1 00:00:10,622 --> 00:00:13,342 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,822 --> 00:00:17,182 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,222 --> 00:00:18,782 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:19,422 --> 00:00:22,502 Speaker 3: And then he just loves a purse, which is fine 5 00:00:22,741 --> 00:00:26,101 Speaker 3: off the carpet. He just liked pretty girls and nightclubs. Anyway, 6 00:00:26,342 --> 00:00:26,902 Speaker 3: we digress. 7 00:00:26,982 --> 00:00:28,702 Speaker 1: Did you just call Carly gener a purse? 8 00:00:30,422 --> 00:00:32,902 Speaker 3: She's been carrying around a little channel purse like that's 9 00:00:32,942 --> 00:00:35,262 Speaker 3: he Yeah, he dresses very interestingly. You don't hear the 10 00:00:35,302 --> 00:00:44,662 Speaker 3: word purse very attie, and he loves that. Hello and 11 00:00:44,822 --> 00:00:47,862 Speaker 3: welcome to Mama Mia out loud and to our Friday show. 12 00:00:48,302 --> 00:00:50,821 Speaker 3: If you're having a little hyperventilate every time you see 13 00:00:50,862 --> 00:00:53,302 Speaker 3: a headline pop up on your phone, We've got you. 14 00:00:53,542 --> 00:00:57,182 Speaker 3: Today is a news free zone. It's Friday, the seventh 15 00:00:57,182 --> 00:01:00,582 Speaker 3: of February, and I'm Holly Waynewright, I'm Meya Friedman. 16 00:01:00,262 --> 00:01:01,542 Speaker 2: And I'm Jesse Stevens. 17 00:01:01,822 --> 00:01:04,622 Speaker 3: And on the show today, is it ever okay to 18 00:01:04,782 --> 00:01:08,941 Speaker 3: just work all the time? And a new Australian TV show, 19 00:01:09,142 --> 00:01:12,102 Speaker 3: a new classic American comedy and a big Oscar movie 20 00:01:12,142 --> 00:01:14,502 Speaker 3: for you to binge on the weekend. It's our recommendations 21 00:01:14,822 --> 00:01:17,381 Speaker 3: and our best and worst of the week include Meer's boobs. 22 00:01:17,422 --> 00:01:19,662 Speaker 3: I'm not telling you whether they're best or worst. You'll 23 00:01:19,662 --> 00:01:21,942 Speaker 3: have to wait and see which Mabby went eachell into, 24 00:01:22,662 --> 00:01:27,542 Speaker 3: a scone related dethroning and a shock consolation. But first Mia, 25 00:01:28,022 --> 00:01:28,542 Speaker 3: in case. 26 00:01:28,382 --> 00:01:30,661 Speaker 4: You missed it, suns out, buns out. If you've been 27 00:01:30,702 --> 00:01:33,742 Speaker 4: anywhere near a body of water or sand over the 28 00:01:33,782 --> 00:01:36,022 Speaker 4: last few summers, you would have noticed a lot of 29 00:01:36,022 --> 00:01:41,301 Speaker 4: bear bums, mostly belonging to young girls wearing G string swimmers, 30 00:01:42,062 --> 00:01:44,182 Speaker 4: and this has caused mixed feelings in the community. I 31 00:01:44,182 --> 00:01:46,382 Speaker 4: think it would be safe to say some are celebrating 32 00:01:46,422 --> 00:01:50,062 Speaker 4: the body confidence of a new generation. They're very body confident, 33 00:01:50,422 --> 00:01:52,502 Speaker 4: happy to get their bum out. We were trying to 34 00:01:52,582 --> 00:01:55,542 Speaker 4: hide our bums. But others are insisting that they should 35 00:01:55,542 --> 00:01:58,382 Speaker 4: be banned, these g strings and indeed these naked bottoms, 36 00:01:58,422 --> 00:02:00,102 Speaker 4: and one local council. 37 00:02:00,342 --> 00:02:01,302 Speaker 1: Has done just that. 38 00:02:01,702 --> 00:02:04,622 Speaker 4: Last week, the Blue Mountain City Council in New South 39 00:02:04,622 --> 00:02:08,582 Speaker 4: Wales announced a ban on all G string swimmers at 40 00:02:08,582 --> 00:02:12,702 Speaker 4: its public pool in the city. Critics argue that the 41 00:02:12,702 --> 00:02:17,262 Speaker 4: band infringes on personal choice and bodily autonomy, and is 42 00:02:17,302 --> 00:02:20,062 Speaker 4: about telling women what they can and can't wear, which 43 00:02:20,102 --> 00:02:23,022 Speaker 4: is a big step backwards, but supporters claim that it 44 00:02:23,102 --> 00:02:26,462 Speaker 4: maintains a family friendly environment in public. 45 00:02:26,702 --> 00:02:29,342 Speaker 2: You can set your watch to this debate. Yes, I 46 00:02:29,422 --> 00:02:32,142 Speaker 2: reckon this time next year we'll be having the same 47 00:02:32,262 --> 00:02:36,702 Speaker 2: argument because it is so predictable. This time last year 48 00:02:37,102 --> 00:02:39,382 Speaker 2: there was an open letter that was written by a 49 00:02:39,942 --> 00:02:43,142 Speaker 2: man who basically said, I don't want to be walking 50 00:02:43,181 --> 00:02:45,582 Speaker 2: down the street with your bum in front of me. 51 00:02:45,622 --> 00:02:48,702 Speaker 2: I don't know where to look. And now it's come 52 00:02:48,782 --> 00:02:51,742 Speaker 2: for public pools. Like when we talked about this last year, 53 00:02:51,862 --> 00:02:55,582 Speaker 2: I just went, we don't seem to be able to 54 00:02:55,662 --> 00:03:00,982 Speaker 2: understand how socially and culturally conditioned we are to see 55 00:03:00,982 --> 00:03:03,222 Speaker 2: certain things as sexualized in the same way that an 56 00:03:03,222 --> 00:03:06,181 Speaker 2: ankle was sexualized in Victorian okeran. 57 00:03:06,302 --> 00:03:07,982 Speaker 1: Are you saying that bums aren't sexual? 58 00:03:08,422 --> 00:03:11,302 Speaker 2: There are countries people have been wearing g string bikinis 59 00:03:11,342 --> 00:03:14,382 Speaker 2: for thirty years and everyone's fine with it. There are 60 00:03:14,382 --> 00:03:16,142 Speaker 2: some cultures where you walk around with that your top. 61 00:03:16,022 --> 00:03:18,342 Speaker 3: Of your bum does other things than sex. 62 00:03:19,462 --> 00:03:21,702 Speaker 1: But given that we are not that. 63 00:03:22,022 --> 00:03:24,102 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know when a culture starts, you 64 00:03:24,142 --> 00:03:25,302 Speaker 4: know what I mean, I don't know when you. 65 00:03:25,422 --> 00:03:28,102 Speaker 3: When you evolve, doesn't it evolves all the time. 66 00:03:28,262 --> 00:03:30,221 Speaker 1: I don't hate this. I don't hate this bad. 67 00:03:30,822 --> 00:03:33,262 Speaker 2: I reckon that if you are a private business, you 68 00:03:33,302 --> 00:03:35,662 Speaker 2: get to decide guidelines about what people wear. If you 69 00:03:35,702 --> 00:03:37,742 Speaker 2: go to a golf course, who. 70 00:03:37,582 --> 00:03:40,022 Speaker 4: Has priority the person who wants to get their bum 71 00:03:40,062 --> 00:03:44,542 Speaker 4: out or the people who are uncomfortable seeing the bum? 72 00:03:44,902 --> 00:03:47,662 Speaker 3: If you have a right to be comfortable at all times. 73 00:03:47,902 --> 00:03:50,582 Speaker 4: So how is it how is it different to boobs 74 00:03:50,862 --> 00:03:53,022 Speaker 4: you just said, Jesse, there are countries where boobs are fine. 75 00:03:53,062 --> 00:03:55,022 Speaker 4: People are very topless at the beach. They're very comfortable 76 00:03:55,022 --> 00:03:56,942 Speaker 4: with that. So should we just do that too. 77 00:03:57,142 --> 00:03:59,342 Speaker 2: I think we actually have legal guidelines when it comes 78 00:03:59,382 --> 00:04:02,222 Speaker 2: to public nudity, and so there are for example, you 79 00:04:02,222 --> 00:04:03,782 Speaker 2: can't walk around without pants on. 80 00:04:03,902 --> 00:04:05,382 Speaker 1: Do you mean we'd like no under. 81 00:04:05,302 --> 00:04:08,262 Speaker 2: With no undies on? Yeah, you can't do that unless 82 00:04:07,702 --> 00:04:11,782 Speaker 2: you sorry, then that is out. But you are, as 83 00:04:11,822 --> 00:04:15,182 Speaker 2: it stands, allowed to walk around in a thong bikini. 84 00:04:15,182 --> 00:04:17,382 Speaker 2: And I think that this is funny when we consider 85 00:04:17,382 --> 00:04:19,861 Speaker 2: that men have been walking around in budget smugglers and 86 00:04:19,981 --> 00:04:22,622 Speaker 2: we've not had any issue with it. So it's women's 87 00:04:22,662 --> 00:04:25,022 Speaker 2: bodies that are always more policed. 88 00:04:25,142 --> 00:04:28,662 Speaker 3: And it's also interesting because this particular ruling in the 89 00:04:28,702 --> 00:04:31,981 Speaker 3: Blue Mountains city area. Public pools are a big deal 90 00:04:31,981 --> 00:04:33,702 Speaker 3: if you live Inland, if you don't live anywhere near 91 00:04:33,741 --> 00:04:36,501 Speaker 3: the coast, if you live regionally, the place you swim, 92 00:04:36,621 --> 00:04:39,142 Speaker 3: unless you're rich enough to have your own pool is 93 00:04:39,181 --> 00:04:41,622 Speaker 3: the public pool. And so it's a melting pot, right. 94 00:04:41,662 --> 00:04:44,022 Speaker 3: You've got all different cultures, You've got people of all 95 00:04:44,022 --> 00:04:47,181 Speaker 3: different ages, You've got people of all different backgrounds and 96 00:04:47,301 --> 00:04:51,222 Speaker 3: all different persuasions. And in a way, any public space 97 00:04:51,342 --> 00:04:55,381 Speaker 3: like that is a tolerance tester, right, Like, how comfortable 98 00:04:55,421 --> 00:04:58,022 Speaker 3: are we to all rub up against each other sometimes 99 00:04:58,061 --> 00:05:01,541 Speaker 3: literally in the public pool and each other's standards. MEA 100 00:05:01,662 --> 00:05:04,342 Speaker 3: might be there who thinks that all bombs are a 101 00:05:04,421 --> 00:05:06,302 Speaker 3: sexual Come on, is that what you think? Do you 102 00:05:06,342 --> 00:05:10,421 Speaker 3: have a particular lineous the bar? 103 00:05:11,902 --> 00:05:13,502 Speaker 2: What are you allowed to have a little bit of 104 00:05:13,582 --> 00:05:15,902 Speaker 2: check or no cheek shots perhaps or pens? 105 00:05:15,941 --> 00:05:19,822 Speaker 4: I find it challenging not to look at myself, but 106 00:05:20,101 --> 00:05:23,621 Speaker 4: this idea of because like, if you're wearing a g string, 107 00:05:24,501 --> 00:05:27,981 Speaker 4: are you wearing it so that the people to appear. 