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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia out Loud and to Friday,

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Speaker 2: where we talk about anything other than the news cycle.

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Speaker 2: Today it's the fourteenth of March, and my name is Hollywayne, right, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Mea Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 2: And on the show today, take my money and tell

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Speaker 2: me what to do, the irresistible pool of self help

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Speaker 2: gurus and why there's only one right now who has

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Speaker 2: absolutely met her moment, Mel Robins. Also in recommendations today,

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Speaker 2: we've got books for you to read and a hat

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Speaker 2: to wear while reading them. And our best and worst

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Speaker 2: the week include terrible parenting, choices, flat social batteries, and

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Speaker 2: musical theater. But first me, in case you missed it,

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Speaker 2: married people are more likely to masturbate than people living alone.

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Speaker 4: This is surprising to me.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it is surprised.

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Speaker 4: Why is it not surprising?

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Speaker 2: How long have you been married?

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Speaker 1: I'm leaving it at that. We came across a list

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Speaker 1: of fun sex facts that I wanted to share with

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Speaker 1: the group. This is my favorite. According to the Kinsey Institute,

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Speaker 1: the average speed of sperm during ejaculation is forty five

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Speaker 1: kilometers per hour.

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Speaker 2: Sounds dangerous. Wow, sounds like it could take an eye out.

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't be in a school zone, I mean obviously, because

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Speaker 1: you'll get you get it fine, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's fine if it's after well, no, you shouldn't. You

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Speaker 4: shouldn't be in a school zone.

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Speaker 1: Now what if you just what if you're inside your

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Speaker 1: house but your house is within a school. A teaspoon

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Speaker 1: moving on. A teaspoon of semen contains five calories, and

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Speaker 1: a sperm takes one hour to swim seventeen centimeters, which

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Speaker 1: I guess seventeen centimeter is probably all you need from

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Speaker 1: your bag into the parts. Going any further, getting to alarm,

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Speaker 1: But it just seems quite slow, like an hour. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't want one in your lung. No, you've got

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Speaker 1: to stop, like, don't keep going. But I think it

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Speaker 1: feels a bit slow. An hour it does, it does

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Speaker 1: hurry along. Scientists are unsure why humans have pubic hair,

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Speaker 1: but they theorize that the hair traps secretions that hold

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Speaker 1: pheromones or sexual sense, so it's for the smell, special smell,

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Speaker 1: a special smell. Men who help with housework tend to

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Speaker 1: have more sex that really, statistics show, and women who

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Speaker 1: have difficulty reaching an orgasm might just have cold feet,

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Speaker 1: actual cold feet, because a study has found that giving

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Speaker 1: women warm socks increase their chance of reaching.

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Speaker 3: And all should always have bed socks on very sexy,

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Speaker 2: Yeah jewelry, like.

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Speaker 4: Because that will really turn your partner on.

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Speaker 1: I've noticed a lot of socks now I wanted to

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Speaker 1: buy some more socks. Not so much for this reason,

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Speaker 1: but can't hurt a lot of socks. They're called studio socks,

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Speaker 1: and I assume they're for like doing pilates and stuff,

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Speaker 1: or maybe doing sexual positions.

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Speaker 2: Where we'd have to They've got little grips on the.

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Speaker 1: Bottom, so I don't know. Maybe if you're like in

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Speaker 1: an interesting position, having grips on the bottom of your

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Speaker 4: You could stick to a wall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Spider Man to the ceiling in the.

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Speaker 2: Air Okay, all right, Friday Friday stuff spider Man.

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Speaker 5: Spider Man, Spider can.

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Speaker 1: Size just like guys.

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Speaker 5: Been in a situation where maybe your buddies organize a

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Speaker 5: golf trip and they don't include you, or the women

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Speaker 5: I mean, how much does you worrying about it? How

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Speaker 5: is that going to change anything? It's not How does

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Speaker 5: spending two hundred hours talking to your friend about this

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Speaker 2: The twenty tens had Brene Brown telling us all to

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Speaker 2: The nineties had John Gray with his men are from Mars,

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Speaker 2: This is one divisions in our relationship.

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Speaker 4: May is such a basic news from Mars.

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Speaker 2: I still talk about that a lot that book, and

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Speaker 2: of course all the decades mostly Oprah. Every era has

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Speaker 2: its Zeitgey self help guru, and twenty twenty five has

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Speaker 2: unequivocally crowned mel Robins. Yes of let them fame, more

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Speaker 1: Bossy, Like I've been chusing her for probably more than

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Speaker 1: five years. And she had a ted talk that went viral.

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Speaker 2: So she's like, jump out of bed in the morning

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Speaker 2: Think positively all the time. She's like, whether you think

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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. A short walk solves most problems,

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Speaker 2: like solid white beddy kind of She's.

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Speaker 1: Not wu Wu.

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Speaker 2: She's not wu Wu. She's sold millions of books, She's

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Speaker 2: because every guru needs one Robins's self reinvention. At forty one,

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Speaker 2: a tough love personal improvement coach mia. Why is this

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Speaker 2: Mel Robbins's moment?

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Speaker 1: I think the news cycle has never been more intense

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Speaker 1: And what the let them theory is, and let them

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Speaker 1: is about recognizing things you can't control. Essentially, it's about

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Speaker 2: It's about stop.

