Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to another week, and welcome to Mama
Speaker 2: Mia out Loud. It's what women are actually talking about
Speaker 2: on Monday, the ninth of March.
Speaker 3: I'm Holly wayIn Wright, I'm Klaire Stevens.
Speaker 4: And I'm Amelia Lester.
Speaker 2: And here are some things that have made our agenda
Speaker 2: for today. Why Megan, the Duchess of jam might be
Speaker 2: standing next to you in a Sydney coffee queue next
Speaker 2: month and what that has to do with the unfolding
Speaker 2: multimillion dollar drama of Kyle.
Speaker 5: And Jackia, plus the act of subtle rebellion that has
Speaker 5: everyone talking about the Iranian women's soccer team.
Speaker 6: And look, my favorite show is Love Story, but Daryl
Speaker 6: Hannah says I have to stop watching it, So we're
Speaker 6: going to talk about why. And you know, we just
Speaker 6: had to check in on the latest Brooklyn Beckham drama.
Speaker 2: I just had a little laugh at the beginning of
Speaker 2: that sentence out louders because off Mike, we've.
Speaker 3: Just rousing Amelia abount that show.
Speaker 4: We shall get to.
Speaker 2: That, but first, before we get started, we know that
Speaker 2: there is one out Loud host that you have all
Speaker 2: been dying to hear from, so welcome to our table
Speaker 2: remotely one Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 5: Hello, This is Jesse from the other side of pregnancy
Speaker 5: luc who is also here John. Hello, Hi, We are
Speaker 5: driving to the hospital. We've just dropped Luna at her
Speaker 5: little Chuck here.
Speaker 4: There is so.
Speaker 5: Much I want to debrief on with the outlouders. There
Speaker 5: is so much that has happened since early last Saturday morning.
Speaker 5: Enormous shock, my waters broke, and from there it was
Speaker 5: an absolute whirlwind. And on early Monday morning we welcomed
Speaker 5: Harry and Margo into the world. They are tiny, but
Speaker 5: they are healthy, is the headline. They needed some snorkels
Speaker 5: to help them breathe to start with, and they were
Speaker 5: in Nikou for a good week and now they've been
Speaker 5: moved to special care.
Speaker 4: As the latest update.
Speaker 5: We are in this bizarre period of limbo where I
Speaker 5: was saying to Holly, everyone tells you when you have
Speaker 5: twins or when you're expecting, your hands are going to
Speaker 5: be so full, or you'll have your hands full, and
Speaker 5: our hands when we're not at the hospital are empty.
Speaker 5: And it's really discombobulating and weird and heartbreaking. But there
Speaker 5: are moments of absolute beauty and joy in it. You know,
Speaker 5: I didn't get to hold Harry for hours and hours
Speaker 5: after he was born, but the second I got to
Speaker 5: see him at hold him was so special. So lots
Speaker 5: to tell you a big story coming. I would love
Speaker 5: to tell you the story this week where trying to
Speaker 5: get a little routine going with being in the hospital
Speaker 5: and balancing it all with lunar and everything. But I
Speaker 5: just want to thank everyone who has reached out, and
Speaker 5: the people who have reached out with their own stories
Speaker 5: of NIKU and special care. Really obviously to say, but
Speaker 5: you don't get.
Speaker 4: It till you get it.
Speaker 5: I had absolutely no idea what that would be like,
Speaker 5: sending so much love to anyone who has ever gone
Speaker 5: through that or is currently going through it. It is a headfuck,
Speaker 5: a total headfuck. Anyway, we are in in the hard bit,
Speaker 5: and we are falling more and more in love with
Speaker 5: these babies every single day, and we know just how
Speaker 5: lucky we are to have them cared for so well. Luca,
Speaker 5: did you want to say anything? I have no idea
Speaker 5: what I just said, and I like my brain I've
Speaker 5: been saying that even when I like write down the
Speaker 5: express milk date. I'm like, it's the fortieth of November today,
Speaker 5: So I don't know anything that I just said, any corrections.
Speaker 1: I wasn't listening.
Speaker 5: Okay, cool, all right, love that, talk to you soon,
Speaker 5: out Louders. Bye.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 5: There's one extra thing that the out louders are going
Speaker 5: to really care about, and that is the snacks. I
Speaker 5: can't believe I didn't acknowledge that before Mike and Harry.
Speaker 5: As we all know, I no longer have diabetes now. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: my app site is just not where I need it
Speaker 5: to be in order to fully enjoy all of the snacks.
Speaker 5: I have been indulging in Cadbury Easter eggs. I have
Speaker 5: had a smoothie. Last night we went back to burgers
Speaker 5: and chips. What else have I been enjoying?
Speaker 2: You really really did have a good crack at your
Speaker 2: burger and chips.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah I did. It was just all gone, It
Speaker 5: was all gone. That's just been lovely. Yeah, I've been
Speaker 5: I've been really enjoying that. Thanks so much for your
Speaker 5: support out Louders during.
Speaker 7: Champagne.
Speaker 5: Oh I have I have. That's been lovely. But I'm
Speaker 5: looking forward to continuing to eat too much sugar for
Speaker 5: the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, if anyone's knew here, that was of
Speaker 2: course Jesse Stevens, who is one of our beloved toasts
Speaker 2: here are out Loud Clare.
Speaker 3: She's also your sister.
Speaker 2: Yes, what do you want to add to that amazing
Speaker 2: update from your twin?
Speaker 5: So it has been a bit of a roller coaster week.
Speaker 5: Every now and then Jesse will say I'm feeling very emotional.
Speaker 4: I think something's.
Speaker 5: Wrong, and I'm like, no, I think that is totally
Speaker 5: healthy and normal. And so there have been a few
Speaker 5: times where I feel like things emotionally haven't hit her
Speaker 5: yet and they'll hit me, but I'm like, I just
Speaker 5: won't say anything until it hits her. But I did
Speaker 5: think it was funny that a lot of the out
Speaker 5: Louders when Jesse posted a photo of Harry and Margo
Speaker 5: and introduce them, a lot of out Louders weren't wearing
Speaker 5: their glasses and so there was a lot of confusion
Speaker 5: misinterpretation around what that post was. But my favorite was
Speaker 5: the out Louders who for sure thought that she had
Speaker 5: named her babies Harry and Meghan, which.
Speaker 2: She's really Jesse Stevens, I love you, but you have
Speaker 2: missed a trick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that would have been so fun. That would
Speaker 5: have been really fun.
Speaker 3: Have you been in there a lot?
Speaker 8: Have you?
