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Speaker 1: daily entertainment podcast, The Spill. So for the past five years,

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Speaker 2: From Mom and Maya. Welcome to The Spill, your daily

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Speaker 2: and oh my god, do we have an episode for you.

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Speaker 1: of Austraya in the last few years, like some of

430
00:19:34,069 --> 00:19:37,189
Speaker 1: the performances she's done a completely groundbreaking. The role she

431
00:19:37,189 --> 00:19:38,949
Speaker 1: has coming up are really exciting, like she's going to

432
00:19:38,989 --> 00:19:41,629
Speaker 1: be like a Margo Robbie level famous in a couple

433
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:44,069
Speaker 1: of years from Australia. And so when I heard she

434
00:19:44,189 --> 00:19:46,069
Speaker 1: was in Baby Girls, like, oh, it's so exciting for her,

435
00:19:46,109 --> 00:19:48,229
Speaker 1: like her and a call to Australian gals. And then

436
00:19:48,269 --> 00:19:50,669
Speaker 1: when I saw her performance, I was like, oh, is

437
00:19:50,709 --> 00:19:53,229
Speaker 1: it almost wasted that you've got Sophie wild in here,

438
00:19:53,789 --> 00:19:56,149
Speaker 1: because when you're actually watching the movie, it feels like

439
00:19:56,189 --> 00:19:57,909
Speaker 1: maybe a bit of a nothing role. But the more

440
00:19:57,949 --> 00:19:59,509
Speaker 1: I thought about it, I was like, it's actually good

441
00:19:59,549 --> 00:20:01,549
Speaker 1: to have an actress of her caliber in that role

442
00:20:01,749 --> 00:20:05,149
Speaker 1: because it could have come off as very one dimensional,

443
00:20:05,229 --> 00:20:09,349
Speaker 1: like complaining work woman, whereas she gives an extra depth

444
00:20:09,349 --> 00:20:10,829
Speaker 1: to it, like the look on her face when she

445
00:20:10,949 --> 00:20:14,989
Speaker 1: realizes what Samuel and Romi are doing, Like you see

446
00:20:14,989 --> 00:20:17,069
Speaker 1: it all go through her eyes of like realizing it,

447
00:20:17,149 --> 00:20:20,149
Speaker 1: being horrified, and then like making a decision, and that's

448
00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:21,829
Speaker 1: all just done through Sophie World's face.

449
00:20:21,869 --> 00:20:24,949
Speaker 2: But it feels he destroyed her life, like I feel

450
00:20:24,949 --> 00:20:27,309
Speaker 2: like when I saw that scene in particular, I saw

451
00:20:27,389 --> 00:20:30,749
Speaker 2: like everything that has happened to her like up until

452
00:20:30,829 --> 00:20:33,269
Speaker 2: that moment, because I feel like every young woman, like

453
00:20:33,429 --> 00:20:35,789
Speaker 2: a professional young woman, would have experienced it. Like There's

454
00:20:35,789 --> 00:20:38,549
Speaker 2: been times where I've been in my career where my

455
00:20:38,709 --> 00:20:41,269
Speaker 2: manager or my boss I think about them twenty four

456
00:20:41,309 --> 00:20:43,029
Speaker 2: to seven, Like I'm at drinks with my girlfriends and

457
00:20:43,069 --> 00:20:45,029
Speaker 2: we're talking about how to have that next conversation with

458
00:20:45,109 --> 00:20:46,869
Speaker 2: them and talking about how to ask for a page

459
00:20:46,909 --> 00:20:49,629
Speaker 2: eyes and they're just like infiltrated your life in every

460
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:53,189
Speaker 2: single like little pocket. And I know that my manager

461
00:20:53,229 --> 00:20:54,709
Speaker 2: only thinks about me when she sees me.

462
00:20:54,949 --> 00:20:57,869
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the interesting thing is I've been on both

463
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:59,949
Speaker 1: sides of that. I've been the person who I think

464
00:20:59,989 --> 00:21:01,829
Speaker 1: about what my manager thinks of me and my work,

465
00:21:01,909 --> 00:21:04,949
Speaker 1: like weekend nights all the time when I'm on holidays,

466
00:21:04,989 --> 00:21:07,029
Speaker 1: and I'm always like, oh, they'll think this, they'll think

467
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:08,749
Speaker 1: that of me, like or they're thinking this, or they're

468
00:21:08,749 --> 00:21:10,589
Speaker 1: they're judging me on that, or they're worry about this

469
00:21:10,629 --> 00:21:12,229
Speaker 1: to me. And then you actually when you sit down

470
00:21:12,229 --> 00:21:13,589
Speaker 1: with them, you're like, Oh, you don't think about me

471
00:21:13,629 --> 00:21:16,229
Speaker 1: at all, except when I'm in a meeting that you alive.

472
00:21:16,469 --> 00:21:18,029
Speaker 1: And then I've had the same thing where I've been

473
00:21:18,029 --> 00:21:20,109
Speaker 1: managing people and then they've called meetings to me and

474
00:21:20,109 --> 00:21:22,069
Speaker 1: they've gone through stuff and they're going like, maybe you

475
00:21:22,109 --> 00:21:23,989
Speaker 1: feel this, maybe you're doing that, and I'm like, except

476
00:21:23,989 --> 00:21:25,829
Speaker 1: when I've had to think of you at my work

477
00:21:25,829 --> 00:21:28,669
Speaker 1: hours this week, you have not crossed my mind outside

478
00:21:28,669 --> 00:21:29,269
Speaker 1: of work hours.

479
00:21:29,269 --> 00:21:31,949
Speaker 2: And I think you see that in Esma's face, like

480
00:21:31,989 --> 00:21:34,389
Speaker 2: when she's like, oh, we're still talking, like she still

481
00:21:34,429 --> 00:21:36,909
Speaker 2: hasn't got me my promotion. Yeah, And you just see

482
00:21:36,949 --> 00:21:38,989
Speaker 2: that in our eyes and you feel so sad, but

483
00:21:38,989 --> 00:21:40,949
Speaker 2: you're also like, yes, what did you expect.

484
00:21:41,069 --> 00:21:44,429
Speaker 1: I know I did not expect to take away workplace

485
00:21:44,509 --> 00:21:47,189
Speaker 1: politics from this movie, and I'm sure people who listen

486
00:21:47,229 --> 00:21:48,989
Speaker 1: to the podcast that's not what they're after. But that's

487
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:49,469
Speaker 1: what we got.

488
00:21:49,509 --> 00:21:57,349
Speaker 2: That's what we got. Oh, being a CEO means being

489
00:21:57,349 --> 00:21:59,629
Speaker 2: a nurturer and a collaborator.

490
00:22:00,829 --> 00:22:01,949
Speaker 1: No, what.

491
00:22:04,229 --> 00:22:04,429
Speaker 4: Is that?

492
00:22:04,469 --> 00:22:05,269
Speaker 2: What you want.

493
00:22:07,309 --> 00:22:08,909
Speaker 1: The happiest fantasies?

494
00:22:09,189 --> 00:22:09,709
Speaker 2: What do you mean?

495
00:22:10,869 --> 00:22:24,149
Speaker 3: It's about giving and taking hour, whatever you do, whatever

496
00:22:24,229 --> 00:22:26,789
Speaker 3: you know me to do. Good girl.

497
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:30,069
Speaker 1: Other really interesting bit of casting before we move on

498
00:22:30,109 --> 00:22:33,909
Speaker 1: to the sexy scenes is that Romy's daughter Isabelle. The

499
00:22:33,949 --> 00:22:36,229
Speaker 1: other daughter doesn't really get much spare time. That's fine.

500
00:22:36,309 --> 00:22:39,469
Speaker 1: Romy's daughter Isabelle. Yeah, the meaning Yeah, well, the more

501
00:22:39,469 --> 00:22:42,109
Speaker 1: complex one who's going through something, cheating on her girlfriend

502
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:44,309
Speaker 1: and is kind of holds a mirror up to some

503
00:22:44,349 --> 00:22:48,669
Speaker 1: things that are happening in her mother's life. Yes, quite nice.

504
00:22:49,269 --> 00:22:52,749
Speaker 1: Is played by Esther McGregor who is you baby? Yes,

505
00:22:52,909 --> 00:22:55,349
Speaker 1: an EPO baby who you know has gotten this role

506
00:22:55,389 --> 00:22:57,709
Speaker 1: through her father Who is You? And McGregor who very

507
00:22:57,749 --> 00:23:00,709
Speaker 1: infamously starred with Nicole Kidman. He could have been the

508
00:23:00,789 --> 00:23:03,349
Speaker 1: husband in mo One Rouge. No, he doesn't have it.

