Speaker 1: You're listening to I'm MoMA Mia podcast. Hello and welcome
Speaker 1: to MoMA Mire out Loud. It's what women are actually
Speaker 1: talking about on Wednesday, the fourth of February. My name
Speaker 1: is Holly Wayne right. I am am.
Speaker 2: Vernham and I am Jesse Stevens, and I have come
Speaker 2: from a morning full of appointments and I am so unprepared.
Speaker 2: So I think this is going to be a little bit.
Speaker 3: Of punt well to make yourself feel better while you're away,
Speaker 3: holl And, I attempted to do an ad and all
Speaker 3: we did was break the studio.
Speaker 1: I kicked out a cord, I broke things. Things were
Speaker 1: too loud, things are too quiet. So things have going
Speaker 1: really well.
Speaker 2: I'm severely lacking in facts. But what I did find
Speaker 2: is that I have a lot of facts on hand
Speaker 2: about Lewis Hamilton.
Speaker 3: What that I die have to fall in here?
Speaker 1: In here, Oh my goodness, I'm going to be here
Speaker 1: for the girlies who do not know what F one
Speaker 1: even is. Anyway, that's a hint about what's made our
Speaker 1: agenda for today. But here is what is on it.
Speaker 1: A neighbors star, a rewritten pop song, and a South
Speaker 1: Park knockoff. Inside the Australian political campaign that seems to
Speaker 1: be working.
Speaker 3: Plus, as Jesse mentioned before, Kim Kardashian has ruined my
Speaker 3: life specifically, which was quite mean.
Speaker 2: We haven't spoken about and we've been saving it and
Speaker 2: I just neede Holy to leave the room and you
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 1: Are going to be talking about Kim's new boyfriend. I've
Speaker 1: heard he's a big day stop just stop.
Speaker 2: And a viral sub stack this week says it's almost
Speaker 2: never a bad idea to shut up. So what matters
Speaker 2: more being right or not being annoying?
Speaker 1: But first, in case you missed it, I don't think
Speaker 1: he did. Did who watch the Grammys or bits of
Speaker 1: the Grammys or snippets of the Grammys?
Speaker 2: I just saw chapel grown snipples.
Speaker 1: Well that's lucky because that's what we're going to be
Speaker 1: discussing out of the whole Grammys.
Speaker 3: That's what we're going to be discussing.
Speaker 1: I also saw Harry Styles in green ballet flats and
Speaker 1: a cropped crossed jacket. That interesting. Someone said he's in
Speaker 1: this millennial Mum era jeans and the nice top here
Speaker 1: for it. And of course the amazing Benito who bad
Speaker 1: Bunny super Bowl next week? I think, yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: all exciting. But anyway, blah blah blah blah blah, nipples.
Speaker 2: Right, were they her real nipples? No?
Speaker 1: They were not, thank God.
Speaker 3: Like I was so stressed out that whole time because
Speaker 3: she was wearing this dress and it looked like the
Speaker 3: dress was hanging off nipple piercer. Yes, and I was like,
Speaker 3: someone better not pull that dress by actually lot or.
Speaker 1: Tread on the edge of the dress like oral grabbing
Speaker 1: our nipples and sympathy. But so Chapel Rowan, who is
Speaker 1: a big deal pop star and who is probably arriving
Speaker 1: in the country like right now, because she's about to
Speaker 1: play around the country for Laneway, So she's probably right
Speaker 1: now prepared, like looking up shoey on her like how
Speaker 1: do I do one? On her phone? Have you got
Speaker 1: your ticket?
Speaker 2: Hole?
Speaker 1: I wish I did, but I'm too old to go.
Speaker 1: If she was doing a side show, I'd be there,
Speaker 1: like at the back like with a baseball. Come see me,
Speaker 1: but I can see you.
Speaker 4: But no.
Speaker 1: Anyway, So Chapel wore this outfit, she wore this cape
Speaker 1: and then she took it off and as you've said, Emma,
Speaker 1: it was dangling off her nips. But we got a
Speaker 1: full rundown today from the experts behind the look about
Speaker 1: what was really going on there. Here's a little grab
Speaker 1: from Pop Sugar Fashion about what was happening.
Speaker 5: We're prosthetics, and we got the inside scoop from the
Speaker 5: artists who designed that dress is literally suspended from NIPPLORINGX.
Speaker 5: Asthetics artist Sasha Glasser used a custom prosthetics from out
Speaker 5: of Kity, enforced it with powermash and pierced the jewelry
Speaker 5: directly through it so it could actually halt.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a lot of work, a lot of work.
Speaker 1: So there's something called apparently prosthetic pasties. Pasties are the
Speaker 1: things you stick on your.
Speaker 3: Nips, which is what I thought it was because when
Speaker 3: I zoomed in there wasn't an areola.
Speaker 1: Yes, but apparently they also said that was very deliberate.
Speaker 1: So Sasha Glassner, who was just named, checked in that
Speaker 1: she's a big deal, like aesthetic makeup artist, so she
Speaker 1: does those things that you know, make you look like
Speaker 1: you've got those pointy cheekbones and you know, howns or whatever.
Speaker 1: She posted about it said this is my work, and
Speaker 1: apparently they wanted as well as obviously to protect hashtag
Speaker 1: save the nips. But also they gave it this look
Speaker 1: which was very deliberate. Apparently I think maybe they get
Speaker 1: around Instagram and social media is not people band, but
Speaker 1: they said, for artistic purposes to give it a completely
Speaker 1: blank Barbie like.
Speaker 2: Appearance, because that was the thing, right, is that the
Speaker 2: Grammys is happening the most talked about outfit. We were
Speaker 2: sitting here in the office going, I don't know if
Speaker 2: we're a large to post that on Instagram because we're
Speaker 2: per Measured's guidelines. They would have removed it or said
Speaker 2: it was nudity, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So you couldn't quite see it. I mean
Speaker 1: you could see nips, be you couldn't quite see it.
Speaker 1: But also because she's savvy, she had this sometimes her
Speaker 1: hair was covering them so you could still get the
Speaker 1: chaps on the more conservative sites.
Speaker 2: And what did you think? Because I thought it was fun.
Speaker 2: I thought it loved it, very.
