yeah, I've basically got a nice, little tight lineup 372 00:17:12,754 --> 00:17:16,074 Speaker 4: of cream products for makeup. I use like the Nase 373 00:17:16,154 --> 00:17:19,554 Speaker 4: eyeshadow sticks, which are great, the Mecha Max eyeshadow sticks, 374 00:17:19,554 --> 00:17:22,474 Speaker 4: stuff that you can easily blend with your fingers. I 375 00:17:22,514 --> 00:17:24,954 Speaker 4: don't use any brushes or anything like that anymore. I 376 00:17:25,074 --> 00:17:27,474 Speaker 4: use the I'm like, I don't use any of that anymore. 377 00:17:28,074 --> 00:17:30,994 Speaker 4: The ordinary foundation is really good to just like pop on. 378 00:17:31,074 --> 00:17:33,354 Speaker 4: It's really forgiving if you haven't plundered it in problems. 379 00:17:33,394 --> 00:17:35,034 Speaker 1: It's a serum, so it's like. 380 00:17:34,954 --> 00:17:36,394 Speaker 2: A serum texture build a ball. 381 00:17:36,514 --> 00:17:38,314 Speaker 1: But yeah, you feel like you're just sort of putting 382 00:17:38,354 --> 00:17:39,594 Speaker 1: on a nice serum. 383 00:17:39,194 --> 00:17:41,634 Speaker 4: And it's nice and light. Also like cream blush, I'm 384 00:17:41,674 --> 00:17:43,594 Speaker 4: using the little Merrit cream blushes. 385 00:17:44,074 --> 00:17:44,994 Speaker 2: They're really great to. 386 00:17:46,234 --> 00:17:50,994 Speaker 3: Just basically yeah, everything swipe, swipe, swipe. 387 00:17:51,314 --> 00:17:53,874 Speaker 2: I've got a really clingy baby who wants. 388 00:17:53,674 --> 00:17:55,994 Speaker 1: To be picked up and you're doing it one handy. 389 00:17:55,794 --> 00:17:57,794 Speaker 4: One handed, And if I leave him sitting in the 390 00:17:57,834 --> 00:18:00,994 Speaker 4: bathroom with me, he's like on the toilet brush or 391 00:18:01,114 --> 00:18:03,954 Speaker 4: with the toilet roll, all of the fun things. So 392 00:18:04,314 --> 00:18:06,954 Speaker 4: I've really kind of cut down my makeup routine, which 393 00:18:06,994 --> 00:18:11,434 Speaker 4: is fine with skincare. I think I've gone from being 394 00:18:11,474 --> 00:18:15,194 Speaker 4: like a skincare maximalist using everything all of the serums, 395 00:18:15,674 --> 00:18:19,874 Speaker 4: to you know, being a skincare minimalist and just using 396 00:18:20,114 --> 00:18:23,634 Speaker 4: potent products at work, grabbing things that are just gonna 397 00:18:23,674 --> 00:18:25,314 Speaker 4: be like a one and done kind of product. 398 00:18:25,874 --> 00:18:27,434 Speaker 1: Oh, this is such a good question. 399 00:18:27,794 --> 00:18:30,034 Speaker 3: Is there a piece of beauty advice that you used 400 00:18:30,074 --> 00:18:32,994 Speaker 3: to give people that now you're just like, Oh my god, 401 00:18:33,034 --> 00:18:35,154 Speaker 3: that is the most unrealistic thing to say. 402 00:18:35,434 --> 00:18:36,434 Speaker 2: Oh so much. 403 00:18:36,914 --> 00:18:39,114 Speaker 4: My eyes roll into the back of my head just 404 00:18:39,114 --> 00:18:41,154 Speaker 4: thinking of like all the things that I was like, 405 00:18:41,274 --> 00:18:44,114 Speaker 4: you can just do a double cleanse and a mask 406 00:18:44,234 --> 00:18:47,593 Speaker 4: and all of that before bed. Now that I'm someone 407 00:18:47,634 --> 00:18:49,914 Speaker 4: that has a like even just having a baby that 408 00:18:50,114 --> 00:18:52,914 Speaker 4: wakes up like twenty million times before I even go 409 00:18:52,954 --> 00:18:55,394 Speaker 4: to bed, even getting a shower, I'm like, I need 410 00:18:55,434 --> 00:18:57,314 Speaker 4: to be really quick because I can almost hear them 411 00:18:57,314 --> 00:18:59,354 Speaker 4: waking up, so it has to be like five minutes. 