Speaker 2: Being Auntie? I mean you're pregnant yourself, there is a
Speaker 2: lot of hormones and anxiety inducing things flying around and
Speaker 2: I'm sure, but have you been in there giving them
Speaker 2: a little squeeze when you can?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: Some might say too much. I have threatened to steal
Speaker 5: They've been given a swipe card for the NIKU Special
Speaker 5: Care area. I have threatened to steal it and turn
Speaker 5: up because the nurses a few times have thought I'm Jesse.
Speaker 3: And I'm like that, Yeah, that would be lovely.
Speaker 5: I'd come and just like have some cuddles, smuggle them
Speaker 5: out in my handbag. The cords will be a dead giveaway.
Speaker 5: But no, I'm completely besotted with them. They're so little.
Speaker 5: And it's weird because I was tiny.
Speaker 3: When I was born.
Speaker 5: I was growth restricted thanks to this person, you guys
Speaker 5: might know, Jesse. She had all my nutrients. So I
Speaker 5: look at Margo and I was the exact same size
Speaker 5: she was when I was born, and I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 5: Mum and Dad weren't lying when they said I could
Speaker 5: fit in the palm of their hand and all that
Speaker 5: stuff Nicki nurses. Just holy Molly, are there kinder people
Speaker 5: there are listening to these women the hope and the
Speaker 5: support and the kindness and the gentleness that they exude.
Speaker 5: I am in complete awe. I'm obsessed. And that's what
Speaker 5: everybody says. Nicki is actually quite a magical place.
Speaker 2: We just want to send all our love, of course
Speaker 2: to our Jesse and our Margot and our Harry and
Speaker 2: our Luna, but also to anyone out there who is
Speaker 2: going through this. As Jesse says out louders are so
Speaker 2: awesome with their wishes. And you can hear more about
Speaker 2: this from another member of this family tomorrow's Subscribe episode.
Speaker 2: I believe that one Nana Mia Friedman, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: call her Nana Nana to annoy it more, is going
Speaker 2: to kind of give a bit of her side of
Speaker 2: the update of the grand babies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sending Jesse lots of love.
Speaker 5: My favorite part of this whole thing was when Maya
Speaker 5: first entered the Niku, stood next to a baby, started
Speaker 5: crying and had to be told that it's not your
Speaker 5: that's not a baby that's related.
Speaker 3: Not related to that baby.
Speaker 5: And she became really attached to that baby, and I
Speaker 5: was like, that is the most Maya Friedman thing's ever happened.
Speaker 5: So if you're that baby's mother, I'm sorry me are
Speaker 5: imprinted on that child?
Speaker 3: Okay, back to business.
Speaker 2: I need to talk to you both about my friend Timothy.
Speaker 3: One week today is the Oscars.
Speaker 2: Mister Challamay has made no secret of the fact he
Speaker 2: really really wants that award for Marty Supreme. He's banged
Speaker 2: on about it a lot. Luckily for him, perhaps Oscar
Speaker 2: voting closed on Thursday night last week, oh, five pm, Thursday,
Speaker 2: LA time, right, because things were looking a bit shaky
Speaker 2: for him anyway on this front for a few reasons.
Speaker 2: But if Oscar's had closed after he'd said this, which
Speaker 2: we're about to play you, I have a feeling his
Speaker 2: hopes would be even lower. So Timothy Challamau was being
Speaker 2: interviewed for Variety magazine. Matthew McConaughey is sitting next to him.
Speaker 2: It's one of those round tably things. So in this interview,
Speaker 2: he was talking about whether people should be protecting cinemas.
Speaker 2: You know how there's this big debate going on about like.
Speaker 3: Everybody should go to the movies to watch a movie.
Speaker 2: He weighs in on that and manages to put a great,
Speaker 2: big dancing shoe in the center.
Speaker 3: Of that argument.
Speaker 8: I admire people, and I've done it myself. Do you
Speaker 8: want to talk to you about? Hey, we got to
Speaker 8: keep movie theaters alive, you know, we got to keep
Speaker 8: this genre alive. And another part of me feels like
Speaker 8: if people want to see it like Barbie, like Oppenheimer,
Speaker 8: they're going to go see it and go out of
Speaker 8: their way and be loud and proud about it. And
Speaker 8: I don't want to be working in ballet or opera
Speaker 8: or you know, things where it's like, hey, keep this
Speaker 8: thing alive even though no one cares about this year
Speaker 8: all respect to the ballet and opera people out there,
Speaker 8: I just lost fourteen cents in viewership.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling you can imagine how that went
Speaker 2: down with the ballet and opera community.
Speaker 6: What you can't see in that clip is Matthew McConaughey
Speaker 6: sitting next to him, just thinking like you are digging
Speaker 6: yourself a hole, mate. When Matthew McConaughey knows that, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's true.
Speaker 3: Famously, the naked bongo playing He's famously.
Speaker 4: Easy going, and even he looks nervous.
Speaker 2: It does because what has happened since that little video
Speaker 2: went viral is ballet dances all over the world have
Speaker 2: played Timothy shallow May their number one enemy. There have
Speaker 2: been operas that are offering discount code for tickets with
Speaker 2: the word Timothy. There have been ballet dancers like performing
Speaker 2: these amazing stunts on their tiptoes.
Speaker 4: I want to make them angry. Has anyone seen black Swan?
Speaker 2: I know, I know the particularly mad about the no
Speaker 2: one cares comment, Claire.
Speaker 3: Has he scuppered his chances? Yes?
Speaker 5: And okay, really dumb question. Did he win at the
Speaker 5: other awards?
Speaker 2: So he won some of them, but he didn't win
Speaker 2: the most recent one. So he did he won a
Speaker 2: Golden Globe. You know, the run up to the Oscars,
Speaker 2: there's a series of awards and usually it kind of
Speaker 2: builds momentum, and his momentum early was good. But in
Speaker 2: the last two awards ceremonies is dropped off a bit.
Speaker 2: And I think that maybe enthusiasm for Timothy and a
Speaker 2: few other things like the surge for sinners, for example,
Speaker 2: Michael B. Jordan one at the Bafters. My prediction is
Speaker 2: he's going to be disappointed on Monday. But I also
Speaker 2: think that after this comment, Timothy's dollar has sung.
Speaker 5: It's now also the thing where he said a stupid thing,
Speaker 5: which there's such a thing as doing too many interviews
Speaker 5: and then you just have too much opportunity to say things.
Speaker 5: So I can almost see how he said this and
Speaker 5: where he was coming from. But it was a really
Speaker 5: dumb thing to say, because.
Speaker 2: Those are very privileged, high falutint arts that it costs
Speaker 2: a lot of money to go and see them, which
Speaker 2: is why it's a bit of a weird comparison to
Speaker 2: although multiplex tickets aren't cheap days the price.
Speaker 3: Of popcorns, I know.