Speaker 1: Fun, loved it, loved it. What are the Grammys for
Speaker 1: if it's not that kind of caper? But I do
Speaker 1: want to say, what's up with the soft kids these days?
Speaker 1: Because when that dress was first on the runway, so
Speaker 1: it's designed by tiery mugler. I think he's French. He
Speaker 1: was like a big deal in the nineties. He was
Speaker 1: like the guy with the oh you wouldn't know the reference.
Speaker 1: Don't worry. I don't understood anything, only just did a
Speaker 1: little just doing, like George Michael for Anywhere, Never Mine.
Speaker 1: He's a big deal fashion designer and he first put
Speaker 1: that dress down the runway in nineteen ninety eight, and
Speaker 1: the model did have the real deal nipple rings holding
Speaker 1: it up. So all I'm saying is, kids these days
Speaker 1: not tough enough. It's catching strays.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have breaking scarless gossip news that made me cry.
Speaker 1: Talk us through it.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is what happened. Talk us through It was
Speaker 3: the day of the Grammys, right, My whole feed was
Speaker 3: all Grammy's, Grammys, Grammies, Grammyes, Grammys. Something else cut through.
Speaker 2: So you woke up. It was just an ornery dat.
Speaker 1: It's just any hey.
Speaker 3: It was an article on page six and it was
Speaker 3: sources say Kim Kardashian has checked into a manner in
Speaker 3: the countryside with Lewis Hamilton.
Speaker 1: The English Countryside, English Country.
Speaker 2: Talk to me about your first visceral, emotional, physical reaction.
Speaker 3: My first reaction was like, no, no, no, it's only
Speaker 3: also say, can you.
Speaker 1: Tell some of us to Lewis Hamilton is. I mean,
Speaker 1: I do know, but like not everybody is quite as
Speaker 1: sat as you.
Speaker 3: Lewis Hamilton is, I will say, the most famous driver
Speaker 3: in Formula one right now. I think, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: he's the best driver in history. He's won seven championships
Speaker 3: age depending who you are. There's a lot of controversy
Speaker 3: around that.
Speaker 1: We can we not go into that. Okay, it's been
Speaker 1: around a long time, right, he's been.
Speaker 3: Around a long time. Anyway. I was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: this isn't happening. The next day I woke up to
Speaker 3: some grainy photos. There was photos and a video, and
Speaker 3: the video was them getting out of the same car
Speaker 3: in front of a very romantic looking hotel in Paris
Speaker 3: and then going into the hotel together. And I had
Speaker 3: a bit of a cry, Oh you please please tell
Speaker 3: me that is an overstatement, because why would you cry
Speaker 3: that Kim Kardashian, who dates loads of sportsmen all the time,
Speaker 3: and Lewis Hamilton, who dates loads of famous people all
Speaker 3: the time, at dating each other.
Speaker 1: It's the least surprising news of all time.
Speaker 3: Okay, firstly, I do have to say I was pmsing,
Speaker 3: so if you have to factor tact check me on
Speaker 3: that fact check back. But have you heard of the
Speaker 3: Kardashian Curse?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, with the K the K.
Speaker 3: Kendall Jenner recently did a Super Bowl ad with a
Speaker 3: sports betting company and she poked fun of the Kardashian curse,
Speaker 3: which a lot of sports fans believe that if a
Speaker 3: Kardashian dates a sports person like an NBA player, then
Speaker 3: their career ends up tanking.
Speaker 1: So your tears are not because you were like but
Speaker 1: I thought Lewis was waiting for me or something. Your
Speaker 1: tears were because, right do you think this.
Speaker 3: Is going to make him lose both things? I think
Speaker 3: right now the F one season hasn't started. They're doing
Speaker 3: the testing. He's doing really well in testing as and
Speaker 3: like could potentially get an eight championship.
Speaker 1: How is he distracting himself with hot sex?
Speaker 3: Because I think he's telling us that he actually doesn't
Speaker 3: want to go for it anymore and now he just
Speaker 3: wants to have No I'm not okay, I'm not Jesse.
Speaker 2: Here's a thing. Well, Luca came over and told me
Speaker 2: and I think that this happened in a lot of
Speaker 2: relationships where it was like, the third leg of our
Speaker 2: relationship has revealed itself, and my friend's dating your friend.
Speaker 2: And so he came over and he was like, I
Speaker 2: have gossip because he knows that that will excite me
Speaker 2: and cheer me up. And he said, Louis, do you
Speaker 2: ever get excited when he has gossip for you? Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: because he knows that that's my lovely page. So he's like,
Speaker 2: sit down. Lewis Hamilton and Kim Kardashian are dating. And
Speaker 2: I was like what. And then I woke up the
Speaker 2: next morning and I said, I feel as though I
Speaker 2: didn't give you enough, Like I feel as though I
Speaker 2: didn't truly express my feelings about it. I actually haven't
Speaker 2: stopped thinking about it. I lost sleep over it. Here
Speaker 2: are my feelings right. Lewis Hamilton, to my mind, is
Speaker 2: the most eligible bachelor on the planet. He is a
Speaker 2: forty one year old man who is worth something like
Speaker 2: seven hundred million Australian dollars.
Speaker 1: Like small potatoes compared to what kimm You.
Speaker 2: Say, yes, exactly, he's the poor one in that relationship.
Speaker 3: But also he sold his private jet because he wanted
Speaker 3: to be more climate friendly, Yes, exactly so he could
Speaker 3: just if he wanted to.
Speaker 2: A good As far as I can see, Touchwood a
Speaker 2: good man. He came from very humble beginnings, which is
Speaker 2: very rarely the case in formula one. He has done
Speaker 2: so much for the representation of the black community in
Speaker 2: a very white, very rich sport. He's gentle, and he's
Speaker 2: like sportsmanship and the way he speaks like I just
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 1: He's also dated a lot of the world's hottest women. Okay,
Speaker 1: so not a crime to like a celebrity, No, it's not,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't exactly suggest like humble model like. It's
Speaker 1: not like he's been dating nurses until this point, is
Speaker 1: my point.
Speaker 2: Well, it's hard for him to meet them and because
Speaker 2: of where he socializes hard. What's important is that he
Speaker 2: dated Nicole.
