WEBVTT - Quick Question: Why Are You So Annoying?

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Mom and Mia out loud. It's

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<v Speaker 1>what women are actually talking about on Monday, the thirteenth

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<v Speaker 1>of April. I'm Holly wayIn right, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I was poor. I was poor because you had something.

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<v Speaker 1>In the script I did, and I do. I'll bring

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<v Speaker 1>that back. I was going to do it at the end,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I was like, I'm Holly Wayne right, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a rogue Monday question before we get started

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<v Speaker 1>today from my friends here you are? You are?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm Clare Stevens and I'm in Burnham filling in

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<v Speaker 3>for Amelia today.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard this heated debate in the office this morning. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how Monday morning everyone's chitty chatting in the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still going on with the weekend. Do you share

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<v Speaker 1>a towel with the people you live with? Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>know that you live alone, Emily, but you grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in a house with other people, so you get to

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<v Speaker 1>answer this question too. Do you share a towel? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>not one towel, but like are there specific towls for

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<v Speaker 1>specific people? Are just general towels for use?

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<v Speaker 4>So this is kind of one of the problems with

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<v Speaker 4>my life. I share a towel my husband don't know that.

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<v Speaker 4>My husband think, what do you mean you share a towel?

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<v Speaker 4>As in, like, if my partner's just got out of

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<v Speaker 4>the shower and his towels hanging up, I'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Just use it, Jail.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, here's my theory immune systems. I think I

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<v Speaker 4>have I reckon. We should all be using each other's

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<v Speaker 4>town I've been known to use someone else's toothbrush and

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<v Speaker 4>people get really.

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<v Speaker 1>Mad, and I'm like, I don't know. This is the debate,

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<v Speaker 1>right m Because the debate in the kitchen went something

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<v Speaker 1>like somebody said what you just said, Claire, which is

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<v Speaker 1>also my position. There are towels hanging up in the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as they're dry and not smelly, I'm using it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. It's not like that spread's towel, this is

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<v Speaker 1>my house.

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<v Speaker 3>Touch someone else's genital Yeah, that's exactly what.

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<v Speaker 1>So you present the other argument because Nicole, our friend Nicole,

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<v Speaker 1>was like, that's disgusting. It's disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you want from their.

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<v Speaker 3>Fungal insection because you're gonna get one so.

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<v Speaker 1>In your house of origin, and if you've got other

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<v Speaker 1>people in your house, now it's like, here's your towel,

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<v Speaker 1>here's my tael your town.

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<v Speaker 3>No, after they all go on the washing machine, then

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<v Speaker 3>like you can have a different town.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe if you're looking for a different color.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you're getting bored, but no, if that's your towel,

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<v Speaker 3>that's your tail for the week.

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<v Speaker 2>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I did find out this week's towel, that's this week's

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<v Speaker 1>I did.

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<v Speaker 4>Find out I've got I had this like weird gut

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<v Speaker 4>bacteria called h plori I want to have. It can

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<v Speaker 4>be like a risk factor for bow cancer stuff. So

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad I found out I had it and it

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<v Speaker 4>got traded. But the way I found out was that

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<v Speaker 4>Jesse had it. And they basically said, if you've lived

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<v Speaker 4>in the kind of family that has few boundaries german wise,

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<v Speaker 4>all I just called up my family being like, guys,

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<v Speaker 4>we've all, we've all.

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<v Speaker 1>A few boundaries germanise. That is a great way of

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<v Speaker 1>putting it, all right, I'm sorry to start Monday like

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<v Speaker 1>that out louders, but if you want to her, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to ask yourself this question, are you like?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I know some people who are like the child

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<v Speaker 1>the green tails of mine, the yellow tells yours. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I'm looking at you differently. It's what's actually

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<v Speaker 1>made our agenda for this Monday morning.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Biberchella and the young millennials and older gen Z's

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<v Speaker 4>cannot stop cry. Why did the singer do you wedding?

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<v Speaker 1>With?

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<v Speaker 4>These old YouTube videos feel strikingly profound.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, the world is incomplete chaos. Her husband is making

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<v Speaker 1>everything worse. So why did Milania Trump choose this moment

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<v Speaker 1>to step out in front of a camera and prompted

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<v Speaker 1>to deliver a very strange address? She's so funny and.

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<v Speaker 3>Good girl dying and Lena Dunham and the addiction to fame,

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<v Speaker 3>everything that's been happening since she stepped back into the spotlight.

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<v Speaker 1>But first, it's Christmas week and buy that. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's Harry and Megan. Yes, indeed our favorite, not favorite

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<v Speaker 1>ex royals. They are like sort of royals now because

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<v Speaker 1>he is. We still don't know who they are in

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<v Speaker 1>We don't really know, but anyway, they are arriving on

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<v Speaker 1>our shores. They may be pulling up right now via ship.

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<v Speaker 1>I really doubt it.

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<v Speaker 2>British people always that.

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<v Speaker 1>Would be fun, but I doubt it. I mean, possibly

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<v Speaker 1>by either first class or PJ PJ with the fuel. Christlis,

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<v Speaker 1>I who knows. I don't want to slander them. They

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<v Speaker 1>may well be just on an ordinary plane, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be very interesting to see what happened. So

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<v Speaker 1>Harry and Megs are in Australia for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>in eight years. The last time they were here, a

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<v Speaker 1>young Claire Stephens, yes young naive royal obsessed went down

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<v Speaker 1>to the Opera House and were among the throngs who

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<v Speaker 1>queued up to see them. That was like a very

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<v Speaker 1>traditional kind of royal walk about. What was it like?

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<v Speaker 1>What was the vibe?

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<v Speaker 4>So the vibe was hugely, hugely positive. Everybody was obsessed

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<v Speaker 4>with them. Everybody loved them and for example, like I

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<v Speaker 4>remember seeing I think they were like snipers on the

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<v Speaker 4>top of the opera house, Like the security was insane

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<v Speaker 4>and not for a second did anyone question it, whereas

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<v Speaker 4>now I think the narrative has changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Well now it's different because this isn't an official royal

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<v Speaker 1>tour and they they're keeping a lot of it under wraps.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we do know about this trip, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>funny when you said so when they came to Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>that was they hadn't been married long it was when

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<v Speaker 1>we found out that Megan was pregnant with Archie. She

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<v Speaker 1>announced that, well, they're in Australia. It was also, they

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<v Speaker 1>told Oprah afterwards a big turning point because it went

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<v Speaker 1>so well. Harry said, everything changed after that. The world

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<v Speaker 1>got to see the family, meaning the royal family got

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<v Speaker 1>to see how incredible Megan is at the job, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was insinuating that. Then they got a bit jealous

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<v Speaker 1>and things began to turn.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember everyone was very excited, like it felt like

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<v Speaker 3>the energy in the air was very It was actually

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<v Speaker 3>my introduction to Mum and me because I was going

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<v Speaker 3>for my job interview here and I was like, let

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<v Speaker 3>me look at their instagram and the Instagram story was

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<v Speaker 3>Claire in the Mummy offices and everyone touching her.

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<v Speaker 2>Head because she touched Prince Harry.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, this sounds like a great job for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Claire touched Prince Harry. This time is a private visit.

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<v Speaker 1>So the way that they roll now is they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>these sort of they're not royal tours because they're not

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<v Speaker 1>official working royals anymore, but there will be public elements.

