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Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to

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Speaker 2: the Spell, your daily pop culture fixed. I'm m Vernon,

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Speaker 2: I'm Tara Watson, and I'm Chelsea Woh my god. We've

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Speaker 2: got a big seat here for Weekend Watch, which is

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Speaker 2: also my favorite episode of the week.

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Speaker 1: You've got the whole entertainment team here for we.

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Speaker 2: Have the whole entertainment bench here. I've pulled in reinforcements.

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Speaker 1: LB's away.

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Speaker 2: I feel like she'd be proud of us, though until

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Speaker 2: what I'm watching and then anyway, we have a big

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Speaker 2: panel here for a week and watch because a lot

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Speaker 2: of I feel like a lot of stuff has come

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Speaker 2: make sure you keep a lookout for our Weekend Watch article,

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Speaker 2: which has all our recommendations from the whole Ends team,

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Speaker 2: because I feel like it's going to be a champ act.

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Speaker 1: The Chelsea said, a lot of work. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I pull that together.

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Speaker 2: She pulled it together, and she like is like, hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: let me know recommendations.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, send your recommendation.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, met again, Chelseafley, send me your recommendation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and often doesn't send hers at all.

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Speaker 2: Because I break the rules and sometimes I recommend something

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Speaker 2: that hasn't been out. This way, it's okay, Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: forgive you. Everyone's so much harder anyway. The thing I'm

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Speaker 3: This, and you very kindly.

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Speaker 2: On Tuesday this week, I went to the premiere for

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Speaker 2: Predator bad Lands.

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Speaker 1: I have no thoughts on that. Is that like a

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Speaker 1: scary movie Creditor, Like it's my like gap in my

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Speaker 4: To be fair, I haven't either, but I am aware.

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Speaker 4: Is it a sequel or like the reboot?

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Speaker 2: It's just like a Predator movie.

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Speaker 1: But is it like is it following on from the

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Speaker 2: It's not connected to the last one, kind of like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a standalone got you Yeah? Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: this is your first hunt when you've come to the

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Speaker 1: They can't be killed, the definitive apex Predators, you're You're

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Speaker 3: You're the prey. It was so good.

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Speaker 2: it has really great reviews if you're a fan of

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Speaker 2: the Predator franchise. So all of the Predator movies, including

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Speaker 1: Predators got their main character moment.

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Speaker 2: So The Predator does have quite a likable edit which

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Speaker 2: She plays robot that is missing half her body.

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Speaker 2: I'm in tre He's actually he's also quite good looking.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, Predator bad Lands, I feel like, if you're

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Speaker 1: This could be like you're an I'm intrigued. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: Rough gas things have been you know, where's your book going?

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Speaker 1: So this is the big movie that Robert Patterson and

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Speaker 2: Did you go to the screening of this Yes, that

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Speaker 1: No, it was like last week. It takes a while

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Speaker 1: damn it, it's not those two movies merged into one.

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Speaker 2: It's the trailer looks chaotic.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's a very confronting movie. I found it was

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Speaker 1: which SENI for Lawrence and Robert Patterson. They move from

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Speaker 1: It's not scary. Not like it's not scary, it's very disturbing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: But watching it, it's like, I literally I wish it

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Speaker 1: It's very intense, and they're they're very volatile relationship in it.

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Speaker 1: But all that said, they're both incredible in this. Jennifer Lawrence,

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Speaker 2: Play American in it, Yes, he's American.

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Speaker 1: He's actually like kind of repulsive, so you.

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Speaker 2: Go a bit really hard for him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you go into it thinking to see Edward Cullen

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Speaker 1: But he's incredible in it. She's incredible in it. It's

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Speaker 1: a very important movie. It's really hard to watch though. Okay,

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Speaker 1: just don't go into it thinking you're gonna like see it.

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Speaker 2: Is now.

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Speaker 1: It came out yesterday.

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Speaker 4: What do you have?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 4: So mine is Squid Game The Challenge Season two, which

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Speaker 3: So are you guys Squid Game fans?

