WEBVTT - "Mummy, I Can See Her Bum" 0:00:10.622 --> 0:00:13.342 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.822 --> 0:00:17.182 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:17.222 --> 0:00:18.782 that this podcast is recorded on. 0:00:19.422 --> 0:00:22.502 And then he just loves a purse, which is fine 0:00:22.741 --> 0:00:26.101 off the carpet. He just liked pretty girls and nightclubs. Anyway, 0:00:26.342 --> 0:00:26.902 we digress. 0:00:26.982 --> 0:00:28.702 Did you just call Carly gener a purse? 0:00:30.422 --> 0:00:32.902 She's been carrying around a little channel purse like that's 0:00:32.942 --> 0:00:35.262 he Yeah, he dresses very interestingly. You don't hear the 0:00:35.302 --> 0:00:44.662 word purse very attie, and he loves that. Hello and 0:00:44.822 --> 0:00:47.862 welcome to Mama Mia out loud and to our Friday show. 0:00:48.302 --> 0:00:50.821 If you're having a little hyperventilate every time you see 0:00:50.862 --> 0:00:53.302 a headline pop up on your phone, We've got you. 0:00:53.542 --> 0:00:57.182 Today is a news free zone. It's Friday, the seventh 0:00:57.182 --> 0:01:00.582 of February, and I'm Holly Waynewright, I'm Meya Friedman. 0:01:00.262 --> 0:01:01.542 And I'm Jesse Stevens. 0:01:01.822 --> 0:01:04.622 And on the show today, is it ever okay to 0:01:04.782 --> 0:01:08.941 just work all the time? And a new Australian TV show, 0:01:09.142 --> 0:01:12.102 a new classic American comedy and a big Oscar movie 0:01:12.142 --> 0:01:14.502 for you to binge on the weekend. It's our recommendations 0:01:14.822 --> 0:01:17.381 and our best and worst of the week include Meer's boobs. 0:01:17.422 --> 0:01:19.662 I'm not telling you whether they're best or worst. You'll 0:01:19.662 --> 0:01:21.942 have to wait and see which Mabby went eachell into, 0:01:22.662 --> 0:01:27.542 a scone related dethroning and a shock consolation. But first Mia, 0:01:28.022 --> 0:01:28.542 in case. 0:01:28.382 --> 0:01:30.661 You missed it, suns out, buns out. If you've been 0:01:30.702 --> 0:01:33.742 anywhere near a body of water or sand over the 0:01:33.782 --> 0:01:36.022 last few summers, you would have noticed a lot of 0:01:36.022 --> 0:01:41.301 bear bums, mostly belonging to young girls wearing G string swimmers, 0:01:42.062 --> 0:01:44.182 and this has caused mixed feelings in the community. I 0:01:44.182 --> 0:01:46.382 think it would be safe to say some are celebrating 0:01:46.422 --> 0:01:50.062 the body confidence of a new generation. They're very body confident, 0:01:50.422 --> 0:01:52.502 happy to get their bum out. We were trying to 0:01:52.582 --> 0:01:55.542 hide our bums. But others are insisting that they should 0:01:55.542 --> 0:01:58.382 be banned, these g strings and indeed these naked bottoms, 0:01:58.422 --> 0:02:00.102 and one local council. 0:02:00.342 --> 0:02:01.302 Has done just that. 0:02:01.702 --> 0:02:04.622 Last week, the Blue Mountain City Council in New South 0:02:04.622 --> 0:02:08.582 Wales announced a ban on all G string swimmers at 0:02:08.582 --> 0:02:12.702 its public pool in the city. Critics argue that the 0:02:12.702 --> 0:02:17.262 band infringes on personal choice and bodily autonomy, and is 0:02:17.302 --> 0:02:20.062 about telling women what they can and can't wear, which 0:02:20.102 --> 0:02:23.022 is a big step backwards, but supporters claim that it 0:02:23.102 --> 0:02:26.462 maintains a family friendly environment in public. 