WEBVTT - An Urgent Theory About Kim Kardashian & Lewis Hamilton

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to I'm MoMA Mia podcast. Hello and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to MoMA Mire out Loud. It's what women are actually

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<v Speaker 1>talking about on Wednesday, the fourth of February. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Holly Wayne right. I am am.

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<v Speaker 2>Vernham and I am Jesse Stevens, and I have come

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<v Speaker 2>from a morning full of appointments and I am so unprepared.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think this is going to be a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Of punt well to make yourself feel better while you're away,

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<v Speaker 3>holl And, I attempted to do an ad and all

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<v Speaker 3>we did was break the studio.

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<v Speaker 1>I kicked out a cord, I broke things. Things were

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<v Speaker 1>too loud, things are too quiet. So things have going

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<v Speaker 1>really well.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm severely lacking in facts. But what I did find

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<v Speaker 2>is that I have a lot of facts on hand

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<v Speaker 2>about Lewis Hamilton.

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<v Speaker 3>What that I die have to fall in here?

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<v Speaker 1>In here, Oh my goodness, I'm going to be here

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<v Speaker 1>for the girlies who do not know what F one

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<v Speaker 1>even is. Anyway, that's a hint about what's made our

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<v Speaker 1>agenda for today. But here is what is on it.

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<v Speaker 1>A neighbors star, a rewritten pop song, and a South

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<v Speaker 1>Park knockoff. Inside the Australian political campaign that seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be working.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus, as Jesse mentioned before, Kim Kardashian has ruined my

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<v Speaker 3>life specifically, which was quite mean.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't spoken about and we've been saving it and

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<v Speaker 2>I just neede Holy to leave the room and you

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<v Speaker 2>and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Are going to be talking about Kim's new boyfriend. I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard he's a big day stop just stop.

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<v Speaker 2>And a viral sub stack this week says it's almost

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<v Speaker 2>never a bad idea to shut up. So what matters

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<v Speaker 2>more being right or not being annoying?

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<v Speaker 1>But first, in case you missed it, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>he did. Did who watch the Grammys or bits of

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<v Speaker 1>the Grammys or snippets of the Grammys?

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw chapel grown snipples.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's lucky because that's what we're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>discussing out of the whole Grammys.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what we're going to be discussing.

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<v Speaker 1>I also saw Harry Styles in green ballet flats and

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<v Speaker 1>a cropped crossed jacket. That interesting. Someone said he's in

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<v Speaker 1>this millennial Mum era jeans and the nice top here

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<v Speaker 1>for it. And of course the amazing Benito who bad

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<v Speaker 1>Bunny super Bowl next week? I think, yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>all exciting. But anyway, blah blah blah blah blah, nipples.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, were they her real nipples? No?

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<v Speaker 1>They were not, thank God.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I was so stressed out that whole time because

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<v Speaker 3>she was wearing this dress and it looked like the

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<v Speaker 3>dress was hanging off nipple piercer. Yes, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>someone better not pull that dress by actually lot or.

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<v Speaker 1>Tread on the edge of the dress like oral grabbing

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<v Speaker 1>our nipples and sympathy. But so Chapel Rowan, who is

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal pop star and who is probably arriving

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<v Speaker 1>in the country like right now, because she's about to

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<v Speaker 1>play around the country for Laneway, So she's probably right

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<v Speaker 1>now prepared, like looking up shoey on her like how

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<v Speaker 1>do I do one? On her phone? Have you got

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<v Speaker 1>your ticket?

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<v Speaker 2>Hole?

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I did, but I'm too old to go.

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<v Speaker 1>If she was doing a side show, I'd be there,

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<v Speaker 1>like at the back like with a baseball. Come see me,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can see you.

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<v Speaker 4>But no.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, So Chapel wore this outfit, she wore this cape

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<v Speaker 1>and then she took it off and as you've said, Emma,

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<v Speaker 1>it was dangling off her nips. But we got a

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<v Speaker 1>full rundown today from the experts behind the look about

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<v Speaker 1>what was really going on there. Here's a little grab

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<v Speaker 1>from Pop Sugar Fashion about what was happening.

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<v Speaker 5>We're prosthetics, and we got the inside scoop from the

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<v Speaker 5>artists who designed that dress is literally suspended from NIPPLORINGX.

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<v Speaker 5>Asthetics artist Sasha Glasser used a custom prosthetics from out

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<v Speaker 5>of Kity, enforced it with powermash and pierced the jewelry

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<v Speaker 5>directly through it so it could actually halt.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like a lot of work, a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's something called apparently prosthetic pasties. Pasties are the

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<v Speaker 1>things you stick on your.

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<v Speaker 3>Nips, which is what I thought it was because when

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<v Speaker 3>I zoomed in there wasn't an areola.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but apparently they also said that was very deliberate.

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<v Speaker 1>So Sasha Glassner, who was just named, checked in that

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<v Speaker 1>she's a big deal, like aesthetic makeup artist, so she

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<v Speaker 1>does those things that you know, make you look like

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<v Speaker 1>you've got those pointy cheekbones and you know, howns or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>She posted about it said this is my work, and

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<v Speaker 1>apparently they wanted as well as obviously to protect hashtag

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<v Speaker 1>save the nips. But also they gave it this look

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<v Speaker 1>which was very deliberate. Apparently I think maybe they get

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<v Speaker 1>around Instagram and social media is not people band, but

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<v Speaker 1>they said, for artistic purposes to give it a completely

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<v Speaker 1>blank Barbie like.

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<v Speaker 2>Appearance, because that was the thing, right, is that the

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<v Speaker 2>Grammys is happening the most talked about outfit. We were

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<v Speaker 2>sitting here in the office going, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>we're a large to post that on Instagram because we're

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<v Speaker 2>per Measured's guidelines. They would have removed it or said

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<v Speaker 2>it was nudity, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. So you couldn't quite see it. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you could see nips, be you couldn't quite see it.

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<v Speaker 1>But also because she's savvy, she had this sometimes her

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<v Speaker 1>hair was covering them so you could still get the

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<v Speaker 1>chaps on the more conservative sites.

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<v Speaker 2>And what did you think? Because I thought it was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it loved it, very.

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<v Speaker 1>Fun, loved it, loved it. What are the Grammys for

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<v Speaker 1>if it's not that kind of caper? But I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to say, what's up with the soft kids these days?

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<v Speaker 1>Because when that dress was first on the runway, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's designed by tiery mugler. I think he's French. He

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<v Speaker 1>was like a big deal in the nineties. He was

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<v Speaker 1>like the guy with the oh you wouldn't know the reference.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry. I don't understood anything, only just did a

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<v Speaker 1>little just doing, like George Michael for Anywhere, Never Mine.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a big deal fashion designer and he first put

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<v Speaker 1>that dress down the runway in nineteen ninety eight, and

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<v Speaker 1>the model did have the real deal nipple rings holding

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<v Speaker 1>it up. So all I'm saying is, kids these days

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<v Speaker 1>not tough enough. It's catching strays.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I have breaking scarless gossip news that made me cry.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk us through it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, this is what happened. Talk us through It was

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<v Speaker 3>the day of the Grammys, right, My whole feed was

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<v Speaker 3>all Grammy's, Grammys, Grammies, Grammyes, Grammys. Something else cut through.

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<v Speaker 2>So you woke up. It was just an ornery dat.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just any hey.

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<v Speaker 3>It was an article on page six and it was

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<v Speaker 3>sources say Kim Kardashian has checked into a manner in

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<v Speaker 3>the countryside with Lewis Hamilton.

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<v Speaker 1>The English Countryside, English Country.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk to me about your first visceral, emotional, physical reaction.

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<v Speaker 3>My first reaction was like, no, no, no, it's only

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<v Speaker 3>also say, can you.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell some of us to Lewis Hamilton is. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I do know, but like not everybody is quite as

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<v Speaker 1>sat as you.

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<v Speaker 3>Lewis Hamilton is, I will say, the most famous driver

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<v Speaker 3>in Formula one right now. I think, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 3>he's the best driver in history. He's won seven championships

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<v Speaker 3>age depending who you are. There's a lot of controversy

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<v Speaker 3>around that.

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<v Speaker 1>We can we not go into that. Okay, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>around a long time, right, he's been.

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<v Speaker 3>Around a long time. Anyway. I was like, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>this isn't happening. The next day I woke up to

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<v Speaker 3>some grainy photos. There was photos and a video, and

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<v Speaker 3>the video was them getting out of the same car

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<v Speaker 3>in front of a very romantic looking hotel in Paris

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<v Speaker 3>and then going into the hotel together. And I had

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<v Speaker 3>a bit of a cry, Oh you please please tell

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<v Speaker 3>me that is an overstatement, because why would you cry

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<v Speaker 3>that Kim Kardashian, who dates loads of sportsmen all the time,

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<v Speaker 3>and Lewis Hamilton, who dates loads of famous people all

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<v Speaker 3>the time, at dating each other.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the least surprising news of all time.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, firstly, I do have to say I was pmsing,

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<v Speaker 3>so if you have to factor tact check me on

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<v Speaker 3>that fact check back. But have you heard of the

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<v Speaker 3>Kardashian Curse?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, with the K the K.

