1 00:00:06,415 --> 00:00:12,815 Speaker 1: You're listening to I'm Ama Mia podcast. Good morning, Welcome 2 00:00:12,815 --> 00:00:19,654 Speaker 1: to the Quickie. I'm Claire Murphy. When news of former 3 00:00:19,695 --> 00:00:22,735 Speaker 1: Prince Andrew's arrest was made public late last week, it 4 00:00:22,775 --> 00:00:26,375 Speaker 1: took many by surprise. While powerful men's names were being 5 00:00:26,455 --> 00:00:29,215 Speaker 1: mentioned in relation to the late child sex offender Jeffrey 6 00:00:29,215 --> 00:00:32,854 Speaker 1: Epstein in the millions of documents known as the Epstein Files, 7 00:00:33,214 --> 00:00:35,214 Speaker 1: it didn't seem like too many of them would be 8 00:00:35,255 --> 00:00:37,854 Speaker 1: held accountable for the things they're being accused of being 9 00:00:37,894 --> 00:00:41,135 Speaker 1: a part of in those files. But when Andrew mount 10 00:00:41,135 --> 00:00:44,175 Speaker 1: Batten Windsor was taken into custody as his properties were 11 00:00:44,175 --> 00:00:47,614 Speaker 1: searched on Thursday, it had some wondering if this was 12 00:00:47,654 --> 00:00:50,495 Speaker 1: the beginning of the end, not just for those powerful 13 00:00:50,534 --> 00:00:52,934 Speaker 1: men who relied on the secrecy of their circles to 14 00:00:53,015 --> 00:00:55,575 Speaker 1: keep the things they've allegedly done in the shadows, but 15 00:00:55,615 --> 00:00:58,374 Speaker 1: for the royal family who've long circled the wagons in 16 00:00:58,415 --> 00:01:02,054 Speaker 1: times of controversy. Before we find out whether this is 17 00:01:02,095 --> 00:01:04,455 Speaker 1: the moment a royal is truly cut from the flock, 18 00:01:04,735 --> 00:01:06,415 Speaker 1: let's get the latest from the Quickie newsroom. 19 00:01:06,455 --> 00:01:08,455 Speaker 2: Monday, February twenty three, an. 20 00:01:08,415 --> 00:01:10,775 Speaker 1: Armed man has been shot and killed after entering the 21 00:01:10,775 --> 00:01:14,215 Speaker 1: secure perimeter of Marra Lago President Donald Trump's resort in 22 00:01:14,295 --> 00:01:17,975 Speaker 1: Palm Beach. Although Trump often spends weekends at his resort, 23 00:01:18,055 --> 00:01:20,455 Speaker 1: he was at the White House during this incident, as 24 00:01:20,575 --> 00:01:23,455 Speaker 1: was First Lady Milania Trump. The name of the person 25 00:01:23,535 --> 00:01:26,215 Speaker 1: who was shot has not been released. According to the 26 00:01:26,255 --> 00:01:28,895 Speaker 1: Secret Service, he was observed by the north gate of 27 00:01:28,935 --> 00:01:31,695 Speaker 1: the Marra Lago property carrying what appeared to be a 28 00:01:31,695 --> 00:01:34,735 Speaker 1: shotgun and a fuel can around one thirty am local 29 00:01:34,775 --> 00:01:37,455 Speaker 1: time on Sunday. The man drove through the north gate 30 00:01:37,495 --> 00:01:40,095 Speaker 1: of Marra Lago as another vehicle was exiting, and was 31 00:01:40,135 --> 00:01:43,375 Speaker 1: confronted by a Secret Service agents, where he was fatally shot. 32 00:01:43,775 --> 00:01:46,775 Speaker 1: The suspect, who was in his early twenties from North Carolina, 33 00:01:47,215 --> 00:01:49,735 Speaker 1: was reported missing a few days ago by his family. 34 00:01:50,095 --> 00:01:53,535 Speaker 1: Investigators believe he left North Carolina and headed south, picking 35 00:01:53,615 --> 00:01:56,495 Speaker 1: up a shotgun along the way. Investigators a working to 36 00:01:56,535 --> 00:02:00,335 Speaker 1: compile a psychological profile and a motive is still under investigation. 37 00:02:00,815 --> 00:02:03,615 Speaker 1: Trump has faced threats to his life before he was 38 00:02:03,655 --> 00:02:07,135 Speaker 1: wounded during an assassination attempt during a campaign rally in Butler, 39 00:02:07,175 --> 00:02:11,495 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania on July thirteen, twenty twenty four. Then, on September fifteen, 40 00:02:11,535 --> 00:02:13,935 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, a man with a rifle was captured 41 00:02:13,935 --> 00:02:16,655 Speaker 1: after waiting near Trump's golf course in West Palm Beach 42 00:02:16,935 --> 00:02:19,815 Speaker 1: while the President played around. He was sentenced to life 43 00:02:19,855 --> 00:02:23,575 Speaker 1: in prison earlier this month, the Federal opposition is calling 44 00:02:23,615 --> 00:02:26,014 Speaker 1: for laws to be titaned to stop in Islamic State 45 00:02:26,095 --> 00:02:29,975 Speaker 1: linked cohort from obtaining passports