108 00:05:28,662 --> 00:05:30,301 Speaker 3: To be honest? The reason you're wearing it is because 109 00:05:30,301 --> 00:05:33,662 Speaker 3: it's in fashion. Like literally, as you said in your 110 00:05:33,662 --> 00:05:36,422 Speaker 3: intro in the last few years, suddenly it's everywhere, and 111 00:05:36,941 --> 00:05:39,022 Speaker 3: it's interesting. Where I live, I don't see as many 112 00:05:39,101 --> 00:05:41,501 Speaker 3: g strings. But I was in Sydney last weekend and 113 00:05:41,541 --> 00:05:43,622 Speaker 3: I'm at the beaches I used to live at, and 114 00:05:43,941 --> 00:05:46,301 Speaker 3: it's the only swimmers you see on young women, and 115 00:05:46,342 --> 00:05:49,022 Speaker 3: it's because it's in fashion. I don't actually think they're 116 00:05:49,101 --> 00:05:54,501 Speaker 3: thinking very much about what it means, what it's strategy. 117 00:05:54,621 --> 00:05:56,782 Speaker 4: I think it's more flattering, and I think that I 118 00:05:56,821 --> 00:05:58,981 Speaker 4: have this conversation with my daughter all the time. She 119 00:05:59,181 --> 00:06:01,861 Speaker 4: thinks that it's more I mean, I'm completely used to 120 00:06:01,902 --> 00:06:04,222 Speaker 4: it now, but she thinks it's more flattering, and she 121 00:06:04,342 --> 00:06:08,061 Speaker 4: thinks that me with my covered up bottoms, that it 122 00:06:08,142 --> 00:06:10,901 Speaker 4: looks terrible and it just looks really awful. And I 123 00:06:10,902 --> 00:06:13,101 Speaker 4: can see to her, I like my eyes become accustomed 124 00:06:13,142 --> 00:06:16,701 Speaker 4: to it. But like where like on the beach is fine. 125 00:06:17,061 --> 00:06:19,981 Speaker 4: I've told this story before when we've been away at 126 00:06:19,981 --> 00:06:22,502 Speaker 4: a resort and then the girls are like that and 127 00:06:22,541 --> 00:06:24,262 Speaker 4: the beach and swimming, that's fine. But then you come 128 00:06:24,262 --> 00:06:26,342 Speaker 4: into the restaurant and you walk. 129 00:06:26,181 --> 00:06:29,662 Speaker 1: Back to your room on the road. What does your productimity, 130 00:06:30,142 --> 00:06:31,902 Speaker 1: what does your proximity. 131 00:06:31,342 --> 00:06:35,141 Speaker 4: Need to be to water to have to put your 132 00:06:35,181 --> 00:06:37,942 Speaker 4: bum away and also to not be in your budgies 133 00:06:38,022 --> 00:06:39,021 Speaker 4: like I don't. 134 00:06:38,861 --> 00:06:39,261 Speaker 3: Think you have. 135 00:06:39,342 --> 00:06:40,301 Speaker 1: I don't know away. 136 00:06:40,501 --> 00:06:43,421 Speaker 2: I think it's fine. I think that if you can 137 00:06:43,462 --> 00:06:48,621 Speaker 2: smell sea water or any water, anybody of chlorine chlorine. 138 00:06:48,421 --> 00:06:50,381 Speaker 4: So not at the supermarket, not at the shops. 139 00:06:50,741 --> 00:06:56,941 Speaker 2: It depends on when you get Is it okay to 140 00:06:57,022 --> 00:06:59,701 Speaker 2: work all the time? This week Mother and Maya launched 141 00:06:59,702 --> 00:07:02,581 Speaker 2: a brand new podcast called biz and it is all 142 00:07:02,621 --> 00:07:05,662 Speaker 2: about rewriting the rules of work for a new generation. 143 00:07:06,501 --> 00:07:10,062 Speaker 2: It interrogates what your work life is actually meant look like. 144 00:07:10,142 --> 00:07:13,822 Speaker 2: And this is the question that I've been pondering for months. 145 00:07:14,422 --> 00:07:16,542 Speaker 2: Over the summer, I listened to an interview on search 146 00:07:16,542 --> 00:07:18,901 Speaker 2: Engine where they spoke to Ira Glass, the host and 147 00:07:18,941 --> 00:07:21,821 Speaker 2: producer of This American Life, which is one of the 148 00:07:21,821 --> 00:07:25,622 Speaker 2: biggest radio and podcast shows ever made. It asked the 149 00:07:25,702 --> 00:07:29,462 Speaker 2: question that inspired this segment, is it okay to work 150 00:07:29,462 --> 00:07:32,502 Speaker 2: all the time? The only word we have for someone 151 00:07:32,502 --> 00:07:36,982 Speaker 2: who prioritizes work is a workaholic, And the implication is 152 00:07:37,062 --> 00:07:40,142 Speaker 2: that it is a narrow, somewhat sad way to live 153 00:07:40,222 --> 00:07:42,702 Speaker 2: your life. But if I had to summarize it, and 154 00:07:42,821 --> 00:07:44,782 Speaker 2: unhealthy and unhealthy. 155 00:07:44,302 --> 00:07:48,701 Speaker 4: And as a result of an addiction paslogic some problem. 156 00:07:48,862 --> 00:07:51,862 Speaker 2: Glass kind of says in this episode, Yeah, it's okay 157 00:07:51,902 --> 00:07:53,822 Speaker 2: to work all the time if you love it, if 158 00:07:53,862 --> 00:07:55,581 Speaker 2: you believe in it, working all the time can be 159 00:07:55,702 --> 00:07:59,222 Speaker 2: enormously fulfilling. And does he think he would have got 160 00:07:59,262 --> 00:08:02,062 Speaker 2: to where he is without putting in eighty plus hour weeks. 161 00:08:02,302 --> 00:08:05,502 Speaker 2: Probably not. We have a cover story on Muma Mia 162 00:08:05,582 --> 00:08:07,502 Speaker 2: this week about the death of the girl Boss. One 163 00:08:07,502 --> 00:08:09,982 Speaker 2: of the hosts of Beers, Michelle Battersby, is on TikTok 164 00:08:10,022 --> 00:08:13,661 Speaker 2: talking about revenge, quitting the buzzwords when it comes to work, 165 00:08:13,742 --> 00:08:16,862 Speaker 2: a flexibility and work life balance, and how to avoid burnout. 166 00:08:17,502 --> 00:08:20,662 Speaker 2: So is there something pathological about wanting to work all 167 00:08:20,702 --> 00:08:23,622 Speaker 2: the time? Maya? You have deep seated issues, does this 168 00:08:23,702 --> 00:08:24,302 Speaker 2: resonate with you? 169 00:08:26,342 --> 00:08:28,342 Speaker 4: I was really interested when you sent me a link 170 00:08:28,381 --> 00:08:30,902 Speaker 4: to that podcast until I listened more. 171 00:08:30,941 --> 00:08:31,542 Speaker 1: And I really. 172 00:08:31,381 --> 00:08:35,022 Speaker 4: Respect the two podcasters, PJ Vote who's the host, and 173 00:08:35,062 --> 00:08:37,661 Speaker 4: of course Ara Glass, who's iconic in the podcasting and 174 00:08:37,742 --> 00:08:41,662 Speaker 4: journalism world. I was really interested in them both talking 175 00:08:41,662 --> 00:08:43,502 Speaker 4: about how much they love to work and if it's 176 00:08:43,542 --> 00:08:45,542 Speaker 4: okay to work all the time, until I learned that 177 00:08:45,622 --> 00:08:48,182 Speaker 4: neither of them have children and they're both single. 178 00:08:48,222 --> 00:08:50,942 Speaker 2: Actually, that was actually where he was starting from, was 179 00:08:50,942 --> 00:08:53,182 Speaker 2: that he's at a threshold in his life where he's going, 180 00:08:53,702 --> 00:08:55,902 Speaker 2: do I don't tie? And is it okay to dedicate 181 00:08:55,902 --> 00:08:58,302 Speaker 2: a life to work like that was sort of part 182 00:08:58,342 --> 00:09:00,622 Speaker 2: of the philosophical drive for the episode. 183 00:09:00,662 --> 00:09:03,782 Speaker 4: I think the first thing to say is that, my goodness, 184 00:09:04,062 --> 00:09:07,742 Speaker 4: what a privileged conversation to have, because we're talking about 185 00:09:08,182 --> 00:09:10,262 Speaker 4: is it okay to work all the time because you 186 00:09:10,422 --> 00:09:14,062 Speaker 4: want it? Versus is it okay to work all the 187 00:09:14,102 --> 00:09:16,542 Speaker 4: time because you need to to keep a roof over 188 00:09:16,582 --> 00:09:19,302 Speaker 4: your head, or pay single parents because you don't have 189 00:09:19,342 --> 00:09:22,302 Speaker 4: health insurance and you've got medical bills to pay. So 190 00:09:22,342 --> 00:09:24,742 Speaker 4: I think for most people who work more than they 191 00:09:24,782 --> 00:09:29,542 Speaker 4: want to, it's not about some existential choice. Right. Having 192 00:09:29,622 --> 00:09:34,022 Speaker 4: said that, we are talking about this idea of it's 193 00:09:34,062 --> 00:09:36,622 Speaker 4: so interesting in Beers this generation, and m does it 194 00:09:36,622 --> 00:09:39,622 Speaker 4: so well on the show, is their boundaries. So while 195 00:09:39,702 --> 00:09:44,502 Speaker 4: perhaps a generation ago we fetishized working around the clock 196 00:09:44,582 --> 00:09:46,582 Speaker 4: and back in my dome, we slept in the office 197 00:09:46,582 --> 00:09:48,062 Speaker 4: and we worked all blah blah, and we just did 198 00:09:48,142 --> 00:09:51,142 Speaker 4: what it took and blah blah, it's now very uncool 199 00:09:51,222 --> 00:09:53,422 Speaker 4: to be that. It's now much more cool to be 200 00:09:54,542 --> 00:09:58,062 Speaker 4: m Vernon's vibe, which is I'm really ambitious, but I 201 00:09:58,142 --> 00:10:00,422 Speaker 4: want to do it in the least amount of possible time. 202 00:10:00,662 --> 00:10:03,381 Speaker 1: I'm also really lazy. I don't love work that. 203 00:10:03,422 --> 00:10:06,462 Speaker 4: Much, but I do want to be successful. Like it's 204 00:10:06,502 --> 00:10:09,302 Speaker 4: saying all the quiet parts out loud and feeling like 205 00:10:09,342 --> 00:10:12,742 Speaker 4: you it have to perhaps try as hard. And I 206 00:10:12,782 --> 00:10:15,302 Speaker 4: think that there's a generation of us who are like, wait, 207 00:10:15,462 --> 00:10:17,422 Speaker 4: is that an option? I don't know how to do that. 208 00:10:17,822 --> 00:10:20,142 Speaker 2: The way that PJ sets up this episode is that 209 00:10:20,262 --> 00:10:22,622 Speaker 2: he overheard a conversation between a man in his twenties 210 00:10:22,622 --> 00:10:24,382 Speaker 2: and a man in his fifties, and the man in 211 00:10:24,422 --> 00:10:29,742 Speaker 2: his twenties said, I love working. It makes me feel alive. 