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<v Speaker 3>Kendall Jenner recently did a Super Bowl ad with a

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<v Speaker 3>sports betting company and she poked fun of the Kardashian curse,

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<v Speaker 3>which a lot of sports fans believe that if a

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<v Speaker 3>Kardashian dates a sports person like an NBA player, then

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<v Speaker 3>their career ends up tanking.

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<v Speaker 1>So your tears are not because you were like but

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<v Speaker 1>I thought Lewis was waiting for me or something. Your

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<v Speaker 1>tears were because, right do you think this.

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<v Speaker 3>Is going to make him lose both things? I think

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<v Speaker 3>right now the F one season hasn't started. They're doing

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<v Speaker 3>the testing. He's doing really well in testing as and

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<v Speaker 3>like could potentially get an eight championship.

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<v Speaker 1>How is he distracting himself with hot sex?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I think he's telling us that he actually doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>want to go for it anymore and now he just

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<v Speaker 3>wants to have No I'm not okay, I'm not Jesse.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a thing. Well, Luca came over and told me

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that this happened in a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>relationships where it was like, the third leg of our

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<v Speaker 2>relationship has revealed itself, and my friend's dating your friend.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he came over and he was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>have gossip because he knows that that will excite me

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<v Speaker 2>and cheer me up. And he said, Louis, do you

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<v Speaker 2>ever get excited when he has gossip for you? Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>because he knows that that's my lovely page. So he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>sit down. Lewis Hamilton and Kim Kardashian are dating. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like what. And then I woke up the

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<v Speaker 2>next morning and I said, I feel as though I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't give you enough, Like I feel as though I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't truly express my feelings about it. I actually haven't

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<v Speaker 2>stopped thinking about it. I lost sleep over it. Here

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<v Speaker 2>are my feelings right. Lewis Hamilton, to my mind, is

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<v Speaker 2>the most eligible bachelor on the planet. He is a

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<v Speaker 2>forty one year old man who is worth something like

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred million Australian dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Like small potatoes compared to what kimm You.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, yes, exactly, he's the poor one in that relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>But also he sold his private jet because he wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to be more climate friendly, Yes, exactly so he could

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<v Speaker 3>just if he wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>A good As far as I can see, Touchwood a

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<v Speaker 2>good man. He came from very humble beginnings, which is

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<v Speaker 2>very rarely the case in formula one. He has done

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<v Speaker 2>so much for the representation of the black community in

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<v Speaker 2>a very white, very rich sport. He's gentle, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>like sportsmanship and the way he speaks like I just

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<v Speaker 2>I have.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also dated a lot of the world's hottest women. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so not a crime to like a celebrity, No, it's not,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't exactly suggest like humble model like. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like he's been dating nurses until this point, is

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<v Speaker 1>my point.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's hard for him to meet them and because

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<v Speaker 2>of where he socializes hard. What's important is that he

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<v Speaker 2>dated Nicole.

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<v Speaker 3>Quite a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>You wish your girlfriend was hot like her.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the reports that I have read prior to today,

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<v Speaker 2>because I didn't have time but children, big discussion between

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<v Speaker 2>both of them whether or not they wanted them, blah

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>Kim has lots of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, no bad blood, and Kim's a few years older

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<v Speaker 2>than him, and so I'm kind of going Lewis like,

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<v Speaker 2>how we feeling?

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<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we thinking that we're moving into our family era?

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<v Speaker 1>He's just so speaking laid in a fancy hotel in

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<v Speaker 1>the Cotswolds. Guys like I don't think they're burried.

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<v Speaker 2>It does feel like a distraction from the upcome.

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<v Speaker 3>Because if you also think about it, like most most

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<v Speaker 3>most importantly, they're height appropriate. She's five two and he's

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<v Speaker 3>like five eighths?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he under six one?

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<v Speaker 1>He's a tiny man. Don't you have to be kind

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<v Speaker 1>of Look, I'm gonna inflame a lot of people now

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<v Speaker 1>when I say this.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't make me cry, Please, don't make He is beneath her.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no question about why you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>mean in this discussion. Wrong beneath Kimmy, who straddles all

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<v Speaker 1>before her, right, Like I feel a little bit betrayed

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<v Speaker 1>because I put myself through two hours of a Kim

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<v Speaker 1>Kardashian interview this week, because remember we talked on what

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<v Speaker 1>day was That seems like a year ago. It was Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>So much has happened. We talked on Monday about how

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<v Speaker 1>on her interview with her sister Chloe, she talked about

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<v Speaker 1>Harry and Meghan. Right. So I listened to two hours

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<v Speaker 1>of that interview, and there is a point at which

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<v Speaker 1>Chloe is very straightforward and says, everyone wants to know

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<v Speaker 1>who you're dating. You haven't dated anyone for ages, like ages,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like, not dating, not dating at all, don't

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<v Speaker 1>care about it. It's just all about my kids now.

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<v Speaker 1>I just blah blah blah blah blah. Five seconds later,

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<v Speaker 1>when she is with a Cotswolds fella.

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<v Speaker 2>You have famously predicted that she one day.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, I think I've sold her short

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<v Speaker 1>in that because I know that a lot of you

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<v Speaker 1>people think that the Kimmi has no principles.

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<v Speaker 3>She does like, okay, the dog thing, we need to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the dog thing.

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<v Speaker 1>She clears that up in that Chloe interview too. She

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<v Speaker 1>says she's got six dogs living in her house.

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<v Speaker 3>Where are they?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, why would she show them to you?

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<v Speaker 3>Or she just says they're here. I'm like, no, they're not,

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<v Speaker 3>they're not here.

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<v Speaker 2>And lowis Lewis's dog, Rosco.

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<v Speaker 3>His dog passed away and it was his best friend,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and he doesn't even know Kim's dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>They're probably all bonding over the dogs and all the things.

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<v Speaker 1>He is perfect for her, right because when I was

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<v Speaker 1>listening to that interview, I mean perfect for a fling.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm not saying that they should be getting married.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I sold her short in the Elon. I

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<v Speaker 1>think even Kim would be getting a big ick from

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<v Speaker 1>Elon these days. She does like to get people out

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<v Speaker 1>of prison and stuff. Just don't diss my Kim. But

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<v Speaker 1>also when she was talking about how she's not into dating,

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, well, who the hell is she going

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<v Speaker 1>to date? Because I was thinking, take billionaire guys. They

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<v Speaker 1>used to be hot to date, you know, like Miranda

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<v Speaker 1>Kerm married one, but these days they're all a bit

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<v Speaker 1>on the nose and they're getting a bit older. She

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<v Speaker 1>and all the Karadashians have said how they're so done

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<v Speaker 1>with sportsman. You know my controversial position that Lewis Hailton

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<v Speaker 1>probably really a sportsman. Okay, all I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>What I've enjoyed thinking about is Christmas at Chris Jenna's house.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so she's going to host Christmas this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we're early, but you know it.

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<v Speaker 3>We're getting ahead of our February the fourth, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Timothy is obviously going to be there, Timothy shall May

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<v Speaker 2>will be there with Timmy Kylie. Who knows where they'll be.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, will they be pregnant, will they be engaged?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Lewis Hamilton walks in. It's like, I just

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<v Speaker 2>love the mingling of all these different people from all

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<v Speaker 2>these different worlds. I also read that Kendall, like there

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<v Speaker 2>were roomors about Kendall and Lewis Hamilton friends.

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<v Speaker 1>For very long, seem to be friends with a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of suit models. Anyway, Look, we have to move on,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want to need to pull back the curtain

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<v Speaker 1>on one thing. Jesse, when I sent this to you

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram, I sent you the story probably one of

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty million people who did what did you reply?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>She replied, what is it with those Kardashians. They must

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<v Speaker 1>have magic vaginas? Is there any man that they can't get?

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<v Speaker 2>True? You can pull anyone, like imagine living in the

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<v Speaker 2>world knowing that you could point at all those like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>especially going.

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<v Speaker 3>From David sent to Lewis Hamilton. Yeah, like in my head,

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't make sense, Like they're from a different worlds.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Kanye like they're just not.

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<v Speaker 2>On the same continue wom It's like she doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a type. That's what kind of surprises me.

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis Hamilton has a type though, that's what she wants.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I think they had a lovely night.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, try to move on, to move on.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. The weirdest thing about that story is it

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<v Speaker 2>they checked out at eleven am, which is like, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't think checkout applied to them.

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<v Speaker 3>They then for the late checkout.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, he's teaching her, He's bringing her back

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<v Speaker 3>down to earth. Holly, they got a call frugal.

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<v Speaker 1>She lives on a budget. Guys, she lives on a budget.