and returning to Australia. Home 46 00:02:29,975 --> 00:02:33,135 Speaker 1: Affairs Minister Tony Burke insists the threshold has not been 47 00:02:33,175 --> 00:02:36,695 Speaker 1: reached to bar the group from receiving travel documents, despite 48 00:02:36,735 --> 00:02:39,855 Speaker 1: declaring the government does not want them to return. Around 49 00:02:39,895 --> 00:02:42,775 Speaker 1: thirty four women and children tied to Australians who traveled 50 00:02:42,775 --> 00:02:44,695 Speaker 1: to the Middle East to fight for the militant group 51 00:02:45,015 --> 00:02:47,135 Speaker 1: have been trying for days to travel home from a 52 00:02:47,215 --> 00:02:50,575 Speaker 1: Syrian refugee camp. The so called isis brides had been 53 00:02:50,575 --> 00:02:54,215 Speaker 1: issued Australian passports, a right afforded to them as citizens, 54 00:02:54,295 --> 00:02:56,455 Speaker 1: but one of the women has been given a temporary 55 00:02:56,495 --> 00:02:59,815 Speaker 1: exclusion order barring her re entry for up to two years. 56 00:03:00,095 --> 00:03:03,015 Speaker 1: Mister Burke said security agencies had not passed on any 57 00:03:03,095 --> 00:03:05,375 Speaker 1: advice that would block the group from receiving the required 58 00:03:05,575 --> 00:03:08,775 Speaker 1: travel documents to return to Australia, but said we don't 59 00:03:08,815 --> 00:03:11,455 Speaker 1: want them to come back. We're actively making sure we 60 00:03:11,535 --> 00:03:14,935 Speaker 1: do nothing to help them. Opposition Home Affairs spokesman Jonathan 61 00:03:14,975 --> 00:03:17,495 Speaker 1: Dunham said laws needed to be changed to stop the 62 00:03:17,535 --> 00:03:21,495 Speaker 1: cohort from being issued passports. Communities could be cut off 63 00:03:21,495 --> 00:03:25,095 Speaker 1: in large parts of Australia disrupted by severe thunderstorms forecast 64 00:03:25,175 --> 00:03:27,855 Speaker 1: to dump hundreds of millimeters of rain. The Bureau of 65 00:03:27,935 --> 00:03:30,735 Speaker 1: Meteorology has warned that a low pressure system sitting over 66 00:03:30,815 --> 00:03:34,655 Speaker 1: central Australia is brewing a significant rain event expected to 67 00:03:34,775 --> 00:03:38,735 Speaker 1: drag into the weak ahead. Possible severe thunderstorms were forecasts 68 00:03:38,735 --> 00:03:41,855 Speaker 1: for all states and territories on Sunday, with eastern parts 69 00:03:41,895 --> 00:03:44,895 Speaker 1: of South Australia, western parts of New South Wales and 70 00:03:45,015 --> 00:03:48,735 Speaker 1: Queensland's tropical north at higher risk. More than fifty millimeters 71 00:03:48,775 --> 00:03:51,215 Speaker 1: of rain has already fallen on the South Australian regional 72 00:03:51,255 --> 00:03:54,335 Speaker 1: city of Port Augusta, a welcome change after a hot 73 00:03:54,335 --> 00:03:57,575 Speaker 1: and dry summer. Six hourly rainfall totals in the Northern 74 00:03:57,655 --> 00:04:00,015 Speaker 1: Territory could reach as high as one hundred and twenty 75 00:04:00,055 --> 00:04:03,855 Speaker 1: millimeters across the four days until Wednesday, the heaviest rainfall 76 00:04:03,895 --> 00:04:06,175 Speaker 1: totals of between one hundred and fifts fifty and more 77 00:04:06,175 --> 00:04:10,255 Speaker 1: than three hundred millimeters were expected throughout Central Australia, South 78 00:04:10,295 --> 00:04:14,135 Speaker 1: Australia's border district, Queensland and New South Wales. There's also 79 00:04:14,295 --> 00:04:17,335 Speaker 1: hope that a bullseye around central Melbourne with possible falls 80 00:04:17,375 --> 00:04:20,495 Speaker 1: of more than seventy five millimeters, could potentially put out 81 00:04:20,534 --> 00:04:23,695 Speaker 1: fires that have been burning for some time. Sofia, thunderstorms 82 00:04:23,695 --> 00:04:26,095 Speaker 1: and heavy rain are likely in central parts of Australia 83 00:04:26,095 --> 00:04:29,135 Speaker 1: and northwest New South Wales today, with flood warnings in 84 00:04:29,175 --> 00:04:32,215 Speaker 1: place from northern Australia to northern parts of South Australia 85 00:04:32,295 --> 00:04:36,415 Speaker 1: extending into Queensland. Melbourne schoolgirl Indra Brown has missed out 86 00:04:36,455 --> 00:04:39,295 Speaker 1: in her quest to become Australia's youngest Winter Olympic medallist 87 00:04:39,335 --> 00:04:42,335 Speaker 1: at just sixteen, ending up an excellent fifth in a 88 00:04:42,375 --> 00:04:45,055 Speaker 1: spectacular final of the free ski half pipe on the 89 00:04:45,095 --> 00:04:48,375 Speaker 1: last day of the Milano Cortina Games. The teen prodigy, 90 00:04:48,415 --> 00:04:51,175 Speaker 1: who soared from nowhere to top the World Cup standings 91 00:04:51,215 --> 00:04:54,175 Speaker 1: this season, had been hoping to provide a glorious flourish 92 00:04:54,255 --> 00:04:57,775 Speaker 1: to Australia's most successful Winter Games by landing medal number 93 00:04:57,815 --> 00:05:01,335 Speaker 1: seven on Sunday, but as winter sport's biggest superstar, Eileen 94 00:05:01,415 --> 00:05:04,174 Speaker 1: Goo laid down two dazzling runs to take her third 95 00:05:04,175 --> 00:05:07,255 Speaker 1: career Olympic gold. Brown didn't let herself down with the 96 00:05:07,295 --> 00:05:09,615 Speaker 1: last round run of eighty seven that thrust her from 97 00:05:09,655 --> 00:05:12,775 Speaker 1: tenth place to fifth. It was such an impressive effort 98 00:05:12,815 --> 00:05:15,455 Speaker 1: that even Goo, now the most decorated free skier in 99 00:05:15,495 --> 00:05:18,015 Speaker 1: the short history of the sport with three golds, came 100 00:05:18,055 --> 00:05:20,335 Speaker 1: across to hug the Aussie and tell her you did 101 00:05:20,415 --> 00:05:24,534 Speaker 1: so well, smiling after Goo had jokingly, Jen reflected towards her, 102 00:05:24,775 --> 00:05:27,175 Speaker 1: Brown said, it was a really special moment to have 103 00:05:27,215 --> 00:05:29,775 Speaker 1: someone I idolized give me a hug after I land 104 00:05:29,815 --> 00:05:33,294 Speaker 1: my third run at the Olympics. William Shatner, best remembered 105 00:05:33,295 --> 00:05:35,974 Speaker 1: as Captain Kirk in the Star Trek TV series, is 106 00:05:36,015 --> 00:05:38,735 Speaker 1: now turning at the age of ninety four to heavy 107 00:05:38,735 --> 00:05:41,695 Speaker 1: metal music. The Canadian posted to Instagram that he was 108 00:05:41,735 --> 00:05:44,615 Speaker 1: releasing a heavy metal album that will feature covers of 109 00:05:44,695 --> 00:05:47,895 Speaker 1: legends like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and Judas Priests, as 110 00:05:47,935 --> 00:05:51,335 Speaker 1: well as a few originals. This isn't Shatner's first foray 111 00:05:51,375 --> 00:05:55,135 Speaker 1: into the music world, releasing several spoken word tracks, including 112 00:05:55,135 --> 00:05:58,055 Speaker 1: the iconic cover of Polpe's Common People with Ben Folds, 113 00:05:58,095 --> 00:06:01,015 Speaker 1: released more than twenty years ago. That's what's happening in 114 00:06:01,015 --> 00:06:03,455 Speaker 1: the world today. Next, a former prince now has to 115 00:06:03,535 --> 00:06:06,534 Speaker 1: answer to a police investigation. What does that mean for 116 00:06:06,575 --> 00:06:09,415 Speaker 1: the Royal family and the powerful men whose names have 117 00:06:09,495 --> 00:06:20,654 Speaker 1: appeared alongside Andrew's in those millions of files. Former Prince 118 00:06:20,695 --> 00:06:24,095 Speaker 1: Andrew was arrested last week over allegations of misconduct in 119 00:06:24,175 --> 00:06:27,815 Speaker 1: public office. The allegations are in relation to business dealings 120 00:06:27,815 --> 00:06:30,975 Speaker 1: he made while working as the UK Trade Envoy. His 121 00:06:31,015 --> 00:06:33,775 Speaker 1: current home at Sandringham and two other properties were searched 122 00:06:33,975 --> 00:06:36,415 Speaker 1: and over the weekend it was also revealed that police 123 00:06:36,415 --> 00:06:39,335 Speaker 1: have been scouring his former home, the Royal Lodge at Windsor, 124 00:06:39,615 --> 00:06:41,535 Speaker 1: that his brother had been attempting to force him to 125 00:06:41,615 --> 00:06:43,815 Speaker 1: leave since the death of their mother, Queen Elizabeth in 126 00:06:43,855 --> 00:06:47,534 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. In the past three days, more allegations 127 00:06:47,535 --> 00:06:51,655 Speaker 1: have surfaced involving the former prince, including what his personal 128 00:06:51,695 --> 00:06:54,575 Speaker 1: police security saw while he was friends with the late 129 00:06:54,655 --> 00:06:58,495 Speaker 1: child sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and what King Charles knew 130 00:06:58,535 --> 00:07:01,975 Speaker 1: about his brother's alleged dodgy business dealings as leaked emails 131 00:07:02,015 --> 00:07:05,495 Speaker 1: make it to the press. Andrew Lowney is a prominent 132 00:07:05,655 --> 00:07:08,695 Speaker 1: British author and historian known for researching and writing about 133 00:07:08,735 --> 00:07:12,815 Speaker 1: scandals impacting the royal family. His latest book is entitled 134 00:07:12,975 --> 00:07:15,175 Speaker 1: The Fall of the House of York and it focuses 135 00:07:15,255 --> 00:07:17,455 Speaker 1: on the former Prince and his wife, Sarah Ferguson. 