212 00:10:29,902 --> 00:10:32,022 Speaker 2: It is my whole purpose, is all I want to do, 213 00:10:32,342 --> 00:10:34,022 Speaker 2: and the man in his fifties sort of looked at 214 00:10:34,102 --> 00:10:37,942 Speaker 2: him and went, that'll change. And the implication was that 215 00:10:38,062 --> 00:10:41,142 Speaker 2: as you get older, as you get wiser, your relationship 216 00:10:41,142 --> 00:10:43,182 Speaker 2: with work evolves because you realize that it's not the 217 00:10:43,182 --> 00:10:45,862 Speaker 2: most important thing. Has that been your experience. 218 00:10:46,182 --> 00:10:49,062 Speaker 3: It's really tricky because I think that even just work 219 00:10:49,182 --> 00:10:51,942 Speaker 3: it means lots of different things. To lots of different 220 00:10:51,982 --> 00:10:55,702 Speaker 3: people because you're right Mayor about that the grind is 221 00:10:55,742 --> 00:10:58,902 Speaker 3: out of fashion. But that's also because in a very 222 00:10:59,022 --> 00:11:02,822 Speaker 3: self focused culture, the vibe is, why would I kill 223 00:11:02,862 --> 00:11:05,422 Speaker 3: myself for you? I don't mean you literally, yeah, I 224 00:11:05,462 --> 00:11:06,062 Speaker 3: mean my box? 225 00:11:06,342 --> 00:11:06,462 Speaker 4: Right? 226 00:11:06,622 --> 00:11:10,262 Speaker 3: Then why would I put in overtime? I've never seen 227 00:11:10,302 --> 00:11:13,422 Speaker 3: my children, never get to go to my mum's birthday, 228 00:11:13,902 --> 00:11:17,382 Speaker 3: miss my best friend's you know, engagement party, so that 229 00:11:17,462 --> 00:11:19,822 Speaker 3: my boss likes me more like, I think that in 230 00:11:19,862 --> 00:11:23,542 Speaker 3: a more self focused culture, they're like what they want, 231 00:11:23,582 --> 00:11:26,662 Speaker 3: a much clearer idea of what this exchange is, like 232 00:11:26,702 --> 00:11:29,142 Speaker 3: what do I need to do to get what I need? 233 00:11:29,662 --> 00:11:32,582 Speaker 3: And maybe they're still into the hustle if it just 234 00:11:32,622 --> 00:11:34,702 Speaker 3: benefits them, do you know what I mean? Because I 235 00:11:34,742 --> 00:11:38,262 Speaker 3: think that that's part of this cultural shit. I think 236 00:11:38,302 --> 00:11:40,742 Speaker 3: whereas what me is talking about about the gen X 237 00:11:40,862 --> 00:11:42,902 Speaker 3: work culture, and I think this is particularly true probably 238 00:11:42,942 --> 00:11:46,102 Speaker 3: of women, because if you think about how hard many 239 00:11:46,142 --> 00:11:50,942 Speaker 3: many women had to work to prove themselves in traditional industries. 240 00:11:51,342 --> 00:11:53,022 Speaker 3: It was like, can I go above and beyond? I 241 00:11:53,062 --> 00:11:55,782 Speaker 3: need to be better than everybody. I will stay that 242 00:11:55,902 --> 00:11:58,782 Speaker 3: extra two hours, I will come in early. It was 243 00:11:58,902 --> 00:12:03,102 Speaker 3: like a striving that maybe the culture underneath has looked 244 00:12:03,102 --> 00:12:04,702 Speaker 3: at and gone. But what did you get for that? 245 00:12:04,942 --> 00:12:05,582 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? 246 00:12:05,782 --> 00:12:06,942 Speaker 3: What did you really get for that? 247 00:12:07,262 --> 00:12:09,862 Speaker 2: You said it was self focused, which is part of it, 248 00:12:09,942 --> 00:12:13,302 Speaker 2: But I also think it's being very sensitive to exploitation. 249 00:12:13,742 --> 00:12:17,582 Speaker 2: And we've probably had a generation where some workers did 250 00:12:17,622 --> 00:12:21,462 Speaker 2: feel exploited, or there's a generation I think COVID was 251 00:12:21,462 --> 00:12:24,822 Speaker 2: also a moment where people were laid off, they lost 252 00:12:24,822 --> 00:12:27,062 Speaker 2: their jobs for this thing that they gave everything too, 253 00:12:27,582 --> 00:12:29,822 Speaker 2: and then the workplace turned around didn't love you back. 254 00:12:30,102 --> 00:12:34,422 Speaker 2: And you have the workplace some workplaces where you go, oh, 255 00:12:34,462 --> 00:12:37,702 Speaker 2: I'm working around the clock for something that isn't giving 256 00:12:37,742 --> 00:12:40,862 Speaker 2: me what I'm giving it, which I think is somewhat 257 00:12:40,902 --> 00:12:42,062 Speaker 2: of a workplace revolution. 258 00:12:42,102 --> 00:12:43,902 Speaker 3: So I think all that goes into the pot and 259 00:12:43,982 --> 00:12:46,422 Speaker 3: mixes up and sort of comes out in this realignment 260 00:12:46,462 --> 00:12:49,662 Speaker 3: we're having. But in terms of that thing about age, 261 00:12:50,542 --> 00:12:54,702 Speaker 3: I think it's more about priorities, right because to me 262 00:12:54,782 --> 00:12:56,662 Speaker 3: A's point at the beginning that if you're working to 263 00:12:56,702 --> 00:12:59,222 Speaker 3: put a roof over your head and food on the table, 264 00:12:59,262 --> 00:13:01,422 Speaker 3: and so you're taking on extra shifts to do that, 265 00:13:01,582 --> 00:13:03,622 Speaker 3: and maybe you're a single parent and maybe you know 266 00:13:03,942 --> 00:13:06,822 Speaker 3: then that's like the bare necessities. But then if you've 267 00:13:06,982 --> 00:13:10,742 Speaker 3: established that, then the choice becomes what is the payoff 268 00:13:10,782 --> 00:13:14,422 Speaker 3: between the amount of work I'll do to get more 269 00:13:14,942 --> 00:13:16,862 Speaker 3: and what it will take from me? Because I think, 270 00:13:16,902 --> 00:13:19,022 Speaker 3: of course it's okay to work all the time, but 271 00:13:19,062 --> 00:13:21,462 Speaker 3: you've got to expect that that'll cost you elsewhere. Like 272 00:13:21,542 --> 00:13:24,862 Speaker 3: any arrangement in your life, you'll put in and you'll 273 00:13:24,902 --> 00:13:26,182 Speaker 3: have to sacrifice something for it. 274 00:13:26,222 --> 00:13:29,102 Speaker 4: I also found it a really unsatisfying conversation because it 275 00:13:29,142 --> 00:13:31,982 Speaker 4: was between two men. Not only do they not have 276 00:13:32,222 --> 00:13:35,902 Speaker 4: dependence that they spoke of in the form of children, 277 00:13:36,102 --> 00:13:40,982 Speaker 4: but they also were men. So the culture and what 278 00:13:41,022 --> 00:13:45,902 Speaker 4: we internalize around women and work is very, very different. 279 00:13:45,982 --> 00:13:49,342 Speaker 4: It's why I always think about actresses like Angelina, Julie 280 00:13:49,382 --> 00:13:52,422 Speaker 4: and Nicole Kidman. They always have to talk about I 281 00:13:52,622 --> 00:13:55,982 Speaker 4: work to help other people. I do these roles for 282 00:13:56,102 --> 00:13:58,782 Speaker 4: my daughters, I do these roles for my mother. It's like, 283 00:13:59,782 --> 00:14:02,982 Speaker 4: do you actually Because it's so forbidden for a woman. 284 00:14:02,742 --> 00:14:05,062 Speaker 1: To say, I bloody love work. 285 00:14:05,422 --> 00:14:07,342 Speaker 4: And that's not to say we don't feel conflicted and 286 00:14:07,422 --> 00:14:10,182 Speaker 4: we have to find ways to justify. But Nico doesn't 287 00:14:10,222 --> 00:14:12,222 Speaker 4: have to do shit that she doesn't want to. She 288 00:14:12,342 --> 00:14:15,742 Speaker 4: works a ton, and yet she still has to perform 289 00:14:15,902 --> 00:14:20,182 Speaker 4: this pantomime of it's not because I enjoy it, it's selfless. 290 00:14:20,222 --> 00:14:22,822 Speaker 2: There has to be something moral about your ambitions. 291 00:14:23,222 --> 00:14:24,782 Speaker 3: We talked about this once when I was saying how 292 00:14:24,862 --> 00:14:28,342 Speaker 3: uncomfortable it makes me in my life when the narrative 293 00:14:28,462 --> 00:14:30,542 Speaker 3: that Brent will tell the kids if I'm not around 294 00:14:30,622 --> 00:14:34,142 Speaker 3: is Mummy's working really hard for us, right, And I 295 00:14:34,342 --> 00:14:37,942 Speaker 3: entirely understand why he says that, and it's true I am, 296 00:14:38,302 --> 00:14:41,622 Speaker 3: But is that the only reason, Like, could I not 297 00:14:42,382 --> 00:14:45,342 Speaker 3: similar outcome that we would have food on the table 298 00:14:45,822 --> 00:14:48,422 Speaker 3: and we would make the mortgage payments and I could 299 00:14:48,462 --> 00:14:51,702 Speaker 3: be home a bit more. Yes, if the only fact, 300 00:14:51,822 --> 00:14:55,582 Speaker 3: if the only variable was mummy's working hard for the 301 00:14:55,582 --> 00:14:58,422 Speaker 3: food and the mortgage, then there probably could be a 302 00:14:58,422 --> 00:15:01,382 Speaker 3: workaround that would mean I was around more. But that's 303 00:15:01,422 --> 00:15:03,342 Speaker 3: why I think you've got to own the selfish part 304 00:15:03,382 --> 00:15:05,262 Speaker 3: a little bit. And selfish is a negative word, but 305 00:15:05,302 --> 00:15:07,262 Speaker 3: it's like, but I do love it, and I do 306 00:15:07,342 --> 00:15:08,022 Speaker 3: love my words. 307 00:15:08,742 --> 00:15:11,742 Speaker 4: You just said, so you didn't say ambitious. When someone 308 00:15:11,742 --> 00:15:14,462 Speaker 4: says a woman is ambitious, it's usually particularly if it's 309 00:15:14,462 --> 00:15:18,222 Speaker 4: another woman, it's coded as being she's selfish, because that's 310 00:15:18,302 --> 00:15:22,382 Speaker 4: how women working for any other reason than necessity or 311 00:15:22,422 --> 00:15:25,142 Speaker 4: for the benefit of someone else, it's coded as selfish. 