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<v Speaker 1>So what we know is going to happen, and obviously

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<v Speaker 1>will keep you abreast of developments. But they said on

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<v Speaker 1>the record that this trip is and will include a

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<v Speaker 1>number of private business and philanthropic engagements. So we know

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<v Speaker 1>that on Wednesday in Melbourne, Harry's going to do a

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<v Speaker 1>November event about male mental health.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he growing a massage?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? That would be great, not a great point. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not November yet, no, so probably not for all.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Kylen Berg is going to be there, Sylemberg. Kyler Burg

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<v Speaker 1>is on that panel too from the Imperfect. So lots

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<v Speaker 1>of big, lots of big mental healthy people are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be there. And maybe on Thursday, it hasn't been

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed yet, but they're expecting some kind of games event

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<v Speaker 1>maybe on Sydney Harbor. And then on Saturday night, we

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<v Speaker 1>do know that Megs is doing her gala dinner for

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<v Speaker 1>besties everybody, which is like a lot of women are going.

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<v Speaker 1>They're spending the weekend and then there's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a dinner and she's going to talk. Everybody is speculating

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<v Speaker 1>though that there will be an announcement that as ever

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<v Speaker 1>goods will be going to finally be shipped to Australia

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<v Speaker 1>of June, which obviously means I will no longer have

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<v Speaker 1>to rely on the good will and charity of us

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<v Speaker 1>out loud is to send me my jam and I

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<v Speaker 1>might finally get to get tipsy on too Rose, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Would be and the flower sprinkles, yes, and the dog biscuits.

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<v Speaker 1>I've still got some flower sprinkles. Turns out not so

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<v Speaker 1>many uses for the little flower sprinkles in my life

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<v Speaker 1>to have, though, it's going to be a very interesting week.

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<v Speaker 4>Are they gonna be gallivanting?

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<v Speaker 1>No, because the thing is, well, we don't know for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like the event on Sydney Harbor might be

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<v Speaker 1>relatively public. But to your point before about security, that's

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<v Speaker 1>why they can't do that. So when you're coming on

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<v Speaker 1>a royal tour, you've got this baked in level of security.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is his art. This has been Harry's big

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<v Speaker 1>sticking point with going back to the UK. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a private visit so as in they're doing some philanthropic

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<v Speaker 1>philanthropic things, but now when they travel they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>that weight behind them, so it's unlikely they can like that.

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<v Speaker 1>They can handle that security wise, crowds and stuff, but

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see what happens because they're keeping it very quiet

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<v Speaker 1>I assume for security reasons, but we all know about it.

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<v Speaker 4>We know a little bit like where are they staying?

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<v Speaker 4>And I guess it's funny because I'm always like, oh, security,

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<v Speaker 4>Like people are pretty normal, you have to worry about that.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I think about myself and I think, if

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<v Speaker 4>I knew where they were staying, I'd be doing some

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<v Speaker 4>drive buse every day. Coachella twenty twenty six aka the

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<v Speaker 4>Influencer Olympics aka Sabrina Would aka bab Cella has a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of names AKA for most of us. Bedchella started

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<v Speaker 4>on Friday, and it is like a lightning rod for culture.

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<v Speaker 4>There is so much going on. You've got a former

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<v Speaker 4>World Leader there. You've got so many Kardashians.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you mean Katy Perry's boyfriend. Yeah, yeah, And he

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<v Speaker 1>is looking.

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<v Speaker 4>Good, looking good, and I feel like he was just

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<v Speaker 4>there for justin as like it's kind of like when

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<v Speaker 4>your teacher comes to support you, but it's like the.

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<v Speaker 2>Former premis being like co justin.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, you've got gossip unfolding, which we will get to.

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<v Speaker 4>And you've got influencers like beck Yard and Tammy Hembrou

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<v Speaker 4>and Sofa Dofa and all these other influencers crying outside

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<v Speaker 4>because their passes didn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>Was anybody on that side of TikTok?

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<v Speaker 1>That would be upsetting if you went all the way

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<v Speaker 1>there and then you couldn't get in, and you were

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<v Speaker 1>like all ready to do your outfit reveal and everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're like, this is what I wore to

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<v Speaker 1>get denied entry to Coachella exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Apparently there were all these issues. Basically, if you bought

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<v Speaker 4>it slightly late, you couldn't get in. So many would

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<v Speaker 4>you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Content wise?

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<v Speaker 4>Then sorry, you film yourself crying and it goes pretty viral.

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<v Speaker 4>It's actually probably goes more viral than if you were

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<v Speaker 4>in there. Great content strategy. So I'm watching it all

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<v Speaker 4>from my lounge with a hot water bottle obviously, but

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<v Speaker 4>just a quick recap. First, Sabrina Wood, did you guys

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<v Speaker 4>see Oh Sabrina Carpenters.

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<v Speaker 1>But my favorite moment was when she did tears, which

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the famous line is about tears run down my thighs,

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<v Speaker 1>and she sat on top of a fountain but very subtly.

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<v Speaker 2>Shot out tears from.

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<v Speaker 1>Underneath her mutton.

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<v Speaker 4>I loved her. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>I love big concerts, like I just want to have fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to think, I want to release my inhibitions,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just want to watch Sabrina Carpenter on a

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<v Speaker 3>car getting wet.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of from what I saw, there

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<v Speaker 1>were a lot of costume changes, there was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of scenery changes. There was a real life car, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a real live fountain, there were dancing poodles. Like

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<v Speaker 1>it was a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>She was in a movie.

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<v Speaker 4>She was starring in a movie.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think Beyonce took it to the next level

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<v Speaker 3>when she did her Bachella concert, and it feels like

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<v Speaker 3>everyone who had to headline after that has to really

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<v Speaker 3>be like, oh, this is the concert off for a

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<v Speaker 3>certain young man we're about to talk about her basically

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<v Speaker 3>was wearing.

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<v Speaker 2>A hoodie exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>So then there was Baba Tella, So Sabrina Carpenter headlined

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<v Speaker 4>the first night and just Biber headlined the second night.

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<v Speaker 4>And there has been a little bit of criticism that

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<v Speaker 4>Sabrina Carpenter literally was doing the most. She had Susan

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<v Speaker 4>Sarandon doing an interlude.

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<v Speaker 2>Monologue that was weird and.

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<v Speaker 4>Not funny and quite dark, and she had Will Ferrell

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<v Speaker 4>kind of popping up on stage and pretending to be

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<v Speaker 4>an electrician, like she really was doing the most. And

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<v Speaker 4>then there was Justin Bieber in a hoody essentially on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 5>I see them.

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<v Speaker 1>He was sitting on the floor with his laptop like

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the YouTube videos and then going, oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>sound's fun and singing along with it. Is that an

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<v Speaker 1>accurate representation?

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<v Speaker 2>But it was genius.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like you know when you pick.

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<v Speaker 3>Up your phone to check the time, and then sudden

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<v Speaker 3>you're scrolling on TikTok and you're like, what was I

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<v Speaker 3>doing on Justin?

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<v Speaker 1>You're before me. I want you to explain to me, Claire,

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously I've seen bits of it. It looked great.

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<v Speaker 1>He looked really well, which is good because I remember

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<v Speaker 1>this time last year at Coachella he did not look well.

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<v Speaker 1>He was stumbling around, he could barely stand up. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>was like fears for Justin. But what I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>understand that I need a millennial to explain to me

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<v Speaker 1>is why there are literally women in the office today

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<v Speaker 1>almost crying about how glorious it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I found it so moving.