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<v Speaker 1>She told Chloe that too. I'm sure enough. Up next,

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<v Speaker 1>I promise we are moving on. How an Australian former

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<v Speaker 1>pop star became one of the world's most effective political influences,

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<v Speaker 1>and why she's turned her attention back home.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey out loud as it's mea. I'm back in your

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<v Speaker 4>ears on Tuesdays and Thursdays in subs episodes, and yesterday

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<v Speaker 4>Holly m and I had a great chat about Karl

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<v Speaker 4>Stefanovic's new podcast, Sydney Sweeney's new only fans adjacent lingerie line,

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<v Speaker 4>and also the Millennia documentary. Tomorrow. I'm going to pick

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<v Speaker 4>up my chat about the female emaciation era. You loved it,

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<v Speaker 4>and I really wanted Holly and Jesse to weigh in

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<v Speaker 4>loll literally on the topic because you're interested in it

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<v Speaker 4>and so we So if you're not already a subscriber

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<v Speaker 4>and you want to hear what we've got to say,

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<v Speaker 4>follow the link in the show notes to get us

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<v Speaker 4>in your ears five days a week.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, who remembers Holly Valance? You would certainly perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely millennial territory right, yeap.

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<v Speaker 3>She was big for me, but you still don't really

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<v Speaker 3>know who she is.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me refresh you or indeed to introduce it

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<v Speaker 1>to you. Here meet Holly Valance. You need to google

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<v Speaker 1>this video where not now because that would be unprofessional.

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<v Speaker 1>But as soon as we get out of here, we

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<v Speaker 1>should have a little blast of Kiss Kiss, the two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and two pop smash from Holly Valance that I

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<v Speaker 1>remember and the world remembers, mostly because she was naked

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<v Speaker 1>in the video for it, and at the time that

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<v Speaker 1>was really shocking, do you remember, Yeah, lots of writhing

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<v Speaker 1>around looking really gorgeous, and that was because she was

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<v Speaker 1>one of neighbour's big breakout stars. So she was on

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<v Speaker 1>neighbors for ages and then in those days, back in

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<v Speaker 1>those times, they used to pluck people from neighbors and

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<v Speaker 1>send them to Britain and say, turn this person into

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<v Speaker 1>a pop star.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like a contemporary of Delta Gudrun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so she went to London to become a pop star,

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<v Speaker 1>and indeed she did. And then she married a billionaire,

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal property developer called Nick Candy, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she became an al right, power player. Plot twist, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's not usually what happens.

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<v Speaker 3>But they're still making songs.

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<v Speaker 1>No, well until now. We're going to get to that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you've been paying attention, you'd know that she

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<v Speaker 1>married Nick Candy, who's the bazillionaire. They have just broken up.

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<v Speaker 1>So they broke up last year. They were married for

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen years, they've got kids, they haven't finished their settlement yet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be big, right, because he's worth a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money, Nick Candy. For a while, there was

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<v Speaker 1>the treasurer of the Reform Party, which in UK politics,

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<v Speaker 1>the Reform Party used to be the Brexit Party. Is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of and these comparisons are imperfect. But let's go

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<v Speaker 1>with it for the purposes of this. They're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>one nation. They're like a very right wing, very anti

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<v Speaker 1>immigration party led by Nigel Farage, right who's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a British Trump, or certainly fancies himself as a British

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<v Speaker 1>Trump and is besties with Nigel. She herself because as

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<v Speaker 1>a part of that power couple with Nick Candy, they

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<v Speaker 1>became very influential in conservative politics in Britain. She's spoken

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<v Speaker 1>this big rally called Popcorn. She gives lots of soundbites

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<v Speaker 1>about how Britain's gone to the dogs, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. She doesn't believe in climate change. She

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<v Speaker 1>thinks that Nigel farg is going to save them. She

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<v Speaker 1>held one of the biggest Trump fundraising parties in Britain

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<v Speaker 1>for the twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>Election in Britain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because he wants support from all over the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Money funding, money, money, money, money, money, Yeah right, so

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<v Speaker 1>she had one of the big parties there. Faraj and

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<v Speaker 1>her have been over to mar A Lago lots of

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<v Speaker 1>times lately. She's been seen since the split with Candy.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that anyone's insinuating there's anything romantic going on. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think, but she's been seen a lot with this

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<v Speaker 1>guy called Tommy Robinson, who's a really controversial dude who's

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<v Speaker 1>the leader of a party called the English Defense League,

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<v Speaker 1>which sounds exactly like it is. He's been in jail

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<v Speaker 1>lots of times. But she basically has positioned herself as

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal power player, not just some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like post a child, but she actually is a power

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<v Speaker 1>player in that which is of right wing politics in Britain.

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<v Speaker 1>Right She has said, I think everyone starts off as

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<v Speaker 1>lefty and then wakes up at some point after you

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<v Speaker 1>starty the making money, working, trying to run a business,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to buy a home, and you realize what crap

0:19:27.194 --> 0:19:29.994
<v Speaker 1>ideas they are and you go to the right. She

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<v Speaker 1>thinks that Australia has become too woke. So that brings

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<v Speaker 1>us to why we're talking about it today. So Reform,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the party she supports in Britain, is polling

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<v Speaker 1>really well in the UK at the moment, and partly

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<v Speaker 1>because they're conservative, they're traditional conservative opposition are in disarray.

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<v Speaker 1>They're really like coming through, surging through as a populist alternative.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that sound familiar to anyone to what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>here right now? Yes, so, Holly the Lance has collaborated

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<v Speaker 1>with One Nation, apparently at the request of Pauline Hanson,

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<v Speaker 1>on a song for their new movie. If you are

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<v Speaker 1>confus used about why One Nation has a movie, would

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<v Speaker 1>you like me to like you or would you like

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<v Speaker 1>me to stop talking now? Because it's all making you

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<v Speaker 1>feel a bit better?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I would like to know that because it's feeling

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<v Speaker 2>a bit Millennia.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, well it's not very.

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<v Speaker 1>Milania because it's a cartoon, right, an animation, So the movie, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>an animation. So the movie is called a super progressive movie,

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<v Speaker 1>and what it actually is is it's a full length

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<v Speaker 1>feature film built from all the cartoon clips that One

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<v Speaker 1>Nation have been using for more than a year now

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of invigorate their bass, take the piss out

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<v Speaker 1>of woke politics, do lots of kind of set the

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<v Speaker 1>limbs on hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I if I wanted to this weekend? Can I

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<v Speaker 2>go to the cinema?

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<v Speaker 1>So it hasn't been widely released, like you know, Anaconda

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<v Speaker 1>or something, but it has been doing screenings around the country,

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<v Speaker 1>funded by obviously political donations, and Pauline's been traveling around

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<v Speaker 1>and appearing at them and it is available for streaming anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>The song from it, because every movie needs a song,

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<v Speaker 1>brings us back to Holly. Holly Valance has re recorded

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<v Speaker 1>a version of Kiss Kiss called please Hold This is

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<v Speaker 1>very important. It's called kiss Kiss My Ass and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a smart take, I know. And the song's lyrics have

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<v Speaker 1>been rewritten to poke the bear of transphobia. Basically, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to give you the lyrics because they are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty gross, but let's just say that in the lyrics

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<v Speaker 1>there's lots of talk about pronouns, penises, vaginas. You get

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<v Speaker 1>the gist. The thing is, it's all supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>comedy and satire.

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<v Speaker 3>And why am I not laughing?

0:21:42.834 --> 0:21:48.474
<v Speaker 1>Well and yet right, So it's very interesting because this

0:21:48.834 --> 0:21:52.194
<v Speaker 1>is a very deliberate strategy copied from America, really right,

0:21:52.354 --> 0:21:57.714
<v Speaker 1>which is use humor. Use humor again in inverted commas,

0:21:57.874 --> 0:22:01.074
<v Speaker 1>there's notically funny, but you know, use humor and piss

0:22:01.154 --> 0:22:05.514
<v Speaker 1>taking and poking lots of culture war issues that will

0:22:05.514 --> 0:22:07.914
<v Speaker 1>get shared. So these clips, until it became a full

0:22:07.954 --> 0:22:10.114
<v Speaker 1>length movie, just live on social and they're shared around

0:22:10.274 --> 0:22:13.754
<v Speaker 1>probably on somebody related to all of our Facebook somewhere,

0:22:13.914 --> 0:22:16.194
<v Speaker 1>and you know, they're on TikTok and they kind of

0:22:16.194 --> 0:22:20.434
<v Speaker 1>play into that strategy very much. For an Ossie audience

0:22:20.594 --> 0:22:23.954
<v Speaker 1>is probably smarter again because we like to pride ourselves

0:22:23.994 --> 0:22:27.434
<v Speaker 1>on not taking ourselves too seriously. Right, But Holly has

0:22:27.514 --> 0:22:29.594
<v Speaker 1>said that Pauline asked to do it, she thought it

0:22:29.634 --> 0:22:32.354
<v Speaker 1>was hilarious and she really wants to support one nation

0:22:32.554 --> 0:22:34.434
<v Speaker 1>in this election, not that there's an election.

