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Speaker 3: Mumma mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 3: that this podcast is recorded on. Hello, spillers, this is

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Speaker 3: Laura Brednick and m ven m. We know how much

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Speaker 3: you all loved our brutally honest review of the Wicked

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Speaker 3: movie this year, so we thought we would give you

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Speaker 3: a little extra treat to keep the Wicked love and

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Speaker 3: chats going, which is an episode from our comedy podcast Canceled,

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Speaker 3: hosted by Claire and Jesse Stevens. Now, this podcast touches

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Speaker 3: on a lot of different parts of Wicked, from the

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Speaker 3: press tour, which we know became its own huge cultural moment,

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Speaker 3: to the affair story that was wrapped around se scandal,

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Speaker 3: so the fandom, to the actual movie, the things you're

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Speaker 1: There's so much in there. They do talk about the

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Speaker 1: film for a little bit, but you don't actually have

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Speaker 1: had to watch the movie to listen. Enjoy. Hello, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to Cancel, the Lazy Girl's Guide to Pop Culture.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Stevens and I'm Claire Stephens. And speaking of Canceled,

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Speaker 1: we are about to be canceled because what we're going

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Speaker 4: Fellow Arzie and the Wicked Witch of the West is dead.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree? I am. When we were a mess

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Speaker 1: I just had a thought right now, and I thought.

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Speaker 1: Power in that. I didn't know that that was happening.

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Speaker 1: We're not haters. We are not haters, despite the title

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Speaker 1: of our podcast and our genuine and our general energy,

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Speaker 1: not haters. We love a musical. Have we seen Wicked

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Speaker 1: at the theater twice. I believe I've seen it in London. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's not like you the Wizard of Oz slaps. We

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Speaker 1: critic Hunter Harris put it, the Wicked Press Tour has

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Speaker 1: what are we canceling today? Because I thought we were

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Speaker 1: we do. Have you heard songs such as break Free

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Speaker 1: And it's like you did an MX photo shoot and

417
00:23:16,584 --> 00:23:19,064
Speaker 1: you didn't want the natural light and you wanted to

418
00:23:19,104 --> 00:23:21,904
Speaker 1: be only photographed from your left side. MX didn't make

419
00:23:21,984 --> 00:23:28,024
Speaker 1: it and MX wasn't obeying your commands, and you left

420
00:23:28,064 --> 00:23:32,544
Speaker 1: and you never came back. And honestly, respect respect, you

421
00:23:32,584 --> 00:23:35,864
Speaker 1: know what. Welcome Glinda, you know what doesn't exist anymore?

422
00:23:37,304 --> 00:23:40,584
Speaker 1: Do we call her Glinda or Garlander? Superfans call her Garlinger,

423
00:23:43,104 --> 00:23:49,264
Speaker 1: Garlinda call her Glinda. That's because her name's Glinda. Yeah.

424
00:23:49,384 --> 00:23:52,424
Speaker 1: I think the Garlander thing was just a joke. Superman's

425
00:23:52,424 --> 00:23:57,224
Speaker 1: are like she's Garlander for most of the film. That's what. Yeah.

426
00:23:58,464 --> 00:24:01,624
Speaker 1: In terms of Ariana walking out of MX, I just

427
00:24:01,624 --> 00:24:04,224
Speaker 1: want to say, Arianna, you're better than that, Like you're

428
00:24:04,224 --> 00:24:06,504
Speaker 1: better than MX. I don't know why you should never

429
00:24:06,544 --> 00:24:09,624
Speaker 1: have done MX, why you were put in that situation. Sorry, no,

430
00:24:09,704 --> 00:24:12,264
Speaker 1: I'm sorry and speak very Australia to be like you

431
00:24:12,304 --> 00:24:14,744
Speaker 1: want to come and be a MX. We're probably going

432
00:24:14,824 --> 00:24:18,944
Speaker 1: to cancel it next year and we won't take your

433
00:24:18,944 --> 00:24:23,224
Speaker 1: request series. We'll treat you like shit and then we'll

434
00:24:23,224 --> 00:24:24,864
Speaker 1: write about it in the Daily Mail. How about that?

435
00:24:24,864 --> 00:24:30,064
Speaker 1: There's some fun Vogue Vogue, US will take your request seriously.

436
00:24:30,624 --> 00:24:35,784
Speaker 1: But us this photographer who again is going to have

437
00:24:35,944 --> 00:24:42,424
Speaker 1: much he will be He's respect you who will AnyWho?

438
00:24:42,464 --> 00:24:46,624
Speaker 1: Australia em Parasale sells yet again with Ariana when an

439
00:24:46,624 --> 00:24:49,704
Speaker 1: interview with a radio personality went viral. Jess have you

440
00:24:49,744 --> 00:24:54,424
Speaker 1: seen it? No? I actually wow wow, Nova presenter Kent

441
00:24:54,784 --> 00:24:57,664
Speaker 1: Smallsy Smalls, I who know his first name? I can't

442
00:24:57,664 --> 00:25:04,224
Speaker 1: picture him Smallzy, Jesse, be Bold. You know Smallsey. You

443
00:25:04,304 --> 00:25:08,864
Speaker 1: have seen Smallsey at premieres, at media events. He's always okay,

444
00:25:08,904 --> 00:25:12,184
Speaker 1: all right, well yes, Smallsey okay, yeah. Well he posted

445
00:25:12,184 --> 00:25:15,264
Speaker 1: a cliped social media of him speaking to Ariana and

446
00:25:15,304 --> 00:25:19,624
Speaker 1: Cynthia about the movie. But straight away everyone was like, wait,

447
00:25:19,824 --> 00:25:23,544
Speaker 1: you're clearly far more interested in directing your questions to Ariana.

448
00:25:24,144 --> 00:25:28,064
Speaker 1: And someone did an analysis of like how much he

449
00:25:28,104 --> 00:25:30,784
Speaker 1: directed his questions towards Ariana versus Cynthia, and it was

450
00:25:30,824 --> 00:25:35,744
Speaker 1: something like eighty twenty. Like he clearly was, Like was hard?

451
00:25:36,224 --> 00:25:40,944
Speaker 1: I interviewed once Paul Rudd and another man, fucker was hard?

452
00:25:42,464 --> 00:25:45,224
Speaker 1: Oh no, he was ant Man. It was for ant Man.

453
00:25:45,384 --> 00:25:50,024
Speaker 1: But I was like, I, respectfully, I don't know you respectfully.

454
00:25:50,144 --> 00:25:53,624
Speaker 1: Besides Paul, I just want to ask him questions. Yeah.

455
00:25:53,064 --> 00:25:57,344
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is that I'm not judging Smallsey

456
00:25:57,424 --> 00:26:00,064
Speaker 1: for this. I'm genuinely not, because that happens a lot

457
00:26:00,144 --> 00:26:02,864
Speaker 1: in media, where you know you're going to get more

458
00:26:02,864 --> 00:26:05,664
Speaker 1: clicks on a story, more people are going to listen

459
00:26:05,704 --> 00:26:08,624
Speaker 1: to your soundbites, more people are going to watch the videos. Yeah,

460
00:26:08,664 --> 00:26:12,264
Speaker 1: but that sucks for Cynthia's literally the main character. Absolutely,

461
00:26:12,464 --> 00:26:15,664
Speaker 1: it really sucks for her. But from Smally's perspective, he's

462
00:26:15,704 --> 00:26:19,944
Speaker 1: clearly like, I'm doing this for radio, and Ariana Grande

463
00:26:20,024 --> 00:26:22,904
Speaker 1: in terms of celebrity, is a bigger celebrity than Cynthia,

464
00:26:23,024 --> 00:26:24,544
Speaker 1: So I'm going to direct my questions to her. And

465
00:26:24,584 --> 00:26:27,624
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, everybody got to that point. I realized

466
00:26:27,664 --> 00:26:30,584
Speaker 1: it was like a bit of a dickhead thing, yeah,

467
00:26:30,584 --> 00:26:33,704
Speaker 1: and then evened out their creation. Yeah. Yeah, but you

468
00:26:33,784 --> 00:26:36,464
Speaker 1: run out of time, Jesse. I want to show you

469
00:26:37,304 --> 00:26:38,904
Speaker 1: some of the clip.

470
00:26:39,144 --> 00:26:42,664
Speaker 5: Ask you, Ariana. I heard a story that you obviously

471
00:26:42,704 --> 00:26:43,744
Speaker 5: you wanted this job of.

472
00:26:43,704 --> 00:26:46,304
Speaker 3: The role, Yeah, your whole life, right.

