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Speaker 3: Is her background, and is her value system Catholic?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: Is that it because a lot.
Speaker 1: Of everyone's value spitalism.
Speaker 3: Well, some of us are atleast trying to resist, but
Speaker 3: I wonder if not so great.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia out Loud and to Friday,
Speaker 2: where we talk about anything other than the news cycle.
Speaker 2: Today it's the fourteenth of March, and my name is Hollywayne, right, I'm.
Speaker 4: Mea Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 2: And on the show today, take my money and tell
Speaker 2: me what to do, the irresistible pool of self help
Speaker 2: gurus and why there's only one right now who has
Speaker 2: absolutely met her moment, Mel Robins. Also in recommendations today,
Speaker 2: we've got books for you to read and a hat
Speaker 2: to wear while reading them. And our best and worst
Speaker 2: the week include terrible parenting, choices, flat social batteries, and
Speaker 2: musical theater. But first me, in case you missed it,
Speaker 2: married people are more likely to masturbate than people living alone.
Speaker 4: This is surprising to me.
Speaker 2: I don't think it is surprised.
Speaker 4: Why is it not surprising?
Speaker 2: How long have you been married?
Speaker 1: I'm leaving it at that. We came across a list
Speaker 1: of fun sex facts that I wanted to share with
Speaker 1: the group. This is my favorite. According to the Kinsey Institute,
Speaker 1: the average speed of sperm during ejaculation is forty five
Speaker 1: kilometers per hour.
Speaker 2: Sounds dangerous. Wow, sounds like it could take an eye out.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't be in a school zone, I mean obviously, because
Speaker 1: you'll get you get it fine, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: It's fine if it's after well, no, you shouldn't. You
Speaker 4: shouldn't be in a school zone.
Speaker 1: Now what if you just what if you're inside your
Speaker 1: house but your house is within a school. A teaspoon
Speaker 1: moving on. A teaspoon of semen contains five calories, and
Speaker 1: a sperm takes one hour to swim seventeen centimeters, which
Speaker 1: I guess seventeen centimeter is probably all you need from
Speaker 1: your bag into the parts. Going any further, getting to alarm,
Speaker 1: But it just seems quite slow, like an hour. Oh no,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't want one in your lung. No, you've got
Speaker 1: to stop, like, don't keep going. But I think it
Speaker 1: feels a bit slow. An hour it does, it does
Speaker 1: hurry along. Scientists are unsure why humans have pubic hair,
Speaker 1: but they theorize that the hair traps secretions that hold
Speaker 1: pheromones or sexual sense, so it's for the smell, special smell,
Speaker 1: a special smell. Men who help with housework tend to
Speaker 1: have more sex that really, statistics show, and women who
Speaker 1: have difficulty reaching an orgasm might just have cold feet,
Speaker 1: actual cold feet, because a study has found that giving
Speaker 1: women warm socks increase their chance of reaching.
Speaker 3: And all should always have bed socks on very sexy,
Speaker 3: maybe with.
Speaker 2: Yeah jewelry, like.
Speaker 4: Because that will really turn your partner on.
Speaker 1: I've noticed a lot of socks now I wanted to
Speaker 1: buy some more socks. Not so much for this reason,
Speaker 1: but can't hurt a lot of socks. They're called studio socks,
Speaker 1: and I assume they're for like doing pilates and stuff,
Speaker 1: or maybe doing sexual positions.
Speaker 2: Where we'd have to They've got little grips on the.
Speaker 1: Bottom, so I don't know. Maybe if you're like in
Speaker 1: an interesting position, having grips on the bottom of your
Speaker 1: warm socks would help.
Speaker 4: You could stick to a wall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Spider Man to the ceiling in the.
Speaker 2: Air Okay, all right, Friday Friday stuff spider Man.
Speaker 5: Spider Man, Spider can.
Speaker 1: Size just like guys.
Speaker 5: Been in a situation where maybe your buddies organize a
Speaker 5: golf trip and they don't include you, or the women
Speaker 5: in your life go away for a weekend and you're
Speaker 5: not invited, Or a friend, a friend that you adore,
Speaker 5: is dating a real asshole, somebody who's horrible for them.
Speaker 5: I mean, how much does you worrying about it? How
Speaker 5: is that going to change anything? It's not How does
Speaker 5: spending two hundred hours talking to your friend about this
Speaker 5: horrible person over and over and over? How does that
Speaker 5: How it doesn't let them.
Speaker 2: The twenty tens had Brene Brown telling us all to
Speaker 2: be brave. The Naughties had Tony Robbins walking on hot coals.
Speaker 1: I didn't like that.
Speaker 2: That was way too much. Also, I know people who
Speaker 2: did it, though, I know people who did this. Ver
Speaker 2: cool voice loud.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The nineties had John Gray with his men are from Mars,
Speaker 2: women from Venale.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: I know you did.
Speaker 1: I thought that was great.
Speaker 2: This is one divisions in our relationship.
Speaker 4: May is such a basic news from Mars.
Speaker 2: I still talk about that a lot that book, and
Speaker 2: of course all the decades mostly Oprah. Every era has
Speaker 2: its Zeitgey self help guru, and twenty twenty five has
Speaker 2: unequivocally crowned mel Robins. Yes of let them fame, more
Speaker 2: about let them in a moment. Robin's podcast is currently
Speaker 2: the number one in Australia, which we're not at all
Speaker 2: bitter about because we're number three. Robins is huge. She's
Speaker 2: been doing this for a while, so she has been
Speaker 2: a life coach and a motivational speaker for over a
Speaker 2: decade and until this massive breakthrough moment, she'd built an
Speaker 2: empire from kind of really down home, like kind of
Speaker 2: like your grandma would have told you this advice. So
Speaker 2: it's quite.
Speaker 1: Bossy, Like I've been chusing her for probably more than
Speaker 1: five years. And she had a ted talk that went viral.
Speaker 4: About the five second role procrastination.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's got a really great backstory which we'll
Speaker 1: get to in a second, a good origin story, and
Speaker 1: she's very sort of no nonsense.
Speaker 2: So she's like, jump out of bed in the morning
Speaker 2: and get outside, don't procrastinate, that's the five second rule.
Speaker 2: Think positively all the time. She's like, whether you think
Speaker 2: you can, or you think you can't. You're right like
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. A short walk solves most problems,
Speaker 2: make everyone else's day a little bit better. So very
Speaker 2: like solid white beddy kind of She's.