136 00:07:17,615 --> 00:07:21,095 Speaker 2: Andrew, thanks for joining us. Welcome to the quickie pleasure. Andrew. 137 00:07:21,255 --> 00:07:23,175 Speaker 1: First of all, can you give us some insight into 138 00:07:23,295 --> 00:07:27,695 Speaker 1: exactly why the former Prince Andrew Mountbatten Windsor was arrested 139 00:07:27,895 --> 00:07:28,575 Speaker 1: last Thursday. 140 00:07:28,735 --> 00:07:32,855 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know exactly why he was arrested and 141 00:07:33,055 --> 00:07:36,535 Speaker 3: how he's been cautioned, but they've seen a drip of 142 00:07:37,495 --> 00:07:41,695 Speaker 3: information from the files from Epstein in the Senate over 143 00:07:41,735 --> 00:07:45,095 Speaker 3: the last few weeks giving sort of chapter and verse 144 00:07:45,335 --> 00:07:49,695 Speaker 3: of how he's been basically revealing confidential information inside a 145 00:07:49,735 --> 00:07:54,415 Speaker 3: commercial information even though possibly military and political secrets, to 146 00:07:54,695 --> 00:07:59,695 Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein and other business associates, and he looks like 147 00:07:59,775 --> 00:08:03,575 Speaker 3: being charged with misconduct in the public office for doing so. 148 00:08:05,295 --> 00:08:07,655 Speaker 3: It also revealed that a number of women seem to 149 00:08:07,695 --> 00:08:09,815 Speaker 3: have been trafficked to him, So I suspect there may 150 00:08:09,815 --> 00:08:15,375 Speaker 3: be charges laid later on those grounds, and members of 151 00:08:15,415 --> 00:08:17,375 Speaker 3: Parliament in Britain are now calling for him to be 152 00:08:17,375 --> 00:08:21,295 Speaker 3: investigated for treason. So I think that he's got a 153 00:08:21,295 --> 00:08:23,695 Speaker 3: whole welter of things that are going to be thrown 154 00:08:23,735 --> 00:08:27,335 Speaker 3: at him. But it's kind of in a public office 155 00:08:27,415 --> 00:08:31,415 Speaker 3: carries life imprisonment as some maximum sentence, but it can 156 00:08:31,455 --> 00:08:34,255 Speaker 3: only also carry a sense of a few years. So 157 00:08:34,375 --> 00:08:36,655 Speaker 3: I suspect they're going in with the easy one, and 158 00:08:36,694 --> 00:08:39,455 Speaker 3: then that as they collect evidence, possibly from these women 159 00:08:39,455 --> 00:08:42,655 Speaker 3: who trafficked to him, if they can find them, then 160 00:08:42,695 --> 00:08:44,175 Speaker 3: there may be other charges to follow. 161 00:08:44,615 --> 00:08:46,055 Speaker 1: And you just to be clear, though, as you and 162 00:08:46,095 --> 00:08:48,455 Speaker 1: I speak right now, no charges have been laid against 163 00:08:48,455 --> 00:08:50,215 Speaker 1: the prince, Is that correct, Former Prince? 164 00:08:50,575 --> 00:08:50,775 Speaker 4: No? 165 00:08:50,975 --> 00:08:53,855 Speaker 3: I mean, I think what's fascinating is he could easily 166 00:08:53,895 --> 00:08:56,415 Speaker 3: have been called us to turn up to the police 167 00:08:56,455 --> 00:08:58,975 Speaker 3: station to be questioned. They didn't need to do a 168 00:08:59,054 --> 00:09:02,215 Speaker 3: dawn raid and cut off his means of escapes. That 169 00:09:02,295 --> 00:09:05,975 Speaker 3: seemed a bit dramatic. He's not been bailed, he's not 170 00:09:06,015 --> 00:09:09,814 Speaker 3: been cautioned. He was released after eleven hours when he 171 00:09:09,855 --> 00:09:12,455 Speaker 3: could have held him for thirty six hours. So, you know, 172 00:09:12,895 --> 00:09:15,655 Speaker 3: I wonder it could be that they have a rock 173 00:09:15,695 --> 00:09:19,335 Speaker 3: solid case and they're just basically testing a few things 174 00:09:19,335 --> 00:09:21,454 Speaker 3: and off they'll go. It may be that they don't 175 00:09:21,615 --> 00:09:23,975 Speaker 3: feel they have a strong enough case, have let him 176 00:09:24,015 --> 00:09:26,815 Speaker 3: go and are now needing to mark their case before 177 00:09:27,975 --> 00:09:29,095 Speaker 3: they cautioned him again. 