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Speaker 1: Trying to change people, stop trying to change things, stop

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Speaker 2: why do you think we're so addicted to being told

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Speaker 3: I reckon we all feel woefully unqualified to make any

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Speaker 3: that's entirely new. I was thinking about how my grandmother

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Speaker 3: few techniques and language that mirrors this. For example, she

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Speaker 3: And she has this email that she sends out and

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Speaker 3: she says, in case nobody else tells you today, let

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Speaker 3: think that the demise of religion has left a wide

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Speaker 3: Think that there's still this sense of I don't know

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Speaker 3: to people who are very religious, the thing I'm most

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Speaker 3: envious of is they say, I feel like someone's watching

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Speaker 3: out for me, like someone has some greater plan, Like

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Speaker 3: Mel Robbins will often say the universe has a plan

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Speaker 3: they have a methodology. They have centuries of texts and

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Speaker 2: Okay? So I just finished listening to a beautiful book.

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Speaker 2: You know how people often say, how do you guys

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Speaker 2: read and listen to and watch things. I've hacked away

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Speaker 2: to read two books at once. I listened to one

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Speaker 2: and I read another. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. I've

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Speaker 2: been listening to a book that isn't new, but it's

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Speaker 2: sort of back in the zeitgeist because later this year

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Speaker 2: a movies coming out of this book that stars Jillian Anderson,

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Speaker 2: who's obviously a goddess of great status, and it's called

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Speaker 2: The Salt Path and it's British book and it's by

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Speaker 2: this woman called rain and Win, so she narrates it.

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Speaker 2: And the reason that I was listening to it is

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Speaker 2: somebody recommended it to me who I interviewed on mid

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Speaker 2: and it's about this woman. It's kind of think of

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Speaker 2: like Wild where Cheryl Strayed went off and walked that

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Speaker 2: big track on her own to find herself and cure

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Speaker 2: herself with alcoholism. This is about this English couple who

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Speaker 2: lose everything. They've got grown up kids who are going

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Speaker 2: after university. They're like comfy middle class people. Actually, mel

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Speaker 2: Robins would have a lot to say to these people.

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Speaker 2: They live a comfy middle class life. They've been living

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Speaker 2: on this beautiful farm in Wales for like twenty years

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Speaker 2: and they've restored it and it's their world, and they

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Speaker 2: lose it all in a scam. They literally are penniless

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Speaker 2: and they're at this point in the life going what

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Speaker 2: are we going to do? They decide that rather than

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Speaker 2: take a council house, which they do and will end

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Speaker 2: up doing eventually, I'm sure, but they go on a

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Speaker 2: long walk and they basically become homeless. But instead of

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Speaker 2: being homeless in the city and in the system, they

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Speaker 2: just put backpacks on and walk.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a memoir. It's true. It's one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent true.

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Speaker 1: Like proper Grainer and the other.

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Speaker 2: Thing that happens just before they do this, So they

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Speaker 2: lose everything they've ever owned, and then moth he's the

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Speaker 2: husband gets diagnosed with an incurable degenerative disease, so everything's

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Speaker 2: gone to shit. They're fifty and they're like, what do

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Speaker 2: we do? And their kids obviously think they're crazy. They're

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Speaker 2: grown up kids. They put their backpacks on and they

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Speaker 2: walk on this really long walk. Now, the book is

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Speaker 2: really interesting because it makes you think about lots of things.

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Speaker 2: It sounds a bit like a classic like spiritual finding

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Speaker 2: yourself story, and it kind of is great. But because

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Speaker 2: they're literally broke while they're doing this, they can't eat.

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Speaker 2: They get something like thirty pounds a fortnight put in

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Speaker 2: their bank account by like the pension or something, so

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Speaker 2: they're hanging out for that. So they're like trying to

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Speaker 2: find ways to literally survive. They can only comp places

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Speaker 2: that are free. They do lots of frankly quite irresponsible,

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Speaker 2: like verging on illegal things. He's got this terrible illness.

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Speaker 2: He's getting worse. Like it's such an amazing book that

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Speaker 2: listening to it. The woman Rayna Winn who wrote it

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Speaker 2: so won lots of awards. It became a really big book.

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Speaker 2: It came out in twenty eighteen, but this year it's

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Speaker 2: a movie and Rayna Winn narrates it. She's got this

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Speaker 2: beautiful English accent with a slight kind of range voice,

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Speaker 2: and it's just such an interesting story and I loved it.

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Speaker 2: It's that right makes of like it's soothing, but it's

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Speaker 2: also like, oh, what are you doing, you idiots, and

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Speaker 2: like how could you do that? And lots things about

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Speaker 2: what it means to be homeless, blah blah blah. It's

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Speaker 2: called The Saltpath by Rayna When and I loved it.

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Speaker 1: Maya, I'm going to recommend a hat maybe that you

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Speaker 1: could wear while you're going on a long walk. Avenue

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Speaker 1: Hats are an Australian lady startup, a small business female

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Speaker 1: founders focused on sustainable designs. I love hats. I've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of caps and I like also straw ish hats.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what these are made out of, but

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Speaker 1: they're a bit like RAFFI A, yeah, that soft. But

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Speaker 1: what I love about them this is the kicker. You

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Speaker 1: can just scrunch them up and put them in your bag,

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Speaker 1: in your suitcase, in your bag. And they sent me

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Speaker 1: a couple and when I looked at them, one of

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Speaker 1: them is like kind of like a straw color. Two

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Speaker 1: of them are, and then one of them is like

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Speaker 1: navy and cream stripes, and I thought, oh no, I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't wear that, and then I put it on and

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Speaker 1: I bloody loved it. Super comfy and just gives you

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Speaker 1: very good coverage because sometimes when you're a cap, it's

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Speaker 1: just that little bit at the front and that all

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Speaker 1: the sun gets in on the sites.

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Speaker 3: I have had so many outlouders message me about getting

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Speaker 3: a skincats check after I talked about it recently and said,

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Speaker 3: BCCs around the forehead. And when I went back for

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Speaker 3: my check up, he looked at my part because I

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Speaker 3: part my hair the same all the time, and he said,

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Speaker 3: that's where you've got to be careful of. I can

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Speaker 3: see it's pink. Like every time you're going outside. It

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Speaker 3: isn't enough to do sunscreen. You have to have something

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Speaker 3: on you.