Speaker 5: But the funny thing is that once you say something
Speaker 5: like that, then you've got a target on your back,
Speaker 5: and then everybody goes through your whole career and likes
Speaker 5: to pull things out. So my favorite little tidbit that
Speaker 5: has come out in the last few days is the
Speaker 5: revelation that during filming for Wonka, Chalomay's private chef was
Speaker 5: required to prepare three different breakfasts, of which Chalameai would
Speaker 5: only have one. Bless him, I had done so much.
Speaker 5: He hasn't addressed the breakfast room.
Speaker 4: It be real, we would do the same thing.
Speaker 9: I know.
Speaker 5: Actually, I don't know what I feel like.
Speaker 6: I never know if I want sweet or save for
Speaker 6: it until I get to it exactly. I also love
Speaker 6: that he was called to his high school principal's office.
Speaker 4: Did you see this?
Speaker 6: He went to this very prestigious school called LaGuardia High
Speaker 6: School of Music and Art in New York, and Principal
Speaker 6: Mahwah at that school wrote on Instagram over the weekend
Speaker 6: that he wasn't mad at Timmy, he was just disappointed.
Speaker 4: He said, LaGuardia, we do.
Speaker 6: Not rank art forms. You come from this world. We
Speaker 6: know your heart and we know you know better. And
Speaker 6: I learned from this Instagram post that Timmy himself his
Speaker 6: grandmother danced at the New York City Ballet, his mother
Speaker 6: danced at the New York City Ballet, and his sister
Speaker 6: danced at the New York City Ballet.
Speaker 4: So what is he doing?
Speaker 9: God?
Speaker 2: I also think that we don't have the patience for
Speaker 2: long award campaigns anymore.
Speaker 3: We've all moved on to Harry Styles.
Speaker 2: Like our favorite skinny white guy at the moment is
Speaker 2: Harry Styles, and we're like Timothy, who can we give
Speaker 2: the Oscar Harry styles?
Speaker 4: And he was wearing his darn orange in that interview too.
Speaker 2: I think he may have revealed himself as Kylie Jenner's boyfriend.
Speaker 3: That's rude of me.
Speaker 5: But last Monday, in the wake of increasing conflict in
Speaker 5: the Middle East, the Iranian women's soccer team took the
Speaker 5: field for their Asian Cup match against South Korea on
Speaker 5: the Gold Coast. What happened next went viral. The team
Speaker 5: stayed silent during their country's national anthem, staring ahead, some
Speaker 5: of them with subtle smiles on their faces, and it
Speaker 5: was widely interpreted as a subtle act of resistance against
Speaker 5: the islam Republic. In the days afterwards, they were labeled
Speaker 5: as wartime traders by Iranian state television. Radical conservative presenter
Speaker 5: Mohammad Rezat Shabazi called for the squad and the coach
Speaker 5: to be dealt with more severely under what's believed to
Speaker 5: be suspected instruction from their security. The team then did
Speaker 5: sing their national anthem before their match against Australia on
Speaker 5: Friday and their match against the Philippines on Sunday. What
Speaker 5: is terrifying is that there are now grave concerns for
Speaker 5: the team as they prepare to head home, and we're
Speaker 5: really seeing how this conflict is reaching Iranian people all
Speaker 5: over the world. We had a an out louder called
Speaker 5: Motti reach out and chat about this particular story and
Speaker 5: how much it was meaning to her. Holly, what do
Speaker 5: we know about the current situation with this football team.
Speaker 2: So the thing is is the Iranian team of now
Speaker 2: are now out of the tournament, so they've lost their
Speaker 2: three games, and so they should be going home. They
Speaker 2: should be going back to Tehran. It hasn't been confirmed
Speaker 2: whether or not they have or are. But last night
Speaker 2: when they lost their last match and they got on
Speaker 2: the bus to leave the stadium where they were playing,
Speaker 2: a lot of protests had gathered around them, waving flags
Speaker 2: from pre Islamic regime revolution in Iran, expressing grave fears
Speaker 2: for these women's safety, pressuring the Australian government to give
Speaker 2: offer them asylum. The thing that's complicated here is that
Speaker 2: they are, as you've said, Claire, they're traveling with government officials,
Speaker 2: so they are under surveillance, and nobody wants to add
Speaker 2: any danger to what these women are doing and going through.
Speaker 2: It's a very quickly evolving situation because people. A spokesperson
Speaker 2: for Amnesty International, for example, says that at this point
Speaker 2: this team is kind of damned if they do and
Speaker 2: damned if they don't. Want it comes to returning to Iran,
Speaker 2: because if they're seen as being traders and they go back,
Speaker 2: they could be punished, as per what they report on
Speaker 2: the state television said, who explicitly called for an example
Speaker 2: to be set by these women.
Speaker 3: But then if they don't, their.
Speaker 2: Families could be targets back at home. So it's incredibly difficult.
Speaker 2: It's just worth noting. I think watching this, you know,
Speaker 2: I was watching the Matildas play them on the weekend.
Speaker 2: I think the women's bravery is outstanding because Iran doesn't
Speaker 2: field a women's team in this way necessarily because the
Speaker 2: regime wants to more because FIFA insists that a women's
Speaker 2: team must be fielded if a man's team is being fielded.
Speaker 2: Right in many areas in the Middle East, just like
Speaker 2: in many places all around the world, soccer football is
Speaker 2: a huge, huge sport, and women playing it has been
Speaker 2: really controversial at different times in Iran, as it has
Speaker 2: in other parts of the world. There have been times
Speaker 2: women have been banned from entering stadiums. There have been
Speaker 2: times when they've been banned from playing it Publicly, that's
Speaker 2: not the case at the moment, but the amount of
Speaker 2: pressure that these women in orunda is enormous and it's
Speaker 2: just a reminder that sport can be so much more
Speaker 2: than sport, and women's sport in particular can be incredibly important.
Speaker 2: Sam Kerr was talking about playing the Iranians and obviously
Speaker 2: they beat them in the game on the weekend, but
Speaker 2: how impressed and in awe of their strength and composure
Speaker 2: the Australian team were, and how they wanted the world
Speaker 2: to know they had their arm around them.
Speaker 3: It's a really difficult situation.
Speaker 6: They're just so brave. It's hard to know what to say.
Speaker 6: I can't imagine having to get together and make that
Speaker 6: sort of decision as a team. It's so moving to
Speaker 6: me that they all agree to do the same thing together.
Speaker 2: A petition has been handed to the Albanese government mutually
Speaker 2: to Tony Burke, pushing for asylum, but as I said earlier,
Speaker 2: there's some complexities around that too, and Penny Wong at
Speaker 2: the time of recording, has just said that she stands
Speaker 2: with the women's team, whatever that means.