473
00:26:46,944 --> 00:26:49,184
Speaker 5: Where were you when you got the call that said yep,

474
00:26:49,224 --> 00:26:50,544
Speaker 5: we want you to be part of it? Do you

475
00:26:50,544 --> 00:26:52,184
Speaker 5: remember what you were doing that day?

476
00:26:52,304 --> 00:26:55,384
Speaker 4: I do, actually, But we both have really fun stories.

477
00:26:55,424 --> 00:26:57,584
Speaker 1: Well we both have to tell them. But you have

478
00:26:57,624 --> 00:27:00,144
Speaker 1: a fun story. Tell your story. Well, I was in

479
00:27:00,184 --> 00:27:02,824
Speaker 1: London and whatso everyone else is in la and.

480
00:27:02,864 --> 00:27:06,824
Speaker 5: Yeah, quickly, quickly, when are you bring Arim Beauty to Australia?

481
00:27:06,904 --> 00:27:10,264
Speaker 1: This is what's like, Oh my god, Soon soon were wrecking.

482
00:27:10,624 --> 00:27:12,104
Speaker 5: And then the other question that the fans want to

483
00:27:12,144 --> 00:27:14,304
Speaker 5: know is music and tour and when will you be

484
00:27:14,304 --> 00:27:15,304
Speaker 5: coming back to Australia.

485
00:27:15,344 --> 00:27:18,384
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, we both yes, well together, Oh my god,

486
00:27:18,424 --> 00:27:19,704
Speaker 4: we've both will come back here as soon as we

487
00:27:19,784 --> 00:27:20,744
Speaker 4: humanly possibly can.

488
00:27:20,864 --> 00:27:22,384
Speaker 5: Yes, it is so great to see again Ariana. It

489
00:27:22,384 --> 00:27:24,304
Speaker 5: has been so many years. Thank you so much for

490
00:27:24,344 --> 00:27:24,704
Speaker 5: the time.

491
00:27:24,864 --> 00:27:30,104
Speaker 1: She is such a pro. Is a pro. Everybody said,

492
00:27:30,264 --> 00:27:34,864
Speaker 1: she is a masterclass in kind of deflecting the awkward

493
00:27:35,224 --> 00:27:37,664
Speaker 1: really politely. Yeah, she could have been rude, and we've

494
00:27:37,664 --> 00:27:39,744
Speaker 1: seen those viral and I have a theory that we'll

495
00:27:39,744 --> 00:27:42,424
Speaker 1: get to about why this press to her has looked

496
00:27:42,424 --> 00:27:44,184
Speaker 1: like this, and I think it's in reaction to that.

497
00:27:44,264 --> 00:27:46,944
Speaker 1: It ends with us lively drama than the Anne Hathaway

498
00:27:46,984 --> 00:27:50,464
Speaker 1: and all of these leaked interviews of celebrities being mean

499
00:27:50,584 --> 00:27:54,464
Speaker 1: and they have done the exact opposite. Yeah. Yeah, but

500
00:27:54,784 --> 00:27:58,904
Speaker 1: he literally at the end just says goodbye to Ariana. Oh,

501
00:27:59,384 --> 00:28:02,224
Speaker 1: like it's so bad. So he asks her how she

502
00:28:02,344 --> 00:28:05,664
Speaker 1: felt when she received the call notifying her that she

503
00:28:05,904 --> 00:28:10,064
Speaker 1: had won the role of Glinda, and doesn't ask Cynthia

504
00:28:10,064 --> 00:28:12,104
Speaker 1: ba Q question, and then Arianna has to like even

505
00:28:12,144 --> 00:28:15,704
Speaker 1: it out. Then Cynthia's talking and smalls, he cuts her

506
00:28:15,824 --> 00:28:21,024
Speaker 1: off to redirect questions to Ariana, and then he asks

507
00:28:21,064 --> 00:28:23,704
Speaker 1: her when she's going to be coming back for a tour,

508
00:28:23,864 --> 00:28:26,184
Speaker 1: when her like makeup line or something's going to come

509
00:28:26,224 --> 00:28:29,024
Speaker 1: to austral It's just very like directing the questions to

510
00:28:29,064 --> 00:28:31,984
Speaker 1: her and not very wicked. No, and just the people

511
00:28:32,064 --> 00:28:34,504
Speaker 1: were so upset because this is the sort of thing

512
00:28:34,584 --> 00:28:38,384
Speaker 1: that really upsets people on the internet because they're protective. Yeah,

513
00:28:38,424 --> 00:28:40,384
Speaker 1: there are comments such as and they're like, I have

514
00:28:40,384 --> 00:28:41,304
Speaker 1: a question for Cynthia.

515
00:28:41,464 --> 00:28:41,704
Speaker 5: Yeah.

516
00:28:41,944 --> 00:28:45,224
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are comments such as this in capitals. Stop

517
00:28:45,384 --> 00:28:50,664
Speaker 1: disrespecting Cynthia a revo wowyeh yeah, he needs to be

518
00:28:50,664 --> 00:28:53,944
Speaker 1: fired immediately. This is super disrespectful. This movie is not

519
00:28:53,984 --> 00:28:57,704
Speaker 1: only about Glinda Ariana Grande. This movie is about them both,

520
00:28:58,344 --> 00:29:03,344
Speaker 1: especially Cynthia's character. Everyone got really upset Jess that holding

521
00:29:03,424 --> 00:29:08,104
Speaker 1: space in your power while defying gravity interview. Everyone thought

522
00:29:08,384 --> 00:29:12,104
Speaker 1: the Wicked Press Tour had reached peak Wicked Press tour,

523
00:29:12,784 --> 00:29:18,744
Speaker 1: and then Ariana Grande gently yet earnestly, clutched onto cyfiais

524
00:29:19,224 --> 00:29:23,144
Speaker 1: Mail for emotional support while they discussed how it is

525
00:29:23,184 --> 00:29:26,864
Speaker 1: important to hold space for defying gravity. So much of

526
00:29:26,904 --> 00:29:29,544
Speaker 1: this has been lost on me. But I have watched

527
00:29:29,544 --> 00:29:33,144
Speaker 1: this clip, yeah, fifteen times. I really enjoy it. I'm

528
00:29:33,304 --> 00:29:36,144
Speaker 1: trying to be moved. I'm trying to understand and I

529
00:29:36,184 --> 00:29:40,864
Speaker 1: cannot decode what is being said. Well, everyone in this

530
00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:44,584
Speaker 1: film is so profoundly moved by themselves. Okay, and this

531
00:29:44,664 --> 00:29:47,624
Speaker 1: interview sums it up. The writer Hunter Harris put it

532
00:29:47,624 --> 00:29:50,904
Speaker 1: beautifully on Substack when she wrote what began as a

533
00:29:50,944 --> 00:29:56,024
Speaker 1: regular junket interview without dot COM's Tracy E. Gilchrist turned

534
00:29:56,104 --> 00:30:00,544
Speaker 1: into an uncanny display of this ferocity of feeling. Gilchrists

535
00:30:00,584 --> 00:30:04,344
Speaker 1: interview starts off as normal as any junket interview could.

536
00:30:04,704 --> 00:30:07,024
Speaker 1: Now that junkets are more, how much can I leave

537
00:30:07,024 --> 00:30:11,504
Speaker 1: an impression on this famous person and less traditional weqestion answer? Yes,

538
00:30:11,584 --> 00:30:15,264
Speaker 1: that is such a good point, Verry. I'm going to

539
00:30:15,344 --> 00:30:18,224
Speaker 1: impress the celebrity. Yeah, I'm just gonna have a moment

540
00:30:18,224 --> 00:30:21,144
Speaker 1: with a celebrity. Does this serve anyone else? No? No, no,

541
00:30:21,264 --> 00:30:24,384
Speaker 1: am I going to ask them anything that will make

542
00:30:24,504 --> 00:30:27,664
Speaker 1: for a video which will have seven million hits on TikTok.

543
00:30:27,664 --> 00:30:30,264
Speaker 1: It'll make for a video that will be good on

544
00:30:30,384 --> 00:30:33,864
Speaker 1: my socials. Yeah, really really good for my kind of platform.

545
00:30:33,904 --> 00:30:36,584
Speaker 1: Why else are we doing anything if not for a

546
00:30:36,664 --> 00:30:41,384
Speaker 1: video on my social At some point, during one of

547
00:30:41,424 --> 00:30:45,504
Speaker 1: Gilchris's questions to grantde she starts clutching a Revo's fingernail.

548
00:30:45,584 --> 00:30:49,344
Speaker 1: Everything's fine, yeah, but she does chop too. It promotional support.