312 00:15:25,142 --> 00:15:27,502 Speaker 4: And the other thing that's worth noting is that the 313 00:15:27,502 --> 00:15:29,422 Speaker 4: Internet is allowed us to work all the time. Like 314 00:15:29,462 --> 00:15:31,302 Speaker 4: it used to be that you couldn't like there was 315 00:15:31,342 --> 00:15:34,222 Speaker 4: only so much you could do thanks to technology or 316 00:15:34,262 --> 00:15:34,822 Speaker 4: the lack of it. 317 00:15:35,022 --> 00:15:36,542 Speaker 1: Now there's no endpoint. 318 00:15:36,622 --> 00:15:39,782 Speaker 3: The people I know who have the best boundaried work 319 00:15:39,822 --> 00:15:42,622 Speaker 3: life balance, to use that Hackney term, in my life 320 00:15:42,902 --> 00:15:45,342 Speaker 3: are people whose jobs are very clearly on and very 321 00:15:45,342 --> 00:15:48,822 Speaker 3: clearly off and like although Mea will always win obviously 322 00:15:48,822 --> 00:15:50,662 Speaker 3: the working hard Olympics around here because she runs a 323 00:15:50,662 --> 00:15:54,542 Speaker 3: business that never literally never turns off. My work is 324 00:15:54,782 --> 00:15:56,982 Speaker 3: I rarely have a day off because there's always something 325 00:15:57,022 --> 00:15:58,982 Speaker 3: that can be done, Whereas when I had a more 326 00:15:59,022 --> 00:16:03,062 Speaker 3: managerial role, I probably was at work more, but I 327 00:16:03,142 --> 00:16:06,062 Speaker 3: had more clear definition. And that's a big difference. 328 00:16:05,702 --> 00:16:08,822 Speaker 4: To out loud as in a Moment, a truish story 329 00:16:09,142 --> 00:16:12,022 Speaker 4: that was based on a lie and changed everything. 330 00:16:15,942 --> 00:16:19,822 Speaker 3: Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun. 331 00:16:20,382 --> 00:16:21,902 Speaker 1: This is my best recommendation. 332 00:16:23,582 --> 00:16:27,862 Speaker 4: It's time for our recommendations, the things that we are recommending. 333 00:16:28,062 --> 00:16:31,902 Speaker 1: As the name suggests, Wow, now we all have that 334 00:16:31,902 --> 00:16:32,942 Speaker 1: should be the tapping. 335 00:16:32,742 --> 00:16:33,782 Speaker 2: Line for this segment for. 336 00:16:33,782 --> 00:16:34,582 Speaker 1: You to watch. 337 00:16:34,822 --> 00:16:36,622 Speaker 4: I'm going to trademarket and put it on T shirt. 338 00:16:36,982 --> 00:16:38,182 Speaker 4: We all have things for you to watch. 339 00:16:39,182 --> 00:16:40,382 Speaker 1: You might have to want to go fast. 340 00:16:40,702 --> 00:16:41,662 Speaker 3: You're going to go first. 341 00:16:42,222 --> 00:16:44,702 Speaker 2: You know those weeks when you can't wait for Friday 342 00:16:44,742 --> 00:16:47,262 Speaker 2: because you're so desperate to recommend what you need to recommend, 343 00:16:47,302 --> 00:16:51,182 Speaker 2: because you fucking nailed your recommendation. Yeah, that's me this week. 344 00:16:51,982 --> 00:16:54,502 Speaker 2: I'm late to the party. But season two of this 345 00:16:54,542 --> 00:16:58,782 Speaker 2: season has just dropped, so it's been sort of reinvigorated Severance. 346 00:17:02,022 --> 00:17:05,222 Speaker 5: What you all did was one of the most painful 347 00:17:05,222 --> 00:17:11,182 Speaker 5: moments in the history of this company. But the four 348 00:17:11,222 --> 00:17:16,901 Speaker 5: of you have become known as the face of Severance reform. 349 00:17:16,982 --> 00:17:18,302 Speaker 3: Okay, so we're not in trouble. 350 00:17:18,381 --> 00:17:20,861 Speaker 2: I don't think so. Melchik said, we're famous, all of 351 00:17:20,942 --> 00:17:25,982 Speaker 2: us equally, or one of us is like to start 352 00:17:26,861 --> 00:17:27,262 Speaker 2: So what. 353 00:17:27,182 --> 00:17:30,821 Speaker 3: The hell did you guys see up there? It's not 354 00:17:30,942 --> 00:17:32,101 Speaker 3: our world up there, And. 355 00:17:34,101 --> 00:17:36,741 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm on the Severance train. It is 356 00:17:36,782 --> 00:17:40,262 Speaker 2: a show on Apple TV, and it's about work right, 357 00:17:40,502 --> 00:17:44,101 Speaker 2: It's work. It is stunning, it is brilliant, it is genius, 358 00:17:44,262 --> 00:17:46,982 Speaker 2: it is life changing from the beginning. 359 00:17:47,182 --> 00:17:50,542 Speaker 1: Okay, everyone's time three times to watch it. 360 00:17:50,621 --> 00:17:53,101 Speaker 2: Okay, I have a hack for you in terms of that. 361 00:17:53,141 --> 00:17:55,462 Speaker 2: But I'm going to start by saying, it's got Adam Scott, Scott, 362 00:17:55,502 --> 00:17:58,661 Speaker 2: Tricia Quet, it's got Christopher Walken, it's directed by Ben Steel. 363 00:17:58,782 --> 00:18:02,302 Speaker 2: My god, that saying more. Okay, Maya. I saw the 364 00:18:02,302 --> 00:18:04,782 Speaker 2: ad I read the description. I watched half an episode 365 00:18:05,422 --> 00:18:07,581 Speaker 2: two years ago, and I went, it's not for me. 366 00:18:08,462 --> 00:18:11,421 Speaker 1: Stopian felt like black Meer and now like The Office. 367 00:18:11,782 --> 00:18:14,101 Speaker 2: God, no, it's like black Mirror. 368 00:18:14,141 --> 00:18:14,982 Speaker 3: So it's not funny. 369 00:18:15,141 --> 00:18:18,222 Speaker 2: It is. Actually it's dark. It's got kind of dark humor. 370 00:18:18,262 --> 00:18:23,341 Speaker 2: It's a psychological thriller. It's dystopian. But I got halfway 371 00:18:23,381 --> 00:18:26,382 Speaker 2: through the episode and I looked at Lucra and I went, no, 372 00:18:26,581 --> 00:18:28,782 Speaker 2: it's just not doing it for me, and he was like, no, no, no, 373 00:18:28,861 --> 00:18:31,101 Speaker 2: I'm in by the end of that first you just 374 00:18:31,182 --> 00:18:33,502 Speaker 2: youve got to trust me. Okay, Okay, you just got 375 00:18:33,502 --> 00:18:36,302 Speaker 2: to watch the first episode. Now, this is a premise. 376 00:18:36,661 --> 00:18:39,141 Speaker 2: So Mark Scout, who's played by Adam Scott, is an 377 00:18:39,141 --> 00:18:44,141 Speaker 2: employee at a company called Luhmen. Right, and Luhmen does 378 00:18:44,141 --> 00:18:45,982 Speaker 2: this thing where they insert a chip in your brain 379 00:18:46,422 --> 00:18:49,302 Speaker 2: and you become a severed employee. What that means is 380 00:18:49,302 --> 00:18:52,181 Speaker 2: that when you walk into your work building, you become 381 00:18:52,222 --> 00:18:54,421 Speaker 2: your work self, otherwise known as an inny, and you 382 00:18:54,462 --> 00:18:58,581 Speaker 2: have no memories of your outing. So you go and 383 00:18:58,621 --> 00:19:00,982 Speaker 2: have a work day, like we're having our work day 384 00:19:01,022 --> 00:19:02,581 Speaker 2: right now. I don't even know I have a kid, 385 00:19:03,061 --> 00:19:04,022 Speaker 2: I don't know I'm married. 386 00:19:04,022 --> 00:19:06,101 Speaker 3: I presider of bringing your whole self to words, it's 387 00:19:06,141 --> 00:19:06,862 Speaker 3: the opposite. 388 00:19:06,901 --> 00:19:08,622 Speaker 2: And then you walk out and then I go home 389 00:19:08,661 --> 00:19:12,182 Speaker 2: to Luna could have state secrets. I've got absolutely no idea. 390 00:19:12,222 --> 00:19:15,222 Speaker 2: So that big idea. The big question is why would 391 00:19:15,222 --> 00:19:17,981 Speaker 2: someone choose that what has happened in someone's life to 392 00:19:18,061 --> 00:19:21,502 Speaker 2: go Why would they consent to that in the first place, 393 00:19:21,502 --> 00:19:23,861 Speaker 2: because they've signed up for it? Right, Oh my god, 394 00:19:23,901 --> 00:19:26,182 Speaker 2: it's just so so so okay. It's like the best 395 00:19:26,302 --> 00:19:28,341 Speaker 2: episode of Black Mary you've ever seen. Back in twenty 396 00:19:28,381 --> 00:19:30,341 Speaker 2: twenty two, when the first season came out, it was 397 00:19:30,381 --> 00:19:34,061 Speaker 2: nominated fourteen Emmys, Right, and then we have waited years 398 00:19:34,101 --> 00:19:36,782 Speaker 2: because of writers strikes, because of all of this. For 399 00:19:36,861 --> 00:19:39,382 Speaker 2: the next season. I started on Friday, and I am 400 00:19:39,381 --> 00:19:44,381 Speaker 2: now up to date and it's just oh, okay, watch 401 00:19:44,381 --> 00:19:45,782 Speaker 2: it whole. 402 00:19:46,381 --> 00:19:47,101 Speaker 1: I've got a movie. 403 00:19:47,101 --> 00:19:48,862 Speaker 3: I went to the movies. I had a date night 404 00:19:48,942 --> 00:19:50,821 Speaker 3: at the movies the other week, and I watched A 405 00:19:50,901 --> 00:19:54,782 Speaker 3: Complete Unknown, which is the movie that Timothy Challamaye plays 406 00:19:54,782 --> 00:19:57,622 Speaker 3: Bob Dylan in, and I bloody loved it. 407 00:19:57,901 --> 00:20:01,461 Speaker 5: You tramped all the way from Minnesota. 408 00:20:01,661 --> 00:20:02,182 Speaker 3: Why is that? 409 00:20:03,502 --> 00:20:03,662 Speaker 4: Oh? 410 00:20:03,742 --> 00:20:04,901 Speaker 1: I catch you smoke. 411 00:20:06,341 --> 00:20:08,542 Speaker 5: If you're traveling. 412 00:20:08,182 --> 00:20:09,941 Speaker 3: In the north drift. 413 00:20:10,821 --> 00:20:11,262 Speaker 4: I see. 414 00:20:11,302 --> 00:20:14,061 Speaker 3: No one wants to hear when he can't roll. Last month, well, 415 00:20:14,302 --> 00:20:15,581 Speaker 3: I like your songs with. 416 00:20:15,702 --> 00:20:21,142 Speaker 5: The winds hit heavy on the boardline? Who wrote this? 417 00:20:22,182 --> 00:20:22,822 Speaker 4: He did? 418 00:20:22,821 --> 00:20:25,941 Speaker 3: Remember me? How about that jump by as folks? 419 00:20:27,422 --> 00:20:31,702 Speaker 1: Because she's pretty, sings pretty once, maybe. 420 00:20:31,502 --> 00:20:34,941 Speaker 3: A little too pretty, true love. Your songs are like 421 00:20:34,942 --> 00:20:37,061 Speaker 3: an oil painting and the dentist's office. 