0:02:26.702 --> 0:02:29.342 You can set your watch to this debate. Yes, I 0:02:29.422 --> 0:02:32.142 reckon this time next year we'll be having the same 0:02:32.262 --> 0:02:36.702 argument because it is so predictable. This time last year 0:02:37.102 --> 0:02:39.382 there was an open letter that was written by a 0:02:39.942 --> 0:02:43.142 man who basically said, I don't want to be walking 0:02:43.181 --> 0:02:45.582 down the street with your bum in front of me. 0:02:45.622 --> 0:02:48.702 I don't know where to look. And now it's come 0:02:48.782 --> 0:02:51.742 for public pools. Like when we talked about this last year, 0:02:51.862 --> 0:02:55.582 I just went, we don't seem to be able to 0:02:55.662 --> 0:03:00.982 understand how socially and culturally conditioned we are to see 0:03:00.982 --> 0:03:03.222 certain things as sexualized in the same way that an 0:03:03.222 --> 0:03:06.181 ankle was sexualized in Victorian okeran. 0:03:06.302 --> 0:03:07.982 Are you saying that bums aren't sexual? 0:03:08.422 --> 0:03:11.302 There are countries people have been wearing g string bikinis 0:03:11.342 --> 0:03:14.382 for thirty years and everyone's fine with it. There are 0:03:14.382 --> 0:03:16.142 some cultures where you walk around with that your top. 0:03:16.022 --> 0:03:18.342 Of your bum does other things than sex. 0:03:19.462 --> 0:03:21.702 But given that we are not that. 0:03:22.022 --> 0:03:24.102 I mean, I don't know when a culture starts, you 0:03:24.142 --> 0:03:25.302 know what I mean, I don't know when you. 0:03:25.422 --> 0:03:28.102 When you evolve, doesn't it evolves all the time. 0:03:28.262 --> 0:03:30.221 I don't hate this. I don't hate this bad. 0:03:30.822 --> 0:03:33.262 I reckon that if you are a private business, you 0:03:33.302 --> 0:03:35.662 get to decide guidelines about what people wear. If you 0:03:35.702 --> 0:03:37.742 go to a golf course, who. 0:03:37.582 --> 0:03:40.022 Has priority the person who wants to get their bum 0:03:40.062 --> 0:03:44.542 out or the people who are uncomfortable seeing the bum? 0:03:44.902 --> 0:03:47.662 If you have a right to be comfortable at all times. 0:03:47.902 --> 0:03:50.582 So how is it how is it different to boobs 0:03:50.862 --> 0:03:53.022 you just said, Jesse, there are countries where boobs are fine. 0:03:53.062 --> 0:03:55.022 People are very topless at the beach. They're very comfortable 0:03:55.022 --> 0:03:56.942 with that. So should we just do that too. 0:03:57.142 --> 0:03:59.342 I think we actually have legal guidelines when it comes 0:03:59.382 --> 0:04:02.222 to public nudity, and so there are for example, you 0:04:02.222 --> 0:04:03.782 can't walk around without pants on. 0:04:03.902 --> 0:04:05.382 Do you mean we'd like no under. 0:04:05.302 --> 0:04:08.262 With no undies on? Yeah, you can't do that unless 0:04:07.702 --> 0:04:11.782 you sorry, then that is out. But you are, as 0:04:11.822 --> 0:04:15.182 it stands, allowed to walk around in a thong bikini. 0:04:15.182 --> 0:04:17.382 And I think that this is funny when we consider 0:04:17.382 --> 0:04:19.861 that men have been walking around in budget smugglers and 0:04:19.981 --> 0:04:22.622 we've not had any issue with it. So it's women's 0:04:22.662 --> 0:04:25.022 bodies that are always more policed. 0:04:25.142 --> 0:04:28.662 And it's also interesting because this particular ruling in the 0:04:28.702 --> 0:04:31.981 Blue Mountains city area. Public pools are a big deal 0:04:31.981 --> 0:04:33.702 if you live Inland, if you don't live anywhere near 0:04:33.741 --> 0:04:36.501 the coast, if you live regionally, the place you swim, 0:04:36.621 --> 0:04:39.142 unless you're rich enough to have your own pool is 0:04:39.181 --> 0:04:41.622 the public pool. And so it's a melting pot, right. 