509
00:23:03,349 --> 00:23:06,309
Speaker 1: It had to be Antonio And again, like again, she's

510
00:23:06,389 --> 00:23:08,229
Speaker 1: great in this role Esther McGregor, and I think she's

511
00:23:08,229 --> 00:23:10,789
Speaker 1: a really interesting actress. But it is a big part

512
00:23:10,829 --> 00:23:13,269
Speaker 1: of the movie's promo. Nicole brought it up all the time.

513
00:23:13,589 --> 00:23:16,189
Speaker 1: That was Ewan's daughter who was playing her daughter. So

514
00:23:16,229 --> 00:23:19,229
Speaker 1: it was this kind of big circle moment from Mulan Rouge.

515
00:23:19,349 --> 00:23:22,269
Speaker 1: And you know, whenever any publicity information came out about

516
00:23:22,269 --> 00:23:25,509
Speaker 1: the movie, it was always like Esther McGregor, daughter of You,

517
00:23:25,589 --> 00:23:26,949
Speaker 1: And so it does it gives her like a bit

518
00:23:26,949 --> 00:23:28,669
Speaker 1: of extra promo to be in the movie. But she

519
00:23:28,749 --> 00:23:29,069
Speaker 1: was great.

520
00:23:29,309 --> 00:23:29,909
Speaker 2: She was good.

521
00:23:30,189 --> 00:23:33,429
Speaker 1: Okay, so we need to talk about the moment where

522
00:23:33,789 --> 00:23:36,709
Speaker 1: romy and Samuel meet for the first time, which is

523
00:23:36,709 --> 00:23:38,349
Speaker 1: on the street with the dog thoughts.

524
00:23:38,429 --> 00:23:40,269
Speaker 2: Oh, I forgot about that.

525
00:23:40,349 --> 00:23:42,269
Speaker 1: Did you want this was an important part of the movie.

526
00:23:42,629 --> 00:23:45,469
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is actually now that you mentioned it. I

527
00:23:45,589 --> 00:23:48,109
Speaker 2: was thinking of when she was introduced him as like

528
00:23:48,189 --> 00:23:51,029
Speaker 2: the intern. Yeah, in their lock eyes. No, the dog

529
00:23:51,069 --> 00:23:52,269
Speaker 2: part was weird to me.

530
00:23:52,429 --> 00:23:55,229
Speaker 1: It's almost too like meta in terms like it just

531
00:23:55,309 --> 00:23:56,989
Speaker 1: hits you over the head with the premise of what's

532
00:23:56,989 --> 00:23:59,429
Speaker 1: to come in a way that's almost too heavy handed. Yes,

533
00:23:59,549 --> 00:24:02,069
Speaker 1: like he's taming this dog and the dog submits to him,

534
00:24:02,069 --> 00:24:03,229
Speaker 1: and she's looking at him and she's.

535
00:24:03,109 --> 00:24:07,029
Speaker 2: Getting turned on by Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I do

536
00:24:07,069 --> 00:24:09,709
Speaker 2: want to say that, like she did what I felt

537
00:24:09,709 --> 00:24:12,269
Speaker 2: like we were all thinking because I don't know how

538
00:24:12,269 --> 00:24:14,669
Speaker 2: he acted that way, but like in the whole dog scene,

539
00:24:15,189 --> 00:24:18,149
Speaker 2: he knew what he was doing without even realizing it. Yeah,

540
00:24:18,269 --> 00:24:20,469
Speaker 2: he obviously recognized her because he's like, I'm about to

541
00:24:20,509 --> 00:24:22,629
Speaker 2: work for that woman. Yeah, and then he just saw

542
00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:25,709
Speaker 2: something in her eye and then like gently started like

543
00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:30,829
Speaker 2: patting the dog and got really quiet, and the treats

544
00:24:30,869 --> 00:24:34,029
Speaker 2: in his pocket because like after that whole situation, she

545
00:24:34,029 --> 00:24:35,589
Speaker 2: was taking the back because she need got attacked by

546
00:24:35,589 --> 00:24:38,589
Speaker 2: the dog. And then you see them formally meet as

547
00:24:38,669 --> 00:24:41,509
Speaker 2: like with the group of interns, and then she approaches

548
00:24:41,589 --> 00:24:42,989
Speaker 2: him in the kitchen and she was like, how did

549
00:24:42,989 --> 00:24:44,829
Speaker 2: you get that dog to come down? And he was like,

550
00:24:45,149 --> 00:24:46,989
Speaker 2: I had treats in my pocket, do you want one?

551
00:24:47,709 --> 00:24:51,829
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, that's where it starts. And

552
00:24:51,869 --> 00:24:53,429
Speaker 2: he knew he got her in that moment.

553
00:24:53,629 --> 00:24:56,549
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where the power dynamic between them starts to shift.

554
00:24:56,869 --> 00:24:58,429
Speaker 1: And I've seen a lot of people like kind of

555
00:24:58,469 --> 00:25:01,389
Speaker 1: mock them. Milk scene in the bar when he sends

556
00:25:01,429 --> 00:25:03,429
Speaker 1: the milk over to her table and they lock eyes

557
00:25:03,749 --> 00:25:06,109
Speaker 1: and she downs in one go, and that it's weird

558
00:25:06,109 --> 00:25:08,349
Speaker 1: how like a tall glass of milk has really become

559
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:11,149
Speaker 1: almost one of like the biggest takeaways in the movie,

560
00:25:11,189 --> 00:25:13,349
Speaker 1: like to call him in took a glass of milk

561
00:25:13,389 --> 00:25:15,669
Speaker 1: on stage and award show people have handed her milk

562
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:18,109
Speaker 1: on red carpet. She's posed with glasses of milk. It's

563
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:23,189
Speaker 1: become a real symbol of like subservience to a sexual partner.

564
00:25:22,829 --> 00:25:26,029
Speaker 2: Because it's baby, right, like only babies drink. Now she's

565
00:25:26,109 --> 00:25:27,949
Speaker 2: like drinking milk and she's the baby girl.

566
00:25:28,189 --> 00:25:32,469
Speaker 1: Yeah, good girl. I mean that's not that deep.

567
00:25:32,989 --> 00:25:36,189
Speaker 2: You're like the amount of like critical analysis I read

568
00:25:36,229 --> 00:25:38,589
Speaker 2: about this fucking glass of milk. It's not that deep.

569
00:25:38,669 --> 00:25:39,469
Speaker 2: Like we all get it.

570
00:25:39,509 --> 00:25:41,029
Speaker 1: I know, like I said, they're beating you over the

571
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:42,949
Speaker 1: hair with it. It's not to be this really.

572
00:25:42,829 --> 00:25:46,509
Speaker 2: Hidden something by giving us like a full analog of

573
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:48,309
Speaker 2: the history of milk. It's not that deep.

574
00:25:48,469 --> 00:25:50,269
Speaker 1: She sees him tame the dog, she wants him to

575
00:25:50,309 --> 00:25:52,069
Speaker 1: tame her. He tells her to drink the milk. She

576
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:54,109
Speaker 1: does it to sort of signal like I'm in the game,

577
00:25:54,229 --> 00:25:55,509
Speaker 1: and right, it's not that deep.

578
00:25:55,549 --> 00:25:57,349
Speaker 2: And then they like you have to move on, and

579
00:25:57,389 --> 00:25:58,269
Speaker 2: that's our brutally.

580
00:26:00,789 --> 00:26:02,469
Speaker 1: What did you think about the scenes early on in

581
00:26:02,469 --> 00:26:04,989
Speaker 1: the movie where you see like roomy kind of running

582
00:26:04,989 --> 00:26:07,789
Speaker 1: her family, running her big business empire, but also having

583
00:26:07,829 --> 00:26:10,069
Speaker 1: to take the time out of her busy daye like

584
00:26:10,189 --> 00:26:12,349
Speaker 1: go and get all her beauty treatments, and actually having

585
00:26:12,349 --> 00:26:15,309
Speaker 1: a shot of a botox needle going into Nicole Kim's

586
00:26:15,349 --> 00:26:17,029
Speaker 1: face because that's not something you see in these kind

587
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:17,909
Speaker 1: of movies very often.

588
00:26:17,989 --> 00:26:22,749
Speaker 2: Okay, the mentioning of her age without actually mentioning it

589
00:26:22,909 --> 00:26:25,549
Speaker 2: was so scary to me, Like this is probably the

590
00:26:25,549 --> 00:26:26,589
Speaker 2: most the thriller part.

591
00:26:26,669 --> 00:26:28,829
Speaker 1: Really, this is the thriller because.

592
00:26:28,629 --> 00:26:32,589
Speaker 2: I think it's I felt like every mum has experienced this,

593
00:26:33,149 --> 00:26:35,989
Speaker 2: but it's the first time I've actually seen it in cinema.