Speaker 1: Not wu Wu.
Speaker 2: She's not wu Wu. She's sold millions of books, She's
Speaker 2: had billions of podcast streams. A little tiny bit about
Speaker 2: her origin story before we get into the let them phenomena,
Speaker 2: because every guru needs one Robins's self reinvention. At forty one,
Speaker 2: she was unemployed. She'd gone broke from a failed business
Speaker 2: venture that left her and her husband with eight hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in debt. She says that she was miserable
Speaker 2: and unhappy. She said, my past was full of shitty behavior.
Speaker 2: I used to be a real competitive, insecure asshole, and
Speaker 2: I hurt people and blah blah blah. Right, Jesse, I
Speaker 2: don't know how to tell you this next bit because
Speaker 2: you're not gonna like it. Before she was a life
Speaker 2: coach and a motivational speaker. She was a criminal lawyer,
Speaker 2: and she was on happy and dissatisfied. So she's got
Speaker 2: a law degree. She was working as a criminal lawyer.
Speaker 2: She went to a life coach to say, what should
Speaker 2: I do with my life? I'm unhappy and dissatisfied. The
Speaker 2: life coach told her she should be a life coach,
Speaker 2: and so she launched, and so it begins, and her
Speaker 2: two self help companies and quickly and this reputation as
Speaker 2: a tough love personal improvement coach mia. Why is this
Speaker 2: Mel Robbins's moment?
Speaker 1: I think the news cycle has never been more intense
Speaker 1: than it's been sort of this past eighteen months, between
Speaker 1: war and Trump and algorithms, and everyone's just feeling very besieged.
Speaker 1: And what the let them theory is, and let them
Speaker 1: is about recognizing things you can't control. Essentially, it's about
Speaker 1: if if someone's not dating you and then not interested,
Speaker 1: let them not be interested. If you're partner wants to
Speaker 1: end the relationship, let them. If your kid hasn't taken
Speaker 1: his lunch to school again, let them be hungry. And
Speaker 1: it's that idea of personal empowerment, but in a very
Speaker 1: passive way.
Speaker 2: So what she's.
Speaker 1: Actually doing, I think everyone's so tired. Remember Cheryl Samberg,
Speaker 1: who is another bit of a self help guru, that
Speaker 1: was all about leaning. That was the girl Boss era,
Speaker 1: and that was hustle culture. Mel Robbins and let them
Speaker 1: is about lie down.
Speaker 2: It's about stop.
Speaker 1: Trying to change people, stop trying to change things, stop
Speaker 1: trying to control every outcome. Just accept what you can't
Speaker 1: change about others, like the Serenity prayer, and work on
Speaker 1: what you can change and what you can do. And
Speaker 1: I think that there's something really appealing about that. It's
Speaker 1: also short, it's simple. Her advice is not, as I said,
Speaker 1: it's not wu wu. It's not like soul food. It
Speaker 1: doesn't require a lot of self reflection. It's very practical.
Speaker 2: In fact, she doesn't really like self reflection much. Jesse,
Speaker 2: why do you think we're so addicted to being told
Speaker 2: what to do?
Speaker 3: I reckon we all feel woefully unqualified to make any
Speaker 3: decisions about our own lives. And I actually don't think
Speaker 3: that's entirely new. I was thinking about how my grandmother
Speaker 3: would have gone to her priest, and over the weekend
Speaker 3: we were at synagogue. Maya was speaking and a rabbi
Speaker 3: was on the panel, and I thought I would love
Speaker 3: an hour with a rabbi to just really corner her
Speaker 3: and got very wise, can you solve them? And this
Speaker 3: is still I mean, all over the world there are
Speaker 3: lots of religious people who turned to a monk or
Speaker 3: an or a a rabbi or a priest to help them,
Speaker 3: and I think that Mel Robbins has actually used a
Speaker 3: few techniques and language that mirrors this. For example, she
Speaker 3: often says I just happened to be the messenger. I
Speaker 3: just happened to be the messenger of this, which.
Speaker 4: Is very, very Jesus.
Speaker 3: And she has this email that she sends out and
Speaker 3: she says, in case nobody else tells you today, let
Speaker 3: me be the first to say that I love you,
Speaker 3: and I believe in you and your ability to create
Speaker 3: a better life. Unconditional love is nice, yes, but I
Speaker 3: think that the demise of religion has left a wide
Speaker 3: open hole.
Speaker 1: And we've filled it with celebrities for a little while,
Speaker 1: didn't they.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I.
Speaker 3: Think that there's still this sense of I don't know
Speaker 3: what to do. I was reading a few interviews with
Speaker 3: people who said, you know, this sounds weird, but I
Speaker 3: feel like she has my back. And when I've spoken
Speaker 3: to people who are very religious, the thing I'm most
Speaker 3: envious of is they say, I feel like someone's watching
Speaker 3: out for me, like someone has some greater plan, Like
Speaker 3: Mel Robbins will often say the universe has a plan
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, and so I think there's an element
Speaker 3: of that. But I guess the question I would ask
Speaker 3: is that when you have religious people say the priest
Speaker 3: answer you, or you go to them with a crisis,
Speaker 3: they have a methodology. They have centuries of texts and
Speaker 3: conversations and ethics and values that inform their answer. If
Speaker 3: you go to a psychologist, they have a methodology which
Speaker 3: is research based evidence. My worry about certain gurus is
Speaker 3: when you go, what's your methodology other than what sounds
Speaker 3: right and what feels right.
Speaker 1: And what's going to go viral and what's.
Speaker 3: Going to go viral? How do we know to trust you?
Speaker 3: Because where's this information coming from?
Speaker 2: What Mel Robbins is and all of those people that
Speaker 2: are listed at the beginning were they're just very good communicators, right,
Speaker 2: Because Mel Robbins is obviously smart. She's obviously smart, she's
Speaker 2: obviously experienced in this field. But what she's saying, and
Speaker 2: she says this herself, like I've been listening to it.