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Speaker 1: When you think about it, it's true. So you've got

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Speaker 1: to a hat because you can't really put sunscreen on

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Speaker 1: your scalp maybe yesh exactly.

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Speaker 3: And the hat that you're going to wear that you

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Speaker 3: can scrunch up in your backpack or your bag or

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Speaker 3: whatever is the one that, like you should have, so

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Speaker 3: that's very smart.

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Speaker 1: So they're super great. They're around one hundred and twenty dollars.

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Speaker 1: They're not cheap, but they're very sustainable and you will

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Speaker 1: have this forever. They're fantastic.

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Speaker 3: I have a book recommendation as well, is called Better

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Speaker 3: Days by claares On.

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Speaker 4: And I get asked to endorse a lot of books,

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Speaker 4: and most of them I do not endorse.

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Speaker 1: I keep hearing about this book oh so good.

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Speaker 3: So I was given it and I actually read it

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Speaker 3: on the weekend. I was away, like close to Berry

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Speaker 3: and just read it on this weekend. Absolutely went through

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Speaker 3: it so fast. And it's set in Sydney. It's about

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Speaker 3: motherhood and ambition and marriage and this relationship she had

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Speaker 3: in her twenties that ended, but sort of it's unresolved.

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Speaker 3: You know when you read a book and you fall

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Speaker 3: in love with a writer, like you fall in love

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Speaker 3: with their tone and their voice. It was that, and

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Speaker 3: it happened from the first page.

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Speaker 4: It was so warm.

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Speaker 3: I haven't heard a bad word about this book. It

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Speaker 3: felt at first like a smallish story about a really

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Speaker 3: believable life. She has kids in this big job and

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Speaker 3: it's about creativity. But it just went to the most

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Speaker 3: interesting places and it had me so so engrossed. So

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Speaker 3: it's called Better Days. It's only come out I think

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Speaker 3: like Last Week or something by Klaerzon and Australian writer.

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Speaker 1: You'll love it. We'll put links in the show notes

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Speaker 1: to all ofs and also thank you to whichever one

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Speaker 1: of you recommended the wedding People. That was me, I

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Speaker 1: just finished. I don't think it was me. I just

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Speaker 1: finished that. I really love that too. Who she got

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Speaker 1: any other books?

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Speaker 2: I think she might. I think she might.

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Speaker 1: I really loved her style.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, after the break, a fight with technology, a

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Speaker 3: night of entertainment, and a depleted social battery. It is

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Speaker 3: our Best and Worst.

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Speaker 2: One unlimited out loud access. We drop episodes every Tuesday

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Speaker 2: and Thursday exclusively for Mamma Mia subscribers. Follow the link

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Speaker 2: at the show notes to get us in your ears

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Speaker 2: five days a week. And a huge thank you to

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Speaker 2: all our current subscribers.

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Speaker 4: It's time for Best and Worst.

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Speaker 3: This is a part of the show where we share

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Speaker 3: a little bit more from our week from our personal lives. Holly,

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Speaker 3: what was your worst?

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Speaker 2: So my best and my worst are both technolo related.

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Speaker 2: My worst is the ever ongoing battle with technology and

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Speaker 2: our offspring, which every parent knows about. But also I

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Speaker 2: hid a new low this week, which was, look, I'm

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Speaker 2: one of those people. I've read the Jonathan Heights. I know.

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Speaker 2: I know that the world is being ruined and my

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Speaker 2: children are being ruined by technology. I know that. But

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Speaker 2: still on the weekend, did I allow my son to

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Speaker 2: purchase very expensive virtual reality headset that will guarantee that

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Speaker 2: he no longer lives in my house? It just lives

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Speaker 2: now in some kind of other world with avatars and

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Speaker 2: people with heads of animals. Yes, I absolutely did, because

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Speaker 2: one of the things about technology is that I fired

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Speaker 2: it all the time. And my teenage boys. We all

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Speaker 2: know it's a stereotype, but it's kind of true. In

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Speaker 2: my house. Girls tend to be more into social media

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Speaker 2: and media, and boys tend to be more into gaming.

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Speaker 2: And Billy has always been quite into gaming. He has

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Speaker 2: wanted one of those virtual headset things for about four years,

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Speaker 2: and I've always said no. Little bugger just started saving

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Speaker 2: up his money, saving up his money. He put a

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Speaker 2: chart in his room of like how far away he

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Speaker 2: was from the dream then, and he was like chipping

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Speaker 2: away and chipping away, and then You're like, how do

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Speaker 2: I not reward this? And then he's like, you can

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Speaker 2: put any rules you want around it. You can do anything,

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Speaker 2: and you've got all the voices of all of the

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Speaker 2: collective wisdom of the village going, don't do it, don't

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Speaker 2: do it. And then we did it anyway.

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Speaker 3: So I he's smart, and I think that's great parents

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Speaker 3: because he learned about saving well he did.

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Speaker 2: But when I now walk into the house and he's

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Speaker 2: so weird to have somebody in your house with this

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Speaker 2: weird so I know, I can imagine the emails I'm

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Speaker 2: going to get with the big light thing on, and

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Speaker 2: he's just like waving his hands in the air like

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Speaker 2: it's just weird. I don't like it.

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Speaker 1: His husband got some of those and was wearing them

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Speaker 1: in bed, not in a sexual way, but just in

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Speaker 1: a weird like, you know, and she would send photos

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Speaker 1: of me to me of just like him next to

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Speaker 1: her in bed, and I'm like, dude, do you never

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Speaker 1: want to have sex again?