594
00:26:36,029 --> 00:26:38,629
Speaker 2: And I want to talk about two instances where the

595
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:41,029
Speaker 2: fact her age was brought up in a really like

596
00:26:41,549 --> 00:26:44,629
Speaker 2: upsetting way that I found upsetting personally. And the first

597
00:26:44,709 --> 00:26:47,509
Speaker 2: time was when she came down in the kitchen and

598
00:26:47,549 --> 00:26:49,789
Speaker 2: was like telling her daughter to do something, you like

599
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:52,149
Speaker 2: eat breakfast or something, and her daughter was like, why

600
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:53,669
Speaker 2: do you get all that shit in your face? Like

601
00:26:53,709 --> 00:26:56,989
Speaker 2: she looks crazy and yeah, and like it's one of

602
00:26:57,069 --> 00:27:00,149
Speaker 2: those things that I feel like not even teenagers, but

603
00:27:00,189 --> 00:27:01,669
Speaker 2: like even like kids who are like a bit younger

604
00:27:01,669 --> 00:27:04,789
Speaker 2: than teenagers, who they know like where to hit you at,

605
00:27:04,829 --> 00:27:07,709
Speaker 2: like your most insecure point, and they just go hard

606
00:27:07,749 --> 00:27:09,549
Speaker 2: and they know they can do it because they're kids.

607
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:12,749
Speaker 2: And it's like something that I feel like I've also

608
00:27:13,069 --> 00:27:15,149
Speaker 2: leant into when I was younger, Like you just want

609
00:27:15,149 --> 00:27:17,309
Speaker 2: to find like hurt someone, So that's the first thing

610
00:27:17,349 --> 00:27:19,869
Speaker 2: you go to. It's so common with young girls as well,

611
00:27:20,069 --> 00:27:23,189
Speaker 2: like you just know that there's a deeper reason why

612
00:27:23,229 --> 00:27:26,469
Speaker 2: you're seeing like older women like make these altercations to

613
00:27:26,509 --> 00:27:28,869
Speaker 2: their faces and their bodies, and you know it's like

614
00:27:28,869 --> 00:27:30,749
Speaker 2: a pain point and then you just go hard.

615
00:27:30,829 --> 00:27:31,029
Speaker 1: Yeah.

616
00:27:31,069 --> 00:27:32,989
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was the first time I was like,

617
00:27:33,149 --> 00:27:35,109
Speaker 2: oh my god, like yeah to mess up, and as

618
00:27:35,149 --> 00:27:37,149
Speaker 2: a mom, because she's a mom, she just had to

619
00:27:37,149 --> 00:27:38,989
Speaker 2: be like like roll her eyes and be like oh whatever,

620
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:42,109
Speaker 2: like that would have genuinely stung, Like that would have actually.

621
00:27:41,829 --> 00:27:44,509
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because there's a few times in the movie

622
00:27:44,629 --> 00:27:47,549
Speaker 1: when Nicole Kimmen's or Romy's age is like throw it

623
00:27:47,549 --> 00:27:50,109
Speaker 1: in her face through her daughter, and then Samuel does

624
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:51,509
Speaker 1: it later on, and it's kind of.

625
00:27:51,469 --> 00:27:53,909
Speaker 2: That's the second one, yeah, And it's kind of.

626
00:27:53,829 --> 00:27:55,829
Speaker 1: Just reminded that no matter, like you can be like

627
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:58,909
Speaker 1: conventionally beautiful and attractive, like she is successful, rich, all

628
00:27:58,949 --> 00:28:00,669
Speaker 1: these things, but the worst thing you can say to

629
00:28:00,709 --> 00:28:03,069
Speaker 1: a woman is that she's old, even in a movie

630
00:28:03,069 --> 00:28:04,629
Speaker 1: like this, I guess I mean in a movie like this,

631
00:28:04,669 --> 00:28:06,509
Speaker 1: like it's trying to highlight that as a way to

632
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:08,909
Speaker 1: be subversive. And I also think it was just interesting

633
00:28:08,909 --> 00:28:12,069
Speaker 1: because Nicole Kimmen is someone who the chat around her

634
00:28:12,109 --> 00:28:13,869
Speaker 1: face and what does she have done and how much

635
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:16,189
Speaker 1: is she lying about and she never talks about it,

636
00:28:16,509 --> 00:28:18,749
Speaker 1: and then they showed the botox needle going in. It's

637
00:28:18,749 --> 00:28:21,749
Speaker 1: almost like alluding to this idea of there's always something

638
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:24,109
Speaker 1: happening behind the scenes to make a woman look like

639
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:27,069
Speaker 1: she's worthy of success and worthy to like be in

640
00:28:27,109 --> 00:28:28,509
Speaker 1: the conversation still.

641
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:30,549
Speaker 2: Yes, And it's also the way that she reacted to

642
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:33,429
Speaker 2: those moments, Like the second time, as you mentioned, was

643
00:28:33,469 --> 00:28:36,349
Speaker 2: the time where both her and Samuel were in the

644
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:39,389
Speaker 2: car and she was telling him that like she doesn't

645
00:28:39,389 --> 00:28:41,829
Speaker 2: think that they should continue their romantic relationship, and she

646
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:44,789
Speaker 2: locks the car doors and he freaks out and he's like,

647
00:28:44,869 --> 00:28:47,029
Speaker 2: open the fucking door, open the door, yeah, And he's like,

648
00:28:47,109 --> 00:28:48,829
Speaker 2: if you think that like I'm going to fall in

649
00:28:48,869 --> 00:28:49,349
Speaker 2: love with you.

650
00:28:49,389 --> 00:28:49,709
Speaker 1: I'm not.

651
00:28:49,749 --> 00:28:52,109
Speaker 2: You're like a mom. Yeah, and she's like, okay, just

652
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:54,429
Speaker 2: calm down. And so things were like if I was

653
00:28:54,429 --> 00:28:56,789
Speaker 2: in that situation like with Samuel and he like called

654
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:59,069
Speaker 2: me like a mom, would like inverted comments because we

655
00:28:59,149 --> 00:29:01,029
Speaker 2: know what that actually means. It actually means by that,

656
00:29:01,229 --> 00:29:03,069
Speaker 2: plus her daughter is saying why together that's in your face?

657
00:29:03,309 --> 00:29:05,469
Speaker 2: Is those moments that if I was in that situation,

658
00:29:05,749 --> 00:29:08,669
Speaker 2: I would have like broken down I had and been

659
00:29:08,709 --> 00:29:11,909
Speaker 2: really upset. Because you see her in this position like

660
00:29:11,949 --> 00:29:14,269
Speaker 2: a woman in power, you like kind of can tell

661
00:29:14,309 --> 00:29:16,349
Speaker 2: that she took a real long time to get into

662
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:19,869
Speaker 2: that position. She can't break down and every single time

663
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:21,389
Speaker 2: that happens to her, because it would have happened to

664
00:29:21,389 --> 00:29:24,309
Speaker 2: her like constantly. Yeah, So it gets to a point

665
00:29:24,309 --> 00:29:26,429
Speaker 2: where now when people like dig at her about her

666
00:29:26,469 --> 00:29:28,909
Speaker 2: looks or her age or something about her, she just

667
00:29:28,949 --> 00:29:31,029
Speaker 2: has to brush it off. Yeah, Like she can't react

668
00:29:31,069 --> 00:29:32,909
Speaker 2: because otherwise she'll be racking to everything.

669
00:29:33,189 --> 00:29:36,149
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, oh my god, so many lazy. That's an

670
00:29:36,189 --> 00:29:37,989
Speaker 1: interesting thing about this movie to kind of now get

671
00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:40,189
Speaker 1: into the first time that they hook up, is that

672
00:29:40,429 --> 00:29:42,629
Speaker 1: even though they kept saying like it's an erotic thriller

673
00:29:42,709 --> 00:29:45,789
Speaker 1: or it's an erotic drama. Through the whole press to her,

674
00:29:45,869 --> 00:29:48,949
Speaker 1: they were really pushing the drama side of it, and

675
00:29:48,949 --> 00:29:50,909
Speaker 1: no one was really listening because they were just hearing

676
00:29:50,989 --> 00:29:53,669
Speaker 1: orgasms and milk. And so when you come into their

677
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:56,229
Speaker 1: first sex scene, there's like this really heightened excitement of like, yes,

678
00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:58,909
Speaker 1: we're finally going to see the good stuff, and then

679
00:29:59,149 --> 00:30:00,949
Speaker 1: it doesn't really pan out like that. Like I think

680
00:30:00,949 --> 00:30:02,829
Speaker 1: if you come into this movie thinking it was going

681
00:30:02,909 --> 00:30:05,149
Speaker 1: to be some I know, fifty Shades of Gray is

682
00:30:05,189 --> 00:30:06,989
Speaker 1: like an offensive term or at the time to the

683
00:30:06,989 --> 00:30:09,469
Speaker 1: BDSM community because they felt like it was off the rails.