Speaker 3: Quite a long time.
Speaker 1: You wish your girlfriend was hot like her.
Speaker 2: According to the reports that I have read prior to today,
Speaker 2: because I didn't have time but children, big discussion between
Speaker 2: both of them whether or not they wanted them, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah.
Speaker 1: Kim has lots of those.
Speaker 2: Yes, no bad blood, and Kim's a few years older
Speaker 2: than him, and so I'm kind of going Lewis like,
Speaker 2: how we feeling?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Are we thinking that we're moving into our family era?
Speaker 1: He's just so speaking laid in a fancy hotel in
Speaker 1: the Cotswolds. Guys like I don't think they're burried.
Speaker 2: It does feel like a distraction from the upcome.
Speaker 3: Because if you also think about it, like most most
Speaker 3: most importantly, they're height appropriate. She's five two and he's
Speaker 3: like five eighths?
Speaker 2: Is he under six one?
Speaker 1: He's a tiny man. Don't you have to be kind
Speaker 1: of Look, I'm gonna inflame a lot of people now
Speaker 1: when I say this.
Speaker 3: Don't make me cry, Please, don't make He is beneath her.
Speaker 1: There is no question about why you have to be
Speaker 1: mean in this discussion. Wrong beneath Kimmy, who straddles all
Speaker 1: before her, right, Like I feel a little bit betrayed
Speaker 1: because I put myself through two hours of a Kim
Speaker 1: Kardashian interview this week, because remember we talked on what
Speaker 1: day was That seems like a year ago. It was Monday.
Speaker 1: So much has happened. We talked on Monday about how
Speaker 1: on her interview with her sister Chloe, she talked about
Speaker 1: Harry and Meghan. Right. So I listened to two hours
Speaker 1: of that interview, and there is a point at which
Speaker 1: Chloe is very straightforward and says, everyone wants to know
Speaker 1: who you're dating. You haven't dated anyone for ages, like ages,
Speaker 1: and she's like, not dating, not dating at all, don't
Speaker 1: care about it. It's just all about my kids now.
Speaker 1: I just blah blah blah blah blah. Five seconds later,
Speaker 1: when she is with a Cotswolds fella.
Speaker 2: You have famously predicted that she one day.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I think I've sold her short
Speaker 1: in that because I know that a lot of you
Speaker 1: people think that the Kimmi has no principles.
Speaker 3: She does like, okay, the dog thing, we need to
Speaker 3: talk about the dog thing.
Speaker 1: She clears that up in that Chloe interview too. She
Speaker 1: says she's got six dogs living in her house.
Speaker 3: Where are they?
Speaker 1: Well, why would she show them to you?
Speaker 3: Or she just says they're here. I'm like, no, they're not,
Speaker 3: they're not here.
Speaker 2: And lowis Lewis's dog, Rosco.
Speaker 3: His dog passed away and it was his best friend,
Speaker 3: you know, and he doesn't even know Kim's dogs.
Speaker 1: They're probably all bonding over the dogs and all the things.
Speaker 1: He is perfect for her, right because when I was
Speaker 1: listening to that interview, I mean perfect for a fling.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not saying that they should be getting married.
Speaker 1: I think I sold her short in the Elon. I
Speaker 1: think even Kim would be getting a big ick from
Speaker 1: Elon these days. She does like to get people out
Speaker 1: of prison and stuff. Just don't diss my Kim. But
Speaker 1: also when she was talking about how she's not into dating,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, well, who the hell is she going
Speaker 1: to date? Because I was thinking, take billionaire guys. They
Speaker 1: used to be hot to date, you know, like Miranda
Speaker 1: Kerm married one, but these days they're all a bit
Speaker 1: on the nose and they're getting a bit older. She
Speaker 1: and all the Karadashians have said how they're so done
Speaker 1: with sportsman. You know my controversial position that Lewis Hailton
Speaker 1: probably really a sportsman. Okay, all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: What I've enjoyed thinking about is Christmas at Chris Jenna's house.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so she's going to host Christmas this year.
Speaker 2: I know we're early, but you know it.
Speaker 3: We're getting ahead of our February the fourth, it is.
Speaker 2: Timothy is obviously going to be there, Timothy shall May
Speaker 2: will be there with Timmy Kylie. Who knows where they'll be.
Speaker 2: I mean, will they be pregnant, will they be engaged?
Speaker 1: We don't know.
Speaker 2: And then Lewis Hamilton walks in. It's like, I just
Speaker 2: love the mingling of all these different people from all
Speaker 2: these different worlds. I also read that Kendall, like there
Speaker 2: were roomors about Kendall and Lewis Hamilton friends.
Speaker 1: For very long, seem to be friends with a lot
Speaker 1: of suit models. Anyway, Look, we have to move on,
Speaker 1: but I want to need to pull back the curtain
Speaker 1: on one thing. Jesse, when I sent this to you
Speaker 1: on Instagram, I sent you the story probably one of
Speaker 1: the twenty million people who did what did you reply?
Speaker 1: Do you remember?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: She replied, what is it with those Kardashians. They must
Speaker 1: have magic vaginas? Is there any man that they can't get?
Speaker 2: True? You can pull anyone, like imagine living in the
Speaker 2: world knowing that you could point at all those like yeah,
Speaker 2: especially going.
Speaker 3: From David sent to Lewis Hamilton. Yeah, like in my head,
Speaker 3: that doesn't make sense, Like they're from a different worlds.
Speaker 3: And then Kanye like they're just not.
Speaker 2: On the same continue wom It's like she doesn't have
Speaker 2: a type. That's what kind of surprises me.
Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton has a type though, that's what she wants.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I think they had a lovely night.
Speaker 1: Okay, try to move on, to move on.
Speaker 2: You know. The weirdest thing about that story is it
Speaker 2: they checked out at eleven am, which is like, I
Speaker 2: didn't think checkout applied to them.
Speaker 3: They then for the late checkout.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I was like, he's teaching her, He's bringing her back
Speaker 3: down to earth. Holly, they got a call frugal.
Speaker 1: She lives on a budget. Guys, she lives on a budget.