0:04:41.662 --> 0:04:44.022 You've got all different cultures, You've got people of all 0:04:44.022 --> 0:04:47.181 different ages, You've got people of all different backgrounds and 0:04:47.301 --> 0:04:51.222 all different persuasions. And in a way, any public space 0:04:51.342 --> 0:04:55.381 like that is a tolerance tester, right, Like, how comfortable 0:04:55.421 --> 0:04:58.022 are we to all rub up against each other sometimes 0:04:58.061 --> 0:05:01.541 literally in the public pool and each other's standards. MEA 0:05:01.662 --> 0:05:04.342 might be there who thinks that all bombs are a 0:05:04.421 --> 0:05:06.302 sexual Come on, is that what you think? Do you 0:05:06.342 --> 0:05:10.421 have a particular lineous the bar? 0:05:11.902 --> 0:05:13.502 What are you allowed to have a little bit of 0:05:13.582 --> 0:05:15.902 check or no cheek shots perhaps or pens? 0:05:15.941 --> 0:05:19.822 I find it challenging not to look at myself, but 0:05:20.101 --> 0:05:23.621 this idea of because like, if you're wearing a g string, 0:05:24.501 --> 0:05:27.981 are you wearing it so that the people to appear. 0:05:28.662 --> 0:05:30.301 To be honest? The reason you're wearing it is because 0:05:30.301 --> 0:05:33.662 it's in fashion. Like literally, as you said in your 0:05:33.662 --> 0:05:36.422 intro in the last few years, suddenly it's everywhere, and 0:05:36.941 --> 0:05:39.022 it's interesting. Where I live, I don't see as many 0:05:39.101 --> 0:05:41.501 g strings. But I was in Sydney last weekend and 0:05:41.541 --> 0:05:43.622 I'm at the beaches I used to live at, and 0:05:43.941 --> 0:05:46.301 it's the only swimmers you see on young women, and 0:05:46.342 --> 0:05:49.022 it's because it's in fashion. I don't actually think they're 0:05:49.101 --> 0:05:54.501 thinking very much about what it means, what it's strategy. 0:05:54.621 --> 0:05:56.782 I think it's more flattering, and I think that I 0:05:56.821 --> 0:05:58.981 have this conversation with my daughter all the time. She 0:05:59.181 --> 0:06:01.861 thinks that it's more I mean, I'm completely used to 0:06:01.902 --> 0:06:04.222 it now, but she thinks it's more flattering, and she 0:06:04.342 --> 0:06:08.061 thinks that me with my covered up bottoms, that it 0:06:08.142 --> 0:06:10.901 looks terrible and it just looks really awful. And I 0:06:10.902 --> 0:06:13.101 can see to her, I like my eyes become accustomed 0:06:13.142 --> 0:06:16.701 to it. But like where like on the beach is fine. 0:06:17.061 --> 0:06:19.981 I've told this story before when we've been away at 0:06:19.981 --> 0:06:22.502 a resort and then the girls are like that and 0:06:22.541 --> 0:06:24.262 the beach and swimming, that's fine. But then you come 0:06:24.262 --> 0:06:26.342 into the restaurant and you walk. 0:06:26.181 --> 0:06:29.662 Back to your room on the road. What does your productimity, 0:06:30.142 --> 0:06:31.902 what does your proximity. 0:06:31.342 --> 0:06:35.141 Need to be to water to have to put your 0:06:35.181 --> 0:06:37.942 bum away and also to not be in your budgies 0:06:38.022 --> 0:06:39.021 like I don't. 0:06:38.861 --> 0:06:39.261 Think you have. 0:06:39.342 --> 0:06:40.301 I don't know away. 0:06:40.501 --> 0:06:43.421 I think it's fine. I think that if you can 0:06:43.462 --> 0:06:48.621 smell sea water or any water, anybody of chlorine chlorine. 0:06:48.421 --> 0:06:50.381 So not at the supermarket, not at the shops. 0:06:50.741 --> 0:06:56.941 It depends on when you get Is it okay to 0:06:57.022 --> 0:06:59.701 work all the time? This week Mother and Maya launched 0:06:59.702 --> 0:07:02.581 a brand new podcast called biz and it is all 0:07:02.621 --> 0:07:05.662 about rewriting the rules of work for a new generation. 0:07:06.501 --> 0:07:10.062 It interrogates what your work life is actually meant look like. 0:07:10.142 --> 0:07:13.822 And this is the question that I've been pondering for months. 0:07:14.422 --> 0:07:16.542 Over the summer, I listened to an interview on search 0:07:16.542 --> 0:07:18.901 Engine where they spoke to Ira Glass, the host and 0:07:18.941 --> 0:07:21.821 producer of This American Life, which is one of the 0:07:21.821 --> 0:07:25.622 biggest radio and podcast shows ever made. It asked the 0:07:25.702 --> 0:07:29.462 question that inspired this segment, is it okay to work 0:07:29.462 --> 0:07:32.502 all the time? The only word we have for someone 0:07:32.502 --> 0:07:36.982 who prioritizes work is a workaholic, And the implication is 0:07:37.062 --> 0:07:40.142 that it is a narrow, somewhat sad way to live 0:07:40.222 --> 0:07:42.702 your life. But if I had to summarize it, and 0:07:42.821 --> 0:07:44.782 unhealthy and unhealthy. 