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Speaker 2: Is that your They're so weird anyway. But my best

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Speaker 2: is also technology because I've been you remember we had

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Speaker 2: that conversation about AI the other week. I've been using

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Speaker 2: AI to do my kids homework, and so my kids, Matilda,

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Speaker 2: particularly now that she's fifteen, her homework is hard. And

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Speaker 2: I was never very good at school, like well, I

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Speaker 2: was always really good at English, and I was good

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Speaker 2: at things like history, but math science absolutely forget it.

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Speaker 2: So I can't do anything that she's doing. So my

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Speaker 2: new best friend is to use the AI.

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Speaker 1: Why isn't she doing it herself?

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Speaker 2: Well, no, she is doing it herself. But in order

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Speaker 2: to get her to do it, she's like, help me,

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Speaker 2: help me, And I'm like, I can't help you. But

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Speaker 2: what I can do is I can sit there with

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Speaker 2: my AI assistant and so tells me how to help her.

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Speaker 2: It tells you how to explain. I don't get the

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Speaker 2: AI to do it, got it right, like, because that

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Speaker 2: would be bad parenting even for me. What I do

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00:31:05,622 --> 00:31:09,102
Speaker 2: is I ask my AI assistant if you were trying

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Speaker 2: to work out out what fraction of this thing was

643
00:31:12,142 --> 00:31:15,062
Speaker 2: this things, how would you go about doing it? And

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00:31:15,102 --> 00:31:18,142
Speaker 2: the AI assistant gives you like really simple kind of

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00:31:18,182 --> 00:31:20,222
Speaker 2: like well, first of all, you've got to work out

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Speaker 2: the BLA and tells me that so then I can

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Speaker 2: talk through it. So I'm not giving her the answer,

648
00:31:25,262 --> 00:31:29,742
Speaker 2: but it's basically like me having a tutor to help tudor.

649
00:31:30,542 --> 00:31:32,981
Speaker 3: I had to do something for work recently where I

650
00:31:33,022 --> 00:31:35,502
Speaker 3: was trying to work out what percentage increase was this

651
00:31:35,582 --> 00:31:37,942
Speaker 3: number on this number to say, I don't even give

652
00:31:37,982 --> 00:31:38,542
Speaker 3: me a calculator.

653
00:31:38,542 --> 00:31:39,382
Speaker 4: I don't know how to work it out.

654
00:31:39,462 --> 00:31:41,582
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I went to my chatbot and I was like,

655
00:31:41,661 --> 00:31:43,822
Speaker 3: what's the percentage increase? And then it did all It

656
00:31:43,822 --> 00:31:45,421
Speaker 3: was being a bit braggy like it was doing all

657
00:31:45,462 --> 00:31:47,382
Speaker 3: the fraction stuff, and I was like, I don't.

658
00:31:47,182 --> 00:31:50,102
Speaker 4: Need to see work to see that simple. I just

659
00:31:50,142 --> 00:31:50,542
Speaker 4: needed to.

660
00:31:50,462 --> 00:31:53,302
Speaker 2: Get whereas I needed to see the working out. And

661
00:31:53,342 --> 00:31:56,702
Speaker 2: it's made me a more because before I discovered that

662
00:31:56,742 --> 00:31:58,981
Speaker 2: this was an impression of me, Well, I don't know

663
00:31:59,342 --> 00:32:01,421
Speaker 2: what do you mean? And then I get cranky, I

664
00:32:01,542 --> 00:32:01,981
Speaker 2: jump up.

665
00:32:02,102 --> 00:32:03,702
Speaker 1: Then she goes, I just need some help.

666
00:32:03,742 --> 00:32:05,422
Speaker 2: I thought you wanted me to do my homework blah

667
00:32:05,422 --> 00:32:08,102
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah, ai' making the world better.

668
00:32:08,142 --> 00:32:10,181
Speaker 1: I also feel like homeworks hard than it used to be.

669
00:32:10,342 --> 00:32:12,582
Speaker 3: I was a tutor for a long time and would

670
00:32:12,622 --> 00:32:14,982
Speaker 3: be shootering a kid who was, you know, in year

671
00:32:14,982 --> 00:32:18,181
Speaker 3: five or year six English or something, and he'd go, oh,

672
00:32:18,182 --> 00:32:20,421
Speaker 3: I have a maths question and I was like, I

673
00:32:20,462 --> 00:32:22,822
Speaker 3: don't know how to do your two maths like divisions

674
00:32:22,982 --> 00:32:23,982
Speaker 3: was like harkeed, and I.

675
00:32:24,022 --> 00:32:27,222
Speaker 4: Just went, I'm I'm panicking. I'm panicking, may or what's

676
00:32:27,262 --> 00:32:27,822
Speaker 4: your worst?

677
00:32:28,302 --> 00:32:33,022
Speaker 1: My worst is the depletion of my social battery. Like

678
00:32:33,102 --> 00:32:37,782
Speaker 1: you know how often with your devices they lose battery

679
00:32:37,822 --> 00:32:40,102
Speaker 1: over time, they get worse and worse at recharging. I

680
00:32:40,142 --> 00:32:42,502
Speaker 1: feel like that's me. I did an interview on No

681
00:32:42,582 --> 00:32:45,302
Speaker 1: Filter a couple of years ago about the seven different

682
00:32:45,342 --> 00:32:47,981
Speaker 1: types of rest and how you can feel really tired,

683
00:32:48,022 --> 00:32:50,142
Speaker 1: but it has nothing to do with sleep. Might be

684
00:32:50,222 --> 00:32:52,782
Speaker 1: that you're depleted in another area of rest that you need.