Speaker 1: She told Chloe that too. I'm sure enough. Up next,
Speaker 1: I promise we are moving on. How an Australian former
Speaker 1: pop star became one of the world's most effective political influences,
Speaker 1: and why she's turned her attention back home.
Speaker 4: Hey out loud as it's mea. I'm back in your
Speaker 4: ears on Tuesdays and Thursdays in subs episodes, and yesterday
Speaker 4: Holly m and I had a great chat about Karl
Speaker 4: Stefanovic's new podcast, Sydney Sweeney's new only fans adjacent lingerie line,
Speaker 4: and also the Millennia documentary. Tomorrow. I'm going to pick
Speaker 4: up my chat about the female emaciation era. You loved it,
Speaker 4: and I really wanted Holly and Jesse to weigh in
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Speaker 1: All right, who remembers Holly Valance? You would certainly perfect,
Speaker 1: absolutely millennial territory right, yeap.
Speaker 3: She was big for me, but you still don't really
Speaker 3: know who she is.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me refresh you or indeed to introduce it
Speaker 1: to you. Here meet Holly Valance. You need to google
Speaker 1: this video where not now because that would be unprofessional.
Speaker 1: But as soon as we get out of here, we
Speaker 1: should have a little blast of Kiss Kiss, the two
Speaker 1: thousand and two pop smash from Holly Valance that I
Speaker 1: remember and the world remembers, mostly because she was naked
Speaker 1: in the video for it, and at the time that
Speaker 1: was really shocking, do you remember, Yeah, lots of writhing
Speaker 1: around looking really gorgeous, and that was because she was
Speaker 1: one of neighbour's big breakout stars. So she was on
Speaker 1: neighbors for ages and then in those days, back in
Speaker 1: those times, they used to pluck people from neighbors and
Speaker 1: send them to Britain and say, turn this person into
Speaker 1: a pop star.
Speaker 2: She was like a contemporary of Delta Gudrun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she went to London to become a pop star,
Speaker 1: and indeed she did. And then she married a billionaire,
Speaker 1: a big deal property developer called Nick Candy, and then
Speaker 1: she became an al right, power player. Plot twist, because
Speaker 1: that's not usually what happens.
Speaker 3: But they're still making songs.
Speaker 1: No, well until now. We're going to get to that, right,
Speaker 1: So if you've been paying attention, you'd know that she
Speaker 1: married Nick Candy, who's the bazillionaire. They have just broken up.
Speaker 1: So they broke up last year. They were married for
Speaker 1: thirteen years, they've got kids, they haven't finished their settlement yet.
Speaker 1: It's going to be big, right, because he's worth a
Speaker 1: lot of money, Nick Candy. For a while, there was
Speaker 1: the treasurer of the Reform Party, which in UK politics,
Speaker 1: the Reform Party used to be the Brexit Party. Is
Speaker 1: kind of and these comparisons are imperfect. But let's go
Speaker 1: with it for the purposes of this. They're kind of
Speaker 1: one nation. They're like a very right wing, very anti
Speaker 1: immigration party led by Nigel Farage, right who's kind of
Speaker 1: a British Trump, or certainly fancies himself as a British
Speaker 1: Trump and is besties with Nigel. She herself because as
Speaker 1: a part of that power couple with Nick Candy, they
Speaker 1: became very influential in conservative politics in Britain. She's spoken
Speaker 1: this big rally called Popcorn. She gives lots of soundbites
Speaker 1: about how Britain's gone to the dogs, you know, and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. She doesn't believe in climate change. She
Speaker 1: thinks that Nigel farg is going to save them. She
Speaker 1: held one of the biggest Trump fundraising parties in Britain
Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Election in Britain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he wants support from all over the world.
Speaker 1: Money funding, money, money, money, money, money, Yeah right, so
Speaker 1: she had one of the big parties there. Faraj and
Speaker 1: her have been over to mar A Lago lots of
Speaker 1: times lately. She's been seen since the split with Candy.
Speaker 1: Not that anyone's insinuating there's anything romantic going on. I
Speaker 1: don't think, but she's been seen a lot with this
Speaker 1: guy called Tommy Robinson, who's a really controversial dude who's
Speaker 1: the leader of a party called the English Defense League,
Speaker 1: which sounds exactly like it is. He's been in jail
Speaker 1: lots of times. But she basically has positioned herself as
Speaker 1: a big deal power player, not just some kind of
Speaker 1: like post a child, but she actually is a power
Speaker 1: player in that which is of right wing politics in Britain.
Speaker 1: Right She has said, I think everyone starts off as
Speaker 1: lefty and then wakes up at some point after you
Speaker 1: starty the making money, working, trying to run a business,
Speaker 1: trying to buy a home, and you realize what crap
Speaker 1: ideas they are and you go to the right. She
Speaker 1: thinks that Australia has become too woke. So that brings
Speaker 1: us to why we're talking about it today. So Reform,
Speaker 1: which is the party she supports in Britain, is polling
Speaker 1: really well in the UK at the moment, and partly
Speaker 1: because they're conservative, they're traditional conservative opposition are in disarray.
Speaker 1: They're really like coming through, surging through as a populist alternative.
Speaker 1: Does that sound familiar to anyone to what's going on
Speaker 1: here right now? Yes, so, Holly the Lance has collaborated
Speaker 1: with One Nation, apparently at the request of Pauline Hanson,
Speaker 1: on a song for their new movie. If you are
Speaker 1: confus used about why One Nation has a movie, would
Speaker 1: you like me to like you or would you like
Speaker 1: me to stop talking now? Because it's all making you
Speaker 1: feel a bit better?
Speaker 2: No, I would like to know that because it's feeling
Speaker 2: a bit Millennia.
Speaker 3: Yes, well it's not very.
Speaker 1: Milania because it's a cartoon, right, an animation, So the movie, yeah,
Speaker 1: an animation. So the movie is called a super progressive movie,
Speaker 1: and what it actually is is it's a full length
Speaker 1: feature film built from all the cartoon clips that One
Speaker 1: Nation have been using for more than a year now
Speaker 1: to kind of invigorate their bass, take the piss out
Speaker 1: of woke politics, do lots of kind of set the
Speaker 1: limbs on hair.
Speaker 2: Can I if I wanted to this weekend? Can I
Speaker 2: go to the cinema?