684
00:30:09,469 --> 00:30:12,949
Speaker 1: But it does, I think, represent this very commercialized idea

685
00:30:12,949 --> 00:30:17,589
Speaker 1: of taking that particular sexual preference and making it almost

686
00:30:17,589 --> 00:30:20,949
Speaker 1: like a fantasy. Like you it's this ritually suave man

687
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:24,309
Speaker 1: who easily can make you orgasm and becomes obsessed with you,

688
00:30:24,709 --> 00:30:27,469
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people were thinking that

689
00:30:27,469 --> 00:30:29,269
Speaker 1: that's what this movie was going to be about. But

690
00:30:29,309 --> 00:30:31,389
Speaker 1: when they get into the hotel room and have sex

691
00:30:31,389 --> 00:30:35,149
Speaker 1: for the first time, it's almost have you seen a movie, secretary? No, Okay,

692
00:30:35,309 --> 00:30:37,709
Speaker 1: definitely go and watch that that's Maggie Dyllen Hall, but

693
00:30:37,749 --> 00:30:41,109
Speaker 1: it's a similar kind of thing with a workplace BDSM relationship,

694
00:30:41,109 --> 00:30:44,349
Speaker 1: but it's much closer to how that particular sexual preference

695
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:46,029
Speaker 1: plays out where they think. This was a bit of

696
00:30:46,029 --> 00:30:48,949
Speaker 1: a different dynamic. But I loved how you see Roomy

697
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:52,589
Speaker 1: come to the hotel room to meet him, and when

698
00:30:52,629 --> 00:30:55,029
Speaker 1: she decides to submit to him for the first time,

699
00:30:55,309 --> 00:30:57,589
Speaker 1: and that's when you see like he's not this sexual

700
00:30:57,749 --> 00:31:01,069
Speaker 1: mastermind or because he has been dominating her and being

701
00:31:01,109 --> 00:31:04,109
Speaker 1: like the more empower one. There's always been a push

702
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:06,509
Speaker 1: and pull before that, where like he would go to

703
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:08,269
Speaker 1: kiss her and then she would time to stop. Say,

704
00:31:08,309 --> 00:31:10,789
Speaker 1: still had a power in balance between them. But when

705
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:13,389
Speaker 1: she finally gives up the power and balance, he looks

706
00:31:13,429 --> 00:31:14,909
Speaker 1: really shocked and doesn't know what to do.

707
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:15,829
Speaker 2: He has no idea.

708
00:31:15,949 --> 00:31:18,829
Speaker 1: Yeah if he list time as well, oh okay stand

709
00:31:18,869 --> 00:31:21,789
Speaker 1: by the wall and starts laughing yes, yeah, And then

710
00:31:21,829 --> 00:31:23,909
Speaker 1: he looks in that moment where she says, okay, what

711
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:26,229
Speaker 1: do I do? And this look of horror goes over

712
00:31:26,269 --> 00:31:28,269
Speaker 1: his face. He looks like someone who light in a

713
00:31:28,309 --> 00:31:31,029
Speaker 1: job interview, got the job, went to work and then

714
00:31:31,149 --> 00:31:33,589
Speaker 1: was like, what do I do. What do I do?

715
00:31:33,749 --> 00:31:36,389
Speaker 2: I've seen so many tiktoks of people saying, you can't

716
00:31:36,429 --> 00:31:39,109
Speaker 2: tell me that this is just terroristick inston breaking character.

717
00:31:39,149 --> 00:31:40,229
Speaker 2: I don't no idea what to do.

718
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:43,069
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because I obviously had an intimacy coordinator

719
00:31:43,109 --> 00:31:45,909
Speaker 1: on set they spoke with, but they didn't map out

720
00:31:45,949 --> 00:31:48,309
Speaker 1: all the sex scenes as other movies do. Well. They'll

721
00:31:48,349 --> 00:31:51,309
Speaker 1: almost choreographed them where they'll say like, Okay, he's gonna

722
00:31:51,309 --> 00:31:53,109
Speaker 1: put his hand here, he's gonna pull it down to

723
00:31:53,149 --> 00:31:54,909
Speaker 1: this point in your arm, then he's gonna move it

724
00:31:54,909 --> 00:31:56,949
Speaker 1: across your stomach, then you're gonna put your leg through

725
00:31:56,989 --> 00:31:59,149
Speaker 1: up here. Like a lot of sex scenes are like

726
00:31:59,189 --> 00:32:01,549
Speaker 1: that now, where it's completely mapped out and no part

727
00:32:01,589 --> 00:32:04,069
Speaker 1: of anyone else. Yeah, no part of anyone's skin gets

728
00:32:04,109 --> 00:32:07,309
Speaker 1: touched without prior written permission. But for Baby Girl, what

729
00:32:07,349 --> 00:32:09,109
Speaker 1: they did is they just sat down with the intimacy

730
00:32:09,149 --> 00:32:12,469
Speaker 1: coordinator will like, Okay, this is my absolute limit and

731
00:32:12,509 --> 00:32:14,029
Speaker 1: this is what I'll do here, and then they just

732
00:32:14,109 --> 00:32:17,549
Speaker 1: kind of went to town and just improvised it over and

733
00:32:17,589 --> 00:32:19,389
Speaker 1: over again on the day. So all those times where

734
00:32:19,429 --> 00:32:21,629
Speaker 1: she's lying on the ground, she starts writing and he's

735
00:32:21,629 --> 00:32:23,749
Speaker 1: putting his hands on her and stuff is a little

736
00:32:23,749 --> 00:32:26,909
Speaker 1: bit improvised. Did you think it was sexy? No, yeah,

737
00:32:26,989 --> 00:32:28,349
Speaker 1: me neither, but not in a bad way.

738
00:32:28,469 --> 00:32:30,589
Speaker 2: Not in a bad way, but in a way where

739
00:32:31,069 --> 00:32:32,509
Speaker 2: I don't know how to explain it.

740
00:32:32,709 --> 00:32:34,469
Speaker 1: I don't actually think it was meant to be sexy

741
00:32:34,509 --> 00:32:36,109
Speaker 1: to us, you know how you say some movies and

742
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:36,589
Speaker 1: you're watching it.

743
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:38,869
Speaker 2: It felt quite clinical. But they had a job to

744
00:32:38,909 --> 00:32:40,829
Speaker 2: do and they were executing. Yeah.

745
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:43,589
Speaker 1: Again, the people in the movie never build this as

746
00:32:43,589 --> 00:32:45,549
Speaker 1: the sexiest movie of the year or anything like that.

747
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:48,069
Speaker 1: The audience did that from the little snippets we were getting,

748
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:50,069
Speaker 1: which is fair because they were showing the sexy stuff

749
00:32:50,109 --> 00:32:51,549
Speaker 1: to get people to come and watch it. But it

750
00:32:51,589 --> 00:32:53,509
Speaker 1: was so funny. There's so many movies where you watch

751
00:32:53,549 --> 00:32:57,589
Speaker 1: these really like fantasy sex scenes and you're just like, fuck,

752
00:32:57,589 --> 00:32:59,229
Speaker 1: I'd love to be involved in that, And then you're

753
00:32:59,269 --> 00:33:01,949
Speaker 1: watching Baby Girl and you're like, oh no, I would

754
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:05,629
Speaker 1: keep die before I go into that room with either

755
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:07,789
Speaker 1: one of them. But it's so interesting to watch, and

756
00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:09,869
Speaker 1: I think that was very much that's what they wanted.

757
00:33:09,869 --> 00:33:12,949
Speaker 1: They wanted it to be this exploration of who she was,

758
00:33:12,989 --> 00:33:15,149
Speaker 1: and they're doing it through sex. But it's not meant

759
00:33:15,189 --> 00:33:16,949
Speaker 1: to be sexy. You're not meant to wish you were there.

760
00:33:17,069 --> 00:33:18,749
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're meant to, like see, I think you're just

761
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:22,589
Speaker 2: meant to experience like her trying to figure out like

762
00:33:22,629 --> 00:33:25,789
Speaker 2: her kink basically, which I feel like should only be private.

763
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:29,549
Speaker 2: You should only like figure out your own kink in

764
00:33:29,589 --> 00:33:32,389
Speaker 2: your own time, bring us along with your jam.

765
00:33:32,509 --> 00:33:34,709
Speaker 1: Off the clock. I guess it does get maybe a

766
00:33:34,749 --> 00:33:36,909
Speaker 1: little bit more fantasy roxy.