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Speaker 2: I'm Squid Game fan.

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Speaker 3: What you watch?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know nothing about it?

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Speaker 3: Nothing squid games creditors.

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Speaker 4: I'm guessing there's squids and there's a game, So squid Game,

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Speaker 4: but like Global Phenomenon on Netflix basically about how there's

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Speaker 4: in this like center where they play all these really

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Speaker 4: they are Yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: Like commentary on humanity.

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Speaker 4: So Squid Game the Challenge is essentially squid Game.

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Speaker 3: But like a reality show.

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Speaker 4: No debt, I want to they're not shooting people but allegedly,

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Speaker 4: but essentially they've made like a real life version.

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Speaker 3: The sets are all identical to those It's.

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Speaker 1: So spooky because it's so such a creepy show, right.

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Speaker 4: It's so creepy and seeing those sets and like real

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Speaker 2: Do you still feel as because I remember watching season

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Speaker 2: one and season two of Squid Game, the actual series,

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Speaker 2: like you're sweating, like you're on the edge of your seats.

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Speaker 2: Do you still feel that same way watching the challenge

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Speaker 4: I think because the production value is so high and

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Speaker 4: I don't know if they've filmed at the same place,

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Speaker 4: And I think that this series really works off of

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Speaker 1: Have they cast people that have quite exaggerated personalities? Because

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Speaker 1: I from what I know of Squid Grave, I've watched

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Speaker 3: Yes, So I think what's really eerie about this?

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Speaker 4: I do recommend you watch it, even though, like I

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Speaker 4: such like a pertinent issue. But it's quite eerie to

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Speaker 1: People in squid games.

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Speaker 4: So you have people who like are wishing for other

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Speaker 3: I find that so craepy. It's so creepy where I'm like.

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Speaker 2: Are they allowed to sabotage each other?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And do they sleep together?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's the.

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Speaker 4: Same, the bump beds, like the whole thing. The setup

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Speaker 4: is exactly the same.

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Speaker 1: How long does do you know how long are they

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Actually, there's no like indication of how long they're there.

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Speaker 4: I would say like a couple months.

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Speaker 3: Probably they're sleeping. And he's like the same like Warehouse

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Speaker 3: five from the shop.

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Speaker 1: That is me that they're really replicating something that is

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Speaker 1: quite torturous. Yes, exactly that.

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Speaker 4: And I do think it's a great show in the

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Speaker 4: edge of my seat. I would recommend it in that way.

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Speaker 4: But I do feel like.

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Speaker 3: Is it kind of tone deaf?

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Speaker 4: Did we miss the point of where we are putting

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Speaker 4: these people who clearly they obviously have confessionals where they

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Speaker 4: people are quite desperate. They've got family members who need hell,

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Speaker 4: family members who are ill, things they need to pay for.

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Speaker 2: It sounds very like mister Beastie.

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Speaker 3: Yes, essentially like mister Beats Games.

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Speaker 1: And the China.

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Speaker 2: I know, mister Beasts has also done squid likeid gaming.

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it is that and there is like a

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Speaker 4: you're like these people are it's essentially what's good. Game

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Speaker 4: was like people who are desperate. You've thrown them in

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Speaker 3: And as entertainment, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know doing anything for money And in a way like,

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Speaker 1: is Netflix doing any anything for money because they know

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Speaker 1: they'll make a lot of money from this reality show? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that's something so sad about people willing to

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Speaker 4: I think it is easy to judge when you're watching

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Speaker 3: So it is a tough one. I would say it's

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Speaker 4: I would recommend it if you're a fan of that

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Speaker 4: watching him, like, did we kind of miss the point

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Speaker 4: Because these shows seem to be getting more and more popular,

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Speaker 1: Oh it's so dark, It's very dark, So it's good game.

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Speaker 3: The Challenge Season two is now out on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Tara and Chelse. We will get on that.

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