1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,624 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,624 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,664 --> 00:00:29,544 Speaker 1: to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura 6 00:00:29,544 --> 00:00:31,984 Speaker 1: Brodnick and I'm Kelly McCarry and we have a juicy 7 00:00:31,984 --> 00:00:33,864 Speaker 1: episode coming up. We really do. 8 00:00:33,984 --> 00:00:36,264 Speaker 3: And we're not in Maya's office. We're not super cozy, 9 00:00:36,264 --> 00:00:38,904 Speaker 3: but I'm sitting cross legged. I've got a big cozy jacket. 10 00:00:39,104 --> 00:00:42,344 Speaker 2: Laura and I actually look like we are at different days. 11 00:00:42,464 --> 00:00:44,704 Speaker 1: We'll look We're dressed for completely different seasons. 12 00:00:44,704 --> 00:00:47,184 Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of winter. You are white lotus. 13 00:00:47,304 --> 00:00:49,624 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get the last bit of my summer wardrobe. 14 00:00:49,664 --> 00:00:51,024 Speaker 2: And I think is very smart. 15 00:00:51,144 --> 00:00:53,104 Speaker 1: But yes, we're actually sitting in a studio. We're so 16 00:00:53,224 --> 00:00:55,584 Speaker 1: fancy right now, so maybe we'll sound more professional. I 17 00:00:55,584 --> 00:00:57,184 Speaker 1: don't know. You guys be the judge of that. But 18 00:00:57,224 --> 00:00:59,064 Speaker 1: we do have a very juicy episode coming up for 19 00:00:59,104 --> 00:01:01,664 Speaker 1: you because we have a bit of an update on 20 00:01:01,664 --> 00:01:05,544 Speaker 1: one of Hollywood's most scandalous secret celebrity romances. 21 00:01:05,984 --> 00:01:08,944 Speaker 2: We also are talking about baking bad. 22 00:01:11,504 --> 00:01:13,224 Speaker 1: How long you spend coming up with that. 23 00:01:13,784 --> 00:01:17,944 Speaker 2: Probably way too long this morning. It was way too long. 24 00:01:18,144 --> 00:01:20,664 Speaker 2: I'm just joking. I didn't, but I was chuckling to myself. 25 00:01:20,744 --> 00:01:23,384 Speaker 1: Yes, I've got two Australian celebrity chefs and I'm gonna 26 00:01:23,384 --> 00:01:26,424 Speaker 1: call them influences because they have influence, pretty big influences. Yes, 27 00:01:26,464 --> 00:01:29,864 Speaker 1: because they have so much influence, either of them, and 28 00:01:29,904 --> 00:01:33,904 Speaker 1: they are huge. Oh yeah, that that crazy shocks me. 29 00:01:33,984 --> 00:01:36,144 Speaker 1: So we're going to get into that huge, big legal 30 00:01:36,144 --> 00:01:38,984 Speaker 1: battle and back and forth. Everyone's picked aside. We're getting 31 00:01:39,104 --> 00:01:41,864 Speaker 1: into that. But first, so next week is going to 32 00:01:41,904 --> 00:01:44,664 Speaker 1: be a huge week in entertainment because well it's the 33 00:01:44,704 --> 00:01:47,984 Speaker 1: first Monday in me very famously when happen. 34 00:01:47,904 --> 00:01:50,544 Speaker 2: It's happening, Harry, your schedule. 35 00:01:51,304 --> 00:01:53,784 Speaker 1: So embarrassing is that I've had to like actually clear 36 00:01:53,864 --> 00:01:57,064 Speaker 1: my schedules because no, no, because I have to work 37 00:01:57,104 --> 00:01:59,504 Speaker 1: long hours around the Megala. And when you explain to 38 00:01:59,584 --> 00:02:02,064 Speaker 1: people like I was like this year that Megala's falling 39 00:02:02,104 --> 00:02:04,344 Speaker 1: on my birthday, so I had to cancel my birthday plans, 40 00:02:04,344 --> 00:02:06,504 Speaker 1: which is fine, then come into work and do like 41 00:02:06,544 --> 00:02:08,864 Speaker 1: an extra extra long day. And when I was like 42 00:02:08,904 --> 00:02:10,624 Speaker 1: telling people like oh no, no, I'm like I can't 43 00:02:10,624 --> 00:02:12,304 Speaker 1: do this. I can't do that. It's met Gala, people like, 44 00:02:12,344 --> 00:02:13,304 Speaker 1: are you going yeah? 45 00:02:13,344 --> 00:02:13,864 Speaker 2: Are you going? 46 00:02:14,104 --> 00:02:14,544 Speaker 1: No? 47 00:02:14,544 --> 00:02:18,464 Speaker 2: No, biggest fashion celebrity day of the year pretty much. 48 00:02:18,504 --> 00:02:19,904 Speaker 2: It's more so than your skis. 49 00:02:19,664 --> 00:02:21,904 Speaker 1: Now one hundred percent, it's going to be so much bigger. 50 00:02:21,944 --> 00:02:23,544 Speaker 1: So I mean, anyway, our coverage around that is going 51 00:02:23,584 --> 00:02:25,704 Speaker 1: to be lit, guys, So just make sure you're here 52 00:02:25,704 --> 00:02:28,224 Speaker 1: with us next week. But on the same day, which 53 00:02:28,264 --> 00:02:32,464 Speaker 1: is very telling. Sean Combs is finally going to trial. 54 00:02:32,304 --> 00:02:35,424 Speaker 2: Diddy, but Lauren just said off camera, she goes, can't 55 00:02:35,424 --> 00:02:36,264 Speaker 2: call him that anymore. 56 00:02:36,424 --> 00:02:40,104 Speaker 1: Just feels weird to be like, did he's it's too late, mate, Yeah, 57 00:02:40,104 --> 00:02:42,104 Speaker 1: And I feel like also in the legal papers he's 58 00:02:42,144 --> 00:02:44,624 Speaker 1: called Sean Comb. So that's kind of how we're falling 59 00:02:44,624 --> 00:02:44,744 Speaker 1: to it. 60 00:02:44,824 --> 00:02:47,384 Speaker 3: If you were court, I would not call you lawsy, 61 00:02:47,464 --> 00:02:49,104 Speaker 3: not that I've ever called you that before. 62 00:02:48,824 --> 00:02:51,944 Speaker 1: But yeah, I get it. Yeah, because obviously he's changed 63 00:02:51,984 --> 00:02:53,544 Speaker 1: his name a few times over the years. I remember 64 00:02:53,544 --> 00:02:55,664 Speaker 1: when I was in like primary school, he was puff Daddy, 65 00:02:56,144 --> 00:02:57,664 Speaker 1: and oh. 66 00:02:57,104 --> 00:03:00,064 Speaker 3: My god that I did not ever realize that that 67 00:03:00,144 --> 00:03:00,864 Speaker 3: was the same person. 68 00:03:00,984 --> 00:03:04,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, puff Daddy, P Diddy Diddy. He's changed his name. 69 00:03:04,824 --> 00:03:07,264 Speaker 1: He's like Taylor Swift with the errors, except he changes 70 00:03:07,264 --> 00:03:08,424 Speaker 1: his name's actual name. 71 00:03:08,464 --> 00:03:11,264 Speaker 2: Maybe because he's trying to escape his past. 72 00:03:11,344 --> 00:03:13,744 Speaker 1: You know, some people have said that. So Sean Crombs 73 00:03:13,864 --> 00:03:18,544 Speaker 1: is going to trial for multiple charges of sex trafficking, racketeering, 74 00:03:18,664 --> 00:03:22,184 Speaker 1: and transportation to engage in prostitution. So it's something we've 75 00:03:22,184 --> 00:03:24,944 Speaker 1: covered a lot on the spill. Basically a few different 76 00:03:24,944 --> 00:03:27,544 Speaker 1: people have come forward over the years, and then finally 77 00:03:27,904 --> 00:03:30,264 Speaker 1: the lawyer who's sort of leading the charge against him 78 00:03:30,424 --> 00:03:34,224 Speaker 1: put out a call. Hundreds of people came forward with allegations. 79 00:03:34,464 --> 00:03:36,864 Speaker 1: From that, the legal team like talk through them all, 80 00:03:36,904 --> 00:03:38,824 Speaker 1: and it's like very hard to bring these things to 81 00:03:38,904 --> 00:03:41,744 Speaker 1: court because there's like statute of limitations. It's also very 82 00:03:41,744 --> 00:03:43,904 Speaker 1: hard to prove. You have to have evidence. That's why 83 00:03:43,984 --> 00:03:46,064 Speaker 1: when anyone says like, oh, people just do it for 84 00:03:46,104 --> 00:03:48,544 Speaker 1: the fame, and like they have to Really, again, we 85 00:03:48,544 --> 00:03:50,144 Speaker 1: don't know who's guilty or not. It's going to trial 86 00:03:50,144 --> 00:03:52,464 Speaker 1: and it'll be decided to the legend. Yes, but what 87 00:03:52,504 --> 00:03:54,824 Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's not an easy thing to take someone 88 00:03:54,824 --> 00:03:56,624 Speaker 1: to court for this or to have them found guilty. 89 00:03:56,704 --> 00:03:58,664 Speaker 1: Like you have to have a huge amount of evidence 90 00:03:58,744 --> 00:04:00,984 Speaker 1: and you have to prove beyond a shadow of a 91 00:04:00,984 --> 00:04:04,064 Speaker 1: doubt that it actually happened. So that's all kicking off 92 00:04:04,264 --> 00:04:07,024 Speaker 1: on the first Monday in May. So it's really interesting 93 00:04:07,024 --> 00:04:08,904 Speaker 1: that you're going to have someone who's been like the 94 00:04:08,944 --> 00:04:12,104 Speaker 1: pinnacle of fame for so long, someone who's not at 95 00:04:12,104 --> 00:04:14,824 Speaker 1: the event, yes, not at the event, but also have 96 00:04:14,944 --> 00:04:17,624 Speaker 1: this huge trial happening in New York when the Met 97 00:04:17,664 --> 00:04:20,944 Speaker 1: Gala is taking place, and also for so long shown homes. 