549
00:30:50,144 --> 00:30:53,824
Speaker 1: And then there's the exchange and Jess, I'm going to

550
00:30:53,864 --> 00:30:57,984
Speaker 1: play the interviewer, okay, and you're gonna play Cynthia Arrivo. Yeah.

551
00:30:58,064 --> 00:31:00,104
Speaker 1: My question is do you think you've watched this enough

552
00:31:00,104 --> 00:31:03,584
Speaker 1: to really get the emotion right? Yeah? Yeahay, I do, Okay,

553
00:31:03,744 --> 00:31:06,424
Speaker 1: I'm the journalist. Okay. This week people are taking the

554
00:31:06,504 --> 00:31:09,464
Speaker 1: lyrics to define gravity and really holding space with that

555
00:31:09,784 --> 00:31:13,024
Speaker 1: and feeling in that. Would you touch on that moment

556
00:31:13,104 --> 00:31:16,344
Speaker 1: in the film when Alphaba has been banished and yet

557
00:31:16,384 --> 00:31:19,624
Speaker 1: she comes into her full power at that moment of

558
00:31:19,704 --> 00:31:24,904
Speaker 1: the worst time, overcome with emotion that's in brackets. I

559
00:31:25,344 --> 00:31:29,664
Speaker 1: didn't know that was happening. I've seen it. That's really powerful.

560
00:31:30,744 --> 00:31:33,704
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted. I didn't know that was happening.

561
00:31:34,704 --> 00:31:37,664
Speaker 1: At this point, the journalist is clearly stressed because she

562
00:31:37,864 --> 00:31:42,024
Speaker 1: doesn't know what they're talking about I think that often.

563
00:31:42,104 --> 00:31:46,104
Speaker 1: Ariana doesn't either. No, she's like, I've missed it. I

564
00:31:46,784 --> 00:31:49,464
Speaker 1: tuned out. Yeah, yeah, I reckon the journalists just wedding

565
00:31:49,504 --> 00:31:53,104
Speaker 1: because she's like, I think Cynthia Arrivo has misunderstood what

566
00:31:53,144 --> 00:31:56,024
Speaker 1: I said. Yeah, which is fair because I also don't know.

567
00:31:55,984 --> 00:31:56,344
Speaker 2: What I do.

568
00:31:56,944 --> 00:31:59,144
Speaker 1: And now it's done and I can't watch it. Yeah,

569
00:31:59,144 --> 00:32:00,704
Speaker 1: I'm in the moment because it's one of those things.

570
00:32:00,744 --> 00:32:02,344
Speaker 1: I get it all the time when I'm interviewing people,

571
00:32:02,344 --> 00:32:04,064
Speaker 1: because you're a little bit nervous. You start a question,

572
00:32:04,104 --> 00:32:05,064
Speaker 1: you go, oh, I don't know why this is going.

573
00:32:05,144 --> 00:32:06,464
Speaker 1: I don't know where this is going. And then you finish,

574
00:32:06,544 --> 00:32:08,944
Speaker 1: and then then you both look at each other and

575
00:32:08,984 --> 00:32:14,904
Speaker 1: you're like, please say me. And when you live, you

576
00:32:15,064 --> 00:32:21,664
Speaker 1: have asked about holding space, shown me a journalist who

577
00:32:21,744 --> 00:32:26,744
Speaker 1: was not hard about holding space? Are you're holding space

578
00:32:26,784 --> 00:32:30,224
Speaker 1: for defying gravity? Is very there paras around this interview,

579
00:32:31,024 --> 00:32:34,864
Speaker 1: and I felt myself bump up against every single one

580
00:32:35,064 --> 00:32:39,584
Speaker 1: until I landed in nothing space. Okay, okay, back to

581
00:32:39,624 --> 00:32:42,304
Speaker 1: the interview. Yeah, I've seen it on a couple of posts.

582
00:32:43,104 --> 00:32:45,624
Speaker 1: I don't know how wide spread, but you know, I

583
00:32:45,664 --> 00:32:49,384
Speaker 1: am in queer media. So that's my You know, at

584
00:32:49,384 --> 00:32:53,024
Speaker 1: this point, the journalist is killing time. She wants to

585
00:32:53,104 --> 00:32:55,864
Speaker 1: let the interview end so no one ever has to

586
00:32:55,904 --> 00:33:03,184
Speaker 1: address the misunderstanding. And Cynthia goes, yeah, but yeah, it's happened.

587
00:33:03,904 --> 00:33:07,424
Speaker 1: What Cynthia didn't ask that, but I'm asking as a viewer,

588
00:33:07,864 --> 00:33:11,744
Speaker 1: what has happened? What happened? So I tried to work

589
00:33:11,784 --> 00:33:14,744
Speaker 1: out what the journalist was talking about, okay, in terms

590
00:33:14,784 --> 00:33:17,984
Speaker 1: of people holding space with the lyrics to define gravity.

591
00:33:18,464 --> 00:33:22,904
Speaker 1: Variety interviewed that journalist and this is what they asked, Yeah,

592
00:33:23,504 --> 00:33:28,024
Speaker 1: do you recall any of the posts that inspired your question?

593
00:33:28,704 --> 00:33:33,304
Speaker 1: For Cynthia and Ariana, and she says this, most of

594
00:33:33,344 --> 00:33:36,504
Speaker 1: it actually came from a conversation with a friend. I

595
00:33:36,624 --> 00:33:39,264
Speaker 1: was using that to tee up the question, and I

596
00:33:39,344 --> 00:33:42,904
Speaker 1: was a little thrown off by Cynthia's response because it

597
00:33:42,984 --> 00:33:46,224
Speaker 1: was so sincere and real. I was a little flustered.

598
00:33:46,904 --> 00:33:48,944
Speaker 1: I could have said, I have all these friends and

599
00:33:48,984 --> 00:33:52,264
Speaker 1: this is our conversation, but instead I said, I'm in

600
00:33:52,344 --> 00:33:56,984
Speaker 1: queer media. I have so done that I have said,

601
00:33:57,064 --> 00:33:58,824
Speaker 1: oh my god, have you seen that? X y Z?

602
00:33:59,264 --> 00:34:02,664
Speaker 1: And if anyone interrogated me on it, I'd be like link.

603
00:34:02,944 --> 00:34:05,344
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'm gonna be real. My mum sent

604
00:34:05,384 --> 00:34:07,704
Speaker 1: me a link and it might be fake news. Didn't

605
00:34:07,744 --> 00:34:10,744
Speaker 1: actually open it. But it's so like you just had

606
00:34:10,784 --> 00:34:12,424
Speaker 1: a conversation with a friend and then you're like, there's

607
00:34:12,464 --> 00:34:14,384
Speaker 1: this you know thing that's happening, and she's like, I

608
00:34:14,424 --> 00:34:19,584
Speaker 1: don't know that, and you're like, it's not except privately,

609
00:34:20,384 --> 00:34:22,584
Speaker 1: except privately with me and my friend. Mean to hold

610
00:34:22,624 --> 00:34:24,544
Speaker 1: space for defining gravity? Excuse me?

611
00:34:24,584 --> 00:34:26,464
Speaker 2: Can they use that space? Or are you holding it?

612
00:34:26,704 --> 00:34:28,784
Speaker 5: You can't? Sorry, I'm holding it. That's fine.

613
00:34:29,024 --> 00:34:30,544
Speaker 3: May I ask what you're holding it for?

614
00:34:30,704 --> 00:34:31,544
Speaker 2: I think we both know?

615
00:34:31,824 --> 00:34:33,424
Speaker 5: Is it the lyrics of define gravity?

616
00:34:34,704 --> 00:34:35,424
Speaker 2: Walking beautiful?

617
00:34:35,464 --> 00:34:36,704
Speaker 5: I didn't know people were doing that.

618
00:34:37,024 --> 00:34:39,224
Speaker 1: She also said earlier in the interview that she did

619
00:34:39,264 --> 00:34:42,824
Speaker 1: see a man named Tony Morrison, who is like a

620
00:34:42,904 --> 00:34:47,224
Speaker 1: director lad he had posted the lyrics for defining gravity.

621
00:34:48,024 --> 00:34:51,544
Speaker 1: I guess that's holding space. I think I think that's

622
00:34:51,584 --> 00:34:55,664
Speaker 1: what she meant by holding space. So my question is

623
00:34:56,504 --> 00:34:58,624
Speaker 1: I think seeing the movie last night, I don't know.