685
00:32:52,822 --> 00:32:55,942
Speaker 1: It might be around mental rest, emotional rest, and social

686
00:32:55,982 --> 00:32:59,062
Speaker 1: rest was one that I'd never heard of, but that

687
00:32:59,222 --> 00:33:02,102
Speaker 1: really spoke to me. And I've noticed that I need

688
00:33:02,142 --> 00:33:03,902
Speaker 1: more and more time on my own. So I used

689
00:33:03,902 --> 00:33:06,662
Speaker 1: to think of myself as an extrovert, and the way

690
00:33:06,862 --> 00:33:10,661
Speaker 1: that apparently distinguished between extroverts and introvert is that extroverts

691
00:33:11,222 --> 00:33:15,062
Speaker 1: are recharged by being with people broadly, and introverts are

692
00:33:15,102 --> 00:33:19,382
Speaker 1: recharged by being with themselves. And I'm finding that I'm

693
00:33:19,582 --> 00:33:23,262
Speaker 1: moving from extrovert to introvert and that I need more

694
00:33:23,422 --> 00:33:26,382
Speaker 1: and more time on my own, and I'm finding that

695
00:33:26,422 --> 00:33:29,142
Speaker 1: harder and harder to get because I love my friends.

696
00:33:29,182 --> 00:33:32,342
Speaker 1: I really want to see my friends. Work for us

697
00:33:32,422 --> 00:33:35,261
Speaker 1: is very social innately because we work with our friends

698
00:33:35,262 --> 00:33:37,342
Speaker 1: and we work, you know, I also work with my family,

699
00:33:37,382 --> 00:33:39,102
Speaker 1: and I work with lots of great women. Then we

700
00:33:39,182 --> 00:33:41,622
Speaker 1: have great chats all through the day. But I'm just

701
00:33:41,622 --> 00:33:42,661
Speaker 1: getting more and more tired.

702
00:33:42,702 --> 00:33:46,062
Speaker 3: And I wonder if you've been thrust into like early

703
00:33:46,102 --> 00:33:49,461
Speaker 3: parenthood again because you find Luna very cut feeling. But

704
00:33:49,462 --> 00:33:50,941
Speaker 3: you spend a lot of time with Luna, and I

705
00:33:50,942 --> 00:33:52,422
Speaker 3: wonder if a lot of the time that you were

706
00:33:52,502 --> 00:33:55,941
Speaker 3: spending on your own recharging is now spent with a

707
00:33:56,342 --> 00:33:57,662
Speaker 3: you know, nearly two year olds.

708
00:33:57,661 --> 00:33:59,701
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. I find that being with Luna is

709
00:33:59,782 --> 00:34:03,382
Speaker 1: spiritual rest for me because it comes from a different

710
00:34:03,982 --> 00:34:07,102
Speaker 1: cup than my social battery, or a different battery than

711
00:34:07,102 --> 00:34:09,382
Speaker 1: my social battery. Like sometimes I might want to be

712
00:34:09,422 --> 00:34:11,342
Speaker 1: on my own, but that's kind of different. She fills

713
00:34:11,342 --> 00:34:13,382
Speaker 1: me up in a different way. I think there's probably

714
00:34:13,502 --> 00:34:15,262
Speaker 1: some truth in that, though, because a lot of my

715
00:34:15,702 --> 00:34:19,462
Speaker 1: time on my own is now with her, which I

716
00:34:19,622 --> 00:34:20,221
Speaker 1: bloody love.

717
00:34:20,302 --> 00:34:22,261
Speaker 2: When you're on your own. Just one more questions on

718
00:34:22,382 --> 00:34:26,062
Speaker 2: this matter. When you're on your own, are you socializing

719
00:34:26,142 --> 00:34:30,262
Speaker 2: though on your phone? So you're not actually resting, that's socializing.

720
00:34:30,382 --> 00:34:32,701
Speaker 1: Maybe that's part of it because my group chats are

721
00:34:32,781 --> 00:34:36,422
Speaker 1: always cracking on, and I crack on as well on

722
00:34:36,462 --> 00:34:38,701
Speaker 1: the group chat, so maybe that's part of it.

723
00:34:38,862 --> 00:34:42,822
Speaker 2: You're not really.

724
00:34:42,142 --> 00:34:45,702
Speaker 1: No, I agree with you. It's not proper social dreamy rest.

725
00:34:45,902 --> 00:34:48,861
Speaker 1: I love that. Okay, I'll think about that. And my

726
00:34:48,942 --> 00:34:51,382
Speaker 1: best is, as you said, Jesse, I did a panel

727
00:34:51,422 --> 00:34:53,701
Speaker 1: for International Women's Day and met a whole lot about

728
00:34:53,741 --> 00:34:59,502
Speaker 1: louders afterwards, and what was so interesting was how many

729
00:34:59,542 --> 00:35:02,942
Speaker 1: of them said, you guys got me through COVID, you

730
00:35:02,982 --> 00:35:05,221
Speaker 1: guys got me through lockdown, and I'd sort of forgotten

731
00:35:05,302 --> 00:35:07,941
Speaker 1: about not forgotten about it, but there are so many

732
00:35:07,982 --> 00:35:10,781
Speaker 1: out louders who discovered us during that time. And we

733
00:35:10,822 --> 00:35:13,982
Speaker 1: made the decision. I don't know how or why. I

734
00:35:14,062 --> 00:35:16,542
Speaker 1: think it was just instinctive that we increase the number

735
00:35:16,582 --> 00:35:18,262
Speaker 1: of episodes that we did during COVID.

736
00:35:18,422 --> 00:35:19,701
Speaker 4: I remember Holly suggesting it.