178 00:09:29,575 --> 00:09:31,815 Speaker 1: Andrew, do you think the reason they did the arrest 179 00:09:31,815 --> 00:09:34,375 Speaker 1: in the dawn raid is a reflection of the fact 180 00:09:34,415 --> 00:09:37,135 Speaker 1: that Andrew has been asked many times to come forward 181 00:09:37,175 --> 00:09:39,335 Speaker 1: to speak to them about the allegations of women being 182 00:09:39,335 --> 00:09:43,295 Speaker 1: trafficked to him, especially after the revelations from Virginia Giffrey. 183 00:09:43,575 --> 00:09:47,575 Speaker 1: But there was often comments from police who said, he's 184 00:09:47,615 --> 00:09:49,775 Speaker 1: refusing to speak to us at this time. Do you 185 00:09:49,815 --> 00:09:51,855 Speaker 1: think that that raid and arrest is a reflection of 186 00:09:51,895 --> 00:09:55,495 Speaker 1: how he's handled it with the allegations of trafficking. 187 00:09:55,815 --> 00:09:58,095 Speaker 3: You can't turn down, you know, if the police say 188 00:09:58,135 --> 00:10:00,095 Speaker 3: come in for a chat and you don't come in, 189 00:10:00,175 --> 00:10:02,495 Speaker 3: then they will come and pick you up. I mean, 190 00:10:02,535 --> 00:10:06,454 Speaker 3: the background is he was asked to cooperate with victim's lawyers. 191 00:10:07,335 --> 00:10:09,814 Speaker 3: There was and also you know he's been asked to 192 00:10:09,815 --> 00:10:12,054 Speaker 3: appear in the Senate, neither of which he has to do, 193 00:10:12,135 --> 00:10:16,735 Speaker 3: and clearly if he did, would probably implicate him. What 194 00:10:16,855 --> 00:10:19,694 Speaker 3: was interesting was there was a mutual Legal Assistance treaty 195 00:10:19,775 --> 00:10:23,415 Speaker 3: that was in voked and normally that would require him 196 00:10:23,415 --> 00:10:26,255 Speaker 3: to talk to law enforcement in the States, and for 197 00:10:26,295 --> 00:10:29,815 Speaker 3: whatever reason, he was able to get around that. So 198 00:10:30,895 --> 00:10:33,535 Speaker 3: I think the situation has changed. There's far more evidence there. 199 00:10:33,655 --> 00:10:36,855 Speaker 3: I think public opinion is very much in favor of 200 00:10:36,935 --> 00:10:43,055 Speaker 3: him speaking to authorities. So I don't think he's ever 201 00:10:43,095 --> 00:10:45,175 Speaker 3: going to speak to the Senate, but I think he 202 00:10:45,255 --> 00:10:47,335 Speaker 3: is now going to clearly have to speak to the police, 203 00:10:47,375 --> 00:10:50,735 Speaker 3: and if there is an inquiry by Parliament, he will 204 00:10:50,735 --> 00:10:53,375 Speaker 3: have to give evidence on oath to them. 205 00:10:53,735 --> 00:10:55,495 Speaker 1: Edrew, can you give us an idea of what exactly 206 00:10:55,575 --> 00:10:58,055 Speaker 1: his role has traded Envoy was and what that would 207 00:10:58,095 --> 00:10:59,814 Speaker 1: have given him access to well. 208 00:10:59,855 --> 00:11:01,935 Speaker 3: He took over from the Duke of Kent, who had 209 00:11:01,935 --> 00:11:05,415 Speaker 3: had the job since nineteen seventy six. The idea was 210 00:11:05,575 --> 00:11:07,775 Speaker 3: that the soft power of the royals could reach places 211 00:11:07,775 --> 00:11:11,175 Speaker 3: that politicians couldn't, particularly in the Middle East, and his 212 00:11:11,295 --> 00:11:14,415 Speaker 3: job was to lead various trade delegations around the world 213 00:11:14,935 --> 00:11:20,215 Speaker 3: to basically develop trade an investment on Britain's behalf. The 214 00:11:20,295 --> 00:11:24,054 Speaker 3: problem was that he was bringing along his own business 215 00:11:24,054 --> 00:11:28,855 Speaker 3: associates and doing business for them, often people who had 216 00:11:29,335 --> 00:11:33,095 Speaker 3: arrangements with him, often running companies in which he had 217 00:11:33,135 --> 00:11:36,895 Speaker 3: a stake, and ambassadors were being asked to shoehorn these 218 00:11:36,935 --> 00:11:41,535 Speaker 3: people into meetings. He was using people who should have 219 00:11:41,535 --> 00:11:44,735 Speaker 3: been doing stuff for the British public to actually get 220 00:11:44,775 --> 00:11:48,255 Speaker 3: banking licenses. For example from Unchael David Rowland, who was 221 00:11:48,295 --> 00:11:51,135 Speaker 3: one of his business associates. He was taking his daughters 222 00:11:51,175 --> 00:11:55,095 Speaker 3: on these trips with all the attendant security costs and 223 00:11:55,255 --> 00:11:57,935 Speaker 3: basically he had his nosen the trough and no one 224 00:11:58,054 --> 00:11:59,334 Speaker 3: was really doing anything about it. 225 00:11:59,695 --> 00:12:01,055 Speaker 2: He mentioned David Rowland there. 