Speaker 2: I was listening to her quite a lot the other
Speaker 2: day on a long drive, and she'll say herself, this
Speaker 2: is all stuff your grandmother would have told you, if
Speaker 2: you'd have had the kind of grandmother who tells you
Speaker 2: things which in itself tells you something about the way
Speaker 2: our families are now. She said, I'm going to tell
Speaker 2: you in simple terms, and then I'm going to give
Speaker 2: you a trick to remember it. It's not that she's
Speaker 2: come up with all these brilliant ideas necessarily, but she's
Speaker 2: very good at packaging them, and she's very good at communicating,
Speaker 2: and that's the key. The thing that's interesting about it
Speaker 2: is that mel Robins and I'm distant criticism of her,
Speaker 2: like I find her advice very interesting and helpful lots
Speaker 2: of ways. But she doesn't really have you back, guys.
Speaker 2: She's just making a lot of money. She's doing not
Speaker 2: in a nefarious way. She's selling a product that people
Speaker 2: need and want. Because I think me is absolutely spot
Speaker 2: on when she's like, our lives feel out of control.
Speaker 2: Everything feels out of control. Even the most ordinary life
Speaker 2: has a lot of problems in it. We all have
Speaker 2: a lot of problems in five. And the thing that
Speaker 2: self help, over the decades that it's established itself as
Speaker 2: being very mainstream has convinced us off is that we
Speaker 2: can solve them. If only we tried harder, if only
Speaker 2: we got up earlier, if only we did whatever, then
Speaker 2: we can solve them. It's up to us. She's the
Speaker 2: same vein as all that, She's just packaged it a
Speaker 2: bit differently. It's interesting because she even starts her podcast
Speaker 2: by saying, Hi, it's your friend mel here, and it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, like I find that a tiny bit. I
Speaker 2: think maybe that's also because I'm not American that I
Speaker 2: find the tiny bit. I can see through it. You know.
Speaker 3: It's also that therapy speaking, psychobabble and all of that.
Speaker 3: It's ubiquitous everywhere at the moment. The rise of that
Speaker 3: has not dovetailed with a rise in accessibility. So everyone
Speaker 3: thinks they need a therapist, but most people can't afford one.
Speaker 2: So mel Ron know how to go about even getting no.
Speaker 3: So mel Robins can be your therapist for free. On
Speaker 3: that on she's trying to sell you something. I do
Speaker 3: wonder and I listen to a lot of her advice.
Speaker 3: I don't think she is the same as the other
Speaker 3: gurus because I look at Brene Brown, who had decades
Speaker 3: of expertise and academia and studies and she was saying
Speaker 3: something grounded in.
Speaker 4: Science, and she is still around, and she's still still.
Speaker 3: Around in a way that Mel Robbin's what she's saying
Speaker 3: isn't necessarily grounded in science, or at least she doesn't
Speaker 3: show us her working out. But she started as a
Speaker 3: business coach, and I think that that might be a
Speaker 3: clue to what her values.
Speaker 1: That's that you've just made me realize. That's how I
Speaker 1: found her. I was starting to look at around when
Speaker 1: I was doing ladies startup and I started to look
Speaker 1: at some of the women, other women in that space.
Speaker 1: This is probably more than five years ago now, and
Speaker 1: that's when I found her. It was about business, and
Speaker 1: it was about content creation and reaching an audience and
Speaker 1: doing all of those things.
Speaker 2: A clue to.
Speaker 3: What data or methodology she's bringing to her advice is
Speaker 3: her background? And is her value system capitalism?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: Is that it because a lot.
Speaker 1: Of see everyone's value system isism.
Speaker 4: Well, some of us are at least trying to resist.
Speaker 3: But I wonder if not so great because a lot
Speaker 3: of her advice is very, very individualistic. It's very if
Speaker 3: you help yourself, you'll help others ah, and that it's
Speaker 3: not systemic it's not institutional.
Speaker 2: It's about accountability.
Speaker 4: It's about accountability.
Speaker 1: And taking responsibility for yourself.
Speaker 3: One thing I think we've we've probably got to acknowledge
Speaker 3: is that a lot of the people who have reported
Speaker 3: on her and done features and gone and listened to
Speaker 3: her speak is Wow, that's a lot of white women.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that white women don't have problems or
Speaker 3: that they're not a legitimate market, but the fact that
Speaker 3: there is a sort of homogeneous market for her, I
Speaker 3: think says something about what the problems of the white
Speaker 3: woman is. And maybe it's that if you can feed
Speaker 3: your family and if you feel safe, and if you're
Speaker 3: a middle class woman in America, then you worry about X,
Speaker 3: Y and Z.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. What do you think You're
Speaker 2: not wrong about who her audience is. But I think,
Speaker 2: as I was saying before, every life is very complex.
Speaker 2: You only have to scratch the tiny surface of seed
Speaker 2: that what people are actually going through in terms of
Speaker 2: illness and divorce and money struggles and estrangement from family
Speaker 2: members and addiction issues like that applies to all of those.
Speaker 3: Do you think she appeals Is it as simple as
Speaker 3: she's a white woman, so she looks like I think.
Speaker 2: She's very palatable and packageable. She's like, you know, blonde
Speaker 2: and attractive. But I just think she's a really good communicator.
Speaker 2: I think that she's ading to and I think the
Speaker 2: meeting her moment thing I think me nails it about
Speaker 2: let them and the uncontrollable moment. But also it's interesting
Speaker 2: is she's a political right I've listened to a lot
Speaker 2: of interviews with her. She can have a bit of
Speaker 2: a snipe about Trump, but she's smart enough to know
Speaker 2: that that's a lot of her market. So she's kind
Speaker 2: of she's talking to sort of every woman in a way,
Speaker 2: like every woman, I'm sure, as you say, this is
Speaker 2: definitely a demographic there, but she's not alienating anyone. She's
Speaker 2: not making everything political. It's kind of like a mix
Speaker 2: of This is quite soothing to listen to, and also
Speaker 2: you've end up listening to her and you're like, yes,
Speaker 2: I am going to get up at six o'clock. Yes
Speaker 2: I am going to talk to myself in the mirror
Speaker 2: like somebody who likes themselves and all those things.
Speaker 1: So two of her other philosophies in addition to let
Speaker 1: them one is the high five trick, and it's every
Speaker 1: morning you get up, you brush your teeth, and you
Speaker 1: look in the mirror and you give yourself a high five.
Speaker 1: Our production team are just high fiving each other now
Speaker 1: as we speak. But her point is that we are programmed.