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<v Speaker 4>So for part of his set, as I said, he

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<v Speaker 4>searched himself on YouTube playing some of his oldest hits

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<v Speaker 4>like baby, never Say Never with You and those sorts

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<v Speaker 4>of things, and he dueted with himself, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Because his voice used to be so high, it was

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<v Speaker 5>so low, and there's such like he really wanted this

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<v Speaker 5>so much and then all these years later it's nearly

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<v Speaker 5>killed him exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was I think a really stark contrast for

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<v Speaker 4>people watching that you had this boy who was really

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<v Speaker 4>and still is incredibly talented.

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<v Speaker 2>He see got mocked and very much.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, his behavior went down some.

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<v Speaker 2>He went off.

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<v Speaker 4>Track for quite a while. He's had, if not kind

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<v Speaker 4>of there's rumored drug issues, but it had there not

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<v Speaker 4>been drug.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've seen the videos from last year, the drug

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<v Speaker 1>roomors are not rumored.

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<v Speaker 4>H Yeah, there are suspicions now that he was kind

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<v Speaker 4>of exploited, if not potentially abused as a young performer.

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<v Speaker 4>And seeing this performance, he looked so joyous. And there's

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<v Speaker 4>also he was really self deprecating. He was kind of

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<v Speaker 4>making fun of viral meme videos where he walked into

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<v Speaker 4>a glass wall and where he was just yelling at

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<v Speaker 4>the paparazzi and he's kind of quoting himself, which I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think we've ever seen him in recent goods. We've

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<v Speaker 4>never seen that, And some of the commentary was about

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<v Speaker 4>he's literally showing up to heal everyone's in a child

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<v Speaker 4>like There was something quite profound about seeing somebody almost

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<v Speaker 4>speaking to themselves as a child. But there's another element

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<v Speaker 4>to it that I was not aware of, which is

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<v Speaker 4>apparently in two twenty twenty three he sold his entire

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<v Speaker 4>back catalog of music because the rumors where he needed

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<v Speaker 4>the money. So instead of getting royalties for all his

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<v Speaker 4>history of amazing albums, he got one up front fee

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<v Speaker 4>of like two hundred million or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Britney Spears has just done exactly the same. Ye.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And so that's a bit of a theory about

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<v Speaker 4>why he was sitting there on YouTube, because he still

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<v Speaker 4>has the rights to the YouTube videos and he was

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<v Speaker 4>only playing small snippets clever. The theory is that he

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<v Speaker 4>was kind of trying to get around that loophole. But

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<v Speaker 4>he also did an amazing at the kid LaRoy and

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<v Speaker 4>Enjoy was on stage and they what's that Boddy's on?

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<v Speaker 1>Stay?

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't stay and it was freaking amazing, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think it really reminded us how talented that man.

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<v Speaker 1>His voice, he's so talented.

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<v Speaker 4>His voice really is outstanding.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he was. He was great, lots of good songs.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you upset that he was allowed to do that

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<v Speaker 1>in his pants? He got paid ten million dollars? He

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<v Speaker 1>got paid ten million dollars. Apparently it's the most that

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<v Speaker 1>a headliner at Coachella has ever been paid. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was very His whole set was very low fire, which

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<v Speaker 1>I like, Like, I don't think every show needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be have fountain spurting out from under your legs. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's room.

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<v Speaker 3>For everything if you're headlining coach I if I bought

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<v Speaker 3>tickets to Coachella, because a lot of people buy tickets

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<v Speaker 3>just to see the headliners because they haven't been able

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<v Speaker 3>to see them in concerts. Separately, I know a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people would have bought tickets to Coachella just to

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<v Speaker 3>see Justin Bieber. And if I was one of those people,

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<v Speaker 3>because I love Justin Bieber so much, I would have

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<v Speaker 3>felt a bit robbed, really a bit robbed from a

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<v Speaker 3>performance because it was like, it was a great performance

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<v Speaker 3>from videos I saw. But that is not the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of concert I want to go to. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>go to something where I literally can just stand up

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<v Speaker 3>and dance and have a good time. If I want

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<v Speaker 3>to go to something where like I want to connect

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<v Speaker 3>with my inner child, I want to think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to look at, Wow, what a great artistic

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<v Speaker 3>journey you've taken on this, Then maybe I would just

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<v Speaker 3>sit at home and watch it online, which is what

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't you think it's probably likely that he's at the

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<v Speaker 1>point in his career and he's got all these things

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<v Speaker 1>to prove, as discussed in these legal complications, and God

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<v Speaker 1>does what that he wants to prove to everyone that

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<v Speaker 1>he can just perform, and he can like he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>need twenty thousand dancers and fountains and a set and

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<v Speaker 1>a mark can do.

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<v Speaker 3>That, but like, then perform, like give me a performer.

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<v Speaker 4>I also think though, that people are looking at it

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<v Speaker 4>say like it is funny to say, okay, he was

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<v Speaker 4>in a hoody on YouTube in front of a huge

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<v Speaker 4>Coachella stage that would have been so Matiq planned. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>and there is something genius about it, which is so

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<v Speaker 4>many of us have found ourselves in justin.

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<v Speaker 2>Bb YouTube rabbit holes, and it is a joyous place to.

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<v Speaker 4>Be and it's really really it's kind of like looking

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<v Speaker 4>behind the scenes to see him watching it, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think there was something because I know what you mean.

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<v Speaker 4>Em On the surface, especially, it can feel like it

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<v Speaker 4>was quite indulgent, that it was kind of an artist

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<v Speaker 4>having their own moment.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's actually the fact that he gave the fans.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody just wants him to play baby his old frickin' songs,

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<v Speaker 4>and he gave it to them, and he did in

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<v Speaker 4>a beautiful karaoke.

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<v Speaker 1>Esque What about the other gossip? Because what I love

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<v Speaker 1>watching Coachella through my phone and you know, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>some of those performances are amazing, but it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to have a good time there as a

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<v Speaker 1>famous person because I've just seen so many famous people

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<v Speaker 1>kissing other famous people being drunken than they should be.

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<v Speaker 1>Although things, That's why I saw justin last year backstage

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<v Speaker 1>like that wouldn't be any fun. Why do they all

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<v Speaker 1>still go and have a good time? On what gossip

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<v Speaker 1>did we learn this time?

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon some of them are having fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Laudie, I hear was having quite a lot of fun

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<v Speaker 1>with Kylie Jenner. Yes, no Kendall, sorry, Kyle's Timothy.

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<v Speaker 4>That would be front page. I think Kylie was cheating

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<v Speaker 4>on Timothy with Jacob.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Kendall and Jacob are allowed to kiss

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<v Speaker 3>because that's height appropriate, which is very important.

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<v Speaker 4>Although I did think that Jacob was should with his girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 4>but I guess not. But yes, the rumors are that

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<v Speaker 4>Kendall and Jacob were hooking up. There is no footage,

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<v Speaker 4>but there is somebody that they saw it, and so

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<v Speaker 4>do we believe that? I don't really know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the reason celebrities hook up with each other

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<v Speaker 3>at Coachella because it's because they know everyone's doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, if we do it now, then maybe everyone

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<v Speaker 3>would just be looking at Kim Kardashian and Louis they

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<v Speaker 3>won't be looking at us.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also know because I found the staggering fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Justin Bieber's headlining set did not start till eleven

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five pm.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just like to imagine in my youth, I

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<v Speaker 1>went to lots of music festivals, how out of it

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<v Speaker 1>everybody is By eleven thirty five pm you would be

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<v Speaker 1>passing a fence post. I'm thinking it was Jacoba Laudie, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what I would be.