Speaker 1: So it hasn't been widely released, like you know, Anaconda
Speaker 1: or something, but it has been doing screenings around the country,
Speaker 1: funded by obviously political donations, and Pauline's been traveling around
Speaker 1: and appearing at them and it is available for streaming anyway.
Speaker 1: The song from it, because every movie needs a song,
Speaker 1: brings us back to Holly. Holly Valance has re recorded
Speaker 1: a version of Kiss Kiss called please Hold This is
Speaker 1: very important. It's called kiss Kiss My Ass and it's
Speaker 1: a smart take, I know. And the song's lyrics have
Speaker 1: been rewritten to poke the bear of transphobia. Basically, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to give you the lyrics because they are
Speaker 1: pretty gross, but let's just say that in the lyrics
Speaker 1: there's lots of talk about pronouns, penises, vaginas. You get
Speaker 1: the gist. The thing is, it's all supposed to be
Speaker 1: comedy and satire.
Speaker 3: And why am I not laughing?
Speaker 1: Well and yet right, So it's very interesting because this
Speaker 1: is a very deliberate strategy copied from America, really right,
Speaker 1: which is use humor. Use humor again in inverted commas,
Speaker 1: there's notically funny, but you know, use humor and piss
Speaker 1: taking and poking lots of culture war issues that will
Speaker 1: get shared. So these clips, until it became a full
Speaker 1: length movie, just live on social and they're shared around
Speaker 1: probably on somebody related to all of our Facebook somewhere,
Speaker 1: and you know, they're on TikTok and they kind of
Speaker 1: play into that strategy very much. For an Ossie audience
Speaker 1: is probably smarter again because we like to pride ourselves
Speaker 1: on not taking ourselves too seriously. Right, But Holly has
Speaker 1: said that Pauline asked to do it, she thought it
Speaker 1: was hilarious and she really wants to support one nation
Speaker 1: in this election, not that there's an election.
Speaker 2: She's also Holly was doing an interview in the last
Speaker 2: twenty four hours with someone on a free speech channel
Speaker 2: where she used the R word very flippantly and the
Speaker 2: person said, we don't use that word on this channel,
Speaker 2: and then she had a big kind of blow up
Speaker 2: about free speech. And I think that that really shows
Speaker 2: where they're all at and who they're trying to appeal to.
Speaker 2: They're trying to appeal to the person who feels as
Speaker 2: though they've been on the wrong side of the culture
Speaker 2: wars for the last ten twenty years. And I watched
Speaker 2: a few clips from the film to try and get
Speaker 2: a sense of it, and the music clip it's like
Speaker 2: an attempt at south Park.
Speaker 1: It's like a sort of south parky knockoff. It's sort
Speaker 1: of it follows for alleged progressives traveling around Australia, and
Speaker 1: you can imagine like the kind of situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also there's one scene where and I
Speaker 2: don't understand the full context of this, but where they
Speaker 2: appeared to blow up Ularu. There are jokes about, oh,
Speaker 2: we wake up every morning and we do our apology
Speaker 2: and you know, white men are in shackles and all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff feels very one note. But I
Speaker 2: was reading what the creators of it have said, and
Speaker 2: clearly this is an attempt to appeal to young people.
Speaker 3: So one nation is which you I'm young people.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that it's like because this is clearly
Speaker 2: a social media YouTube TikTok, Instagram play right, Like, I
Speaker 2: can't imagine that boomers are necessarily looking at this.
Speaker 1: I don't know they'd be seeing it on Facebook's on YouTube.
Speaker 1: There's a significant boomer population.
Speaker 2: But it's funny how the right are trying to like
Speaker 2: reclaim comedy.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what's really interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that they're trying to go where funny, we don't
Speaker 2: take ourselves too seriously and now one, two three the
Speaker 2: left loses it. And that's why in the mainstream press
Speaker 2: or whatever, which is necessary. People go, I watched it,
Speaker 2: so you don't have to, and here's what I think.
Speaker 2: And you can call it offensive and you can call
Speaker 2: it crude, and they're like and they go, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the point. And Pauline Hanson twenty years ago was She's
Speaker 2: always been dismissed as unseerious and as unrefined, and.
Speaker 3: That's kind of like what my opinion of her has
Speaker 3: been has been just a joke, a joke. She's been
Speaker 3: a joke, a non dangerous one in the sense of,
Speaker 3: like I was told she could never really rise up
Speaker 3: in yeah politics here in Australia, and the fact that
Speaker 3: she's leaning into her being a joke makes me go, oh.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, is now being a joke doesn't marginalize you.
Speaker 2: It might mainstream you. And I think that I've had
Speaker 2: so many different people in different circles, from politics, to
Speaker 2: media to friends say in the last fortnight, I'm really
Speaker 2: worried about this Pauline Hanson one Nation thing and how
Speaker 2: it's building women.
Speaker 1: Well you should be if it's not. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to assume the way that everybody feels about
Speaker 1: one Nation and Pauline Hanson. I don't think it would be,
Speaker 1: as we said on Monday, surprising to know where we stand.
Speaker 1: But people should take them seriously because as the like
Speaker 1: in Britain, as the traditional right here is kind of
Speaker 1: in a bit of disarray at the minute. Obviously the
Speaker 1: Nationals and the Libs have fallen out. Liberal Party voting
Speaker 1: is in the toilet one nation are coming through strongly.
Speaker 1: They have never pulled so strongly. The polls are and
Speaker 1: this isn't just being reported in you know, what you
Speaker 1: might term as right leaning press, it's everywhere. They're polling
Speaker 1: as high as twenty six percent, which is a lot.
Speaker 2: Right and Pauline specifically as like a preferred.