737
00:35:19,781 --> 00:35:22,221
Speaker 3: I was initially against it, and then it was only

738
00:35:22,221 --> 00:35:24,381
Speaker 3: going to be a COVID thing because we went you know,

739
00:35:26,142 --> 00:35:28,062
Speaker 3: and then it's stuck and we don't remember.

740
00:35:27,822 --> 00:35:30,421
Speaker 2: How crazy that was. We all, I mean, everyone's got

741
00:35:30,422 --> 00:35:32,781
Speaker 2: their stories about that, but we all had to learn

742
00:35:32,862 --> 00:35:36,022
Speaker 2: how to record ourselves from home. The entire business did,

743
00:35:36,062 --> 00:35:38,341
Speaker 2: of course, and we never done it, and we weren't

744
00:35:38,342 --> 00:35:40,622
Speaker 2: allowed to be together to learn, and then for months

745
00:35:40,661 --> 00:35:42,982
Speaker 2: we never saw each other. You two did, but we

746
00:35:43,382 --> 00:35:44,382
Speaker 2: weren't in the same.

747
00:35:44,221 --> 00:35:45,342
Speaker 1: Which was its own challenge.

748
00:35:45,382 --> 00:35:48,341
Speaker 2: It was so wild, I mean. And anyway, so that

749
00:35:48,382 --> 00:35:50,502
Speaker 2: connection that we had with the out louders was very

750
00:35:50,542 --> 00:35:53,062
Speaker 2: genuine fust too, right, like it was exactly so.

751
00:35:53,302 --> 00:35:55,582
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of us bonded during that time.

752
00:35:55,622 --> 00:35:58,462
Speaker 1: And there have been so many new outluders join the community,

753
00:35:58,462 --> 00:36:00,661
Speaker 1: which has just been wonderful. And it just, you know,

754
00:36:00,701 --> 00:36:02,342
Speaker 1: a lot of what we do is behind a microphone

755
00:36:02,382 --> 00:36:04,622
Speaker 1: and we don't get to see our audience. We sense them,

756
00:36:04,661 --> 00:36:06,142
Speaker 1: but it was just lovely to meet a lot of

757
00:36:06,142 --> 00:36:06,782
Speaker 1: them in person.

758
00:36:07,221 --> 00:36:10,341
Speaker 3: My worst is that I have I've been getting these

759
00:36:10,422 --> 00:36:13,781
Speaker 3: tension headaches all last week and I didn't know what

760
00:36:13,822 --> 00:36:15,462
Speaker 3: it was. I kept being like, oh, should I go

761
00:36:15,502 --> 00:36:17,462
Speaker 3: to the doctor about this? And then over the weekend

762
00:36:17,502 --> 00:36:19,542
Speaker 3: it was coming on at the same time every day

763
00:36:20,542 --> 00:36:22,301
Speaker 3: and it happened during an interview I was doing. It

764
00:36:22,342 --> 00:36:25,022
Speaker 3: happened I was doing a television thing and I go, oh,

765
00:36:25,062 --> 00:36:28,181
Speaker 3: because it makes me really irritable, like because I can't concentrate.

766
00:36:28,741 --> 00:36:30,462
Speaker 3: And then I was sitting there over the weekend, I

767
00:36:30,502 --> 00:36:32,062
Speaker 3: touched my head and it was like I could feel it,

768
00:36:32,142 --> 00:36:35,102
Speaker 3: like I could feel exactly where it was. And I

769
00:36:35,181 --> 00:36:36,982
Speaker 3: ended up going and getting a massage, which was like

770
00:36:37,022 --> 00:36:39,181
Speaker 3: the best massage ever, and I said, I've got these

771
00:36:39,181 --> 00:36:39,942
Speaker 3: tension headaches.

772
00:36:40,022 --> 00:36:41,502
Speaker 4: And she did neck and.

773
00:36:41,462 --> 00:36:43,661
Speaker 3: Shoulders and head and everything and it was like a

774
00:36:43,701 --> 00:36:46,701
Speaker 3: spot where it was like clicking on my forehead.

775
00:36:46,781 --> 00:36:51,022
Speaker 1: So it wasn't sinuses because sometimes I can know tension shoulders.

776
00:36:51,062 --> 00:36:53,502
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get the same thing, especially if I've been

777
00:36:54,142 --> 00:36:58,022
Speaker 2: riding a lot, driving a lot, stressing a lot, and

778
00:36:58,181 --> 00:37:00,181
Speaker 2: then the headaches come and then you're stressed about the

779
00:37:00,221 --> 00:37:01,982
Speaker 2: headache and then you send yourself to self headed in

780
00:37:01,982 --> 00:37:03,941
Speaker 2: spiral massuses. Oh.

781
00:37:03,982 --> 00:37:05,901
Speaker 3: It was so it was so good because I just went,

782
00:37:05,942 --> 00:37:08,661
Speaker 3: I've been taking neuropyin every day. This this can't be good.

783
00:37:08,781 --> 00:37:13,422
Speaker 3: So yes actually made a big difference. My best was

784
00:37:13,622 --> 00:37:14,102
Speaker 3: MJ the.

785
00:37:14,142 --> 00:37:16,182
Speaker 1: Musical I know controversial.

786
00:37:16,382 --> 00:37:17,382
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna be honest.

787
00:37:17,781 --> 00:37:21,702
Speaker 3: I got a media invite which now extends to Simon,

788
00:37:21,982 --> 00:37:24,982
Speaker 3: my cousin who has disability, loves these musicals. Yeah, and

789
00:37:25,022 --> 00:37:27,942
Speaker 3: when I saw that it was Michael Jackson, I was like,

790
00:37:28,022 --> 00:37:30,022
Speaker 3: he's he is going to love it because he loves

791
00:37:30,142 --> 00:37:30,902
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson.