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<v Speaker 4>That's also what's fun about it is that you see

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<v Speaker 4>mad celebrities in the crowds, singing and dancing and losing it.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a guy called m You're going to think, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>there's a guy called Somber.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, my daughter likes it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, he that was hilarious him. I think it was

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<v Speaker 4>Justin Bieber, him dancing and singing, Justin Bieber. And it's

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<v Speaker 4>like when you forget your famous, you're really famous and

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<v Speaker 4>you're having a lovely, lovely time. But the other kind

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<v Speaker 4>of gossip, so less gossip. But the trend seems to

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<v Speaker 4>be amongst influencers that it's very much about like we're

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<v Speaker 4>not really trying, We're just pulling our outfits together last minute.

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<v Speaker 4>We're quickly doing our makeup like I'm here to have

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<v Speaker 4>a good time, which is hilarious because if you look

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<v Speaker 4>at the outfits, you're like, you can't have a good

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<v Speaker 4>time that in that at all.

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<v Speaker 2>But Kendall.

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<v Speaker 4>Seeing a photo of Kendall Jenna beside Kylie Jenner at

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<v Speaker 4>Coachella is the biggest reminder that there are two kinds

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<v Speaker 4>of people at a festival, and one of them, Kendall

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<v Speaker 4>is just shortsna T shirt and Kylie is like my

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<v Speaker 4>ba dazzled bra Yeah, the oldest.

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<v Speaker 1>Youngest sister.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely vibes.

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<v Speaker 4>But I just cannot look away.

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<v Speaker 1>After the break Malania's speech, we have one word.

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<v Speaker 3>Why oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, the world is still in a mess, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to get into it too much because it

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<v Speaker 1>is moving at breakneck speed and who knows what might

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<v Speaker 1>be happening by five pm today when this show comes out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of impossible to summarize, but let's just say

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<v Speaker 1>that as we are recording this right now, talks between

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<v Speaker 1>the US and Iran through a lot of intermediates in

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<v Speaker 1>Pakistan have broken down, and Vice President Vance is taking

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<v Speaker 1>these toys on his plane and he's gone, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is threatening to blockade the already blocked straight

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<v Speaker 1>of her mors and Israel continued to insist there was

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<v Speaker 1>a loophole in the currency sfire that allowed them to

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<v Speaker 1>bomb Lebanon. And so into the middle of all this

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<v Speaker 1>mess wanders the first lady, Malania Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, I was wondering what was

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<v Speaker 3>happening with her, because.

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<v Speaker 4>Haven't been distracted by how this is filtering out to

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<v Speaker 4>an international crisis. I wanted to know what Milania what

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<v Speaker 4>was on Millania's mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Mlardia wanted to tell you. She wanders nowhere. Actually

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<v Speaker 1>she more strides, She starts. She was a model, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>she knows how to walk in a pair of very

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<v Speaker 1>high heels. So she walks into the grand foyer of

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<v Speaker 1>the White House on April the ninth, and she steps

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<v Speaker 1>up to a mic and unannounced and apparently without learning

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<v Speaker 1>her husband, to set the record straight on something that

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<v Speaker 1>no one was talking about anymore.

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<v Speaker 6>Here she is would afternoon, the lies linking me with

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<v Speaker 6>the disgrace for Jeffrey Epstein need to end today. I

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<v Speaker 6>am not Epstein's victim. Epstein did not introduce me.

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<v Speaker 1>To Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 6>I met my husband by chance at the New York

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<v Speaker 6>City party in nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 1>She went on to say that those are the only

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<v Speaker 1>time she ever met Epstein was at various parties, and

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<v Speaker 1>that people in New York and Palm Beach all go

0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:29.360
<v Speaker 1>to the same parties. So of course she knows because

0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:32.600
<v Speaker 1>they've been a photographed together. There are many photographs, She

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<v Speaker 1>named checks and press outlets and journals who she thinks

0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:38.680
<v Speaker 1>have been spreading nonsense. She urges Congress to act on

0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Epstein's cohort. She says that she wants a public hearing

0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.080
<v Speaker 1>for survivors, saying they all need a chance to tell

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<v Speaker 1>their story. This has confused a lot of people because

0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:50.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of prominent Democrats are asking for that too, right,

0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:53.679
<v Speaker 1>and so they're like, that's funny, why is she suddenly

0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:57.280
<v Speaker 1>asking for that? To use the polite pilance of reporters,

0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:01.439
<v Speaker 1>it was unclear which specific accusation spurred the First Lady

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<v Speaker 1>to respond publicly to this, but clearly what she was addressing,

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<v Speaker 1>although the timing remains mysterious. Are the rumors that have

0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:12.440
<v Speaker 1>been around for a long time and Trump's talking about

0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:18.919
<v Speaker 1>this before that Epstein introduced about to Coravana then, but

0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 1>that was another Trump wife from a different time introduced

0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:25.919
<v Speaker 1>Milania to Trump. And there are rumors that maybe she

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<v Speaker 1>was involved in, you know, Epstein's world, and that he

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.639
<v Speaker 1>introduced it to Trump, And those rumors have been everywhere

0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:36.480
<v Speaker 1>for years, but they've never been stood up. There's never

0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 1>been a clear proof of that at all. So it

0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:41.840
<v Speaker 1>seems really weird that she is suddenly bringing it up.

0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:46.520
<v Speaker 3>So what why why exactly?

0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:50.680
<v Speaker 1>And Trump doesn't know either, He said like that recently,

0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:54.520
<v Speaker 1>We're not very care. He also said that she said,

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<v Speaker 1>because he talked to the New York Times, he said,

0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:01.920
<v Speaker 1>she finds it particularly insulting and infuriating that these rumors

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 1>that that's how they met won't go away. And he said,

0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:07.880
<v Speaker 1>she finds it very insulting. So she said she wanted

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.439
<v Speaker 1>to make a statement, and I said, says Trump, if

0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:12.600
<v Speaker 1>you want to do that, you can do that. If

0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:15.760
<v Speaker 1>she wants to do it. I didn't recommend it, but

0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:18.040
<v Speaker 1>I said, I let it be her. I said, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to do it, do it. And apparently she

0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:21.720
<v Speaker 1>did it.

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<v Speaker 4>In Milania's defense, just because Trump doesn't recommend well, like

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:27.480
<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't be taking Trump's advice on how to deal

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<v Speaker 4>with anything. So good on her for ignoring that. I

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:35.560
<v Speaker 4>think this is the biggest evidence of how we are

0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:40.360
<v Speaker 4>all living in our own algorithm bubbles. So Milania clearly

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:44.639
<v Speaker 4>on x or truth Social or Instagram or whatever social

0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:48.919
<v Speaker 4>media platforms she's on, she's getting so to this content.

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 1>She's seen a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 4>We're getting Coachell and she's getting this and so she

0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:56.480
<v Speaker 4>maybe she has I assume she has a Google a

0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.760
<v Speaker 4>lot on her name. Oh my god, So she is

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:03.399
<v Speaker 4>getting all this stuff and so for her, she's like everyone,

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 4>they won't stop talking about me and Epstein, and it's like, lady,

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:12.720
<v Speaker 4>there's a war, Like nobody was looking at that thinking

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:17.360
<v Speaker 4>about that. Also in terms of I guess the accusations

0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:22.240
<v Speaker 4>slash moral failings of that family, this like this one

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 4>was bad, but it honestly wasn't the worst. It's so

0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:31.199
<v Speaker 4>so so weird, and the fact that it didn't it

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 4>wasn't even clear really what she was dressing, because she's like,

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:37.720
<v Speaker 4>I was not Epstein's victim, but also I wasn't like

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<v Speaker 4>part of it.

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 2>And it's like which rumor, what room?