767
00:33:37,389 --> 00:33:39,389
Speaker 2: I feel like, are the bits that aren't sex, right?

768
00:33:40,189 --> 00:33:42,429
Speaker 2: Isn't that a girl and stuff like that?

769
00:33:42,429 --> 00:33:44,669
Speaker 1: That's such a female thing where we're just like, oh, we.

770
00:33:44,629 --> 00:33:47,829
Speaker 5: Don't touch me and just like talk or look into

771
00:33:47,869 --> 00:33:49,949
Speaker 5: my eyes and like treat me like a human being

772
00:33:50,069 --> 00:33:52,509
Speaker 5: over there. Yeah, that's such a female thing to be like, Oh,

773
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:54,629
Speaker 5: I'm not sort of getting super turned on obviously, Like

774
00:33:54,669 --> 00:33:57,629
Speaker 5: everyone's different, like happy for her, happy for her, she's.

775
00:33:57,429 --> 00:33:58,709
Speaker 2: Achieving the dream exactly.

776
00:33:58,749 --> 00:34:01,189
Speaker 1: But those first moments in the hotel room or later

777
00:34:01,229 --> 00:34:03,069
Speaker 1: on where they have these like little forbidden moments and

778
00:34:03,069 --> 00:34:06,469
Speaker 1: stuff like that dance, I didn't like all that's supposed

779
00:34:06,469 --> 00:34:09,189
Speaker 1: to be his like sexiest, most humanizing moments.

780
00:34:09,229 --> 00:34:10,589
Speaker 2: What would you do in that situation.

781
00:34:10,749 --> 00:34:14,749
Speaker 1: I mean, but I'm the wrong person starts dancing for you.

782
00:34:14,949 --> 00:34:17,909
Speaker 1: I mean, it depends how many times different.

783
00:34:17,949 --> 00:34:19,509
Speaker 2: It's just like in his own little world.

784
00:34:19,389 --> 00:34:22,029
Speaker 1: Everything's different when you're in a sex haze, though, Like

785
00:34:22,349 --> 00:34:24,469
Speaker 1: we're sitting there watching the movie with our colleagues, like

786
00:34:24,509 --> 00:34:27,949
Speaker 1: and someone's eating popcorns, so we're not gonna have that

787
00:34:27,949 --> 00:34:30,509
Speaker 1: that moment. But I think the most the most romantic

788
00:34:30,549 --> 00:34:32,789
Speaker 1: scenes are like when they're like in the hotel rooms

789
00:34:32,789 --> 00:34:35,829
Speaker 1: together later on and she's feeling so like fulfilled because

790
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:38,069
Speaker 1: of all the orgasms. She's finally having three sex that

791
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:40,509
Speaker 1: she's never had before, and they're lying in bed together

792
00:34:40,549 --> 00:34:42,709
Speaker 1: and he's looking into her eyes, or they're like he's

793
00:34:42,709 --> 00:34:44,629
Speaker 1: holding her and like just like putting his hands over

794
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:45,389
Speaker 1: her body.

795
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:47,189
Speaker 2: Like when they're swimming in the pool, yeah, or then

796
00:34:47,189 --> 00:34:50,669
Speaker 2: they come out of the pool, n't feel scary.

797
00:34:50,909 --> 00:34:52,749
Speaker 1: It's all those moments that for women we need like

798
00:34:52,749 --> 00:34:55,389
Speaker 1: a real backstory. And obviously no men and women watch

799
00:34:55,429 --> 00:34:57,269
Speaker 1: porn in equal measure, but I think a lot of

800
00:34:57,309 --> 00:34:59,589
Speaker 1: the time with men, like when they watch porn, they

801
00:34:59,629 --> 00:35:01,949
Speaker 1: just need to kind of see the act itself, whereas

802
00:35:02,309 --> 00:35:04,469
Speaker 1: women are like, oh, but what's the backstory or what's

803
00:35:04,509 --> 00:35:07,069
Speaker 1: this person doing or this particular type of stuff for

804
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:08,549
Speaker 1: it to work for you, And I think that's you

805
00:35:08,589 --> 00:35:10,989
Speaker 1: see those two different elements in the Yeah.

806
00:35:11,149 --> 00:35:13,349
Speaker 2: One thing that I thought was really interesting was when

807
00:35:13,429 --> 00:35:17,229
Speaker 2: Antonio Benderes catches them and then him, what's the same

808
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:17,989
Speaker 2: Jacob Jake.

809
00:35:18,269 --> 00:35:22,669
Speaker 1: I'm Antonio. It's Antonia Nicole and Harrison.

810
00:35:23,189 --> 00:35:24,469
Speaker 2: It's Jacob Nicole and.

811
00:35:25,909 --> 00:35:27,309
Speaker 1: Jab Nicole and Samuel.

812
00:35:27,749 --> 00:35:30,949
Speaker 2: I know they will become their characters anyway. When Jacob

813
00:35:31,069 --> 00:35:34,229
Speaker 2: the husband comes and catches them in the holiday house

814
00:35:34,309 --> 00:35:37,869
Speaker 2: and then him and Samuel kind of start punching each other.

815
00:35:37,949 --> 00:35:38,749
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is fair.

816
00:35:39,229 --> 00:35:42,269
Speaker 2: And then the conversation that happened after I think was

817
00:35:42,309 --> 00:35:45,389
Speaker 2: so interesting where I'm just gonna say, Antonio menders I

818
00:35:45,389 --> 00:35:48,789
Speaker 2: can't no, it's okay. Antonio Mandera says.

819
00:35:49,749 --> 00:35:51,269
Speaker 1: She hadn't even given him a character name.

820
00:35:51,789 --> 00:35:54,709
Speaker 2: When Antonio Mendera says to Samuel, do you not see

821
00:35:54,749 --> 00:35:57,709
Speaker 2: she's taking advantage of you? Because I feel like we

822
00:35:57,789 --> 00:36:01,189
Speaker 2: never see that in the heated moment, and I think

823
00:36:01,189 --> 00:36:03,709
Speaker 2: it comes with the role reversal, Like you could tell

824
00:36:03,749 --> 00:36:08,069
Speaker 2: that Antonio Benderaz, instead of being like extremely angry at her,

825
00:36:08,189 --> 00:36:12,229
Speaker 2: straight up he actually really thinks there's something wrong with her,

826
00:36:12,829 --> 00:36:16,229
Speaker 2: and he's telling this young guy like she's taking advantage

827
00:36:16,229 --> 00:36:19,829
Speaker 2: of you. Get out, like go, and that only ever

828
00:36:19,909 --> 00:36:23,749
Speaker 2: happens like well after, like either well after where they've

829
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:25,909
Speaker 2: come to terms with it, or like if it's like

830
00:36:25,949 --> 00:36:28,229
Speaker 2: a woman and then she just becomes friends with the

831
00:36:28,469 --> 00:36:31,069
Speaker 2: person's husband's having an affair with and then they try

832
00:36:31,149 --> 00:36:32,829
Speaker 2: to get back at him, Like this is the first

833
00:36:32,869 --> 00:36:35,829
Speaker 2: time I've seen where like both these men seeing Nicole

834
00:36:35,909 --> 00:36:38,669
Speaker 2: as something to like look after or fix. Yeah, that

835
00:36:38,709 --> 00:36:40,069
Speaker 2: they don't put the blame on her.

836
00:36:40,709 --> 00:36:44,069
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's so true. Just too bro is coming together?

837
00:36:44,709 --> 00:36:47,269
Speaker 1: What do you think then when Antonio van Derres no

838
00:36:47,389 --> 00:36:50,469
Speaker 1: character name starts having essentially a panic attack, like you

839
00:36:50,469 --> 00:36:52,069
Speaker 1: think he's having a heart attack. Then he starts having

840
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:54,469
Speaker 1: a panic attack, and then Samuel.

841
00:36:54,589 --> 00:36:55,909
Speaker 2: Nineteen year old has to come.

842
00:36:56,229 --> 00:36:59,189
Speaker 1: Samuel uses his powers of persuasion to calm him down.

843
00:36:59,589 --> 00:37:04,429
Speaker 1: Gen Z, that's so funny to say. The camera flashes

844
00:37:04,469 --> 00:37:06,429
Speaker 1: to romy She looks concerned when she thinks he's having

845
00:37:06,469 --> 00:37:08,349
Speaker 1: a heart attack, but when she realized what's happening, that

846
00:37:08,429 --> 00:37:09,509
Speaker 1: woman gets thick so bad.

847
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:11,989
Speaker 2: Samuel's you know what everyone in my generation has one

848
00:37:11,989 --> 00:37:14,029
Speaker 2: of these yeah good, Yeah, she gets the icks so

849
00:37:14,109 --> 00:37:16,429
Speaker 2: bad that she's like, oh god, yeah, now my like

850
00:37:16,469 --> 00:37:18,789
Speaker 2: situationship has to like deal with my husband.