98 00:04:20,984 --> 00:04:23,024 Speaker 1: I guess people are alleging that he got away with 99 00:04:23,064 --> 00:04:26,904 Speaker 1: this because he is so famous everyone epitome of celebrity 100 00:04:26,944 --> 00:04:28,824 Speaker 1: like he did that kind of like crazy over the 101 00:04:28,824 --> 00:04:31,824 Speaker 1: top lifestyle and through all those huge parties and all 102 00:04:31,824 --> 00:04:35,104 Speaker 1: the celebrities came around him in the same way. They're 103 00:04:35,144 --> 00:04:36,864 Speaker 1: kind of going to gather at the Met Gala, you know, 104 00:04:37,024 --> 00:04:38,904 Speaker 1: for fame, to had their photos taken, to have the 105 00:04:38,984 --> 00:04:39,864 Speaker 1: infamous stories. 106 00:04:39,984 --> 00:04:41,224 Speaker 2: Will it be video recorded? 107 00:04:41,544 --> 00:04:43,704 Speaker 1: Some of it is yet going to be live streamed, 108 00:04:43,784 --> 00:04:45,144 Speaker 1: so you'll be able to watch a lot of it. 109 00:04:45,264 --> 00:04:47,984 Speaker 2: Kind of love that about the American court system. That 110 00:04:48,104 --> 00:04:50,904 Speaker 2: makes so Yeah, I know that I shouldn't say that, 111 00:04:50,904 --> 00:04:51,504 Speaker 2: but it does. 112 00:04:51,464 --> 00:04:53,504 Speaker 1: Well, I know, well, people just didn't really invest in it, 113 00:04:53,624 --> 00:04:56,304 Speaker 1: especially in this one because there are like throughout the 114 00:04:56,344 --> 00:04:58,864 Speaker 1: accusations and like the initial court hearings and when he 115 00:04:58,944 --> 00:05:01,664 Speaker 1: was initially being charged, they were talking about all these 116 00:05:01,744 --> 00:05:03,824 Speaker 1: huge celebrity names where they were just in the court 117 00:05:03,864 --> 00:05:06,744 Speaker 1: papers called like celebrity, A celebrity B. But they're meant 118 00:05:06,784 --> 00:05:09,544 Speaker 1: to be like AAA listers who are involved. So I 119 00:05:09,544 --> 00:05:11,424 Speaker 1: think people are going to be watching for their names 120 00:05:11,464 --> 00:05:13,824 Speaker 1: to come out. But they did have like a pre 121 00:05:14,024 --> 00:05:18,184 Speaker 1: hearing before the trials over a week ago, and Shawn 122 00:05:18,224 --> 00:05:22,384 Speaker 1: Crome's attorneys said that his defense basically they were kind 123 00:05:22,384 --> 00:05:24,424 Speaker 1: of like putting out their initial arguments and they said 124 00:05:24,424 --> 00:05:26,184 Speaker 1: his defense is going to be that he thought it 125 00:05:26,224 --> 00:05:30,264 Speaker 1: was appropriate to have multiple sex partners, including sex workers, 126 00:05:30,264 --> 00:05:32,624 Speaker 1: because he thought it was common. So that's going to 127 00:05:32,664 --> 00:05:35,864 Speaker 1: be his defense, which again not getting like super into 128 00:05:35,864 --> 00:05:37,544 Speaker 1: the whole legal side of it. But I don't think 129 00:05:37,544 --> 00:05:40,304 Speaker 1: anyone's accusing him of cheating, Like you can't get to 130 00:05:40,384 --> 00:05:40,984 Speaker 1: court and cheating. 131 00:05:41,064 --> 00:05:42,264 Speaker 2: Oh that's not the problem. 132 00:05:42,304 --> 00:05:46,024 Speaker 3: We've got here, Yes, so much bigger situation. So I 133 00:05:46,064 --> 00:05:48,384 Speaker 3: love that that's what he's trying. Oh, I didn't cheat 134 00:05:48,424 --> 00:05:48,824 Speaker 3: on anyone. 135 00:05:48,864 --> 00:05:52,984 Speaker 1: Oh yeah that's good. Yeah, that's between you and your 136 00:05:53,024 --> 00:05:55,504 Speaker 1: partner at the time that you keep on the back 137 00:05:55,504 --> 00:05:57,184 Speaker 1: of that came back to the group chat. The rest 138 00:05:57,224 --> 00:05:59,264 Speaker 1: of us want to know about the sex trafficking and 139 00:05:59,344 --> 00:06:01,464 Speaker 1: rape charges. So anyway, Yes, it just feels like this 140 00:06:01,664 --> 00:06:04,664 Speaker 1: has been in the works for so long. So this Monday, 141 00:06:04,784 --> 00:06:06,864 Speaker 1: same day as the met Gala, the Shawn Cromes case 142 00:06:07,024 --> 00:06:08,944 Speaker 1: will kick off and we'll finally sort of, I guess, 143 00:06:08,984 --> 00:06:10,744 Speaker 1: get answers to a lot of these questions that have 144 00:06:10,824 --> 00:06:12,624 Speaker 1: been bubbling around for over a year. 145 00:06:14,904 --> 00:06:17,184 Speaker 3: Okay, Laura, talk to me about BJ, because I've got 146 00:06:17,224 --> 00:06:19,464 Speaker 3: no idea what you're about to that sounds made up. 147 00:06:19,504 --> 00:06:20,144 Speaker 2: I actually don't. 148 00:06:20,184 --> 00:06:22,664 Speaker 3: I was just saying I was like, in the planning meeting, 149 00:06:22,904 --> 00:06:26,824 Speaker 3: both a producer and Laura were like, bollow up BJ, 150 00:06:26,944 --> 00:06:28,344 Speaker 3: and I was like, I just missed it, and then 151 00:06:28,344 --> 00:06:29,944 Speaker 3: I didn't have a time to even look at what 152 00:06:29,984 --> 00:06:31,264 Speaker 3: they were referring to. 153 00:06:31,464 --> 00:06:34,744 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, the Laura around this is extensive and intense 154 00:06:34,824 --> 00:06:36,744 Speaker 1: and many layers. So I'm glad that I'm going to 155 00:06:36,904 --> 00:06:37,944 Speaker 1: be able to explain it to you. 156 00:06:37,984 --> 00:06:40,464 Speaker 2: Okay, yes, so as if I was a listener at home. 157 00:06:40,424 --> 00:06:43,184 Speaker 1: Yes, so, oh, our listeners are across this. We've been 158 00:06:43,184 --> 00:06:44,904 Speaker 1: talking about me, Get. 159 00:06:44,744 --> 00:06:47,064 Speaker 2: Off the mic, get a listener back on, because you've 160 00:06:47,064 --> 00:06:47,624 Speaker 2: got no idea. 161 00:06:47,824 --> 00:06:49,784 Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying this spiller is they know the vibe. 162 00:06:49,784 --> 00:06:52,024 Speaker 1: They know the salacious celebrity gossip that we speak about 163 00:06:52,064 --> 00:06:54,784 Speaker 1: in this pod that we wouldn't say out loud anywhere else. So. 164 00:06:54,904 --> 00:06:58,464 Speaker 1: Bj Novak is a comedian, a writer, and actor, most 165 00:06:58,464 --> 00:07:01,064 Speaker 1: famously known from the Office, was one of kind of 166 00:07:01,064 --> 00:07:05,064 Speaker 1: the big breakout stuff. Yes, you've watched The Office, Yeah. 167 00:07:04,904 --> 00:07:06,344 Speaker 2: Oh my god, one of the greatest TV. 168 00:07:06,464 --> 00:07:08,544 Speaker 1: Okay, great, Then that's all you need to know about 169 00:07:08,624 --> 00:07:12,104 Speaker 1: the rest of this story. So while working on The Office, 170 00:07:12,384 --> 00:07:15,104 Speaker 1: Bj met a young lady called Mindy Kaling who was 171 00:07:15,144 --> 00:07:18,224 Speaker 1: originally hired to be a writer on the Showy and 172 00:07:18,544 --> 00:07:21,184 Speaker 1: Yes and then got carsas Kelly Kapaul and again is 173 00:07:21,224 --> 00:07:23,944 Speaker 1: one of the big breakout stars of that show and 174 00:07:23,984 --> 00:07:25,984 Speaker 1: then went on to be one of the most powerful 175 00:07:25,984 --> 00:07:27,944 Speaker 1: people on Hollywood. That that's not even a joke. 176 00:07:27,744 --> 00:07:31,584 Speaker 2: And favorite sex lives of college girls. Yes you're listening, got. 177 00:07:31,424 --> 00:07:35,024 Speaker 1: The MINDI project running point recently her books, Oh my god, 178 00:07:35,024 --> 00:07:36,664 Speaker 1: and her books is actually where I'm getting a lot 179 00:07:36,664 --> 00:07:38,664 Speaker 1: of my information. So I had gone to the source 180 00:07:38,664 --> 00:07:41,824 Speaker 1: because I'm a huge Mindy Kayley. I just yeah, I 181 00:07:41,904 --> 00:07:44,784 Speaker 1: just love everything that woman creates. I love everything she says. 182 00:07:45,424 --> 00:07:47,784 Speaker 1: I would just watch that Megan Markle episode over and 183 00:07:47,824 --> 00:07:49,984 Speaker 1: over again. Because she doesn't do anything public anymore. Is 184 00:07:50,064 --> 00:07:51,864 Speaker 1: there on any access I have to her? But I've 185 00:07:51,904 --> 00:07:54,384 Speaker 1: read her books multiple times because they are the ultimate 186 00:07:54,424 --> 00:07:57,464 Speaker 1: comfort reads. And in her books she writes about meeting 187 00:07:57,504 --> 00:08:01,384 Speaker 1: bj and having this like instant connection with him. 188 00:08:01,344 --> 00:08:01,984 Speaker 2: Like romantic. 