Speaker 1: When you give a high five gesture, you are positive,
Speaker 1: you are active, you are all of those things, and
Speaker 1: by doing that, you can't not be, so it almost
Speaker 1: tricks you, no matter how bad you're feeling. The other
Speaker 1: one is the five second rule for stopping procrastination, and
Speaker 1: that is to literally say to yourself, I'm going to
Speaker 1: count down from five to zero, and when I get
Speaker 1: to zero, I'm going to do it. Whether it's getting
Speaker 1: up out of bed, answering an email, calling someone, you always.
Speaker 3: Speak, but going back to the gap that's been left.
Speaker 3: And to be clear, when I talk about my my
Speaker 3: nan going to the priest, yeah, he was always a man,
Speaker 3: and there are so many limitations issues.
Speaker 2: With you go with their own agenda to their own agenda.
Speaker 1: And didn't he pretty much The answer was always say
Speaker 1: Hail Mary's and you know, go back and look after
Speaker 1: your children, Tino of your life.
Speaker 3: Well, not necessarily of someone's life, but I'm thinking even
Speaker 3: about the rabbi is they have these scriptures in these books,
Speaker 3: and underpinning a lot of it was this sense of
Speaker 3: community and social cohesion, a lot.
Speaker 1: Of what or it's your fault or it's.
Speaker 3: Your fault, and let's not forget the homophobia and the
Speaker 3: sexism and all that and putting that to the side
Speaker 3: for a minute. Mel Robbins, I mean, high fiving the
Speaker 3: mirror isn't going to change the world.
Speaker 1: But it's not trying to. That's what self help is.
Speaker 1: Self help isn't about helping other people. And I think
Speaker 1: that's another reason why she's met the moment. I think
Speaker 1: that two things. For the last few years, we've seen
Speaker 1: a real rise in victim culture where whoever's got the
Speaker 1: biggest hardship wins, and there's a real sense of your
Speaker 1: wounds are your evidence or is the greatest most important
Speaker 1: part of you? Your wounds bring status, your disadvantages bring status.
Speaker 1: She's very much the opposite of that. She's very much
Speaker 1: like there's nothing to be said for walloweing there's strength
Speaker 1: in making change, and you can't change systemic inequality, you
Speaker 1: can't change the economy.
Speaker 4: I think that that's a paladin.
Speaker 1: As an individual You can't. But what you can do
Speaker 1: is get out of bed in the morning, high five yourself,
Speaker 1: and feel better. And we know that the key to
Speaker 1: making any positive change, whether it's outside your life or
Speaker 1: inside your life, is feeling good. If you feel miserable
Speaker 1: and your self esteem is low and you're procrastinating, you're
Speaker 1: of no good to anyone.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 3: But I think that there's a difference between Brene Brown, right,
Speaker 3: it was all about vulnerability and connection. Interestingly is Mel
Speaker 3: Robins because in saying let them, there's a bit of
Speaker 3: siloing there, which is sort of like I'm going to
Speaker 3: do my thing. And I listened to a bunch of
Speaker 3: Mel Robins in preparation for this, and I like her.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to I've just got some questions about
Speaker 3: what she says. She uses the word winning a lot,
Speaker 3: and like you are going to be the winner and
Speaker 3: the past you would have been a loser and all
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. And I'm just a little bit
Speaker 3: allergic to the individualism of her.
Speaker 1: But that's your self help.
Speaker 2: Is I understand exactly what you mean, though, Jesse, Because
Speaker 2: although I'm a big believer that a short walk solves
Speaker 2: every problem, and getting out of bed blah blah. But
Speaker 2: it is true that it's not going to solve all
Speaker 2: the problems in the world. To pull yourself up by
Speaker 2: your bootstraps, just toughen up and get on with it.
Speaker 2: Really isn't helpful in lots of situations, but it is
Speaker 2: helpful in some small situations. And I think that me
Speaker 2: is right that what we're talking about here, and what
Speaker 2: Mel Robbins is addressing, is what can you control what's
Speaker 2: in your circle influence. I don't think that means you
Speaker 2: shouldn't be thinking about inequality, and I don't think that
Speaker 2: means she shouldn't be thinking about how do I make
Speaker 2: a difference to the world. I think that that's a
Speaker 2: very important thing to be thinking about. But in terms
Speaker 2: of you and your world, that's where Mel Robins has
Speaker 2: some answers for you. Whether or not she's about connection,
Speaker 2: she does talk about it. She does talk about I've
Speaker 2: listened to some of the podcasts where she's like, obviously
Speaker 2: it's great to be rich and successful and all those things,
Speaker 2: but she's like, but do you want to be standing
Speaker 2: on the top of the mountain alone? Really, we're all
Speaker 2: about our people around us. Really, those messages are all
Speaker 2: quite similar in the end, how loud is in a moment,
Speaker 2: something to read, something to wear, and something to listen to.
Speaker 6: It's our recommendations, vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun.
Speaker 1: This is my best recommendation.
Speaker 2: It's right.
Speaker 1: So we're going to help set up your weekend with
Speaker 1: our best recommendations. Holly, what am I doing?
Speaker 2: Okay? So I just finished listening to a beautiful book.
Speaker 2: You know how people often say, how do you guys
Speaker 2: read and listen to and watch things. I've hacked away
Speaker 2: to read two books at once. I listened to one
Speaker 2: and I read another. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. I've
Speaker 2: been listening to a book that isn't new, but it's
Speaker 2: sort of back in the zeitgeist because later this year
Speaker 2: a movies coming out of this book that stars Jillian Anderson,
Speaker 2: who's obviously a goddess of great status, and it's called
Speaker 2: The Salt Path and it's British book and it's by
Speaker 2: this woman called rain and Win, so she narrates it.
Speaker 2: And the reason that I was listening to it is
Speaker 2: somebody recommended it to me who I interviewed on mid
Speaker 2: and it's about this woman. It's kind of think of
Speaker 2: like Wild where Cheryl Strayed went off and walked that
Speaker 2: big track on her own to find herself and cure
Speaker 2: herself with alcoholism. This is about this English couple who
Speaker 2: lose everything. They've got grown up kids who are going
Speaker 2: after university. They're like comfy middle class people. Actually, mel
Speaker 2: Robins would have a lot to say to these people.