624
00:34:58,904 --> 00:35:03,264
Speaker 1: I'm Jogue only serious. Have you been holding space during

625
00:35:03,344 --> 00:35:09,384
Speaker 1: the scene of defining gravity? I held space? And what

626
00:35:09,544 --> 00:35:12,184
Speaker 1: did that lie? My phone? Okay? I didn't look at

627
00:35:12,184 --> 00:35:14,064
Speaker 1: my phone and I watched the scene and that scene

628
00:35:14,104 --> 00:35:17,424
Speaker 1: went for two hours, and I was like, I'm just

629
00:35:17,424 --> 00:35:20,304
Speaker 1: here holding space. Is that the scene that everyone cried?

630
00:35:20,304 --> 00:35:22,664
Speaker 1: Because I keep saying all these no we' The scene

631
00:35:22,664 --> 00:35:26,184
Speaker 1: that everyone cried in was the one the dance the ball. Yeah,

632
00:35:26,184 --> 00:35:28,744
Speaker 1: it was beautiful. That was beautiful. I didn't cry, yeah,

633
00:35:28,824 --> 00:35:31,384
Speaker 1: but okay, yeah, because there were people crying at the

634
00:35:31,464 --> 00:35:33,064
Speaker 1: end of the movie, and I was like, was that

635
00:35:33,104 --> 00:35:37,384
Speaker 1: I just wanted were holding Hey? Hey, no, what are

636
00:35:37,384 --> 00:35:39,304
Speaker 1: we crying out? No? Come on, I want to cry,

637
00:35:39,304 --> 00:35:41,104
Speaker 1: but I don't know what cry. Can you explain I

638
00:35:41,144 --> 00:35:42,824
Speaker 1: miss something? Because it's like I think they must have

639
00:35:42,864 --> 00:35:45,064
Speaker 1: been in holding space. Yeah, and that's why they were cry.

640
00:35:45,184 --> 00:35:47,304
Speaker 1: It is the thing that's happening. Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah,

641
00:35:48,144 --> 00:35:53,304
Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of posts Jessy memes. Okay, I

642
00:35:53,384 --> 00:35:57,944
Speaker 1: want you to read out the memes that have erupted

643
00:35:58,064 --> 00:36:00,704
Speaker 1: in response to holding space that they have to define gravity.

644
00:36:00,744 --> 00:36:02,504
Speaker 1: So this is a picture of Kimi kardash Shan and

645
00:36:02,544 --> 00:36:05,464
Speaker 1: it says, get your fucking ass up and hold space

646
00:36:05,504 --> 00:36:07,784
Speaker 1: for the lyrics of defining gravity. It's like, no one

647
00:36:07,784 --> 00:36:10,864
Speaker 1: wants to hold space for the lyrics of define gravit anymore?

648
00:36:11,064 --> 00:36:14,344
Speaker 1: Love it? Very true, Carrie Bradshaw. I couldn't help, but

649
00:36:14,384 --> 00:36:16,504
Speaker 1: wonder if Big could hold space for the lyrics of

650
00:36:16,544 --> 00:36:19,544
Speaker 1: defying gravity, why couldn't he hold space for me? That's

651
00:36:19,624 --> 00:36:23,384
Speaker 1: so true? Excellent, babe, what's wrong? You've barely held space

652
00:36:23,464 --> 00:36:25,664
Speaker 1: and felt the power and the lyrics of defying gravity.

653
00:36:27,224 --> 00:36:29,704
Speaker 1: Then we've got Hey, a bunch of us are outside

654
00:36:29,744 --> 00:36:33,184
Speaker 1: holding space for cigarettes. Do you want to join? But

655
00:36:33,224 --> 00:36:35,944
Speaker 1: if you're holding space and I'm in queer media, then

656
00:36:35,984 --> 00:36:41,184
Speaker 1: who the hell is gravity? I also like, this is

657
00:36:41,224 --> 00:36:43,064
Speaker 1: how close I am to losing it? And it is

658
00:36:43,184 --> 00:36:46,984
Speaker 1: Ariana just gently touched touching. It's not she doesn't have

659
00:36:47,144 --> 00:36:49,824
Speaker 1: all the It's kind of how you'd pick up a chopstick.

660
00:36:49,904 --> 00:36:52,464
Speaker 1: That's how she's holding her holding Fathia's nails.

661
00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:52,664
Speaker 2: Yea.

662
00:36:52,744 --> 00:36:55,104
Speaker 1: And then the last one is, if I'm holding space

663
00:36:55,144 --> 00:36:57,824
Speaker 1: with the lyrics of defying gravity and you're in queer media,

664
00:36:58,344 --> 00:37:02,704
Speaker 1: then who the hell is holding his finger? I really

665
00:37:02,744 --> 00:37:07,184
Speaker 1: love it. How weird everything has Yeah, yeah, a nonsensical yeah.

666
00:37:07,824 --> 00:37:09,544
Speaker 1: You before I ask me what I'm doing tonight? Asking

667
00:37:09,624 --> 00:37:13,384
Speaker 1: what I'm doing tonight, and what happened. God. I said, hey, Claire,

668
00:37:13,424 --> 00:37:15,184
Speaker 1: you free tonight, and you said, let me just check

669
00:37:15,224 --> 00:37:17,424
Speaker 1: my calendar. And then you had a diary invite. Well

670
00:37:17,424 --> 00:37:20,104
Speaker 1: you had a block which was about you holding space

671
00:37:20,144 --> 00:37:22,544
Speaker 1: for defining gravity tonight. So you can't do anything. I

672
00:37:22,584 --> 00:37:25,144
Speaker 1: think that would be lovely. Yeah, I just want to

673
00:37:25,144 --> 00:37:27,784
Speaker 1: hold oh want a hold space for define gravity. That

674
00:37:27,824 --> 00:37:30,384
Speaker 1: you should see when you google holding space for the

675
00:37:30,464 --> 00:37:34,064
Speaker 1: lyrics of define gravity. Things that come up, what is

676
00:37:34,184 --> 00:37:39,424
Speaker 1: holding space? A psychologist defines what holding space is and

677
00:37:39,464 --> 00:37:42,304
Speaker 1: then it's like holding space for the lyrics of defying

678
00:37:42,344 --> 00:37:45,784
Speaker 1: gravity explained the best memes. And I'm like, this is

679
00:37:45,824 --> 00:37:49,024
Speaker 1: so weird, my pop. We're in a ninety seven year

680
00:37:49,064 --> 00:38:01,624
Speaker 1: old pop would be so confused, Claire. It is time

681
00:38:01,664 --> 00:38:03,104
Speaker 1: for a list of all the things that have made

682
00:38:03,184 --> 00:38:07,864
Speaker 1: Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arivo cry. I straight up do

683
00:38:07,904 --> 00:38:10,824
Speaker 1: not understand what's happening during the press tour. Don't get

684
00:38:10,904 --> 00:38:13,584
Speaker 1: me wrong, I'm not hating. I am simply not following.

685
00:38:13,784 --> 00:38:16,704
Speaker 1: I'm not bothering either. It is the opposite, as I

686
00:38:16,744 --> 00:38:18,664
Speaker 1: said to the it ends with us pressed to her,

687
00:38:18,904 --> 00:38:21,344
Speaker 1: and it is also the opposite to the Madam Webb

688
00:38:21,424 --> 00:38:25,664
Speaker 1: press tour Ah where Dakota Johnson openly detested her own film,

689
00:38:25,944 --> 00:38:29,184
Speaker 1: and when there was a literal earthquake, she didn't emote.

690
00:38:29,504 --> 00:38:31,864
Speaker 1: She was like, I think there was an earthquake. She's like,

691
00:38:31,904 --> 00:38:37,104
Speaker 1: can you imagine and Ariana Thede squeal so cry and

692
00:38:37,104 --> 00:38:39,864
Speaker 1: they'd be like, we hold space. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

693
00:38:39,904 --> 00:38:42,104
Speaker 1: Here's a list of questions and all statements that have

694
00:38:42,144 --> 00:38:44,704
Speaker 1: made Cynthia and Ariana cry. And this is from a

695
00:38:44,744 --> 00:38:49,344
Speaker 1: compilation of like interviews on the internet. Okay, what ways

696
00:38:49,384 --> 00:38:54,664
Speaker 1: has the person sitting next to you changed you for good? Okay? Lost? Okay, Okay.