Speaker 1: Leader, yes, higher than Susan Lee. Like they're definitely. And
Speaker 1: the thing is about that is it's easy to dismiss
Speaker 1: and roll your eyes and go, I remember when she
Speaker 1: was just a joke. I remember when she wore burker
Speaker 1: in Parliament, which she's done twice, which is, you know, ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But if you look at what's happening in Britain and
Speaker 1: you look at what's happened in the US, it's something
Speaker 1: to take seriously. And the thing is that's interesting about
Speaker 1: the British comparison is that it was only twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four when their labor government won in a landslide. Right
Speaker 1: and now Reform, who are the populist right Party, are
Speaker 1: preferred government by quite a long way. Right, they're saying
Speaker 1: if there was an election today. So I think one
Speaker 1: of the things that's interesting about this is we should
Speaker 1: absolutely take them seriously. It might not be Pauline Hanson
Speaker 1: because she actually is a senator and it's quite confusing
Speaker 1: whether or not she could jump to be you know,
Speaker 1: the private story a long time. Yeah, But also there's
Speaker 1: Barnaby Joyce, more traditional liberal labor ANDPS are defecting to
Speaker 1: one nation. So basically they've got momentum. They've got some
Speaker 1: momentum at the minute, and it's like take them seriously.
Speaker 1: But also I would say take a leaf out of
Speaker 1: listening to some of the messages in this. And I
Speaker 1: don't mean about the culture war issues. I mean about
Speaker 1: the people's exhaustion with feeling constantly scolded, lecture, told off.
Speaker 1: Is it's become a tired thing to say, But there
Speaker 1: is a portion of that that this kind of comedic
Speaker 1: campaigning really works for. So dismissing it, just as dismissing
Speaker 1: Trump as a crazy orange guy or Nigel Farage's an
Speaker 1: unseerious reality star. It's not helping. Holly Valance really is
Speaker 1: an influential power player, not just the person from Kiss Kiss.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I need to jump in with a gorilla recommendation because
Speaker 1: I'm not on Friday's show Friends, because this week it's
Speaker 1: my daughter's sixteenth and I have to go and spend
Speaker 1: some time with my children.
Speaker 3: Imagine that it's rude.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I can't not tell you about the Take That
Speaker 1: Door documentary I watched on the weekend.
Speaker 2: Okay, because that kid's popping up on my Netflix and
Speaker 2: I can't decide whether I'll watch it or.
Speaker 1: Our quick question for em do you know who take
Speaker 1: that up?
Speaker 3: I watched the documentary where he was a monkey, Ronnie Williams.
Speaker 1: So Robbie Williams was the Harry Styles of take That, right,
Speaker 1: And yes, so Robbi Williams used to be and take that.
Speaker 1: But in the nineties Take That were huge.
Speaker 3: They were the boy band.
Speaker 1: They were the British boy band, like modeled on Backstreet
Speaker 1: Boys and that kind of stuff. Right, They were massive anyway,
Speaker 1: so new documentaries dropped about them on Netflix. Now is
Speaker 1: the whole documentary amazing, not really if you've watched all
Speaker 1: the Robbie ones like better Man and also his documentary
Speaker 1: that he did that was definitely a procumentary, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: although it was very interesting, you've probably heard all these stories.
Speaker 1: But it's very satisfying because the music's great. It's all
Speaker 1: really fun. But the thing I particularly wanted to call
Speaker 1: out because it talks to something that we've been talking
Speaker 1: about lately with heated rivalry, right, is that take that.
Speaker 1: I don't think I realized this, but back in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety one, where they've got they like the spic skills,
Speaker 1: they kind of got formed, you know, like fake formed
Speaker 1: by a producer who went, we need an English boy band,
Speaker 1: got a load of kids from across the North of England,
Speaker 1: stuck them together. They became them. They did all their
Speaker 1: training ground for years playing gay clubs and schools, right,
Speaker 1: so they would go and do school halls in the
Speaker 1: afternoon and then two or three gay clubs every night
Speaker 1: around all of the North of England. So they're honing
Speaker 1: their talents at driving the audience crazy in these two
Speaker 1: distinct categories of young girls and gay men at nightclubs
Speaker 1: at night, were any of the members gay. None of
Speaker 1: them have ever come out as gay, so I can't
Speaker 1: really answer that question, but not that we know of.
Speaker 1: It's just amazing to watch because what it makes you
Speaker 1: realize is you see how they built this fan base
Speaker 1: and then how the sort of you know, the machiavellian
Speaker 1: mind behind it. The producer realizes that if he can
Speaker 1: get the girls to go crazy and he can get
Speaker 1: you know, in inverted commas, the gays to go crazy,
Speaker 1: then the mainstream will come. Is also just makes me
Speaker 1: think about this conversation we've been having a lot lately
Speaker 1: about straight women loving heated rivalry and were all like, oh,
Speaker 1: why did the straight women like watching these handsome gay
Speaker 1: men getting it on? And you're like, there's always been
Speaker 1: a lot of crossover there, right, And hormones are hormones.
Speaker 1: That's so true.
Speaker 3: So I loved that part of it.
Speaker 1: All the history is really good, and then it gets
Speaker 1: really into the fallout between the main guy of take that,
Speaker 1: which is Gary Barlow, who wrote all the songs and
Speaker 1: kept all the money, and Robbie who was going off
Speaker 1: the rails. He was only sixteen when he joined and
Speaker 1: was doing this like school slash gape anyway, it's really
Speaker 1: such a rough time. From the documentary, he's been through
Speaker 1: a lot, but they all have. It's really good. It's
Speaker 1: on Netflix. It's called Take That.
Speaker 2: Is it a series or one?
Speaker 1: I think there are three? Okay, and they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: fifty minutes long.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to watch that after the break.
Speaker 2: The social politics of being right, it didn't matter that
Speaker 2: I was correct. It mattered that I wasning. That's a
Speaker 2: quote by Rob Long for The Ankler, in a piece
Speaker 2: where he grapples with the social politics of being right.
Speaker 2: He writes in this substack post, it's almost never a
Speaker 2: bad idea to shut up when someone you're speaking to
Speaker 2: is wrong. And he tells a few great stories. So
Speaker 2: the first is when he was a young up and
Speaker 2: coming writer in a writer's room. It was actually for
Speaker 2: the television show Cheers, and they were putting together a
Speaker 2: storyline and he interjected when it wasn't really his job
Speaker 2: to interject, and said, oh, well, what you're talking about,
Speaker 2: I mean that wouldn't technically be a crime, and kind
Speaker 2: of corrected them, and he said they all looked at
Speaker 2: him like, mate, that actually doesn't matter, that's not important.