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what the rumors are.

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:45.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, her name came up in the Epstein files with

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:49.560
<v Speaker 1>email exchanges with Glene Maxwell right, which were redacted, and

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:52.880
<v Speaker 1>she addressed that in this speech and said and said

0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 1>they were just very polite email responses to being invited

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<v Speaker 1>to things or whatever.

0:25:57.760 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 2>She did call her.

0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:01.200
<v Speaker 1>G She did call her gen Nick. It does sound

0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:04.480
<v Speaker 1>a little bit friendly. But that's one thing that she

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 1>was specifically rebutting. But the thing that's interesting in this

0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:10.919
<v Speaker 1>that's just the general chaos of that house really and

0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:13.320
<v Speaker 1>this era, is that a lot of people think that

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:15.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of what Trump's doing is to distract from

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 1>the Epstein files. So it's like, but Mlani didn't get

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 1>that membo. She was like, let's look back over here.

0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:25.160
<v Speaker 1>But then maybe that also just tells us how bad

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 1>the mess has got in the world. But now they're like,

0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:30.199
<v Speaker 1>let's start talking about Epstein again. That seems like a

0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:31.680
<v Speaker 1>better idea exactly.

0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:36.359
<v Speaker 3>My advice for Milania is my favorite quote from Jemima Kirk.

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:38.400
<v Speaker 3>I think you're think you might yourself a bit too much.

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<v Speaker 4>That's exactly it, speaking of what Milania is distracting from,

0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.760
<v Speaker 4>they're in our fears the Middle East conflict could lead

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 4>to higher food prices and even shortages. The Guardian run

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 4>a story today about how shoppers are buying more and

0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.960
<v Speaker 4>more canned goods like tomatoes and lentils and long life

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 4>milk to fill out meals if there ends up being

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:05.680
<v Speaker 4>a really scary supply crisis.

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, pantry Max.

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 3>I live off ten goods because I don't cook an

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:12.200
<v Speaker 3>out of my tuna.

0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Prices at like.

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Four dollars ten.

0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:17.200
<v Speaker 1>It used to be three five.

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 4>It's like, this is for lazy girls, This isn't for

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 4>international crises. Ballarat resident Robin Power says families in her

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 4>community are starting to shop like they did during the

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:29.200
<v Speaker 4>pandemic lockdown.

0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, she said.

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:32.399
<v Speaker 4>People are worried the trucks will run out of diesel

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 4>and won't be able to get goods to the shop,

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:37.439
<v Speaker 4>so they're trying to drive less often to go to

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 4>the supermarket themselves. So they're getting staples because they last

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.159
<v Speaker 4>longer they can fill out a meal. People are thinking,

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:46.359
<v Speaker 4>if anything does happen, at least I've got baked beans

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:51.240
<v Speaker 4>and spaghetti. And this comes after news that the federal

0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 4>government is launching a multimillion dollar advertising campaign encouraging Australians

0:27:57.080 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 4>to reduce high use, launches today as the global oil

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:05.320
<v Speaker 4>crisis persists, and it's called Every Little Bit Helps, and

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:09.399
<v Speaker 4>it asks the public to consider using their car less

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:14.239
<v Speaker 4>but also promotes all these tips to improve fuel efficiency.

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Which I very helpful.

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:18.440
<v Speaker 4>I had no idea about, such as driving smoothly not

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 4>my strength, not my strength, and unloading excess weight.

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 1>So all that shit you've got in the back of

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 1>the car that you were taking to the charity shop,

0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 1>that you've been driving around for months.

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you're really meant to get rid of the problem.

0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 1>With this whole tin goods. Panic is so because because

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:36.720
<v Speaker 1>I grow my own food. Friends, you know that, right,

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 1>except people message me and go tell me how to

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 1>grow my own food. And I'm like, mate, if I

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 1>was relying on the one capsicum and plants that I

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:49.240
<v Speaker 1>could turned out of my summer crop, I would be

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 1>very very thin by the tinned goods. By the tinned goods.

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but it's just not in a panicky way.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, no, I don't If.

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 3>You don't like tuna, don't buy please, don't worry.

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I hate Thank god.

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>This is my campaign. It's not like the government said,

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>don't buy fuel you don't need it. It's like, don't buy

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 1>my tuna, my specific brand tuna.

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Chili tuna.

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Leave it for me chili.

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 3>After the Break, a millennial icon has walked back into

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:24.240
<v Speaker 3>the spotlight with a new memoir and I have never

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:28.600
<v Speaker 3>needed to read anything more. Lena Dunham sat down for

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 3>an hour long interview with The New York Times and

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 3>she spoke about some of the things that she discusses

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<v Speaker 3>in the upcoming memo.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's out tomorrow. Actually.

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<v Speaker 3>In Australia fourteen fourteen, fourteenth fame sick in the interview.

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 3>The whole interview was a great advertisement for her book

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 3>because now I need to read it even more than before.

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 2>She knows how to clickbait.

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:52.960
<v Speaker 3>She knows how to clickbait. She talked about writing on Girls,

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 3>the show she created when she was twenty four. She

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 3>talked about breaking up with her co showrunner Jenny Connor.

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 3>She talked about Adam Driver, which what we all wanted

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 3>to hear about. She also talks about who she was

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 3>most nervous about reading the book, to which she said

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 3>her parents, and then when she asked when she was

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:13.280
<v Speaker 3>asked what they thought of it, she said, my father

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 3>said one of the most amazing things, which is, it's

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:18.720
<v Speaker 3>hard for me to understand why anyone would want to

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 3>publish a book such as this. Go dad, and it

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 3>sounds exactly.

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Like my dad. Oh, I'm my dad for sure.

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 3>Lena Dunham to me, she is I think now forty.

0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 3>She's nearly forty, nearly forty. I'm nearly thirty, so she's

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 3>ten years older than me. I probably watched Girls seven

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 3>or eight years after it came out, so when I

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 3>watched it, it was kind of like she was in

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 3>this height of cancelation where I was watching it, and

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 3>I was so obsessed with it, but I wasn't allowed

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 3>to tell people I was obsessed with it. So everyone

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:57.479
<v Speaker 3>I talked to about it, especially my older girlfriends, they

0:30:57.480 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 3>would be like, oh, yeah, it was great at the time,

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 3>but now, no, no, don't talk about it.

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Don't talk about it. Yeah, it got very quickly, it

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 1>got revisionist history very quickly.

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 3>Yes, And now I feel like it's had this second resurgence,

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 3>especially with younger gen Z women. I have a sister

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 3>who's twenty one who's just started watching it, and she's like,

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 3>this is the best thing ever. So it was one

0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 3>of those shows that I felt like could have been

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 3>like a friend or a sex in the City, but

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 3>it just had like this distinct break where everyone just

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 3>didn't acknowledge it existed, and didn't acknowledge she existed. And

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 3>now it's like she's just started to creep her way

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 3>back into the spotlight, and it's like we're all obsessed

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 3>with her again. Except what I'm confused about is why

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 3>this happened in the first place.

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 4>Well, she so I listened to the New York Times,

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 4>the Interview, the hour Long line, Oh she's on that,

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 4>and there's a written version of it too, and it's

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 4>absolutely brilliant. She's one of those people where she speaks

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 4>and you're kind of nodding along, and then an hour

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 4>later you're still.

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Thinking about one of the things she says.