0:07:44.302 --> 0:07:48.701 And as a result of an addiction paslogic some problem. 0:07:48.862 --> 0:07:51.862 Glass kind of says in this episode, Yeah, it's okay 0:07:51.902 --> 0:07:53.822 to work all the time if you love it, if 0:07:53.862 --> 0:07:55.581 you believe in it, working all the time can be 0:07:55.702 --> 0:07:59.222 enormously fulfilling. And does he think he would have got 0:07:59.262 --> 0:08:02.062 to where he is without putting in eighty plus hour weeks. 0:08:02.302 --> 0:08:05.502 Probably not. We have a cover story on Muma Mia 0:08:05.582 --> 0:08:07.502 this week about the death of the girl Boss. One 0:08:07.502 --> 0:08:09.982 of the hosts of Beers, Michelle Battersby, is on TikTok 0:08:10.022 --> 0:08:13.661 talking about revenge, quitting the buzzwords when it comes to work, 0:08:13.742 --> 0:08:16.862 a flexibility and work life balance, and how to avoid burnout. 0:08:17.502 --> 0:08:20.662 So is there something pathological about wanting to work all 0:08:20.702 --> 0:08:23.622 the time? Maya? You have deep seated issues, does this 0:08:23.702 --> 0:08:24.302 resonate with you? 0:08:26.342 --> 0:08:28.342 I was really interested when you sent me a link 0:08:28.381 --> 0:08:30.902 to that podcast until I listened more. 0:08:30.941 --> 0:08:31.542 And I really. 0:08:31.381 --> 0:08:35.022 Respect the two podcasters, PJ Vote who's the host, and 0:08:35.062 --> 0:08:37.661 of course Ara Glass, who's iconic in the podcasting and 0:08:37.742 --> 0:08:41.662 journalism world. I was really interested in them both talking 0:08:41.662 --> 0:08:43.502 about how much they love to work and if it's 0:08:43.542 --> 0:08:45.542 okay to work all the time, until I learned that 0:08:45.622 --> 0:08:48.182 neither of them have children and they're both single. 0:08:48.222 --> 0:08:50.942 Actually, that was actually where he was starting from, was 0:08:50.942 --> 0:08:53.182 that he's at a threshold in his life where he's going, 0:08:53.702 --> 0:08:55.902 do I don't tie? And is it okay to dedicate 0:08:55.902 --> 0:08:58.302 a life to work like that was sort of part 0:08:58.342 --> 0:09:00.622 of the philosophical drive for the episode. 0:09:00.662 --> 0:09:03.782 I think the first thing to say is that, my goodness, 0:09:04.062 --> 0:09:07.742 what a privileged conversation to have, because we're talking about 0:09:08.182 --> 0:09:10.262 is it okay to work all the time because you 0:09:10.422 --> 0:09:14.062 want it? Versus is it okay to work all the 0:09:14.102 --> 0:09:16.542 time because you need to to keep a roof over 0:09:16.582 --> 0:09:19.302 your head, or pay single parents because you don't have 0:09:19.342 --> 0:09:22.302 health insurance and you've got medical bills to pay. So 0:09:22.342 --> 0:09:24.742 I think for most people who work more than they 0:09:24.782 --> 0:09:29.542 want to, it's not about some existential choice. Right. Having 0:09:29.622 --> 0:09:34.022 said that, we are talking about this idea of it's 0:09:34.062 --> 0:09:36.622 so interesting in Beers this generation, and m does it 0:09:36.622 --> 0:09:39.622 so well on the show, is their boundaries. So while 0:09:39.702 --> 0:09:44.502 perhaps a generation ago we fetishized working around the clock 0:09:44.582 --> 0:09:46.582 and back in my dome, we slept in the office 0:09:46.582 --> 0:09:48.062 and we worked all blah blah, and we just did 0:09:48.142 --> 0:09:51.142 what it took and blah blah, it's now very uncool 0:09:51.222 --> 0:09:53.422 to be that. It's now much more cool to be 0:09:54.542 --> 0:09:58.062 m Vernon's