Speaker 2: It was sort of a youthful know it all moment
Speaker 2: and he learned something from that, and then he tells
Speaker 2: his other story about being much older sitting there in
Speaker 2: New York after the New York Marathon had wrapped up,
Speaker 2: and the waitress came over and said, the winner of
Speaker 2: the New York Marathon is in this restaurant. He's got
Speaker 2: this medal on and it's amazing and I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: And he took one look at him and went, I
Speaker 2: know for an absolute fact that man did not win
Speaker 2: the New York Marathon today. I know that it was
Speaker 2: an Ethiopian man and that is not him. And you're confused,
Speaker 2: but he went, what's the point. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say it. I'm not going to ruin her day. She's
Speaker 2: new to New York. She thinks everyone who has a medal,
Speaker 2: which is fifty thousand people one great. I'm just going
Speaker 2: to go with it. And so the big question that
Speaker 2: he kind of asks is what is the currency of
Speaker 2: being right? And I thought this was an almost countercultural idea,
Speaker 2: because every comment section is people correcting and owning people
Speaker 2: has become a genre of entertainment in its own right.
Speaker 2: Everyone has their own sets of facts and a conversation
Speaker 2: very easily descends into an argument. My question is how
Speaker 2: important is it being right? You're out at dinner tonight,
Speaker 2: someone's saying something, You're going, I'm pretty sure that's wrong.
Speaker 2: How often do you let it go? And in what
Speaker 2: instances are you like, Okay, I'm actually going to correct you,
Speaker 2: even if it means I'm being really annoy It's.
Speaker 3: Very important being right. The only instance I would say
Speaker 3: where maybe you shouldn't be right publicly is if it
Speaker 3: leads to embarrassment. And that story he said about the
Speaker 3: girl who mistook the person as winning the marathon, he
Speaker 3: later said that he just wait till she posted on
Speaker 3: her Instagram and then all of her followers on Instagram
Speaker 3: can correct her. I'm like, no, the nice thing would
Speaker 3: have been to pull her aside and be like, hey,
Speaker 3: that guy should probably pay for his own meal because he,
Speaker 3: in fact did not win the marathon.
Speaker 2: That's actually very true, because sometimes someone says something and
Speaker 2: you think, do I soften the blow? And this is
Speaker 2: I reckon that with family, you always choose annoying, like
Speaker 2: you have no second guessing. I'm like, I'm annoying with
Speaker 2: my family all the time. I will always correct them.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if this is a culture thing.
Speaker 3: I'm not allowed to correct anyone older than me. I
Speaker 3: really have been. Tell me, it's just like a thing
Speaker 3: that you just never did. Like if I were to
Speaker 3: correct my mum or dad in public, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I would get it at home? Really yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, And even till this day, I would never
Speaker 3: do it publicly. Maybe in private, I'll be like, just
Speaker 3: so you know what you said, you can't say that,
Speaker 3: and they'll be like, oh okay. But if I did
Speaker 3: it in public, there's no way. I even do feel
Speaker 3: with his story about work, I also felt that in
Speaker 3: the workplace sometimes where I feel like sometimes people are
Speaker 3: older than me are allowed to correct me in public,
Speaker 3: and I have to accept that. But if I were
Speaker 3: to correct someone older than me, it's like, no way.
Speaker 1: There's a hierarchy of power about that. Right, is that
Speaker 1: as per this story the young person in the writer's room.
Speaker 1: But that example, what that speaks to more is about
Speaker 1: the experience. So I think, if you're a creative person
Speaker 1: and you're working in a creative field, you like dealing
Speaker 1: with ideas, right, and you'll figure out the details later.
Speaker 1: So it's like and then the car started flying, but
Speaker 1: cars don't like, Look, we'll find a way to make
Speaker 1: the car flying, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: that's kind of how it works. I'm generally of the
Speaker 1: camp of let it go, like let if people say
Speaker 1: the wrong word, if they've got a couple of facts wrong,
Speaker 1: like just let it go unless it really matters. But
Speaker 1: then is that a slippery slope to what we keep
Speaker 1: talking about now, which is like a post facts world
Speaker 1: and it's so important to get your facts straight, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that in personal conversations there
Speaker 1: are lots of cliches about this, which is like it's
Speaker 1: better to be happy than right. I wonder if you
Speaker 1: believe that, Jesse. You like to be right, I mean
Speaker 1: I like to be right.
Speaker 2: You have to be right. But I also have a
Speaker 2: people pleasing element. That is, if I was speaking to
Speaker 2: my neighbor to a you know, small talk, yea, and
Speaker 2: often we're not going to correct then nah, And it's
Speaker 2: like I might have done something. I might be talking
Speaker 2: to someone later who says Lewis Hamilton, you know, thirty
Speaker 2: nine year old Lewis Hamilton. I'd go and I'd probably
Speaker 2: bite my tongue, even though I know, of course matter.
Speaker 2: It's like when someone starts telling you this is a
Speaker 2: pet peeve of mine, a story you've already heard. I
Speaker 2: think you've got to let him tell the story. Come on, Like,
Speaker 2: I think it's rude to kind of stop someone and go,
Speaker 2: you've already told me.
Speaker 3: This whatever time.
Speaker 2: I know there's got to be a limit, doesn't there
Speaker 2: There are people who tell the same story every time, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: and then you break your leg. But I think it's
Speaker 2: a similar principle, which is, like, what do you do
Speaker 2: for like social cohesion and comfort and peace because we
Speaker 2: all know that feeling of having a know it all
Speaker 2: at the table? Yeah, And I feel like the only
Speaker 2: time you get to scream when you know you're right
Speaker 2: is trivia, Like I think that's really important.
Speaker 1: Yes, pob trivia, which obviously I do a lot of.
Speaker 1: And the thing is is that it's nothing more embarrassing.
Speaker 1: And I've done that on this show actually too, where
Speaker 1: you're wrong but you are absolutely convinced of your rightness.
Speaker 1: I remember once being on Mike and being like, I
Speaker 1: said a thing and our producer picked me up and said, no,
Speaker 1: that's not right, and I was so convinced of my rightness,
Speaker 1: I got a bit crazy. Yeah, and I was wrong.