Speaker 5: There are rules around protecting I'm not sure if they
Speaker 5: come from FIFA or if they come from the Asian
Speaker 5: Cup itself, around protecting athletes who are in danger. So
Speaker 5: I found that really fascinating that there's an obligation to
Speaker 5: protect them if they are at risk upon returning home.
Speaker 6: The other thing I was just thinking about was there
Speaker 6: was a really horrible news story over the weekend about
Speaker 6: basically a hot mic moment where a women's sport team,
Speaker 6: at women's AFL team was practicing in Victoria and some
Speaker 6: men who were watching the game, who I believe were
Speaker 6: involved in a coaching capacity, made some really appalling comments
Speaker 6: about the physical shape of the women playing AFL, and
Speaker 6: I guess that just made me reflect these two events
Speaker 6: in contrast to each other. It made me think about
Speaker 6: how what you said, Holly is so true that sport
Speaker 6: can be more than sport, and the possibility of women
Speaker 6: competing on the world stage in sport and using their
Speaker 6: bodies to compete in that way can be such a
Speaker 6: powerful political statement in itself, and we shouldn't be patting
Speaker 6: ourselves on the back in Australia and pretending that we
Speaker 6: don't have issues with treating women athletes differently from male athletes,
Speaker 6: because we still do on Amelia And when I read
Speaker 6: those comments, I mean, there was so disgusting and out
Speaker 6: loud as well know, my daughter plays AFL and it's
Speaker 6: so upsetting to understand that those attitudes exist, but also that.
Speaker 2: Women just playing sport it can be a powerful political statement.
Speaker 2: But also why should it have to be, you know,
Speaker 2: when women and girls just want to play the game
Speaker 2: and get an enormous amount of satisfaction and empowerment from
Speaker 2: doing it. And yet somehow, even here, when I read
Speaker 2: that new story, it's like sort of dragged back down
Speaker 2: to some kind of political statement.
Speaker 4: You're so right.
Speaker 6: It came also on the heels of last week my
Speaker 6: daughter got the opportunity to go on the field at
Speaker 6: the Sydney Cricket Ground for the Swan's opening match at
Speaker 6: halftime and kick the ball around a little bit with
Speaker 6: her very cute team mixed team of boys and girls
Speaker 6: playing AFL for the first or second time in their lives.
Speaker 6: It made me tear up a little bit because you're
Speaker 6: so right, it shouldn't have to be a political statement
Speaker 6: for girls to play sport.
Speaker 3: To play up next.
Speaker 5: What does Kyle and Jackie O's feud have to do
Speaker 5: with Harry and Megan coming to Australia.
Speaker 9: How Loud is it has been a week. It's been
Speaker 9: a time. I've got news, and so I've decided it's
Speaker 9: not really my news, but it affects me. I've decided
Speaker 9: to do a different kind of subs episode this week,
Speaker 9: and it is a diary entry. It's just me with
Speaker 9: a mic. It's a bit insta babele, but it's pod babbel.
Speaker 9: It's subspod babbel that rolls off the tongue. I'm going
Speaker 9: to talk about my new grand babies, among other things.
Speaker 9: Have a listen, it's coming out tomorrow. I do subscriber
Speaker 9: episodes twice a week on Tuesdays and Thursdays. So if
Speaker 9: you're not already a subscriber and you want to hear
Speaker 9: my diary note, follow the link in the show notes
Speaker 9: to listen to out Loud five days a week.
Speaker 5: There's a few curious updates to the very juicy story.
Speaker 5: We can't look away from the falling out between Carl
Speaker 5: and Jackie oh. So last Wednesday we discussed in detail
Speaker 5: the segment that appears to have imploded the relationship between
Speaker 5: two of Australia's most long standing and lucrative media personalities.
Speaker 5: But on Friday, Jackie O came out with a statement
Speaker 5: clarifying one particular detail. She said, over the past few days,
Speaker 5: there has been a lot of speculation and misinformation about
Speaker 5: my departure on the show. I want to make one
Speaker 5: important point very clear. I did not quit or resign.
Speaker 5: Henderson said she was deeply saddened by the events of
Speaker 5: the past week and the possibility of the show ending,
Speaker 5: and she said this has come as a shock to me,
Speaker 5: as it has to everyone else. Now, this kind of
Speaker 5: got us thinking because a lot of the media did
Speaker 5: a lot of the coverage did have the tone that
Speaker 5: she had quit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, including me. I think he's talking to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know a story that was, like today, a
Speaker 2: woman walked away from one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4: The woman did not walk away from it.
Speaker 2: And the point I was kind of trying to make
Speaker 2: in that is there was a limit, and not necessarily
Speaker 2: specifically about Jackie, but obviously isn't that talk. There's a
Speaker 2: limit to how much shit you can take before you snap.
Speaker 2: And I think what Jackie's clearly pointing out is like
Speaker 2: she did not snap. Snap is the wrong word. It
Speaker 2: sounds derogatory, like she couldn't hack it or something. I
Speaker 2: don't mean that. I mean she's making a very clear point.
Speaker 2: I wasn't quitting. I was just saying this is untenable.
Speaker 2: And there's a good legal reason for making that point too,
Speaker 2: because if you're under contract and you quit, it's very
Speaker 2: different from if you're under contract and things end for
Speaker 2: another reason.
Speaker 5: Because when you go back and look at the original
Speaker 5: statement from ARN, which we read out on Wednesday's episode,
Speaker 5: it says Jacqueline Henderson has given notice that she cannot
Speaker 5: continue to work with mister Kyle Sandlands, and ARN has
Speaker 5: terminated the services agreement with Henderson under which she presents
Speaker 5: the Kyle and Jackie O Show. Now, it's also been
Speaker 5: reported that behind the scenes, she has said that she
Speaker 5: felt unsafe in that workplace. So, as you say, Holly,
Speaker 5: there is a very specific legal difference. What did you
Speaker 5: think of the commentary that perhaps she's been complicit in
Speaker 5: an environment with Kyle that has been misogynistic and perhaps
Speaker 5: contributed to other women feeling unsafe.
Speaker 2: Yes, and just obviously where this is going to end
Speaker 2: up is in two enormous legal cases, so everybody is
Speaker 2: going to be careful about what they say, myself included.
Speaker 2: But that commentary is just what out louders and every
Speaker 2: woman who reads Mama mir has been saying for a
Speaker 2: long time, which is very much a divided audience. Carl
Speaker 2: and Jackie, Oh, just for context, have this enormous audience
Speaker 2: one point five million listeners in Sydney alone, right, And
Speaker 2: there are millennial women, including ones who work in this office,
Speaker 2: who have been listening to them for decades and who
Speaker 2: are genuinely sad that that shows finished because they're kind
Speaker 2: of like in the same way that some people would
Speaker 2: say maths is their guilty pleasure in inverted commas, they'd say,
Speaker 2: I've grown up with Kyl and Jackie. That is part
Speaker 2: of my day, and I'm really sad that they're over right,
Speaker 2: But there are a lot of people who always have
Speaker 2: been very uncomfortable with that show.
