WEBVTT - Beckham, Meghan & Jessie's Hospital Voice Note 0:00:08.234 --> 0:00:10.914 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:15.954 --> 0:00:19.314 Hello and welcome to another week, and welcome to Mama 0:00:19.354 --> 0:00:21.714 Mia out Loud. It's what women are actually talking about 0:00:21.754 --> 0:00:23.194 on Monday, the ninth of March. 0:00:23.234 --> 0:00:25.754 I'm Holly wayIn Wright, I'm Klaire Stevens. 0:00:25.314 --> 0:00:26.394 And I'm Amelia Lester. 0:00:26.714 --> 0:00:28.874 And here are some things that have made our agenda 0:00:28.914 --> 0:00:33.114 for today. Why Megan, the Duchess of jam might be 0:00:33.234 --> 0:00:36.034 standing next to you in a Sydney coffee queue next 0:00:36.074 --> 0:00:39.194 month and what that has to do with the unfolding 0:00:39.314 --> 0:00:41.833 multimillion dollar drama of Kyle. 0:00:41.593 --> 0:00:44.913 And Jackia, plus the act of subtle rebellion that has 0:00:44.994 --> 0:00:47.833 everyone talking about the Iranian women's soccer team. 0:00:48.513 --> 0:00:51.873 And look, my favorite show is Love Story, but Daryl 0:00:51.954 --> 0:00:54.713 Hannah says I have to stop watching it, So we're 0:00:54.754 --> 0:00:57.074 going to talk about why. And you know, we just 0:00:57.234 --> 0:01:00.754 had to check in on the latest Brooklyn Beckham drama. 0:01:01.154 --> 0:01:02.993 I just had a little laugh at the beginning of 0:01:02.994 --> 0:01:05.354 that sentence out louders because off Mike, we've. 0:01:05.194 --> 0:01:07.554 Just rousing Amelia abount that show. 0:01:07.754 --> 0:01:08.514 We shall get to. 0:01:08.474 --> 0:01:12.914 That, but first, before we get started, we know that 0:01:12.994 --> 0:01:16.914 there is one out Loud host that you have all 0:01:16.954 --> 0:01:20.514 been dying to hear from, so welcome to our table 0:01:20.714 --> 0:01:23.474 remotely one Jesse Stevens. 0:01:23.794 --> 0:01:28.554 Hello, This is Jesse from the other side of pregnancy 0:01:29.314 --> 0:01:32.114 luc who is also here John. Hello, Hi, We are 0:01:32.194 --> 0:01:35.514 driving to the hospital. We've just dropped Luna at her 0:01:35.914 --> 0:01:36.634 little Chuck here. 0:01:37.474 --> 0:01:38.114 There is so. 0:01:38.274 --> 0:01:40.914 Much I want to debrief on with the outlouders. There 0:01:40.954 --> 0:01:47.194 is so much that has happened since early last Saturday morning. 0:01:48.234 --> 0:01:55.274 Enormous shock, my waters broke, and from there it was 0:01:55.514 --> 0:02:03.794 an absolute whirlwind. And on early Monday morning we welcomed 0:02:04.594 --> 0:02:09.154 Harry and Margo into the world. They are tiny, but 0:02:09.353 --> 0:02:15.154 they are healthy, is the headline. They needed some snorkels 0:02:15.234 --> 0:02:18.234 to help them breathe to start with, and they were 0:02:18.234 --> 0:02:20.594 in Nikou for a good week and now they've been 0:02:20.674 --> 0:02:21.994 moved to special care. 0:02:22.034 --> 0:02:22.994 As the latest update. 0:02:23.634 --> 0:02:28.834 We are in this bizarre period of limbo where I 0:02:28.954 --> 0:02:30.794 was saying to Holly, everyone tells you when you have 0:02:30.874 --> 0:02:34.034 twins or when you're expecting, your hands are going to 0:02:34.034 --> 0:02:37.234 be so full, or you'll have your hands full, and 0:02:38.194 --> 0:02:41.314 our hands when we're not at the hospital are empty. 