189 00:08:02,384 --> 00:08:05,064 Speaker 1: Well they did date for a little bit. And the 190 00:08:05,104 --> 00:08:07,704 Speaker 1: whole thing is that because they've both talked about their 191 00:08:08,064 --> 00:08:11,184 Speaker 1: intense friendship over the years, because they data, because their 192 00:08:11,224 --> 00:08:14,224 Speaker 1: characters on the show dated, people have thought for many, 193 00:08:14,264 --> 00:08:18,064 Speaker 1: many years that they are secretly in love, and the 194 00:08:18,304 --> 00:08:21,464 Speaker 1: fantia above that of people thinks that they're still not 195 00:08:21,504 --> 00:08:24,344 Speaker 1: only secretly in love but married. And this pit's a 196 00:08:24,344 --> 00:08:26,104 Speaker 1: bit icky. So I don't like to speculate on this, 197 00:08:26,224 --> 00:08:28,384 Speaker 1: but this is what people say. Want to see it anyway, 198 00:08:28,584 --> 00:08:30,104 Speaker 1: I'm just going to say the people think. So Mindy 199 00:08:30,184 --> 00:08:33,584 Speaker 1: Kelley has three children. She has Catherine called Kit adorable. 200 00:08:33,744 --> 00:08:36,464 Speaker 1: Is he the secret baby daddy? Well, that's what the 201 00:08:36,504 --> 00:08:38,424 Speaker 1: people say. So she has Spencer and then she has 202 00:08:38,464 --> 00:08:40,624 Speaker 1: Aunt which isn't that the cutest name for a little girl? 203 00:08:40,664 --> 00:08:43,464 Speaker 1: Like it's so retro aunt so mindy. Kelley has her 204 00:08:43,464 --> 00:08:46,184 Speaker 1: three children and she doesn't like show their photos or anything, 205 00:08:46,184 --> 00:08:47,784 Speaker 1: but sometimes she's like the back of their head or 206 00:08:47,824 --> 00:08:50,264 Speaker 1: she'll talk about them like she's obviously an incredible mother. 207 00:08:50,624 --> 00:08:52,744 Speaker 1: But she's never talked about who the father of the 208 00:08:52,824 --> 00:08:56,744 Speaker 1: children is or she said, she's never sort of really 209 00:08:56,784 --> 00:09:00,704 Speaker 1: gone in. Yeah, she's talked about wanting to like she 210 00:09:02,424 --> 00:09:04,064 Speaker 1: chose that she wanted to be a mum and she 211 00:09:04,144 --> 00:09:06,104 Speaker 1: desperately wanted these kids and she made the choice to 212 00:09:06,104 --> 00:09:08,464 Speaker 1: have them and all these sorts of things, but she's 213 00:09:08,504 --> 00:09:12,064 Speaker 1: never sort of said like this person is the father 214 00:09:12,224 --> 00:09:15,184 Speaker 1: or anything like that. Still to this day, people think 215 00:09:15,224 --> 00:09:17,504 Speaker 1: that bj Novak is the father of her children, and 216 00:09:17,544 --> 00:09:19,744 Speaker 1: some people even think they're married, which I don't think 217 00:09:19,824 --> 00:09:20,624 Speaker 1: one does. 218 00:09:20,504 --> 00:09:22,944 Speaker 2: He have kids on his public life. 219 00:09:23,144 --> 00:09:25,384 Speaker 1: No, again, not that we're aware of. I don't think 220 00:09:25,424 --> 00:09:27,344 Speaker 1: they're married, because tmsey would be all over that, that 221 00:09:27,384 --> 00:09:31,184 Speaker 1: marriage certificate would be somewhere. But people do think they're together, 222 00:09:31,304 --> 00:09:32,944 Speaker 1: and obviously they set records. 223 00:09:33,224 --> 00:09:34,544 Speaker 2: TMS would also be all. 224 00:09:34,464 --> 00:09:36,824 Speaker 1: Over well, I know, but I think that's a bit 225 00:09:36,864 --> 00:09:38,784 Speaker 1: harder to find because I don't know how mine is 226 00:09:38,784 --> 00:09:41,144 Speaker 1: on the public record. Yeah, because it's mine is, And 227 00:09:41,184 --> 00:09:43,064 Speaker 1: also whether you put the person's name, I don't know. 228 00:09:43,104 --> 00:09:46,344 Speaker 1: There's a whole lot there. So every time there's speculation 229 00:09:46,504 --> 00:09:50,944 Speaker 1: around bj Novak dating someone, people get really angry and 230 00:09:50,944 --> 00:09:53,464 Speaker 1: fighter because they're just like, how dare you cheat on 231 00:09:53,504 --> 00:09:56,664 Speaker 1: your wife and your three children? My god, no, I know. 232 00:09:56,784 --> 00:09:59,824 Speaker 1: The line between fantasy and reality for this, for the 233 00:09:59,824 --> 00:10:03,264 Speaker 1: fans is so like blurred, it doesn't even exist anymore. 234 00:10:03,344 --> 00:10:06,064 Speaker 1: It's like a faint yage in the distance. What is 235 00:10:06,104 --> 00:10:14,664 Speaker 1: your relationship status with Mindy Galing? Really? Yes, very It's 236 00:10:14,664 --> 00:10:15,304 Speaker 1: so boring. 237 00:10:15,624 --> 00:10:19,504 Speaker 2: It's just it's it's a great relationship. It's a great relationship, 238 00:10:19,544 --> 00:10:23,064 Speaker 2: friendship and support and amusing each other relationship. 239 00:10:23,184 --> 00:10:26,184 Speaker 1: So this week, the Mindy and Bja fans, they're having 240 00:10:26,224 --> 00:10:29,064 Speaker 1: a tough week. Thoughts of prayers with them because it's 241 00:10:29,104 --> 00:10:31,784 Speaker 1: been confirmed by People magazine, not by the people themselves, 242 00:10:31,784 --> 00:10:34,384 Speaker 1: but People magazine, who would not confirm it unless it 243 00:10:34,504 --> 00:10:38,424 Speaker 1: was true that bj Novak is officially dating TikTok star 244 00:10:38,624 --> 00:10:40,704 Speaker 1: Delaney Row. And if you've seen Delaney we're on TikTok. 245 00:10:40,744 --> 00:10:42,664 Speaker 1: She's like a lot of different like parodies and stuff. 246 00:10:42,824 --> 00:10:45,464 Speaker 2: Hold on, let me google. Okay, so you need a visual, 247 00:10:45,664 --> 00:10:47,944 Speaker 2: I do, because I would probably know her if she's 248 00:10:48,384 --> 00:10:48,984 Speaker 2: Lanny Rowe. 249 00:10:49,304 --> 00:10:52,224 Speaker 1: She has definitely popped up on your feed many times. 250 00:10:52,584 --> 00:10:57,024 Speaker 2: Oh my yeah, God, that is just I never would 251 00:10:57,064 --> 00:10:57,864 Speaker 2: have expected that. 252 00:10:58,544 --> 00:11:01,784 Speaker 1: So apparently they've been dating since December. Make sense. 253 00:11:01,904 --> 00:11:04,744 Speaker 2: She's very funny, good writer, Like, yeah, I feel. 254 00:11:04,584 --> 00:11:06,664 Speaker 1: Like they'd have like their creative brains a lot younger 255 00:11:06,744 --> 00:11:09,264 Speaker 1: than Mesh. Yes, this is more of the scandal part 256 00:11:09,304 --> 00:11:12,184 Speaker 1: where I'm not angry that Bja is cheating on Mindy 257 00:11:12,264 --> 00:11:14,344 Speaker 1: because I don't know their business and I'm gonna go 258 00:11:14,384 --> 00:11:19,384 Speaker 1: out and a Limon says, well, I think that's probably 259 00:11:19,384 --> 00:11:21,144 Speaker 1: the case, which I almost kind of like better, Like 260 00:11:21,184 --> 00:11:24,984 Speaker 1: I love that they've been friend best friends, yeah, even 261 00:11:25,024 --> 00:11:27,464 Speaker 1: though like obviously they did date. Well, there's this thing 262 00:11:27,464 --> 00:11:30,504 Speaker 1: in Mindy's books where she talks about this line on 263 00:11:30,584 --> 00:11:32,424 Speaker 1: that she wrote for the office that she wrote with 264 00:11:32,464 --> 00:11:34,824 Speaker 1: BJ about soup snakes, which is like kind of like 265 00:11:34,864 --> 00:11:37,424 Speaker 1: a shorthand for soulmate kind of thing in her head now, 266 00:11:37,664 --> 00:11:39,464 Speaker 1: and that's what she in BJ say to each other. 267 00:11:39,544 --> 00:11:43,304 Speaker 1: So it's like where soup snakes where soulmates, like their 268 00:11:43,424 --> 00:11:45,784 Speaker 1: line has always been their platonic soulmates, which I actually 269 00:11:45,824 --> 00:11:48,264 Speaker 1: think is adorable. But I do understand why people think 270 00:11:48,784 --> 00:11:52,064 Speaker 1: that they're secretly together. But if they ask secretly together, 271 00:11:52,104 --> 00:11:54,824 Speaker 1: they must have an open relationship. Because he is always 272 00:11:54,864 --> 00:11:57,624 Speaker 1: about town with different ladies. 