Speaker 3: It's not news to anyone.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting about how you feel about the woman
Speaker 2: who sits next to the man. Some people have always
Speaker 2: seen her as well. She's got agencies to do what
Speaker 2: she wants. She's the highest paid media worker basically in Australia,
Speaker 2: good on you girl, make the money, and others have
Speaker 2: always said that she was complicit. Virginia Trioli, very experienced
Speaker 2: and respected broadcast wise woman of all kinds, spoke to
Speaker 2: Hamish McDonald on ABC Radio on Friday about this and
Speaker 2: this is what she said.
Speaker 1: He had a collaborator in Jackie O. And that collaborator
Speaker 1: who smiled and laughed prettily at all the appalling jokes
Speaker 1: and troducing of women and insulting of women and degrading
Speaker 1: of women that he was doing. She took the money
Speaker 1: and happily collaborated in that. So I feel for her
Speaker 1: if she feels that her workplace is uncertain.
Speaker 7: I can hear where you're landing on the gender question
Speaker 7: here right this reading really interesting pieces about you know,
Speaker 7: whether Jackie O is sort of victim or collaborator here
Speaker 7: or both which both nuanced. That's kind of trickier territory
Speaker 7: for us to sit in.
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you choose to be the collaborator,
Speaker 1: you'll probably end up being the victim at some point.
Speaker 1: And I think I don't want to make this personal,
Speaker 1: but there is such a thing as personal responsibility. And
Speaker 1: if you're prepared to take that cash in order to
Speaker 1: make that kind of radio, then you might expect this
Speaker 1: someday it might come for you.
Speaker 6: That point you made Holly the woman who sits next
Speaker 6: to the man, And I think that's what Virginia Trioli
Speaker 6: is getting out when she uses the word collaborate as well.
Speaker 6: It's almost like Jackie made what Kyle was saying feel okay. Well,
Speaker 6: there's a woman sitting next to him and she's laughing,
Speaker 6: so it must be okay. It kind of not just
Speaker 6: softens the blow, but kind of makes it more palatable
Speaker 6: for people. I was thinking about that time a journalist
Speaker 6: gave him an unfavorable review. Jacqueline mainly talked about this
Speaker 6: incident in her column over the weekend, and he described
Speaker 6: the journalist, who us, of course a woman, as a
Speaker 6: piece of shit and a fat slag. Now I'm sorry
Speaker 6: to even say those words on the air, but I
Speaker 6: think it's important that we reference it. And then Jackie's
Speaker 6: response to that was that she laughed, and she pointed
Speaker 6: out to listeners that there was a photo of the
Speaker 6: journalist in the article in case they were interested in
Speaker 6: having a look.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because I think I got a couple of
Speaker 2: messages after I wrote that story last week about the
Speaker 2: woman who walks away from one hundred million, because the
Speaker 2: way I set that up was like, how long can
Speaker 2: you put up with a difficult man? And one of
Speaker 2: the points I kind of made is that there's something
Speaker 2: sometimes about a powerful misogynist who aims his vitriol at
Speaker 2: other women but keeps some women close. And I got
Speaker 2: a few messages from women who feel that they've been
Speaker 2: in work relationships like that, or even relationships like that
Speaker 2: where you're on the inside or almost at the table.
Speaker 3: And so you're like, well, he doesn't hate all women.
Speaker 2: And when I say this, I'm not specifically talking about
Speaker 2: Kyle Jackio. I'm being broader. But you can say he
Speaker 2: doesn't hate all women because he's nice to me, right,
Speaker 2: And that's something that women who have been conditioned for
Speaker 2: a long time to scrap for their seat at a
Speaker 2: powerful table or for a hefty paid packet or whatever
Speaker 2: it is, that can be quite attractive. You're like, oh, so,
Speaker 2: you know, I know people say horrible things about such
Speaker 2: and such a boss, but he's always treated me well.
Speaker 2: And then the point that Melee was making, and a
Speaker 2: few others have made is that when that misogyny does
Speaker 2: get turned around and named it you, it can be
Speaker 2: very shocking. And that's what a few women were saying
Speaker 2: to me and their messages.
Speaker 4: Sometimes people even vote for men who act like.
Speaker 6: That is a very good Sometimes not always, but sometimes.
Speaker 5: I think that point that Virginia Tree only makes about
Speaker 5: if you are a collaborator, you will become a victim
Speaker 5: is just such a clever way of putting it, because
Speaker 5: I did think last week and last week, you know,
Speaker 5: we were still getting our heads around the story in
Speaker 5: the segment and all of that, but listening to the segment,
Speaker 5: it just is stark to hear Jackie being obviously it
Speaker 5: was cruel, like Kyle was being cruel.
Speaker 3: It was cruel.
Speaker 5: Jackie was upset. You could hear how upset she was.
Speaker 5: And as somebody who has listened, and I would like
Speaker 5: to clarify because there were some comments in the Outluders group.
Speaker 5: I am not a regular listener of Kylo, used to
Speaker 5: catch it on my way to work, so I swear
Speaker 5: it's okay, you're allowed.
Speaker 3: Like we're not. You know, we're not the police here,
Speaker 3: but I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm not some fan girl, but listening to that. There
Speaker 5: was an element of wait a second, you've giggled when
Speaker 5: he is throwing those kinds of attacks at other women,
Speaker 5: and like, is it surprising that he would then come
Speaker 5: for you. It's the thought of he's shown you that
Speaker 5: he is disrespectful, will continue to go at something once
Speaker 5: somebody has expressed that they're not okay, that he will
Speaker 5: go after women's appearances their way.
Speaker 4: What was the business model?
Speaker 6: It's more than just an incidental thing that happened every
Speaker 6: now and then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was part of the appeal of this show exactly.
Speaker 5: So it's interesting that when the cruelty has turned, and
Speaker 5: it was cruelty, when the cruelty has turned, that a
Speaker 5: lot of people are saying, hold on a second.
Speaker 2: I think whatever happens that's going to be very interesting
Speaker 2: because there is a lot of money, it's and obviously
Speaker 2: there are lawyers drawn at all quarters. But there is
Speaker 2: an interesting bit of gossip that's coming out here about
Speaker 2: what maybe one of Jackie's next moves. Now we need
Speaker 2: to be clear that that bit of this story isn't confirmed,
Speaker 2: but there is some interesting news that has been confirmed.