Speaker 2: That's a thing too right, is that I saw that
Speaker 2: headline on not being right doesn't matter to be right,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I mostly assume I'm wrong. Like
Speaker 2: if someone starts talking and maybe you know there are
Speaker 2: a few facts or whatever. I think you learn more
Speaker 2: by kind of sitting back and being like, oh, where
Speaker 2: are you coming from? Or they might have read something
Speaker 2: completely different. But often you're wrong.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget when I hadn't been in Australia long
Speaker 1: and I was like trying to worm my way into
Speaker 1: a new friend group, like this cool friend group. We
Speaker 1: were in a bottle shop and I said that I
Speaker 1: really liked I think. I said I really liked Savignon
Speaker 1: Blanc right, and this girl literally corrected me right there
Speaker 1: at the counter. Like this girl in the friend group
Speaker 1: was like, you say so whatever she said, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm fucking done here, aren't I Like,
Speaker 1: that's rude. That's rude.
Speaker 2: Every time I say moey or moet. Yeah, I get corrected.
Speaker 1: Someone who someone who will correct you to make you
Speaker 1: feel small, as opposed to help you.
Speaker 3: Well, the worst thing someone's ever done to me was
Speaker 3: I was at dinner and we were talking abou high
Speaker 3: school musical and I was like, oh, did you know
Speaker 3: Vanessa Hudgens is part Indian and Indian people love saying
Speaker 3: people are Indian, so I was like, really excited about
Speaker 3: this fact. I was like, Vanessa Hudgens a part Indian.
Speaker 3: They're like, really is she?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, amazing And.
Speaker 3: One of the girls got out her phone and looked
Speaker 3: it up and was it wrong? I think I was wrong,
Speaker 3: but like, why would you do it from me?
Speaker 1: Let it stands look it up.
Speaker 2: Just look fun.
Speaker 1: That's the problem.
Speaker 3: Actually, you're so right?
Speaker 1: Is that being able to search things sometimes this whole thing,
Speaker 1: So let's just roll with it. Yeah, she's totally half
Speaker 1: Indian and correct the record, but did it really matter
Speaker 1: around that table? Right then? Affecting your life? I have
Speaker 1: to just put one note like I don't want to
Speaker 1: be generalizing here, but in my house I live with
Speaker 1: some neurodivergent people. And heart goes out to everyone who's
Speaker 1: had this argument where you're like, why are last night's
Speaker 1: pajamas on the floor and they'll be like, they're not
Speaker 1: last night's. They have pajamas from two nights ago, and
Speaker 1: you're like, it could be infuriating, but it also cannot
Speaker 1: be helped. There are some people who are very they
Speaker 1: need like the rightness is very important. The facts are
Speaker 1: very important, even if they don't matter, and you need
Speaker 1: to move past that and correct the record before you're
Speaker 1: going to get any action.
Speaker 2: I also wonder if it's a thing that younger people do,
Speaker 2: the correcting. It's a thing that much older people do,
Speaker 2: and in the middle we kind of have the wisdom
Speaker 2: to not like I cringe thinking about myself in the
Speaker 2: workplace in early years, and it wasn't so much. I
Speaker 2: remember correcting someone on something I knew I was right,
Speaker 2: but it was everything. It was my tone. I wanted
Speaker 2: to die on this hill that probably wasn't that important,
Speaker 2: and the way that I did it had embarrassed the
Speaker 2: person that we were inevitably going to get into a
Speaker 2: bit of a stalemate with it. So maybe you just
Speaker 2: learn as you get older, I mean, to let things go,
Speaker 2: or just a more kind of humble way to guide someone.
Speaker 1: I'd love to know if the outlouders have any like
Speaker 1: kind ways to correct someone, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I think that's really tricky. Is like, as you
Speaker 1: said before, do you choose to embarrass somebody in public
Speaker 1: by correcting them in front of everybody, or do you
Speaker 1: take them aside afterwards or is there like a nice
Speaker 1: way you.
Speaker 3: Can be Like, it's interesting that your brain works that way. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's interesting that you think.
Speaker 2: That I've a terrible dis I've had Lucas say things
Speaker 2: to me like six years on going. You know, you
Speaker 2: say that word wrong. That's the word I use all
Speaker 2: the time, and I'm like, no, that was a first
Speaker 2: time thing. You needed to said that on this microphone.
Speaker 1: Friends, That is all we have time for on today's
Speaker 1: Mamma Mia out loud. But if you're hungry for more banter,
Speaker 1: more laughs, a bit of a holiday from the bonfire
Speaker 1: of the world, we may have given you a bit
Speaker 1: of that today. That Louise Hamilton thing.
Speaker 3: That went on a long time, It's the smartest segment
Speaker 3: in the whole episode.
Speaker 2: I'm voting to actually edit the rest hour and just
Speaker 2: call it Lewis Hamilton thoughts discussed exactly.
Speaker 1: We have another show. Mama Mia has launched another big
Speaker 1: show this week, and in fact, one of the main
Speaker 1: hosts of its sitting in the studio with us right now,
Speaker 1: Catherine Mahoney. She's been watching us be terribly undisciplined on
Speaker 1: the mics today. It's called Unleashed. It's MIA's baby. You
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Speaker 1: X women who just really want to laugh. It has launched,
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Speaker 1: what tomorrow is, Jesse. Mia made me and Jesse like
Speaker 1: grabbed us by our ears almost and said, I need
Speaker 1: to talk to you about that skinny stuff I was
Speaker 1: talking about with Amelia Yea, the new age of skinny
Speaker 1: and how we felt about it. And she knows that
Speaker 1: we disagree with her a little bit, so she wanted
Speaker 1: to have it.
Speaker 2: Specifically, said, I listened to that episode and you were
Speaker 2: wrong on this point and this point, on this point,
Speaker 2: I was very you are wrong, and I am.
Speaker 1: Actually, but that's you can correctly.
Speaker 2: That's fine, Like, yeah, it's important to correct me because
Speaker 2: otherwise she gets carried away and.
Speaker 1: Then I agreed with her on a surprising number of
Speaker 1: points too. So that episode, the subscriber episode with me
Speaker 1: and Jesse and myself talking about the emaciated celebrities yead celebrities,
Speaker 1: drops tomorrow. Anyway, I keep talking. Goodbye friends, Bye bye.
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