697
00:38:55,024 --> 00:38:58,384
Speaker 1: I have read a stupid amount of interviews since watching

698
00:38:58,384 --> 00:39:04,264
Speaker 1: the film, and I will say no, please please, I'm

699
00:39:04,344 --> 00:39:06,464
Speaker 1: not mad. I just can't understand. All right, all right,

700
00:39:07,344 --> 00:39:10,744
Speaker 1: here's the thing press to us now, and people are

701
00:39:10,784 --> 00:39:13,104
Speaker 1: gonna hate me for saying this. Pressed. Hers are just

702
00:39:13,144 --> 00:39:15,664
Speaker 1: an extension of the film. They're just They're just just

703
00:39:15,704 --> 00:39:18,064
Speaker 1: an extension. It's like I'm going to pretend to be Alphaba,

704
00:39:18,184 --> 00:39:20,344
Speaker 1: You're going to pretend to be Glinda in oppressed to

705
00:39:20,464 --> 00:39:23,824
Speaker 1: a contact in an interview. What would Glinda do? What

706
00:39:23,864 --> 00:39:27,184
Speaker 1: would Alphabet do? And so it's just all an extension

707
00:39:27,824 --> 00:39:31,104
Speaker 1: and it's worked like it's the number one movie. They

708
00:39:31,104 --> 00:39:33,584
Speaker 1: have done a remarkable job. I'm watching all of them.

709
00:39:33,624 --> 00:39:37,944
Speaker 1: But if we want to kind of buy into that,

710
00:39:38,824 --> 00:39:43,784
Speaker 1: Wicked is an excellent story in terms of following story

711
00:39:43,824 --> 00:39:47,224
Speaker 1: structure and challenging our ideas about perspective and who people are,

712
00:39:47,304 --> 00:39:53,304
Speaker 1: and have female friendship, incredible representation. All of that excellent.

713
00:39:53,384 --> 00:39:55,144
Speaker 1: And I do think if you just look at the

714
00:39:55,224 --> 00:40:00,864
Speaker 1: characters of Glinda and Alphaba, what Ariana Grande has said

715
00:40:01,024 --> 00:40:03,744
Speaker 1: is that she has got a lot of strength from Cynthia,

716
00:40:03,864 --> 00:40:06,024
Speaker 1: and Cynthia is like, I've been able to be a

717
00:40:06,024 --> 00:40:10,824
Speaker 1: bit softer, and I feel that I took this start

718
00:40:11,504 --> 00:40:15,824
Speaker 1: a lot. I hope that well. Mm Rosciano told Cynthia,

719
00:40:16,104 --> 00:40:17,184
Speaker 1: you fucking did it, babe.

720
00:40:17,264 --> 00:40:19,424
Speaker 2: I didn't know how the movie was going to do that,

721
00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:21,984
Speaker 2: just that changing of levels. I don't want to get

722
00:40:21,984 --> 00:40:24,384
Speaker 2: anything away, but when you read the inner Child stuff

723
00:40:24,384 --> 00:40:29,704
Speaker 2: and the did she like dissolve yes, oh yeah, yeah,

724
00:40:30,024 --> 00:40:32,424
Speaker 2: oh sh Cynthia did it, babe.

725
00:40:33,024 --> 00:40:37,264
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, and Cynthia sob stopped. She was like was

726
00:40:37,304 --> 00:40:39,904
Speaker 1: one of the early sob sobs. And I went wow,

727
00:40:40,024 --> 00:40:45,344
Speaker 1: what wow, excellent interview. You've really got them to unlock

728
00:40:45,344 --> 00:40:47,864
Speaker 1: emotion and then I was absolutely viral. Yeah, and then

729
00:40:47,904 --> 00:40:50,464
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we're crying all over the place. Yeah,

730
00:40:50,784 --> 00:40:53,264
Speaker 1: an interviewer telling her, it's indescribable how you feel when

731
00:40:53,384 --> 00:40:55,624
Speaker 1: when you watch it. And also these are just some

732
00:40:55,744 --> 00:40:59,384
Speaker 1: quotes that they've given through interviews because they're very like

733
00:40:59,424 --> 00:41:02,024
Speaker 1: they'll say to an interviewer, you are very good. Oh see,

734
00:41:02,024 --> 00:41:05,104
Speaker 1: i'd lose it. We love you. You are such a gift.

735
00:41:05,184 --> 00:41:08,584
Speaker 1: Oh beautiful, which again it's very in character. Georgie Tunney

736
00:41:08,744 --> 00:41:12,504
Speaker 1: telling them what a friend kid had said after watching it,

737
00:41:12,584 --> 00:41:14,544
Speaker 1: which is, you have to be good and you have

738
00:41:14,584 --> 00:41:16,704
Speaker 1: to be kind to everybody, and she is a good witch.

739
00:41:16,824 --> 00:41:19,184
Speaker 1: That one actually did get me, and it got Cynthia,

740
00:41:19,184 --> 00:41:21,824
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, and sorry, just

741
00:41:22,264 --> 00:41:26,384
Speaker 1: in terms of literally the only thing that they haven't

742
00:41:26,464 --> 00:41:31,464
Speaker 1: done in terms of just making Ariana Glinda and Cynthia

743
00:41:31,584 --> 00:41:37,064
Speaker 1: Alphaba is paint Cynthia green. Yeah, but Cynthia has the nails,

744
00:41:37,264 --> 00:41:41,064
Speaker 1: these ridiculously over the top nails, and she's still blond.

745
00:41:41,144 --> 00:41:42,624
Speaker 1: It's like they still look like their carriage. Y.

746
00:41:42,784 --> 00:41:42,984
Speaker 2: Yeah.

747
00:41:43,024 --> 00:41:46,184
Speaker 1: Yeah. They sat in an interview with the original Glinda

748
00:41:46,304 --> 00:41:50,664
Speaker 1: and Alphaba and the original Alpha bar began by saying

749
00:41:50,664 --> 00:41:52,624
Speaker 1: it was a great tribute. The interview hadn't even begun

750
00:41:52,704 --> 00:41:55,464
Speaker 1: and said it was a great tribute. Ariana breakdown. They

751
00:41:55,464 --> 00:41:59,304
Speaker 1: cried because they were in a parking lot because and

752
00:41:59,424 --> 00:42:01,944
Speaker 1: I quote, they've come through a massive, massive thing. This

753
00:42:02,024 --> 00:42:05,064
Speaker 1: is where I go, I'm missing something. Something has occurred.

754
00:42:05,544 --> 00:42:09,864
Speaker 1: This film is about something else, and I haven't properly

755
00:42:09,944 --> 00:42:14,224
Speaker 1: diset did what the point less? Unless some people are like,

756
00:42:14,264 --> 00:42:16,864
Speaker 1: this is just theater kids, they just moved, Yes, and

757
00:42:17,064 --> 00:42:19,344
Speaker 1: I'll get to that. Mariana said the stuff you don't

758
00:42:19,384 --> 00:42:21,224
Speaker 1: see is the most special stuff. And at that point

759
00:42:21,224 --> 00:42:22,784
Speaker 1: she actually fell to the ground. Have you seen her

760
00:42:22,824 --> 00:42:24,584
Speaker 1: fall to the ground and weep and then she crawls out.

761
00:42:25,464 --> 00:42:28,144
Speaker 1: An interviewer asked Ariana about the credits where her name

762
00:42:28,264 --> 00:42:31,624
Speaker 1: appears as Ariana Grande but Terra. Yeah, Claire, what did

763
00:42:31,664 --> 00:42:34,704
Speaker 1: you do? She cried silently. She couldn't ask, And it's weird.

764
00:42:34,784 --> 00:42:37,304
Speaker 1: I've great weight of getting out of answering the question. Yes,

765
00:42:37,464 --> 00:42:39,624
Speaker 1: got silence stare at them, and it also makes the

766
00:42:39,664 --> 00:42:41,544
Speaker 1: interviewer feel quite good because they're like, oh, is that

767
00:42:41,584 --> 00:42:44,224
Speaker 1: an emotional question? I touched a nerve Yes, is going

768
00:42:44,264 --> 00:42:47,144
Speaker 1: to be very happy. Yeah, what do we think is happening?

769
00:42:47,224 --> 00:42:50,704
Speaker 1: Because the first theory is we've got the theater kids,

770
00:42:51,264 --> 00:42:53,904
Speaker 1: people who sing might feel more deeply one hundred percent.

771
00:42:54,504 --> 00:42:56,704
Speaker 1: We do neither, and so we're looking at it going

772
00:42:57,184 --> 00:42:59,624
Speaker 1: excuse me, can you loop us in? We're confuse about

773
00:42:59,624 --> 00:43:02,544
Speaker 1: what's happening or is this an Oscars thing? Okay, it

774
00:43:02,664 --> 00:43:09,584
Speaker 1: is definitely an Oscars thing, because remember, like the Cooper

775
00:43:10,544 --> 00:43:13,504
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga like, you've got to keep playing the characters

776
00:43:13,664 --> 00:43:16,624
Speaker 1: yep out of the context of the movie. I don't

777
00:43:16,664 --> 00:43:19,384
Speaker 1: know why. I don't know who invented that rule, but

778
00:43:19,464 --> 00:43:22,264
Speaker 1: someone did. The other thing is people think that they're

779
00:43:22,304 --> 00:43:26,944
Speaker 1: going a little bit earnest because when Barbie did the

780
00:43:26,944 --> 00:43:30,464
Speaker 1: press too, it was very light, and Barbie didn't remember.