vibe, which is I'm really ambitious, but I 0:09:58.142 --> 0:10:00.422 want to do it in the least amount of possible time. 0:10:00.662 --> 0:10:03.381 I'm also really lazy. I don't love work that. 0:10:03.422 --> 0:10:06.462 Much, but I do want to be successful. Like it's 0:10:06.502 --> 0:10:09.302 saying all the quiet parts out loud and feeling like 0:10:09.342 --> 0:10:12.742 you it have to perhaps try as hard. And I 0:10:12.782 --> 0:10:15.302 think that there's a generation of us who are like, wait, 0:10:15.462 --> 0:10:17.422 is that an option? I don't know how to do that. 0:10:17.822 --> 0:10:20.142 The way that PJ sets up this episode is that 0:10:20.262 --> 0:10:22.622 he overheard a conversation between a man in his twenties 0:10:22.622 --> 0:10:24.382 and a man in his fifties, and the man in 0:10:24.422 --> 0:10:29.742 his twenties said, I love working. It makes me feel alive. 0:10:29.902 --> 0:10:32.022 It is my whole purpose, is all I want to do, 0:10:32.342 --> 0:10:34.022 and the man in his fifties sort of looked at 0:10:34.102 --> 0:10:37.942 him and went, that'll change. And the implication was that 0:10:38.062 --> 0:10:41.142 as you get older, as you get wiser, your relationship 0:10:41.142 --> 0:10:43.182 with work evolves because you realize that it's not the 0:10:43.182 --> 0:10:45.862 most important thing. Has that been your experience. 0:10:46.182 --> 0:10:49.062 It's really tricky because I think that even just work 0:10:49.182 --> 0:10:51.942 it means lots of different things. To lots of different 0:10:51.982 --> 0:10:55.702 people because you're right Mayor about that the grind is 0:10:55.742 --> 0:10:58.902 out of fashion. But that's also because in a very 0:10:59.022 --> 0:11:02.822 self focused culture, the vibe is, why would I kill 0:11:02.862 --> 0:11:05.422 myself for you? I don't mean you literally, yeah, I 0:11:05.462 --> 0:11:06.062 mean my box? 0:11:06.342 --> 0:11:06.462 Right? 0:11:06.622 --> 0:11:10.262 Then why would I put in overtime? I've never seen 0:11:10.302 --> 0:11:13.422 my children, never get to go to my mum's birthday, 0:11:13.902 --> 0:11:17.382 miss my best friend's you know, engagement party, so that 0:11:17.462 --> 0:11:19.822 my boss likes me more like, I think that in 0:11:19.862 --> 0:11:23.542 a more self focused culture, they're like what they want, 0:11:23.582 --> 0:11:26.662 a much clearer idea of what this exchange is, like 0:11:26.702 --> 0:11:29.142 what do I need to do to get what I need? 0:11:29.662 --> 0:11:32.582 And maybe they're still into the hustle if it just 0:11:32.622 --> 0:11:34.702 benefits them, do you know what I mean? Because I 0:11:34.742 --> 0:11:38.262 think that that's part of this cultural shit. I think 0:11:38.302 --> 0:11:40.742 whereas what me is talking about about the gen X 0:11:40.862 --> 0:11:42.902 work culture, and I think this is particularly true probably 0:11:42.942 --> 0:11:46.102 of women, because if you think about how hard many 0:11:46.142 --> 0:11:50.942 many women had to work to prove themselves in traditional industries. 0:11:51.342 --> 0:11:53.022 It was like, can I go above and beyond? I 0:11:53.062 --> 0:11:55.782 need to be better than everybody. I will stay that 0:11:55.902 --> 0:11:58.782 extra two hours, I will come in early. It was 0:11:58.902 --> 0:12:03.102 like a striving that maybe the culture underneath has looked 0:12:03.102 --> 0:12:04.702 at and gone. But what did you get for that? 0:12:04.942 --> 0:12:05.582 Do you know what I mean? 0:12:05.782 --> 0:12:06.942 What did you really get for that? 0:12:07.262 --> 0:12:09.862 You said it was self focused, which is part of it, 0:12:09.942 --> 0:12:13.302 But I also think it's being very sensitive to exploitation. 