Speaker 2: They live a comfy middle class life. They've been living
Speaker 2: on this beautiful farm in Wales for like twenty years
Speaker 2: and they've restored it and it's their world, and they
Speaker 2: lose it all in a scam. They literally are penniless
Speaker 2: and they're at this point in the life going what
Speaker 2: are we going to do? They decide that rather than
Speaker 2: take a council house, which they do and will end
Speaker 2: up doing eventually, I'm sure, but they go on a
Speaker 2: long walk and they basically become homeless. But instead of
Speaker 2: being homeless in the city and in the system, they
Speaker 2: just put backpacks on and walk.
Speaker 1: It's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a memoir. It's true. It's one hundred
Speaker 2: percent true.
Speaker 1: Like proper Grainer and the other.
Speaker 2: Thing that happens just before they do this, So they
Speaker 2: lose everything they've ever owned, and then moth he's the
Speaker 2: husband gets diagnosed with an incurable degenerative disease, so everything's
Speaker 2: gone to shit. They're fifty and they're like, what do
Speaker 2: we do? And their kids obviously think they're crazy. They're
Speaker 2: grown up kids. They put their backpacks on and they
Speaker 2: walk on this really long walk. Now, the book is
Speaker 2: really interesting because it makes you think about lots of things.
Speaker 2: It sounds a bit like a classic like spiritual finding
Speaker 2: yourself story, and it kind of is great. But because
Speaker 2: they're literally broke while they're doing this, they can't eat.
Speaker 2: They get something like thirty pounds a fortnight put in
Speaker 2: their bank account by like the pension or something, so
Speaker 2: they're hanging out for that. So they're like trying to
Speaker 2: find ways to literally survive. They can only comp places
Speaker 2: that are free. They do lots of frankly quite irresponsible,
Speaker 2: like verging on illegal things. He's got this terrible illness.
Speaker 2: He's getting worse. Like it's such an amazing book that
Speaker 2: listening to it. The woman Rayna Winn who wrote it
Speaker 2: so won lots of awards. It became a really big book.
Speaker 2: It came out in twenty eighteen, but this year it's
Speaker 2: a movie and Rayna Winn narrates it. She's got this
Speaker 2: beautiful English accent with a slight kind of range voice,
Speaker 2: and it's just such an interesting story and I loved it.
Speaker 2: It's that right makes of like it's soothing, but it's
Speaker 2: also like, oh, what are you doing, you idiots, and
Speaker 2: like how could you do that? And lots things about
Speaker 2: what it means to be homeless, blah blah blah. It's
Speaker 2: called The Saltpath by Rayna When and I loved it.
Speaker 1: Maya, I'm going to recommend a hat maybe that you
Speaker 1: could wear while you're going on a long walk. Avenue
Speaker 1: Hats are an Australian lady startup, a small business female
Speaker 1: founders focused on sustainable designs. I love hats. I've got
Speaker 1: a lot of caps and I like also straw ish hats.
Speaker 1: I don't know what these are made out of, but
Speaker 1: they're a bit like RAFFI A, yeah, that soft. But
Speaker 1: what I love about them this is the kicker. You
Speaker 1: can just scrunch them up and put them in your bag,
Speaker 1: in your suitcase, in your bag. And they sent me
Speaker 1: a couple and when I looked at them, one of
Speaker 1: them is like kind of like a straw color. Two
Speaker 1: of them are, and then one of them is like
Speaker 1: navy and cream stripes, and I thought, oh no, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't wear that, and then I put it on and
Speaker 1: I bloody loved it. Super comfy and just gives you
Speaker 1: very good coverage because sometimes when you're a cap, it's
Speaker 1: just that little bit at the front and that all
Speaker 1: the sun gets in on the sites.
Speaker 3: I have had so many outlouders message me about getting
Speaker 3: a skincats check after I talked about it recently and said,
Speaker 3: BCCs around the forehead. And when I went back for
Speaker 3: my check up, he looked at my part because I
Speaker 3: part my hair the same all the time, and he said,
Speaker 3: that's where you've got to be careful of. I can
Speaker 3: see it's pink. Like every time you're going outside. It
Speaker 3: isn't enough to do sunscreen. You have to have something
Speaker 3: on you.
Speaker 1: When you think about it, it's true. So you've got
Speaker 1: to a hat because you can't really put sunscreen on
Speaker 1: your scalp maybe yesh exactly.
Speaker 3: And the hat that you're going to wear that you
Speaker 3: can scrunch up in your backpack or your bag or
Speaker 3: whatever is the one that, like you should have, so
Speaker 3: that's very smart.
Speaker 1: So they're super great. They're around one hundred and twenty dollars.
Speaker 1: They're not cheap, but they're very sustainable and you will
Speaker 1: have this forever. They're fantastic.
Speaker 3: I have a book recommendation as well, is called Better
Speaker 3: Days by claares On.
Speaker 4: And I get asked to endorse a lot of books,
Speaker 4: and most of them I do not endorse.
Speaker 1: I keep hearing about this book oh so good.
Speaker 3: So I was given it and I actually read it
Speaker 3: on the weekend. I was away, like close to Berry
Speaker 3: and just read it on this weekend. Absolutely went through
Speaker 3: it so fast. And it's set in Sydney. It's about
Speaker 3: motherhood and ambition and marriage and this relationship she had
Speaker 3: in her twenties that ended, but sort of it's unresolved.
Speaker 3: You know when you read a book and you fall
Speaker 3: in love with a writer, like you fall in love
Speaker 3: with their tone and their voice. It was that, and
Speaker 3: it happened from the first page.
Speaker 4: It was so warm.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard a bad word about this book. It
Speaker 3: felt at first like a smallish story about a really
Speaker 3: believable life. She has kids in this big job and
Speaker 3: it's about creativity. But it just went to the most
Speaker 3: interesting places and it had me so so engrossed. So
Speaker 3: it's called Better Days. It's only come out I think
Speaker 3: like Last Week or something by Klaerzon and Australian writer.
Speaker 1: You'll love it. We'll put links in the show notes
Speaker 1: to all ofs and also thank you to whichever one
Speaker 1: of you recommended the wedding People. That was me, I
Speaker 1: just finished. I don't think it was me. I just
Speaker 1: finished that. I really love that too. Who she got
Speaker 1: any other books?
Speaker 2: I think she might. I think she might.
Speaker 1: I really loved her style.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, after the break, a fight with technology, a
Speaker 3: night of entertainment, and a depleted social battery. It is
Speaker 3: our Best and Worst.