792
00:37:31,342 --> 00:37:32,582
Speaker 1: I'm not fantastic music.

793
00:37:32,622 --> 00:37:34,181
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna rull Michael Jackson for him.

794
00:37:34,221 --> 00:37:37,341
Speaker 2: Do you love Michael Jackson like the music? I'm talking,

795
00:37:37,342 --> 00:37:39,542
Speaker 2: we're talking strict the music. Were you like, oh, yeah,

796
00:37:39,542 --> 00:37:40,302
Speaker 2: that'll be a banger.

797
00:37:40,502 --> 00:37:43,142
Speaker 3: I remember, like I grew up listening to Michael Jackson

798
00:37:43,221 --> 00:37:45,461
Speaker 3: music and really enjoying it, and there is so much

799
00:37:45,502 --> 00:37:48,142
Speaker 3: that it's like, we don't play his music as much

800
00:37:48,142 --> 00:37:51,221
Speaker 3: anymore for very very good reason. But when I saw it,

801
00:37:51,261 --> 00:37:54,062
Speaker 3: I went, Okay, Simon's gonna love it, so I rsvapid.

802
00:37:54,221 --> 00:37:56,502
Speaker 3: We went here are some facts about the musical.

803
00:37:56,542 --> 00:37:58,022
Speaker 1: Right, are you worried about getting canceled?

804
00:37:58,422 --> 00:38:00,342
Speaker 2: No? I didn't cry. I saw a lot of people

805
00:38:00,342 --> 00:38:02,662
Speaker 2: posting about MJ the musical, and I was a tiny

806
00:38:02,661 --> 00:38:04,822
Speaker 2: bit surprised because I was like, I thought we weren't

807
00:38:04,862 --> 00:38:06,302
Speaker 2: doing Michael Jackson anymore.

808
00:38:06,382 --> 00:38:09,462
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, someone said to me media personality, we were

809
00:38:09,582 --> 00:38:11,341
Speaker 3: having a chat as we left, and she said.

810
00:38:11,221 --> 00:38:13,421
Speaker 4: The merch stand is a little quiet, isn't it good?

811
00:38:14,102 --> 00:38:16,781
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, yeah, probably people.

812
00:38:16,661 --> 00:38:19,582
Speaker 1: Who didn't go because they felt uncomfortable. As much as

813
00:38:19,622 --> 00:38:22,022
Speaker 1: you can love the music, they felt uncomfortable about I

814
00:38:22,022 --> 00:38:24,782
Speaker 1: assume that all the allegations were not covered in the musical.

815
00:38:24,902 --> 00:38:27,582
Speaker 3: No, and I've got some insights about that. But the

816
00:38:27,661 --> 00:38:30,821
Speaker 3: actual musical nominated for ten Tony Awards, one of the

817
00:38:30,862 --> 00:38:33,622
Speaker 3: highest grossing musical theater productions of all time, and it

818
00:38:33,661 --> 00:38:36,421
Speaker 3: has become one of the highest rating Broadway shows by

819
00:38:36,462 --> 00:38:37,582
Speaker 3: the audience ever.

820
00:38:37,701 --> 00:38:39,982
Speaker 2: Can I ask a question, yes, how old is it

821
00:38:40,062 --> 00:38:40,622
Speaker 2: the musical?

822
00:38:40,862 --> 00:38:41,022
Speaker 1: Then?

823
00:38:41,382 --> 00:38:43,302
Speaker 2: Has it been around for ten years?

824
00:38:43,542 --> 00:38:45,102
Speaker 4: It was just around like twenty twenty.

825
00:38:45,181 --> 00:38:47,542
Speaker 2: And then it's all Helps Jackson.

826
00:38:47,862 --> 00:38:50,661
Speaker 3: Yes, But interestingly so it's set in nineteen ninety two

827
00:38:50,741 --> 00:38:53,781
Speaker 3: during the Dangerous tour, and this is when his appearance.

828
00:38:53,902 --> 00:38:56,861
Speaker 3: Knows job that was all the controversy, his relationship with.

829
00:38:56,822 --> 00:39:00,342
Speaker 1: His dad, So it's about him, yes, but it's.

830
00:39:00,221 --> 00:39:03,582
Speaker 3: A moment in time where it goes he's preparing for

831
00:39:03,622 --> 00:39:06,781
Speaker 3: this tour and I went, I wonder if they're going

832
00:39:06,822 --> 00:39:08,542
Speaker 3: to deal with it, And there's one line that kind

833
00:39:08,582 --> 00:39:12,102
Speaker 3: of says separate art from artist, which you know it's

834
00:39:12,181 --> 00:39:15,181
Speaker 3: really yeah, but I looked into it. In the first

835
00:39:15,261 --> 00:39:19,022
Speaker 3: allegation against Michael Jackson was early nineteen ninety three, so

836
00:39:19,102 --> 00:39:23,102
Speaker 3: I think they've specifically chosen this moment to go. He

837
00:39:23,221 --> 00:39:25,821
Speaker 3: meant something different in nineteen ninety two, did well remember

838
00:39:25,862 --> 00:39:28,062
Speaker 3: the wacko Jacko stuff? It was all that anyway. The

839
00:39:28,142 --> 00:39:31,862
Speaker 3: cast is incredibly diverse. The person who plays Michael Jackson

840
00:39:31,982 --> 00:39:34,862
Speaker 3: is Roman Banks, who is one of the best stars

841
00:39:34,902 --> 00:39:37,381
Speaker 3: I've ever seen on stage, best dancing I've ever seen

842
00:39:37,422 --> 00:39:38,142
Speaker 3: a musical.