412 00:18:59,794 --> 00:19:03,154 Speaker 4: So I guess, yeah, things like double cleansing, Like you 413 00:19:03,274 --> 00:19:06,034 Speaker 4: just got to do what works for you. As long 414 00:19:06,074 --> 00:19:08,554 Speaker 4: as you've kind of yourself in bed and you're getting 415 00:19:08,594 --> 00:19:10,154 Speaker 4: your sleep, it doesn't really matter. 416 00:19:10,314 --> 00:19:12,114 Speaker 1: Like, I mean, nothing else matters. 417 00:19:12,234 --> 00:19:14,474 Speaker 4: Well, you haven't washed your face, so you've still had 418 00:19:14,474 --> 00:19:15,313 Speaker 4: a bit of makeup on. 419 00:19:15,514 --> 00:19:15,914 Speaker 2: Whatever. 420 00:19:16,394 --> 00:19:20,114 Speaker 4: Just get your sleep, get that, yeah, rest when you can, 421 00:19:20,394 --> 00:19:21,674 Speaker 4: you know what there. 422 00:19:21,634 --> 00:19:24,154 Speaker 3: Is Another great tip for new mums is that you 423 00:19:24,194 --> 00:19:26,714 Speaker 3: can keep like a waterless cleanser next to the bed, 424 00:19:26,794 --> 00:19:29,954 Speaker 3: like say my cellar water with like some little cotton pads, 425 00:19:30,634 --> 00:19:33,834 Speaker 3: and then just an oil or an overnight sleep mask 426 00:19:33,914 --> 00:19:36,114 Speaker 3: or something so that even if you get into it 427 00:19:36,114 --> 00:19:38,154 Speaker 3: and you go, oh, I didn't do anything. I didn't 428 00:19:38,154 --> 00:19:39,714 Speaker 3: even take my makeup off, or I didn't even take 429 00:19:39,714 --> 00:19:43,114 Speaker 3: my sunscreen off, it's not the same thing. Obviously a 430 00:19:43,154 --> 00:19:45,874 Speaker 3: double cleanse will always be more effective. But then that 431 00:19:45,954 --> 00:19:48,074 Speaker 3: way you're doing something and you can just do it 432 00:19:48,114 --> 00:19:49,674 Speaker 3: when you're already in bed, and it makes you. 433 00:19:49,634 --> 00:19:50,474 Speaker 2: Feel better as well. 434 00:19:50,634 --> 00:19:53,234 Speaker 4: Like sometimes i find myself I'm feeding him at night 435 00:19:53,274 --> 00:19:55,074 Speaker 4: before I go to bed, and I'm like, I'm so tired. 436 00:19:55,114 --> 00:19:56,553 Speaker 4: I just want to put him in and then just 437 00:19:56,634 --> 00:19:59,474 Speaker 4: lie down. But yeah, just being able to like wipe 438 00:19:59,514 --> 00:20:02,033 Speaker 4: your face and put just anything quick on before you 439 00:20:02,114 --> 00:20:03,553 Speaker 4: lay down is always going to make you feel that 440 00:20:03,554 --> 00:20:04,234 Speaker 4: little bit better. 