422 00:20:37,542 --> 00:20:39,982 Speaker 5: You're kind of an asshole bomb if. 423 00:20:39,782 --> 00:20:40,342 Speaker 4: You go. 424 00:20:41,861 --> 00:20:44,741 Speaker 3: FA usual complaint of all movies now too long. But 425 00:20:44,782 --> 00:20:45,622 Speaker 3: I didn't even mind. 426 00:20:45,702 --> 00:20:47,302 Speaker 2: No, Holy I looked it up because I went, I'm 427 00:20:47,302 --> 00:20:48,981 Speaker 2: going to say that. On Saurday night, two hours and 428 00:20:49,022 --> 00:20:50,581 Speaker 2: twenty minutes, I said, I can't. 429 00:20:50,661 --> 00:20:52,941 Speaker 1: I can't have a brutalist, which is four hours. 430 00:20:53,022 --> 00:20:55,061 Speaker 3: No, my mom went to see that. She said she'd 431 00:20:55,101 --> 00:20:56,422 Speaker 3: only go if she was allowed to have a drink 432 00:20:56,422 --> 00:20:59,741 Speaker 3: in the entire My dad was like, sure, anyway, I 433 00:20:59,861 --> 00:21:03,821 Speaker 3: Digress two hours twenty is long, but it is so good. 434 00:21:03,982 --> 00:21:06,182 Speaker 3: It is so good because the music is brilliant. You're 435 00:21:06,222 --> 00:21:08,462 Speaker 3: transported in time to a batter life for a time. 436 00:21:08,542 --> 00:21:09,902 Speaker 1: Because I don't like his music at all. 437 00:21:10,302 --> 00:21:12,902 Speaker 3: Oh wow, when I heard someone say that, really, I've 438 00:21:12,901 --> 00:21:13,941 Speaker 3: heard lots of people say that. 439 00:21:13,942 --> 00:21:15,101 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just I say it all. 440 00:21:15,262 --> 00:21:17,341 Speaker 3: Think it helps, like you don't have to like all 441 00:21:17,422 --> 00:21:23,782 Speaker 3: Bob Dylan, but those iconic sixties songs like a rolling Stone. 442 00:21:25,182 --> 00:21:28,222 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I couldn't love it more. Anyway, it's 443 00:21:28,262 --> 00:21:29,982 Speaker 3: the story of him. But the thing is so it's 444 00:21:29,982 --> 00:21:32,382 Speaker 3: a biopic, right, and it's directed by the guy who 445 00:21:32,422 --> 00:21:35,061 Speaker 3: directed like Walk the Line and all those Johnny Cash. 446 00:21:36,061 --> 00:21:37,861 Speaker 3: He's the guy who makes all the biopics. I think 447 00:21:37,861 --> 00:21:41,101 Speaker 3: he's married Tellen Mirrn Anyway, again, We Digress isn't one 448 00:21:41,141 --> 00:21:43,262 Speaker 3: of those biopics where it's like and he was born 449 00:21:43,341 --> 00:21:46,061 Speaker 3: in this town and he did this. It's very much 450 00:21:46,061 --> 00:21:48,022 Speaker 3: one of those biopics that just takes one moment in 451 00:21:48,061 --> 00:21:51,141 Speaker 3: time and Timothy Challon May plays Dylan and he is 452 00:21:51,262 --> 00:21:56,302 Speaker 3: so extraordinary. I can't even speak about how extraordinary he is. 453 00:21:56,982 --> 00:21:57,702 Speaker 2: I love him. 454 00:21:57,782 --> 00:21:58,422 Speaker 3: How is he? 455 00:21:58,782 --> 00:22:00,341 Speaker 2: I know, We've just he's so talented. 456 00:22:00,581 --> 00:22:04,302 Speaker 3: I think he's had severance chip because when he's working, 457 00:22:04,341 --> 00:22:09,701 Speaker 3: he seems like the most deep, emotionally intelligent intellect to 458 00:22:09,861 --> 00:22:12,702 Speaker 3: all dude. And then he just loves a purse, which 459 00:22:12,742 --> 00:22:16,022 Speaker 3: is fine off the carpet. He just likes pretty girls 460 00:22:16,222 --> 00:22:19,302 Speaker 3: and nightclubs. Anyway, we digress. Did you just call Carlie 461 00:22:19,302 --> 00:22:23,782 Speaker 3: general purse. She's been carrying around a little channel purse 462 00:22:23,942 --> 00:22:26,382 Speaker 3: like that's he Yeah, he dresses very interestingly. You don't 463 00:22:26,381 --> 00:22:31,622 Speaker 3: hear the word purse very oftti and he loves that anyway. 464 00:22:32,222 --> 00:22:35,542 Speaker 3: The women in El Fanning, she plays like the girlfriend 465 00:22:35,621 --> 00:22:38,222 Speaker 3: from the early years who he very quickly cheats on. 466 00:22:38,702 --> 00:22:41,222 Speaker 3: Monica Barbera, she's nominated for an Oscar's gem By. She's 467 00:22:41,422 --> 00:22:45,102 Speaker 3: extraordinarily good. I love, love loved it, Ed Norton, it's 468 00:22:45,141 --> 00:22:45,941 Speaker 3: an Oscar movie. 469 00:22:46,061 --> 00:22:46,581 Speaker 1: Go see it. 470 00:22:46,901 --> 00:22:49,502 Speaker 4: I think mine's more interesting than either of yours. It 471 00:22:49,581 --> 00:22:52,982 Speaker 4: is called it's a mini series based on a true story. 472 00:22:53,061 --> 00:22:55,621 Speaker 4: It's called Apples Side of Vinegar and It is the 473 00:22:55,661 --> 00:22:59,621 Speaker 4: Bell Gibson story. It's out, It came out this week. 474 00:22:59,702 --> 00:23:03,061 Speaker 4: It's all dropped. It is a feast on Netflix. 475 00:23:03,262 --> 00:23:03,381 Speaker 2: Is it? 476 00:23:03,422 --> 00:23:04,782 Speaker 3: I have a question, hand up question. 477 00:23:05,101 --> 00:23:05,262 Speaker 4: Yeah. 478 00:23:05,422 --> 00:23:08,101 Speaker 3: Is it the Bell Gibson story or is it inspired 479 00:23:08,101 --> 00:23:09,821 Speaker 3: by like Strife was inspired by. 480 00:23:10,022 --> 00:23:11,061 Speaker 1: The Bell Gibson story. 481 00:23:11,901 --> 00:23:16,262 Speaker 4: The Bell Gibson story starring an actor whose name I've forgotten, 482 00:23:16,462 --> 00:23:21,181 Speaker 4: who looks incredibly and sounds incredibly like Bell Gibson. She's American. 483 00:23:21,422 --> 00:23:23,701 Speaker 2: I know her from a very famous American. 484 00:23:24,702 --> 00:23:28,101 Speaker 4: Was this week The Premiere, The Premier, The Premier. The 485 00:23:28,101 --> 00:23:31,261 Speaker 4: Premier was this week and live from Amamea in our 486 00:23:31,302 --> 00:23:34,821 Speaker 4: social team presented her with a certificate for the best 487 00:23:34,821 --> 00:23:38,701 Speaker 4: Australian accent on the red carpet because you would never know. 488 00:23:38,821 --> 00:23:42,342 Speaker 4: It is flawless anyway. It tells the story of Bell Gibson, 489 00:23:42,381 --> 00:23:46,742 Speaker 4: of course, who pretended she had brain cancer and launched 490 00:23:46,742 --> 00:23:47,461 Speaker 4: an app and. 491 00:23:47,341 --> 00:23:48,542 Speaker 1: Got a cookbook deal. 492 00:23:49,022 --> 00:23:51,982 Speaker 4: But it tells the story of two other women parallel 493 00:23:52,061 --> 00:23:57,221 Speaker 4: to that, whose paths intersected with Belle One is. In 494 00:23:57,262 --> 00:23:59,701 Speaker 4: the show she's called Miller, but in real life she 495 00:24:00,141 --> 00:24:04,462 Speaker 4: was a lifestyle blogger and former magazine writer called Jess Ainskoff, 496 00:24:04,542 --> 00:24:06,661 Speaker 4: who I knew a little bit. She got cancer in 497 00:24:06,702 --> 00:24:11,022 Speaker 4: her arm, and she chose to back in the early 498 00:24:11,101 --> 00:24:14,742 Speaker 4: two thousands, she chose to not have traditional medicine and 499 00:24:14,782 --> 00:24:18,142 Speaker 4: to cure herself with something called the Gerson diet, which 500 00:24:18,182 --> 00:24:20,861 Speaker 4: was about juices and having coffee ennimals and it's a 501 00:24:20,901 --> 00:24:24,302 Speaker 4: wellness protocol. Even though the doctors said, if we amputate 502 00:24:24,341 --> 00:24:27,222 Speaker 4: your arm, there's like a ninety percent chance that you'll 503 00:24:27,222 --> 00:24:30,022 Speaker 4: be fine, she went, no, I don't want to have chemo. 504 00:24:30,182 --> 00:24:31,821 Speaker 4: I don't want to lose my arm. I'm going to 505 00:24:31,821 --> 00:24:35,942 Speaker 4: try this other way. And she discovered basically these charlatans 506 00:24:36,061 --> 00:24:38,981 Speaker 4: on the Internet. And so it tells the story of 507 00:24:39,061 --> 00:24:42,982 Speaker 4: how her path intersected with Belle's, how Bell became very 508 00:24:43,141 --> 00:24:47,502 Speaker 4: inspired slash jealous of her and co opted her story 509 00:24:47,581 --> 00:24:49,621 Speaker 4: as her own. And then there's the story of a 510 00:24:49,661 --> 00:24:52,302 Speaker 4: third woman called Lucy, who I think is fictionalized, but 511 00:24:52,422 --> 00:24:57,141 Speaker 4: she discovers that she has cancer, has traditional treatment, becomes 512 00:24:57,222 --> 00:25:00,542 Speaker 4: quite disillusioned, and then becomes a disciple of Bell Gibson. 513 00:25:01,262 --> 00:25:03,142 Speaker 5: I'd lied to welcome on the stage. 514 00:25:03,262 --> 00:25:04,381 Speaker 4: Shell Gibson. 515 00:25:06,661 --> 00:25:08,742 Speaker 3: It must have affected her that my book was reviewed 516 00:25:08,782 --> 00:25:14,022 Speaker 3: as better than her. I'm sorry, who's her Miller? 517 00:25:14,462 --> 00:25:18,341 Speaker 4: She was diagnosed with cancer, so she's consistently maintained. 518 00:25:18,381 --> 00:25:19,742 Speaker 2: I have no reason to doubt her. 519 00:25:20,141 --> 00:25:21,862 Speaker 5: Because in her case it's true. 520 00:25:22,222 --> 00:25:23,262 Speaker 2: It's a funny. 521 00:25:24,262 --> 00:25:26,422 Speaker 3: My doctor said, have brain cancer. 522 00:25:27,101 --> 00:25:29,542 Speaker 1: He's a bloggie my life. She's just like you. 523 00:25:31,302 --> 00:25:32,701 Speaker 2: You do look incredible. 524 00:25:32,782 --> 00:25:34,302 Speaker 1: Well, I've never felt better. 525 00:25:35,661 --> 00:25:38,982 Speaker 3: I have to find the right way for me. I 526 00:25:39,182 --> 00:25:40,222 Speaker 3: just got each other. 527 00:25:42,141 --> 00:25:42,901 Speaker 1: Loved the session. 528 00:25:42,982 --> 00:25:45,061 Speaker 2: Four body goose bumps, thanks for coming. 529 00:25:46,901 --> 00:25:50,622 Speaker 3: Bell gives him the brain cancer. 