0:02:41.394 --> 0:02:48.474 And it's really discombobulating and weird and heartbreaking. But there 0:02:48.474 --> 0:02:51.834 are moments of absolute beauty and joy in it. You know, 0:02:51.834 --> 0:02:54.314 I didn't get to hold Harry for hours and hours 0:02:54.354 --> 0:02:57.954 after he was born, but the second I got to 0:02:57.954 --> 0:03:02.754 see him at hold him was so special. So lots 0:03:02.794 --> 0:03:05.114 to tell you a big story coming. I would love 0:03:05.154 --> 0:03:07.434 to tell you the story this week where trying to 0:03:07.434 --> 0:03:09.314 get a little routine going with being in the hospital 0:03:09.314 --> 0:03:13.114 and balancing it all with lunar and everything. But I 0:03:13.314 --> 0:03:15.953 just want to thank everyone who has reached out, and 0:03:16.194 --> 0:03:18.034 the people who have reached out with their own stories 0:03:18.074 --> 0:03:21.954 of NIKU and special care. Really obviously to say, but 0:03:22.194 --> 0:03:22.754 you don't get. 0:03:22.674 --> 0:03:23.394 It till you get it. 0:03:23.754 --> 0:03:26.554 I had absolutely no idea what that would be like, 0:03:27.674 --> 0:03:30.194 sending so much love to anyone who has ever gone 0:03:30.194 --> 0:03:35.514 through that or is currently going through it. It is a headfuck, 0:03:35.754 --> 0:03:39.634 a total headfuck. Anyway, we are in in the hard bit, 0:03:39.954 --> 0:03:42.714 and we are falling more and more in love with 0:03:42.754 --> 0:03:44.794 these babies every single day, and we know just how 0:03:44.834 --> 0:03:48.514 lucky we are to have them cared for so well. Luca, 0:03:48.554 --> 0:03:50.474 did you want to say anything? I have no idea 0:03:50.514 --> 0:03:54.474 what I just said, and I like my brain I've 0:03:54.514 --> 0:03:56.674 been saying that even when I like write down the 0:03:56.754 --> 0:04:01.634 express milk date. I'm like, it's the fortieth of November today, 0:04:01.834 --> 0:04:04.394 So I don't know anything that I just said, any corrections. 0:04:04.954 --> 0:04:05.874 I wasn't listening. 0:04:06.114 --> 0:04:09.714 Okay, cool, all right, love that, talk to you soon, 0:04:09.794 --> 0:04:11.234 out Louders. Bye. 0:04:11.834 --> 0:04:12.154 Sorry. 0:04:12.154 --> 0:04:13.954 There's one extra thing that the out louders are going 0:04:14.034 --> 0:04:18.234 to really care about, and that is the snacks. I 0:04:18.234 --> 0:04:21.194 can't believe I didn't acknowledge that before Mike and Harry. 0:04:21.394 --> 0:04:25.794 As we all know, I no longer have diabetes now. Unfortunately, 0:04:25.873 --> 0:04:28.033 my app site is just not where I need it 0:04:28.073 --> 0:04:31.433 to be in order to fully enjoy all of the snacks. 0:04:31.474 --> 0:04:34.313 I have been indulging in Cadbury Easter eggs. I have 0:04:34.393 --> 0:04:37.474 had a smoothie. Last night we went back to burgers 0:04:37.474 --> 0:04:39.393 and chips. What else have I been enjoying? 0:04:39.753 --> 0:04:41.914 You really really did have a good crack at your 0:04:41.914 --> 0:04:42.593 burger and chips. 0:04:43.873 --> 0:04:50.714 Oh yeah I did. It was just all gone, It 0:04:50.753 --> 0:04:53.993 was all gone. That's just been lovely. Yeah, I've been 0:04:54.354 --> 0:04:56.753 I've been really enjoying that. Thanks so much for your 0:04:56.753 --> 0:04:58.194 support out Louders during. 0:05:00.073 --> 0:05:00.633 Champagne. 0:05:01.193 --> 0:05:04.553 Oh I have I have. That's been lovely. But I'm 0:05:04.594 --> 0:05:08.794 looking forward to continuing to eat too much sugar for 0:05:08.834 --> 0:05:10.753 the rest of my life. 0:05:11.313 --> 0:05:14.433 Oh my gosh, if anyone's knew here, that was of 0:05:14.474 --> 0:05:18.993 course Jesse Stevens, who is one of our beloved toasts 0:05:19.034 --> 0:05:20.633 here are out Loud Clare. 0:05:20.714 --> 0:05:21.914 She's also your sister. 0:05:22.393 --> 0:05:25.113 Yes, what do you want to add to that amazing 0:05:25.193 --> 0:05:26.313 update from your twin? 0:05:26.873 --> 0:05:30.113 So it has been a bit of a roller coaster week. 0:05:30.433 --> 0:05:33.633 Every now and then Jesse will say I'm feeling very emotional. 