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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to another week, and welcome to Mama

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Speaker 2: Mia out Loud. It's what women are actually talking about

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Speaker 2: on Monday, the ninth of March.

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Speaker 3: I'm Holly wayIn Wright, I'm Klaire Stevens.

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Speaker 4: And I'm Amelia Lester.

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Speaker 2: And here are some things that have made our agenda

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Speaker 2: for today. Why Megan, the Duchess of jam might be

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Speaker 2: standing next to you in a Sydney coffee queue next

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Speaker 2: month and what that has to do with the unfolding

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Speaker 2: multimillion dollar drama of Kyle.

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Speaker 5: And Jackia, plus the act of subtle rebellion that has

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Speaker 5: everyone talking about the Iranian women's soccer team.

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Speaker 6: And look, my favorite show is Love Story, but Daryl

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Speaker 6: Hannah says I have to stop watching it, So we're

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Speaker 6: going to talk about why. And you know, we just

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Speaker 6: had to check in on the latest Brooklyn Beckham drama.

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Speaker 2: I just had a little laugh at the beginning of

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Speaker 2: that sentence out louders because off Mike, we've.

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Speaker 3: Just rousing Amelia abount that show.

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Speaker 4: We shall get to.

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Speaker 2: That, but first, before we get started, we know that

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Speaker 2: there is one out Loud host that you have all

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Speaker 2: been dying to hear from, so welcome to our table

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Speaker 2: remotely one Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 5: Hello, This is Jesse from the other side of pregnancy

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Speaker 5: luc who is also here John. Hello, Hi, We are

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Speaker 5: driving to the hospital. We've just dropped Luna at her

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Speaker 5: little Chuck here.

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Speaker 4: There is so.

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Speaker 5: Much I want to debrief on with the outlouders. There

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Speaker 5: is so much that has happened since early last Saturday morning.

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Speaker 5: Enormous shock, my waters broke, and from there it was

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Speaker 5: an absolute whirlwind. And on early Monday morning we welcomed

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Speaker 5: Harry and Margo into the world. They are tiny, but

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Speaker 5: they are healthy, is the headline. They needed some snorkels

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Speaker 5: to help them breathe to start with, and they were

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Speaker 5: in Nikou for a good week and now they've been

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Speaker 5: moved to special care.

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Speaker 4: As the latest update.

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Speaker 5: We are in this bizarre period of limbo where I

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Speaker 5: was saying to Holly, everyone tells you when you have

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Speaker 5: twins or when you're expecting, your hands are going to

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Speaker 5: be so full, or you'll have your hands full, and

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Speaker 5: our hands when we're not at the hospital are empty.

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Speaker 5: And it's really discombobulating and weird and heartbreaking. But there

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Speaker 5: are moments of absolute beauty and joy in it. You know,

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Speaker 5: I didn't get to hold Harry for hours and hours

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Speaker 5: after he was born, but the second I got to

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Speaker 5: see him at hold him was so special. So lots

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Speaker 5: to tell you a big story coming. I would love

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Speaker 5: to tell you the story this week where trying to

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Speaker 5: get a little routine going with being in the hospital

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Speaker 5: and balancing it all with lunar and everything. But I

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Speaker 5: just want to thank everyone who has reached out, and

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Speaker 5: the people who have reached out with their own stories

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Speaker 5: of NIKU and special care. Really obviously to say, but

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Speaker 5: you don't get.

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Speaker 4: It till you get it.

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Speaker 5: I had absolutely no idea what that would be like,

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Speaker 5: sending so much love to anyone who has ever gone

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Speaker 5: through that or is currently going through it. It is a headfuck,

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Speaker 5: a total headfuck. Anyway, we are in in the hard bit,

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Speaker 5: and we are falling more and more in love with

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Speaker 5: these babies every single day, and we know just how

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Speaker 5: lucky we are to have them cared for so well. Luca,

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Speaker 5: did you want to say anything? I have no idea

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Speaker 5: what I just said, and I like my brain I've

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Speaker 5: express milk date. I'm like, it's the fortieth of November today,

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Speaker 5: So I don't know anything that I just said, any corrections.

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Speaker 5: Okay, cool, all right, love that, talk to you soon,

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Speaker 5: out Louders. Bye.

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Speaker 3: Sorry.

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Speaker 5: There's one extra thing that the out louders are going

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Speaker 5: to really care about, and that is the snacks. I

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Speaker 5: can't believe I didn't acknowledge that before Mike and Harry.

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Speaker 5: As we all know, I no longer have diabetes now. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: my app site is just not where I need it

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Speaker 5: to be in order to fully enjoy all of the snacks.

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Speaker 5: I have been indulging in Cadbury Easter eggs. I have

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Speaker 5: had a smoothie. Last night we went back to burgers

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Speaker 5: and chips. What else have I been enjoying?

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Speaker 2: You really really did have a good crack at your

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah I did. It was just all gone, It

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Speaker 5: I've been really enjoying that. Thanks so much for your

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Speaker 5: Oh I have I have. That's been lovely. But I'm

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Speaker 5: looking forward to continuing to eat too much sugar for

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, if anyone's knew here, that was of

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Speaker 2: course Jesse Stevens, who is one of our beloved toasts

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Speaker 2: here are out Loud Clare.

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Speaker 3: She's also your sister.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what do you want to add to that amazing

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Speaker 2: update from your twin?

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Speaker 5: So it has been a bit of a roller coaster week.

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Speaker 5: Every now and then Jesse will say I'm feeling very emotional.

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Speaker 4: I think something's.

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Speaker 5: Wrong, and I'm like, no, I think that is totally

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Speaker 5: healthy and normal. And so there have been a few

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Speaker 5: won't say anything until it hits her. But I did

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Speaker 5: think it was funny that a lot of the out

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Speaker 5: and introduce them, a lot of out Louders weren't wearing

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Speaker 5: their glasses and so there was a lot of confusion

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Speaker 5: misinterpretation around what that post was. But my favorite was

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Speaker 5: the out Louders who for sure thought that she had

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Speaker 5: named her babies Harry and Meghan, which.

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Speaker 2: She's really Jesse Stevens, I love you, but you have

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Speaker 2: missed a trick.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that would have been so fun. That would

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Speaker 3: Have you been in there a lot?

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Speaker 8: Have you?

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Speaker 2: Being Auntie? I mean you're pregnant yourself, there is a

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, but have you been in there giving them

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Speaker 5: Some might say too much. I have threatened to steal

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Speaker 5: They've been given a swipe card for the NIKU Special

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Speaker 3: And I'm like that, Yeah, that would be lovely.

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Speaker 5: I'd come and just like have some cuddles, smuggle them

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Speaker 5: But no, I'm completely besotted with them. They're so little.

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Speaker 5: I was growth restricted thanks to this person, you guys

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Speaker 5: she was when I was born, and I'm like, Wow,

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Speaker 5: Mum and Dad weren't lying when they said I could

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Speaker 5: stuff Nicki nurses. Just holy Molly, are there kinder people

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Speaker 5: support and the kindness and the gentleness that they exude.

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Speaker 5: I am in complete awe. I'm obsessed. And that's what

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Speaker 5: everybody says. Nicki is actually quite a magical place.