0:12:13.742 --> 0:12:17.582 And we've probably had a generation where some workers did 0:12:17.622 --> 0:12:21.462 feel exploited, or there's a generation I think COVID was 0:12:21.462 --> 0:12:24.822 also a moment where people were laid off, they lost 0:12:24.822 --> 0:12:27.062 their jobs for this thing that they gave everything too, 0:12:27.582 --> 0:12:29.822 and then the workplace turned around didn't love you back. 0:12:30.102 --> 0:12:34.422 And you have the workplace some workplaces where you go, oh, 0:12:34.462 --> 0:12:37.702 I'm working around the clock for something that isn't giving 0:12:37.742 --> 0:12:40.862 me what I'm giving it, which I think is somewhat 0:12:40.902 --> 0:12:42.062 of a workplace revolution. 0:12:42.102 --> 0:12:43.902 So I think all that goes into the pot and 0:12:43.982 --> 0:12:46.422 mixes up and sort of comes out in this realignment 0:12:46.462 --> 0:12:49.662 we're having. But in terms of that thing about age, 0:12:50.542 --> 0:12:54.702 I think it's more about priorities, right because to me 0:12:54.782 --> 0:12:56.662 A's point at the beginning that if you're working to 0:12:56.702 --> 0:12:59.222 put a roof over your head and food on the table, 0:12:59.262 --> 0:13:01.422 and so you're taking on extra shifts to do that, 0:13:01.582 --> 0:13:03.622 and maybe you're a single parent and maybe you know 0:13:03.942 --> 0:13:06.822 then that's like the bare necessities. But then if you've 0:13:06.982 --> 0:13:10.742 established that, then the choice becomes what is the payoff 0:13:10.782 --> 0:13:14.422 between the amount of work I'll do to get more 0:13:14.942 --> 0:13:16.862 and what it will take from me? Because I think, 0:13:16.902 --> 0:13:19.022 of course it's okay to work all the time, but 0:13:19.062 --> 0:13:21.462 you've got to expect that that'll cost you elsewhere. Like 0:13:21.542 --> 0:13:24.862 any arrangement in your life, you'll put in and you'll 0:13:24.902 --> 0:13:26.182 have to sacrifice something for it. 0:13:26.222 --> 0:13:29.102 I also found it a really unsatisfying conversation because it 0:13:29.142 --> 0:13:31.982 was between two men. Not only do they not have 0:13:32.222 --> 0:13:35.902 dependence that they spoke of in the form of children, 0:13:36.102 --> 0:13:40.982 but they also were men. So the culture and what 0:13:41.022 --> 0:13:45.902 we internalize around women and work is very, very different. 0:13:45.982 --> 0:13:49.342 It's why I always think about actresses like Angelina, Julie 0:13:49.382 --> 0:13:52.422 and Nicole Kidman. They always have to talk about I 0:13:52.622 --> 0:13:55.982 work to help other people. I do these roles for 0:13:56.102 --> 0:13:58.782 my daughters, I do these roles for my mother. It's like, 0:13:59.782 --> 0:14:02.982 do you actually Because it's so forbidden for a woman. 0:14:02.742 --> 0:14:05.062 To say, I bloody love work. 0:14:05.422 --> 0:14:07.342 And that's not to say we don't feel conflicted and 0:14:07.422 --> 0:14:10.182 we have to find ways to justify. But Nico doesn't 0:14:10.222 --> 0:14:12.222 have to do shit that she doesn't want to. She 0:14:12.342 --> 0:14:15.742 works a ton, and yet she still has to perform 0:14:15.902 --> 0:14:20.182 this pantomime of it's not because I enjoy it, it's selfless. 0:14:20.222 --> 0:14:22.822 There has to be something moral about your ambitions. 0:14:23.222 --> 0:14:24.782 We talked about this once when I was saying how 0:14:24.862 --> 0:14:28.342 uncomfortable it makes me in my life when the narrative 0:14:28.462 --> 0:14:30.542 that Brent will tell the kids if I'm not around 0:14:30.622 --> 0:14:34.142 is Mummy's working really hard for us, right, And I 0:14:34.342 --> 0:14:37.942 entirely understand why he says that, and it's true I am, 0:14:38.302 --> 0:14:41.622 But is that the only reason, Like, could I not 0:14:42.382 --> 0:14:45.342 similar outcome that we would have food on the table 0:14:45.822 --> 0:14:48.422 and we would make the mortgage payments and I could 0:14:48.462 --> 0:14:51.702 be home a bit more. Yes, if the only fact, 0:14:51.822 --> 0:14:55.582 if the only variable was mummy's working hard for the 0:14:55.582 --> 0:14:58.422 food and the mortgage, then there probably could be a 0:14:58.422 --> 0:15:01.382 workaround that would mean I was around more. But that's 0:15:01.422 --> 0:15:03.342 why I think you've got to own the selfish part 0:15:03.382 --> 0:15:05.262 a little bit. And selfish is a negative word, but 0:15:05.302 --> 0:15:07.262 it's like, but I do love it, and I do 0:15:07.342 --> 0:15:08.022 love my words. 