530 00:25:50,982 --> 00:25:53,662 Speaker 4: Great and it looks at the paths of these three 531 00:25:53,702 --> 00:25:56,381 Speaker 4: women and it is so well done. 532 00:25:56,502 --> 00:25:58,061 Speaker 2: Dying to see who wrote it. 533 00:25:58,061 --> 00:26:00,262 Speaker 1: It was written by Samantha Strauss. 534 00:26:00,302 --> 00:26:05,302 Speaker 4: She wrote, Yeah, okay. I think it's based off the 535 00:26:05,341 --> 00:26:09,942 Speaker 4: original investigative reporting that Nick Tuscani and Oh Yeah Yeah 536 00:26:10,141 --> 00:26:12,901 Speaker 4: did for the Age many years ago. They won a 537 00:26:12,901 --> 00:26:15,661 Speaker 4: lot of awards for that, and it's actually produced. I 538 00:26:15,702 --> 00:26:18,182 Speaker 4: didn't realize by my cousin and Mils Sherman at Sea 539 00:26:18,222 --> 00:26:23,742 Speaker 4: Saw they've done Slow Horses, the King speech Lion Seesaw 540 00:26:24,022 --> 00:26:27,782 Speaker 4: does amazing work, like really dramatic worsh My god, I 541 00:26:27,782 --> 00:26:30,661 Speaker 4: can't wait to say it's brilliant. They've even recreated that 542 00:26:30,661 --> 00:26:34,382 Speaker 4: famous sixty minutes interview where she's wearing the turtle, where 543 00:26:34,381 --> 00:26:35,182 Speaker 4: she's wearing the pink turk. 544 00:26:35,182 --> 00:26:36,341 Speaker 3: Do you think we'll do it? Do you think if 545 00:26:36,381 --> 00:26:38,022 Speaker 3: we all watch it, can we do an episode on it? 546 00:26:38,022 --> 00:26:39,941 Speaker 3: Do you think me like that? Oh? 547 00:26:40,022 --> 00:26:42,222 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, I was going to say, I want 548 00:26:42,262 --> 00:26:44,661 Speaker 4: to do a recap of every episode. We will do 549 00:26:45,101 --> 00:26:48,542 Speaker 4: a recap episode the three of us. And also, if 550 00:26:48,542 --> 00:26:50,742 Speaker 4: you want to know more about the Bill Gibson story, 551 00:26:50,942 --> 00:26:53,581 Speaker 4: We've done a whole podcast about this and it is 552 00:26:53,661 --> 00:26:56,542 Speaker 4: fascinating her story, So we'll put a link to that 553 00:26:56,542 --> 00:26:57,022 Speaker 4: in the show. 554 00:26:56,942 --> 00:27:02,302 Speaker 2: Notes after the break Boobs a dethroned King and discovering 555 00:27:02,381 --> 00:27:06,702 Speaker 2: music taste. It is our best and Worst. Every Tuesday 556 00:27:06,742 --> 00:27:09,782 Speaker 2: and Thursday, we drop new segments of Mummeya out Loud 557 00:27:09,942 --> 00:27:12,861 Speaker 2: just from me A. Subscribers follow the link in the 558 00:27:12,861 --> 00:27:15,502 Speaker 2: show notes to get your daily Joseph out Loud and 559 00:27:15,502 --> 00:27:26,862 Speaker 2: a big thank you to all our current subscribers. 560 00:27:28,861 --> 00:27:30,901 Speaker 3: I'm going to go first and best and worse this week. 561 00:27:30,982 --> 00:27:33,182 Speaker 3: I'm a reminder to the group that best and worst 562 00:27:33,182 --> 00:27:35,381 Speaker 3: can be silly, it can be serious, it can be 563 00:27:35,462 --> 00:27:38,741 Speaker 3: whatever you want it to be. Very serious worst this 564 00:27:38,861 --> 00:27:42,381 Speaker 3: week I want to prepare everybody. Okay, Brent is no 565 00:27:42,462 --> 00:27:44,702 Speaker 3: longer the king of SCons in my. 566 00:27:44,742 --> 00:27:50,421 Speaker 2: Neighborhood because Brent your boyfriend. He won the Scon Award 567 00:27:50,462 --> 00:27:53,901 Speaker 2: for the best Scottis in the country, or. 568 00:27:53,942 --> 00:27:57,861 Speaker 3: It has been restored. Very quick backstory. I live in 569 00:27:58,061 --> 00:28:00,422 Speaker 3: regional New South Wales. Country shows are a big deal. 570 00:28:00,581 --> 00:28:03,022 Speaker 3: The very show was on at the weekend. Everybody enters 571 00:28:03,061 --> 00:28:05,421 Speaker 3: things so like they have like a puppy with the 572 00:28:05,422 --> 00:28:10,661 Speaker 3: waggiest tail competition. They have competition for the biggest pumpkins. 573 00:28:09,702 --> 00:28:13,582 Speaker 2: Like the Grammys, and he walked in the Grammys, right yeah. 574 00:28:13,621 --> 00:28:16,861 Speaker 1: And he has New Zealand into local city. 575 00:28:17,182 --> 00:28:20,502 Speaker 3: Brent had baked his famous lemonade scones, which are only 576 00:28:20,542 --> 00:28:23,581 Speaker 3: famous in the four walls of her house, and entered 577 00:28:23,621 --> 00:28:26,942 Speaker 3: them into the baking contest, which is hotly contested. Right 578 00:28:26,982 --> 00:28:29,341 Speaker 3: at these things, there are people there that c w A. 579 00:28:29,462 --> 00:28:33,222 Speaker 3: There's people there have been They are not the album 580 00:28:33,262 --> 00:28:36,621 Speaker 3: of the year, album of the year. And he just 581 00:28:36,702 --> 00:28:40,862 Speaker 3: swooped in like chapel ron a pointy hat and he 582 00:28:41,142 --> 00:28:44,622 Speaker 3: won last year and the man was insufferable. Actually, we've 583 00:28:44,622 --> 00:28:46,942 Speaker 3: got the recipe for a scon somewhere. We'll put it somewhere. 584 00:28:47,022 --> 00:28:48,622 Speaker 2: So would you say he was a favorite going into 585 00:28:48,622 --> 00:28:48,982 Speaker 2: this year? 586 00:28:49,102 --> 00:28:49,382 Speaker 1: He was. 587 00:28:50,582 --> 00:28:53,102 Speaker 3: You'd go into town and all anyone would talk to 588 00:28:53,142 --> 00:28:55,741 Speaker 3: you about was like, is Brent entering his SCons? And 589 00:28:55,782 --> 00:28:58,022 Speaker 3: then the rumors started. They said, so and so has 590 00:28:58,062 --> 00:29:01,302 Speaker 3: brought a Thermo mix and she's going to allow Oh yeah, 591 00:29:01,302 --> 00:29:04,142 Speaker 3: he allowed to use whatever. And she's been practicing and 592 00:29:04,142 --> 00:29:06,502 Speaker 3: blah blah, and so and so has been practicing every 593 00:29:06,542 --> 00:29:10,021 Speaker 3: day because everybody wants to beat Brent. And indeed, another 594 00:29:10,022 --> 00:29:13,582 Speaker 3: friend of mine Ali lid better One and took Brent out. 595 00:29:13,822 --> 00:29:16,181 Speaker 4: He was a very upset a runners up prize or 596 00:29:16,222 --> 00:29:19,862 Speaker 4: any participation award, get a commendation, maya. 597 00:29:20,262 --> 00:29:21,462 Speaker 3: It was like he fell. 598 00:29:21,782 --> 00:29:22,302 Speaker 1: What happened? 599 00:29:22,382 --> 00:29:27,262 Speaker 3: Great heights. He claims that he had to do it 600 00:29:27,382 --> 00:29:30,902 Speaker 3: very early in the morning. He claims for the self 601 00:29:30,942 --> 00:29:33,262 Speaker 3: raising flowers old and not new. I'm like, well, that's 602 00:29:33,262 --> 00:29:35,782 Speaker 3: a rookie era. Anyway, my friend al lid better One. 603 00:29:35,902 --> 00:29:38,661 Speaker 3: People on the internet have called her Ali did better 604 00:29:38,742 --> 00:29:42,542 Speaker 3: and made little for her. Ali, I know you're listening. 605 00:29:42,542 --> 00:29:45,942 Speaker 3: She is an out louder. Congratulations, Brent will never come 606 00:29:45,982 --> 00:29:46,662 Speaker 3: to your house again. 607 00:29:46,822 --> 00:29:48,502 Speaker 1: I'm not sad because I never got to try one. 608 00:29:48,582 --> 00:29:52,022 Speaker 3: I'll bring you one now that they're not special anyway. 609 00:29:52,502 --> 00:29:56,102 Speaker 3: My best, which is much nicer, is that my firstborn 610 00:29:56,542 --> 00:30:00,942 Speaker 3: turned fifteen this week. My daughter and teenage girls get 611 00:30:00,982 --> 00:30:02,342 Speaker 3: a bad rap often from me. 612 00:30:03,502 --> 00:30:06,142 Speaker 1: Did you give her a G string swim birthday? 613 00:30:06,262 --> 00:30:09,542 Speaker 3: I didn't and she isn't yet wearing one of those, 614 00:30:09,742 --> 00:30:10,502 Speaker 3: but it's probably not. 615 00:30:12,782 --> 00:30:13,262 Speaker 1: Exactly. 616 00:30:13,582 --> 00:30:15,941 Speaker 3: But teenage girls get a bad rap often from us 617 00:30:15,982 --> 00:30:20,182 Speaker 3: because it can be tricky, like it's a transition of parenting. 618 00:30:20,262 --> 00:30:23,701 Speaker 3: There is no question from this little person and she 619 00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:25,942 Speaker 3: was my baby. And this little person who just looks 620 00:30:25,982 --> 00:30:28,422 Speaker 3: at you like mommy, you know, and she's so delighted 621 00:30:28,422 --> 00:30:29,902 Speaker 3: and she wants to be with you all the time 622 00:30:30,102 --> 00:30:33,302 Speaker 3: to this person who basically couldn't care less. She and 623 00:30:33,382 --> 00:30:36,022 Speaker 3: you nine this year, she's near ten this year. Oh okay. 624 00:30:36,462 --> 00:30:40,461 Speaker 3: And she mostly has requests for me like can I 625 00:30:40,542 --> 00:30:43,142 Speaker 3: have and will you take me? And am I allowed to? 626 00:30:43,782 --> 00:30:45,582 Speaker 3: And very little else. She gets in the car and 627 00:30:45,622 --> 00:30:47,302 Speaker 3: I often say you have to talk to me for 628 00:30:47,302 --> 00:30:49,542 Speaker 3: ten minutes before you put earbuds in, and she's like, 629 00:30:51,742 --> 00:30:53,941 Speaker 3: but the thing there is is my best is because 630 00:30:53,942 --> 00:30:56,982 Speaker 3: the other side of that is the joy in seeing 631 00:30:57,022 --> 00:30:59,782 Speaker 3: them become more independent, Like there's sadness for you. And 632 00:30:59,782 --> 00:31:01,742 Speaker 3: a lot of my friends message my mother's group obviously 633 00:31:01,782 --> 00:31:04,181 Speaker 3: all our kids turning fifteen, they are messaging each other, 634 00:31:04,222 --> 00:31:07,462 Speaker 3: and I'm really struggling with this pulling away. But there's 635 00:31:07,502 --> 00:31:11,382 Speaker 3: also so much joy in seeing and become independent beings. 