Speaker 2: One unlimited out loud access. We drop episodes every Tuesday
Speaker 2: and Thursday exclusively for Mamma Mia subscribers. Follow the link
Speaker 2: at the show notes to get us in your ears
Speaker 2: five days a week. And a huge thank you to
Speaker 2: all our current subscribers.
Speaker 4: It's time for Best and Worst.
Speaker 3: This is a part of the show where we share
Speaker 3: a little bit more from our week from our personal lives. Holly,
Speaker 3: what was your worst?
Speaker 2: So my best and my worst are both technolo related.
Speaker 2: My worst is the ever ongoing battle with technology and
Speaker 2: our offspring, which every parent knows about. But also I
Speaker 2: hid a new low this week, which was, look, I'm
Speaker 2: one of those people. I've read the Jonathan Heights. I know.
Speaker 2: I know that the world is being ruined and my
Speaker 2: children are being ruined by technology. I know that. But
Speaker 2: still on the weekend, did I allow my son to
Speaker 2: purchase very expensive virtual reality headset that will guarantee that
Speaker 2: he no longer lives in my house? It just lives
Speaker 2: now in some kind of other world with avatars and
Speaker 2: people with heads of animals. Yes, I absolutely did, because
Speaker 2: one of the things about technology is that I fired
Speaker 2: it all the time. And my teenage boys. We all
Speaker 2: know it's a stereotype, but it's kind of true. In
Speaker 2: my house. Girls tend to be more into social media
Speaker 2: and media, and boys tend to be more into gaming.
Speaker 2: And Billy has always been quite into gaming. He has
Speaker 2: wanted one of those virtual headset things for about four years,
Speaker 2: and I've always said no. Little bugger just started saving
Speaker 2: up his money, saving up his money. He put a
Speaker 2: chart in his room of like how far away he
Speaker 2: was from the dream then, and he was like chipping
Speaker 2: away and chipping away, and then You're like, how do
Speaker 2: I not reward this? And then he's like, you can
Speaker 2: put any rules you want around it. You can do anything,
Speaker 2: and you've got all the voices of all of the
Speaker 2: collective wisdom of the village going, don't do it, don't
Speaker 2: do it. And then we did it anyway.
Speaker 3: So I he's smart, and I think that's great parents
Speaker 3: because he learned about saving well he did.
Speaker 2: But when I now walk into the house and he's
Speaker 2: so weird to have somebody in your house with this
Speaker 2: weird so I know, I can imagine the emails I'm
Speaker 2: going to get with the big light thing on, and
Speaker 2: he's just like waving his hands in the air like
Speaker 2: it's just weird. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: His husband got some of those and was wearing them
Speaker 1: in bed, not in a sexual way, but just in
Speaker 1: a weird like, you know, and she would send photos
Speaker 1: of me to me of just like him next to
Speaker 1: her in bed, and I'm like, dude, do you never
Speaker 1: want to have sex again?
Speaker 2: Is that your They're so weird anyway. But my best
Speaker 2: is also technology because I've been you remember we had
Speaker 2: that conversation about AI the other week. I've been using
Speaker 2: AI to do my kids homework, and so my kids, Matilda,
Speaker 2: particularly now that she's fifteen, her homework is hard. And
Speaker 2: I was never very good at school, like well, I
Speaker 2: was always really good at English, and I was good
Speaker 2: at things like history, but math science absolutely forget it.
Speaker 2: So I can't do anything that she's doing. So my
Speaker 2: new best friend is to use the AI.
Speaker 1: Why isn't she doing it herself?
Speaker 2: Well, no, she is doing it herself. But in order
Speaker 2: to get her to do it, she's like, help me,
Speaker 2: help me, And I'm like, I can't help you. But
Speaker 2: what I can do is I can sit there with
Speaker 2: my AI assistant and so tells me how to help her.
Speaker 2: It tells you how to explain. I don't get the
Speaker 2: AI to do it, got it right, like, because that
Speaker 2: would be bad parenting even for me. What I do
Speaker 2: is I ask my AI assistant if you were trying
Speaker 2: to work out out what fraction of this thing was
Speaker 2: this things, how would you go about doing it? And
Speaker 2: the AI assistant gives you like really simple kind of
Speaker 2: like well, first of all, you've got to work out
Speaker 2: the BLA and tells me that so then I can
Speaker 2: talk through it. So I'm not giving her the answer,
Speaker 2: but it's basically like me having a tutor to help tudor.
Speaker 3: I had to do something for work recently where I
Speaker 3: was trying to work out what percentage increase was this
Speaker 3: number on this number to say, I don't even give
Speaker 3: me a calculator.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to work it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I went to my chatbot and I was like,
Speaker 3: what's the percentage increase? And then it did all It
Speaker 3: was being a bit braggy like it was doing all
Speaker 3: the fraction stuff, and I was like, I don't.
Speaker 4: Need to see work to see that simple. I just
Speaker 4: needed to.
Speaker 2: Get whereas I needed to see the working out. And
Speaker 2: it's made me a more because before I discovered that
Speaker 2: this was an impression of me, Well, I don't know
Speaker 2: what do you mean? And then I get cranky, I
Speaker 2: jump up.
Speaker 1: Then she goes, I just need some help.
Speaker 2: I thought you wanted me to do my homework blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah, ai' making the world better.
Speaker 1: I also feel like homeworks hard than it used to be.
Speaker 3: I was a tutor for a long time and would
Speaker 3: be shootering a kid who was, you know, in year
Speaker 3: five or year six English or something, and he'd go, oh,
Speaker 3: I have a maths question and I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know how to do your two maths like divisions
Speaker 3: was like harkeed, and I.
Speaker 4: Just went, I'm I'm panicking. I'm panicking, may or what's
Speaker 4: your worst?
Speaker 1: My worst is the depletion of my social battery. Like
Speaker 1: you know how often with your devices they lose battery
Speaker 1: over time, they get worse and worse at recharging. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's me. I did an interview on No
Speaker 1: Filter a couple of years ago about the seven different
Speaker 1: types of rest and how you can feel really tired,
Speaker 1: but it has nothing to do with sleep. Might be
Speaker 1: that you're depleted in another area of rest that you need.