273 00:11:57,744 --> 00:12:00,824 Speaker 3: She's probably like, I've got a job and three children 274 00:12:01,704 --> 00:12:04,264 Speaker 3: an empire, please go and poke someone else with you 275 00:12:05,904 --> 00:12:10,304 Speaker 3: also not together, so ye, by their words at least, 276 00:12:10,384 --> 00:12:13,464 Speaker 3: but you're not mad, but you're disappointed that he's gone 277 00:12:13,464 --> 00:12:15,784 Speaker 3: into the trope of dating someone that much younger than him, 278 00:12:15,784 --> 00:12:16,624 Speaker 3: because I actually. 279 00:12:16,344 --> 00:12:18,664 Speaker 1: Think that's the biggest story no one's talked to really about. 280 00:12:18,704 --> 00:12:23,104 Speaker 1: How is she so she's twenty eight and he's forty five? Again, 281 00:12:23,224 --> 00:12:25,584 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess once you get above twenty five 282 00:12:25,584 --> 00:12:27,744 Speaker 1: and forty, like, everyone's an adult. So it's fine. 283 00:12:27,864 --> 00:12:29,864 Speaker 2: I don't even think I could date a twenty five 284 00:12:29,944 --> 00:12:30,344 Speaker 2: year old. 285 00:12:30,944 --> 00:12:36,144 Speaker 3: It is a very very different point without life forty five. Sorry, 286 00:12:36,344 --> 00:12:38,184 Speaker 3: how many forty five year old blokes do you know 287 00:12:38,224 --> 00:12:40,224 Speaker 3: that are friends with twenty five year old girls? 288 00:12:40,304 --> 00:12:40,384 Speaker 4: Well? 289 00:12:40,424 --> 00:12:42,504 Speaker 1: I know at a forty five year old, we're trying 290 00:12:42,544 --> 00:12:44,184 Speaker 1: to date twenty five year olds. Yees. 291 00:12:44,224 --> 00:12:46,744 Speaker 3: But when they go, oh yeah, but they're really mature. 292 00:12:46,744 --> 00:12:48,384 Speaker 3: We just get along, so we'll really how many friends 293 00:12:48,424 --> 00:12:49,384 Speaker 3: do you have that are twenty five? 294 00:12:49,584 --> 00:12:51,224 Speaker 1: Yeah? No, no, no, I know that's why Betty's such 295 00:12:51,224 --> 00:12:53,184 Speaker 1: a cliche in Hollywood, like it's such a dumb. 296 00:12:52,944 --> 00:12:54,224 Speaker 2: Thing or in cliche. 297 00:12:54,304 --> 00:12:55,704 Speaker 1: No no, but that's what I think is the more 298 00:12:55,744 --> 00:12:58,104 Speaker 1: interesting kind of thing. It's like, not that Bja is 299 00:12:58,184 --> 00:13:00,984 Speaker 1: cheating on Mindy, his fake wife and the fake mother 300 00:13:01,064 --> 00:13:03,544 Speaker 1: of fake children. I think it's more interesting that he 301 00:13:03,584 --> 00:13:06,144 Speaker 1: is just like another Hollywood guy who's dating a young woman. 302 00:13:06,344 --> 00:13:08,824 Speaker 1: So they've been linked since December of last year, but 303 00:13:08,824 --> 00:13:12,864 Speaker 1: it's only recently it's been confirmed by People magazine. Also 304 00:13:13,024 --> 00:13:16,344 Speaker 1: du Noir, the online gossip site Everyone Knows What that is, 305 00:13:16,664 --> 00:13:19,024 Speaker 1: has put up quite a few different pictures of them 306 00:13:19,024 --> 00:13:21,264 Speaker 1: out and about. Which is the other way it's being confirmed. 307 00:13:21,504 --> 00:13:23,824 Speaker 1: And I feel like if anyone in the world hates 308 00:13:23,984 --> 00:13:27,184 Speaker 1: Dumi with a fiery passion, it would be bj Novak 309 00:13:27,584 --> 00:13:31,224 Speaker 1: because it came out a few years ago bj Novak 310 00:13:31,344 --> 00:13:34,064 Speaker 1: was dating two women at the same time. Because the 311 00:13:34,144 --> 00:13:37,224 Speaker 1: Dumin spotters in New York, they're all over it, but 312 00:13:37,384 --> 00:13:39,624 Speaker 1: especially for him because he's like a new York lad 313 00:13:39,664 --> 00:13:41,664 Speaker 1: about town, like he's always out the street with a 314 00:13:41,704 --> 00:13:44,784 Speaker 1: different I don't like him. So he was spotted having 315 00:13:44,784 --> 00:13:48,144 Speaker 1: coffee and like lunch with one girlfriend at midday and 316 00:13:48,144 --> 00:13:51,024 Speaker 1: then out with his other girlfriend in the afternoon, and 317 00:13:51,464 --> 00:13:54,424 Speaker 1: Dumis ran all the photos of just and not even 318 00:13:54,504 --> 00:13:56,064 Speaker 1: in a got you kind of way. It was just 319 00:13:56,104 --> 00:13:58,864 Speaker 1: in their spotted section where they were like bj Novak, 320 00:13:58,944 --> 00:14:01,224 Speaker 1: oh with this woman at this restaurant, and then the 321 00:14:01,224 --> 00:14:03,024 Speaker 1: girls and this yeah, and then one of the girls 322 00:14:03,064 --> 00:14:05,064 Speaker 1: wrote in She's like, oh, I thought we were exclusive, 323 00:14:05,064 --> 00:14:07,504 Speaker 1: didn't know we had another date that day. And then 324 00:14:07,584 --> 00:14:10,024 Speaker 1: so he was basically out it and apparently both the 325 00:14:10,024 --> 00:14:12,984 Speaker 1: girls broke up with him again all speculation because they 326 00:14:12,984 --> 00:14:14,904 Speaker 1: both thought they were dating him, and then not even 327 00:14:15,024 --> 00:14:17,184 Speaker 1: just both dating him, the fact that he would have 328 00:14:17,344 --> 00:14:19,784 Speaker 1: ended that date and ran to the next one, and 329 00:14:19,824 --> 00:14:21,544 Speaker 1: then Dumoir just put it all out there. And now 330 00:14:21,584 --> 00:14:23,904 Speaker 1: Domoire has put out that that he's dating Delaney, which 331 00:14:23,904 --> 00:14:26,704 Speaker 1: has brought the mindy stands wrath upon him. So he's 332 00:14:26,704 --> 00:14:27,584 Speaker 1: not having a great day. 333 00:14:27,624 --> 00:14:29,504 Speaker 2: And you know that I am aware that I'll get 334 00:14:29,504 --> 00:14:33,064 Speaker 2: in trouble for commenting on appearance. But it looks like 335 00:14:33,224 --> 00:14:33,904 Speaker 2: her dad. 336 00:14:34,264 --> 00:14:36,504 Speaker 1: Oh really, I'm not saying you're right. 337 00:14:37,104 --> 00:14:39,904 Speaker 3: A photo of them together, it looks like she's so 338 00:14:40,344 --> 00:14:41,464 Speaker 3: fresh faced. 339 00:14:41,144 --> 00:14:43,784 Speaker 2: And youthful looking. Tell me I'm wrong. I don't know. 340 00:14:43,904 --> 00:14:46,184 Speaker 1: I just think he's really handsome, but I don't know. 341 00:14:46,344 --> 00:14:49,584 Speaker 3: I do not, especially after he's a dirty dog. It 342 00:14:49,624 --> 00:14:53,264 Speaker 3: looks like her dad. Sorry, I could shmack a lot 343 00:14:53,304 --> 00:14:56,384 Speaker 3: of people, but someone that looks like my dad. 344 00:14:56,504 --> 00:14:59,264 Speaker 1: Oh, it's really hard because I have bj Novak blinder 345 00:14:59,304 --> 00:15:01,384 Speaker 1: glasses on that I've just like, i'd still see him 346 00:15:01,384 --> 00:15:03,944 Speaker 1: through Mindy Kaling's eyes, through like her books and what 347 00:15:03,984 --> 00:15:05,864 Speaker 1: she said about him and everything, and I just so 348 00:15:06,024 --> 00:15:08,464 Speaker 1: I just really do find him quite attractive as well. 349 00:15:08,904 --> 00:15:12,784 Speaker 1: And he decided just like her face is like so 350 00:15:12,824 --> 00:15:13,384 Speaker 1: screwed up. 351 00:15:14,024 --> 00:15:16,184 Speaker 2: I know what the Mindy stands and don't like him. 352 00:15:16,464 --> 00:15:17,464 Speaker 2: She's the true talent. 353 00:15:17,824 --> 00:15:20,824 Speaker 3: Well, yes, yes, so he done since then, huh, he 354 00:15:20,824 --> 00:15:21,784 Speaker 3: doesn't know het. 355 00:15:21,584 --> 00:15:24,784 Speaker 1: Quite a bit, but he's not as Mindy's definitely the 356 00:15:24,824 --> 00:15:27,904 Speaker 1: more successful one over and above. But he always posting 357 00:15:27,944 --> 00:15:31,024 Speaker 1: to support her, like he'll he'll the bar so low. 358 00:15:31,584 --> 00:15:32,344 Speaker 2: He's a good friend. 359 00:15:32,424 --> 00:15:33,104 Speaker 1: He went to this. 360 00:15:33,264 --> 00:15:36,344 Speaker 2: He left his three children, three children. 361 00:15:36,544 --> 00:15:38,064 Speaker 1: When those children get older, they'll be like, can you 362 00:15:38,104 --> 00:15:40,424 Speaker 1: please not like be connecting our uncle to. 363 00:15:41,104 --> 00:15:44,024 Speaker 4: This is really weird. He's absolutely not our dad. I 364 00:15:44,064 --> 00:15:46,824 Speaker 4: love the idea of people shou stuff around. 