0:05:33.714 --> 0:05:34.794 I think something's. 0:05:34.433 --> 0:05:37.553 Wrong, and I'm like, no, I think that is totally 0:05:37.594 --> 0:05:39.914 healthy and normal. And so there have been a few 0:05:39.914 --> 0:05:44.394 times where I feel like things emotionally haven't hit her 0:05:44.513 --> 0:05:46.674 yet and they'll hit me, but I'm like, I just 0:05:46.753 --> 0:05:49.713 won't say anything until it hits her. But I did 0:05:49.753 --> 0:05:51.194 think it was funny that a lot of the out 0:05:51.193 --> 0:05:53.873 Louders when Jesse posted a photo of Harry and Margo 0:05:53.953 --> 0:05:56.794 and introduce them, a lot of out Louders weren't wearing 0:05:56.834 --> 0:05:59.634 their glasses and so there was a lot of confusion 0:05:59.674 --> 0:06:02.794 misinterpretation around what that post was. But my favorite was 0:06:02.834 --> 0:06:05.433 the out Louders who for sure thought that she had 0:06:05.633 --> 0:06:09.474 named her babies Harry and Meghan, which. 0:06:08.953 --> 0:06:11.713 She's really Jesse Stevens, I love you, but you have 0:06:11.834 --> 0:06:12.553 missed a trick. 0:06:12.953 --> 0:06:16.034 Yeah, yeah, that would have been so fun. That would 0:06:16.073 --> 0:06:17.234 have been really fun. 0:06:18.073 --> 0:06:19.154 Have you been in there a lot? 0:06:19.234 --> 0:06:19.433 Have you? 0:06:19.474 --> 0:06:22.354 Being Auntie? I mean you're pregnant yourself, there is a 0:06:22.393 --> 0:06:26.514 lot of hormones and anxiety inducing things flying around and 0:06:26.513 --> 0:06:28.954 I'm sure, but have you been in there giving them 0:06:28.953 --> 0:06:30.113 a little squeeze when you can? 0:06:30.313 --> 0:06:30.553 Yes? 0:06:30.834 --> 0:06:33.713 Some might say too much. I have threatened to steal 0:06:33.834 --> 0:06:36.674 They've been given a swipe card for the NIKU Special 0:06:36.674 --> 0:06:39.794 Care area. I have threatened to steal it and turn 0:06:39.914 --> 0:06:42.714 up because the nurses a few times have thought I'm Jesse. 0:06:43.073 --> 0:06:46.234 And I'm like that, Yeah, that would be lovely. 0:06:46.594 --> 0:06:49.593 I'd come and just like have some cuddles, smuggle them 0:06:49.594 --> 0:06:52.473 out in my handbag. The cords will be a dead giveaway. 0:06:52.953 --> 0:06:57.513 But no, I'm completely besotted with them. They're so little. 0:06:57.513 --> 0:07:00.834 And it's weird because I was tiny. 0:07:00.474 --> 0:07:01.113 When I was born. 0:07:01.154 --> 0:07:03.873 I was growth restricted thanks to this person, you guys 0:07:03.953 --> 0:07:07.753 might know, Jesse. She had all my nutrients. So I 0:07:07.914 --> 0:07:10.754 look at Margo and I was the exact same size 0:07:10.914 --> 0:07:13.273 she was when I was born, and I'm like, Wow, 0:07:13.354 --> 0:07:15.273 Mum and Dad weren't lying when they said I could 0:07:15.274 --> 0:07:17.074 fit in the palm of their hand and all that 0:07:17.114 --> 0:07:23.474 stuff Nicki nurses. Just holy Molly, are there kinder people 0:07:23.594 --> 0:07:28.874 there are listening to these women the hope and the 0:07:28.953 --> 0:07:33.754 support and the kindness and the gentleness that they exude. 0:07:34.274 --> 0:07:37.674 I am in complete awe. I'm obsessed. And that's what 0:07:37.754 --> 0:07:40.674 everybody says. Nicki is actually quite a magical place. 0:07:41.154 --> 0:07:43.154 We just want to send all our love, of course 0:07:43.234 --> 0:07:46.354 to our Jesse and our Margot and our Harry and 0:07:46.393 --> 0:07:49.473 our Luna, but also to anyone out there who is 0:07:49.514 --> 0:07:52.393 going through this. As Jesse says out louders are so 0:07:52.594 --> 0:07:55.474 awesome with their wishes. And you can hear more about 0:07:55.474 --> 0:07:59.273 this from another member of this family tomorrow's Subscribe episode. 0:07:59.314 --> 0:08:02.393 I believe that one Nana Mia Friedman, I'm just gonna 0:08:02.393 --> 0:08:05.194 call her Nana Nana to annoy it more, is going 0:08:05.274 --> 0:08:06.914 to kind of give a bit of her side of 0:08:06.953 --> 0:08:08.554 the update of the grand babies. 0:08:08.634 --> 0:08:10.234 Yeah, sending Jesse lots of love. 0:08:10.393 --> 0:08:12.754 My favorite part of this whole thing was when Maya 0:08:12.834 --> 0:08:16.074 first entered the Niku, stood next to a baby, started 0:08:16.114 --> 0:08:18.554 crying and had to be told that it's not your 0:08:18.834 --> 0:08:20.953 that's not a baby that's related. 0:08:20.754 --> 0:08:22.273 Not related to that baby. 0:08:22.434 --> 0:08:24.794 And she became really attached to that baby, and I 0:08:24.834 --> 0:08:27.273 was like, that is the most Maya Friedman thing's ever happened. 0:08:27.314 --> 0:08:30.274 So if you're that baby's mother, I'm sorry me are 0:08:30.314 --> 0:08:31.594 imprinted on that child? 0:08:33.194 --> 0:08:35.114 Okay, back to business. 0:08:35.394 --> 0:08:39.514 I need to talk to you both about my friend Timothy. 0:08:40.834 --> 0:08:42.154 One week today is the Oscars. 0:08:42.394 --> 0:08:45.954 Mister Challamay has made no secret of the fact he 0:08:46.074 --> 0:08:50.714 really really wants that award for Marty Supreme. He's banged 0:08:50.714 --> 0:08:54.314 on about it a lot. Luckily for him, perhaps Oscar 0:08:54.434 --> 0:08:58.674 voting closed on Thursday night last week, oh, five pm, Thursday, 0:08:58.834 --> 0:09:02.314 LA time, right, because things were looking a bit shaky 0:09:02.354 --> 0:09:05.194 for him anyway on this front for a few reasons. 0:09:05.514 --> 0:09:09.354 But if Oscar's had closed after he'd said this, which 0:09:09.394 --> 0:09:12.274 we're about to play you, I have a feeling his 0:09:12.394 --> 0:09:15.594 hopes would be even lower. So Timothy Challamau was being 0:09:15.634 --> 0:09:18.714 interviewed for Variety magazine. Matthew McConaughey is sitting next to him. 0:09:18.714 --> 0:09:22.074 It's one of those round tably things. So in this interview, 0:09:22.394 --> 0:09:25.474 he was talking about whether people should be protecting cinemas. 0:09:25.514 --> 0:09:27.594 You know how there's this big debate going on about like. 0:09:27.874 --> 0:09:30.074 Everybody should go to the movies to watch a movie. 0:09:30.194 --> 0:09:33.594 He weighs in on that and manages to put a great, 0:09:33.594 --> 0:09:35.554 big dancing shoe in the center. 0:09:35.314 --> 0:09:35.994 Of that argument. 0:09:36.314 --> 0:09:37.914 I admire people, and I've done it myself. Do you 0:09:37.954 --> 0:09:38.953 want to talk to you about? Hey, we got to 0:09:38.994 --> 0:09:41.194 keep movie theaters alive, you know, we got to keep 0:09:41.234 --> 0:09:43.634 this genre alive. And another part of me feels like 0:09:44.274 --> 0:09:46.474 if people want to see it like Barbie, like Oppenheimer, 0:09:46.474 --> 0:09:47.554 they're going to go see it and go out of 0:09:47.554 --> 0:09:49.434 their way and be loud and proud about it. And 0:09:49.514 --> 0:09:51.714 I don't want to be working in ballet or opera 0:09:52.194 --> 0:09:54.034 or you know, things where it's like, hey, keep this 0:09:54.114 --> 0:09:56.914 thing alive even though no one cares about this year 0:09:57.194 --> 0:09:59.314 all respect to the ballet and opera people out there, 0:10:00.314 --> 0:10:02.274 I just lost fourteen cents in viewership. 0:10:04.594 --> 0:10:08.114 I have a feeling you can imagine how that went 0:10:08.194 --> 0:10:11.034 down with the ballet and opera community. 0:10:11.194 --> 0:10:13.874 What you can't see in that clip is Matthew McConaughey 0:10:14.034 --> 0:10:17.634 sitting next to him, just thinking like you are digging 0:10:17.714 --> 0:10:22.354 yourself a hole, mate. When Matthew McConaughey knows that, yeah, 0:10:23.354 --> 0:10:23.754 that's true. 0:10:23.994 --> 0:10:27.754 Famously, the naked bongo playing He's famously. 0:10:27.274 --> 0:10:29.234 Easy going, and even he looks nervous. 0:10:29.314 --> 0:10:32.274 It does because what has happened since that little video 0:10:32.354 --> 0:10:35.834 went viral is ballet dances all over the world have 0:10:35.874 --> 0:10:39.194 played Timothy shallow May their number one enemy. There have 0:10:39.314 --> 0:10:42.794 been operas that are offering discount code for tickets with 0:10:42.834 --> 0:10:46.074 the word Timothy. There have been ballet dancers like performing 0:10:46.074 --> 0:10:47.914 these amazing stunts on their tiptoes. 0:10:48.514 --> 0:10:50.874 I want to make them angry. Has anyone seen black Swan? 0:10:51.074 --> 0:10:55.234 I know, I know the particularly mad about the no 0:10:55.274 --> 0:10:57.754 one cares comment, Claire. 0:10:57.794 --> 0:10:59.874 Has he scuppered his chances? Yes? 0:11:00.154 --> 0:11:03.554 And okay, really dumb question. Did he win at the 0:11:03.594 --> 0:11:04.434 other awards? 0:11:04.634 --> 0:11:06.474 So he won some of them, but he didn't win 0:11:06.514 --> 0:11:08.754 the most recent one. So he did he won a 0:11:08.754 --> 0:11:10.874 Golden Globe. You know, the run up to the Oscars, 0:11:10.914 --> 0:11:13.714 there's a series of awards and usually it kind of 0:11:13.714 --> 0:11:17.634 builds momentum, and his momentum early was good. But in 0:11:17.674 --> 0:11:20.074 the last two awards ceremonies is dropped off a bit. 0:11:20.474 --> 0:11:23.274 And I think that maybe enthusiasm for Timothy and a 0:11:23.274 --> 0:11:26.234 few other things like the surge for sinners, for example, 0:11:26.314 --> 0:11:30.034 Michael B. Jordan one at the Bafters. My prediction is 0:11:30.074 --> 0:11:32.234 he's going to be disappointed on Monday. But I also 0:11:32.274 --> 0:11:35.874 think that after this comment, Timothy's dollar has sung. 0:11:36.234 --> 0:11:40.314 It's now also the thing where he said a stupid thing, 0:11:40.994 --> 0:11:43.674 which there's such a thing as doing too many interviews 0:11:43.954 --> 0:11:46.394 and then you just have too much opportunity to say things. 0:11:46.594 --> 0:11:48.674 So I can almost see how he said this and 0:11:48.714 --> 0:11:51.194 where he was coming from. But it was a really 0:11:51.234 --> 0:11:52.554 dumb thing to say, because. 0:11:52.354 --> 0:11:54.994 Those are very privileged, high falutint arts that it costs 0:11:54.994 --> 0:11:56.394 a lot of money to go and see them, which 0:11:56.394 --> 0:11:57.994 is why it's a bit of a weird comparison to 0:11:58.314 --> 0:12:02.314 although multiplex tickets aren't cheap days the price. 0:12:02.074 --> 0:12:03.194 Of popcorns, I know. 0:12:03.914 --> 0:12:06.594 But the funny thing is that once you say something 0:12:06.634 --> 0:12:08.074 like that, then you've got a target on your back, 0:12:08.074 --> 0:12:11.514 and then everybody goes through your whole career and likes 0:12:11.554 --> 0:12:14.114 to pull things out. So my favorite little tidbit that 0:12:14.194 --> 0:12:16.794 has come out in the last few days is the 0:12:16.834 --> 0:12:22.234 revelation that during filming for Wonka, Chalomay's private chef was 0:12:22.274 --> 0:12:25.954 required to prepare three different breakfasts, of which Chalameai would 0:12:25.994 --> 0:12:29.154 only have one. Bless him, I had done so much. 0:12:29.354 --> 0:12:30.914 He hasn't addressed the breakfast room. 0:12:30.954 --> 0:12:32.994 It be real, we would do the same thing. 0:12:33.194 --> 0:12:33.394 I know. 0:12:33.474 --> 0:12:35.154 Actually, I don't know what I feel like. 0:12:35.234 --> 0:12:36.674 I never know if I want sweet or save for 0:12:36.754 --> 0:12:39.953 it until I get to it exactly. I also love 0:12:40.034 --> 0:12:42.434 that he was called to his high school principal's office. 0:12:42.514 --> 0:12:43.194 Did you see this? 0:12:43.354 --> 0:12:46.274 He went to this very prestigious school called LaGuardia High 0:12:46.274 --> 0:12:49.354 School of Music and Art in New York, and Principal 0:12:49.434 --> 0:12:52.434 Mahwah at that school wrote on Instagram over the weekend 0:12:52.474 --> 0:12:54.994 that he wasn't mad at Timmy, he was just disappointed. 0:12:55.474 --> 0:12:56.874 He said, LaGuardia, we do. 0:12:56.874 --> 0:13:00.034 Not rank art forms. You come from this world. We 0:13:00.154 --> 0:13:02.634 know your heart and we know you know better. And 0:13:02.674 --> 0:13:07.394 I learned from this Instagram post that Timmy himself his 0:13:07.474 --> 0:13:10.514 grandmother danced at the New York City Ballet, his mother 0:13:10.674 --> 0:13:12.714 danced at the New York City Ballet, and his sister 0:13:12.834 --> 0:13:14.234 danced at the New York City Ballet. 0:13:14.354 --> 0:13:15.794 So what is he doing? 0:13:16.394 --> 0:13:16.754 God? 0:13:16.914 --> 0:13:19.274 I also think that we don't have the patience for 0:13:19.354 --> 0:13:21.074 long award campaigns anymore. 0:13:21.114 --> 0:13:22.514 We've all moved on to Harry Styles. 0:13:22.554 --> 0:13:25.034 Like our favorite skinny white guy at the moment is 0:13:25.074 --> 0:13:27.794 Harry Styles, and we're like Timothy, who can we give 0:13:27.834 --> 0:13:28.953 the Oscar Harry styles? 0:13:28.954 --> 0:13:31.714 And he was wearing his darn orange in that interview too. 0:13:32.474 --> 0:13:35.874 I think he may have revealed himself as Kylie Jenner's boyfriend. 0:13:38.074 --> 0:13:38.794 That's rude of me. 0:13:38.834 --> 0:13:44.834 But last Monday, in the wake of increasing conflict in 0:13:44.874 --> 0:13:47.714 the Middle East, the Iranian women's soccer team took the 0:13:47.754 --> 0:13:50.794 field for their Asian Cup match against South Korea on 0:13:50.874 --> 0:13:54.994 the Gold Coast. What happened next went viral. The team 0:13:55.114 --> 0:13:59.634 stayed silent during their country's national anthem, staring ahead, some 0:13:59.714 --> 0:14:02.434 of them with subtle smiles on their faces, and it 0:14:02.554 --> 0:14:06.674 was widely interpreted as a subtle act of resistance against 0:14:06.714 --> 0:14:11.274 the islam Republic. In the days afterwards, they were labeled 0:14:11.314 --> 0:14:17.674 as wartime traders by Iranian state television. Radical conservative presenter 0:14:17.874 --> 0:14:21.554 Mohammad Rezat Shabazi called for the squad and the coach 0:14:21.754 --> 0:14:25.834 to be dealt with more severely under what's believed to 0:14:25.874 --> 0:14:29.754 be suspected instruction from their security. The team then did 0:14:29.794 --> 0:14:33.314 sing their national anthem before their match against Australia on 0:14:33.434 --> 0:14:38.114 Friday and their match against the Philippines on Sunday. What 0:14:38.194 --> 0:14:41.834 is terrifying is that there are now grave concerns for 0:14:41.914 --> 0:14:45.354 the team as they prepare to head home, and we're 0:14:45.474 --> 0:14:51.394 really seeing how this conflict is reaching Iranian people all 0:14:51.434 --> 0:14:54.434 over the world. We had a an out louder called 0:14:54.474 --> 0:14:58.994 Motti reach out and chat about this particular story and 0:14:59.074 --> 0:15:03.954 how much it was meaning to her. Holly, what do 0:15:04.034 --> 0:15:07.954 we know about the current situation with this football team. 0:15:08.234 --> 0:15:11.554 So the thing is is the Iranian team of now 0:15:11.754 --> 0:15:13.874 are now out of the tournament, so they've lost their 0:15:13.914 --> 0:15:17.554 three games, and so they should be going home. They 0:15:17.594 --> 0:15:20.154 should be going back to Tehran. It hasn't been confirmed 0:15:20.154 --> 0:15:22.994 whether or not they have or are. But last night 0:15:23.474 --> 0:15:25.994 when they lost their last match and they got on 0:15:26.074 --> 