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Speaker 2: We just want to send all our love, of course

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Speaker 2: going through this. As Jesse says out louders are so

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Speaker 2: awesome with their wishes. And you can hear more about

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Speaker 2: this from another member of this family tomorrow's Subscribe episode.

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Speaker 2: I believe that one Nana Mia Friedman, I'm just gonna

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Speaker 2: call her Nana Nana to annoy it more, is going

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Speaker 2: the update of the grand babies.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sending Jesse lots of love.

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Speaker 5: My favorite part of this whole thing was when Maya

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Speaker 5: that's not a baby that's related.

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Speaker 3: Not related to that baby.

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Speaker 5: And she became really attached to that baby, and I

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Speaker 5: So if you're that baby's mother, I'm sorry me are

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Speaker 5: imprinted on that child?

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Speaker 2: I need to talk to you both about my friend Timothy.

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Speaker 3: One week today is the Oscars.

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Speaker 2: Mister Challamay has made no secret of the fact he

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Speaker 2: really really wants that award for Marty Supreme. He's banged

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Speaker 2: on about it a lot. Luckily for him, perhaps Oscar

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Speaker 2: But if Oscar's had closed after he'd said this, which

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Speaker 2: hopes would be even lower. So Timothy Challamau was being

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Speaker 2: It's one of those round tably things. So in this interview,

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Speaker 2: he was talking about whether people should be protecting cinemas.

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Speaker 2: You know how there's this big debate going on about like.

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Speaker 3: Everybody should go to the movies to watch a movie.

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Speaker 2: He weighs in on that and manages to put a great,

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Speaker 3: Of that argument.

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Speaker 8: I admire people, and I've done it myself. Do you

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Speaker 8: want to talk to you about? Hey, we got to

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Speaker 8: keep movie theaters alive, you know, we got to keep

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Speaker 8: if people want to see it like Barbie, like Oppenheimer,

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Speaker 8: their way and be loud and proud about it. And

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Speaker 8: I don't want to be working in ballet or opera

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Speaker 8: or you know, things where it's like, hey, keep this

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Speaker 8: all respect to the ballet and opera people out there,

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Speaker 8: I just lost fourteen cents in viewership.

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Speaker 2: I have a feeling you can imagine how that went

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Speaker 2: down with the ballet and opera community.

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Speaker 6: What you can't see in that clip is Matthew McConaughey

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Speaker 6: sitting next to him, just thinking like you are digging

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Speaker 6: yourself a hole, mate. When Matthew McConaughey knows that, yeah,

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Speaker 6: that's true.

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Speaker 3: Famously, the naked bongo playing He's famously.

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Speaker 4: Easy going, and even he looks nervous.

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Speaker 2: It does because what has happened since that little video

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Speaker 2: went viral is ballet dances all over the world have

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Speaker 2: played Timothy shallow May their number one enemy. There have

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Speaker 2: been operas that are offering discount code for tickets with

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Speaker 2: the word Timothy. There have been ballet dancers like performing

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Speaker 2: these amazing stunts on their tiptoes.

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Speaker 4: I want to make them angry. Has anyone seen black Swan?

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Speaker 2: I know, I know the particularly mad about the no

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Speaker 2: one cares comment, Claire.

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Speaker 3: Has he scuppered his chances? Yes?

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Speaker 5: And okay, really dumb question. Did he win at the

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Speaker 5: other awards?

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Speaker 2: So he won some of them, but he didn't win

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Speaker 2: A petition has been handed to the Albanese government mutually

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Speaker 2: Women just playing sport it can be a powerful political statement.

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Speaker 4: You're so right.

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Speaker 5: What does Kyle and Jackie O's feud have to do

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Speaker 5: There's a few curious updates to the very juicy story.

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Speaker 5: Henderson said she was deeply saddened by the events of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, including me. I think he's talking to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know a story that was, like today, a

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Speaker 2: And the point I was kind of trying to make

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Speaker 2: limit to how much shit you can take before you snap.

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Speaker 2: And I think what Jackie's clearly pointing out is like

441
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Speaker 2: she did not snap. Snap is the wrong word. It

442
00:22:47,634 --> 00:22:49,674
Speaker 2: sounds derogatory, like she couldn't hack it or something. I

443
00:22:49,674 --> 00:22:52,154
Speaker 2: don't mean that. I mean she's making a very clear point.

444
00:22:52,634 --> 00:22:55,273
Speaker 2: I wasn't quitting. I was just saying this is untenable.

445
00:22:55,714 --> 00:22:58,034
Speaker 2: And there's a good legal reason for making that point too,

446
00:22:58,194 --> 00:23:00,994
Speaker 2: because if you're under contract and you quit, it's very

447
00:23:01,034 --> 00:23:03,914
Speaker 2: different from if you're under contract and things end for

448
00:23:03,914 --> 00:23:04,954
Speaker 2: another reason.

449
00:23:04,914 --> 00:23:07,674
Speaker 5: Because when you go back and look at the original

450
00:23:07,714 --> 00:23:11,513
Speaker 5: statement from ARN, which we read out on Wednesday's episode,

451
00:23:11,594 --> 00:23:15,114
Speaker 5: it says Jacqueline Henderson has given notice that she cannot

452
00:23:15,114 --> 00:23:19,594
Speaker 5: continue to work with mister Kyle Sandlands, and ARN has

453
00:23:19,674 --> 00:23:23,994
Speaker 5: terminated the services agreement with Henderson under which she presents

454
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Speaker 5: the Kyle and Jackie O Show. Now, it's also been

455
00:23:26,874 --> 00:23:32,474
Speaker 5: reported that behind the scenes, she has said that she

456
00:23:32,994 --> 00:23:37,634
Speaker 5: felt unsafe in that workplace. So, as you say, Holly,

457
00:23:38,074 --> 00:23:42,474
Speaker 5: there is a very specific legal difference. What did you

458
00:23:42,554 --> 00:23:49,474
Speaker 5: think of the commentary that perhaps she's been complicit in

459
00:23:49,554 --> 00:23:55,034
Speaker 5: an environment with Kyle that has been misogynistic and perhaps

460
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Speaker 5: contributed to other women feeling unsafe.

461
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Speaker 2: Yes, and just obviously where this is going to end

462
00:24:00,914 --> 00:24:04,513
Speaker 2: up is in two enormous legal cases, so everybody is

463
00:24:04,554 --> 00:24:07,074
Speaker 2: going to be careful about what they say, myself included.

464
00:24:07,714 --> 00:24:10,074
Speaker 2: But that commentary is just what out louders and every

465
00:24:10,074 --> 00:24:11,834
Speaker 2: woman who reads Mama mir has been saying for a

466
00:24:11,834 --> 00:24:15,674
Speaker 2: long time, which is very much a divided audience. Carl

467
00:24:15,714 --> 00:24:18,394
Speaker 2: and Jackie, Oh, just for context, have this enormous audience

468
00:24:18,394 --> 00:24:21,434
Speaker 2: one point five million listeners in Sydney alone, right, And

469
00:24:21,474 --> 00:24:24,234
Speaker 2: there are millennial women, including ones who work in this office,

470
00:24:24,234 --> 00:24:26,234
Speaker 2: who have been listening to them for decades and who

471
00:24:26,274 --> 00:24:29,314
Speaker 2: are genuinely sad that that shows finished because they're kind

472
00:24:29,314 --> 00:24:31,274
Speaker 2: of like in the same way that some people would

473
00:24:31,274 --> 00:24:34,434
Speaker 2: say maths is their guilty pleasure in inverted commas, they'd say,

474
00:24:34,434 --> 00:24:36,594
Speaker 2: I've grown up with Kyl and Jackie. That is part

475
00:24:36,634 --> 00:24:38,834
Speaker 2: of my day, and I'm really sad that they're over right,

476
00:24:39,554 --> 00:24:42,154
Speaker 2: But there are a lot of people who always have

477
00:24:42,274 --> 00:24:44,074
Speaker 2: been very uncomfortable with that show.

478
00:24:44,194 --> 00:24:45,754
Speaker 3: It's not news to anyone.

479
00:24:45,874 --> 00:24:48,634
Speaker 2: And it's interesting about how you feel about the woman

480
00:24:48,674 --> 00:24:51,674
Speaker 2: who sits next to the man. Some people have always

481
00:24:51,714 --> 00:24:53,874
Speaker 2: seen her as well. She's got agencies to do what

482
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Speaker 2: she wants. She's the highest paid media worker basically in Australia,

483
00:24:58,714 --> 00:25:01,194
Speaker 2: good on you girl, make the money, and others have

484
00:25:01,234 --> 00:25:05,634
Speaker 2: always said that she was complicit. Virginia Trioli, very experienced

485
00:25:05,674 --> 00:25:10,234
Speaker 2: and respected broadcast wise woman of all kinds, spoke to

486
00:25:10,274 --> 00:25:13,793
Speaker 2: Hamish McDonald on ABC Radio on Friday about this and

487
00:25:13,794 --> 00:25:14,714
Speaker 2: this is what she said.

488
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Speaker 1: He had a collaborator in Jackie O. And that collaborator

489
00:25:19,074 --> 00:25:22,634
Speaker 1: who smiled and laughed prettily at all the appalling jokes

490
00:25:22,674 --> 00:25:27,354
Speaker 1: and troducing of women and insulting of women and degrading

491
00:25:27,354 --> 00:25:30,034
Speaker 1: of women that he was doing. She took the money

492
00:25:30,034 --> 00:25:33,714
Speaker 1: and happily collaborated in that. So I feel for her

493
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Speaker 1: if she feels that her workplace is uncertain.

494
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Speaker 7: I can hear where you're landing on the gender question

495
00:25:38,714 --> 00:25:43,273
Speaker 7: here right this reading really interesting pieces about you know,

496
00:25:43,314 --> 00:25:46,194
Speaker 7: whether Jackie O is sort of victim or collaborator here

497
00:25:46,274 --> 00:25:51,194
Speaker 7: or both which both nuanced. That's kind of trickier territory

498
00:25:51,194 --> 00:25:51,914
Speaker 7: for us to sit in.

499
00:25:52,274 --> 00:25:54,674
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you choose to be the collaborator,

500
00:25:54,714 --> 00:25:56,874
Speaker 1: you'll probably end up being the victim at some point.

501
00:25:56,994 --> 00:25:59,314
Speaker 1: And I think I don't want to make this personal,

502
00:25:59,354 --> 00:26:02,434
Speaker 1: but there is such a thing as personal responsibility. And

503
00:26:02,474 --> 00:26:05,154
Speaker 1: if you're prepared to take that cash in order to

504
00:26:05,194 --> 00:26:07,914
Speaker 1: make that kind of radio, then you might expect this

505
00:26:07,954 --> 00:26:09,234
Speaker 1: someday it might come for you.

506
00:26:09,714 --> 00:26:12,394
Speaker 6: That point you made Holly the woman who sits next

507
00:26:12,394 --> 00:26:14,954
Speaker 6: to the man, And I think that's what Virginia Trioli

508
00:26:15,034 --> 00:26:17,354
Speaker 6: is getting out when she uses the word collaborate as well.

509
00:26:17,674 --> 00:26:24,314
Speaker 6: It's almost like Jackie made what Kyle was saying feel okay. Well,

510
00:26:24,354 --> 00:26:26,594
Speaker 6: there's a woman sitting next to him and she's laughing,

511
00:26:26,754 --> 00:26:29,273
Speaker 6: so it must be okay. It kind of not just

512
00:26:29,314 --> 00:26:31,994
Speaker 6: softens the blow, but kind of makes it more palatable

513
00:26:31,994 --> 00:26:35,354
Speaker 6: for people. I was thinking about that time a journalist

514
00:26:35,394 --> 00:26:39,274
Speaker 6: gave him an unfavorable review. Jacqueline mainly talked about this

515
00:26:39,394 --> 00:26:43,074
Speaker 6: incident in her column over the weekend, and he described

516
00:26:43,154 --> 00:26:45,474
Speaker 6: the journalist, who us, of course a woman, as a

517
00:26:45,514 --> 00:26:48,194
Speaker 6: piece of shit and a fat slag. Now I'm sorry

518
00:26:48,194 --> 00:26:50,034
Speaker 6: to even say those words on the air, but I

519
00:26:50,074 --> 00:26:53,314
Speaker 6: think it's important that we reference it. And then Jackie's

520
00:26:53,354 --> 00:26:56,474
Speaker 6: response to that was that she laughed, and she pointed

521
00:26:56,514 --> 00:26:58,874
Speaker 6: out to listeners that there was a photo of the

522
00:26:58,954 --> 00:27:02,194
Speaker 6: journalist in the article in case they were interested in

523
00:27:02,274 --> 00:27:02,954
Speaker 6: having a look.

524
00:27:04,714 --> 00:27:08,154
Speaker 2: It's interesting because I think I got a couple of

525
00:27:08,154 --> 00:27:10,793
Speaker 2: messages after I wrote that story last week about the

526
00:27:10,834 --> 00:27:13,714
Speaker 2: woman who walks away from one hundred million, because the

527
00:27:13,754 --> 00:27:15,714
Speaker 2: way I set that up was like, how long can

528
00:27:15,794 --> 00:27:18,513
Speaker 2: you put up with a difficult man? And one of

529
00:27:18,594 --> 00:27:20,994
Speaker 2: the points I kind of made is that there's something

530
00:27:21,274 --> 00:27:27,074
Speaker 2: sometimes about a powerful misogynist who aims his vitriol at

531
00:27:27,154 --> 00:27:30,634
Speaker 2: other women but keeps some women close. And I got

532
00:27:30,674 --> 00:27:32,754
Speaker 2: a few messages from women who feel that they've been

533
00:27:32,794 --> 00:27:35,914
Speaker 2: in work relationships like that, or even relationships like that

534
00:27:36,514 --> 00:27:40,794
Speaker 2: where you're on the inside or almost at the table.

535
00:27:40,994 --> 00:27:43,434
Speaker 3: And so you're like, well, he doesn't hate all women.

536
00:27:43,474 --> 00:27:46,194
Speaker 2: And when I say this, I'm not specifically talking about

537
00:27:46,274 --> 00:27:49,674
Speaker 2: Kyle Jackio. I'm being broader. But you can say he

538
00:27:49,714 --> 00:27:51,914
Speaker 2: doesn't hate all women because he's nice to me, right,

539
00:27:52,154 --> 00:27:55,234
Speaker 2: And that's something that women who have been conditioned for

540
00:27:55,274 --> 00:27:57,754
Speaker 2: a long time to scrap for their seat at a

541
00:27:57,794 --> 00:28:00,274
Speaker 2: powerful table or for a hefty paid packet or whatever

542
00:28:00,274 --> 00:28:03,553
Speaker 2: it is, that can be quite attractive. You're like, oh, so,

543
00:28:03,674 --> 00:28:06,034
Speaker 2: you know, I know people say horrible things about such

544
00:28:06,034 --> 00:28:09,274
Speaker 2: and such a boss, but he's always treated me well.

545
00:28:09,834 --> 00:28:12,674
Speaker 2: And then the point that Melee was making, and a

546
00:28:12,714 --> 00:28:15,314
Speaker 2: few others have made is that when that misogyny does

547
00:28:15,354 --> 00:28:17,553
Speaker 2: get turned around and named it you, it can be

548
00:28:17,674 --> 00:28:19,594
Speaker 2: very shocking. And that's what a few women were saying

549
00:28:19,594 --> 00:28:20,474
Speaker 2: to me and their messages.

550
00:28:20,674 --> 00:28:23,834
Speaker 4: Sometimes people even vote for men who act like.

551
00:28:23,754 --> 00:28:29,234
Speaker 6: That is a very good Sometimes not always, but sometimes.

552
00:28:28,834 --> 00:28:31,914
Speaker 5: I think that point that Virginia Tree only makes about

553
00:28:32,194 --> 00:28:35,114
Speaker 5: if you are a collaborator, you will become a victim

554
00:28:35,634 --> 00:28:38,474
Speaker 5: is just such a clever way of putting it, because

555
00:28:38,554 --> 00:28:41,514
Speaker 5: I did think last week and last week, you know,

556
00:28:41,554 --> 00:28:43,674
Speaker 5: we were still getting our heads around the story in

557
00:28:43,714 --> 00:28:46,554
Speaker 5: the segment and all of that, but listening to the segment,

558
00:28:47,034 --> 00:28:53,634
Speaker 5: it just is stark to hear Jackie being obviously it

559
00:28:53,714 --> 00:28:55,314
Speaker 5: was cruel, like Kyle was being cruel.

560
00:28:55,314 --> 00:28:55,794
Speaker 3: It was cruel.

561
00:28:55,914 --> 00:28:59,074
Speaker 5: Jackie was upset. You could hear how upset she was.

562
00:28:59,874 --> 00:29:02,074
Speaker 5: And as somebody who has listened, and I would like

563
00:29:02,114 --> 00:29:04,394
Speaker 5: to clarify because there were some comments in the Outluders group.

564
00:29:04,634 --> 00:29:07,394
Speaker 5: I am not a regular listener of Kylo, used to

565
00:29:07,434 --> 00:29:09,394
Speaker 5: catch it on my way to work, so I swear

566
00:29:09,634 --> 00:29:11,434
Speaker 5: it's okay, you're allowed.

567
00:29:11,274 --> 00:29:14,394
Speaker 3: Like we're not. You know, we're not the police here,

568
00:29:14,914 --> 00:29:15,394
Speaker 3: but I'm not.

569
00:29:15,594 --> 00:29:19,754
Speaker 5: I'm not some fan girl, but listening to that. There

570
00:29:19,834 --> 00:29:23,594
Speaker 5: was an element of wait a second, you've giggled when

571
00:29:23,714 --> 00:29:28,274
Speaker 5: he is throwing those kinds of attacks at other women,

572
00:29:29,114 --> 00:29:32,474
Speaker 5: and like, is it surprising that he would then come

573
00:29:32,514 --> 00:29:36,314
Speaker 5: for you. It's the thought of he's shown you that

574
00:29:36,354 --> 00:29:40,674
Speaker 5: he is disrespectful, will continue to go at something once

575
00:29:40,674 --> 00:29:43,594
Speaker 5: somebody has expressed that they're not okay, that he will

576
00:29:43,634 --> 00:29:45,714
Speaker 5: go after women's appearances their way.

577
00:29:45,874 --> 00:29:47,194
Speaker 4: What was the business model?

578
00:29:47,314 --> 00:29:49,914
Speaker 6: It's more than just an incidental thing that happened every

579
00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:50,354
Speaker 6: now and then.

580
00:29:50,434 --> 00:29:53,594
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was part of the appeal of this show exactly.

581
00:29:53,754 --> 00:29:56,114
Speaker 5: So it's interesting that when the cruelty has turned, and

582
00:29:56,154 --> 00:29:59,394
Speaker 5: it was cruelty, when the cruelty has turned, that a

583
00:29:59,394 --> 00:30:02,074
Speaker 5: lot of people are saying, hold on a second.

584
00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:04,834
Speaker 2: I think whatever happens that's going to be very interesting

585
00:30:04,874 --> 00:30:08,834
Speaker 2: because there is a lot of money, it's and obviously

586
00:30:08,874 --> 00:30:12,154
Speaker 2: there are lawyers drawn at all quarters. But there is

587
00:30:12,194 --> 00:30:15,434
Speaker 2: an interesting bit of gossip that's coming out here about

588
00:30:15,874 --> 00:30:18,674
Speaker 2: what maybe one of Jackie's next moves. Now we need

589
00:30:18,714 --> 00:30:21,274
Speaker 2: to be clear that that bit of this story isn't confirmed,

590
00:30:21,314 --> 00:30:23,034
Speaker 2: but there is some interesting news that has been confirmed.

591
00:30:23,074 --> 00:30:24,114
Speaker 2: Tell us about Meghan class.

592
00:30:24,194 --> 00:30:26,794
Speaker 5: Yes, so there's some gossip and I swear these things

593
00:30:26,794 --> 00:30:30,154
Speaker 5: are related. So, more than seven years after their last

594
00:30:30,234 --> 00:30:33,794
Speaker 5: visit to Australia, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are returning

595
00:30:34,194 --> 00:30:38,034
Speaker 5: in mid April. And why are they are going on

596
00:30:38,154 --> 00:30:42,634
Speaker 5: a number of private business and philanthropic engagement in Simmy

597
00:30:42,714 --> 00:30:43,514
Speaker 5: and Melbourne.

598
00:30:43,554 --> 00:30:45,514
Speaker 2: What does that mean? Doing?

599
00:30:46,514 --> 00:30:47,274
Speaker 5: No idea?

600
00:30:47,514 --> 00:30:49,514
Speaker 2: So, because they've just been in the Middle East, right,

601
00:30:49,554 --> 00:30:51,714
Speaker 2: So we've talked lots of times on this show about

602
00:30:51,714 --> 00:30:55,114
Speaker 2: whether or not Harry and Meg's can be like Royal Light, so,

603
00:30:55,274 --> 00:30:57,274
Speaker 2: you know, going on sort of royal tours that aren't

604
00:30:57,314 --> 00:30:59,314
Speaker 2: royal tours, and they've just been on one in the

605
00:30:59,354 --> 00:31:01,394
Speaker 2: Middle East, and they visited a refugee camp in Jordan,

606
00:31:01,474 --> 00:31:04,794
Speaker 2: and they've done all kinds of you know, serious philanthropic things.

607
00:31:05,154 --> 00:31:09,354
Speaker 2: But this private and business ventures, what's that all?

608
00:31:09,514 --> 00:31:11,914
Speaker 6: Well? At the same time, news just came out that

609
00:31:12,034 --> 00:31:17,154
Speaker 6: Netflix has essentially divorced itself from as ever Meghan's Edible

610
00:31:17,154 --> 00:31:21,194
Speaker 6: Flowers and Jam business, and Meghan says this was always

611
00:31:21,194 --> 00:31:23,994
Speaker 6: the plan. Her people said they always wanted to eventually

612
00:31:24,074 --> 00:31:25,714
Speaker 6: go their own way because it started off as a

613
00:31:25,754 --> 00:31:29,194
Speaker 6: joint venture with Netflix. They specifically said that what they

614
00:31:29,234 --> 00:31:31,394
Speaker 6: want to do now that as ever is an in

615
00:31:31,554 --> 00:31:35,914
Speaker 6: house operation only is start global shipping, including to Australia.

616
00:31:36,194 --> 00:31:39,154
Speaker 4: They have heard your please, Holy my god, that's.

617
00:31:38,994 --> 00:31:40,314
Speaker 3: What they're doing here, Claire.

618
00:31:40,714 --> 00:31:43,274
Speaker 5: Well, I wanted to say I was a little bit

619
00:31:43,314 --> 00:31:45,994
Speaker 5: surprised to hear that they were coming back, because something

620
00:31:46,034 --> 00:31:49,234
Speaker 5: I think about late at night is that so when

621
00:31:49,234 --> 00:31:52,394
Speaker 5: they were on their royal tour seven years ago, I

622
00:31:52,434 --> 00:31:54,794
Speaker 5: somehow got approval from my boss at the time, which

623
00:31:54,834 --> 00:31:58,674
Speaker 5: may or may not have been Hollywayen right to stand

624
00:31:58,754 --> 00:32:02,194
Speaker 5: at the opera house for six hours and wait to

625
00:32:02,234 --> 00:32:02,674
Speaker 5: meet them.

626
00:32:02,714 --> 00:32:03,794
Speaker 3: That was a hard day's work.

627
00:32:03,914 --> 00:32:06,874
Speaker 5: I don't see how that was like profitable for the business.

628
00:32:07,354 --> 00:32:09,714
Speaker 6: Can I admit, as a fan girl of this show

629
00:32:09,754 --> 00:32:13,834
Speaker 6: that Jesse was on this show immediately after she encountered

630
00:32:13,914 --> 00:32:17,474
Speaker 6: them there, and that's what began her her whole Royal

631
00:32:17,554 --> 00:32:19,434
Speaker 6: journey because she said that she loved them.

632
00:32:19,634 --> 00:32:22,474
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I have always been a staunch defender and

633
00:32:22,514 --> 00:32:25,994
Speaker 5: I have said no. Harry looked me straight in the eyes, Megan,

634
00:32:25,994 --> 00:32:28,394
Speaker 5: did I say congratulations on your pregnancy because I had

635
00:32:28,434 --> 00:32:31,554
Speaker 5: announced it that morning, Like I've defended them because my

636
00:32:31,594 --> 00:32:34,314
Speaker 5: beautiful interaction with them was simply lovely.

637
00:32:34,354 --> 00:32:35,674
Speaker 3: Are they going to walk about again.

638
00:32:35,994 --> 00:32:38,674
Speaker 5: I bloody hope so, and I will be out to

639
00:32:38,754 --> 00:32:42,114
Speaker 5: have a look because I think they're stunning. But Tina

640
00:32:42,234 --> 00:32:45,114
Speaker 5: Brown's book The Palace Papers, which was published in twenty

641
00:32:45,154 --> 00:32:48,194
Speaker 5: twenty two, said that they hated that loyal to her,

642
00:32:48,354 --> 00:32:50,434
Speaker 5: and it really made me rethink what I thought was.

643
00:32:50,434 --> 00:32:53,234
Speaker 3: A beautiful moment that was a good story about, because.

644
00:32:52,994 --> 00:32:55,754
Speaker 5: I thought I didn't want to wash my hand like

645
00:32:55,754 --> 00:32:59,074
Speaker 5: because I had touched that. I was thinking this was

646
00:32:59,114 --> 00:33:01,394
Speaker 5: such a special moment. It clearly wasn't for them. I

647
00:33:01,514 --> 00:33:05,874
Speaker 5: thought they hated Australia, but clearly it was just the

648
00:33:05,994 --> 00:33:09,234
Speaker 5: royalness that they hate. They didn't hate the country she hated.

649
00:33:09,274 --> 00:33:11,954
Speaker 2: I think Harry likes Australia. Australia's got a very Harry

650
00:33:12,034 --> 00:33:12,554
Speaker 2: vibe to.

651
00:33:12,554 --> 00:33:12,914
Speaker 3: It, right.

652
00:33:12,994 --> 00:33:14,954
Speaker 5: He has his friend Daphney.

653
00:33:15,074 --> 00:33:17,194
Speaker 3: He does a lady in the will she does.

654
00:33:17,234 --> 00:33:20,394
Speaker 2: But also the Royals obviously are here, have been here

655
00:33:20,434 --> 00:33:23,834
Speaker 2: plenty of times. But she didn't like the princessnes of

656
00:33:23,914 --> 00:33:26,194
Speaker 2: it all. So this time she can do what she wants.

657
00:33:26,234 --> 00:33:27,914
Speaker 3: Now. The interesting thing, and why this.

658
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Speaker 6: Is didn't she make banana bread when she went to

659
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Speaker 6: Government House?

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Speaker 4: I think she do remember that right.

661
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Speaker 2: I think she had a bit of koala cuddling and

662
00:33:36,074 --> 00:33:38,994
Speaker 2: all those things. But what's interesting, well how this links

663
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Speaker 2: back to our friends Kyle and Jackie Oh, is that

664
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Speaker 2: there are rumors, and these rumors are not confirmed, but

665
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Speaker 2: they were in news dot com over the weekend that

666
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Speaker 2: one of the things she might do is a big

667
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Speaker 2: event with Jackie and Jemma O'Neill's company, Bestie's. Right now,

668
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Speaker 2: Jackie has officially left that business, but there is rumors

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Speaker 2: written in the in news dot com that says that

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Speaker 2: just like they once bought Gwyneth Over, I'm like, oh

671
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Speaker 2: my god, they've.

672
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Speaker 3: Got all the same obsessions as me.

673
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Speaker 2: I know, just as they once bought Gwyneth Over and

674
00:34:06,834 --> 00:34:08,513
Speaker 2: people paid a lot of money to go and sit

675
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Speaker 2: in an arena with them, they might be doing that

676
00:34:10,634 --> 00:34:13,553
Speaker 2: with Megan now if that's true, and let's as I say,

677
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Speaker 2: not confirmed in any way, very interesting pivot from the

678
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Speaker 2: megs because good point Amelia that she might be launching

679
00:34:20,474 --> 00:34:22,594
Speaker 2: as ever here, which would be genius because we all

680
00:34:22,634 --> 00:34:28,354
Speaker 2: need the Rose stat but also high price speaking gigs

681
00:34:28,474 --> 00:34:31,594
Speaker 2: are a very lucrative stream for a sort of high

682
00:34:31,634 --> 00:34:34,674
Speaker 2: profile person who doesn't quite have a full time job anymore.

683
00:34:34,994 --> 00:34:37,433
Speaker 2: So recently obviously, we had Oprah out here, remember in

684
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Speaker 2: December she was out here for a weight loss medical company,

685
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Speaker 2: but not explicitly talking about that in any way. There

686
00:34:45,954 --> 00:34:48,634
Speaker 2: are rumors that the reported fee for that for OAPS,

687
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Speaker 2: including her sort of endorsement package, was about fifteen million dollars.

688
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Speaker 4: No, do you think that they flew her business clothes.

689
00:34:56,834 --> 00:34:57,594
Speaker 4: I think they.

690
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Speaker 5: Flew our own jet I reckon. And in addition to

691
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Speaker 5: that besties event, there are also rumors that Megan will

692
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Speaker 5: appear as a guest on the herb Life podcast, which

693
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Speaker 5: was initially launched and co hosted by Jackie O and jemmay' neils.

694
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Speaker 5: So there's clearly it's possible. There's some little sprinklings that

695
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Speaker 5: Jackie and Megan are going to be hanging out.

696
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Speaker 4: That's my vibe.

697
00:35:21,954 --> 00:35:24,473
Speaker 3: And look, you can't be hanging out with Kyle. If

698
00:35:24,514 --> 00:35:25,554
Speaker 3: you're hanging out with Begs.

699
00:35:25,874 --> 00:35:27,994
Speaker 5: He'll say something, he'll say something effective.

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Speaker 6: Both of them come from problematic institutions. After the break

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Speaker 6: Love Story, everyone's favorite guilty pleasure TV show of the

702
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Speaker 6: moment just got a little bit more guilty. And we

703
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Speaker 6: check in on the beckhams now My favorite TV show

704
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Speaker 6: at the moment is one that Holly.

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Speaker 4: Does not approve of. It's called Love Story on Disney Plus.

706
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Speaker 6: And it tells the story of how the nineteen nineties

707
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Speaker 6: most eligible bachelor, John F. Kennedy Junior fell in love

708
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Speaker 6: with Style Carolyn Bassett. It's not just Holly that disapproves

709
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Speaker 6: of my love for this show. An article did the

710
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Speaker 6: rounds of every single group chat I am in this weekend,

711
00:36:17,674 --> 00:36:19,914
Speaker 6: and it made me actually start to wonder if I

712
00:36:19,914 --> 00:36:21,953
Speaker 6: should still be watching. It made me start to wonder

713
00:36:21,954 --> 00:36:23,954
Speaker 6: if Holly had a point. It's a piece of The

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Speaker 6: New York Times by JFK. Junior's ex girlfriend, Daryl Hannah.

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Speaker 6: Now Hannah was, for the younger listeners an eighties and

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Speaker 6: nineties movie star. She was a mermaid in Splash alongside

717
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Speaker 6: Tom Hanks. She was in Steel Magnolia's with Julia Roberts.

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Speaker 4: She was a big.

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Speaker 6: Deal actor and she also happened to date JFK. Junior

720
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Speaker 6: for five years at the peak of her fame.

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Speaker 3: He dated a lot of famous women, right Amelia, he did.

722
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Speaker 6: He dated Sarah Jessica Parker as well Donna Yep, yep.

723
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Speaker 4: He loved him.

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Speaker 6: A big personality blonde Hannah is portrayed in a very

725
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Speaker 6: unsympathetic light in this mini series. She's shown to be

726
00:37:00,074 --> 00:37:03,754
Speaker 6: very sort of grasping, fame hungry. At one point, she

727
00:37:03,834 --> 00:37:06,994
Speaker 6: even hosts this like drug fueled party at the apartment

728
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Speaker 6: that she shares with JFK Junior before he has a

729
00:37:09,874 --> 00:37:11,433
Speaker 6: very busy day at work the next day.

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Speaker 4: The article that Daryl wrote.

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Speaker 6: Over the weekend is called how can love Story get

732
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Speaker 6: away with this? And she makes what I think is

733
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Speaker 6: a very powerful point. She says that Daryl Hannah in

734
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Speaker 6: this show bears no resemblance to the real Daryl Hannah.

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Speaker 6: For instance, she says, I've never pressured anyone into marriage.

736
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Speaker 6: I have never used cocaine in my life or hosted

737
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Speaker 6: cocaine field parties. I never compared Jacqueline Onassis's death to

738
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Speaker 6: a dog's and so on. And this all kind of

739
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Speaker 6: culminates in the argument that this crazy ex girlfriend that

740
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Speaker 6: is betrayed on screen is just textbook misogyny. Holly, have

741
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Speaker 6: you just been saying I told you so this whole time?

742
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Speaker 3: To be clear, I am also watching this show. I

743
00:37:56,634 --> 00:37:58,034
Speaker 3: love it. I'm really enjoying it.

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Speaker 2: A bit more of a slow burn for me, but

745
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Speaker 2: now I'm in But I remember saying to you a

746
00:38:02,354 --> 00:38:05,354
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, I can't believe that Daryl Hannah

747
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Speaker 2: would be happy about the way she did portrayed, because

748
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Speaker 2: they really make her out to be awful.

749
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Speaker 3: And I kind of wondered when I.

750
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Speaker 2: Read this, I thought, why didn't they just kind of

751
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Speaker 2: fictionalize her, because we don't We don't really know if

752
00:38:19,874 --> 00:38:22,393
Speaker 2: they've nailed the personalities of anyone else in there.

753
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Speaker 3: Either.

754
00:38:22,754 --> 00:38:24,794
Speaker 2: There's a I heard you and me are talking about

755
00:38:24,794 --> 00:38:27,554
Speaker 2: the show the other day and there's this awful scene

756
00:38:27,594 --> 00:38:31,194
Speaker 2: where jackieo Nasis is drunk and dancing with an old

757
00:38:31,234 --> 00:38:33,033
Speaker 2: portrait of JFK.

758
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Speaker 3: And light falls over on a couch and I was just.

759
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Speaker 8: Like, oh my god.

760
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Speaker 3: I mean, I know the woman is long gone, but still.

761
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Speaker 2: The stefamation, terrible dancing and singing involved. But imagine that

762
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Speaker 2: your ex. I mean, and I know that this is

763
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Speaker 2: all complicated by the tragedy that came afterwards, but imagine

764
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Speaker 2: you were being portrayed through the eyes of your egg.

765
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Speaker 4: Regardless of who your ex was. If your ex got

766
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Speaker 4: to write the story of your.

767
00:38:56,594 --> 00:38:59,714
Speaker 2: Brain, how they would portray you and how mortifying it

768
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Speaker 2: would be. And also because Daryl Hannah has been a

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Speaker 2: very private person now for decades and we don't really

770
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Speaker 2: know whether that's her choice or not. We know that

771
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Speaker 2: she does some animal activism, she's I think she's married

772
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Speaker 2: to Neil Young or so.

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Speaker 6: She is, and she's done a lot of significant environmental

774
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Speaker 6: activism as well.

775
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Speaker 2: But she hasn't chosen to be a big celebrity. And

776
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Speaker 2: so imagine that a whole new generation is learning about

777
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Speaker 2: you and who you are through this deeply unflattering portrayal.