Speaker 2: Tell us about Meghan class.
Speaker 5: Yes, so there's some gossip and I swear these things
Speaker 5: are related. So, more than seven years after their last
Speaker 5: visit to Australia, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are returning
Speaker 5: in mid April. And why are they are going on
Speaker 5: a number of private business and philanthropic engagement in Simmy
Speaker 5: and Melbourne.
Speaker 2: What does that mean? Doing?
Speaker 5: No idea?
Speaker 2: So, because they've just been in the Middle East, right,
Speaker 2: So we've talked lots of times on this show about
Speaker 2: whether or not Harry and Meg's can be like Royal Light, so,
Speaker 2: you know, going on sort of royal tours that aren't
Speaker 2: royal tours, and they've just been on one in the
Speaker 2: Middle East, and they visited a refugee camp in Jordan,
Speaker 2: and they've done all kinds of you know, serious philanthropic things.
Speaker 2: But this private and business ventures, what's that all?
Speaker 6: Well? At the same time, news just came out that
Speaker 6: Netflix has essentially divorced itself from as ever Meghan's Edible
Speaker 6: Flowers and Jam business, and Meghan says this was always
Speaker 6: the plan. Her people said they always wanted to eventually
Speaker 6: go their own way because it started off as a
Speaker 6: joint venture with Netflix. They specifically said that what they
Speaker 6: want to do now that as ever is an in
Speaker 6: house operation only is start global shipping, including to Australia.
Speaker 4: They have heard your please, Holy my god, that's.
Speaker 3: What they're doing here, Claire.
Speaker 5: Well, I wanted to say I was a little bit
Speaker 5: surprised to hear that they were coming back, because something
Speaker 5: I think about late at night is that so when
Speaker 5: they were on their royal tour seven years ago, I
Speaker 5: somehow got approval from my boss at the time, which
Speaker 5: may or may not have been Hollywayen right to stand
Speaker 5: at the opera house for six hours and wait to
Speaker 5: meet them.
Speaker 3: That was a hard day's work.
Speaker 5: I don't see how that was like profitable for the business.
Speaker 6: Can I admit, as a fan girl of this show
Speaker 6: that Jesse was on this show immediately after she encountered
Speaker 6: them there, and that's what began her her whole Royal
Speaker 6: journey because she said that she loved them.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I have always been a staunch defender and
Speaker 5: I have said no. Harry looked me straight in the eyes, Megan,
Speaker 5: did I say congratulations on your pregnancy because I had
Speaker 5: announced it that morning, Like I've defended them because my
Speaker 5: beautiful interaction with them was simply lovely.
Speaker 3: Are they going to walk about again.
Speaker 5: I bloody hope so, and I will be out to
Speaker 5: have a look because I think they're stunning. But Tina
Speaker 5: Brown's book The Palace Papers, which was published in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty two, said that they hated that loyal to her,
Speaker 5: and it really made me rethink what I thought was.
Speaker 3: A beautiful moment that was a good story about, because.
Speaker 5: I thought I didn't want to wash my hand like
Speaker 5: because I had touched that. I was thinking this was
Speaker 5: such a special moment. It clearly wasn't for them. I
Speaker 5: thought they hated Australia, but clearly it was just the
Speaker 5: royalness that they hate. They didn't hate the country she hated.
Speaker 2: I think Harry likes Australia. Australia's got a very Harry
Speaker 2: vibe to.
Speaker 3: It, right.
Speaker 5: He has his friend Daphney.
Speaker 3: He does a lady in the will she does.
Speaker 2: But also the Royals obviously are here, have been here
Speaker 2: plenty of times. But she didn't like the princessnes of
Speaker 2: it all. So this time she can do what she wants.
Speaker 3: Now. The interesting thing, and why this.
Speaker 6: Is didn't she make banana bread when she went to
Speaker 6: Government House?
Speaker 4: I think she do remember that right.
Speaker 2: I think she had a bit of koala cuddling and
Speaker 2: all those things. But what's interesting, well how this links
Speaker 2: back to our friends Kyle and Jackie Oh, is that
Speaker 2: there are rumors, and these rumors are not confirmed, but
Speaker 2: they were in news dot com over the weekend that
Speaker 2: one of the things she might do is a big
Speaker 2: event with Jackie and Jemma O'Neill's company, Bestie's. Right now,
Speaker 2: Jackie has officially left that business, but there is rumors
Speaker 2: written in the in news dot com that says that
Speaker 2: just like they once bought Gwyneth Over, I'm like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, they've.
Speaker 3: Got all the same obsessions as me.
Speaker 2: I know, just as they once bought Gwyneth Over and
Speaker 2: people paid a lot of money to go and sit
Speaker 2: in an arena with them, they might be doing that
Speaker 2: with Megan now if that's true, and let's as I say,
Speaker 2: not confirmed in any way, very interesting pivot from the
Speaker 2: megs because good point Amelia that she might be launching
Speaker 2: as ever here, which would be genius because we all
Speaker 2: need the Rose stat but also high price speaking gigs
Speaker 2: are a very lucrative stream for a sort of high
Speaker 2: profile person who doesn't quite have a full time job anymore.
Speaker 2: So recently obviously, we had Oprah out here, remember in
Speaker 2: December she was out here for a weight loss medical company,
Speaker 2: but not explicitly talking about that in any way. There
Speaker 2: are rumors that the reported fee for that for OAPS,
Speaker 2: including her sort of endorsement package, was about fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 4: No, do you think that they flew her business clothes.
Speaker 4: I think they.
Speaker 5: Flew our own jet I reckon. And in addition to
Speaker 5: that besties event, there are also rumors that Megan will
Speaker 5: appear as a guest on the herb Life podcast, which
Speaker 5: was initially launched and co hosted by Jackie O and jemmay' neils.
Speaker 5: So there's clearly it's possible. There's some little sprinklings that
Speaker 5: Jackie and Megan are going to be hanging out.
Speaker 4: That's my vibe.
Speaker 3: And look, you can't be hanging out with Kyle. If
Speaker 3: you're hanging out with Begs.
Speaker 5: He'll say something, he'll say something effective.
Speaker 6: Both of them come from problematic institutions. After the break
Speaker 6: Love Story, everyone's favorite guilty pleasure TV show of the
Speaker 6: moment just got a little bit more guilty. And we
Speaker 6: check in on the beckhams now My favorite TV show
Speaker 6: at the moment is one that Holly.
Speaker 4: Does not approve of. It's called Love Story on Disney Plus.
Speaker 6: And it tells the story of how the nineteen nineties
Speaker 6: most eligible bachelor, John F. Kennedy Junior fell in love
Speaker 6: with Style Carolyn Bassett. It's not just Holly that disapproves
Speaker 6: of my love for this show. An article did the
Speaker 6: rounds of every single group chat I am in this weekend,
Speaker 6: and it made me actually start to wonder if I
Speaker 6: should still be watching. It made me start to wonder
Speaker 6: if Holly had a point. It's a piece of The
Speaker 6: New York Times by JFK. Junior's ex girlfriend, Daryl Hannah.
Speaker 6: Now Hannah was, for the younger listeners an eighties and
Speaker 6: nineties movie star. She was a mermaid in Splash alongside
Speaker 6: Tom Hanks. She was in Steel Magnolia's with Julia Roberts.
Speaker 4: She was a big.
Speaker 6: Deal actor and she also happened to date JFK. Junior
Speaker 6: for five years at the peak of her fame.
Speaker 3: He dated a lot of famous women, right Amelia, he did.
Speaker 6: He dated Sarah Jessica Parker as well Donna Yep, yep.
Speaker 4: He loved him.
Speaker 6: A big personality blonde Hannah is portrayed in a very
Speaker 6: unsympathetic light in this mini series. She's shown to be
Speaker 6: very sort of grasping, fame hungry. At one point, she
Speaker 6: even hosts this like drug fueled party at the apartment
Speaker 6: that she shares with JFK Junior before he has a
Speaker 6: very busy day at work the next day.
Speaker 4: The article that Daryl wrote.
Speaker 6: Over the weekend is called how can love Story get
Speaker 6: away with this? And she makes what I think is
Speaker 6: a very powerful point. She says that Daryl Hannah in
Speaker 6: this show bears no resemblance to the real Daryl Hannah.
Speaker 6: For instance, she says, I've never pressured anyone into marriage.
Speaker 6: I have never used cocaine in my life or hosted
Speaker 6: cocaine field parties. I never compared Jacqueline Onassis's death to
Speaker 6: a dog's and so on. And this all kind of
Speaker 6: culminates in the argument that this crazy ex girlfriend that
Speaker 6: is betrayed on screen is just textbook misogyny. Holly, have
Speaker 6: you just been saying I told you so this whole time?
Speaker 3: To be clear, I am also watching this show. I
Speaker 3: love it. I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 2: A bit more of a slow burn for me, but
Speaker 2: now I'm in But I remember saying to you a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, I can't believe that Daryl Hannah
Speaker 2: would be happy about the way she did portrayed, because
Speaker 2: they really make her out to be awful.
Speaker 3: And I kind of wondered when I.
Speaker 2: Read this, I thought, why didn't they just kind of
Speaker 2: fictionalize her, because we don't We don't really know if
Speaker 2: they've nailed the personalities of anyone else in there.
Speaker 3: Either.
Speaker 2: There's a I heard you and me are talking about
Speaker 2: the show the other day and there's this awful scene
Speaker 2: where jackieo Nasis is drunk and dancing with an old
Speaker 2: portrait of JFK.
Speaker 3: And light falls over on a couch and I was just.
Speaker 8: Like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know the woman is long gone, but still.
Speaker 2: The stefamation, terrible dancing and singing involved. But imagine that
Speaker 2: your ex. I mean, and I know that this is
Speaker 2: all complicated by the tragedy that came afterwards, but imagine
Speaker 2: you were being portrayed through the eyes of your egg.
Speaker 4: Regardless of who your ex was. If your ex got
Speaker 4: to write the story of your.
Speaker 2: Brain, how they would portray you and how mortifying it
Speaker 2: would be. And also because Daryl Hannah has been a
Speaker 2: very private person now for decades and we don't really
Speaker 2: know whether that's her choice or not. We know that
Speaker 2: she does some animal activism, she's I think she's married
Speaker 2: to Neil Young or so.
Speaker 6: She is, and she's done a lot of significant environmental
Speaker 6: activism as well.
Speaker 2: But she hasn't chosen to be a big celebrity. And
Speaker 2: so imagine that a whole new generation is learning about
Speaker 2: you and who you are through this deeply unflattering portrayal.
Speaker 3: I would be furious. I think this show. I'm enjoying it,
Speaker 3: but it's very trashy.
Speaker 5: Claire.
Speaker 6: What would your least favorite ex say about you?
Speaker 5: I do not want to know, Well, I will. I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't really have like exes exes because I've been
Speaker 5: with my husband, but even my husband on a bad day,
Speaker 5: what he mind say about me? I don't want to know.
Speaker 5: The piece by Daryl Hannah about this in the New
Speaker 5: York Times great, It was brilliant. It was so good,
Speaker 5: and I thought it was a really clever way to
Speaker 5: come back at this because she sort of shows that,
Speaker 5: you know, it's always been the idea that if you're
Speaker 5: quiet and dignified, something will blow over. The point that
Speaker 5: she makes is that the nature of media has changed,
Speaker 5: and she references in the piece that Jackie on Nassus
Speaker 5: gave her the advice that once the paper's done, it
Speaker 5: becomes scrap.
Speaker 6: It's so cleverly done because she opens the piece with
Speaker 6: the advice from Jacqueline Nassus that basically whatever is published
Speaker 6: about you eventually becomes the lining of bird cages. So
Speaker 6: in that first sentence, she's like, I've had chats with
Speaker 6: Jackie Nassus, let me tell you how it really was.
Speaker 5: And they are not the ones in the show, but
Speaker 5: she says that it's really different with the Internet. And
Speaker 5: this is something I have been thinking about for years
Speaker 5: and years and years, and it's sort of why I
Speaker 5: wrote my book, because I'm obsessed with the idea of
Speaker 5: the stickiness of the Internet and what a human being
Speaker 5: is meant to do when your reputation is permanently damaged online.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter what Daryl Hannah does from now until
Speaker 5: pev that myth of her is still going to exist,
Speaker 5: and she can write all the defenses that she wants,
Speaker 5: and she's on TikTok now good honor, getting on TikTok. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: she made a TikTok to like push to the New
Speaker 5: York times pace. She's running around in the snow, and
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter kind of how much she challenges it,
Speaker 5: although I think it does matter. It creates a counter narrative,
Speaker 5: but there are always going to be people who missed
Speaker 5: the New York Times piece and only watched Love Story
Speaker 5: then have that idea in it.
Speaker 2: I also particularly liked her point that as a simple
Speaker 2: narrative device for the new girlfriend to be the one
Speaker 2: he marries, the perfect one, he marries blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: even though all evidence suggests their relationship was as rocky
Speaker 2: as any relationship, the ex.
Speaker 3: Girlfriend has to have been bad. That's the narrative that
Speaker 3: we want. We want to go.