851
00:37:19,029 --> 00:37:21,629
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's like, we know.

852
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:25,949
Speaker 2: Out of here. I thought that was a really interesting

853
00:37:25,949 --> 00:37:28,549
Speaker 2: that they left that in there, Yeah, that they did

854
00:37:28,549 --> 00:37:31,429
Speaker 2: it in the first place, because it's true. You see,

855
00:37:31,469 --> 00:37:33,389
Speaker 2: like Antonio Bydnas is meant to be like this big

856
00:37:33,549 --> 00:37:36,749
Speaker 2: hanto like successful man with like the beautiful family, and

857
00:37:36,789 --> 00:37:39,189
Speaker 2: he like fully breaks down in that scene like you

858
00:37:39,269 --> 00:37:41,549
Speaker 2: can't understand, like why how is life has gotten so

859
00:37:41,549 --> 00:37:42,029
Speaker 2: out of hand?

860
00:37:42,189 --> 00:37:42,429
Speaker 3: Yeah?

861
00:37:42,549 --> 00:37:44,469
Speaker 1: And I think that's interesting because there's so many movies

862
00:37:44,469 --> 00:37:46,989
Speaker 1: where you see the husband finds out the wife is

863
00:37:47,029 --> 00:37:49,909
Speaker 1: having an affair and he gets violent and angry and sullid.

864
00:37:50,149 --> 00:37:51,989
Speaker 1: It's not very often that you see the man have

865
00:37:52,109 --> 00:37:55,549
Speaker 1: that very emotional physical response, which is very realistic.

866
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:57,829
Speaker 2: But I think it also comes with the power dynamic, right,

867
00:37:57,909 --> 00:38:00,109
Speaker 2: because everything I've seen where like the wife has an

868
00:38:00,109 --> 00:38:02,949
Speaker 2: affairs because the husband's constantly working and she's not getting

869
00:38:02,949 --> 00:38:06,389
Speaker 2: intention whereas like now it's like how could you possibly

870
00:38:06,509 --> 00:38:07,549
Speaker 2: have had time to do?

871
00:38:08,189 --> 00:38:10,949
Speaker 1: It's like ow, yeah, he actually has a lot. He

872
00:38:10,989 --> 00:38:12,229
Speaker 1: was like how did you fit this in?

873
00:38:12,709 --> 00:38:15,189
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that reaction from it just kind

874
00:38:15,229 --> 00:38:18,429
Speaker 2: of made more sense than the full anger and like

875
00:38:18,469 --> 00:38:20,469
Speaker 2: who is he? And get out of my house? He's

876
00:38:20,549 --> 00:38:23,709
Speaker 2: just like fully breaking down as like the I guess

877
00:38:23,749 --> 00:38:25,309
Speaker 2: the family man who's trying to keep it all.

878
00:38:25,509 --> 00:38:29,149
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh, what a what a what a scene?

879
00:38:29,709 --> 00:38:30,949
Speaker 2: Antonio banderas Stanti.

880
00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:33,829
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope that man's okay. And to finish off,

881
00:38:33,869 --> 00:38:35,869
Speaker 1: what did you think of the ending? Because I'm really

882
00:38:35,909 --> 00:38:38,709
Speaker 1: in two minds about it. On one side, I felt

883
00:38:38,789 --> 00:38:39,309
Speaker 1: it was just.

884
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:40,869
Speaker 2: I felt it was a bit mess I thought it

885
00:38:40,869 --> 00:38:41,709
Speaker 2: was a bit of a cop.

886
00:38:41,549 --> 00:38:43,709
Speaker 1: Out in some ways and a bit like very like

887
00:38:43,749 --> 00:38:47,229
Speaker 1: a fantasy element of like this woman's feeling unfulfilled in

888
00:38:47,229 --> 00:38:49,229
Speaker 1: her perfect life and she goes and have a wild

889
00:38:49,269 --> 00:38:51,429
Speaker 1: fling and then she goes back to her happy marriage,

890
00:38:51,669 --> 00:38:53,949
Speaker 1: taking with her the lessons of the fling, and everything

891
00:38:54,029 --> 00:38:56,989
Speaker 1: is perfect. That's how at first I was like, that

892
00:38:56,989 --> 00:38:58,749
Speaker 1: feels like a bit of a copper out to have

893
00:38:58,869 --> 00:39:01,469
Speaker 1: everything tied up so neatly in this perfect little bow,

894
00:39:01,789 --> 00:39:03,789
Speaker 1: like this is a little Hallmark movie when you were

895
00:39:03,789 --> 00:39:06,549
Speaker 1: trying to be subversive. But then I actually thought the

896
00:39:06,549 --> 00:39:07,909
Speaker 1: more I thought about it, because I have thought about

897
00:39:07,949 --> 00:39:09,669
Speaker 1: this movie quite a lot since we saw it. Then

898
00:39:09,709 --> 00:39:12,429
Speaker 1: I started to think, is it more subversive to have

899
00:39:12,549 --> 00:39:15,589
Speaker 1: a woman be able to go off and not be

900
00:39:15,669 --> 00:39:17,989
Speaker 1: this perfect step for wife and go off and have

901
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:21,389
Speaker 1: this exploration and finally be upfront about what she needs

902
00:39:21,389 --> 00:39:24,509
Speaker 1: to be sexually fulfilled and not be shamed for it,

903
00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:27,309
Speaker 1: not be punished for it, because in so many movies

904
00:39:27,789 --> 00:39:30,709
Speaker 1: when women go off and get fulfilled sexually, they get

905
00:39:30,709 --> 00:39:33,069
Speaker 1: punished at the end of the movie because their husband

906
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:34,789
Speaker 1: leaves them, or their children turn away from them, or

907
00:39:34,829 --> 00:39:37,229
Speaker 1: their lover doesn't want them anymore, or they have to

908
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:39,789
Speaker 1: grovel and apologize and promise they'll never do it again.

909
00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:42,549
Speaker 1: And she didn't do that, So is it more subversive

910
00:39:42,909 --> 00:39:44,989
Speaker 1: that she got that? And then she got her life

911
00:39:45,269 --> 00:39:46,949
Speaker 1: and then she took one at the end of the

912
00:39:47,029 --> 00:39:48,989
Speaker 1: day she did win. I like that. We don't usually

913
00:39:48,989 --> 00:39:51,669
Speaker 1: see women win when sex is involved in movies.

914
00:39:52,029 --> 00:39:54,629
Speaker 2: I thought it was more like, we see her so

915
00:39:54,629 --> 00:39:57,509
Speaker 2: we see that, like she taught Antonio Benderoz how she

916
00:39:57,629 --> 00:39:59,469
Speaker 2: likes to be pleasured. Yeah, and then he was taking

917
00:39:59,549 --> 00:40:01,669
Speaker 2: that on and be back on at the end where

918
00:40:01,669 --> 00:40:04,029
Speaker 2: they were having sex. But I saw it in a

919
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:05,709
Speaker 2: way because do you remember, like in those like in

920
00:40:05,749 --> 00:40:09,069
Speaker 2: between scenes, she was trying like some really hardcore therapy

921
00:40:09,269 --> 00:40:12,869
Speaker 2: hypnotized like sessions of trying to like go through what

922
00:40:13,029 --> 00:40:15,589
Speaker 2: happened to her as a child, to try to figure

923
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:18,269
Speaker 2: out why she's so obsessed with a specific king. Yeah,

924
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:20,269
Speaker 2: and I thought that was a way of telling to us, like,

925
00:40:20,349 --> 00:40:23,509
Speaker 2: she never will be sexually satisfied. Yeah, She'll always want

926
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:27,189
Speaker 2: something more and something different and something more unusual, because

927
00:40:27,229 --> 00:40:30,189
Speaker 2: like in that end sex scene with Antonio Benderaz, you

928
00:40:30,189 --> 00:40:33,109
Speaker 2: can still see the uncertainty in both of their faces.

929
00:40:33,149 --> 00:40:36,189
Speaker 2: She does like orgasm, we hear that general noise, but

930
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:39,069
Speaker 2: I feel like we're left with an uncertainty that will

931
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:41,669
Speaker 2: be like every time they have sex. Yeah, and I

932
00:40:41,709 --> 00:40:44,269
Speaker 2: feel like it's one of those things where she could

933
00:40:44,269 --> 00:40:46,749
Speaker 2: possibly take on a new lover and they'll just keep going.