365 00:15:48,344 --> 00:15:51,864 Speaker 1: He's dad. He could be, he could be with not 366 00:15:51,944 --> 00:15:56,424 Speaker 1: even a stretch. I love thinking that the ming together secretly, 367 00:15:56,504 --> 00:15:58,024 Speaker 1: but I don't love the idea of like kind of 368 00:15:58,024 --> 00:15:59,744 Speaker 1: bringing the kids into it. That's a bit grace. But 369 00:16:00,064 --> 00:16:02,424 Speaker 1: with BJ, he'll like do things like again not to 370 00:16:02,464 --> 00:16:04,544 Speaker 1: defend him, but he'll do things like go to the 371 00:16:04,624 --> 00:16:06,784 Speaker 1: bus station where Mindy used to like get the bus 372 00:16:06,824 --> 00:16:08,824 Speaker 1: to work and take a photo of her movie poster 373 00:16:09,024 --> 00:16:11,104 Speaker 1: being on there and like post it. Be like could 374 00:16:11,144 --> 00:16:13,504 Speaker 1: you only imagine like back then, like how successful you are. 375 00:16:13,544 --> 00:16:15,384 Speaker 1: I'm so prouding that publicly. 376 00:16:15,424 --> 00:16:17,144 Speaker 2: Just send it to her in a message. Well, he's 377 00:16:17,144 --> 00:16:18,944 Speaker 2: also promoting her stuff, okay. 378 00:16:18,984 --> 00:16:21,424 Speaker 1: Like you know all right. Otherwise, people have been saying 379 00:16:21,424 --> 00:16:23,624 Speaker 1: they have a four arm he's terrible. He doesn't. He doesn't. 380 00:16:23,704 --> 00:16:26,224 Speaker 1: And I can't believe this has become me defending BJ Novak. 381 00:16:26,384 --> 00:16:29,504 Speaker 1: But listen, this is where we're at exactly. So I 382 00:16:29,544 --> 00:16:31,544 Speaker 1: just want to say them, Indy, BJ fans, this week, 383 00:16:31,584 --> 00:16:33,344 Speaker 1: we see you. We know you're having a tough week. 384 00:16:33,624 --> 00:16:35,624 Speaker 3: But you know, so is Bjo because he has to 385 00:16:35,664 --> 00:16:37,944 Speaker 3: tuck in his date and then give. 386 00:16:37,784 --> 00:16:38,704 Speaker 2: Her a pat on the head. 387 00:16:40,984 --> 00:16:43,424 Speaker 3: Now, I really didn't have this on my bingo card, 388 00:16:43,824 --> 00:16:48,184 Speaker 3: but the internet is an absolute uproar about a caramel slice. Yes, 389 00:16:48,304 --> 00:16:53,424 Speaker 3: an allegedly thieved caramel slice. Two huge bake influences are 390 00:16:53,464 --> 00:16:56,704 Speaker 3: at the crux of an alleged baking bad plagiarism case. 391 00:16:57,104 --> 00:17:00,144 Speaker 3: I just slipped that one in again with beloved internet 392 00:17:00,224 --> 00:17:05,184 Speaker 3: sensation Nagi from recipe tin Eats this week accusing brook Bellamy, 393 00:17:05,544 --> 00:17:09,184 Speaker 3: also known as Brookie Bakehouse, of plagiarizing two of her 394 00:17:09,224 --> 00:17:13,744 Speaker 3: recipes in enemy's popular cookbook Bake with Brookie. In a 395 00:17:13,784 --> 00:17:17,184 Speaker 3: statement released across her social media pages, She's huge on 396 00:17:17,184 --> 00:17:19,184 Speaker 3: socials like the fact that I'd never heard of either 397 00:17:19,224 --> 00:17:22,264 Speaker 3: of these people is well, it shows the algorithm right 398 00:17:22,344 --> 00:17:23,584 Speaker 3: that you're in a target at all. 399 00:17:23,624 --> 00:17:24,424 Speaker 2: You're not bake that is. 400 00:17:24,584 --> 00:17:25,984 Speaker 1: That is still wild to me. But I guess we 401 00:17:26,024 --> 00:17:26,864 Speaker 1: all see different things. 402 00:17:26,944 --> 00:17:27,944 Speaker 2: But I'm not a baker. 403 00:17:28,464 --> 00:17:30,744 Speaker 1: No neither am I. In fact, I don't. I've never 404 00:17:30,744 --> 00:17:32,984 Speaker 1: bought a cookbook. I don't think i've ever used a recipe. 405 00:17:33,024 --> 00:17:34,984 Speaker 1: I'm just a naturally gifted cook. That's not even lie 406 00:17:35,024 --> 00:17:38,224 Speaker 1: I am. But I'm super across. But like I'm super 407 00:17:38,264 --> 00:17:41,824 Speaker 1: across them because everyone I know survives off recipe to eat. 408 00:17:41,824 --> 00:17:43,664 Speaker 1: It's like all the girls in this office by cooking 409 00:17:43,704 --> 00:17:46,224 Speaker 1: her recipes and I so many never heard of her 410 00:17:46,224 --> 00:17:47,784 Speaker 1: in my life. Oh, I mean the recipes are great, 411 00:17:47,824 --> 00:17:50,224 Speaker 1: so maybe that you know something to look into, the 412 00:17:50,304 --> 00:17:52,784 Speaker 1: great recommendation for me for the week. Yeah, and people 413 00:17:52,984 --> 00:17:55,424 Speaker 1: love her and she's got a huge Instagram following and 414 00:17:55,464 --> 00:17:57,904 Speaker 1: online following, like my mom's obsessed with her and she's 415 00:17:57,944 --> 00:18:00,224 Speaker 1: barely on the internet. So if that kind of gives 416 00:18:00,224 --> 00:18:02,544 Speaker 1: you an idea of her reach, and then bake with Brookie. 417 00:18:02,584 --> 00:18:04,344 Speaker 1: Like at the moment, you can't walk into any shop 418 00:18:04,344 --> 00:18:07,144 Speaker 1: without seeing her book plastered everywhere. I hadn't seen her 419 00:18:07,224 --> 00:18:09,464 Speaker 1: shops and everything. Okay, Well, I mean that's that's a 420 00:18:09,504 --> 00:18:10,024 Speaker 1: lovely way. 421 00:18:09,904 --> 00:18:12,064 Speaker 3: That I think that it just goes to show that 422 00:18:12,144 --> 00:18:14,864 Speaker 3: if something isn't in your orbit, yeah, you will not 423 00:18:14,904 --> 00:18:17,624 Speaker 3: be targeted, Like you have to come across something first 424 00:18:17,624 --> 00:18:19,624 Speaker 3: for then it to be targeted to you. And someone 425 00:18:19,704 --> 00:18:22,384 Speaker 3: might be huge celebrities to one person and the next 426 00:18:22,384 --> 00:18:25,504 Speaker 3: person literally has never heard of hundred so wild that 427 00:18:25,504 --> 00:18:28,224 Speaker 3: that's the world of celebrity is these days exactly. 428 00:18:28,304 --> 00:18:29,584 Speaker 1: But I think for a lot of people, because they 429 00:18:29,584 --> 00:18:32,464 Speaker 1: have such huge followings in Australia, for a lot of people, 430 00:18:32,824 --> 00:18:36,304 Speaker 1: this is like watching your two favorite like podcast hosts 431 00:18:36,384 --> 00:18:38,624 Speaker 1: or writers or TV stars fight like it's their two 432 00:18:38,664 --> 00:18:41,344 Speaker 1: favorite people in this situation, which is why it's kind 433 00:18:41,344 --> 00:18:41,864 Speaker 1: of blown up. 434 00:18:41,984 --> 00:18:45,984 Speaker 3: Yeah. So in the statement, Nagi said that two recipes 435 00:18:46,064 --> 00:18:49,264 Speaker 3: in the cookbook Bake with Brookie were uncannily similar to 436 00:18:49,344 --> 00:18:53,704 Speaker 3: recipes she had previously published. These were recipes for the 437 00:18:53,704 --> 00:18:57,624 Speaker 3: camel slice and backlavar, which Nagi posted side by side 438 00:18:57,624 --> 00:19:01,984 Speaker 3: screenshots of the ingredients, quantities and instructions from the two books. 439 00:19:02,424 --> 00:19:06,144 Speaker 3: She said that the similarities between the recipes amounted to plagiarism, 440 00:19:06,184 --> 00:19:09,304 Speaker 3: but that the lawyers for Penguin Random House Australia, which 441 00:19:09,344 --> 00:19:12,144 Speaker 3: published Bellamy's book, had rejected her claim and said all 442 00:19:12,224 --> 00:19:15,624 Speaker 3: recipes were written by Bellamy. Now you said, profiting from 443 00:19:15,664 --> 00:19:19,784 Speaker 3: plagiarized recipes is unethical, even if it's not copyright infringement, 444 00:19:19,824 --> 00:19:23,584 Speaker 3: and undermines the integrity of the entire book. It's a 445 00:19:23,624 --> 00:19:25,464 Speaker 3: slap in the face to every author who puts in 446 00:19:25,504 --> 00:19:29,624 Speaker 3: the hard work to create original content rather than cutting corners. Listen, 447 00:19:29,664 --> 00:19:33,064 Speaker 3: we can't say much because of legal stuff. Yeah, I 448 00:19:33,064 --> 00:19:35,904 Speaker 3: don't stand ow. I just flap my mouth without thinking. 449 00:19:36,024 --> 00:19:37,384 Speaker 1: I'd be like, what are you going to see before? 450 00:19:37,544 --> 00:19:39,264 Speaker 2: Like Catty's only got three legs? 451 00:19:39,584 --> 00:19:41,624 Speaker 1: No, I said to Kelly Boy started to rememberate it's 452 00:19:41,624 --> 00:19:45,104 Speaker 1: allegedly alleged exactly. And the thing is we also just 453 00:19:45,144 --> 00:19:47,384 Speaker 1: don't know, like we only seeing the statements come out. 454 00:19:47,424 --> 00:19:49,504 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's why everyone reporting on this case is 455 00:19:49,504 --> 00:19:52,024 Speaker 1: had to be really careful, like and it don't have comments, 456 00:19:52,064 --> 00:19:54,504 Speaker 1: so so have Naggi and Brook. They've both had to 457 00:19:54,584 --> 00:19:57,384 Speaker 1: turn off comments on their socials because you're liable for 458 00:19:57,624 --> 00:19:59,904 Speaker 1: deaf and met even if you don't say it. Especially 459 00:19:59,944 --> 00:20:01,904 Speaker 1: with Nagie when she first put the statement up, she 460 00:20:01,904 --> 00:20:03,304 Speaker 1: had to put an edit note and be like, thank 461 00:20:03,304 --> 00:20:05,584 Speaker 1: you so much for all support. I've read all your comments. 462 00:20:05,624 --> 00:20:07,744 Speaker 1: I've had to turn them off because people were like 463 00:20:07,824 --> 00:20:10,664 Speaker 1: assigning blame to Brook in the comments, and then she's 464 00:20:10,704 --> 00:20:14,104 Speaker 1: like illegally Naggy wanted well, I think she just wanted 465 00:20:14,144 --> 00:20:17,144 Speaker 1: people to know what she was going through exactly. But yeah, 466 00:20:17,144 --> 00:20:18,824 Speaker 1: that's why everyone's having to be really careful because of 467 00:20:18,904 --> 00:20:22,824 Speaker 1: this stage's allegations. And also Penguin Random House, who published 468 00:20:22,864 --> 00:20:25,904 Speaker 1: Brooks book, has come out completely rejected the claims and 469 00:20:25,944 --> 00:20:28,504 Speaker 1: said all the recipes were written by brook And then, 470 00:20:28,584 --> 00:20:31,864 Speaker 1: following Nagi's post, Brooke then put out her own, like 471 00:20:32,024 --> 00:20:35,104 Speaker 1: really long statement on her social account saying she didn't 472 00:20:35,104 --> 00:20:36,624 Speaker 1: plagiari as any of the recipes. 473 00:20:36,904 --> 00:20:40,064 Speaker 2: Some weird old photos she to do with. 474 00:20:40,384 --> 00:20:42,384 Speaker 1: Well, she was trying to show like photos she put 475 00:20:42,424 --> 00:20:43,384 Speaker 1: out before. 476 00:20:43,264 --> 00:20:46,904 Speaker 3: One time, eight years ago, I made a caramel slice. 477 00:20:47,184 --> 00:20:48,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess like receipts is all the 478 00:20:49,024 --> 00:20:51,144 Speaker 1: thing right now, that's the rage of So that's what 479 00:20:51,184 --> 00:20:52,944 Speaker 1: people are trying to look for. So then she wanted 480 00:20:52,944 --> 00:20:54,984 Speaker 1: to stay in her statement, my book consists of one 481 00:20:55,064 --> 00:20:57,944 Speaker 1: hundred recipes I have created over many years since falling 482 00:20:57,944 --> 00:21:00,184 Speaker 1: in love with baking as a child and growing up 483 00:21:00,224 --> 00:21:02,344 Speaker 1: with my mum in the home kitchen. And she went 484 00:21:02,344 --> 00:21:05,704 Speaker 1: on to say that as soon as she heard Nagi's complaints, 485 00:21:05,744 --> 00:21:07,904 Speaker 1: as soon as that was made known to her, she 486 00:21:07,904 --> 00:21:10,344 Speaker 1: said that she offered to remove both the caramel slide 487 00:21:10,584 --> 00:21:13,864 Speaker 1: and the backlavare recipes from future reprints of the cookbook 488 00:21:13,984 --> 00:21:17,184 Speaker 1: just to prevent further aggravation, and then went on to 489 00:21:17,224 --> 00:21:20,184 Speaker 1: say that, yeah, that she's like working with the publishing 490 00:21:20,184 --> 00:21:22,984 Speaker 1: company and stuff, but she's like been really really strict 491 00:21:23,024 --> 00:21:24,824 Speaker 1: in the fact that she's saying she did not play 492 00:21:24,904 --> 00:21:27,464 Speaker 1: Darys and her company is backing her and saying that. 493 00:21:27,784 --> 00:21:29,224 Speaker 2: But the oven gloves are now off. 494 00:21:29,504 --> 00:21:32,504 Speaker 1: Yes, So so I just keep having to just little like, no, 495 00:21:32,584 --> 00:21:35,424 Speaker 1: I'm loving this bakery things in there. How often can 496 00:21:35,464 --> 00:21:38,944 Speaker 1: you do like bakery? Exactly? Not just not that often. 497 00:21:39,144 --> 00:21:41,864 Speaker 2: So there's been further claims of alleged plagiarism. 498 00:21:42,224 --> 00:21:46,384 Speaker 3: US based food blogger Sally of Sally's Baking or Sally's 499 00:21:46,384 --> 00:21:49,344 Speaker 3: Baking Addiction also never heard of this person Sally's. 500 00:21:49,384 --> 00:21:51,184 Speaker 1: I just imagine being in the court reading this other're 501 00:21:51,224 --> 00:21:54,304 Speaker 1: like recipe team Eats in the defense against Brookie bake 502 00:21:54,384 --> 00:21:58,384 Speaker 1: House and supporting Sally's Baking Addiction with reporting by Sally's 503 00:21:58,384 --> 00:22:00,624 Speaker 1: Baking Addiction, Like they're all such sweet names and just 504 00:22:00,784 --> 00:22:01,184 Speaker 1: caught up. 505 00:22:01,224 --> 00:22:02,624 Speaker 2: It just sounded a little bit silly. 506 00:22:02,784 --> 00:22:06,744 Speaker 3: Yeah, has claimed her recipe for vanilla cake appeared in 507 00:22:06,864 --> 00:22:11,384 Speaker 3: Bake with Brookie, So in a statement that she then 508 00:22:11,424 --> 00:22:15,304 Speaker 3: posted to Instagram, Sally thanked Nagi for letting me know 509 00:22:15,424 --> 00:22:18,464 Speaker 3: months ago that one of my recipes published by me 510 00:22:18,544 --> 00:22:21,264 Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen was plagiarized in the book and also 511 00:22:21,384 --> 00:22:24,944 Speaker 3: appeared on Bellamy's YouTube channel. So the fans of recipe 512 00:22:24,984 --> 00:22:28,384 Speaker 3: tin Eats have taken to online forums. Now they're analyzing 513 00:22:28,464 --> 00:22:32,384 Speaker 3: all of Baked by Brookie recipes, uncovering further similarities between 514 00:22:32,784 --> 00:22:37,424 Speaker 3: Bellamy's Portuguese tart recipe and Bill Granger's Portuguese tart recipe 515 00:22:37,664 --> 00:22:40,744 Speaker 3: contained in his two thousand and six cookbook Every Day. 516 00:22:41,144 --> 00:22:43,584 Speaker 3: And I'm sure as this continues to gain traction and 517 00:22:43,624 --> 00:22:47,264 Speaker 3: the cranky people on the internet, the sleuths more will 518 00:22:47,264 --> 00:22:47,944 Speaker 3: come to light. 519 00:22:48,504 --> 00:22:48,824 Speaker 1: Laura. 520 00:22:49,064 --> 00:22:52,824 Speaker 3: On paper, this really doesn't sound that interesting, but it 521 00:22:52,904 --> 00:22:53,944 Speaker 3: actually really is. 522 00:22:53,824 --> 00:22:54,744 Speaker 1: It's so interesting. 523 00:22:54,904 --> 00:22:58,264 Speaker 3: Why has this captured the internet's attention in such a 524 00:22:58,424 --> 00:23:03,384 Speaker 3: huge way? People love Nagi? Oh yeah, everyone Niggi. People 525 00:23:03,384 --> 00:23:06,504 Speaker 3: love Nagi one hundred percent. When this first came out. 526 00:23:06,544 --> 00:23:08,904 Speaker 3: When Nagi first posted, like a couple of days ago, 527 00:23:08,984 --> 00:23:12,504 Speaker 3: the initial statement just I think everyone's group chat was 528 00:23:12,704 --> 00:23:16,304 Speaker 3: blowing up. Everyone's like Microso feel like everyone I know 529 00:23:16,424 --> 00:23:18,944 Speaker 3: in my immediate life had also no idea who they are. 530 00:23:18,984 --> 00:23:21,904 Speaker 4: Okay, well, everyone I know, no one bakes to be fair, 531 00:23:22,024 --> 00:23:23,984 Speaker 4: all cooks to really well. 532 00:23:24,024 --> 00:23:26,624 Speaker 1: In my world, this was like huge breaking news. This 533 00:23:26,784 --> 00:23:28,424 Speaker 1: was it's what people almost love. Like. It was a 534 00:23:28,464 --> 00:23:29,464 Speaker 1: bit gossipy as well. 535 00:23:31,224 --> 00:23:33,944 Speaker 3: In the Facebook group Tea Time, Oh it's all about 536 00:23:33,984 --> 00:23:36,704 Speaker 3: like gossip or like people sharing salacious story. 537 00:23:36,904 --> 00:23:38,104 Speaker 1: I need to get in and I was like, oh, 538 00:23:38,464 --> 00:23:39,104 Speaker 1: who is this? 539 00:23:39,224 --> 00:23:40,984 Speaker 2: And that's where I first heard about it. 540 00:23:41,184 --> 00:23:43,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, there's a few different takeaways from this. The 541 00:23:43,264 --> 00:23:45,424 Speaker 1: first one is that your description is just making me hungry, 542 00:23:45,464 --> 00:23:47,024 Speaker 1: Like when's the last time you had a Portuguese tart? 543 00:23:47,104 --> 00:23:49,384 Speaker 2: No, no I really want is a caramel slice? 