778
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Speaker 3: I would be furious. I think this show. I'm enjoying it,

779
00:39:28,274 --> 00:39:29,634
Speaker 3: but it's very trashy.

780
00:39:29,714 --> 00:39:30,114
Speaker 5: Claire.

781
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Speaker 6: What would your least favorite ex say about you?

782
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Speaker 5: I do not want to know, Well, I will. I mean,

783
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Speaker 5: I don't really have like exes exes because I've been

784
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Speaker 5: with my husband, but even my husband on a bad day,

785
00:39:44,234 --> 00:39:46,714
Speaker 5: what he mind say about me? I don't want to know.

786
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Speaker 5: The piece by Daryl Hannah about this in the New

787
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Speaker 5: York Times great, It was brilliant. It was so good,

788
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Speaker 5: and I thought it was a really clever way to

789
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Speaker 5: come back at this because she sort of shows that,

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Speaker 5: you know, it's always been the idea that if you're

791
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Speaker 5: quiet and dignified, something will blow over. The point that

792
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Speaker 5: she makes is that the nature of media has changed,

793
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Speaker 5: and she references in the piece that Jackie on Nassus

794
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Speaker 5: gave her the advice that once the paper's done, it

795
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Speaker 5: becomes scrap.

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Speaker 6: It's so cleverly done because she opens the piece with

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Speaker 6: the advice from Jacqueline Nassus that basically whatever is published

798
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Speaker 6: about you eventually becomes the lining of bird cages. So

799
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Speaker 6: in that first sentence, she's like, I've had chats with

800
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Speaker 6: Jackie Nassus, let me tell you how it really was.

801
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Speaker 5: And they are not the ones in the show, but

802
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Speaker 5: she says that it's really different with the Internet. And

803
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Speaker 5: this is something I have been thinking about for years

804
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Speaker 5: and years and years, and it's sort of why I

805
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Speaker 5: wrote my book, because I'm obsessed with the idea of

806
00:40:52,154 --> 00:40:55,474
Speaker 5: the stickiness of the Internet and what a human being

807
00:40:55,594 --> 00:41:02,674
Speaker 5: is meant to do when your reputation is permanently damaged online.

808
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Speaker 5: It doesn't matter what Daryl Hannah does from now until

809
00:41:06,674 --> 00:41:10,994
Speaker 5: pev that myth of her is still going to exist,

810
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Speaker 5: and she can write all the defenses that she wants,

811
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Speaker 5: and she's on TikTok now good honor, getting on TikTok. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

812
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Speaker 5: she made a TikTok to like push to the New

813
00:41:19,754 --> 00:41:22,994
Speaker 5: York times pace. She's running around in the snow, and

814
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Speaker 5: it doesn't matter kind of how much she challenges it,

815
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Speaker 5: although I think it does matter. It creates a counter narrative,

816
00:41:29,234 --> 00:41:31,194
Speaker 5: but there are always going to be people who missed

817
00:41:31,234 --> 00:41:33,994
Speaker 5: the New York Times piece and only watched Love Story

818
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Speaker 5: then have that idea in it.

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Speaker 2: I also particularly liked her point that as a simple

820
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Speaker 2: narrative device for the new girlfriend to be the one

821
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Speaker 2: he marries, the perfect one, he marries blah blah blah,

822
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Speaker 2: even though all evidence suggests their relationship was as rocky

823
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Speaker 2: as any relationship, the ex.

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Speaker 3: Girlfriend has to have been bad. That's the narrative that

825
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Speaker 3: we want. We want to go.

826
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Speaker 2: Everyone has the person who's right for them, and you

827
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Speaker 2: date the people who are wrong for you. It wouldn't

828
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Speaker 2: matter who Daryl Hannah was. She had to be wrong,

829
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Speaker 2: she had to be grasping, she had to be a

830
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Speaker 2: bit of an idiot because Carolyn Bissett has to be

831
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Speaker 2: the perfect person. And it is a lazy narrative, and

832
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Speaker 2: as she says, it's also misogynistic. It's like good woman badness,

833
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Speaker 2: and life is much more complicated than that. Unfortunately, that

834
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Speaker 2: complication doesn't do so well in a seven part drama

835
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Speaker 2: on Disney.

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Speaker 6: And there's another layer in it too, which is I

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Speaker 6: discover while I was researching for this that Hannah was

838
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Speaker 6: diagnosed with autism as a child and in her adult

839
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Speaker 6: life she has spoken a lot about how it led

840
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Speaker 6: that diagnosis led her into acting, and it also affects

841
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Speaker 6: her decision to very much retreat from the public eye.

842
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Speaker 6: So while she's been in big movies in the last

843
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Speaker 6: few years, she was in Kill Bill, for instance, she

844
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Speaker 6: has made this very conscious decision that she does not

845
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Speaker 6: want to put herself out there for scrutiny in public.

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Speaker 6: She finds it very anxiety inducing and very difficult. And

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Speaker 6: the idea that someone who is ner a divergent and

848
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Speaker 6: who has struggled with how to present themselves in the

849
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Speaker 6: public eye because of it, is getting the double whammy

850
00:43:00,954 --> 00:43:04,554
Speaker 6: of this like inaccurate portrayal. It really made me feel

851
00:43:04,674 --> 00:43:06,074
Speaker 6: ashamed for liking the show.

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Speaker 3: Could she sue The.

853
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Speaker 6: Answer is basically no, because someone's tried to do that before.

854
00:43:10,674 --> 00:43:14,274
Speaker 6: Ryan Murphy was sued in twenty seventeen by Olivia de Haviland,

855
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Speaker 6: who was like an old Hollywood start who accused him

856
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Speaker 6: of a false betrayal in the show Feud, remember that

857
00:43:20,074 --> 00:43:22,873
Speaker 6: show few that was also a big kid. Actually, the

858
00:43:22,994 --> 00:43:26,074
Speaker 6: case was dismissed because in the US, the First Amendment

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Speaker 6: really gives you a lot of leeway in terms of

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Speaker 6: artistic expression and freedom of speech. So there is a

861
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Speaker 6: precedent that says, basically, the best you can do is

862
00:43:34,034 --> 00:43:34,874
Speaker 6: hop on TikTok.

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Speaker 5: Wow, gosh, that's so depressing.

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Speaker 6: Now I do have to bring a very important second

865
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Speaker 6: piece as celebrity news to the Conversation. The headline is

866
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Speaker 6: the Beckhams just can't help themselves. Last week it was

867
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Speaker 6: Brooklyn Beckham's twenty seventh birthday.

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Speaker 4: And against his express wishes, so.

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Speaker 6: David and Lady Victoria both posted birthday wishes accompanied by

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Speaker 6: photos of Brooklyn as a child with his parents. Claire,

871
00:44:05,474 --> 00:44:08,034
Speaker 6: how can we take these people's phone away from that?

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Speaker 5: I can't believe it. And my favorite thing about this

873
00:44:11,834 --> 00:44:16,314
Speaker 5: story is the earnestness with which people approach it. And

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Speaker 5: it's a generational thing, like if your Victoria and David's generation,

875
00:44:21,674 --> 00:44:24,794
Speaker 5: generally you are on their side. And there are a

876
00:44:24,794 --> 00:44:28,634
Speaker 5: lot of people saying bless them choosing to love in

877
00:44:28,674 --> 00:44:30,794
Speaker 5: spite of all he said, And I'm like, you don't

878
00:44:30,834 --> 00:44:34,834
Speaker 5: know anything about the blood like it's a post on Instagram.