0:15:28.474 the bus to leave the stadium where they were playing, 0:15:28.914 --> 0:15:32.394 a lot of protests had gathered around them, waving flags 0:15:32.434 --> 0:15:37.794 from pre Islamic regime revolution in Iran, expressing grave fears 0:15:37.794 --> 0:15:41.314 for these women's safety, pressuring the Australian government to give 0:15:41.354 --> 0:15:44.874 offer them asylum. The thing that's complicated here is that 0:15:45.114 --> 0:15:49.194 they are, as you've said, Claire, they're traveling with government officials, 0:15:49.594 --> 0:15:53.234 so they are under surveillance, and nobody wants to add 0:15:53.354 --> 0:15:57.074 any danger to what these women are doing and going through. 0:15:57.194 --> 0:16:00.994 It's a very quickly evolving situation because people. A spokesperson 0:16:01.034 --> 0:16:03.554 for Amnesty International, for example, says that at this point 0:16:03.594 --> 0:16:06.074 this team is kind of damned if they do and 0:16:06.154 --> 0:16:09.074 damned if they don't. Want it comes to returning to Iran, 0:16:09.194 --> 0:16:11.594 because if they're seen as being traders and they go back, 0:16:11.634 --> 0:16:13.914 they could be punished, as per what they report on 0:16:13.954 --> 0:16:16.754 the state television said, who explicitly called for an example 0:16:16.794 --> 0:16:18.274 to be set by these women. 0:16:18.754 --> 0:16:20.194 But then if they don't, their. 0:16:19.994 --> 0:16:23.474 Families could be targets back at home. So it's incredibly difficult. 0:16:23.634 --> 0:16:26.874 It's just worth noting. I think watching this, you know, 0:16:26.954 --> 0:16:29.514 I was watching the Matildas play them on the weekend. 0:16:29.634 --> 0:16:34.354 I think the women's bravery is outstanding because Iran doesn't 0:16:34.354 --> 0:16:37.354 field a women's team in this way necessarily because the 0:16:37.354 --> 0:16:42.354 regime wants to more because FIFA insists that a women's 0:16:42.394 --> 0:16:45.754 team must be fielded if a man's team is being fielded. 0:16:45.834 --> 0:16:47.874 Right in many areas in the Middle East, just like 0:16:47.874 --> 0:16:50.194 in many places all around the world, soccer football is 0:16:50.234 --> 0:16:53.394 a huge, huge sport, and women playing it has been 0:16:53.434 --> 0:16:57.194 really controversial at different times in Iran, as it has 0:16:57.234 --> 0:16:58.634 in other parts of the world. There have been times 0:16:58.634 --> 0:17:00.954 women have been banned from entering stadiums. There have been 0:17:00.994 --> 0:17:03.594 times when they've been banned from playing it Publicly, that's 0:17:03.634 --> 0:17:06.273 not the case at the moment, but the amount of 0:17:06.273 --> 0:17:09.314 pressure that these women in orunda is enormous and it's 0:17:09.394 --> 0:17:12.394 just a reminder that sport can be so much more 0:17:12.434 --> 0:17:16.634 than sport, and women's sport in particular can be incredibly important. 0:17:16.674 --> 0:17:18.874 Sam Kerr was talking about playing the Iranians and obviously 0:17:18.954 --> 0:17:21.354 they beat them in the game on the weekend, but 0:17:21.634 --> 0:17:25.553 how impressed and in awe of their strength and composure 0:17:25.754 --> 0:17:27.994 the Australian team were, and how they wanted the world 0:17:27.994 --> 0:17:29.394 to know they had their arm around them. 0:17:29.834 --> 0:17:31.794 It's a really difficult situation. 0:17:32.154 --> 0:17:34.914 They're just so brave. It's hard to know what to say. 0:17:34.994 --> 0:17:37.714 I can't imagine having to get together and make that 0:17:37.754 --> 0:17:40.714 sort of decision as a team. It's so moving to 0:17:40.754 --> 0:17:43.714 me that they all agree to do the same thing together. 