441 00:20:04,714 --> 00:20:07,474 Speaker 2: But yeah, just prioritizing sleep, don't. 442 00:20:08,514 --> 00:20:10,593 Speaker 4: I seriously roll my eyes on I'm thinking about all 443 00:20:10,594 --> 00:20:12,434 Speaker 4: the things that I was like, I do all of this. 444 00:20:12,674 --> 00:20:17,594 Speaker 3: I do twenty one steps at night sleep? Why is 445 00:20:17,634 --> 00:20:22,994 Speaker 3: that not realistic? Finally, erin what products launched over the 446 00:20:23,034 --> 00:20:26,674 Speaker 3: past year that you were like made you gag with 447 00:20:26,874 --> 00:20:29,154 Speaker 3: jealousy that you weren't out and about being able to 448 00:20:29,154 --> 00:20:32,194 Speaker 3: try them like that you were seeing people play with 449 00:20:32,234 --> 00:20:33,434 Speaker 3: on social media or whatnot. 450 00:20:34,074 --> 00:20:36,553 Speaker 4: Actually, the Locks of Time oil, they had like a 451 00:20:36,594 --> 00:20:39,394 Speaker 4: really nice shimmery oil that launched last year, and I 452 00:20:39,394 --> 00:20:42,434 Speaker 4: think it was like one off, limited edition and I 453 00:20:42,554 --> 00:20:43,114 Speaker 4: missed it. 454 00:20:43,394 --> 00:20:45,714 Speaker 2: But I went to the event. 455 00:20:45,954 --> 00:20:49,794 Speaker 4: Only recently and they're coming out with that, as I guess, 456 00:20:49,794 --> 00:20:51,834 Speaker 4: a permanent kind of fixture. So I was really like 457 00:20:52,314 --> 00:20:55,034 Speaker 4: exactly that. Yeah, I didn't completely miss out on that. 458 00:20:55,194 --> 00:20:59,194 Speaker 4: There were so many launches that I just wanted on 459 00:20:59,234 --> 00:21:02,914 Speaker 4: my face, on my body, But around two here we 460 00:21:02,994 --> 00:21:03,354 Speaker 4: go again. 461 00:21:05,434 --> 00:21:08,394 Speaker 3: Well, it's very good to have you back Erin and 462 00:21:08,794 --> 00:21:10,474 Speaker 3: the ubi's are going to be glad that you're back 463 00:21:10,474 --> 00:21:10,874 Speaker 3: as well. 464 00:21:10,954 --> 00:21:11,714 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me. 465 00:21:11,754 --> 00:21:13,394 Speaker 4: It was good to be back and have a chat 466 00:21:13,434 --> 00:21:14,474 Speaker 4: with you, naughty sister. 467 00:21:15,154 --> 00:21:16,553 Speaker 1: Well that's it for today. 468 00:21:16,794 --> 00:21:18,874 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to you beauty, and 469 00:21:19,074 --> 00:21:21,594 Speaker 3: make sure that you're following us on Instagram and TikTok. 470 00:21:21,634 --> 00:21:23,834 Speaker 3: Will pop the links in the show notes and if 471 00:21:23,874 --> 00:21:26,434 Speaker 3: you want to watch us, and why wouldn't you head 472 00:21:26,474 --> 00:21:29,314 Speaker 3: on over to YouTube because we're there and you can 473 00:21:29,354 --> 00:21:34,714 Speaker 3: see how glorious Eron's hair looks in its postpartum glory. 474 00:21:35,154 --> 00:21:37,074 Speaker 3: As I said, we'll pop everything in the show notes. 475 00:21:37,154 --> 00:21:39,354 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me and we'll see you next time. 476 00:21:39,474 --> 00:21:50,674 Speaker 5: Bye. 477 00:21:54,914 --> 00:21:57,594 Speaker 3: Mamma Mia acknowledged. It's to the traditional owners of the land. 478 00:21:57,674 --> 00:22:00,714 Speaker 3: We have recorded this podcast on the Gatigill people of 479 00:22:00,794 --> 00:22:03,434 Speaker 3: the e Or nation. We pay our respects to their 480 00:22:03,434 --> 00:22:06,434 Speaker 3: elders past and present and extend that respect to all 481 00:22:06,474 --> 00:22:08,554 Speaker 3: Aboriginal Torres Strait Island to Culches