0:15:08.742 --> 0:15:11.742 You just said, so you didn't say ambitious. When someone 0:15:11.742 --> 0:15:14.462 says a woman is ambitious, it's usually particularly if it's 0:15:14.462 --> 0:15:18.222 another woman, it's coded as being she's selfish, because that's 0:15:18.302 --> 0:15:22.382 how women working for any other reason than necessity or 0:15:22.422 --> 0:15:25.142 for the benefit of someone else, it's coded as selfish. 0:15:25.142 --> 0:15:27.502 And the other thing that's worth noting is that the 0:15:27.502 --> 0:15:29.422 Internet is allowed us to work all the time. Like 0:15:29.462 --> 0:15:31.302 it used to be that you couldn't like there was 0:15:31.342 --> 0:15:34.222 only so much you could do thanks to technology or 0:15:34.262 --> 0:15:34.822 the lack of it. 0:15:35.022 --> 0:15:36.542 Now there's no endpoint. 0:15:36.622 --> 0:15:39.782 The people I know who have the best boundaried work 0:15:39.822 --> 0:15:42.622 life balance, to use that Hackney term, in my life 0:15:42.902 --> 0:15:45.342 are people whose jobs are very clearly on and very 0:15:45.342 --> 0:15:48.822 clearly off and like although Mea will always win obviously 0:15:48.822 --> 0:15:50.662 the working hard Olympics around here because she runs a 0:15:50.662 --> 0:15:54.542 business that never literally never turns off. My work is 0:15:54.782 --> 0:15:56.982 I rarely have a day off because there's always something 0:15:57.022 --> 0:15:58.982 that can be done, Whereas when I had a more 0:15:59.022 --> 0:16:03.062 managerial role, I probably was at work more, but I 0:16:03.142 --> 0:16:06.062 had more clear definition. And that's a big difference. 0:16:05.702 --> 0:16:08.822 To out loud as in a Moment, a truish story 0:16:09.142 --> 0:16:12.022 that was based on a lie and changed everything. 0:16:15.942 --> 0:16:19.822 Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun. 0:16:20.382 --> 0:16:21.902 This is my best recommendation. 0:16:23.582 --> 0:16:27.862 It's time for our recommendations, the things that we are recommending. 0:16:28.062 --> 0:16:31.902 As the name suggests, Wow, now we all have that 0:16:31.902 --> 0:16:32.942 should be the tapping. 0:16:32.742 --> 0:16:33.782 Line for this segment for. 0:16:33.782 --> 0:16:34.582 You to watch. 0:16:34.822 --> 0:16:36.622 I'm going to trademarket and put it on T shirt. 0:16:36.982 --> 0:16:38.182 We all have things for you to watch. 0:16:39.182 --> 0:16:40.382 You might have to want to go fast. 0:16:40.702 --> 0:16:41.662 You're going to go first. 0:16:42.222 --> 0:16:44.702 You know those weeks when you can't wait for Friday 0:16:44.742 --> 0:16:47.262 because you're so desperate to recommend what you need to recommend, 0:16:47.302 --> 0:16:51.182 because you fucking nailed your recommendation. Yeah, that's me this week. 0:16:51.982 --> 0:16:54.502 I'm late to the party. But season two of this 0:16:54.542 --> 0:16:58.782 season has just dropped, so it's been sort of reinvigorated Severance. 0:17:02.022 --> 0:17:05.222 What you all did was one of the most painful 0:17:05.222 --> 0:17:11.182 moments in the history of this company. But the four 0:17:11.222 --> 0:17:16.901 of you have become known as the face of Severance reform. 0:17:16.982 --> 0:17:18.302 Okay, so we're not in trouble. 