781
00:43:30,544 --> 00:43:33,064
Speaker 1: Barbie got snubbed for quite a lot of nominations. I

782
00:43:33,104 --> 00:43:35,584
Speaker 1: wonder too, if it ends with us felt too light

783
00:43:35,624 --> 00:43:37,544
Speaker 1: given its subject matter. Yeah, and they're like, well, you

784
00:43:37,544 --> 00:43:39,984
Speaker 1: know what, we're gonna go too hard. Yeah, we're gonna

785
00:43:39,984 --> 00:43:42,344
Speaker 1: make this it's about a witch. Yeah, but we're just

786
00:43:42,344 --> 00:43:44,544
Speaker 1: gonna weep. But we're gonna weep as though this is

787
00:43:44,584 --> 00:43:47,304
Speaker 1: about like the end of time. Yes, this is about

788
00:43:47,304 --> 00:43:50,224
Speaker 1: the apocalypse, Clara, I want to move on to the

789
00:43:50,264 --> 00:43:52,704
Speaker 1: actual movie, and I just think quick fire just notes

790
00:43:53,184 --> 00:43:55,904
Speaker 1: notes that we had first out. What did you think?

791
00:43:55,944 --> 00:43:58,464
Speaker 1: What do you make of it? I was moved. I

792
00:43:58,504 --> 00:44:01,944
Speaker 1: actually loved every moment I held space. I really enjoyed it.

793
00:44:02,064 --> 00:44:03,744
Speaker 1: I held space with Jonathan Bailey. I'll tell you that

794
00:44:04,184 --> 00:44:07,184
Speaker 1: sexy boys, very sexy. And you didn't know what a

795
00:44:07,264 --> 00:44:09,944
Speaker 1: Jonathan Bailey means until the movie, and I kept yelling

796
00:44:10,024 --> 00:44:12,744
Speaker 1: at you things like Bridgeton, and you were like, own

797
00:44:12,744 --> 00:44:16,544
Speaker 1: watch Bridgeton and then you understood, didn't you? You're so sexy. Yeah.

798
00:44:16,984 --> 00:44:20,384
Speaker 1: I genuinely loved every moment. Didn't look at my phone once.

799
00:44:20,944 --> 00:44:24,064
Speaker 1: Absolute perfection. I did not expect to feel that because

800
00:44:24,144 --> 00:44:28,424
Speaker 1: I am cynical and resistant in that when the culture

801
00:44:28,504 --> 00:44:30,784
Speaker 1: is looking at something and praising it, I'm like, not me.

802
00:44:30,984 --> 00:44:33,064
Speaker 1: I'm too good for that. And I went into it

803
00:44:33,624 --> 00:44:36,024
Speaker 1: thinking that I wouldn't enjoy it, and I loved it.

804
00:44:36,104 --> 00:44:38,144
Speaker 1: I thought there were some strong moments and okay, well

805
00:44:38,144 --> 00:44:41,184
Speaker 1: what could be cut down? Okay, what strong moments. I

806
00:44:41,344 --> 00:44:44,344
Speaker 1: liked the song popular because I knew that from TikTok. Yeah,

807
00:44:44,344 --> 00:44:46,744
Speaker 1: and I liked the song Defying Gravity. Yeah, did you

808
00:44:46,944 --> 00:44:50,104
Speaker 1: like that? The dance with Ariana and Cynthia where they

809
00:44:50,264 --> 00:44:52,584
Speaker 1: like I thought they did, but I kept I had

810
00:44:52,584 --> 00:44:54,984
Speaker 1: been told there was a scene ah that you know

811
00:44:55,224 --> 00:44:57,624
Speaker 1: made everyone cry, And I did get to the end

812
00:44:57,704 --> 00:44:59,544
Speaker 1: and say, what was that scene? And did I miss it?

813
00:44:59,624 --> 00:44:59,824
Speaker 5: Oh?

814
00:44:59,864 --> 00:45:02,184
Speaker 1: Because I didn't cry during that. I did think early

815
00:45:02,224 --> 00:45:05,064
Speaker 1: on a plot hole I had. I had an issue

816
00:45:05,104 --> 00:45:06,544
Speaker 1: with the plot. I've got a plot. I'll go Okay,

817
00:45:07,104 --> 00:45:11,304
Speaker 1: Glinda paid for her own sweet. She at the college,

818
00:45:11,384 --> 00:45:13,264
Speaker 1: she was meant to have her own sweet. And then

819
00:45:13,264 --> 00:45:16,104
Speaker 1: we've got Alphabra over here not paying. I don't know

820
00:45:16,104 --> 00:45:18,984
Speaker 1: how she's enrolled because she didn't enroll, she didn't pay.

821
00:45:19,184 --> 00:45:21,224
Speaker 1: She should have been sharing with her sister. Well, shouldn't

822
00:45:21,224 --> 00:45:23,944
Speaker 1: have even been there, really, And then you've paid for

823
00:45:23,984 --> 00:45:26,184
Speaker 1: your own room and you get a room mate. How

824
00:45:26,224 --> 00:45:31,544
Speaker 1: did Alphaba have any clothes because she didn't back a suitcase? Wow? Right,

825
00:45:31,744 --> 00:45:35,144
Speaker 1: there weren't any shops that I saw. Yeah? Yeah, it

826
00:45:35,224 --> 00:45:38,224
Speaker 1: wasn't a great makeover, was it. When Glinda makes her over,

827
00:45:38,584 --> 00:45:41,104
Speaker 1: she looks very much the same she does. I kept

828
00:45:41,104 --> 00:45:42,824
Speaker 1: thinking about the green makeup and how they would have

829
00:45:42,904 --> 00:45:46,824
Speaker 1: needed like green Bronzer. I also thought about when she smiled,

830
00:45:46,864 --> 00:45:48,224
Speaker 1: the wonder if she got green in her teeth. You

831
00:45:48,264 --> 00:45:49,824
Speaker 1: know how you get lipstick on your tak Yeah yeah,

832
00:45:49,864 --> 00:45:52,784
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Also her lips were green as well. I know,

833
00:45:53,224 --> 00:45:55,104
Speaker 1: but that's why I thought, it's amazing that it never

834
00:45:55,144 --> 00:45:56,904
Speaker 1: gets on there. Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And then I

835
00:45:56,984 --> 00:45:59,104
Speaker 1: also thought she would be going home after filming and

836
00:45:59,144 --> 00:46:02,144
Speaker 1: they'd just be green in a hairline. Yeah, it's so annoying,

837
00:46:02,304 --> 00:46:05,744
Speaker 1: very much. My plot hole was that dance scene that

838
00:46:05,824 --> 00:46:10,944
Speaker 1: everybody's been talking about. Ha, Why why the dance? Where

839
00:46:10,944 --> 00:46:14,264
Speaker 1: did the dance come from? Why did she start dancing?

840
00:46:14,664 --> 00:46:16,704
Speaker 1: I think that it was meant to show that she

841
00:46:16,864 --> 00:46:20,704
Speaker 1: was attempting to do a dance and like do something cool,

842
00:46:20,744 --> 00:46:23,664
Speaker 1: and it was meant to be weird and unusual, and

843
00:46:23,664 --> 00:46:27,184
Speaker 1: everyone's laughing at her, and then Glinda is like, no,

844
00:46:27,264 --> 00:46:29,264
Speaker 1: I got that. I got the inclusiveness, I got the

845
00:46:29,264 --> 00:46:31,504
Speaker 1: beauty of the moment. It's meant to be symbolic. I

846
00:46:31,544 --> 00:46:33,384
Speaker 1: got the beauty of the moment. I just it was

847
00:46:33,424 --> 00:46:37,984
Speaker 1: more the inciting incident of that scene that I was

848
00:46:38,024 --> 00:46:40,304
Speaker 1: a bit confused. You walk in, You're wearing a funny hat.

849
00:46:40,344 --> 00:46:44,144
Speaker 1: Everyone laughed at you. Do you start so true? Actually

850
00:46:44,384 --> 00:46:46,464
Speaker 1: start dancing? Or do you run away?

851
00:46:46,544 --> 00:46:46,784
Speaker 5: Yeah?