Speaker 1: It might be around mental rest, emotional rest, and social
Speaker 1: rest was one that I'd never heard of, but that
Speaker 1: really spoke to me. And I've noticed that I need
Speaker 1: more and more time on my own. So I used
Speaker 1: to think of myself as an extrovert, and the way
Speaker 1: that apparently distinguished between extroverts and introvert is that extroverts
Speaker 1: are recharged by being with people broadly, and introverts are
Speaker 1: recharged by being with themselves. And I'm finding that I'm
Speaker 1: moving from extrovert to introvert and that I need more
Speaker 1: and more time on my own, and I'm finding that
Speaker 1: harder and harder to get because I love my friends.
Speaker 1: I really want to see my friends. Work for us
Speaker 1: is very social innately because we work with our friends
Speaker 1: and we work, you know, I also work with my family,
Speaker 1: and I work with lots of great women. Then we
Speaker 1: have great chats all through the day. But I'm just
Speaker 1: getting more and more tired.
Speaker 3: And I wonder if you've been thrust into like early
Speaker 3: parenthood again because you find Luna very cut feeling. But
Speaker 3: you spend a lot of time with Luna, and I
Speaker 3: wonder if a lot of the time that you were
Speaker 3: spending on your own recharging is now spent with a
Speaker 3: you know, nearly two year olds.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. I find that being with Luna is
Speaker 1: spiritual rest for me because it comes from a different
Speaker 1: cup than my social battery, or a different battery than
Speaker 1: my social battery. Like sometimes I might want to be
Speaker 1: on my own, but that's kind of different. She fills
Speaker 1: me up in a different way. I think there's probably
Speaker 1: some truth in that, though, because a lot of my
Speaker 1: time on my own is now with her, which I
Speaker 1: bloody love.
Speaker 2: When you're on your own. Just one more questions on
Speaker 2: this matter. When you're on your own, are you socializing
Speaker 2: though on your phone? So you're not actually resting, that's socializing.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's part of it because my group chats are
Speaker 1: always cracking on, and I crack on as well on
Speaker 1: the group chat, so maybe that's part of it.
Speaker 2: You're not really.
Speaker 1: No, I agree with you. It's not proper social dreamy rest.
Speaker 1: I love that. Okay, I'll think about that. And my
Speaker 1: best is, as you said, Jesse, I did a panel
Speaker 1: for International Women's Day and met a whole lot about
Speaker 1: louders afterwards, and what was so interesting was how many
Speaker 1: of them said, you guys got me through COVID, you
Speaker 1: guys got me through lockdown, and I'd sort of forgotten
Speaker 1: about not forgotten about it, but there are so many
Speaker 1: out louders who discovered us during that time. And we
Speaker 1: made the decision. I don't know how or why. I
Speaker 1: think it was just instinctive that we increase the number
Speaker 1: of episodes that we did during COVID.
Speaker 4: I remember Holly suggesting it.
Speaker 3: I was initially against it, and then it was only
Speaker 3: going to be a COVID thing because we went you know,
Speaker 3: and then it's stuck and we don't remember.
Speaker 2: How crazy that was. We all, I mean, everyone's got
Speaker 2: their stories about that, but we all had to learn
Speaker 2: how to record ourselves from home. The entire business did,
Speaker 2: of course, and we never done it, and we weren't
Speaker 2: allowed to be together to learn, and then for months
Speaker 2: we never saw each other. You two did, but we
Speaker 2: weren't in the same.
Speaker 1: Which was its own challenge.
Speaker 2: It was so wild, I mean. And anyway, so that
Speaker 2: connection that we had with the out louders was very
Speaker 2: genuine fust too, right, like it was exactly so.
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of us bonded during that time.
Speaker 1: And there have been so many new outluders join the community,
Speaker 1: which has just been wonderful. And it just, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of what we do is behind a microphone
Speaker 1: and we don't get to see our audience. We sense them,
Speaker 1: but it was just lovely to meet a lot of
Speaker 1: them in person.
Speaker 3: My worst is that I have I've been getting these
Speaker 3: tension headaches all last week and I didn't know what
Speaker 3: it was. I kept being like, oh, should I go
Speaker 3: to the doctor about this? And then over the weekend
Speaker 3: it was coming on at the same time every day
Speaker 3: and it happened during an interview I was doing. It
Speaker 3: happened I was doing a television thing and I go, oh,
Speaker 3: because it makes me really irritable, like because I can't concentrate.
Speaker 3: And then I was sitting there over the weekend, I
Speaker 3: touched my head and it was like I could feel it,
Speaker 3: like I could feel exactly where it was. And I
Speaker 3: ended up going and getting a massage, which was like
Speaker 3: the best massage ever, and I said, I've got these
Speaker 3: tension headaches.
Speaker 4: And she did neck and.
Speaker 3: Shoulders and head and everything and it was like a
Speaker 3: spot where it was like clicking on my forehead.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't sinuses because sometimes I can know tension shoulders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get the same thing, especially if I've been
Speaker 2: riding a lot, driving a lot, stressing a lot, and
Speaker 2: then the headaches come and then you're stressed about the
Speaker 2: headache and then you send yourself to self headed in
Speaker 2: spiral massuses. Oh.
Speaker 3: It was so it was so good because I just went,
Speaker 3: I've been taking neuropyin every day. This this can't be good.
Speaker 3: So yes actually made a big difference. My best was
Speaker 3: MJ the.
Speaker 1: Musical I know controversial.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna be honest.
Speaker 3: I got a media invite which now extends to Simon,
Speaker 3: my cousin who has disability, loves these musicals. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: when I saw that it was Michael Jackson, I was like,
Speaker 3: he's he is going to love it because he loves
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: I'm not fantastic music.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna rull Michael Jackson for him.
Speaker 2: Do you love Michael Jackson like the music? I'm talking,
Speaker 2: we're talking strict the music. Were you like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that'll be a banger.
Speaker 3: I remember, like I grew up listening to Michael Jackson
Speaker 3: music and really enjoying it, and there is so much
Speaker 3: that it's like, we don't play his music as much
Speaker 3: anymore for very very good reason. But when I saw it,
Speaker 3: I went, Okay, Simon's gonna love it, so I rsvapid.
Speaker 3: We went here are some facts about the musical.
Speaker 1: Right, are you worried about getting canceled?