636 00:31:11,462 --> 00:31:13,582 Speaker 3: And I just I love it a bits and I 637 00:31:13,582 --> 00:31:15,462 Speaker 3: look at it and i just think, obviously in my eyes, 638 00:31:15,502 --> 00:31:16,262 Speaker 3: I'm like, you're. 639 00:31:16,222 --> 00:31:20,902 Speaker 4: Just the most gorgeous. 640 00:31:21,582 --> 00:31:25,421 Speaker 2: Well yeah, mo, than, what was your worst? 641 00:31:25,742 --> 00:31:29,142 Speaker 1: My worst of the week was actually my boobs, which is. 642 00:31:29,222 --> 00:31:32,902 Speaker 4: So you've got good boobs, bab No, They're too big 643 00:31:33,102 --> 00:31:35,782 Speaker 4: and I don't like them at the moment. I'm fighting 644 00:31:35,822 --> 00:31:39,622 Speaker 4: with my boobs. So I've been trying to add testosterone. 645 00:31:39,661 --> 00:31:41,542 Speaker 4: I'm actually thinking this might be the problem. Although test 646 00:31:42,302 --> 00:31:44,342 Speaker 4: testosterone adding it to my hr T. 647 00:31:44,782 --> 00:31:47,782 Speaker 3: This is not medical advice. Do not take medical You 648 00:31:47,782 --> 00:31:48,222 Speaker 3: should do that. 649 00:31:50,262 --> 00:31:53,342 Speaker 4: You can just go and get it like from the shop. 650 00:31:53,702 --> 00:31:55,062 Speaker 2: It sounds like you're having to play. 651 00:31:55,822 --> 00:31:59,502 Speaker 4: No. I was prescribed it biomedical professional based on my 652 00:32:00,102 --> 00:32:04,222 Speaker 4: hormonal levels, which were measured because I'm postmenopausal now, and 653 00:32:04,422 --> 00:32:07,142 Speaker 4: so every time I've tried to use it, it's not 654 00:32:07,182 --> 00:32:09,102 Speaker 4: agreed with me. And I well, the first time I 655 00:32:09,182 --> 00:32:11,862 Speaker 4: realized I used twice as much as I was meant to. 656 00:32:11,982 --> 00:32:12,582 Speaker 2: Did you grow a bit? 657 00:32:12,862 --> 00:32:16,582 Speaker 4: Did? I wanted to vomit and I felt really wrong, 658 00:32:16,742 --> 00:32:19,582 Speaker 4: felt terrible. And then I went and went, oh, I 659 00:32:19,822 --> 00:32:21,862 Speaker 4: actually was meant to be one pump, but I put 660 00:32:21,902 --> 00:32:24,702 Speaker 4: one pump under each arm instead of just one pump 661 00:32:24,742 --> 00:32:26,782 Speaker 4: between the two arms. Anyway, now I'm having like a 662 00:32:26,862 --> 00:32:29,062 Speaker 4: quarter of a pump. I don't think it's agreeing with me. 663 00:32:29,422 --> 00:32:32,342 Speaker 4: It gave me a period. I started spotting my boobs 664 00:32:32,382 --> 00:32:34,622 Speaker 4: were like sore in the way that they feel like 665 00:32:34,661 --> 00:32:36,981 Speaker 4: when you're about to get your period or when you're pregnant. 666 00:32:36,982 --> 00:32:39,222 Speaker 4: And I was like, imagine if I was pregnant, but 667 00:32:39,422 --> 00:32:40,582 Speaker 4: I'm not pregnant. 668 00:32:40,582 --> 00:32:43,941 Speaker 2: Ply's laugh Now, well it's so beautiful focus I have 669 00:32:43,982 --> 00:32:45,461 Speaker 2: a baby, and you're like, I want a baby, and 670 00:32:45,502 --> 00:32:48,302 Speaker 2: I'm like, Maya, you're fifty something. 671 00:32:47,302 --> 00:32:50,542 Speaker 1: It's miracle. 672 00:32:50,822 --> 00:32:54,862 Speaker 4: Anyway, but my boobs just became so big, and I 673 00:32:54,982 --> 00:32:57,622 Speaker 4: just became I started thinking about getting a breast reduction. 674 00:32:57,702 --> 00:32:59,662 Speaker 1: This week. They've settled down a bit now. 675 00:32:59,582 --> 00:33:01,502 Speaker 3: Maybe just back off the testosterone. 676 00:33:01,542 --> 00:33:04,941 Speaker 4: Jel yeah, I have. I've stopped that again. Anyway, So 677 00:33:05,022 --> 00:33:05,741 Speaker 4: that was my worst. 678 00:33:05,942 --> 00:33:07,542 Speaker 3: I just want to give you a compliment though, because 679 00:33:07,542 --> 00:33:09,382 Speaker 3: I think you dress your boobs very well, because you've 680 00:33:09,382 --> 00:33:10,902 Speaker 3: been I'm telling me for a while now how much 681 00:33:10,942 --> 00:33:13,182 Speaker 3: you don't like your big boobs, But I don't notice. 682 00:33:13,222 --> 00:33:16,102 Speaker 4: I think that you're interesting. This is not a diss 683 00:33:16,142 --> 00:33:18,302 Speaker 4: on anyone's big boobs. I have no objection. They just 684 00:33:18,342 --> 00:33:21,342 Speaker 4: feel because I didn't grow up with big boobs, I'm 685 00:33:21,382 --> 00:33:21,981 Speaker 4: just not used to it. 686 00:33:22,022 --> 00:33:22,702 Speaker 1: I feel like I've had. 687 00:33:22,661 --> 00:33:24,421 Speaker 3: A boob job, like you're in someone else's body. 688 00:33:24,462 --> 00:33:24,902 Speaker 1: Thank you. 689 00:33:25,742 --> 00:33:29,382 Speaker 4: Anyway, My best is Jesse mentioned we launched biz this week. 690 00:33:29,382 --> 00:33:31,542 Speaker 4: I think it's like our sixtieth podcast or something. I've 691 00:33:31,622 --> 00:33:34,622 Speaker 4: kind of lost count. What's been so fun on the 692 00:33:34,742 --> 00:33:38,382 Speaker 4: show has been all the talent. Like there's Sophurst who 693 00:33:38,422 --> 00:33:42,182 Speaker 4: used to work at Google, Michelle Battersby, who is an entrepreneur. 694 00:33:42,222 --> 00:33:44,822 Speaker 4: She has a company called Sunroom, and she's been a 695 00:33:45,182 --> 00:33:49,342 Speaker 4: chief marketing officer for Bumble and she's done amazing things 696 00:33:49,342 --> 00:33:51,502 Speaker 4: as well, and of course our own lazy girl, and 697 00:33:51,702 --> 00:33:53,981 Speaker 4: Vernon who's very ambitious but also wants to just have 698 00:33:54,022 --> 00:33:56,262 Speaker 4: a good lightoun who doesn't need, who does need? And 699 00:33:56,422 --> 00:33:58,782 Speaker 4: Vernon because what she brings to the show is a 700 00:33:58,822 --> 00:34:01,501 Speaker 4: lot of humor and also the perspective of what you 701 00:34:01,542 --> 00:34:04,622 Speaker 4: were talking about, Jesse, which is the I'm ambitious, but 702 00:34:04,661 --> 00:34:05,342 Speaker 4: I'm also just. 703 00:34:05,342 --> 00:34:06,742 Speaker 2: A very fresh take on career. 704 00:34:06,862 --> 00:34:10,422 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so it sounds different, It sounds like a 705 00:34:10,462 --> 00:34:13,741 Speaker 4: different show. It's a lot of fun. I really love 706 00:34:13,782 --> 00:34:16,862 Speaker 4: that process of just working creatively with the team on 707 00:34:16,902 --> 00:34:20,941 Speaker 4: that show, including our Grepp Georgie, Who's and now it's 708 00:34:20,982 --> 00:34:23,022 Speaker 4: we're just letting it into the world and it's being 709 00:34:23,062 --> 00:34:25,502 Speaker 4: received really well and I'm stoked. So that's my best 710 00:34:25,542 --> 00:34:26,021 Speaker 4: of the week. 711 00:34:26,462 --> 00:34:30,861 Speaker 2: New Talent Worst has been a while coming along with 712 00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:33,421 Speaker 2: this podcast. For the last three and a bit years, 713 00:34:33,462 --> 00:34:36,781 Speaker 2: I've been co hosting another podcast called Canceled, which is 714 00:34:37,302 --> 00:34:40,181 Speaker 2: my favorite thing going in and recording that. It's my 715 00:34:40,261 --> 00:34:42,462 Speaker 2: twin sister, Claire and I sit there and just laugh 716 00:34:42,502 --> 00:34:44,861 Speaker 2: for forty five minutes. We have had some of the 717 00:34:44,902 --> 00:34:48,862 Speaker 2: best times in that studio. And over the last few months, 718 00:34:48,862 --> 00:34:52,661 Speaker 2: Claire has been making some career decisions. She's been finishing 719 00:34:52,661 --> 00:34:56,341 Speaker 2: off a book, and when you write a book, it's 720 00:34:56,382 --> 00:35:00,062 Speaker 2: a very solitary task and by the end you kind 721 00:35:00,062 --> 00:35:02,542 Speaker 2: of go, oh, wow, look what I can do On 722 00:35:02,542 --> 00:35:04,901 Speaker 2: my own, and I think that she sort of looked 723 00:35:04,942 --> 00:35:07,421 Speaker 2: up and went, I have some projects that I feel, 724 00:35:07,502 --> 00:35:10,261 Speaker 2: especially when you're a twin, much of what you do 725 00:35:10,342 --> 00:35:13,701 Speaker 2: and who you are is about that relationship and it's 726 00:35:13,741 --> 00:35:16,422 Speaker 2: a bit of codependence. And so Claire came to this 727 00:35:16,502 --> 00:35:19,022 Speaker 2: conclusion over summer, I think I want to do a 728 00:35:19,022 --> 00:35:21,582 Speaker 2: few things on my own, and that would mean stopping 729 00:35:21,622 --> 00:35:26,661 Speaker 2: doing canceled and it broke my heart, Like I wasn't 730 00:35:26,701 --> 00:35:31,701 Speaker 2: ready for it to finish. I felt like I was 731 00:35:31,862 --> 00:35:35,181 Speaker 2: dumped and that I was sister by my sister, and 732 00:35:35,221 --> 00:35:38,022 Speaker 2: also like I was going, oh, but almost you know, 733 00:35:38,062 --> 00:35:41,381 Speaker 2: when you beg them to take you back and look, 734 00:35:41,542 --> 00:35:45,102 Speaker 2: it was a classic it's not you, it's me situation, 735 00:35:45,342 --> 00:35:48,261 Speaker 2: like it was what Claire is planning. And I think 736 00:35:48,261 --> 00:35:50,462 Speaker 2: that once you've had a baby, your priority shift and 737 00:35:50,502 --> 00:35:52,861 Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. And it's been really really 738 00:35:52,902 --> 00:35:56,982 Speaker 2: hard to kind of see that gap and the community 739 00:35:56,982 --> 00:35:58,942 Speaker 2: that we've built and the listeners we have so so 740 00:35:59,062 --> 00:36:01,022 Speaker 2: much fun, and to have to sit down and we 741 00:36:01,062 --> 00:36:04,422 Speaker 2: recorded last episode, which was so fun, but to have 742 00:36:04,462 --> 00:36:06,741 Speaker 2: to tell them, I was like, oh, I have so 743 00:36:06,862 --> 00:36:08,941 Speaker 2: much fun chatting to you every way. 744 00:36:09,102 --> 00:36:11,822 Speaker 4: A lot of our latters of who are also canceled listeners. 