0:22:34.554 --> 0:22:38.194
<v Speaker 2>She's also Holly was doing an interview in the last

0:22:38.434 --> 0:22:42.194
<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours with someone on a free speech channel

0:22:42.514 --> 0:22:45.914
<v Speaker 2>where she used the R word very flippantly and the

0:22:45.954 --> 0:22:49.474
<v Speaker 2>person said, we don't use that word on this channel,

0:22:49.514 --> 0:22:51.593
<v Speaker 2>and then she had a big kind of blow up

0:22:51.634 --> 0:22:56.034
<v Speaker 2>about free speech. And I think that that really shows

0:22:56.474 --> 0:22:58.553
<v Speaker 2>where they're all at and who they're trying to appeal to.

0:22:58.674 --> 0:23:01.154
<v Speaker 2>They're trying to appeal to the person who feels as

0:23:01.154 --> 0:23:03.394
<v Speaker 2>though they've been on the wrong side of the culture

0:23:03.434 --> 0:23:08.033
<v Speaker 2>wars for the last ten twenty years. And I watched

0:23:08.114 --> 0:23:10.834
<v Speaker 2>a few clips from the film to try and get

0:23:10.874 --> 0:23:15.434
<v Speaker 2>a sense of it, and the music clip it's like

0:23:15.434 --> 0:23:16.833
<v Speaker 2>an attempt at south Park.

0:23:17.114 --> 0:23:20.634
<v Speaker 1>It's like a sort of south parky knockoff. It's sort

0:23:20.674 --> 0:23:26.474
<v Speaker 1>of it follows for alleged progressives traveling around Australia, and

0:23:26.474 --> 0:23:28.274
<v Speaker 1>you can imagine like the kind of situation.

0:23:28.474 --> 0:23:31.033
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's also there's one scene where and I

0:23:31.034 --> 0:23:34.754
<v Speaker 2>don't understand the full context of this, but where they

0:23:34.834 --> 0:23:38.954
<v Speaker 2>appeared to blow up Ularu. There are jokes about, oh,

0:23:39.034 --> 0:23:41.434
<v Speaker 2>we wake up every morning and we do our apology

0:23:41.634 --> 0:23:43.714
<v Speaker 2>and you know, white men are in shackles and all

0:23:43.754 --> 0:23:48.594
<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff feels very one note. But I

0:23:48.634 --> 0:23:53.274
<v Speaker 2>was reading what the creators of it have said, and

0:23:53.674 --> 0:23:56.754
<v Speaker 2>clearly this is an attempt to appeal to young people.

0:23:57.154 --> 0:23:59.234
<v Speaker 3>So one nation is which you I'm young people.

0:24:00.114 --> 0:24:02.474
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that it's like because this is clearly

0:24:02.474 --> 0:24:06.754
<v Speaker 2>a social media YouTube TikTok, Instagram play right, Like, I

0:24:06.834 --> 0:24:10.954
<v Speaker 2>can't imagine that boomers are necessarily looking at this.

0:24:11.114 --> 0:24:14.234
<v Speaker 1>I don't know they'd be seeing it on Facebook's on YouTube.

0:24:14.314 --> 0:24:16.634
<v Speaker 1>There's a significant boomer population.

0:24:16.754 --> 0:24:18.914
<v Speaker 2>But it's funny how the right are trying to like

0:24:19.034 --> 0:24:20.114
<v Speaker 2>reclaim comedy.

0:24:20.234 --> 0:24:21.674
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's what's really interesting.

0:24:21.914 --> 0:24:25.474
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that they're trying to go where funny, we don't

0:24:25.514 --> 0:24:29.994
<v Speaker 2>take ourselves too seriously and now one, two three the

0:24:30.074 --> 0:24:33.794
<v Speaker 2>left loses it. And that's why in the mainstream press

0:24:33.874 --> 0:24:36.834
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, which is necessary. People go, I watched it,

0:24:36.994 --> 0:24:39.394
<v Speaker 2>so you don't have to, and here's what I think.

0:24:39.914 --> 0:24:41.513
<v Speaker 2>And you can call it offensive and you can call

0:24:41.554 --> 0:24:45.394
<v Speaker 2>it crude, and they're like and they go, yeah, that's

0:24:45.394 --> 0:24:51.434
<v Speaker 2>the point. And Pauline Hanson twenty years ago was She's

0:24:51.474 --> 0:24:57.513
<v Speaker 2>always been dismissed as unseerious and as unrefined, and.

0:24:57.634 --> 0:25:00.354
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of like what my opinion of her has

0:25:00.394 --> 0:25:03.474
<v Speaker 3>been has been just a joke, a joke. She's been

0:25:03.514 --> 0:25:05.954
<v Speaker 3>a joke, a non dangerous one in the sense of,

0:25:06.034 --> 0:25:08.314
<v Speaker 3>like I was told she could never really rise up

0:25:08.474 --> 0:25:11.474
<v Speaker 3>in yeah politics here in Australia, and the fact that

0:25:11.514 --> 0:25:15.954
<v Speaker 3>she's leaning into her being a joke makes me go, oh.

0:25:15.874 --> 0:25:20.394
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, is now being a joke doesn't marginalize you.

0:25:20.434 --> 0:25:23.594
<v Speaker 2>It might mainstream you. And I think that I've had

0:25:23.754 --> 0:25:27.154
<v Speaker 2>so many different people in different circles, from politics, to

0:25:27.234 --> 0:25:31.274
<v Speaker 2>media to friends say in the last fortnight, I'm really

0:25:31.314 --> 0:25:34.114
<v Speaker 2>worried about this Pauline Hanson one Nation thing and how

0:25:34.114 --> 0:25:34.954
<v Speaker 2>it's building women.

0:25:35.074 --> 0:25:37.834
<v Speaker 1>Well you should be if it's not. You know, I

0:25:37.834 --> 0:25:40.834
<v Speaker 1>don't want to assume the way that everybody feels about

0:25:41.234 --> 0:25:43.674
<v Speaker 1>one Nation and Pauline Hanson. I don't think it would be,

0:25:43.714 --> 0:25:46.194
<v Speaker 1>as we said on Monday, surprising to know where we stand.

0:25:46.234 --> 0:25:50.553
<v Speaker 1>But people should take them seriously because as the like

0:25:50.594 --> 0:25:52.914
<v Speaker 1>in Britain, as the traditional right here is kind of

0:25:52.954 --> 0:25:54.914
<v Speaker 1>in a bit of disarray at the minute. Obviously the

0:25:54.994 --> 0:25:58.033
<v Speaker 1>Nationals and the Libs have fallen out. Liberal Party voting

0:25:58.114 --> 0:26:00.754
<v Speaker 1>is in the toilet one nation are coming through strongly.

0:26:00.794 --> 0:26:03.074
<v Speaker 1>They have never pulled so strongly. The polls are and

0:26:03.074 --> 0:26:05.594
<v Speaker 1>this isn't just being reported in you know, what you

0:26:05.674 --> 0:26:09.154
<v Speaker 1>might term as right leaning press, it's everywhere. They're polling

0:26:09.154 --> 0:26:11.634
<v Speaker 1>as high as twenty six percent, which is a lot.

0:26:11.434 --> 0:26:14.914
<v Speaker 2>Right and Pauline specifically as like a preferred.

0:26:14.554 --> 0:26:17.674
<v Speaker 1>Leader, yes, higher than Susan Lee. Like they're definitely. And

0:26:17.714 --> 0:26:20.954
<v Speaker 1>the thing is about that is it's easy to dismiss

0:26:20.994 --> 0:26:22.954
<v Speaker 1>and roll your eyes and go, I remember when she

0:26:23.074 --> 0:26:24.874
<v Speaker 1>was just a joke. I remember when she wore burker

0:26:24.874 --> 0:26:28.114
<v Speaker 1>in Parliament, which she's done twice, which is, you know, ridiculous.

0:26:28.354 --> 0:26:30.194
<v Speaker 1>But if you look at what's happening in Britain and

0:26:30.194 --> 0:26:32.234
<v Speaker 1>you look at what's happened in the US, it's something

0:26:32.274 --> 0:26:35.474
<v Speaker 1>to take seriously. And the thing is that's interesting about

0:26:35.514 --> 0:26:38.394
<v Speaker 1>the British comparison is that it was only twenty twenty

0:26:38.394 --> 0:26:41.354
<v Speaker 1>four when their labor government won in a landslide. Right

0:26:41.434 --> 0:26:45.554
<v Speaker 1>and now Reform, who are the populist right Party, are

0:26:45.594 --> 0:26:48.874
<v Speaker 1>preferred government by quite a long way. Right, they're saying

0:26:48.874 --> 0:26:51.634
<v Speaker 1>if there was an election today. So I think one

0:26:51.674 --> 0:26:54.274
<v Speaker 1>of the things that's interesting about this is we should

0:26:54.274 --> 0:26:57.593
<v Speaker 1>absolutely take them seriously. It might not be Pauline Hanson

0:26:57.674 --> 0:26:59.874
<v Speaker 1>because she actually is a senator and it's quite confusing

0:26:59.914 --> 0:27:01.754
<v Speaker 1>whether or not she could jump to be you know,

0:27:01.794 --> 0:27:04.754
<v Speaker 1>the private story a long time. Yeah, But also there's

0:27:04.794 --> 0:27:09.033
<v Speaker 1>Barnaby Joyce, more traditional liberal labor ANDPS are defecting to

0:27:09.114 --> 0:27:11.874
<v Speaker 1>one nation. So basically they've got momentum. They've got some

0:27:11.914 --> 0:27:14.554
<v Speaker 1>momentum at the minute, and it's like take them seriously.