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 4>But what she's says in that is at the time

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 4>that Girls aired, there were only and like think America

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 4>bigger population. All of that, it was only being watched

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 4>by about a million people an episode. Yet the commentary

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 4>was so it was just saturating everything, and she makes

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 4>the point that a lot of people who had a

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:22.840
<v Speaker 4>problem with her, who had a problem with the show,

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 4>were not watching the show. It was more kind of

0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 4>the symbol of what she was and what she represented,

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 4>which was millennial narcissism. The scene, that iconic scene, I

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 4>think it's in the first episode where she says, I

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 4>think I might be the voice of my generation, or

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 4>at least a voice of a generation. There seemed to

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:45.360
<v Speaker 4>be a lot of people who didn't get that, didn't

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 4>get that it was a joke and it was self aware,

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 4>and so there was all this backlash, and you're right,

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 4>she did have to disappear, although the show was.

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 2>On for a very long time.

0:32:55.960 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 4>I think twenty four till she was like, it's twenty several.

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 3>Seasons, twenty twelve to twenty seventeen.

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, and so she but after that she did

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 4>kind of disappear because she just could not cope with

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 4>the absolute beating her reputation has taken well.

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 1>And also, and if anyone is like a little bit like, yeah,

0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Lena donnamight I know who she is? Broadly, there's an

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:24.560
<v Speaker 1>episode of out Loud. We'll dig it up. We'll put

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>the link in the show notes where Amelia and Mia

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and Jesse I think went through kind of like all

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 1>her supposed crimes, like the sort of background to her

0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 1>various cancelations. And it's very satisfying because she disappeared because

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 1>of that, but also a whole lot of other things,

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>which is what this book is about. And it's kind

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.120
<v Speaker 1>of not unrelated in a way to what we're talking

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 1>about with Biber, I mean different, different, But it's called

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Famesick because she said, you know, she during that period

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 1>of time when the show is on, she went from

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 1>being just a kind of arty, privileged artie kid from

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:01.320
<v Speaker 1>New York City to being one of the most famous

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:03.320
<v Speaker 1>women in America. Even though, as you say, not everybody

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 1>was watching the show, but she also was dealing with

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>massive health issues and mental health issues and addiction issues.

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 1>So like, in this very short period of time, everything

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 1>rushed at her. And she says that her retreat was

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 1>a choice in many ways. She went to rehab, she

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>got various treatments for her I think it's basically a

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:34.799
<v Speaker 1>form of vender meets triosis, but also a neurological yes,

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 1>So she got treatments, and she moved to England and

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.839
<v Speaker 1>she's now married to an English guy, and I think

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 1>like her life looks very different to how it looked then.

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 1>So she's reflecting on this very intense period. And the

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 1>thing I thought when I was listening to that interview,

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>which was brilliant, The title of that interview was the

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 1>question that she must get asked all the time, which imagine,

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 1>if this is the question that everybody asks you all

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:02.320
<v Speaker 1>the time, why why do you annoy everyone so much?

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I was basically I can't remember exactly what the title was,

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 1>but it's basically a variation on the things she always

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:11.759
<v Speaker 1>get asked are why are you so annoying? And why

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 1>does everyone hate you? Basically the two questions that this

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 1>incredibly accomplished artist gets asked over and over, and the

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>thing that I can't get out of my mind is

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.279
<v Speaker 1>why you would ever step back into that arena? Why

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 1>you would choose to write a memoir that I can't

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 1>wait to read. I haven't read it, and I can't

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:33.319
<v Speaker 1>wait to read it. But the promotional cycle that goes

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 1>with that, like it's a choice, right, Yeah?

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 4>Well she I think her answer to that question of basically,

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:44.759
<v Speaker 4>why do you annoy people so much? Was so good

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:48.399
<v Speaker 4>because she acknowledges that since she was in preschool, she's

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:50.399
<v Speaker 4>annoyed people, She's annoyed.

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:52.919
<v Speaker 2>Other children, she's annoyed, she's just all.

0:35:53.080 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 4>And I found that really freeing today because I I

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:00.880
<v Speaker 4>was just very honest.

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I was like, I.

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 4>Think I was that kid, and I don't know, like

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:09.360
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't aware of why I was annoying everyone. But

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:14.640
<v Speaker 4>it's quite nice to hear somebody be that forthcoming about

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 4>that and a little bit self aware that I'm not critical.

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 1>But I also think it is revisionist history that she

0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:26.360
<v Speaker 1>says that, because I'm sure that's true. To point. The

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 1>thing that I thought lots when I was listening to

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 1>this interview is that like, we do this to people

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 1>all the time, where we hold them up and go

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 1>this woman in particular, we do it to women, represents

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 1>all these things. So the things that you just talked about, Claire,

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>like millennial narcissism, woke culture, body positivity or whatever it is,

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:46.839
<v Speaker 1>that then we want to get irritated with and throw

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:49.359
<v Speaker 1>rocks at her head. And what you actually get when

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:51.440
<v Speaker 1>you listen to what Lena Dunham is saying is she

0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:54.600
<v Speaker 1>is a very particular person with a very particular story.

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 1>She grew up in a very rarefied world. She's the

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>daughter of artists in New York City who grew up

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 1>in a loft and spent her time going to performance

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:05.359
<v Speaker 1>art and you know, foreign films, and she was right

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 1>precociously creating art that then got a platform because of

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 1>who her family was from a very young age. She's

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 1>not an every woman, and yet we want to project

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 1>like every woman onto her when really she's just one

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:23.720
<v Speaker 1>very specific woman telling a very specific story that has

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:26.360
<v Speaker 1>some applications to other people.

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 4>And she sort of That was ultimately the big criticism

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 4>of her. I feel like she her rise intersected with

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 4>so many different movements. She got a lot of criticism

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:42.360
<v Speaker 4>as I think America was becoming a bit more aware

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:48.280
<v Speaker 4>of representations of race in popular culture. People were saying,

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 4>you're making a show about New York City and everyone's white,

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 4>And you could see her try to figure that out

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 4>in real time, which is awkward to watch somebody clearly

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 4>realize that they're doing something wrong. But it's also you're thinking, well,

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 4>we've all got blind spots. But I have been thinking

0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:11.400
<v Speaker 4>about Lena Dunham for a couple of years now because

0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 4>when I was finishing my book and then when I

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:19.920
<v Speaker 4>was doing some interviews about it, I got asked basically,

0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 4>what was the story or what was the thing about

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 4>people getting canceled? And I use that word. You know

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 4>it's a loaded word, but you know, people getting their

0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:35.439
<v Speaker 4>reputation destroyed. What example was it that made you drawn

0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 4>to this subject? And I think the trajectory of Lena

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 4>Dunham's career was so unconsciously. It unconsciously shaped a lot

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:51.120
<v Speaker 4>of how I felt throughout my twenties in that I

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:55.680
<v Speaker 4>almost think it gave a lot of people internalized shame

0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 4>because you watched Lena Dunham. I remember being early twenties

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 4>watching girls and thinking I've never seen anything like this.

0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:06.720
<v Speaker 4>I've never seen a woman who is that frickin' funny

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 4>and doesn't give a shit about how she's not conventionally beautiful, which.

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Is hilarious to say out loud.

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 4>Now she says, she's like, I don't look like that anymore.

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 4>But looking at that, and I just remember thinking I

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 4>want to be her. I want to be her. I've

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:27.360
<v Speaker 4>just never worshiped anything like this, and to see that

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 4>individual so brutally destroyed was really distressing, as like, I

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 4>think there are probably a lot of women who see

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:41.080
<v Speaker 4>that and wanted to yell, this is still radical.

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 2>This is still radical having a.