226 00:12:01,135 --> 00:12:03,775 Speaker 1: There's been some speculation over the weekend that there's an 227 00:12:03,855 --> 00:12:06,615 Speaker 1: email which the Mail and Son claims to have seen 228 00:12:07,135 --> 00:12:10,495 Speaker 1: from as far back as twenty nineteen where a whistleblower 229 00:12:10,575 --> 00:12:15,255 Speaker 1: tried to tell now King Charles about Prince Andrew. Then 230 00:12:15,295 --> 00:12:20,615 Speaker 1: Prince Andrew's actions where he is using his influence for 231 00:12:20,815 --> 00:12:23,095 Speaker 1: the benefit of people like David Rowland. 232 00:12:23,495 --> 00:12:25,975 Speaker 2: And yet it seems like nothing has been done. 233 00:12:26,175 --> 00:12:28,895 Speaker 3: Yes, that was a pretty bombshell announcement. I mean, they've 234 00:12:28,895 --> 00:12:32,415 Speaker 3: had some very impressive leaks from various people over the years. 235 00:12:33,175 --> 00:12:36,415 Speaker 3: I think it's absolutely genuine. I think it does put 236 00:12:36,455 --> 00:12:40,215 Speaker 3: the count King very much in the focus now. I mean, 237 00:12:40,615 --> 00:12:43,415 Speaker 3: I've always said that the King has been complicit in 238 00:12:43,455 --> 00:12:46,855 Speaker 3: the cover up, and he needs to say what he knew, 239 00:12:46,935 --> 00:12:49,015 Speaker 3: when he knew it, and what he did about it. 240 00:12:49,415 --> 00:12:51,535 Speaker 3: I mean, clearly there's a big campaign at the moment 241 00:12:51,575 --> 00:12:54,855 Speaker 3: by the Palace to distance him, sell distance them from this, 242 00:12:54,975 --> 00:12:57,975 Speaker 3: because clearly, if he is complicit, it's going to make 243 00:12:58,015 --> 00:13:03,135 Speaker 3: his positions king very difficult. And the fact is that 244 00:13:03,175 --> 00:13:06,055 Speaker 3: over many years the Palace tried to shut the story down. 245 00:13:06,175 --> 00:13:10,495 Speaker 3: They issued denials, legal threats, there was strong arm tactics 246 00:13:10,495 --> 00:13:13,015 Speaker 3: for exampled against ABC Television in the States not to 247 00:13:13,095 --> 00:13:16,615 Speaker 3: run a program with an interview with Virginia ji Free 248 00:13:16,655 --> 00:13:19,215 Speaker 3: talking about Andrew. This was years before the story broke 249 00:13:20,535 --> 00:13:24,335 Speaker 3: and ABC, I'm afraid, bowed to that pressure, which was 250 00:13:24,375 --> 00:13:26,815 Speaker 3: basically to remove all access to members of the royal 251 00:13:26,855 --> 00:13:30,455 Speaker 3: family for interviews. So I don't think they can say 252 00:13:30,495 --> 00:13:32,815 Speaker 3: that they didn't know about it. I mean, I have 253 00:13:33,175 --> 00:13:37,695 Speaker 3: countless stories in my book entitled and in my research 254 00:13:37,935 --> 00:13:40,415 Speaker 3: of people going and complaining to the Palace to the 255 00:13:40,455 --> 00:13:43,335 Speaker 3: Queen's Private secretary and being sent away with the flee 256 00:13:43,335 --> 00:13:46,335 Speaker 3: in the air. And these are intelligence officials, the heads 257 00:13:46,375 --> 00:13:49,054 Speaker 3: of the Foreign Office and others. So I do think 258 00:13:49,095 --> 00:13:51,175 Speaker 3: this scandal is getting very close to the crown and 259 00:13:51,215 --> 00:13:53,335 Speaker 3: it may well lead to a second abdication. 260 00:13:54,054 --> 00:13:55,495 Speaker 1: We might get to that in a second, but I 261 00:13:55,535 --> 00:13:57,895 Speaker 1: wanted to touch on first the role of the police 262 00:13:58,295 --> 00:13:59,934 Speaker 1: in this too, because it has come out over the 263 00:13:59,975 --> 00:14:03,694 Speaker 1: weekend that from the Epstein files there is some information 264 00:14:04,015 --> 00:14:09,895 Speaker 1: that the Prince's Protection Order, who are British police, were 265 00:14:10,575 --> 00:14:14,575 Speaker 1: given a task of security at Jeffrey Epstein's home at 266 00:14:14,575 --> 00:14:17,895 Speaker 1: a dinner party that the Prince attended in twenty ten, 267 00:14:18,855 --> 00:14:20,975 Speaker 1: and that they are being called on to come forward 268 00:14:21,095 --> 00:14:24,895 Speaker 1: as potential witnesses to any illegal activity that the Prince 269 00:14:24,975 --> 00:14:28,295 Speaker 1: might have been involved in at the time. What can 270 00:14:28,335 --> 00:14:29,855 Speaker 1: we draw from the fact that police are trying to 271 00:14:29,895 --> 00:14:33,975 Speaker 1: investigate this when potentially their own officers might be involved 272 00:14:34,575 --> 00:14:35,735 Speaker 1: in covering this up. 273 00:14:36,055 --> 00:14:38,335 Speaker 3: Yes, well, I mean that's always been the great worry. 