0:27:14.674 --> 0:27:17.754
<v Speaker 1>But also I would say take a leaf out of

0:27:17.794 --> 0:27:20.194
<v Speaker 1>listening to some of the messages in this. And I

0:27:20.234 --> 0:27:23.074
<v Speaker 1>don't mean about the culture war issues. I mean about

0:27:23.114 --> 0:27:28.194
<v Speaker 1>the people's exhaustion with feeling constantly scolded, lecture, told off.

0:27:28.314 --> 0:27:31.674
<v Speaker 1>Is it's become a tired thing to say, But there

0:27:31.834 --> 0:27:34.594
<v Speaker 1>is a portion of that that this kind of comedic

0:27:34.714 --> 0:27:39.314
<v Speaker 1>campaigning really works for. So dismissing it, just as dismissing

0:27:39.354 --> 0:27:42.313
<v Speaker 1>Trump as a crazy orange guy or Nigel Farage's an

0:27:42.394 --> 0:27:46.793
<v Speaker 1>unseerious reality star. It's not helping. Holly Valance really is

0:27:47.314 --> 0:27:50.674
<v Speaker 1>an influential power player, not just the person from Kiss Kiss.

0:27:51.634 --> 0:27:51.794
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

0:27:51.874 --> 0:27:55.554
<v Speaker 1>I need to jump in with a gorilla recommendation because

0:27:55.554 --> 0:27:57.954
<v Speaker 1>I'm not on Friday's show Friends, because this week it's

0:27:57.994 --> 0:28:00.513
<v Speaker 1>my daughter's sixteenth and I have to go and spend

0:28:00.514 --> 0:28:01.513
<v Speaker 1>some time with my children.

0:28:01.594 --> 0:28:03.754
<v Speaker 3>Imagine that it's rude.

0:28:04.194 --> 0:28:06.874
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I can't not tell you about the Take That

0:28:06.914 --> 0:28:08.914
<v Speaker 1>Door documentary I watched on the weekend.

0:28:08.634 --> 0:28:10.553
<v Speaker 2>Okay, because that kid's popping up on my Netflix and

0:28:10.554 --> 0:28:11.874
<v Speaker 2>I can't decide whether I'll watch it or.

0:28:11.914 --> 0:28:13.754
<v Speaker 1>Our quick question for em do you know who take

0:28:13.794 --> 0:28:14.073
<v Speaker 1>that up?

0:28:14.154 --> 0:28:18.874
<v Speaker 3>I watched the documentary where he was a monkey, Ronnie Williams.

0:28:19.874 --> 0:28:23.594
<v Speaker 1>So Robbie Williams was the Harry Styles of take That, right,

0:28:23.754 --> 0:28:25.754
<v Speaker 1>And yes, so Robbi Williams used to be and take that.

0:28:25.794 --> 0:28:27.954
<v Speaker 1>But in the nineties Take That were huge.

0:28:28.114 --> 0:28:29.034
<v Speaker 3>They were the boy band.

0:28:29.034 --> 0:28:31.194
<v Speaker 1>They were the British boy band, like modeled on Backstreet

0:28:31.194 --> 0:28:33.754
<v Speaker 1>Boys and that kind of stuff. Right, They were massive anyway,

0:28:33.834 --> 0:28:36.674
<v Speaker 1>so new documentaries dropped about them on Netflix. Now is

0:28:36.714 --> 0:28:40.714
<v Speaker 1>the whole documentary amazing, not really if you've watched all

0:28:40.754 --> 0:28:43.314
<v Speaker 1>the Robbie ones like better Man and also his documentary

0:28:43.314 --> 0:28:47.034
<v Speaker 1>that he did that was definitely a procumentary, you know. Yeah,

0:28:47.194 --> 0:28:50.154
<v Speaker 1>although it was very interesting, you've probably heard all these stories.

0:28:50.474 --> 0:28:53.274
<v Speaker 1>But it's very satisfying because the music's great. It's all

0:28:53.394 --> 0:28:55.834
<v Speaker 1>really fun. But the thing I particularly wanted to call

0:28:55.874 --> 0:28:58.034
<v Speaker 1>out because it talks to something that we've been talking

0:28:58.034 --> 0:29:01.114
<v Speaker 1>about lately with heated rivalry, right, is that take that.

0:29:01.154 --> 0:29:03.074
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I realized this, but back in nineteen

0:29:03.114 --> 0:29:05.114
<v Speaker 1>ninety one, where they've got they like the spic skills,

0:29:05.114 --> 0:29:07.674
<v Speaker 1>they kind of got formed, you know, like fake formed

0:29:07.714 --> 0:29:10.114
<v Speaker 1>by a producer who went, we need an English boy band,

0:29:10.394 --> 0:29:12.194
<v Speaker 1>got a load of kids from across the North of England,

0:29:12.234 --> 0:29:15.194
<v Speaker 1>stuck them together. They became them. They did all their

0:29:15.234 --> 0:29:19.234
<v Speaker 1>training ground for years playing gay clubs and schools, right,

0:29:19.314 --> 0:29:21.754
<v Speaker 1>so they would go and do school halls in the

0:29:21.794 --> 0:29:25.314
<v Speaker 1>afternoon and then two or three gay clubs every night

0:29:25.554 --> 0:29:28.954
<v Speaker 1>around all of the North of England. So they're honing

0:29:28.994 --> 0:29:33.354
<v Speaker 1>their talents at driving the audience crazy in these two

0:29:33.514 --> 0:29:38.314
<v Speaker 1>distinct categories of young girls and gay men at nightclubs

0:29:38.314 --> 0:29:41.154
<v Speaker 1>at night, were any of the members gay. None of

0:29:41.194 --> 0:29:43.594
<v Speaker 1>them have ever come out as gay, so I can't

0:29:43.634 --> 0:29:45.514
<v Speaker 1>really answer that question, but not that we know of.

0:29:46.034 --> 0:29:48.394
<v Speaker 1>It's just amazing to watch because what it makes you

0:29:48.474 --> 0:29:50.434
<v Speaker 1>realize is you see how they built this fan base

0:29:50.474 --> 0:29:53.634
<v Speaker 1>and then how the sort of you know, the machiavellian

0:29:53.714 --> 0:29:57.074
<v Speaker 1>mind behind it. The producer realizes that if he can

0:29:57.194 --> 0:29:59.554
<v Speaker 1>get the girls to go crazy and he can get

0:29:59.594 --> 0:30:01.914
<v Speaker 1>you know, in inverted commas, the gays to go crazy,

0:30:01.954 --> 0:30:05.634
<v Speaker 1>then the mainstream will come. Is also just makes me

0:30:05.634 --> 0:30:07.514
<v Speaker 1>think about this conversation we've been having a lot lately

0:30:07.554 --> 0:30:11.154
<v Speaker 1>about straight women loving heated rivalry and were all like, oh,

0:30:11.234 --> 0:30:13.914
<v Speaker 1>why did the straight women like watching these handsome gay

0:30:13.914 --> 0:30:16.674
<v Speaker 1>men getting it on? And you're like, there's always been

0:30:16.714 --> 0:30:19.434
<v Speaker 1>a lot of crossover there, right, And hormones are hormones.

0:30:19.794 --> 0:30:20.434
<v Speaker 1>That's so true.

0:30:20.474 --> 0:30:21.554
<v Speaker 3>So I loved that part of it.

0:30:21.594 --> 0:30:23.434
<v Speaker 1>All the history is really good, and then it gets

0:30:23.474 --> 0:30:26.554
<v Speaker 1>really into the fallout between the main guy of take that,

0:30:26.554 --> 0:30:28.634
<v Speaker 1>which is Gary Barlow, who wrote all the songs and

0:30:28.714 --> 0:30:31.434
<v Speaker 1>kept all the money, and Robbie who was going off

0:30:31.474 --> 0:30:33.354
<v Speaker 1>the rails. He was only sixteen when he joined and

0:30:33.434 --> 0:30:36.474
<v Speaker 1>was doing this like school slash gape anyway, it's really

0:30:36.794 --> 0:30:40.714
<v Speaker 1>such a rough time. From the documentary, he's been through

0:30:40.754 --> 0:30:43.394
<v Speaker 1>a lot, but they all have. It's really good. It's

0:30:43.394 --> 0:30:44.594
<v Speaker 1>on Netflix. It's called Take That.

0:30:44.874 --> 0:30:45.914
<v Speaker 2>Is it a series or one?