Speaker 2: No? I didn't cry. I saw a lot of people
Speaker 2: posting about MJ the musical, and I was a tiny
Speaker 2: bit surprised because I was like, I thought we weren't
Speaker 2: doing Michael Jackson anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, someone said to me media personality, we were
Speaker 3: having a chat as we left, and she said.
Speaker 4: The merch stand is a little quiet, isn't it good?
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, yeah, probably people.
Speaker 1: Who didn't go because they felt uncomfortable. As much as
Speaker 1: you can love the music, they felt uncomfortable about I
Speaker 1: assume that all the allegations were not covered in the musical.
Speaker 3: No, and I've got some insights about that. But the
Speaker 3: actual musical nominated for ten Tony Awards, one of the
Speaker 3: highest grossing musical theater productions of all time, and it
Speaker 3: has become one of the highest rating Broadway shows by
Speaker 3: the audience ever.
Speaker 2: Can I ask a question, yes, how old is it
Speaker 2: the musical?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: Has it been around for ten years?
Speaker 4: It was just around like twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: And then it's all Helps Jackson.
Speaker 3: Yes, But interestingly so it's set in nineteen ninety two
Speaker 3: during the Dangerous tour, and this is when his appearance.
Speaker 3: Knows job that was all the controversy, his relationship with.
Speaker 1: His dad, So it's about him, yes, but it's.
Speaker 3: A moment in time where it goes he's preparing for
Speaker 3: this tour and I went, I wonder if they're going
Speaker 3: to deal with it, And there's one line that kind
Speaker 3: of says separate art from artist, which you know it's
Speaker 3: really yeah, but I looked into it. In the first
Speaker 3: allegation against Michael Jackson was early nineteen ninety three, so
Speaker 3: I think they've specifically chosen this moment to go. He
Speaker 3: meant something different in nineteen ninety two, did well remember
Speaker 3: the wacko Jacko stuff? It was all that anyway. The
Speaker 3: cast is incredibly diverse. The person who plays Michael Jackson
Speaker 3: is Roman Banks, who is one of the best stars
Speaker 3: I've ever seen on stage, best dancing I've ever seen
Speaker 3: a musical.
Speaker 2: Would be a tough gig. Playing Michael Jackson in the music.
Speaker 3: The voice, the dancing, the moonwalk, the robot that like
Speaker 3: all of that. It was like watching an extended Michael
Speaker 3: Jackson film clip. There were two standing ovations before interval.
Speaker 3: I think, was it just the music from that period
Speaker 3: or was it all No, it went back to like
Speaker 3: Jackson five. There was a little like a little Michael
Speaker 3: Jackson and do.
Speaker 2: They do the thriller dance?
Speaker 4: They did?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's the main thing. I mean they did. I
Speaker 2: learned that at school at high school.
Speaker 3: It was interesting because Michael Jackson at that point, the
Speaker 3: relationship with his dad was really interesting, the motown, the
Speaker 3: Quincy Jones, the significance of him being a black man,
Speaker 3: the changing color of his skin. He'd been burned, like
Speaker 3: actually burned, and that's why he had this he started
Speaker 3: taking the painkillers. It didn't explicitly acknowledge the horrendous allegations
Speaker 3: against him, which have to always be part of his story.
Speaker 3: But I don't think any of us have the answer
Speaker 3: about how you separate art from an artist, how you
Speaker 3: go to really challenge This is a complicated story. And
Speaker 3: later this year a movie called Michael is coming out
Speaker 3: where his nephew plays him. This conversation about Michael Jackson
Speaker 3: is coming up again in twenty twenty five. I think
Speaker 3: it's going to be a really, really big one. I
Speaker 3: know that his alleged victims have come out and spoken
Speaker 3: just in the last few weeks.
Speaker 4: But part of me was like, I feel like I'm here.
Speaker 3: Supporting a diverse, talented cast have been going to musical
Speaker 3: theater for a long time, But.
Speaker 1: You're also also supporting the state, which is but the estate.
Speaker 4: Children brothers, Yeah, who, Like I don't have.
Speaker 1: Any thing you shouldn't have gone. I just think it's complicated.
Speaker 1: It is complicated. It absolutely is.
Speaker 2: I agree, because who doesn't like Michael jacks music. But
Speaker 2: the thing is is it's that thing of separating the
Speaker 2: art from the artist. Is one thing you can listen
Speaker 2: to Michael Jackson in your house. Does it need to
Speaker 2: have a movie and a musical and all these things
Speaker 2: alongside these terrible allegations?
Speaker 1: What do you do though?
Speaker 3: When he was unequivocally like one of the biggest artists
Speaker 3: to ever exist, like.
Speaker 2: Can you move away?
Speaker 1: I don't think his state wants to quietly move away?
Speaker 3: No, no, exactly right. Anyway, it was fascinating and it
Speaker 3: was a great musical, and I did think I was
Speaker 3: sitting there going this is really complicated for the alleged victims.
Speaker 3: So it's definitely complicated, but far out it's a great musical.
Speaker 2: Is that, my friends, is all we have time for.
Speaker 2: On our Friday show, we're done for the week. We
Speaker 2: hope you've had a good one with us. We hope
Speaker 2: if you're in certain parts of the country you're drying out.
Speaker 2: And thank you so much for being here with us
Speaker 2: all week. Mia and Jesse take us home.
Speaker 1: A big thank you to our team. Group Executive producer
Speaker 1: Ruth Devine.
Speaker 3: Executive producer Emiline Gazillis, our audio producer is Leah Porgies, our.
Speaker 1: Video producer is Josh Green, and our junior content producers
Speaker 1: are Coco and Tessa. Goodbye.
Speaker 3: If you are looking for something else to listen to,
Speaker 3: yesterday's subscriber episode was all about the last two.
Speaker 4: Episodes of The White Lotus.
Speaker 3: We talked about that full frontal that we weren't expecting,
Speaker 3: a bit of a shot jump skip. Also, we cannot
Speaker 3: stop thinking about those three women, the dynamic between them
Speaker 3: being sent to some very funny resorts.
Speaker 1: That was a scary sound in the background. Well, Linda
Speaker 1: is hearing some scary sounds in her room, and I
Speaker 1: was just mimicking that.
Speaker 4: We had so much fun just basically putting all our theories.
Speaker 1: Out there for frontal.
Speaker 3: Flask was yeah, exactly right, all the easter eggs. So
Speaker 3: have a listen to that if you're into The White Lotus.
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