879
00:44:34,914 --> 00:44:37,594
Speaker 5: I think because I have always a little bit been

880
00:44:37,674 --> 00:44:39,913
Speaker 5: on Brookie side. I've got a soft spot for book

881
00:44:39,954 --> 00:44:43,554
Speaker 5: and Beckham always have, I reckon this is actually evidence

882
00:44:43,594 --> 00:44:46,393
Speaker 5: of exactly what he was saying, that there's a very

883
00:44:46,434 --> 00:44:48,954
Speaker 5: performative aspect to the relationship.

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00:44:48,994 --> 00:44:52,914
Speaker 6: He literally said brand Beckham comes first, adding that family

885
00:44:52,994 --> 00:44:55,954
Speaker 6: love is decided by how much you post on social media.

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00:44:56,194 --> 00:44:58,634
Speaker 3: I absolutely love that they did this.

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00:44:58,994 --> 00:45:00,354
Speaker 4: Why did they do it? Holly?

888
00:45:00,834 --> 00:45:05,314
Speaker 2: The touch that is particularly delicious and awful about this

889
00:45:05,834 --> 00:45:06,114
Speaker 2: is that.

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00:45:06,154 --> 00:45:11,154
Speaker 3: David Beckham even says happy birthday, bust love you. I

891
00:45:11,194 --> 00:45:13,474
Speaker 3: didn't even know that was Brooklyn's nickname.

892
00:45:13,674 --> 00:45:17,073
Speaker 2: So I've now learned something new about Brooklyn Bacon from

893
00:45:17,114 --> 00:45:20,354
Speaker 2: the parents that he has ganged from sharing anything about him.

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00:45:20,354 --> 00:45:20,553
Speaker 4: Ever.

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00:45:21,114 --> 00:45:23,674
Speaker 2: It's really interesting because last time we talked about this,

896
00:45:23,714 --> 00:45:26,354
Speaker 2: and we talked about whether or not families should express

897
00:45:26,394 --> 00:45:28,714
Speaker 2: their love by saying happy birthday to each other on Instagram,

898
00:45:28,794 --> 00:45:31,634
Speaker 2: a lot of people said that is how everybody expresses

899
00:45:31,634 --> 00:45:33,913
Speaker 2: their love these days, like it doesn't. It doesn't mean

900
00:45:33,954 --> 00:45:35,873
Speaker 2: you don't love your family. In fact, that's where a

901
00:45:35,914 --> 00:45:39,994
Speaker 2: whole generation expressed a happy birthday, darling, love you, sisters, friends,

902
00:45:40,034 --> 00:45:42,314
Speaker 2: everybody does it. So I don't think there's anything sinister

903
00:45:42,354 --> 00:45:45,194
Speaker 2: about that or that it shows that you don't love them.

904
00:45:45,354 --> 00:45:45,914
Speaker 4: How about.

905
00:45:47,234 --> 00:45:49,913
Speaker 3: What it does show is.

906
00:45:49,914 --> 00:45:53,594
Speaker 2: That they do not care for Brooklyn's cease and desist

907
00:45:54,074 --> 00:45:56,674
Speaker 2: and that they're like, you will not stop us. We

908
00:45:56,754 --> 00:45:59,514
Speaker 2: will keep marching on because I think that they probably

909
00:45:59,554 --> 00:46:02,314
Speaker 2: think if we let that date slip by. I tell

910
00:46:02,314 --> 00:46:04,314
Speaker 2: you what, Nicola Peltz did not let that slip by.

911
00:46:04,434 --> 00:46:06,993
Speaker 2: She had a lot of posts about Brookie on that day.

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00:46:07,394 --> 00:46:09,634
Speaker 2: Then they would be seen to be walking away from him.

913
00:46:09,634 --> 00:46:11,154
Speaker 2: And they're not going to They're not going to back

914
00:46:11,194 --> 00:46:12,873
Speaker 2: down without a fight. They are going to wait that

915
00:46:13,034 --> 00:46:14,994
Speaker 2: marriage out. That's what those two are going to do.

916
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Speaker 5: I tell you what you can It's all about image.

917
00:46:18,114 --> 00:46:19,834
Speaker 5: It's oh gosh, I find it.

918
00:46:21,074 --> 00:46:23,714
Speaker 6: My big takeaway from this episode is that I really

919
00:46:23,714 --> 00:46:24,834
Speaker 6: should have become a lawyer.

920
00:46:25,474 --> 00:46:28,594
Speaker 4: I know lawyers like good job lawyers.

921
00:46:28,634 --> 00:46:30,674
Speaker 6: Every story seems to come back to them and how

922
00:46:30,754 --> 00:46:31,634
Speaker 6: rich are about to be?

923
00:46:31,834 --> 00:46:34,634
Speaker 5: Yeah, the problem is I wouldn't be able to specialize

924
00:46:34,634 --> 00:46:36,594
Speaker 5: because I'd want to be in every kind of lawyer.

925
00:46:36,834 --> 00:46:38,514
Speaker 5: So I'd want to be a Daryl Hanna a lawyer,

926
00:46:38,834 --> 00:46:42,074
Speaker 5: and then I'd also want to be Rookie Beckham lawyer

927
00:46:42,194 --> 00:46:43,874
Speaker 5: and a radio lawyer.

928
00:46:43,914 --> 00:46:46,274
Speaker 2: Imagine the payday on the lawyer on the lawyers for

929
00:46:46,394 --> 00:46:47,714
Speaker 2: our friends Kyle and Jacket.

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00:46:47,754 --> 00:46:50,114
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think needs a lawyer. Oh my god.

931
00:46:50,114 --> 00:46:51,234
Speaker 4: He does the.

932
00:46:51,194 --> 00:46:55,873
Speaker 5: Ballet dancers Yeah, Oh my god, they seem ligious.

933
00:46:55,994 --> 00:47:01,194
Speaker 6: I think to have a dance off cheaper out louders.

934
00:47:01,714 --> 00:47:01,953
Speaker 3: Gosh.

935
00:47:01,994 --> 00:47:04,154
Speaker 2: We've covered a lot of ground, I know, from little

936
00:47:04,194 --> 00:47:07,074
Speaker 2: baby twinnies to Brooklyn Becka's.

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00:47:07,154 --> 00:47:09,234
Speaker 4: It's been such a journey you really have.

938
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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I hope you're having a wonderful Monday.

939
00:47:12,834 --> 00:47:13,513
Speaker 3: Thank you, as.

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00:47:13,434 --> 00:47:16,114
Speaker 2: Always to our incredible team for putting this show together

941
00:47:16,114 --> 00:47:16,433
Speaker 2: for us.

942
00:47:16,674 --> 00:47:18,714
Speaker 3: We're going to be back in your ears on Wednesday.

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00:47:18,714 --> 00:47:25,314
Speaker 3: Bye bye, Mamma.

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00:47:25,354 --> 00:47:28,194
Speaker 2: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which

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Speaker 2: we have recorded this podcast.