0:30:45.954 --> 0:30:49.074
<v Speaker 1>I think there are three? Okay, and they're like, you know,

0:30:49.394 --> 0:30:50.354
<v Speaker 1>fifty minutes long.

0:30:50.434 --> 0:30:53.554
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm going to watch that after the break.

0:30:53.714 --> 0:31:05.154
<v Speaker 2>The social politics of being right, it didn't matter that

0:31:05.234 --> 0:31:08.234
<v Speaker 2>I was correct. It mattered that I wasning. That's a

0:31:08.314 --> 0:31:10.834
<v Speaker 2>quote by Rob Long for The Ankler, in a piece

0:31:10.954 --> 0:31:14.594
<v Speaker 2>where he grapples with the social politics of being right.

0:31:15.154 --> 0:31:18.794
<v Speaker 2>He writes in this substack post, it's almost never a

0:31:18.834 --> 0:31:22.274
<v Speaker 2>bad idea to shut up when someone you're speaking to

0:31:22.634 --> 0:31:25.434
<v Speaker 2>is wrong. And he tells a few great stories. So

0:31:25.674 --> 0:31:29.234
<v Speaker 2>the first is when he was a young up and

0:31:29.274 --> 0:31:31.514
<v Speaker 2>coming writer in a writer's room. It was actually for

0:31:31.554 --> 0:31:34.834
<v Speaker 2>the television show Cheers, and they were putting together a

0:31:34.874 --> 0:31:39.194
<v Speaker 2>storyline and he interjected when it wasn't really his job

0:31:39.234 --> 0:31:42.394
<v Speaker 2>to interject, and said, oh, well, what you're talking about,

0:31:42.434 --> 0:31:44.554
<v Speaker 2>I mean that wouldn't technically be a crime, and kind

0:31:44.554 --> 0:31:46.234
<v Speaker 2>of corrected them, and he said they all looked at

0:31:46.274 --> 0:31:51.074
<v Speaker 2>him like, mate, that actually doesn't matter, that's not important.

0:31:51.194 --> 0:31:55.354
<v Speaker 2>It was sort of a youthful know it all moment

0:31:55.674 --> 0:31:58.994
<v Speaker 2>and he learned something from that, and then he tells

0:31:59.034 --> 0:32:03.834
<v Speaker 2>his other story about being much older sitting there in

0:32:03.834 --> 0:32:05.874
<v Speaker 2>New York after the New York Marathon had wrapped up,

0:32:05.874 --> 0:32:08.554
<v Speaker 2>and the waitress came over and said, the winner of

0:32:08.594 --> 0:32:11.234
<v Speaker 2>the New York Marathon is in this restaurant. He's got

0:32:11.234 --> 0:32:13.474
<v Speaker 2>this medal on and it's amazing and I'm so excited.

0:32:13.794 --> 0:32:15.914
<v Speaker 2>And he took one look at him and went, I

0:32:16.034 --> 0:32:18.354
<v Speaker 2>know for an absolute fact that man did not win

0:32:18.394 --> 0:32:20.474
<v Speaker 2>the New York Marathon today. I know that it was

0:32:20.514 --> 0:32:25.034
<v Speaker 2>an Ethiopian man and that is not him. And you're confused,

0:32:25.394 --> 0:32:27.874
<v Speaker 2>but he went, what's the point. I'm not going to

0:32:27.914 --> 0:32:29.354
<v Speaker 2>say it. I'm not going to ruin her day. She's

0:32:29.434 --> 0:32:31.714
<v Speaker 2>new to New York. She thinks everyone who has a medal,

0:32:31.754 --> 0:32:35.394
<v Speaker 2>which is fifty thousand people one great. I'm just going

0:32:35.474 --> 0:32:38.434
<v Speaker 2>to go with it. And so the big question that

0:32:38.514 --> 0:32:43.434
<v Speaker 2>he kind of asks is what is the currency of

0:32:43.514 --> 0:32:48.114
<v Speaker 2>being right? And I thought this was an almost countercultural idea,

0:32:48.394 --> 0:32:53.674
<v Speaker 2>because every comment section is people correcting and owning people

0:32:53.754 --> 0:32:57.114
<v Speaker 2>has become a genre of entertainment in its own right.

0:32:57.954 --> 0:33:01.154
<v Speaker 2>Everyone has their own sets of facts and a conversation

0:33:02.114 --> 0:33:06.674
<v Speaker 2>very easily descends into an argument. My question is how

0:33:06.714 --> 0:33:10.434
<v Speaker 2>important is it being right? You're out at dinner tonight,

0:33:10.994 --> 0:33:13.994
<v Speaker 2>someone's saying something, You're going, I'm pretty sure that's wrong.

0:33:14.674 --> 0:33:17.634
<v Speaker 2>How often do you let it go? And in what

0:33:17.714 --> 0:33:20.554
<v Speaker 2>instances are you like, Okay, I'm actually going to correct you,

0:33:20.674 --> 0:33:23.714
<v Speaker 2>even if it means I'm being really annoy It's.

0:33:23.634 --> 0:33:28.514
<v Speaker 3>Very important being right. The only instance I would say

0:33:28.554 --> 0:33:31.994
<v Speaker 3>where maybe you shouldn't be right publicly is if it

0:33:32.154 --> 0:33:36.354
<v Speaker 3>leads to embarrassment. And that story he said about the

0:33:36.394 --> 0:33:41.234
<v Speaker 3>girl who mistook the person as winning the marathon, he

0:33:41.314 --> 0:33:43.994
<v Speaker 3>later said that he just wait till she posted on

0:33:43.994 --> 0:33:46.594
<v Speaker 3>her Instagram and then all of her followers on Instagram

0:33:46.634 --> 0:33:48.674
<v Speaker 3>can correct her. I'm like, no, the nice thing would

0:33:48.714 --> 0:33:51.114
<v Speaker 3>have been to pull her aside and be like, hey,

0:33:51.274 --> 0:33:53.434
<v Speaker 3>that guy should probably pay for his own meal because he,

0:33:53.474 --> 0:33:55.474
<v Speaker 3>in fact did not win the marathon.

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<v Speaker 2>That's actually very true, because sometimes someone says something and

0:33:58.754 --> 0:34:02.554
<v Speaker 2>you think, do I soften the blow? And this is

0:34:02.634 --> 0:34:06.594
<v Speaker 2>I reckon that with family, you always choose annoying, like

0:34:06.674 --> 0:34:08.993
<v Speaker 2>you have no second guessing. I'm like, I'm annoying with

0:34:09.034 --> 0:34:11.153
<v Speaker 2>my family all the time. I will always correct them.

0:34:11.274 --> 0:34:13.473
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know if this is a culture thing.

0:34:13.554 --> 0:34:16.274
<v Speaker 3>I'm not allowed to correct anyone older than me. I

0:34:16.354 --> 0:34:18.714
<v Speaker 3>really have been. Tell me, it's just like a thing

0:34:18.754 --> 0:34:20.554
<v Speaker 3>that you just never did. Like if I were to

0:34:20.594 --> 0:34:23.634
<v Speaker 3>correct my mum or dad in public, oh my god,

0:34:23.754 --> 0:34:26.433
<v Speaker 3>I would get it at home? Really yeah yeah yeah,

0:34:26.474 --> 0:34:29.314
<v Speaker 3>yeah yeah, And even till this day, I would never

0:34:29.354 --> 0:34:31.754
<v Speaker 3>do it publicly. Maybe in private, I'll be like, just

0:34:31.794 --> 0:34:34.754
<v Speaker 3>so you know what you said, you can't say that,

0:34:34.834 --> 0:34:36.674
<v Speaker 3>and they'll be like, oh okay. But if I did

0:34:36.674 --> 0:34:39.074
<v Speaker 3>it in public, there's no way. I even do feel

0:34:39.194 --> 0:34:41.554
<v Speaker 3>with his story about work, I also felt that in

0:34:41.594 --> 0:34:44.794
<v Speaker 3>the workplace sometimes where I feel like sometimes people are

0:34:44.914 --> 0:34:46.914
<v Speaker 3>older than me are allowed to correct me in public,

0:34:47.074 --> 0:34:48.754
<v Speaker 3>and I have to accept that. But if I were

0:34:48.794 --> 0:34:51.114
<v Speaker 3>to correct someone older than me, it's like, no way.

0:34:51.274 --> 0:34:54.674
<v Speaker 1>There's a hierarchy of power about that. Right, is that

0:34:54.834 --> 0:34:57.714
<v Speaker 1>as per this story the young person in the writer's room.

0:34:58.114 --> 0:35:00.794
<v Speaker 1>But that example, what that speaks to more is about

0:35:00.794 --> 0:35:03.514
<v Speaker 1>the experience. So I think, if you're a creative person

0:35:03.674 --> 0:35:05.954
<v Speaker 1>and you're working in a creative field, you like dealing

0:35:05.994 --> 0:35:08.194
<v Speaker 1>with ideas, right, and you'll figure out the details later.