0:17:44.034 --> 0:17:47.474 A petition has been handed to the Albanese government mutually 0:17:47.594 --> 0:17:51.834 to Tony Burke, pushing for asylum, but as I said earlier, 0:17:51.994 --> 0:17:54.474 there's some complexities around that too, and Penny Wong at 0:17:54.474 --> 0:17:56.594 the time of recording, has just said that she stands 0:17:56.634 --> 0:17:59.273 with the women's team, whatever that means. 0:17:59.514 --> 0:18:03.273 There are rules around protecting I'm not sure if they 0:18:03.314 --> 0:18:08.434 come from FIFA or if they come from the Asian 0:18:08.594 --> 0:18:12.154 Cup itself, around protecting athletes who are in danger. So 0:18:12.194 --> 0:18:16.234 I found that really fascinating that there's an obligation to 0:18:16.314 --> 0:18:20.194 protect them if they are at risk upon returning home. 0:18:20.594 --> 0:18:22.714 The other thing I was just thinking about was there 0:18:22.754 --> 0:18:26.274 was a really horrible news story over the weekend about 0:18:26.274 --> 0:18:29.834 basically a hot mic moment where a women's sport team, 0:18:30.114 --> 0:18:34.474 at women's AFL team was practicing in Victoria and some 0:18:34.554 --> 0:18:36.474 men who were watching the game, who I believe were 0:18:36.514 --> 0:18:40.874 involved in a coaching capacity, made some really appalling comments 0:18:41.034 --> 0:18:46.154 about the physical shape of the women playing AFL, and 0:18:46.234 --> 0:18:48.793 I guess that just made me reflect these two events 0:18:48.914 --> 0:18:51.434 in contrast to each other. It made me think about 0:18:51.514 --> 0:18:54.273 how what you said, Holly is so true that sport 0:18:54.434 --> 0:18:58.114 can be more than sport, and the possibility of women 0:18:58.234 --> 0:19:01.874 competing on the world stage in sport and using their 0:19:01.914 --> 0:19:04.954 bodies to compete in that way can be such a 0:19:04.954 --> 0:19:08.074 powerful political statement in itself, and we shouldn't be patting 0:19:08.074 --> 0:19:10.394 ourselves on the back in Australia and pretending that we 0:19:10.434 --> 0:19:15.074 don't have issues with treating women athletes differently from male athletes, 0:19:15.354 --> 0:19:19.554 because we still do on Amelia And when I read 0:19:19.554 --> 0:19:22.513 those comments, I mean, there was so disgusting and out 0:19:22.554 --> 0:19:25.234 loud as well know, my daughter plays AFL and it's 0:19:25.354 --> 0:19:30.954 so upsetting to understand that those attitudes exist, but also that. 0:19:31.154 --> 0:19:34.553 Women just playing sport it can be a powerful political statement. 0:19:34.634 --> 0:19:37.513 But also why should it have to be, you know, 0:19:37.594 --> 0:19:40.994 when women and girls just want to play the game 0:19:41.074 --> 0:19:43.954 and get an enormous amount of satisfaction and empowerment from 0:19:43.994 --> 0:19:47.594 doing it. And yet somehow, even here, when I read 0:19:47.594 --> 0:19:50.154 that new story, it's like sort of dragged back down 0:19:50.274 --> 0:19:53.114 to some kind of political statement. 0:19:53.354 --> 0:19:54.114 You're so right. 0:19:54.274 --> 0:19:56.594 It came also on the heels of last week my 0:19:56.874 --> 0:19:59.793 daughter got the opportunity to go on the field at 0:19:59.834 --> 0:20:03.394 the Sydney Cricket Ground for the Swan's opening match at 0:20:03.394 --> 0:20:06.033 halftime and kick the ball around a little bit with 0:20:06.114 --> 0:20:09.874 her very cute team mixed team of boys and girls 0:20:09.994 --> 0:20:12.834 playing AFL for the first or second time in their lives. 0:20:13.274 --> 0:20:15.474 It made me tear up a little bit because you're 0:20:15.514 --> 0:20:18.074 so right, it shouldn't have to be a political statement 0:20:18.354 --> 0:20:19.793 for girls to play sport. 0:20:20.034 --> 0:20:22.234 To play up next. 0:20:22.594 --> 0:20:25.513 What does Kyle and Jackie O's feud have to do 0:20:25.594 --> 0:20:27.714