Speaker 2: Everyone has the person who's right for them, and you
Speaker 2: date the people who are wrong for you. It wouldn't
Speaker 2: matter who Daryl Hannah was. She had to be wrong,
Speaker 2: she had to be grasping, she had to be a
Speaker 2: bit of an idiot because Carolyn Bissett has to be
Speaker 2: the perfect person. And it is a lazy narrative, and
Speaker 2: as she says, it's also misogynistic. It's like good woman badness,
Speaker 2: and life is much more complicated than that. Unfortunately, that
Speaker 2: complication doesn't do so well in a seven part drama
Speaker 2: on Disney.
Speaker 6: And there's another layer in it too, which is I
Speaker 6: discover while I was researching for this that Hannah was
Speaker 6: diagnosed with autism as a child and in her adult
Speaker 6: life she has spoken a lot about how it led
Speaker 6: that diagnosis led her into acting, and it also affects
Speaker 6: her decision to very much retreat from the public eye.
Speaker 6: So while she's been in big movies in the last
Speaker 6: few years, she was in Kill Bill, for instance, she
Speaker 6: has made this very conscious decision that she does not
Speaker 6: want to put herself out there for scrutiny in public.
Speaker 6: She finds it very anxiety inducing and very difficult. And
Speaker 6: the idea that someone who is ner a divergent and
Speaker 6: who has struggled with how to present themselves in the
Speaker 6: public eye because of it, is getting the double whammy
Speaker 6: of this like inaccurate portrayal. It really made me feel
Speaker 6: ashamed for liking the show.
Speaker 3: Could she sue The.
Speaker 6: Answer is basically no, because someone's tried to do that before.
Speaker 6: Ryan Murphy was sued in twenty seventeen by Olivia de Haviland,
Speaker 6: who was like an old Hollywood start who accused him
Speaker 6: of a false betrayal in the show Feud, remember that
Speaker 6: show few that was also a big kid. Actually, the
Speaker 6: case was dismissed because in the US, the First Amendment
Speaker 6: really gives you a lot of leeway in terms of
Speaker 6: artistic expression and freedom of speech. So there is a
Speaker 6: precedent that says, basically, the best you can do is
Speaker 6: hop on TikTok.
Speaker 5: Wow, gosh, that's so depressing.
Speaker 6: Now I do have to bring a very important second
Speaker 6: piece as celebrity news to the Conversation. The headline is
Speaker 6: the Beckhams just can't help themselves. Last week it was
Speaker 6: Brooklyn Beckham's twenty seventh birthday.
Speaker 4: And against his express wishes, so.
Speaker 6: David and Lady Victoria both posted birthday wishes accompanied by
Speaker 6: photos of Brooklyn as a child with his parents. Claire,
Speaker 6: how can we take these people's phone away from that?
Speaker 5: I can't believe it. And my favorite thing about this
Speaker 5: story is the earnestness with which people approach it. And
Speaker 5: it's a generational thing, like if your Victoria and David's generation,
Speaker 5: generally you are on their side. And there are a
Speaker 5: lot of people saying bless them choosing to love in
Speaker 5: spite of all he said, And I'm like, you don't
Speaker 5: know anything about the blood like it's a post on Instagram.
Speaker 5: I think because I have always a little bit been
Speaker 5: on Brookie side. I've got a soft spot for book
Speaker 5: and Beckham always have, I reckon this is actually evidence
Speaker 5: of exactly what he was saying, that there's a very
Speaker 5: performative aspect to the relationship.
Speaker 6: He literally said brand Beckham comes first, adding that family
Speaker 6: love is decided by how much you post on social media.
Speaker 3: I absolutely love that they did this.
Speaker 4: Why did they do it? Holly?
Speaker 2: The touch that is particularly delicious and awful about this
Speaker 2: is that.
Speaker 3: David Beckham even says happy birthday, bust love you. I
Speaker 3: didn't even know that was Brooklyn's nickname.
Speaker 2: So I've now learned something new about Brooklyn Bacon from
Speaker 2: the parents that he has ganged from sharing anything about him.
Speaker 4: Ever.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting because last time we talked about this,
Speaker 2: and we talked about whether or not families should express
Speaker 2: their love by saying happy birthday to each other on Instagram,
Speaker 2: a lot of people said that is how everybody expresses
Speaker 2: their love these days, like it doesn't. It doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you don't love your family. In fact, that's where a
Speaker 2: whole generation expressed a happy birthday, darling, love you, sisters, friends,
Speaker 2: everybody does it. So I don't think there's anything sinister
Speaker 2: about that or that it shows that you don't love them.
Speaker 4: How about.
Speaker 3: What it does show is.
Speaker 2: That they do not care for Brooklyn's cease and desist
Speaker 2: and that they're like, you will not stop us. We
Speaker 2: will keep marching on because I think that they probably
Speaker 2: think if we let that date slip by. I tell
Speaker 2: you what, Nicola Peltz did not let that slip by.
Speaker 2: She had a lot of posts about Brookie on that day.
Speaker 2: Then they would be seen to be walking away from him.
Speaker 2: And they're not going to They're not going to back
Speaker 2: down without a fight. They are going to wait that
Speaker 2: marriage out. That's what those two are going to do.
Speaker 5: I tell you what you can It's all about image.
Speaker 5: It's oh gosh, I find it.
Speaker 6: My big takeaway from this episode is that I really
Speaker 6: should have become a lawyer.
Speaker 4: I know lawyers like good job lawyers.
Speaker 6: Every story seems to come back to them and how
Speaker 6: rich are about to be?
Speaker 5: Yeah, the problem is I wouldn't be able to specialize
Speaker 5: because I'd want to be in every kind of lawyer.
Speaker 5: So I'd want to be a Daryl Hanna a lawyer,
Speaker 5: and then I'd also want to be Rookie Beckham lawyer
Speaker 5: and a radio lawyer.
Speaker 2: Imagine the payday on the lawyer on the lawyers for
Speaker 2: our friends Kyle and Jacket.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think needs a lawyer. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: He does the.
Speaker 5: Ballet dancers Yeah, Oh my god, they seem ligious.
Speaker 6: I think to have a dance off cheaper out louders.
Speaker 3: Gosh.
Speaker 2: We've covered a lot of ground, I know, from little
Speaker 2: baby twinnies to Brooklyn Becka's.
Speaker 4: It's been such a journey you really have.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I hope you're having a wonderful Monday.
Speaker 3: Thank you, as.
Speaker 2: Always to our incredible team for putting this show together
Speaker 2: for us.
Speaker 3: We're going to be back in your ears on Wednesday.
Speaker 3: Bye bye, Mamma.
Speaker 2: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which
Speaker 2: we have recorded this podcast.