0:35:08.354 --> 0:35:11.194
<v Speaker 1>So it's like and then the car started flying, but

0:35:11.314 --> 0:35:13.194
<v Speaker 1>cars don't like, Look, we'll find a way to make

0:35:13.194 --> 0:35:14.714
<v Speaker 1>the car flying, do you know what I mean? Like

0:35:15.154 --> 0:35:18.473
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of how it works. I'm generally of the

0:35:18.474 --> 0:35:21.074
<v Speaker 1>camp of let it go, like let if people say

0:35:21.074 --> 0:35:23.433
<v Speaker 1>the wrong word, if they've got a couple of facts wrong,

0:35:23.514 --> 0:35:25.714
<v Speaker 1>like just let it go unless it really matters. But

0:35:25.754 --> 0:35:27.954
<v Speaker 1>then is that a slippery slope to what we keep

0:35:28.394 --> 0:35:31.194
<v Speaker 1>talking about now, which is like a post facts world

0:35:31.314 --> 0:35:34.154
<v Speaker 1>and it's so important to get your facts straight, Like

0:35:34.314 --> 0:35:39.314
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think that in personal conversations there

0:35:39.354 --> 0:35:42.074
<v Speaker 1>are lots of cliches about this, which is like it's

0:35:42.074 --> 0:35:45.114
<v Speaker 1>better to be happy than right. I wonder if you

0:35:45.154 --> 0:35:47.154
<v Speaker 1>believe that, Jesse. You like to be right, I mean

0:35:47.234 --> 0:35:47.913
<v Speaker 1>I like to be right.

0:35:48.114 --> 0:35:51.913
<v Speaker 2>You have to be right. But I also have a

0:35:51.914 --> 0:35:56.714
<v Speaker 2>people pleasing element. That is, if I was speaking to

0:35:56.834 --> 0:36:01.034
<v Speaker 2>my neighbor to a you know, small talk, yea, and

0:36:01.154 --> 0:36:03.674
<v Speaker 2>often we're not going to correct then nah, And it's

0:36:03.714 --> 0:36:05.913
<v Speaker 2>like I might have done something. I might be talking

0:36:05.914 --> 0:36:09.074
<v Speaker 2>to someone later who says Lewis Hamilton, you know, thirty

0:36:09.154 --> 0:36:12.674
<v Speaker 2>nine year old Lewis Hamilton. I'd go and I'd probably

0:36:12.674 --> 0:36:17.474
<v Speaker 2>bite my tongue, even though I know, of course matter.

0:36:17.794 --> 0:36:20.474
<v Speaker 2>It's like when someone starts telling you this is a

0:36:20.474 --> 0:36:23.674
<v Speaker 2>pet peeve of mine, a story you've already heard. I

0:36:23.674 --> 0:36:26.354
<v Speaker 2>think you've got to let him tell the story. Come on, Like,

0:36:26.634 --> 0:36:29.393
<v Speaker 2>I think it's rude to kind of stop someone and go,

0:36:29.834 --> 0:36:30.714
<v Speaker 2>you've already told me.

0:36:30.674 --> 0:36:32.154
<v Speaker 3>This whatever time.

0:36:32.674 --> 0:36:34.473
<v Speaker 2>I know there's got to be a limit, doesn't there

0:36:35.114 --> 0:36:40.514
<v Speaker 2>There are people who tell the same story every time, Yeah, exactly,

0:36:40.674 --> 0:36:46.594
<v Speaker 2>and then you break your leg. But I think it's

0:36:46.594 --> 0:36:49.594
<v Speaker 2>a similar principle, which is, like, what do you do

0:36:49.754 --> 0:36:54.913
<v Speaker 2>for like social cohesion and comfort and peace because we

0:36:54.954 --> 0:36:56.754
<v Speaker 2>all know that feeling of having a know it all

0:36:56.794 --> 0:36:59.914
<v Speaker 2>at the table? Yeah, And I feel like the only

0:36:59.994 --> 0:37:02.034
<v Speaker 2>time you get to scream when you know you're right

0:37:02.154 --> 0:37:04.554
<v Speaker 2>is trivia, Like I think that's really important.

0:37:04.234 --> 0:37:06.474
<v Speaker 1>Yes, pob trivia, which obviously I do a lot of.

0:37:07.154 --> 0:37:09.154
<v Speaker 1>And the thing is is that it's nothing more embarrassing.

0:37:09.194 --> 0:37:11.594
<v Speaker 1>And I've done that on this show actually too, where

0:37:11.674 --> 0:37:15.474
<v Speaker 1>you're wrong but you are absolutely convinced of your rightness.

0:37:15.514 --> 0:37:17.594
<v Speaker 1>I remember once being on Mike and being like, I

0:37:17.594 --> 0:37:20.034
<v Speaker 1>said a thing and our producer picked me up and said, no,

0:37:20.114 --> 0:37:22.394
<v Speaker 1>that's not right, and I was so convinced of my rightness,

0:37:22.434 --> 0:37:25.074
<v Speaker 1>I got a bit crazy. Yeah, and I was wrong.

0:37:25.714 --> 0:37:28.354
<v Speaker 2>That's a thing too right, is that I saw that

0:37:28.474 --> 0:37:31.473
<v Speaker 2>headline on not being right doesn't matter to be right,

0:37:31.514 --> 0:37:35.794
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I mostly assume I'm wrong. Like

0:37:35.834 --> 0:37:39.034
<v Speaker 2>if someone starts talking and maybe you know there are

0:37:39.034 --> 0:37:41.033
<v Speaker 2>a few facts or whatever. I think you learn more

0:37:41.074 --> 0:37:43.634
<v Speaker 2>by kind of sitting back and being like, oh, where

0:37:43.674 --> 0:37:47.274
<v Speaker 2>are you coming from? Or they might have read something

0:37:47.514 --> 0:37:49.553
<v Speaker 2>completely different. But often you're wrong.

0:37:49.754 --> 0:37:53.554
<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget when I hadn't been in Australia long

0:37:53.594 --> 0:37:55.594
<v Speaker 1>and I was like trying to worm my way into

0:37:55.714 --> 0:37:58.274
<v Speaker 1>a new friend group, like this cool friend group. We

0:37:58.274 --> 0:38:01.234
<v Speaker 1>were in a bottle shop and I said that I

0:38:01.274 --> 0:38:04.994
<v Speaker 1>really liked I think. I said I really liked Savignon

0:38:05.074 --> 0:38:09.074
<v Speaker 1>Blanc right, and this girl literally corrected me right there

0:38:09.114 --> 0:38:11.033
<v Speaker 1>at the counter. Like this girl in the friend group

0:38:11.154 --> 0:38:14.354
<v Speaker 1>was like, you say so whatever she said, and I

0:38:14.394 --> 0:38:16.554
<v Speaker 1>was like, well, I'm fucking done here, aren't I Like,

0:38:16.634 --> 0:38:18.274
<v Speaker 1>that's rude. That's rude.

0:38:18.474 --> 0:38:22.514
<v Speaker 2>Every time I say moey or moet. Yeah, I get corrected.

0:38:22.634 --> 0:38:25.354
<v Speaker 1>Someone who someone who will correct you to make you

0:38:25.394 --> 0:38:27.634
<v Speaker 1>feel small, as opposed to help you.

0:38:27.954 --> 0:38:30.794
<v Speaker 3>Well, the worst thing someone's ever done to me was

0:38:30.874 --> 0:38:32.594
<v Speaker 3>I was at dinner and we were talking abou high

0:38:32.594 --> 0:38:34.554
<v Speaker 3>school musical and I was like, oh, did you know

0:38:34.674 --> 0:38:37.354
<v Speaker 3>Vanessa Hudgens is part Indian and Indian people love saying

0:38:37.394 --> 0:38:39.433
<v Speaker 3>people are Indian, so I was like, really excited about

0:38:39.434 --> 0:38:41.033
<v Speaker 3>this fact. I was like, Vanessa Hudgens a part Indian.

0:38:41.114 --> 0:38:42.194
<v Speaker 3>They're like, really is she?

0:38:42.274 --> 0:38:43.314
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, amazing And.

0:38:43.434 --> 0:38:46.114
<v Speaker 3>One of the girls got out her phone and looked

0:38:46.114 --> 0:38:48.754
<v Speaker 3>it up and was it wrong? I think I was wrong,

0:38:50.034 --> 0:38:52.433
<v Speaker 3>but like, why would you do it from me?

0:38:52.714 --> 0:38:54.473
<v Speaker 1>Let it stands look it up.

0:38:54.674 --> 0:38:55.953
<v Speaker 2>Just look fun.

0:38:56.274 --> 0:38:56.954
<v Speaker 1>That's the problem.

0:38:57.074 --> 0:38:58.034
<v Speaker 3>Actually, you're so right?