0:17:18.381 --> 0:17:20.861 I don't think so. Melchik said, we're famous, all of 0:17:20.942 --> 0:17:25.982 us equally, or one of us is like to start 0:17:26.861 --> 0:17:27.262 So what. 0:17:27.182 --> 0:17:30.821 The hell did you guys see up there? It's not 0:17:30.942 --> 0:17:32.101 our world up there, And. 0:17:34.101 --> 0:17:36.741 Oh my god, I'm on the Severance train. It is 0:17:36.782 --> 0:17:40.262 a show on Apple TV, and it's about work right, 0:17:40.502 --> 0:17:44.101 It's work. It is stunning, it is brilliant, it is genius, 0:17:44.262 --> 0:17:46.982 it is life changing from the beginning. 0:17:47.182 --> 0:17:50.542 Okay, everyone's time three times to watch it. 0:17:50.621 --> 0:17:53.101 Okay, I have a hack for you in terms of that. 0:17:53.141 --> 0:17:55.462 But I'm going to start by saying, it's got Adam Scott, Scott, 0:17:55.502 --> 0:17:58.661 Tricia Quet, it's got Christopher Walken, it's directed by Ben Steel. 0:17:58.782 --> 0:18:02.302 My god, that saying more. Okay, Maya. I saw the 0:18:02.302 --> 0:18:04.782 ad I read the description. I watched half an episode 0:18:05.422 --> 0:18:07.581 two years ago, and I went, it's not for me. 0:18:08.462 --> 0:18:11.421 Stopian felt like black Meer and now like The Office. 0:18:11.782 --> 0:18:14.101 God, no, it's like black Mirror. 0:18:14.141 --> 0:18:14.982 So it's not funny. 0:18:15.141 --> 0:18:18.222 It is. Actually it's dark. It's got kind of dark humor. 0:18:18.262 --> 0:18:23.341 It's a psychological thriller. It's dystopian. But I got halfway 0:18:23.381 --> 0:18:26.382 through the episode and I looked at Lucra and I went, no, 0:18:26.581 --> 0:18:28.782 it's just not doing it for me, and he was like, no, no, no, 0:18:28.861 --> 0:18:31.101 I'm in by the end of that first you just 0:18:31.182 --> 0:18:33.502 youve got to trust me. Okay, Okay, you just got 0:18:33.502 --> 0:18:36.302 to watch the first episode. Now, this is a premise. 0:18:36.661 --> 0:18:39.141 So Mark Scout, who's played by Adam Scott, is an 0:18:39.141 --> 0:18:44.141 employee at a company called Luhmen. Right, and Luhmen does 0:18:44.141 --> 0:18:45.982 this thing where they insert a chip in your brain 0:18:46.422 --> 0:18:49.302 and you become a severed employee. What that means is 0:18:49.302 --> 0:18:52.181 that when you walk into your work building, you become 0:18:52.222 --> 0:18:54.421 your work self, otherwise known as an inny, and you 0:18:54.462 --> 0:18:58.581 have no memories of your outing. So you go and 0:18:58.621 --> 0:19:00.982 have a work day, like we're having our work day 0:19:01.022 --> 0:19:02.581 right now. I don't even know I have a kid, 0:19:03.061 --> 0:19:04.022 I don't know I'm married. 0:19:04.022 --> 0:19:06.101 I presider of bringing your whole self to words, it's 0:19:06.141 --> 0:19:06.862 the opposite. 0:19:06.901 --> 0:19:08.622 And then you walk out and then I go home 0:19:08.661 --> 0:19:12.182 to Luna could have state secrets. I've got absolutely no idea. 0:19:12.222 --> 0:19:15.222 So that big idea. The big question is why would 0:19:15.222 --> 0:19:17.981 someone choose that what has happened in someone's life to 0:19:18.061 --> 0:19:21.502 go Why would they consent to that in the first place, 0:19:21.502 --> 0:19:23.861 because they've signed up for it? Right, Oh my god, 0:19:23.901 --> 0:19:26.182 it's just so so so okay. It's like the best 0:19:26.302 --> 0:19:28.341 episode of Black Mary you've ever seen. Back in twenty 0:19:28.381 --> 0:19:30.341 twenty two, when the first season came out, it was 0:19:30.381 --> 0:19:34.061 nominated fourteen Emmys, Right, and then we have waited years 0:19:34.101 --> 0:19:36.782 because of writers strikes, because of all of this. For 0:19:36.861 --> 0:19:39.382 the next season. I started on Friday, and I am 0:19:39.381 --> 0:19:44.381 now up to date and it's just oh, okay, watch 0:19:44.381 --> 0:19:45.782