852
00:46:46,824 --> 00:46:48,744
Speaker 1: So true? I also wanted to just put it on

853
00:46:48,824 --> 00:46:51,544
Speaker 1: the record. Did you know that Universal had two musicals

854
00:46:51,544 --> 00:46:53,384
Speaker 1: that they had the rights to. They've had the rights

855
00:46:53,384 --> 00:46:55,944
Speaker 1: to Wicked forever. Super fans have been waiting for this

856
00:46:55,984 --> 00:47:00,944
Speaker 1: for decades, and in twenty nineteen, well a little bit

857
00:47:00,944 --> 00:47:02,704
Speaker 1: before that, they were like, we get to decide whether

858
00:47:02,744 --> 00:47:04,504
Speaker 1: we do Wicked, and they pushed Wicked back. Do you

859
00:47:04,504 --> 00:47:08,864
Speaker 1: know why they pushed Wicked back? Because they prioritize catsh

860
00:47:09,664 --> 00:47:15,544
Speaker 1: a prioritize cats? What can you imagine getting that caliber

861
00:47:15,824 --> 00:47:19,824
Speaker 1: of cast making them all look like cats? What's the point.

862
00:47:20,064 --> 00:47:22,624
Speaker 1: What's the point of James Corden got a Rebel Wilson,

863
00:47:22,664 --> 00:47:24,904
Speaker 1: we have Jennifer Hudson, We've got a Taylor Swift. Don't

864
00:47:24,944 --> 00:47:27,144
Speaker 1: know who's who? They all look like cats. Judy Dench's

865
00:47:27,144 --> 00:47:31,744
Speaker 1: in it, no how humiliated. Cats is never it? Cats

866
00:47:31,824 --> 00:47:33,744
Speaker 1: is never it. But it's confusing because it has been

867
00:47:33,784 --> 00:47:35,704
Speaker 1: on Broadway for a really long time. It's like rent,

868
00:47:35,784 --> 00:47:38,224
Speaker 1: I don't think you don't have to turn it into

869
00:47:38,224 --> 00:47:41,544
Speaker 1: a movie. Claire, it is time for charges and sentences.

870
00:47:44,464 --> 00:47:47,864
Speaker 1: You can go first, my charge. Firstly, I actually am

871
00:47:47,944 --> 00:47:50,784
Speaker 1: here for holding his face for the lyrics of fine gravity.

872
00:47:51,344 --> 00:47:54,944
Speaker 1: Have you done it since last night? Not actively, but

873
00:47:55,064 --> 00:47:57,464
Speaker 1: as you said in the moment, Okay, yeah I did.

874
00:47:58,344 --> 00:48:01,224
Speaker 1: I really I was moved. I think it's an excellent

875
00:48:01,264 --> 00:48:03,784
Speaker 1: work of art. I would say to anyone who thinks

876
00:48:04,024 --> 00:48:06,664
Speaker 1: they're not gonna like it. I expected to be bored.

877
00:48:06,704 --> 00:48:09,864
Speaker 1: I was not bored. I was thoroughly entertaining the whole time.

878
00:48:09,904 --> 00:48:12,744
Speaker 1: I want to Wicked themed theme park. Have I said

879
00:48:12,784 --> 00:48:14,824
Speaker 1: yet that I had to leave two thirds of the

880
00:48:14,824 --> 00:48:17,544
Speaker 1: way through to get another snack? No, I can't remember

881
00:48:17,584 --> 00:48:19,824
Speaker 1: because I'm so tired. Yeah, but I got Crispy Eminem's.

882
00:48:19,824 --> 00:48:21,064
Speaker 1: But it was a bit that I was like, if

883
00:48:21,064 --> 00:48:22,544
Speaker 1: we've got another hour, I might as well get some

884
00:48:22,624 --> 00:48:26,344
Speaker 1: M and ms. My charge is to do with the earnestness.

885
00:48:27,504 --> 00:48:32,144
Speaker 1: I think we really have to interrogate these press tours

886
00:48:32,504 --> 00:48:36,064
Speaker 1: because what we need to acknowledge is that that's a movie.

887
00:48:36,104 --> 00:48:40,904
Speaker 1: These are characters. Yeah right, it's not real, alphabat as

888
00:48:40,944 --> 00:48:45,824
Speaker 1: a baby fiction, she's green, Yeah, she's green. Yeah, it's

889
00:48:45,984 --> 00:48:51,424
Speaker 1: not real. No stories powerful make us feel all of

890
00:48:52,064 --> 00:48:54,624
Speaker 1: human life is really just a story. Yeah right, but

891
00:48:54,784 --> 00:48:59,784
Speaker 1: it is a story. Okay, okay, and I do go. No,

892
00:49:00,184 --> 00:49:06,824
Speaker 1: I need more press tours where people show up as themselves,

893
00:49:07,104 --> 00:49:09,624
Speaker 1: not the character. You don't want that, No, I do

894
00:49:09,624 --> 00:49:11,704
Speaker 1: don't want that now. I think Black Lava did that.

895
00:49:11,744 --> 00:49:15,024
Speaker 1: She got in so much trouble. Yeah, No, that was different.

896
00:49:15,344 --> 00:49:18,464
Speaker 1: That was different because she was actually showing up as

897
00:49:18,584 --> 00:49:21,584
Speaker 1: whatever her name was, because she was all flowery. Is

898
00:49:22,024 --> 00:49:24,544
Speaker 1: that your sentence? No, no, no, sorry, okay. My sentence

899
00:49:24,664 --> 00:49:28,024
Speaker 1: is show up as who you are and show us,

900
00:49:28,064 --> 00:49:31,344
Speaker 1: if you're making an OSCARS campaign, right, show us what

901
00:49:31,384 --> 00:49:35,584
Speaker 1: a good actor you were by being yourself so that

902
00:49:35,624 --> 00:49:38,464
Speaker 1: we can see how you transform yourself. We don't think

903
00:49:38,464 --> 00:49:44,144
Speaker 1: you're acting. We don't think Ariana Grande is Glinda. And yeah, yeah, Ariana,

904
00:49:44,664 --> 00:49:48,064
Speaker 1: go back to your brown hair, go back to your like,

905
00:49:48,144 --> 00:49:51,904
Speaker 1: go back to that start. You're weird feud with Mariah Carey,

906
00:49:52,264 --> 00:49:55,864
Speaker 1: you know, like be somebody who's very distinct from Glinda.

907
00:49:56,104 --> 00:49:58,744
Speaker 1: It's like when you see the Oppenheimer pressed to her,

908
00:49:58,904 --> 00:50:02,184
Speaker 1: and it's like that guy's accents different. Whoa you did

909
00:50:02,224 --> 00:50:06,224
Speaker 1: an accent? Yeah, Alphabet in the movie has an American accent. Yeah,

910
00:50:06,344 --> 00:50:10,264
Speaker 1: And Cynthia Arrivo has a British accent blows my mind incredible.

911
00:50:10,664 --> 00:50:14,384
Speaker 1: So be yourself, be your authentic self. Yeah, you don't

912
00:50:14,424 --> 00:50:18,384
Speaker 1: have to be Alphava on your Instagram in interviews. Yep,

913
00:50:18,864 --> 00:50:21,864
Speaker 1: and I think I will say, we don't need to

914
00:50:21,864 --> 00:50:26,664
Speaker 1: be profoundly moved by everything. Okay, my charge, I interrogated this.

915
00:50:26,704 --> 00:50:29,504
Speaker 1: I feel left out. Ah, I feel profoundly left out

916
00:50:29,504 --> 00:50:31,864
Speaker 1: by this whole thing. Mm hmm. It's making me uncomfortable.

917
00:50:31,864 --> 00:50:33,944
Speaker 1: It's making me defensive. Yeah. I just had a meeting

918
00:50:33,984 --> 00:50:36,064
Speaker 1: with someone in the office who was quite frustrated that

919
00:50:36,144 --> 00:50:38,544
Speaker 1: I don't get it. No, I don't get it. People

920
00:50:38,544 --> 00:50:41,464
Speaker 1: are annoyed. It's creating a why are all the gen

921
00:50:41,584 --> 00:50:44,064
Speaker 1: Z's crying? Yeah, that's what she said. And Okay, no,

922
00:50:44,184 --> 00:50:47,224
Speaker 1: I get that. My sentence is send me the link.

923
00:50:48,024 --> 00:50:52,504
Speaker 1: I feel as though before this we were all reading something. Yeah.

924
00:50:52,584 --> 00:50:55,184
Speaker 1: I didn't know we had recently gone back to watch

925
00:50:55,224 --> 00:50:57,464
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirty nine Wizard of Oz, did we?