544 00:23:49,424 --> 00:23:50,984 Speaker 1: Oh my god, we should go and get know that? 545 00:23:51,024 --> 00:23:53,064 Speaker 1: So why not? 546 00:23:53,544 --> 00:23:56,104 Speaker 2: But the thing is that I found really interesting. 547 00:23:56,144 --> 00:23:58,504 Speaker 3: So at first I was like reading and everyone was like, 548 00:23:58,584 --> 00:24:00,864 Speaker 3: so on Naggi side, which now I actually do get, 549 00:24:00,904 --> 00:24:03,424 Speaker 3: even though it's all allegedly. But at first I was like, 550 00:24:03,584 --> 00:24:07,224 Speaker 3: it's a caramel slice. How different can to be? And 551 00:24:07,264 --> 00:24:09,464 Speaker 3: the way that how can you really word something that 552 00:24:09,504 --> 00:24:12,584 Speaker 3: differently when you're like fold in some cheers, but what 553 00:24:12,584 --> 00:24:14,984 Speaker 3: do you mean by fault? I personally didn't get it 554 00:24:15,024 --> 00:24:17,304 Speaker 3: as a non chef, non baker. 555 00:24:18,104 --> 00:24:19,104 Speaker 2: And also then it was. 556 00:24:19,104 --> 00:24:20,864 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, but she did this really, I forget what 557 00:24:20,904 --> 00:24:23,504 Speaker 3: it was now, but growing up we the way that 558 00:24:23,544 --> 00:24:25,384 Speaker 3: me and my mum made Caramel Size actually did it 559 00:24:25,384 --> 00:24:26,424 Speaker 3: in the exact same way. 560 00:24:26,744 --> 00:24:28,664 Speaker 2: I sure shit wouldn't have been plagiarizing. 561 00:24:29,064 --> 00:24:30,744 Speaker 1: That's the kind of hard thing. And one thing is 562 00:24:30,784 --> 00:24:32,624 Speaker 1: like I do understand why all of these women, like 563 00:24:32,624 --> 00:24:34,304 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, including kind of us, 564 00:24:34,344 --> 00:24:36,744 Speaker 1: just then being like Caramel Size Portuguese tar, it's delicious. 565 00:24:36,864 --> 00:24:38,664 Speaker 1: A lot of people are just like, oh, the baking wars, 566 00:24:38,664 --> 00:24:41,944 Speaker 1: this is so silly, but it's really to make someone's work. Well, 567 00:24:41,944 --> 00:24:44,184 Speaker 1: it's your life work exactly. There's a lot of money 568 00:24:44,224 --> 00:24:46,784 Speaker 1: at stake here from sales of their different books and 569 00:24:46,864 --> 00:24:49,824 Speaker 1: like people visiting their size stuff. 570 00:24:49,024 --> 00:24:52,864 Speaker 2: Your reputation and your reputation exactly, and it's annoying if 571 00:24:52,864 --> 00:24:55,184 Speaker 2: someone completely steals something from you. 572 00:24:55,344 --> 00:24:57,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, And also I think what both these women are 573 00:24:57,384 --> 00:25:00,264 Speaker 1: saying her involved in this is like it's your legitimacy 574 00:25:00,304 --> 00:25:02,544 Speaker 1: as a business, as a brand, it's your name, like 575 00:25:02,624 --> 00:25:04,504 Speaker 1: or you really have in these kind of spaces, is 576 00:25:04,544 --> 00:25:07,704 Speaker 1: your name to keep selling your product? So once that's 577 00:25:07,704 --> 00:25:11,704 Speaker 1: called into question, I understand why it's like legal ramifications 578 00:25:11,704 --> 00:25:13,984 Speaker 1: on both sides and why they're taking it so seriously. 579 00:25:14,224 --> 00:25:16,104 Speaker 1: I think that's why everyone has to be really careful 580 00:25:16,104 --> 00:25:19,064 Speaker 1: and reporting on it because at the stage it is allegations, 581 00:25:19,104 --> 00:25:22,784 Speaker 1: but it's really serious allegations and have huge rammanifications for 582 00:25:22,824 --> 00:25:23,384 Speaker 1: their business. 583 00:25:23,584 --> 00:25:27,184 Speaker 3: But it has brought that Bellamy chick, yeah court, like 584 00:25:27,224 --> 00:25:30,264 Speaker 3: if she gets found guilty for plagiarism, you'd probably have 585 00:25:30,344 --> 00:25:32,264 Speaker 3: to like give the money back. 586 00:25:32,384 --> 00:25:34,184 Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a few different ways there, because 587 00:25:34,184 --> 00:25:37,184 Speaker 1: it would be different to plagiarizing like a whole screenplay 588 00:25:37,264 --> 00:25:39,384 Speaker 1: or something like that. But there definitely would be ramifications, 589 00:25:39,424 --> 00:25:41,464 Speaker 1: even if they're just for the brand. But what I 590 00:25:41,464 --> 00:25:43,664 Speaker 1: think is interesting is now, like you're saying, like we 591 00:25:43,744 --> 00:25:45,184 Speaker 1: used to do it this way growing up and it's 592 00:25:45,184 --> 00:25:46,784 Speaker 1: in a cookbook. Is now it's brought up this big 593 00:25:46,864 --> 00:25:49,984 Speaker 1: question within this influencer world of like who owns a 594 00:25:49,984 --> 00:25:51,224 Speaker 1: recipe and. 595 00:25:51,024 --> 00:25:53,824 Speaker 2: As everyone is influenced by someone or something. 596 00:25:53,704 --> 00:25:55,944 Speaker 1: Exactly, and that's where the conversation has gone. There's a 597 00:25:55,944 --> 00:25:57,944 Speaker 1: really interesting piece that's gone live this week in the 598 00:25:57,984 --> 00:26:00,184 Speaker 1: Sydney Morning Herald that I read because I need some 599 00:26:00,344 --> 00:26:02,944 Speaker 1: sort of answers over this, and it's called two authors 600 00:26:02,984 --> 00:26:05,504 Speaker 1: are warring over claims of recipe theft. But is there 601 00:26:05,544 --> 00:26:09,224 Speaker 1: really such a thing, and it's by Dallas Well, yeah, 602 00:26:09,224 --> 00:26:11,664 Speaker 1: well we'll give them that edit note. But I found 603 00:26:11,664 --> 00:26:13,464 Speaker 1: it really helpful because it went through all the different 604 00:26:13,504 --> 00:26:15,944 Speaker 1: sort of sides of It's by Danny Valent. And one 605 00:26:15,984 --> 00:26:17,784 Speaker 1: interesting thing I thought is that there's an inter you 606 00:26:17,864 --> 00:26:21,224 Speaker 1: in there with Adam Leore, who obviously became super successful 607 00:26:21,224 --> 00:26:22,784 Speaker 1: and master chef and is now a. 608 00:26:22,864 --> 00:26:27,864 Speaker 4: Really well like obviously who oh really Okay, wow, I 609 00:26:28,024 --> 00:26:29,904 Speaker 4: clearly know not one chef. 610 00:26:29,944 --> 00:26:30,944 Speaker 2: Actually that's not true. 611 00:26:30,984 --> 00:26:34,264 Speaker 3: I know Gordon Ramsey, Yeah, I know, the weird anti 612 00:26:34,344 --> 00:26:36,184 Speaker 3: vaxer in the Byron area. 613 00:26:36,344 --> 00:26:37,944 Speaker 1: Oh, you're gonna have to do more specific you do it? 614 00:26:37,984 --> 00:26:40,704 Speaker 1: Pete Evans, Yes, yes, that fellow, the one that wanted 615 00:26:40,744 --> 00:26:43,704 Speaker 1: to be anti vaxer and Barron Bay. Way more chef. 616 00:26:43,544 --> 00:26:48,344 Speaker 2: Anti vaxxer and Barron Bay and then I know that's it. Okay, great, Well, no, 617 00:26:48,624 --> 00:26:50,304 Speaker 2: there's a few more like Jamie Oliver Maye. 618 00:26:50,344 --> 00:26:53,184 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, all the really big internationales. Well, Adam 619 00:26:53,264 --> 00:26:56,464 Speaker 1: is very is very, very popular. He's been I'm sure 620 00:26:56,464 --> 00:26:58,264 Speaker 1: you would. Yeah, he does a lot of anyway, I 621 00:26:58,264 --> 00:27:01,304 Speaker 1: don't need to tell everyone knows except Kelly, who. 622 00:27:01,224 --> 00:27:04,504 Speaker 3: Would like me to host their cooking show, because clearly 623 00:27:04,584 --> 00:27:05,624 Speaker 3: I know a lot about it. 624 00:27:05,664 --> 00:27:07,624 Speaker 1: Adam's got a really interesting take because not only is 625 00:27:07,664 --> 00:27:09,624 Speaker 1: he a chef a cookbook author, but he also has 626 00:27:09,624 --> 00:27:12,744 Speaker 1: a background as an intellectual property lawyer. Also, I was like, 627 00:27:12,784 --> 00:27:15,744 Speaker 1: if anyone's going to know what is happening here is 628 00:27:15,784 --> 00:27:18,944 Speaker 1: Adam Leal. So in this piece in the Sitny Morning Herald, 629 00:27:18,984 --> 00:27:21,744 Speaker 1: he said there's a legal side, and then there's what's 630 00:27:21,784 --> 00:27:24,984 Speaker 1: accepted within any creative discipline. And he went on to 631 00:27:24,984 --> 00:27:28,384 Speaker 1: say copyright doesn't protect the recipes itself. It protects the 632 00:27:28,424 --> 00:27:32,184 Speaker 1: publication of the exact, same written form of that recipe. 