274 00:14:38,495 --> 00:14:41,255 Speaker 3: I mean I actually did an FOI to the metropor 275 00:14:41,295 --> 00:14:44,375 Speaker 3: Fan Police and asking if they've done any investigation into 276 00:14:44,575 --> 00:14:47,615 Speaker 3: Andrew and they refuse to even answer it. I mean, 277 00:14:47,615 --> 00:14:50,135 Speaker 3: we now have seven police forces across the country looking 278 00:14:50,175 --> 00:14:53,935 Speaker 3: at and including a plus the National Crime Agency, and 279 00:14:53,975 --> 00:14:57,255 Speaker 3: that I imagine has been coordinated by the Crime Prosecution Service, 280 00:14:57,335 --> 00:15:00,335 Speaker 3: so I hope there won't be scope for any corruption. 281 00:15:00,975 --> 00:15:04,495 Speaker 3: But yes, I mean it is very concerning that truly 282 00:15:04,535 --> 00:15:07,935 Speaker 3: product protection offic were turning a blind eye. The man 283 00:15:07,975 --> 00:15:12,975 Speaker 3: who ran the Royal Protection, a man called Loughborough or 284 00:15:13,015 --> 00:15:15,055 Speaker 3: the Earl of ross and Peter Lufborough or the Earl 285 00:15:15,095 --> 00:15:19,135 Speaker 3: of Roslin, is actually private secretary to the King and 286 00:15:19,615 --> 00:15:23,055 Speaker 3: Queen Camilla, and so it all looks like it's a 287 00:15:23,215 --> 00:15:27,375 Speaker 3: very cozy inside job, so we say, and I've certainly 288 00:15:27,375 --> 00:15:32,855 Speaker 3: seen letters to Protection officers as recently as December warning 289 00:15:33,015 --> 00:15:36,015 Speaker 3: them of their obligations of confidentiality and telling them not 290 00:15:36,055 --> 00:15:39,295 Speaker 3: to speak out. So we're getting something that's been said 291 00:15:39,295 --> 00:15:41,935 Speaker 3: in public and actually very different things going on in private. 292 00:15:42,855 --> 00:15:45,135 Speaker 3: And again this is why the King needs to come clean. 293 00:15:45,335 --> 00:15:47,215 Speaker 3: He does need to make a statement to make it 294 00:15:47,255 --> 00:15:50,335 Speaker 3: clear that everyone who went on these trips with Andrew, 295 00:15:50,375 --> 00:15:54,895 Speaker 3: the equeries, the secretaries, the balots, everyone should speak openly 296 00:15:54,935 --> 00:15:57,415 Speaker 3: to the police. They should make their own files available. 297 00:15:58,055 --> 00:16:01,015 Speaker 3: There were numerous complaints about Andrew, there would have been reports, 298 00:16:01,375 --> 00:16:05,735 Speaker 3: those should be available to law enforcement. So I think 299 00:16:05,735 --> 00:16:08,255 Speaker 3: it's the old story of smoke and mirror's window dressing, 300 00:16:08,975 --> 00:16:12,095 Speaker 3: and they're saying one thing and doing something completely different. 301 00:16:12,615 --> 00:16:17,135 Speaker 1: Well, what is the potential blowout of this for King Charles, 302 00:16:17,175 --> 00:16:21,255 Speaker 1: because as you mentioned, it could potentially lead to another abdication. 303 00:16:21,655 --> 00:16:22,575 Speaker 2: What does he do from here? 304 00:16:22,655 --> 00:16:24,735 Speaker 1: Does he come clean and say yes, I was aware 305 00:16:24,735 --> 00:16:27,535 Speaker 1: of these dealings, but we tried to handle it in house, 306 00:16:27,575 --> 00:16:30,175 Speaker 1: like can anything save him if he is to admit 307 00:16:30,215 --> 00:16:31,335 Speaker 1: to anything at this point. 308 00:16:31,375 --> 00:16:34,175 Speaker 3: Well, it depends what he knew and what he did. 309 00:16:35,335 --> 00:16:39,215 Speaker 3: But I think his position is very dangerous. You know, 310 00:16:39,295 --> 00:16:42,575 Speaker 3: clearly they didn't expect this Epstein material to be released. 311 00:16:43,135 --> 00:16:47,375 Speaker 4: And they're kind of paddling furiously now to see what 312 00:16:47,415 --> 00:16:51,415 Speaker 4: they can say. So no, I think he's you know, 313 00:16:51,535 --> 00:16:53,615 Speaker 4: as more and more evidence comes out, and I suspect 314 00:16:53,695 --> 00:16:57,535 Speaker 4: it will implicating other members of the royal household. I 315 00:16:57,535 --> 00:16:59,895 Speaker 4: mean they will say perhaps that King Charles didn't see it, 316 00:16:59,895 --> 00:17:02,655 Speaker 4: It went to private secretaries. The Queen dealt with it, 317 00:17:03,175 --> 00:17:05,975 Speaker 4: but he was in effect co ruling with the Queen 318 00:17:06,014 --> 00:17:07,895 Speaker 4: for the last few