926
00:50:57,584 --> 00:50:57,744
Speaker 5: Oh?

927
00:50:57,784 --> 00:51:00,264
Speaker 1: I didn't. I think some people on TikTok did. Yeah.

928
00:51:00,344 --> 00:51:02,424
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a reading list like you get

929
00:51:02,424 --> 00:51:06,784
Speaker 1: at UNI. There's the law, yeah, but going to need

930
00:51:06,904 --> 00:51:10,184
Speaker 1: you to talk. Mere's like there's like the course Wicked

931
00:51:10,464 --> 00:51:14,464
Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz and I'll the Vibe course. I'll still

932
00:51:14,464 --> 00:51:17,504
Speaker 1: a weekend course. Send it to me, I'll pack you. Yeah, yep.

933
00:51:17,904 --> 00:51:20,904
Speaker 1: But I need to feel part of something. I've got

934
00:51:20,904 --> 00:51:23,464
Speaker 1: a year now till the next part comes out. I

935
00:51:23,464 --> 00:51:25,544
Speaker 1: would like to be a part of it. I'd like

936
00:51:25,584 --> 00:51:27,544
Speaker 1: to be on it. I'd like to see the Easter eggs.

937
00:51:27,584 --> 00:51:31,344
Speaker 1: I do often feel out of the loop in cultural

938
00:51:31,384 --> 00:51:36,064
Speaker 1: moments like this, where I go, I don't know who

939
00:51:36,104 --> 00:51:38,824
Speaker 1: these people are. I didn't know that this was Ariana

940
00:51:38,824 --> 00:51:42,464
Speaker 1: Grande's dream role. I didn't. I simply didn't know any

941
00:51:42,504 --> 00:51:45,024
Speaker 1: of it. No, No, I don't like that, all right, Jess,

942
00:51:45,144 --> 00:51:47,624
Speaker 1: I've got a lazy girl story. Who's from This is

943
00:51:47,624 --> 00:51:51,664
Speaker 1: from Olivia. She's a lazy girl. Lazy girl here. I

944
00:51:51,664 --> 00:51:54,664
Speaker 1: would say I'm average height, but my pant length would

945
00:51:54,704 --> 00:51:58,024
Speaker 1: say otherwise. I simply will not be hamming my pants,

946
00:51:58,144 --> 00:52:01,424
Speaker 1: no matter their length. I tried stapling them up, but

947
00:52:01,464 --> 00:52:03,944
Speaker 1: the staples fell out or cut my ankles. This is

948
00:52:04,064 --> 00:52:07,584
Speaker 1: very Ariana. Yeah. So now I only wear my long

949
00:52:07,624 --> 00:52:10,544
Speaker 1: pants in winter and will wear my heeled boots so

950
00:52:10,624 --> 00:52:13,144
Speaker 1: that they only just touched the floor. Find me a

951
00:52:13,184 --> 00:52:15,704
Speaker 1: lazy girl who's ever gone to an alterationist. Everyone's like,

952
00:52:15,744 --> 00:52:19,704
Speaker 1: I just get it altered? Where how much? With what time?

953
00:52:20,224 --> 00:52:21,984
Speaker 1: How did you remember to go and then to pick

954
00:52:21,984 --> 00:52:25,664
Speaker 1: it up? Yeah. My other thing is one time I

955
00:52:25,704 --> 00:52:27,864
Speaker 1: saw somebody and they say, oh, I just get my jeans,

956
00:52:28,664 --> 00:52:32,464
Speaker 1: and I looked down and I went, they're too short.

957
00:52:32,744 --> 00:52:36,184
Speaker 1: They're just a little bit too short. And that I

958
00:52:36,304 --> 00:52:38,104
Speaker 1: imagine buying clothes and being like I would just get

959
00:52:38,104 --> 00:52:39,264
Speaker 1: those hemmed Yeah.

960
00:52:39,304 --> 00:52:39,744
Speaker 2: Wow.

961
00:52:39,904 --> 00:52:41,464
Speaker 1: I was thinking that the other day. I'll just write

962
00:52:41,504 --> 00:52:43,544
Speaker 1: out on a list and then go and go like

963
00:52:43,624 --> 00:52:44,864
Speaker 1: you on like a Saturday.

964
00:52:44,944 --> 00:52:45,104
Speaker 2: Yeah.

965
00:52:45,184 --> 00:52:48,144
Speaker 1: I was going to order some clothes online and I

966
00:52:48,184 --> 00:52:49,864
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I can never buy stuff online because

967
00:52:49,864 --> 00:52:51,904
Speaker 1: it just never fits properly. I was like, I guess

968
00:52:51,904 --> 00:52:54,344
Speaker 1: I could get it older. And I was like, you know,

969
00:52:54,424 --> 00:52:57,424
Speaker 1: speaking of laser girls. Look, recently, my husband went to

970
00:52:57,664 --> 00:52:59,784
Speaker 1: an alterationist because got holes in both his pockets. Every

971
00:52:59,824 --> 00:53:01,544
Speaker 1: time I put his phone in his pockets, it falls

972
00:53:01,544 --> 00:53:04,304
Speaker 1: down into his stock and it's it's veraking happy. Yeah,

973
00:53:04,344 --> 00:53:05,504
Speaker 1: And he went and he said, you think you can

974
00:53:05,544 --> 00:53:08,984
Speaker 1: sew my pocket's back up? Lady said no, why speaking

975
00:53:09,024 --> 00:53:12,584
Speaker 1: of a lazy girls, sim wonder I looked at it,

976
00:53:12,584 --> 00:53:15,824
Speaker 1: and I went, I can't sew, but I could sew together. Yeah,

977
00:53:15,944 --> 00:53:21,584
Speaker 1: stay for them seventy bar care And he doesn't know

978
00:53:21,584 --> 00:53:23,424
Speaker 1: how long it takes. He doesn't know how much this

979
00:53:23,504 --> 00:53:25,464
Speaker 1: has meant to Coss. I got a couple of things

980
00:53:25,504 --> 00:53:30,904
Speaker 1: altered for my wedding, and I remember thinking, Lady, I'm

981
00:53:30,944 --> 00:53:34,064
Speaker 1: being taken for a ride, aren't I? But this is

982
00:53:34,064 --> 00:53:36,624
Speaker 1: my wedding and therefore I will spend thousands of dollars

983
00:53:36,664 --> 00:53:40,984
Speaker 1: on absurdities before we go. I also wanted to ask

984
00:53:41,064 --> 00:53:44,104
Speaker 1: our canceled listeners, if you like this show, then please

985
00:53:44,184 --> 00:53:46,544
Speaker 1: leave us a review, because we have got some that

986
00:53:46,584 --> 00:53:49,224
Speaker 1: have really tickled us. Oh, they make us live. Did

987
00:53:49,264 --> 00:53:51,744
Speaker 1: you see some of these recently, Claire, We've got some

988
00:53:51,784 --> 00:53:55,184
Speaker 1: great new reviews from canceled listeners that just make me giggle.

989
00:53:55,504 --> 00:53:58,744
Speaker 1: We got this review from Jordan L. Morris. It is

990
00:53:58,824 --> 00:54:01,184
Speaker 1: fight Stuff and it says it's weird what they do,

991
00:54:01,744 --> 00:54:04,584
Speaker 1: weird as in good. It's very specific what they do

992
00:54:05,104 --> 00:54:09,224
Speaker 1: and unique, and I appreciate them. What episode are you

993
00:54:09,384 --> 00:54:12,544
Speaker 1: joking that you don't remember what that's from? That was

994
00:54:12,864 --> 00:54:20,384
Speaker 1: The Sexy Boy Andrew Garfield, Amelia de Moltenburg, and we

995
00:54:20,464 --> 00:54:22,824
Speaker 1: said it would be the biggest compliment if somebody said

996
00:54:22,824 --> 00:54:26,504
Speaker 1: that to us. That's really kind, I know, actually really kind.

997
00:54:26,544 --> 00:54:29,464
Speaker 1: We have canceled law, Yeah, we do. There are a

998
00:54:29,464 --> 00:54:32,024
Speaker 1: couple of things today that are almost was going to

999
00:54:32,024 --> 00:54:34,504
Speaker 1: bring up previous episodes, and then I think, oh, it's

1000
00:54:34,584 --> 00:54:37,904
Speaker 1: just too confusing for new listeners, and then I think, listener,

1001
00:54:40,584 --> 00:54:43,064
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. The producer have

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Speaker 1: Canceled is Kimberly Bradish, with audio production by Leaporges. Bye Bye,