633 00:27:32,304 --> 00:27:34,824 Speaker 1: So none of the recipes written in the world would 634 00:27:34,864 --> 00:27:39,024 Speaker 1: reach the standards necessary to obtain painted protection. So what 635 00:27:39,064 --> 00:27:41,624 Speaker 1: he's saying is like, yeah, you can't exactly copyright a recipe, 636 00:27:41,744 --> 00:27:44,424 Speaker 1: but there are sort of things in terms of like 637 00:27:44,864 --> 00:27:46,464 Speaker 1: the unique way you do it and all that sort 638 00:27:46,504 --> 00:27:48,744 Speaker 1: of stuff that can be copyright. And then he went 639 00:27:48,784 --> 00:27:50,584 Speaker 1: on to say, like it used to happen to him 640 00:27:50,624 --> 00:27:52,784 Speaker 1: a lot. So he obviously hasn't weighed on either of 641 00:27:52,784 --> 00:27:54,944 Speaker 1: these specific women because no one can do that because 642 00:27:54,944 --> 00:27:57,344 Speaker 1: that's we don't have the information on that, And they 643 00:27:57,464 --> 00:27:59,464 Speaker 1: both had their own side of the story, but he's 644 00:27:59,464 --> 00:28:01,704 Speaker 1: just speaking more generally. So he said, it used to 645 00:28:01,744 --> 00:28:03,784 Speaker 1: happen to me a lot when I did YouTube, And 646 00:28:03,824 --> 00:28:05,744 Speaker 1: he said he's been cooking since he was a child, 647 00:28:05,784 --> 00:28:08,584 Speaker 1: and then suddenly he'd be making a YouTube video and 648 00:28:08,584 --> 00:28:10,984 Speaker 1: there'll be ten other YouTubers make him the exact same 649 00:28:11,024 --> 00:28:13,584 Speaker 1: recipe with the same ingredients. And then he said, look, 650 00:28:13,584 --> 00:28:15,544 Speaker 1: I couldn't get too worried about it. If someone wants 651 00:28:15,544 --> 00:28:17,704 Speaker 1: to take a specific number of grams from a recipe 652 00:28:17,784 --> 00:28:20,464 Speaker 1: I wrote, then find be my guest. And then he said, 653 00:28:20,464 --> 00:28:22,544 Speaker 1: my job as a recipe writer is to bring something 654 00:28:22,584 --> 00:28:24,664 Speaker 1: new to the table. And he's, you know, kind of 655 00:28:24,664 --> 00:28:26,624 Speaker 1: saying what other people are thinking. He's like, there's millions 656 00:28:26,624 --> 00:28:28,784 Speaker 1: of recipes out there. If I'm gonna write the same 657 00:28:28,784 --> 00:28:30,624 Speaker 1: thing as anyone else, there's not much point in me 658 00:28:30,744 --> 00:28:32,584 Speaker 1: doing it. I have to take a dish and like 659 00:28:32,624 --> 00:28:34,144 Speaker 1: make it. So he's saying that, like, it's not the 660 00:28:34,184 --> 00:28:36,864 Speaker 1: recipe you protect. It's almost like the special twist you 661 00:28:36,864 --> 00:28:39,864 Speaker 1: put on it that you can almost then copyright or 662 00:28:39,944 --> 00:28:41,664 Speaker 1: keep as yours. But what I thought he said was 663 00:28:41,664 --> 00:28:44,544 Speaker 1: interesting is that he doesn't read any other cookbooks, look 664 00:28:44,584 --> 00:28:47,144 Speaker 1: at any other recipes. He just doesn't look at anyone 665 00:28:47,184 --> 00:28:49,824 Speaker 1: else's work in any way, So why God kind of 666 00:28:49,824 --> 00:28:50,384 Speaker 1: focked me. 667 00:28:50,944 --> 00:28:53,264 Speaker 3: Yeah, he and I are just such good chefs together 668 00:28:53,704 --> 00:28:55,864 Speaker 3: at anyone's cookbooks or recipes or anything. 669 00:28:55,904 --> 00:28:57,664 Speaker 1: I mean either. But I guess it's like a lot 670 00:28:57,664 --> 00:29:00,024 Speaker 1: of authors don't like look at specific books, like I 671 00:29:00,064 --> 00:29:01,824 Speaker 1: don't listen to a lot of other I do listen 672 00:29:01,864 --> 00:29:04,264 Speaker 1: to other pop culture podcasts, but not until like way 673 00:29:04,304 --> 00:29:07,344 Speaker 1: after the story is passed, because you don't want other 674 00:29:07,344 --> 00:29:09,264 Speaker 1: people's thoughts to influence what you're saying. 675 00:29:09,304 --> 00:29:13,264 Speaker 3: Listen to someone else to about beauty? Yeah, ever really 676 00:29:13,304 --> 00:29:18,184 Speaker 3: because because I wouldn't want their opinions to sway me consciously. 677 00:29:18,224 --> 00:29:20,744 Speaker 1: Like you might not even realize, but if I was 678 00:29:20,744 --> 00:29:23,264 Speaker 1: listening to someone else talk about the same subjects on 679 00:29:23,344 --> 00:29:25,024 Speaker 1: their pod as we do on the Spill every week, 680 00:29:25,064 --> 00:29:26,464 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd be able to separate my 681 00:29:26,464 --> 00:29:29,064 Speaker 1: f from there. So I sometimes listen months after when 682 00:29:29,064 --> 00:29:31,184 Speaker 1: the stories passed. I was like, was that on the 683 00:29:31,184 --> 00:29:33,864 Speaker 1: wrong side of that? But but I think a lot 684 00:29:33,904 --> 00:29:35,664 Speaker 1: of chefs are kind of the same, Like they just 685 00:29:35,744 --> 00:29:38,944 Speaker 1: look at their own work, and so it does make 686 00:29:38,984 --> 00:29:43,384 Speaker 1: it really allegedly yes, all allegedly. So yeah, it's really 687 00:29:43,384 --> 00:29:45,984 Speaker 1: blowing up, and it's sort of hard to know where 688 00:29:45,984 --> 00:29:47,464 Speaker 1: the story is going to go next. But I think, 689 00:29:47,504 --> 00:29:49,744 Speaker 1: for one thing is like Brook's not backing down with 690 00:29:49,784 --> 00:29:52,504 Speaker 1: what she's saying, and Nuggie's not backing down with what 691 00:29:52,584 --> 00:29:56,304 Speaker 1: she's saying. But now we've got this extra or of 692 00:29:56,344 --> 00:29:59,664 Speaker 1: the bakers. Now we've got more Valley's baking addiction in 693 00:29:59,704 --> 00:30:03,104 Speaker 1: the mix. So I guess has entered the chat. I 694 00:30:03,184 --> 00:30:05,744 Speaker 1: just I wish I was in all the influencer cooking 695 00:30:05,824 --> 00:30:08,504 Speaker 1: like group chats at the moment, because that's where this 696 00:30:08,584 --> 00:30:11,104 Speaker 1: conversation would really be heating up all the stuff they 697 00:30:11,104 --> 00:30:11,944 Speaker 1: can't say publicly. 698 00:30:12,064 --> 00:30:14,544 Speaker 2: She's half used, Marissa Bere, what do you think of this? 699 00:30:14,704 --> 00:30:14,864 Speaker 1: Yeah? 700 00:30:15,424 --> 00:30:17,144 Speaker 2: Yeah, to be a fly on the wall. 701 00:30:17,024 --> 00:30:18,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be so good. But that's where we are. Now. 702 00:30:19,104 --> 00:30:20,504 Speaker 1: We've got a piece that we wrote on my mere 703 00:30:20,504 --> 00:30:22,504 Speaker 1: that I'll link in the show notes, and I'll also 704 00:30:22,664 --> 00:30:24,384 Speaker 1: link the piece from the Sunday Morning Heralds, so we 705 00:30:24,424 --> 00:30:27,744 Speaker 1: have all the baking ware information. But yeah, I think 706 00:30:27,784 --> 00:30:30,024 Speaker 1: it sounds it's going to start heating off. But we're 707 00:30:30,064 --> 00:30:34,584 Speaker 1: not we're not. We're not being dismissive of it. But yeah, 708 00:30:34,584 --> 00:30:36,064 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a lot more to come. 709 00:30:36,304 --> 00:30:40,424 Speaker 3: Come on, if we're reporting on baking wars, surely we 710 00:30:40,424 --> 00:30:41,624 Speaker 3: can have a few little jobs. 711 00:30:41,624 --> 00:30:44,304 Speaker 1: No, we can, we go and it can Animal slice 712 00:30:44,744 --> 00:30:49,024 Speaker 1: go on. Well it's heating up. Okay, great, there you go. Thanks, well, 713 00:30:49,024 --> 00:30:51,104 Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening to this Spill today 714 00:30:51,224 --> 00:30:54,824 Speaker 1: and our very important, hard hitting news story on faking 715 00:30:54,864 --> 00:30:57,944 Speaker 1: and bj Novak's love life. This spill is produced by 716 00:30:57,984 --> 00:31:00,704 Speaker 1: Amy Kimball with sound production by Scott Stronik. And we'll 717 00:31:00,704 --> 00:31:03,184 Speaker 1: be back in your feed at six am tomorrow. I 718 00:31:03,184 --> 00:31:05,144 Speaker 1: don't know who's up that early with we can watch 719 00:31:05,144 --> 00:31:07,224 Speaker 1: and then our regular Friday show, so we'll see you there. 720 00:31:07,344 --> 00:31:10,304 Speaker 3: A few times a year that I watched TV will 721 00:31:10,984 --> 00:31:16,104 Speaker 3: byell It Leven