years of her reign. He's been 319 00:17:08,895 --> 00:17:11,294 Speaker 4: the king for the last few years. This is a 320 00:17:11,294 --> 00:17:15,855 Speaker 4: problem that goes way back. And Andrew was basically an 321 00:17:15,854 --> 00:17:18,215 Speaker 4: accident waiting to happen. So I think it's going to 322 00:17:18,215 --> 00:17:20,534 Speaker 4: be very difficult to keep his hands clean. I mean, 323 00:17:20,574 --> 00:17:24,574 Speaker 4: the wagons are circling and I think it's looking very 324 00:17:24,655 --> 00:17:26,814 Speaker 4: dangerous for him. We've had a lot of editorials and 325 00:17:27,135 --> 00:17:29,814 Speaker 4: pieces in the various papers today, including from papers like 326 00:17:29,854 --> 00:17:33,814 Speaker 4: The Telegraph of the Times which are normally quite supportive 327 00:17:33,814 --> 00:17:37,614 Speaker 4: of the monarchy. And I think most importantly the BBC, 328 00:17:37,734 --> 00:17:40,895 Speaker 4: which is very cautious as a national broadcaster, has put 329 00:17:40,935 --> 00:17:44,174 Speaker 4: a series of questions to the Palace about what they 330 00:17:44,294 --> 00:17:47,334 Speaker 4: knew and they've refused to answer any of those questions. 331 00:17:47,854 --> 00:17:51,454 Speaker 1: Just finally, I want to touch on the UK government 332 00:17:51,494 --> 00:17:54,334 Speaker 1: potentially looking at removing Andrew from the line of succession. 333 00:17:54,774 --> 00:17:56,934 Speaker 1: What would that entail and do you think that actually 334 00:17:56,935 --> 00:17:57,455 Speaker 1: will happen? 335 00:17:57,774 --> 00:18:00,415 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a slightly relevance. I mean people 336 00:18:00,415 --> 00:18:02,175 Speaker 3: are very keen for it to happen. I mean there's 337 00:18:02,175 --> 00:18:04,774 Speaker 3: no chance for him either taking on a role as 338 00:18:04,814 --> 00:18:08,494 Speaker 3: Council of State or sending the throne. It is a 339 00:18:08,534 --> 00:18:11,654 Speaker 3: slight anomally, but it does require parliamentary time, and I 340 00:18:11,734 --> 00:18:14,335 Speaker 3: just don't think the Royal family want issues of royal 341 00:18:14,375 --> 00:18:17,814 Speaker 3: privilege and accountability debated in Parliament, so they're going to 342 00:18:17,814 --> 00:18:19,895 Speaker 3: be very keen to push if it happens, to push 343 00:18:19,895 --> 00:18:23,614 Speaker 3: it through without any proper debate. If you remember the 344 00:18:23,614 --> 00:18:26,014 Speaker 3: abdication crisis, I mean it was literally pushed through in 345 00:18:26,014 --> 00:18:29,414 Speaker 3: an afternoon, but that was a voluntary giving up of 346 00:18:29,695 --> 00:18:33,095 Speaker 3: his role, and I think the pressure has been put 347 00:18:33,135 --> 00:18:35,695 Speaker 3: on Andrew to do that, and that might solve their problems. 348 00:18:36,935 --> 00:18:38,774 Speaker 3: I think it's far more important that we focus on 349 00:18:38,975 --> 00:18:42,414 Speaker 3: Andrew being held to account and the role family I 350 00:18:42,455 --> 00:18:46,175 Speaker 3: think beginning to move to greater transparency about the way 351 00:18:46,254 --> 00:18:49,215 Speaker 3: they deal with the press, with their records, management, with 352 00:18:49,294 --> 00:18:52,694 Speaker 3: their finances. You know, they're far too secretive and this 353 00:18:52,854 --> 00:18:55,574 Speaker 3: is how Andrew has been allowed to get away with 354 00:18:55,655 --> 00:18:58,614 Speaker 3: what is an effect financial corruption at the heart of 355 00:18:58,695 --> 00:18:59,494 Speaker 3: the Royal family. 356 00:18:59,854 --> 00:19:01,854 Speaker 2: Andrew, thank you so much for joining us today. We 357 00:19:01,895 --> 00:19:03,774 Speaker 2: appreciate you giving us some of your time. Thank you, 358 00:19:04,054 --> 00:19:04,854 Speaker 2: that's a pleasure. 359 00:19:05,614 --> 00:19:08,854 Speaker 1: Keep you updated as this story continues to unfold. Thanks 360 00:19:08,854 --> 00:19:10,814 Speaker 1: for taking the time to feed your mind with us today. 361 00:19:11,054 --> 00:19:14,415 Speaker 1: The Quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy and Taylor Strano. 362 00:19:14,574 --> 00:19:18,135 Speaker 1: Our Group Executive producer is Alaria Brophy, with audio production 363 00:19:18,294 --> 00:19:25,614 Speaker 1: by Lou Hill. Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of 364 00:19:25,655 --> 00:19:28,174 Speaker 1: land and waters that this podcast is recorded on.