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:44.920
<v Speaker 4>Woman like that on screen and having a woman who's

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:47.680
<v Speaker 4>who this is a show about friendship, This is a

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:52.760
<v Speaker 4>show about imperfection, and we are saying it's not good enough.

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:57.879
<v Speaker 1>It was the time right because her that rise coincided

0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:03.799
<v Speaker 1>exactly with like peak counselor and a cultural shift that

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:05.880
<v Speaker 1>I think we're on the other side of now really

0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 1>where she was almost like the example held up for

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:13.560
<v Speaker 1>what could happen to you? But I have a radical

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 1>question about this right her life now, as per her

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:22.319
<v Speaker 1>description of it, she's very happy. She gets to make

0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:24.719
<v Speaker 1>loads of art that she loves making. She writes for

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 1>other people, she writes for herself, she works on films.

0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:31.839
<v Speaker 1>She says herself, like that living away from that, the

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 1>heat of that constant perception, constantly being looked at and

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 1>perceived as great. So I think, why do we feel like,

0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 1>why do we feel like there's something sad about that?

0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:48.919
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? Because maybe that's why I

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.799
<v Speaker 1>think her dad would have said, why would you write

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:53.319
<v Speaker 1>this book? Because I'm not saying why would you write

0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 1>this book? I think that she's written, I'm sure a

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 1>beautiful memoir about a really important cultural moment. There's no

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 1>question that that period of of pop culture is fascinating.

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:05.200
<v Speaker 1>But you're also stepping back into an arena that at

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the time we all thought it was really important to

0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:08.840
<v Speaker 1>be in the arena and say what you think and

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 1>have the arguments and did Da da Da, and many

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 1>of us have discovered through getting burnt doing that that

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 1>actually like back away from the arena and do what

0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 1>you want to do and put out what you want

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:22.920
<v Speaker 1>to put out. Like I don't know, I guess what

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to say is why do we think it's

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:27.880
<v Speaker 1>a tragedy? To not be that kind of famous anymore.

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:32.399
<v Speaker 3>I think right now it feels like she's elevated herself

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:35.920
<v Speaker 3>above all the work she's created recently.

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:38.319
<v Speaker 2>I remember a lot of reading a lot of.

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:41.239
<v Speaker 3>The backlash when I started watching Girls for the first time,

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:43.600
<v Speaker 3>and I think it came due to she was so

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:45.799
<v Speaker 3>young when she created that show. She was twenty four.

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 3>Her main character, Hannah, is the person that she also

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:52.360
<v Speaker 3>played in the show, and there were so many direct

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.840
<v Speaker 3>comparisons to Hannah and her real life about wanting to

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:58.319
<v Speaker 3>be an up and coming writer. And the issue with

0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:00.760
<v Speaker 3>The every Woman is that she was in every Woman,

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:02.880
<v Speaker 3>but she was writing the every Woman, and that's the

0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 3>biggest issue I think people took with it, like everyone

0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 3>knew she was an EPO baby and she had like

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 3>this amount of privilege, and yet she was writing about

0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:13.959
<v Speaker 3>these four girls who literally came from nothing and thought

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:17.000
<v Speaker 3>they were the center of everyone's universe, which is how

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:19.800
<v Speaker 3>everybody feels, which is happen everyone feels in their twenties.

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:21.560
<v Speaker 3>But I think it came from this group of people

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:23.800
<v Speaker 3>who were like, but you don't know that everyone feels

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:26.399
<v Speaker 3>like that in your twenties because you weren't experiencing that,

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 3>and I think now with the shows she's creating, like

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:33.880
<v Speaker 3>the latest one Too Much with Megan Salter, I think

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 3>that was the first show I saw of hers where

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:39.000
<v Speaker 3>everyone was like, this is a really good show and

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:40.879
<v Speaker 3>it happens to be created by Lena Dunno.

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 1>She also made a movie like She's She and they

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:44.799
<v Speaker 1>couldn't get any project green lit.

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.360
<v Speaker 3>But it feels like her now she's able to do

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.800
<v Speaker 3>the memoir and like come back as like Lena Dunham

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 3>the person, because that's not going to get reconnected to

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 3>the work she's doing.

0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 4>I do think though, like what you say about the

0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:00.439
<v Speaker 4>criticism of Girls and even it happened with two Much,

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 4>I do think it's a uniquely female experience that you

0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:09.880
<v Speaker 4>make art and everybody analyzes how it does or doesn't

0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:12.399
<v Speaker 4>reflect your real life and whether you have the right

0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:16.719
<v Speaker 4>to tell that story. So with Girls, I remember thinking nobody,

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:19.600
<v Speaker 4>no man, who's making a TV show. Nobody was looking

0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.640
<v Speaker 4>at you know, Seinfeld and being like, well you didn't

0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:24.880
<v Speaker 4>consider X y Z. And I know it's a different

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:26.759
<v Speaker 4>time and all of that, but I do think it's

0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:30.560
<v Speaker 4>uniquely female that we analyze it to that extent, And

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:32.719
<v Speaker 4>with too much. It was very much people, and I

0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:36.840
<v Speaker 4>did it drawing parallels between her relationship with Jack Antnoff

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:37.279
<v Speaker 4>and all of that.

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 2>But in terms of the why, the why.

0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 4>For her doing this because it is what her father says,

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:46.920
<v Speaker 4>and you do think it while you're listening to her speaking,

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:52.840
<v Speaker 4>I think ultimately we all have a deep human instinct

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 4>to be understood, and I think she probably still feels misunderstood,

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 4>like from everything when you go back and look at

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:06.600
<v Speaker 4>all the stuff that she got quote unquote canceled for.

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 4>So much of it is absurd and some of it

0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:15.040
<v Speaker 4>is really legitimate, which she acknowledges that she needed to

0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 4>apologize for things and that she did. But I do

0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:23.080
<v Speaker 4>think that you can tell she kind of outwardly says,

0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 4>this isn't what she's doing, but I think she wants

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:26.480
<v Speaker 4>to be understood.

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:28.439
<v Speaker 1>And I also thing she wants to sell a book,

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:30.759
<v Speaker 1>which is wrong with that, and she's doing it very

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:32.920
<v Speaker 1>well like her role out for it's been great. But

0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:35.000
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. I think it's interesting if fame makes

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:36.960
<v Speaker 1>you sick, which we know it does to a lot

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 1>of people, and she says in that interview, never give

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:40.839
<v Speaker 1>someone under thirty Lots of money, nothing good will come

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:42.960
<v Speaker 1>of it, you know, like all of those things there are.

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Culture and history is littered with examples of people who

0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:50.320
<v Speaker 1>get really successful and really famous young and it doesn't

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:52.359
<v Speaker 1>go well. And it seems like she's in a good place.

0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:54.359
<v Speaker 1>Last week, one of the best selling words at her

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:57.960
<v Speaker 1>times unmasked herself. If you've ever read The Housemaid, such

0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:00.839
<v Speaker 1>a good book or seen the movie, it's written by

0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 1>a woman called Freedom McFadden. Now what you may or

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:05.839
<v Speaker 1>may not know is that that's not the real writer's name,

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 1>and that she's also written twenty five books, and that

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:12.520
<v Speaker 1>until last week nobody knew who she was. Those books,

0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:15.120
<v Speaker 1>The Housemate and all the others have sold more than

0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:19.359
<v Speaker 1>thirty six million copies. So we are talking about an

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 1>unbelievably successful author. She at one point last year I think,

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 1>had like thirteen books in the top one hundred or

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:28.839
<v Speaker 1>something crazy like. That's certainly three in the top ten

0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:31.680
<v Speaker 1>in New York. She's a best selling author in Britain,

0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:34.840
<v Speaker 1>all over the world. She is actually a doctor called

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:38.959
<v Speaker 1>Sarah Cohen. She's forty five. She's a physician who specializes

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 1>in brain disorders, and she started writing because she loves it. Obviously,

0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 1>because why wouldn't you, And she started self publishing under

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:49.839
<v Speaker 1>a pseudonym because she was a doctor, and she was like,

0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I thought that maybe one day my goal would be

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 1>to keep it secret until I was ready to step

0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:55.800
<v Speaker 1>back from my doctor job, so it wouldn't be like

0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:58.080
<v Speaker 1>everyone I worked with suddenly new and it compromised my

0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 1>ability to do my job. Fair enough, But when you've

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:05.480
<v Speaker 1>sold that many books, you could have very happily sailed

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:07.799
<v Speaker 1>off into the sunset as freedom McFadden for a really

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:12.200
<v Speaker 1>long time, forever, like you don't need the spotlight. Because

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:14.840
<v Speaker 1>when I saw last week that she had told a

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<v Speaker 1>journalist her real name, her real face, her real everything.

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<v Speaker 1>She often wears a wig if she's out in public,

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff to disguise herself, I thought, oh, mate, because

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<v Speaker 1>now everyone's going to do to her what you were

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<v Speaker 1>just describing Claire, which is what we particularly do to women,

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<v Speaker 1>where instead of just going, oh, she wrote this book.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this book, we go who is this woman?

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<v Speaker 1>Which bits of her life are in this book? Does

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<v Speaker 1>she deserve to tell this story? Oh she's married to

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<v Speaker 1>so and so, or she's not married to so and so,

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<v Speaker 1>or she has kids, or she doesn't have kids or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever that now we're obsessed with finding out about the

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<v Speaker 1>people who create the things we like. And I it's

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<v Speaker 1>such a dilemma to me that I would not to

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<v Speaker 1>me personally, obviously, But if I was Freedom McFadden, why

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<v Speaker 1>would I ever not just stay behind the scenes and

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<v Speaker 1>count my money and write the book I want to

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<v Speaker 1>write and live in a big, beautiful house and get

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<v Speaker 1>to walk through the streets with no one knowing who

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<v Speaker 1>I am.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there is also a human instinct to take

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<v Speaker 4>credit and to put them to be known and to

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<v Speaker 4>be known like and I think that it is like

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<v Speaker 4>you always have this weird thing, Holly, where you want

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<v Speaker 4>to be out of Elton, John and Bernie talk in

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<v Speaker 4>you want to be Bernie Well, because.

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<v Speaker 1>Fame isn't good for anyone.

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<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, but I'm type three and achiever.

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<v Speaker 1>It is good for me. But it's not though you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what I mean. Like achieving is the money,

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<v Speaker 1>the recognition, the respect of your peers, like all those things,

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<v Speaker 1>But there are very few people in the world who'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, Oh, it's amazing that I can walk down

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<v Speaker 1>the street and everyone stares at me and I can't, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, what I mean, Okay, but imagine like you wrote

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<v Speaker 3>under an alias, and then you're walking along and you

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<v Speaker 3>meet someone and they're like, I just read the most

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<v Speaker 3>amazing books. I think, if you don't want to be

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<v Speaker 3>like me by this or the named Wally Hayne Wright,

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<v Speaker 3>have you heard of it? It's so good, there's no

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<v Speaker 3>way you're going to be like wow.

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<v Speaker 1>What I think is because obviously my real life, like

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<v Speaker 1>we all use social media and all of these things

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<v Speaker 1>to work, like to promote ourselves and promote our books,

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<v Speaker 1>and i live publicly in lots of ways, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>got the teeniest tiniest taste of what it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>for people to recognize you and come up and say

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<v Speaker 1>I love what you do, and it does feel really good.

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<v Speaker 1>But also I've got the teeniest tiniest taste of what

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like to know that people are looking at

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<v Speaker 1>you in a room. And I mean, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to sound like a dickhead, like I've got the

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<v Speaker 1>teeniest tiniest little midgeon of that. If I imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>multiplied and multiplied and multiplied, I can't see where it

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<v Speaker 1>goes anywhere good. And just though I guess in my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wouldn't it be amazing to be Freedom mcfannon

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<v Speaker 1>and be or Lena Dunham and get to live my

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful life. It's too late for her, She's already famous.

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<v Speaker 1>Live my beautiful life, create my beautiful art, have financial

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<v Speaker 1>success and respect and not the fame bit.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think, as these are both writers that we're

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<v Speaker 4>referring to, obviously Freedom mcfathm's fiction and Lena Dunham has

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<v Speaker 4>written memoir, I think when you're a writer, your whole

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<v Speaker 4>life is about making sense of yourself, and it's incredibly narcissistic,

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<v Speaker 4>but like wrestling with who am I and what is

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<v Speaker 4>my story and all of that. I completely Lena Dunham

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<v Speaker 4>coming back and writing this memoir feels like the most

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<v Speaker 4>inevitable thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh for sure, it really does.

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<v Speaker 1>And she'll write another one in twenty years about this

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<v Speaker 1>period of her life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And I, as somebody who have followed her and adored

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<v Speaker 4>girls and scene the trajectory of her career, I think

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<v Speaker 4>that there is enormous value in her writing that memoir

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<v Speaker 4>and her coming out now and speak thing about those experiences.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think it would be a huge shame if

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<v Speaker 4>women like her were publicly shamed to the extent that

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<v Speaker 4>they retreated from public life and never came back.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>Because then public life, the public arena, would only be

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<v Speaker 4>occupied by a certain type of woman who is not

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<v Speaker 4>Lena Dunham and a certain set of experience.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you entirely on that, because one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things you hear all the time is why women

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<v Speaker 1>often don't want to put themselves forward for leadership positions

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<v Speaker 1>that are public facing, for political positions that are public facing,

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<v Speaker 1>is because they know that the amount we've all seen,

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<v Speaker 1>as you've just expressed, like the cautionary tale of what

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<v Speaker 1>happens if the world or the internet decides that you're

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong type of woman. We all know that right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would be a shame. I entirely agree. I

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<v Speaker 1>just I wrestle with that idea of how you who

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<v Speaker 1>can handle it? Like who can handle that level of

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<v Speaker 1>attention and criticism and push on. I'm very glad that

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<v Speaker 1>she is. Don't get me wrong, I'm not like shut

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<v Speaker 1>up lady at all about her. I think she's fascinated,

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<v Speaker 1>But I also think, wow, you must have balls, and.

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<v Speaker 4>For anyone, for anyone listening who deals with chronic illness

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<v Speaker 4>or chronic pain. There's a very interesting theory that the

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<v Speaker 4>interviewer puts forward in that New York Times interview that

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<v Speaker 4>she's basically able to withstand such negative negative feedback, such

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<v Speaker 4>like social torture, because of what she's been going through

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<v Speaker 4>physically her whole life. And I think that's a really

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<v Speaker 4>interesting theory for anybody who has lived with chronic illness.

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<v Speaker 2>That was good.

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<v Speaker 4>That was good, That was very meaty.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a big.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting out louders. I'm not saying that was good to you,

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<v Speaker 1>because you get to decide that. You're like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>that was Laura out loud as Happy Monday. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for being here with us, for having us in your ears.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, we adore you. We'll be back with you

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<v Speaker 1>on Wednesday. Mire, we're back, which all right, we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>back to you on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye.

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<v Speaker 4>Mummy acknowledges the traditional owners

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<v Speaker 2>Of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.