0:38:58.114 --> 0:39:01.074
<v Speaker 1>Is that being able to search things sometimes this whole thing,

0:39:01.234 --> 0:39:04.234
<v Speaker 1>So let's just roll with it. Yeah, she's totally half

0:39:04.234 --> 0:39:08.154
<v Speaker 1>Indian and correct the record, but did it really matter

0:39:08.194 --> 0:39:11.314
<v Speaker 1>around that table? Right then? Affecting your life? I have

0:39:11.394 --> 0:39:12.994
<v Speaker 1>to just put one note like I don't want to

0:39:13.034 --> 0:39:15.754
<v Speaker 1>be generalizing here, but in my house I live with

0:39:15.794 --> 0:39:20.074
<v Speaker 1>some neurodivergent people. And heart goes out to everyone who's

0:39:20.114 --> 0:39:23.593
<v Speaker 1>had this argument where you're like, why are last night's

0:39:23.594 --> 0:39:26.034
<v Speaker 1>pajamas on the floor and they'll be like, they're not

0:39:26.114 --> 0:39:29.754
<v Speaker 1>last night's. They have pajamas from two nights ago, and

0:39:29.794 --> 0:39:36.514
<v Speaker 1>you're like, it could be infuriating, but it also cannot

0:39:36.554 --> 0:39:38.953
<v Speaker 1>be helped. There are some people who are very they

0:39:39.034 --> 0:39:42.754
<v Speaker 1>need like the rightness is very important. The facts are

0:39:42.874 --> 0:39:46.154
<v Speaker 1>very important, even if they don't matter, and you need

0:39:46.434 --> 0:39:49.433
<v Speaker 1>to move past that and correct the record before you're

0:39:49.434 --> 0:39:50.274
<v Speaker 1>going to get any action.

0:39:50.394 --> 0:39:53.474
<v Speaker 2>I also wonder if it's a thing that younger people do,

0:39:53.874 --> 0:39:57.154
<v Speaker 2>the correcting. It's a thing that much older people do,

0:39:58.074 --> 0:40:00.954
<v Speaker 2>and in the middle we kind of have the wisdom

0:40:01.194 --> 0:40:04.354
<v Speaker 2>to not like I cringe thinking about myself in the

0:40:04.394 --> 0:40:08.314
<v Speaker 2>workplace in early years, and it wasn't so much. I

0:40:08.314 --> 0:40:10.873
<v Speaker 2>remember correcting someone on something I knew I was right,

0:40:11.474 --> 0:40:14.354
<v Speaker 2>but it was everything. It was my tone. I wanted

0:40:14.514 --> 0:40:17.314
<v Speaker 2>to die on this hill that probably wasn't that important,

0:40:17.354 --> 0:40:19.354
<v Speaker 2>and the way that I did it had embarrassed the

0:40:19.394 --> 0:40:21.514
<v Speaker 2>person that we were inevitably going to get into a

0:40:21.554 --> 0:40:25.474
<v Speaker 2>bit of a stalemate with it. So maybe you just

0:40:25.554 --> 0:40:27.873
<v Speaker 2>learn as you get older, I mean, to let things go,

0:40:28.034 --> 0:40:32.033
<v Speaker 2>or just a more kind of humble way to guide someone.

0:40:32.074 --> 0:40:34.034
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to know if the outlouders have any like

0:40:34.434 --> 0:40:37.274
<v Speaker 1>kind ways to correct someone, you know what I mean,

0:40:38.034 --> 0:40:41.274
<v Speaker 1>because I think that's really tricky. Is like, as you

0:40:41.314 --> 0:40:44.274
<v Speaker 1>said before, do you choose to embarrass somebody in public

0:40:44.314 --> 0:40:46.234
<v Speaker 1>by correcting them in front of everybody, or do you

0:40:46.274 --> 0:40:48.433
<v Speaker 1>take them aside afterwards or is there like a nice

0:40:48.434 --> 0:40:48.794
<v Speaker 1>way you.

0:40:48.794 --> 0:40:51.954
<v Speaker 3>Can be Like, it's interesting that your brain works that way. Yeah,

0:40:51.994 --> 0:40:53.394
<v Speaker 3>it's interesting that you think.

0:40:53.234 --> 0:40:57.993
<v Speaker 2>That I've a terrible dis I've had Lucas say things

0:40:58.034 --> 0:40:59.754
<v Speaker 2>to me like six years on going. You know, you

0:40:59.994 --> 0:41:02.594
<v Speaker 2>say that word wrong. That's the word I use all

0:41:02.634 --> 0:41:04.954
<v Speaker 2>the time, and I'm like, no, that was a first

0:41:04.954 --> 0:41:09.513
<v Speaker 2>time thing. You needed to said that on this microphone.

0:41:10.794 --> 0:41:12.914
<v Speaker 1>Friends, That is all we have time for on today's

0:41:12.954 --> 0:41:15.634
<v Speaker 1>Mamma Mia out loud. But if you're hungry for more banter,

0:41:16.034 --> 0:41:18.634
<v Speaker 1>more laughs, a bit of a holiday from the bonfire

0:41:18.674 --> 0:41:20.114
<v Speaker 1>of the world, we may have given you a bit

0:41:20.154 --> 0:41:22.114
<v Speaker 1>of that today. That Louise Hamilton thing.

0:41:23.594 --> 0:41:25.514
<v Speaker 3>That went on a long time, It's the smartest segment

0:41:25.554 --> 0:41:26.714
<v Speaker 3>in the whole episode.

0:41:27.394 --> 0:41:30.714
<v Speaker 2>I'm voting to actually edit the rest hour and just

0:41:30.794 --> 0:41:33.954
<v Speaker 2>call it Lewis Hamilton thoughts discussed exactly.

0:41:35.274 --> 0:41:39.194
<v Speaker 1>We have another show. Mama Mia has launched another big

0:41:39.234 --> 0:41:41.674
<v Speaker 1>show this week, and in fact, one of the main

0:41:41.714 --> 0:41:43.714
<v Speaker 1>hosts of its sitting in the studio with us right now,

0:41:43.794 --> 0:41:47.393
<v Speaker 1>Catherine Mahoney. She's been watching us be terribly undisciplined on

0:41:47.434 --> 0:41:50.834
<v Speaker 1>the mics today. It's called Unleashed. It's MIA's baby. You

0:41:50.914 --> 0:41:52.794
<v Speaker 1>might have heard about it. It's a show for gen

0:41:52.954 --> 0:41:55.714
<v Speaker 1>X women who just really want to laugh. It has launched,

0:41:55.714 --> 0:41:58.034
<v Speaker 1>it has dropped, It is happening. Everybody's listening to it.

0:41:58.074 --> 0:41:58.674
<v Speaker 1>Go find it.

0:41:58.954 --> 0:42:00.354
<v Speaker 2>Incredible feedback.

0:42:00.434 --> 0:42:03.114
<v Speaker 1>It has so press follow, make sure you never miss

0:42:03.114 --> 0:42:06.154
<v Speaker 1>an episode and get that in your ears. We will

0:42:06.154 --> 0:42:09.234
<v Speaker 1>be back with you tomorrow with Mia. Oh you know

0:42:09.274 --> 0:42:13.114
<v Speaker 1>what tomorrow is, Jesse. Mia made me and Jesse like

0:42:13.274 --> 0:42:16.553
<v Speaker 1>grabbed us by our ears almost and said, I need

0:42:16.594 --> 0:42:18.514
<v Speaker 1>to talk to you about that skinny stuff I was

0:42:18.554 --> 0:42:21.554
<v Speaker 1>talking about with Amelia Yea, the new age of skinny

0:42:21.594 --> 0:42:23.674
<v Speaker 1>and how we felt about it. And she knows that

0:42:23.714 --> 0:42:26.834
<v Speaker 1>we disagree with her a little bit, so she wanted

0:42:26.874 --> 0:42:27.194
<v Speaker 1>to have it.

0:42:28.754 --> 0:42:31.634
<v Speaker 2>Specifically, said, I listened to that episode and you were

0:42:31.634 --> 0:42:34.074
<v Speaker 2>wrong on this point and this point, on this point,

0:42:34.434 --> 0:42:37.074
<v Speaker 2>I was very you are wrong, and I am.

0:42:37.074 --> 0:42:38.594
<v Speaker 1>Actually, but that's you can correctly.

0:42:38.794 --> 0:42:42.194
<v Speaker 2>That's fine, Like, yeah, it's important to correct me because

0:42:42.194 --> 0:42:44.473
<v Speaker 2>otherwise she gets carried away and.

0:42:44.394 --> 0:42:46.354
<v Speaker 1>Then I agreed with her on a surprising number of

0:42:46.354 --> 0:42:50.194
<v Speaker 1>points too. So that episode, the subscriber episode with me

0:42:50.354 --> 0:42:57.913
<v Speaker 1>and Jesse and myself talking about the emaciated celebrities yead celebrities,

0:42:58.394 --> 0:43:04.274
<v Speaker 1>drops tomorrow. Anyway, I keep talking. Goodbye friends, Bye bye.

0:43:09.314 --> 0:43:12.194
<v Speaker 2>Mother. Mayor acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on

0:43:12.274 --> 0:43:13.994
<v Speaker 2>which we have recorded this podcast.