745 00:36:11,902 --> 00:36:14,261 Speaker 4: Holly and I have been asking when's canceled coming? 746 00:36:14,342 --> 00:36:14,902 Speaker 5: Yeah. 747 00:36:14,982 --> 00:36:17,542 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really sad. And I think that Claire will 748 00:36:17,582 --> 00:36:19,502 Speaker 2: go and do projects, and we go off and do 749 00:36:19,542 --> 00:36:21,982 Speaker 2: our own things, and then we'll be back doing something 750 00:36:21,982 --> 00:36:25,622 Speaker 2: in some capacity at some point. But for now it's 751 00:36:25,902 --> 00:36:28,301 Speaker 2: it's resting. We have a back catalog of a million 752 00:36:28,342 --> 00:36:30,742 Speaker 2: episodes that are so much fun. But I'm very, very. 753 00:36:30,582 --> 00:36:33,062 Speaker 4: Sad to see that that's the end of an era. 754 00:36:33,181 --> 00:36:36,181 Speaker 2: It's the end of an era. Look, my best what. 755 00:36:36,221 --> 00:36:38,222 Speaker 1: Are you what podcast? Are you going to quit this week? 756 00:36:38,422 --> 00:36:40,341 Speaker 3: I'm not quitting me. In fact, we just brought it back. 757 00:36:41,422 --> 00:36:43,502 Speaker 3: I suddenly thought, hey, I've got to jump on this 758 00:36:43,582 --> 00:36:45,861 Speaker 3: quick and get a mid plumb. This week it's me 759 00:36:46,062 --> 00:36:47,941 Speaker 3: talking to Amanda Kella and her best friend of NADA 760 00:36:47,982 --> 00:36:52,021 Speaker 3: about friendship love and I cry in the intro because 761 00:36:52,022 --> 00:36:54,062 Speaker 3: I wrote an intro about my best friend and about 762 00:36:54,181 --> 00:36:57,622 Speaker 3: ex friends and friendships and cheerleading friends and feedback friends, 763 00:36:57,661 --> 00:37:00,542 Speaker 3: and it made me cry. Me and producer Grace were 764 00:37:00,622 --> 00:37:02,102 Speaker 3: like crying in there, and I was like, this isn't 765 00:37:02,382 --> 00:37:05,221 Speaker 3: how this is supposed to go. Anyway, Go listen to 766 00:37:05,542 --> 00:37:07,542 Speaker 3: one of those friendships that you like. I see why, 767 00:37:07,661 --> 00:37:08,982 Speaker 3: the chemistry of this world. 768 00:37:09,142 --> 00:37:13,261 Speaker 2: I love those episodes. Well, my best is that for 769 00:37:13,302 --> 00:37:15,942 Speaker 2: the last eighty months of my life I have listened 770 00:37:15,942 --> 00:37:17,781 Speaker 2: to more Wiggles than anyone should ever listen to. Right, 771 00:37:17,822 --> 00:37:19,462 Speaker 2: and no hate to the Wiggles. I like them, but 772 00:37:19,661 --> 00:37:22,062 Speaker 2: it does something to you psychologically when you. 773 00:37:23,661 --> 00:37:25,741 Speaker 3: And you begin to obsess about them. I began to 774 00:37:25,781 --> 00:37:28,902 Speaker 3: obsess about them and like start obsessing their private life. 775 00:37:29,542 --> 00:37:32,382 Speaker 2: I follow them stories to yourself. I see them on 776 00:37:32,382 --> 00:37:34,941 Speaker 2: TikTok and I'm like, Hi, how are you so high? 777 00:37:35,022 --> 00:37:36,622 Speaker 2: You live in my house? Yeah, you live in my 778 00:37:36,622 --> 00:37:39,982 Speaker 2: house exactly. And over the weekend I was going to 779 00:37:40,022 --> 00:37:42,142 Speaker 2: visit my pop and where he is at the moment 780 00:37:42,221 --> 00:37:45,182 Speaker 2: is fifty minutes away right long Cartridge, and I tried 781 00:37:45,181 --> 00:37:47,182 Speaker 2: to play my podcast. I try to play my music. 782 00:37:47,221 --> 00:37:49,981 Speaker 2: It's just a firm no on that. It's always from 783 00:37:50,502 --> 00:37:55,022 Speaker 2: from the backseat, firm No Wiggles Anyway, Figgles. We have 784 00:37:55,181 --> 00:37:57,661 Speaker 2: changed and now we have a new request. And you 785 00:37:57,701 --> 00:38:00,942 Speaker 2: know what the new request is, Taya, Oh, we've become 786 00:38:00,982 --> 00:38:07,062 Speaker 2: obsessed with Taylor's to our Well, it's our auntie who 787 00:38:07,102 --> 00:38:11,181 Speaker 2: is the craziest Swifty, you've ever met? She loves Taylor Swift. 788 00:38:11,342 --> 00:38:14,381 Speaker 2: And I think that maybe Luna seems to know a 789 00:38:14,422 --> 00:38:16,622 Speaker 2: lot about the album and the Eras tour, which is 790 00:38:16,622 --> 00:38:18,902 Speaker 2: weird because she's not last screen time. But when I 791 00:38:18,902 --> 00:38:20,902 Speaker 2: did catch her watching the Eras tour, she could do 792 00:38:20,942 --> 00:38:22,502 Speaker 2: a choreographed routine. 793 00:38:23,142 --> 00:38:24,741 Speaker 3: What's her favorite Taylor song? 794 00:38:24,862 --> 00:38:27,461 Speaker 2: Well, she started requesting one. There's one called the One. 795 00:38:27,502 --> 00:38:29,062 Speaker 2: I didn't even know there was one called the One. 796 00:38:29,221 --> 00:38:31,341 Speaker 2: So I was like, hey, Siri, play the one and 797 00:38:32,022 --> 00:38:33,942 Speaker 2: the one and she loves it. 798 00:38:33,942 --> 00:38:35,221 Speaker 1: It was also like, so I can do it with 799 00:38:35,261 --> 00:38:35,901 Speaker 1: a broken heart. 800 00:38:36,062 --> 00:38:36,582 Speaker 2: She does. 801 00:38:36,942 --> 00:38:37,902 Speaker 3: She started tworking. 802 00:38:37,942 --> 00:38:41,622 Speaker 2: She started working, and then the other day we've been 803 00:38:41,661 --> 00:38:43,142 Speaker 2: trying to teach her to say love, so I go, 804 00:38:43,422 --> 00:38:45,741 Speaker 2: I love you. I loved it, Like we're trying to 805 00:38:45,741 --> 00:38:47,582 Speaker 2: get her to say it, and she's going love love 806 00:38:47,661 --> 00:38:49,661 Speaker 2: and then she goes I love and there was this 807 00:38:49,942 --> 00:38:53,862 Speaker 2: pregnant pause and she goes Taya down and she starts 808 00:38:53,902 --> 00:38:57,062 Speaker 2: doing a little twerk. I was like, so the best 809 00:38:57,261 --> 00:38:59,781 Speaker 2: was that for fifty minutes I got to listen to 810 00:38:59,781 --> 00:39:02,221 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift. Fifty minutes I listened back and I was like, 811 00:39:02,302 --> 00:39:04,982 Speaker 2: I can lyrically musically. 812 00:39:04,661 --> 00:39:06,142 Speaker 1: Oh, she's an incredible songwriter. 813 00:39:06,302 --> 00:39:10,822 Speaker 2: I'm here. This is Taylor more for filling for Mummy 814 00:39:11,022 --> 00:39:12,502 Speaker 2: than hot potato better bridges. 815 00:39:12,701 --> 00:39:15,342 Speaker 3: Yes, this is the plan from Auntie. Is she a 816 00:39:15,422 --> 00:39:17,062 Speaker 3: doctrin hu via your door? 817 00:39:17,342 --> 00:39:19,622 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, and I'll be going to the next tour. 818 00:39:19,822 --> 00:39:22,102 Speaker 3: Love Love, That is all we've got time for today. 819 00:39:22,261 --> 00:39:24,301 Speaker 3: Out Louder is a massive thank you to you for 820 00:39:24,342 --> 00:39:26,502 Speaker 3: being with us all week. Of course, we'll be back 821 00:39:26,502 --> 00:39:28,622 Speaker 3: in your ears next week. But if you still want 822 00:39:28,661 --> 00:39:31,182 Speaker 3: more of us, and why wouldn't you, of course, listen 823 00:39:31,261 --> 00:39:35,062 Speaker 3: to yesterday's episode about Night Bitch. It is an extraordinary 824 00:39:35,142 --> 00:39:38,062 Speaker 3: TV show, the Amy Adams One about motherhood and dogs. 825 00:39:38,102 --> 00:39:40,102 Speaker 3: All of us watched it, all of us discussed it, 826 00:39:40,502 --> 00:39:42,382 Speaker 3: loved it, loved it. There's a link in the show notes. 827 00:39:42,422 --> 00:39:44,582 Speaker 3: Go listen. Jesse Adma read us out. 828 00:39:44,741 --> 00:39:47,742 Speaker 2: A big thank you to our team group executive producer 829 00:39:47,862 --> 00:39:51,381 Speaker 2: Ruth Devine, Executive producer Emmeline Gazillis. 830 00:39:51,701 --> 00:39:54,622 Speaker 4: She has a recommendation. Em She told me she wanted 831 00:39:54,661 --> 00:39:57,182 Speaker 4: to pass on to the Out louders. She's been getting 832 00:39:57,261 --> 00:40:01,822 Speaker 4: really into the fancy flavored tuna and she's even managed 833 00:40:01,902 --> 00:40:05,301 Speaker 4: to convert our big boss Ruth, who once ranted about. 834 00:40:05,302 --> 00:40:06,701 Speaker 1: The stuff because it's our feedback. 835 00:40:06,781 --> 00:40:10,462 Speaker 4: Yeah it can we be controversial having tune in the office. 836 00:40:10,462 --> 00:40:13,342 Speaker 4: But also Ruth didn't like that there were too many tunas. 837 00:40:12,982 --> 00:40:14,382 Speaker 2: No because you're buy the wrong one. You go and 838 00:40:14,422 --> 00:40:16,102 Speaker 2: you get chili oil and you're like, I didn't want that. 839 00:40:16,142 --> 00:40:16,981 Speaker 2: I wanted sea salt. 840 00:40:17,062 --> 00:40:20,261 Speaker 4: But M's like, lean in, they're having pesto tuna. It's 841 00:40:20,342 --> 00:40:22,582 Speaker 4: just a big I think it's Serena. M's now a 842 00:40:22,661 --> 00:40:23,942 Speaker 4: Tuna influencer anyway. 843 00:40:24,022 --> 00:40:24,861 Speaker 3: Okay, so Reco. 844 00:40:25,102 --> 00:40:28,181 Speaker 2: Our audio producer is Leah Porgies who's probably aiding Tuna too, 845 00:40:28,382 --> 00:40:30,181 Speaker 2: and video producer Josh Green. 846 00:40:30,542 --> 00:40:32,982 Speaker 3: Bye byey. 847 00:40:33,741 --> 00:40:36,901 Speaker 4: Shout out to any Mum and Maya subscribers listening. If 848 00:40:36,942 --> 00:40:39,502 Speaker 4: you love the show and want to support us as well, 849 00:40:39,741 --> 00:40:42,142 Speaker 4: subscribing to Mom and Mia is the very best way 850 00:40:42,142 --> 00:40:44,661 Speaker 4: to do so. There is a link in the episode description.