934
00:40:47,029 --> 00:40:49,469
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's such an interesting take. And also, like

935
00:40:49,509 --> 00:40:52,669
Speaker 1: in Fantas to Romi is a character before she really

936
00:40:52,829 --> 00:40:55,989
Speaker 1: gets very involved in this affair, she does try to

937
00:40:56,029 --> 00:40:59,349
Speaker 1: tell Antonio Banderas how she wants to have sex, and

938
00:40:59,389 --> 00:41:00,869
Speaker 1: she tries to show him it's like that when she

939
00:41:00,909 --> 00:41:03,149
Speaker 1: like lies down puts a pillow, over facings. I want

940
00:41:03,149 --> 00:41:04,949
Speaker 1: it like this, someone like this, and then he tries

941
00:41:04,989 --> 00:41:07,429
Speaker 1: when he starts giggling, which is it's kind of like

942
00:41:07,469 --> 00:41:09,349
Speaker 1: the most shameful thing you can do is laugh at

943
00:41:09,429 --> 00:41:15,709
Speaker 1: someone when they tell you what they're for.

944
00:41:15,749 --> 00:41:16,829
Speaker 2: How long you've been married?

945
00:41:17,189 --> 00:41:19,349
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is kind of the most shameful thing. So

946
00:41:19,469 --> 00:41:22,269
Speaker 1: later on that you see how they've got their point

947
00:41:22,269 --> 00:41:25,469
Speaker 1: in this relationship. And this woman has been humiliated many

948
00:41:25,469 --> 00:41:27,869
Speaker 1: times throughout the movie, but she comes out on top.

949
00:41:27,949 --> 00:41:31,189
Speaker 1: So maybe that is subversive. Man, it is a drama.

950
00:41:31,229 --> 00:41:32,869
Speaker 1: At the end of the day. Look at that. They

951
00:41:32,949 --> 00:41:42,149
Speaker 1: proved us wrong. The weekend watch Okay, take a deep breath,

952
00:41:42,189 --> 00:41:44,949
Speaker 1: because it's now time after all that, for we can watch. Yes,

953
00:41:44,989 --> 00:41:46,589
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna leave you hanging if you're looking for

954
00:41:46,589 --> 00:41:49,469
Speaker 1: something else new to watch this week after taking all

955
00:41:49,469 --> 00:41:53,429
Speaker 1: that Baby Girl information, so obviously, the really big release

956
00:41:53,469 --> 00:41:56,669
Speaker 1: of this week is Apple Cider Vininger, the new Netflix

957
00:41:56,709 --> 00:41:58,629
Speaker 1: series based on the story It's not.

958
00:41:58,749 --> 00:42:01,069
Speaker 2: Way to finish it. I'm itching to get out.

959
00:42:01,149 --> 00:42:02,949
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because you've got a few more episodes to go,

960
00:42:03,549 --> 00:42:05,229
Speaker 1: which is the story of Bell Gibson. Bit of a

961
00:42:05,229 --> 00:42:07,829
Speaker 1: fictionalized story. We did already talk about that this week.

962
00:42:07,909 --> 00:42:10,349
Speaker 1: But if you miss that episode, just know that that

963
00:42:10,469 --> 00:42:12,869
Speaker 1: is the TV show that you should be binging this

964
00:42:12,909 --> 00:42:15,469
Speaker 1: weekend Apple Ciinnder Vinegar on Netflix, because we're going to

965
00:42:15,469 --> 00:42:17,589
Speaker 1: talk about it again next week. But if you've already

966
00:42:17,629 --> 00:42:19,309
Speaker 1: watched that, you're looking for something else, I have a

967
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:21,669
Speaker 1: movie to bring to your attention. This is one of

968
00:42:21,709 --> 00:42:23,549
Speaker 1: those times in weekend Watch where I'm going to call

969
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:26,269
Speaker 1: it less of a recommendation and more of an FYI.

970
00:42:26,349 --> 00:42:28,269
Speaker 1: This is out if you want to watch it. And

971
00:42:28,349 --> 00:42:30,709
Speaker 1: it's a movie called Kind of Pregnant, which just came

972
00:42:30,749 --> 00:42:32,109
Speaker 1: out on Netflix this week.

973
00:42:32,629 --> 00:42:34,629
Speaker 3: Do you ever tell like such a big lie you

974
00:42:34,669 --> 00:42:35,869
Speaker 3: don't know how to get out of it?

975
00:42:36,389 --> 00:42:37,429
Speaker 1: How's your pregnancy going?

976
00:42:37,509 --> 00:42:37,709
Speaker 4: Oh?

977
00:42:37,789 --> 00:42:38,309
Speaker 1: My god?

978
00:42:38,509 --> 00:42:39,229
Speaker 4: How cute?

979
00:42:39,509 --> 00:42:40,029
Speaker 3: Now?

980
00:42:40,229 --> 00:42:44,069
Speaker 1: Hey, cute face almost tore my ass whole open. I've

981
00:42:44,109 --> 00:42:45,549
Speaker 1: always known I want a family.

982
00:42:45,669 --> 00:42:47,949
Speaker 2: Have you ever dated a pregnant one.

983
00:42:46,989 --> 00:42:49,269
Speaker 1: That you're the least pregnant person I've ever?

984
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:51,069
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah, any waits on they're crowning.

985
00:42:51,149 --> 00:42:52,949
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want them to be like two weeks away

986
00:42:52,949 --> 00:42:55,909
Speaker 1: from dropping. So the reason I sat down to watch

987
00:42:55,949 --> 00:42:58,909
Speaker 1: this movie is that it stars and was co written

988
00:42:58,909 --> 00:43:01,469
Speaker 1: by Amy Schumer. Now I know Amy Schumer gets a

989
00:43:01,509 --> 00:43:04,069
Speaker 1: lot of flak because she's had a few less than

990
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:06,709
Speaker 1: stellar releases in the last couple of years. But I

991
00:43:06,749 --> 00:43:08,749
Speaker 1: have found a lot of her comedy very funny. Over

992
00:43:08,789 --> 00:43:11,069
Speaker 1: the years, I haven't seen her in a I think

993
00:43:11,069 --> 00:43:12,789
Speaker 1: she does tour and she does bits and pieces, but

994
00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:15,589
Speaker 1: she hasn't had like a really big movie release, I

995
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:18,229
Speaker 1: think since Snatched, the Goldihorn movie that came out many

996
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:20,989
Speaker 1: years ago now. But I always think Inside Amy Schumer,

997
00:43:21,029 --> 00:43:24,349
Speaker 1: which was her Comedy Central Sketch show, was really groundbreaking.

998
00:43:24,389 --> 00:43:26,269
Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of her stand up. She's amazing.

999
00:43:26,509 --> 00:43:28,109
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just always find her funny, so

1000
00:43:28,109 --> 00:43:31,149
Speaker 1: I'm always happy to support an Amy Schumer project. This

1001
00:43:31,189 --> 00:43:34,109
Speaker 1: one was fine, is all I'm gonna say so. In

1002
00:43:34,149 --> 00:43:37,229
Speaker 1: the movie, Amy Schumer plays a school teacher named Laney

1003
00:43:37,709 --> 00:43:40,789
Speaker 1: and her best friend is played by Jillian Bell, who's

1004
00:43:40,789 --> 00:43:43,749
Speaker 1: another comedic genius who've had on the spiel before, plays

1005
00:43:43,749 --> 00:43:46,469
Speaker 1: her best friend Kate. She's a school teacher she's always

1006
00:43:46,509 --> 00:43:48,949
Speaker 1: dreamed of being a mother, but her long term relationship

1007
00:43:48,949 --> 00:43:51,829
Speaker 1: has just ended when Kate, her best friend, announces that

1008
00:43:51,869 --> 00:43:56,309
Speaker 1: she's pregnant and Amy Schumer's character, Laney is obviously happy

1009
00:43:56,349 --> 00:43:58,909
Speaker 1: for her, but very jealous. And then, in a setup

1010
00:43:58,949 --> 00:44:01,309
Speaker 1: that can only happen in a Netflix movie like this,

1011
00:44:01,509 --> 00:44:03,909
Speaker 1: she decides that she will pretend to be pregnant so

1012
00:44:03,909 --> 00:44:05,869
Speaker 1: she can kind of be like accepted by that world

1013
00:44:05,949 --> 00:44:07,989
Speaker 1: and see what it's like. And that leads to like

1014
00:44:08,029 --> 00:44:10,309
Speaker 1: a lot of funny moments, a lot of few to

1015
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:12,549
Speaker 1: call comedy from Amy Schumer, a lot of like pregnancy

1016
00:44:12,549 --> 00:44:14,549
Speaker 1: body joke, because that's always kind of her area that

1017
00:44:14,589 --> 00:44:16,429
Speaker 1: she's really good, and it's just making those kind of

1018
00:44:16,469 --> 00:44:18,749
Speaker 1: big jokes at her expense. It also point like a

1019
00:44:18,749 --> 00:44:22,589
Speaker 1: bigger conversation. Yeah, Obviously things start to go awry as

1020
00:44:22,589 --> 00:44:24,829
Speaker 1: the movie goes on because she's not pregnant, so eventually

1021
00:44:24,909 --> 00:44:26,949
Speaker 1: her secret with all these people that she's bonded with

1022
00:44:27,029 --> 00:44:29,269
Speaker 1: will be found out. But she also starts dating and

1023
00:44:29,269 --> 00:44:31,869
Speaker 1: falling in love with this Skuy, so she does get pregnant,

1024
00:44:31,909 --> 00:44:33,589
Speaker 1: but then she's gonna explain to him that she's not

1025
00:44:33,789 --> 00:44:35,909
Speaker 1: actually pregnant, which is a bit of you know, every

1026
00:44:35,909 --> 00:44:37,429
Speaker 1: love story has to have a bit of a foil,

1027
00:44:37,469 --> 00:44:39,669
Speaker 1: and for this one, it's I'm lying about being pregnant.