843
00:39:38,302 --> 00:39:41,462
Speaker 2: Would be a tough gig. Playing Michael Jackson in the music.

844
00:39:41,261 --> 00:39:44,102
Speaker 3: The voice, the dancing, the moonwalk, the robot that like

845
00:39:44,142 --> 00:39:46,062
Speaker 3: all of that. It was like watching an extended Michael

846
00:39:46,102 --> 00:39:50,102
Speaker 3: Jackson film clip. There were two standing ovations before interval.

847
00:39:50,342 --> 00:39:53,782
Speaker 3: I think, was it just the music from that period

848
00:39:54,022 --> 00:39:56,942
Speaker 3: or was it all No, it went back to like

849
00:39:57,022 --> 00:39:59,302
Speaker 3: Jackson five. There was a little like a little Michael

850
00:39:59,342 --> 00:40:00,421
Speaker 3: Jackson and do.

851
00:40:00,462 --> 00:40:01,502
Speaker 2: They do the thriller dance?

852
00:40:01,741 --> 00:40:02,062
Speaker 4: They did?

853
00:40:02,102 --> 00:40:03,701
Speaker 2: Oh, that's the main thing. I mean they did. I

854
00:40:03,781 --> 00:40:05,462
Speaker 2: learned that at school at high school.

855
00:40:05,542 --> 00:40:09,661
Speaker 3: It was interesting because Michael Jackson at that point, the

856
00:40:09,701 --> 00:40:12,382
Speaker 3: relationship with his dad was really interesting, the motown, the

857
00:40:12,462 --> 00:40:15,901
Speaker 3: Quincy Jones, the significance of him being a black man,

858
00:40:16,022 --> 00:40:19,582
Speaker 3: the changing color of his skin. He'd been burned, like

859
00:40:19,661 --> 00:40:22,342
Speaker 3: actually burned, and that's why he had this he started

860
00:40:22,382 --> 00:40:29,502
Speaker 3: taking the painkillers. It didn't explicitly acknowledge the horrendous allegations

861
00:40:29,542 --> 00:40:32,742
Speaker 3: against him, which have to always be part of his story.

862
00:40:33,382 --> 00:40:35,222
Speaker 3: But I don't think any of us have the answer

863
00:40:35,261 --> 00:40:38,341
Speaker 3: about how you separate art from an artist, how you

864
00:40:38,342 --> 00:40:41,142
Speaker 3: go to really challenge This is a complicated story. And

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Speaker 3: later this year a movie called Michael is coming out

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Speaker 3: where his nephew plays him. This conversation about Michael Jackson

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Speaker 3: is coming up again in twenty twenty five. I think

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Speaker 3: it's going to be a really, really big one. I

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Speaker 3: know that his alleged victims have come out and spoken

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Speaker 3: just in the last few weeks.

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Speaker 4: But part of me was like, I feel like I'm here.

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Speaker 3: Supporting a diverse, talented cast have been going to musical

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Speaker 3: theater for a long time, But.

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Speaker 1: You're also also supporting the state, which is but the estate.

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Speaker 4: Children brothers, Yeah, who, Like I don't have.

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Speaker 1: Any thing you shouldn't have gone. I just think it's complicated.

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Speaker 1: It is complicated. It absolutely is.

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Speaker 2: I agree, because who doesn't like Michael jacks music. But

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Speaker 2: the thing is is it's that thing of separating the

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Speaker 2: art from the artist. Is one thing you can listen

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Speaker 2: to Michael Jackson in your house. Does it need to

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Speaker 2: have a movie and a musical and all these things

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Speaker 2: alongside these terrible allegations?

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Speaker 1: What do you do though?

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Speaker 3: When he was unequivocally like one of the biggest artists

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Speaker 3: to ever exist, like.

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Speaker 2: Can you move away?

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Speaker 1: I don't think his state wants to quietly move away?

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Speaker 3: No, no, exactly right. Anyway, it was fascinating and it

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Speaker 3: was a great musical, and I did think I was

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Speaker 3: sitting there going this is really complicated for the alleged victims.

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Speaker 3: So it's definitely complicated, but far out it's a great musical.

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Speaker 2: Is that, my friends, is all we have time for.

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Speaker 2: On our Friday show, we're done for the week. We

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Speaker 2: hope you've had a good one with us. We hope

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Speaker 2: if you're in certain parts of the country you're drying out.

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Speaker 2: And thank you so much for being here with us

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Speaker 2: all week. Mia and Jesse take us home.

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Speaker 1: A big thank you to our team. Group Executive producer

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Speaker 1: Ruth Devine.

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Speaker 3: Executive producer Emiline Gazillis, our audio producer is Leah Porgies, our.

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Speaker 1: Video producer is Josh Green, and our junior content producers

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Speaker 1: are Coco and Tessa. Goodbye.

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Speaker 3: If you are looking for something else to listen to,

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Speaker 3: yesterday's subscriber episode was all about the last two.

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Speaker 4: Episodes of The White Lotus.

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Speaker 3: We talked about that full frontal that we weren't expecting,

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Speaker 3: a bit of a shot jump skip. Also, we cannot

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Speaker 3: stop thinking about those three women, the dynamic between them

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Speaker 3: being sent to some very funny resorts.

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Speaker 1: That was a scary sound in the background. Well, Linda

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Speaker 1: is hearing some scary sounds in her room, and I

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Speaker 1: was just mimicking that.

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Speaker 4: We had so much fun just basically putting all our theories.

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Speaker 1: Out there for frontal.

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Speaker 3: Flask was yeah, exactly right, all the easter eggs. So

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Speaker 3: have a listen to that if you're into The White Lotus.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln's show notes, shout out to any Mom and me

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Speaker 1: a subscribers listening. If you love the show and want

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