1028
00:44:39,749 --> 00:44:40,549
Speaker 1: This is a fake bump.

1029
00:44:40,629 --> 00:44:41,309
Speaker 2: That's so fae.

1030
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:44,389
Speaker 1: So what I'll say is like, it's fine. Gillian Bell's great,

1031
00:44:44,429 --> 00:44:47,069
Speaker 1: Amy Schumer's great. She needed something to really elevate it

1032
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:50,149
Speaker 1: to be like a really groundbreaking comedy. But I'll just

1033
00:44:50,149 --> 00:44:52,069
Speaker 1: say like it's a nice movie to put on the weekend.

1034
00:44:52,549 --> 00:44:55,189
Speaker 1: It's just really like a fun, really easy watch as

1035
00:44:55,229 --> 00:44:56,789
Speaker 1: long as you go into it knowing it's not going

1036
00:44:56,869 --> 00:44:59,709
Speaker 1: to be this really sharp, groundbreaking comedy that maybe you

1037
00:44:59,749 --> 00:45:02,789
Speaker 1: had expected from an Amy Schumer type before. But yeah,

1038
00:45:02,869 --> 00:45:06,549
Speaker 1: kind of pregnant on Netflix. It's kind of good, not great.

1039
00:45:06,429 --> 00:45:09,029
Speaker 2: It's just kind of good, kind of pregnant, kind of good. Yes,

1040
00:45:09,309 --> 00:45:10,069
Speaker 2: I've got to recommend.

1041
00:45:10,589 --> 00:45:12,229
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's great because this is the time of

1042
00:45:12,229 --> 00:45:12,469
Speaker 1: the show.

1043
00:45:12,549 --> 00:45:14,989
Speaker 2: But I feel really proud of this one because I

1044
00:45:15,029 --> 00:45:16,909
Speaker 2: got sneaky little screeners.

1045
00:45:17,669 --> 00:45:20,229
Speaker 1: Well now she's getting screeners. She feels like a professional.

1046
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:25,349
Speaker 2: So I watched this whole first season of this show,

1047
00:45:25,469 --> 00:45:28,109
Speaker 2: hoping that's second season, cause I'm obsessed. It's out right

1048
00:45:28,149 --> 00:45:30,749
Speaker 2: now on Prime. It's called clean Slate.

1049
00:45:32,709 --> 00:45:35,269
Speaker 4: Hello, I ain't this fas so lady living a good

1050
00:45:35,269 --> 00:45:41,429
Speaker 4: time right now? My son's coming in, Dad. I'm your daughter, Desiree.

1051
00:45:42,149 --> 00:45:48,709
Speaker 4: I've always been Desiree. We haven't spoken on the law.

1052
00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:51,029
Speaker 4: How long is what happened?

1053
00:45:51,869 --> 00:45:54,789
Speaker 1: This place looks exactly the same. I don't know what

1054
00:45:54,829 --> 00:45:55,229
Speaker 1: they say.

1055
00:45:55,429 --> 00:45:56,949
Speaker 4: They ain't broke, don't fix it.

1056
00:45:58,269 --> 00:45:58,829
Speaker 2: That's broke.

1057
00:45:59,069 --> 00:45:59,949
Speaker 1: I gotta fix it.

1058
00:46:01,509 --> 00:46:03,389
Speaker 3: How about crash with you?

1059
00:46:03,869 --> 00:46:04,909
Speaker 2: Ain't crashing when you're.

1060
00:46:04,829 --> 00:46:07,949
Speaker 1: Home until they're gonna have to be decorated.

1061
00:46:08,829 --> 00:46:12,229
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I have heard of and it stars Laverne Cox.

1062
00:46:12,389 --> 00:46:15,669
Speaker 2: And you might know Laverne Coxy just being an absolute angel,

1063
00:46:15,789 --> 00:46:17,909
Speaker 2: but I think most people saw her for the first

1064
00:46:17,949 --> 00:46:20,589
Speaker 2: time on Orange Is a New Black, which he absolutely

1065
00:46:20,829 --> 00:46:24,469
Speaker 2: nailed that role. It is a comedy. It is so funny.

1066
00:46:24,469 --> 00:46:28,229
Speaker 2: So it stars Lemonn Clox obviously as Desiree, and her

1067
00:46:28,269 --> 00:46:31,309
Speaker 2: father is played by George Wallace, who, if you don't know,

1068
00:46:31,669 --> 00:46:35,109
Speaker 2: he is like a massive stand up comedian in the US.

1069
00:46:35,149 --> 00:46:37,669
Speaker 2: He's been around for years and years and years, and

1070
00:46:37,709 --> 00:46:40,269
Speaker 2: like he's come back to do this show. He plays Harry,

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Speaker 2: who's like a car wash owner. And then his a

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Speaker 2: strange child comes to visit him after seventeen years and

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Speaker 2: he realizes that his estrange child has transitioned him too

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Speaker 2: a woman, and it's Lverne Cox, and she moves in

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Speaker 2: with him, and then they just kind of have this

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Speaker 2: like really fun relationship where they're starting to learn about

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Speaker 2: each other again. It is so freakin' funny. Someone I

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Speaker 2: feel like you would know who's in the show. So

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Speaker 2: he was so he's so hot, you would know he's

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Speaker 2: so hot. And I looked, I was like, where has

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Speaker 2: he been in before?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 1: For about if I don't know who is I want to.

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Speaker 2: Say his name? Wait, let me can find his name,

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Speaker 2: Jay Wilkinson.

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Speaker 1: I'd have to see a picture and Younger, Oh he's who.

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Speaker 2: Let me show you a photo.

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Speaker 1: Okay, show me a photo. Obviously I know everyone in Younger,

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Speaker 1: but that name doesn't ring a bell.

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Speaker 2: This guy, he doesn't look good here, but he's so

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Speaker 2: hot in the show.

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Speaker 1: Oh it is that Kelsey's boyfriend in Younger, and then

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Speaker 1: he came back as his twin after her boyfriend was killed.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I haven't watched it.

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Speaker 1: Watch Younger. Oh that's such a big issue to talk about. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, yeah, that guy great, he's so hot.

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Speaker 2: He plays her love interest. Okay, and they have like

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Speaker 2: a really cute like because he's like an ex convict

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Speaker 2: and he has like the sassy daughter and then she

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Speaker 2: tries to get on both their sides and they both

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Speaker 2: love her. It is so funny because like there's only

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Speaker 2: just come out, so there's not that much out there,

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Speaker 2: like information about it. But I was reading some of

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Speaker 2: the comments on YouTube, and so many people were saying

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Speaker 2: that this is a kind of comedy that they've always wanted,

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Speaker 2: Like it's so diversity and representation is so important in

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Speaker 2: cinema and TV, and I feel like we are getting

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Speaker 2: more of it, but it feels like that those like

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Speaker 2: big stories, especially about the trans community, are always either

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Speaker 2: like thrillers or like horrors or dramas or really like

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Speaker 2: slow sad coming of ages, and at that time it

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Speaker 2: was really important. But this is just such a fun,

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Speaker 2: light hearted comedy and it's so good to see representation

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Speaker 2: across all genres. Laverne Cox is freaking hilarious, so so funny.

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Speaker 2: I want everyone to watch this. It's just like one

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Speaker 2: of those really feel good TV shows that you could

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Speaker 2: literally turn on any episode and you'll be like, this

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Speaker 2: is just fun. It's just fun on Prime Video. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for listening to The Spill today, Baby girls,

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Speaker 2: We love you so much. The Spill is produced by

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Speaker 2: Kimberly Bradish, with sound production by Scott Stronik. We will

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Speaker 2: be back here in your podcast feed at three pm

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Speaker 2: on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye