WEBVTT - BONUS: Rob Mills On Feeling His Lowest While Under The Spotlight 0:00:10.007 --> 0:00:10.327 So much. 0:00:10.367 --> 0:00:14.847 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mayer acknowledges 0:00:14.887 --> 0:00:17.607 the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 0:00:17.647 --> 0:00:18.647 is recorded. 0:00:18.247 --> 0:00:26.967 On high out Louders. It's Claire Stevens here. It's been 0:00:27.007 --> 0:00:29.087 a little while since I've been in your ears, and 0:00:29.327 --> 0:00:31.887 I've been busy making a new season of my award 0:00:31.967 --> 0:00:35.567 winning podcast But Are You Happy. This season we had 0:00:35.567 --> 0:00:38.527 some incredibly vulnerable chats with some of the biggest names 0:00:38.527 --> 0:00:42.127 in Australia like Josh Thomas, khan Ong and Laura Byrne, 0:00:42.327 --> 0:00:44.647 just to name a few, and I thought i'd share 0:00:44.687 --> 0:00:47.927 with you part one of my conversation with actor, musician 0:00:48.047 --> 0:00:51.447 and mental health advocate Rob Mills. Enjoy and if you 0:00:51.487 --> 0:00:53.687 want more But Are You Happy? There's a link in 0:00:53.727 --> 0:00:58.167 the show notes. The presenting partner of But Are You 0:00:58.207 --> 0:01:02.647 Happy is Audible. Download the Audible app and start listening today. 0:01:03.487 --> 0:01:06.047 I think this is just across the board for everyone, 0:01:06.167 --> 0:01:08.687 and it's definitely for me. When you do the thing, 0:01:08.887 --> 0:01:12.607 when you get to think you're going to be instantly happy, 0:01:12.927 --> 0:01:16.007 you know, happiness is like sadness. This is a fleeting 0:01:16.047 --> 0:01:17.447 thing that comes and goes. 0:01:19.487 --> 0:01:22.527 Hello and welcome to But Are You Happy, the podcast 0:01:22.647 --> 0:01:25.607 that asks the questions you've always wanted to know from 0:01:25.607 --> 0:01:29.087 the people who appear to have it all. Rob Mills 0:01:29.287 --> 0:01:33.367 is actually my boyfriend? No he's not, But when I 0:01:33.407 --> 0:01:38.167 was thirteen, I truly believed he was my boyfriend. Millsy 0:01:38.247 --> 0:01:40.607 was on Australian idol and he was a bad boy, 0:01:41.007 --> 0:01:45.287 which meant he sometimes wore eyeliner. The country fell in 0:01:45.327 --> 0:01:47.487 love with him, and then he came out the other 0:01:47.567 --> 0:01:51.087 side realizing he had been told who he was by 0:01:51.207 --> 0:01:54.767 audiences without ever having the chance to work it out 0:01:54.767 --> 0:01:58.327 for himself. You had that fame, you had kind of 0:01:58.327 --> 0:02:02.407 that external success. Were you happier than you had been previously? 0:02:02.687 --> 0:02:03.527 No, it was way worse. 0:02:04.567 --> 0:02:07.447 Now he's one of the biggest musical theater stars in 0:02:07.447 --> 0:02:11.687 the country. To Rob about the experience of working out 0:02:11.767 --> 0:02:15.167 what it is you really truly want to do, achieving it, 0:02:15.927 --> 0:02:18.447 and then having the media bring the focus back to 0:02:18.527 --> 0:02:20.367 a fleeting moment from the past. 0:02:20.767 --> 0:02:21.927 I remember with this article. 0:02:22.847 --> 0:02:25.087 I made an interview about me finishing the show and 0:02:25.127 --> 0:02:26.567 I was heading over to New York to go and 0:02:26.567 --> 0:02:29.927 do auditions, and the person that interviewed me hadn't even 0:02:29.967 --> 0:02:32.527 seen the show. Wow, I've done it for two years 0:02:33.127 --> 0:02:34.927 and the titles ZI about Paris Hilton. 0:02:35.687 --> 0:02:39.167 We also talk about his relationship with alcohol, the mental 0:02:39.167 --> 0:02:43.367 health crisis facing men, and the magic of falling in love. 0:02:44.167 --> 0:02:51.887 Here's my chat with Rob Mills. Rob Mills, You're an actor, 0:02:52.367 --> 0:02:55.887 a singer, a host and author. You've been a household 0:02:56.007 --> 0:02:59.287 name for over twenty years since your time on Australian 0:02:59.287 --> 0:03:02.647 Idol in two thousand and three. I was prime Australian 0:03:02.687 --> 0:03:07.007 Idol audience. I was absolutely obsessed. I had your poster 0:03:07.087 --> 0:03:07.567 on my wall. 0:03:07.607 --> 0:03:09.087 How were we? Oh? 0:03:09.247 --> 0:03:13.167 I would have been thirteen thirteen, so you're really knew 0:03:13.167 --> 0:03:16.967 your demo was twelve. I've told Gorgie, I'm like, you're 0:03:17.047 --> 0:03:18.007 dating my boyfriend. 0:03:19.247 --> 0:03:23.167 She did tell me. I'm going to bring it up. Okay, 0:03:23.207 --> 0:03:23.687 it's fine. 0:03:23.927 --> 0:03:25.527 Here here is between me and Georgia. 0:03:25.447 --> 0:03:28.847 The space between contractual space. 0:03:30.247 --> 0:03:32.847 Since then, you've had a solo music career as well 0:03:32.847 --> 0:03:36.047 as primetime TV hosting gigs and a role on Neighbors, 0:03:36.367 --> 0:03:38.127 and have gone on to become one of the biggest 0:03:38.207 --> 0:03:41.607 names in Australian musical theater. You released a book in 0:03:41.647 --> 0:03:44.927 twenty twenty two and you're currently playing Shakespeare in the 0:03:44.967 --> 0:03:48.407 Australian production of Anguliette, which I saw a few weeks ago. 0:03:49.127 --> 0:03:52.087 That's the big picture stuff, bringing you back to the 0:03:52.087 --> 0:03:54.527 present moment. How are you right now? 0:03:55.247 --> 0:03:58.767 Right now, I'm pretty good. I'm having a sweet treat 0:03:59.487 --> 0:04:01.047 with some lovely humans. 0:04:00.647 --> 0:04:01.567 Here in the office. 0:04:01.967 --> 0:04:03.407 I was up in about caught up with a friend 0:04:03.407 --> 0:04:05.727 this morning. Spoke to Georgie last night. 0:04:05.727 --> 0:04:06.327 When I got home. 0:04:06.407 --> 0:04:08.447 I was like, that was really good little face time 0:04:08.767 --> 0:04:10.327 with living in separate cities at the moment. 0:04:10.407 --> 0:04:11.567 She's in Melbourne, I'm in Sydney. 0:04:12.207 --> 0:04:14.407 If you asked me this a week ago, mate, I 0:04:14.487 --> 0:04:17.167 was low as I've had this cold and sickness. I 0:04:17.287 --> 0:04:20.607 was off work. I was having a really, really tough time. 0:04:20.647 --> 0:04:21.127 If I'm being. 0:04:21.047 --> 0:04:24.407 Brutally honest, I had suicidal thoughts for the very first 0:04:24.447 --> 0:04:26.007 time in like seventeen years. 0:04:26.047 --> 0:04:32.207 Wow, on stage during a show. What I say, suicidal thoughts. 0:04:32.247 --> 0:04:34.047 I will also clarify. 0:04:33.607 --> 0:04:36.847 This as a fleeting thought, which was clearly irrational. 0:04:36.887 --> 0:04:37.487 In the moment. 0:04:37.967 --> 0:04:39.407 There would have been a lack of food in my 0:04:39.447 --> 0:04:42.767 stomach because of the show schedule, but also just I 0:04:42.767 --> 0:04:43.567 was exhausted. 0:04:44.007 --> 0:04:45.007 I was so tired. 0:04:45.647 --> 0:04:48.767 I miss Georgie, I miss life like I work every 0:04:48.767 --> 0:04:51.247 single night. I give my heart and soul to this production, 0:04:51.367 --> 0:04:54.407 which I love so much. But at this moment, I like, 0:04:55.447 --> 0:04:57.407 I just can't do this. And I was like, why 0:04:57.487 --> 0:05:01.007 is my body failing me? Why am I sore every day? Anyway, 0:05:01.047 --> 0:05:03.407 it was just this really crazy moment last week, Mate, 0:05:03.407 --> 0:05:06.127 and I got on the scooter on the way home, 0:05:06.727 --> 0:05:07.407 calling Georgia. 0:05:07.407 --> 0:05:10.007 I'm like, oh, this is very hard. I just so 0:05:10.727 --> 0:05:12.647 I was a mess, an absolute mess. Anyway. 0:05:12.887 --> 0:05:15.087 The following day, I was like, I probably just needed 0:05:15.087 --> 0:05:17.607 a really big cry, and I'm a big cry, Like 0:05:18.007 --> 0:05:21.727 it's releasing the pressure valve in your life and you're like, ah, cool, cool, cool, 0:05:21.767 --> 0:05:24.447 feel better. But at the moment, this week fantastic. And 0:05:24.447 --> 0:05:26.287 as I said, it's just obviously a build up over. 0:05:27.727 --> 0:05:28.007 Time. 0:05:28.247 --> 0:05:31.607 But yeah, it was a really scary moment though, having 0:05:31.647 --> 0:05:34.007 not had any of those kind of thoughts for many, many, 0:05:34.007 --> 0:05:37.367 many years, and yeah, now feeling like, oh great, okay. 0:05:37.207 --> 0:05:41.207 I'm just exhausted. Sickness. Does that makes you feel very irrational? 0:05:41.367 --> 0:05:43.047 Like a sleep makes you feel those things? 0:05:43.087 --> 0:05:45.207 You know this as a young one, Yes, And I've 0:05:45.247 --> 0:05:48.727 always thought that. I notice every time I get sick, 0:05:48.807 --> 0:05:52.207 like fluey or anything like that. I think I have depression, 0:05:52.647 --> 0:05:55.287 and I think it is actually like inflammation of the 0:05:55.327 --> 0:05:57.087 brain and that kind of thing, and you have to 0:05:57.127 --> 0:06:00.327 remember that it passes. But in the moment it is 0:06:00.487 --> 0:06:05.007 so distressing. In a moment like that where you're on stage, 0:06:06.007 --> 0:06:10.327 do you feel almost trapped by the stakes of what 0:06:10.367 --> 0:06:11.927 you're doing, like you can't stop. 0:06:12.607 --> 0:06:15.367 Yeah, I mean there's the moment on stage like at 0:06:15.447 --> 0:06:18.127 least I know I have the show, Like I can 0:06:18.167 --> 0:06:19.887 just sit in this character for a bit longer. 0:06:20.527 --> 0:06:21.927 The character gets yelled at by. 0:06:21.767 --> 0:06:25.567 His wife, and you're probably like, don't yell. 0:06:28.047 --> 0:06:28.927 Which about it worse. 0:06:28.967 --> 0:06:31.167 But also like I was like, I just as I said, 0:06:31.287 --> 0:06:34.487 rational Robbers, like you're doing the pit the character, and 0:06:34.527 --> 0:06:36.567 then I see can't stop the feeling, and I'm like, oh, I. 0:06:36.447 --> 0:06:37.287 Got the feeling. 0:06:38.047 --> 0:06:41.767 And I'm like, I've got this feeling so funny. 0:06:42.607 --> 0:06:45.447 Yes's so funny, so strange, But there's also the security 0:06:45.447 --> 0:06:47.607 of the character. I suppose if you're not going out 0:06:47.607 --> 0:06:49.887 there but doing the same thing over and over again 0:06:50.087 --> 0:06:52.087 can sometimes feel a bit like groundhog Day. But like, 0:06:52.647 --> 0:06:54.367 luckily for me in this show, it is full of 0:06:54.447 --> 0:06:59.047 joy and wonder and love and hope and positivity and progressiveness. 0:06:59.207 --> 0:07:02.207 It takes all these boxes you said about feeling depression. 0:07:02.247 --> 0:07:03.927 Of this is where they get thrown around quite a lot. 0:07:04.527 --> 0:07:06.967 There are different levels of this. There is new ones 0:07:07.007 --> 0:07:09.887 to any kind of sadness or your up and your downs. 0:07:10.127 --> 0:07:12.207 And I think if sometimes people forget that it's okay 0:07:12.247 --> 0:07:12.687 to just be. 0:07:12.647 --> 0:07:14.287 Sad just for a moment. Yeah. I think it's that 0:07:14.327 --> 0:07:17.047 movie Inside Out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that really cemented that 0:07:17.127 --> 0:07:17.367 for me. 0:07:17.447 --> 0:07:19.687 I was like, Oh, sadness just plays a really important 0:07:19.727 --> 0:07:22.127 role in your life. You have to have sadness or 0:07:22.127 --> 0:07:23.767 else you can't have joy. Yeah, and they have to 0:07:23.847 --> 0:07:26.167 be best friends. Well, they don't have to be best friends, 0:07:26.167 --> 0:07:28.047 but you know, I mean, like, it's okay to sit 0:07:28.087 --> 0:07:29.967 in the sadness for a bit. If it goes on 0:07:30.087 --> 0:07:32.127 for a long time, it's definitely worth seeking help and 0:07:32.487 --> 0:07:35.927 talking to friends and counselors or psychologists, rabbi whoever you've got. 0:07:36.167 --> 0:07:40.567 But to diagnose yourself with depression, I think is problematic. 0:07:41.007 --> 0:07:42.767 And I think a lot of people go I'm depressed, Like, 0:07:42.847 --> 0:07:44.807 go for a run. Do you feel better after the run? 0:07:45.167 --> 0:07:46.247 You're probably just a bit sad. 0:07:46.447 --> 0:07:49.607 And to acknowledge that it is just a state that. 0:07:49.607 --> 0:07:51.847 You move through, yeah, into instead. 0:07:51.607 --> 0:07:54.367 Of I think the thing is when you feel really low, 0:07:54.727 --> 0:07:57.527 you tell yourself it's forever and you cannot imagine your 0:07:57.567 --> 0:08:01.127 mood ever changing. But the nature of being human is 0:08:01.127 --> 0:08:03.887 that we move through all these different emotions in a 0:08:04.007 --> 0:08:05.847 day and they can be quite extreme. 0:08:06.247 --> 0:08:10.527 Yeah, and for the people who are struggling with that, definitely, yes, 0:08:10.687 --> 0:08:12.287 seek help. I'd put your hand up and say a 0:08:12.367 --> 0:08:15.047 should not doing so well at the moment, and then 0:08:15.247 --> 0:08:17.047 you might get some clarity from that. You're like, oh, 0:08:17.127 --> 0:08:19.367 I was just in a moment and now I'm okay. 0:08:19.407 --> 0:08:21.167 As I said, my thing the other night on stage 0:08:21.207 --> 0:08:24.447 was just a moment. As I said, I'm pretty self aware. 0:08:24.527 --> 0:08:25.967 Like I've done a lot of work with so collegist 0:08:25.967 --> 0:08:28.327 over the years. I've got a great psychotherapist. Now in 0:08:28.367 --> 0:08:29.047 that moment, I was. 0:08:28.967 --> 0:08:32.207 Like, ah, yep, I was just having a moment. 0:08:32.847 --> 0:08:34.567 And knowing that I had that moment and just knowing 0:08:34.567 --> 0:08:37.047 that I needed to talk to my person and talk 0:08:37.047 --> 0:08:41.407 it through was yeah, quite confronting, but also therapeutic for 0:08:41.447 --> 0:08:43.007 both of us as well. 0:08:43.167 --> 0:08:46.007 You were the heart throg of Australian idol. 0:08:46.327 --> 0:08:46.967 Oh thank you. 0:08:47.247 --> 0:08:49.167 Were you twenty one when you were on that show. 0:08:49.247 --> 0:08:51.367 Yeah, I just turned twenty one. I was twenty with 0:08:51.447 --> 0:08:54.367 my first audition. I turned twenty one before I went 0:08:54.407 --> 0:08:54.887 to Sydney. 0:08:54.927 --> 0:08:56.207 You go to Sydney. 0:08:56.727 --> 0:09:00.567 I remember. It's so vividly. What did the public not 0:09:00.807 --> 0:09:04.727 see about that experience? Like, I can't imagine what the 0:09:04.767 --> 0:09:07.967 actual day to day reality was of being on that show. 0:09:08.447 --> 0:09:10.647 We were really busy, Like there was so much publicity 0:09:10.647 --> 0:09:13.687 and stuff that we had to do little stories every day, 0:09:13.767 --> 0:09:15.927 Like the producers were pulling a left, right and center 0:09:16.007 --> 0:09:18.167 to go and do stuff. And the singing was really 0:09:18.767 --> 0:09:20.647 the small part of it. We're saying for a minute 0:09:20.687 --> 0:09:22.967 and a half. And I found that really strange as 0:09:22.967 --> 0:09:25.407 a kid who spent the last three years singing in pubs, 0:09:25.487 --> 0:09:28.487 singing thirty forty songs a night, three or four nights 0:09:28.487 --> 0:09:29.967 a week, I only have to sing. 0:09:29.847 --> 0:09:31.727 For a minute and a half. Sure, let's get a 0:09:31.727 --> 0:09:32.647 little beers, Like. 0:09:32.927 --> 0:09:36.287 It's so weird that it was only a minute and 0:09:36.287 --> 0:09:41.207 a half, Yet to audiences it felt like that was 0:09:41.247 --> 0:09:43.647 your whole week. It's really strange looking back on it, 0:09:43.647 --> 0:09:45.887 that it was such a fleeting moment and it would 0:09:45.887 --> 0:09:47.527 have been so easy to stuff up that minute and 0:09:47.527 --> 0:09:47.847 a half. 0:09:48.447 --> 0:09:51.127 I remember thinking like afterwards, like, you know, people talk 0:09:51.167 --> 0:09:52.367 about you fifteen minutes of fame. 0:09:52.447 --> 0:09:53.567 I actually calculated it. 0:09:53.567 --> 0:09:56.047 I was like, it literally was fifteen minutes of singing 0:09:56.087 --> 0:09:58.967 time on stage. Wow, which is wild to be. What 0:09:59.167 --> 0:10:03.767 they didn't see probably a precocious, super inquisitive young kid. 0:10:03.807 --> 0:10:05.767 I think they sort of painted me a little bit 0:10:05.807 --> 0:10:07.887 as the boy next or maybe a party boy kind 0:10:07.887 --> 0:10:09.527 of guy, which I kind of was as well. So 0:10:09.887 --> 0:10:12.327 I spent the last three years singing in pubs. I 0:10:12.327 --> 0:10:15.087 didn't really have weekends. My weekends were working. So it's 0:10:15.127 --> 0:10:16.687 the first time I'd ever been in a plane before. 0:10:16.727 --> 0:10:19.367 First time I'd like met all these new people, and 0:10:19.407 --> 0:10:22.567 I'm super extroverted, so if there's people around, my energy 0:10:22.607 --> 0:10:25.807 is up. So I spent so much time in the 0:10:25.927 --> 0:10:28.607 van with the director and learning from the camera guys, 0:10:28.887 --> 0:10:31.247 talking to the producers about what they were doing. I 0:10:31.287 --> 0:10:34.927 was super inquisitive about how they're creating the show. And 0:10:34.967 --> 0:10:37.567 as soon as I heard guy Sebastian sing, I was like, what. 0:10:37.647 --> 0:10:40.087 Am I doing here? It's like, I'm not going to win. 0:10:41.207 --> 0:10:43.927 So I just remember going I'm here for the ride. 0:10:44.807 --> 0:10:48.247 What was it like to go on a show and 0:10:48.927 --> 0:10:53.287 develop this profile and then have people tell you who 0:10:53.327 --> 0:10:54.927 you are before you know who you are. 0:10:55.647 --> 0:10:56.807 Yeah, I don't think it's healthy. 0:10:57.167 --> 0:10:59.287 Every time I've gone and talked to kids at schools, 0:10:59.287 --> 0:11:02.007 like the performing out schools, whatever, I teach workshops and 0:11:02.047 --> 0:11:04.087 I get asked, you know, would you recommend my daughter 0:11:04.167 --> 0:11:05.407 or do you recommend me going on the show? 0:11:05.407 --> 0:11:07.207 I was like, do you have a good sense of self? 0:11:07.767 --> 0:11:08.967 They're like, I don't know what that is? Is Like 0:11:09.327 --> 0:11:10.447 then no already. 0:11:10.647 --> 0:11:13.207 So if you have self confidence, great, But I always 0:11:13.247 --> 0:11:16.607 talk about self worth, which is just knowing what your 0:11:17.007 --> 0:11:20.207 value is or your integrity or your reputation. Like, growing 0:11:20.207 --> 0:11:23.447 your self worth will lead to your self confidence. So 0:11:23.847 --> 0:11:26.287 you read more books or like listen to music and 0:11:26.527 --> 0:11:29.487 understand why you like these songs or understand why they 0:11:29.527 --> 0:11:32.127 resonate with you, which is really difficult to know all 0:11:32.127 --> 0:11:34.127 that stuff as a teenager. I don't think your brain 0:11:34.167 --> 0:11:38.047 is quite developed yet. So yeah, my advice is always 0:11:38.087 --> 0:11:39.727 try and work out who you are as a person, 0:11:39.767 --> 0:11:42.887 which evidently will change over time as well, but when 0:11:42.927 --> 0:11:45.487 you're younger it's much harder to get it set. 0:11:45.487 --> 0:11:48.607 A sense of self, is it something that you have 0:11:49.247 --> 0:11:52.687 even going into something like Australian Idol and the years 0:11:52.687 --> 0:11:58.927 before that. When you're performing, do you experience any jealousy 0:11:59.087 --> 0:12:02.407 or competitiveness or comparison in the context. 0:12:01.887 --> 0:12:05.447 Of no, not, okay, how this is weird. Not in 0:12:05.487 --> 0:12:08.447 the real world, but when I see it online. 0:12:08.807 --> 0:12:11.647 Yeah, if I'm on my phone, then I feel a 0:12:11.687 --> 0:12:15.367 pang of jealousy or like foma or whatever. Wow. 0:12:15.607 --> 0:12:16.927 So it's really strange. 0:12:17.007 --> 0:12:19.567 If I see it just in the world, like I 0:12:19.567 --> 0:12:22.087 see like a performer before, like this is amazing, You're incredible. 0:12:22.687 --> 0:12:24.767 I never go I want to do that. I'm like, 0:12:24.967 --> 0:12:26.887 you are doing that, So that's okay, you are before. 0:12:27.127 --> 0:12:30.847 That's fine. But like there's something about seeing it online. 0:12:30.447 --> 0:12:33.207 I have a weird reaction to it. Every now and again. 0:12:33.407 --> 0:12:36.847 I kind of get that, Like if I'm seeing somebody 0:12:37.367 --> 0:12:40.527 in person and they're at their best, I have a 0:12:40.527 --> 0:12:44.687 weird sense of that's you. You do you, I do me, 0:12:44.967 --> 0:12:48.207 Whereas when I see something online, there's something about the 0:12:48.287 --> 0:12:51.607 flattened sense of reality where you're not really seeing the 0:12:51.687 --> 0:12:54.647 difference between who they are and who you are. You're 0:12:54.727 --> 0:12:58.367 just making kind of a snap comparison. Yeah, I totally 0:12:58.367 --> 0:13:01.047 get that. Weird, right, That's when I find myself feeling shit. 0:13:01.287 --> 0:13:03.847 Yeah, yeah, I hadn't thought of that before. 0:13:04.167 --> 0:13:05.887 Yeah, you asked me that question, But yeah, I think 0:13:05.967 --> 0:13:09.207 that's a strange phenomenon. Hence why I've maybe deleted Instagram 0:13:09.327 --> 0:13:11.527 in the last week and I'm having the best week. 0:13:11.647 --> 0:13:13.927 I just I just don't care. 0:13:14.447 --> 0:13:16.527 Not It's not like I don't care, but like, I've 0:13:16.527 --> 0:13:18.847 got a great job. You know, the marketing team is 0:13:18.887 --> 0:13:21.287 doing a great job with the Angeliette stuff. People know 0:13:21.367 --> 0:13:23.687 what I'm doing the show. At the moment, my life 0:13:23.807 --> 0:13:27.647 is literally get up, do some exercise, and go to 0:13:27.687 --> 0:13:27.967 the show. 0:13:28.207 --> 0:13:29.607 A lot of people want to know how my day is. 0:13:29.687 --> 0:13:30.967 A lot of people don't want to know about my. 0:13:30.927 --> 0:13:33.967 Day because you grew up without social media, you were 0:13:34.407 --> 0:13:38.807 just yeah, and because I'm very grateful that I grew 0:13:38.887 --> 0:13:42.527 up without it. Have you kind of seen how that, 0:13:43.447 --> 0:13:47.967 especially in your industry, how that plays with how you 0:13:48.007 --> 0:13:50.327 feel about yourself and feel about what you do. 0:13:50.487 --> 0:13:53.807 Yeah, it's a really weird one because most artists, entertainers, 0:13:53.887 --> 0:13:57.087 or people have a creative people have a sort of 0:13:57.087 --> 0:13:59.647 creative flair, but we also have this weird imposter syndrome 0:14:00.207 --> 0:14:01.007 that comes with it. 0:14:01.007 --> 0:14:02.447 It's like the double edged sword. 0:14:02.447 --> 0:14:05.807 Maybe and I struggle with it at times to like, 0:14:06.487 --> 0:14:08.247 I love being part of the team. I grew up 0:14:08.287 --> 0:14:11.927 playing team sports baseball and cricket and footy, and Ozi 0:14:12.007 --> 0:14:14.807 RULs I should point out, and I love being part 0:14:14.807 --> 0:14:17.407 of the team. And a musical does that for me. 0:14:17.727 --> 0:14:20.447 Sometimes I'm the back pocket player, small bit parts. Sometimes 0:14:20.447 --> 0:14:23.087 I'm the full forward and being part of the teams 0:14:23.127 --> 0:14:25.127 are like I can't do my job without the lighting person. 0:14:25.167 --> 0:14:26.767 I can't do my job with that sound person. We're 0:14:26.807 --> 0:14:31.527 all cogs in the machine. And I like being part 0:14:31.527 --> 0:14:36.047 of that. Social media what it does is it's all you. 0:14:36.567 --> 0:14:37.247 It's just you. 0:14:37.687 --> 0:14:40.607 Everyone is becoming their own brand and they see that's 0:14:40.647 --> 0:14:43.727 the only way to success these days, not so much 0:14:43.887 --> 0:14:45.447 this is the way to be famous, but this is 0:14:45.447 --> 0:14:47.647 the way to success. This is how you make your money, 0:14:47.647 --> 0:14:49.447 This is how you get free things, this is how 0:14:49.447 --> 0:14:53.047 you exist in the world. But like, is it because 0:14:53.047 --> 0:14:56.287 we still exist in the world world, Like, how does 0:14:56.327 --> 0:15:00.327 that skill set make them a better person or connect 0:15:00.407 --> 0:15:02.687 better with people? And I see it across the board 0:15:02.727 --> 0:15:04.847 that so many are doing that at connecting with people 0:15:04.887 --> 0:15:07.807 and the becoming a community of people. But I fear 0:15:07.887 --> 0:15:11.927 sometimes yeah, with social media it just makes you more 0:15:12.007 --> 0:15:15.367 narcissistic and it makes you more individualized, when really we 0:15:15.447 --> 0:15:18.887 know scientifically it's been proven if you want to live 0:15:18.927 --> 0:15:23.927 a longer, happier life. Community, yeah, real community, real physical contact, 0:15:24.047 --> 0:15:27.247 real humans in the rooms together. All this working from 0:15:27.247 --> 0:15:31.127 home stuff is just dispose my mind. But like, we 0:15:31.207 --> 0:15:33.487 need people, yea, even introverts. 0:15:33.527 --> 0:15:36.647 I just yes, and I'm an introvert, but I think 0:15:36.727 --> 0:15:40.727 that idea of there's a selflessness that comes into play 0:15:40.807 --> 0:15:43.287 when you are a cog in a machine. I've noticed 0:15:43.287 --> 0:15:45.567 it in the workplace a little bit. It reminds me 0:15:45.567 --> 0:15:47.607 a lot of team sports. And I always say, I 0:15:47.607 --> 0:15:50.407 reckon you can tell people who played team sports and 0:15:50.447 --> 0:15:52.807 they were growing up because when you're in a team 0:15:52.807 --> 0:15:55.247 and you might say to somebody, hey, can you fill 0:15:55.247 --> 0:15:58.207 in on that shift, like because so and so sick? 0:15:58.767 --> 0:16:00.367 And there are two types of people. There's the person 0:16:00.367 --> 0:16:02.367 who says, oh, yeah, I'm part of the team and 0:16:02.407 --> 0:16:05.247 I see what the team is working towards and that help, yes. 0:16:05.487 --> 0:16:07.607 And then there's a person who's like, but that's inconvenient 0:16:07.647 --> 0:16:10.287 for me, while would I do that? And it's so 0:16:10.447 --> 0:16:13.367 interesting And I can see in musical theater you have 0:16:13.447 --> 0:16:15.487 to be that first type of person you have to 0:16:15.487 --> 0:16:18.607 be because you're working for such a long period of 0:16:18.607 --> 0:16:20.927 time together. No one wants to work with that person 0:16:21.407 --> 0:16:23.927 who's just in it for themselves, which is interesting because 0:16:23.927 --> 0:16:27.767 at the same time you're a performer and you're getting 0:16:27.767 --> 0:16:30.367 applauded at the end of the night, and it's. 0:16:30.287 --> 0:16:30.887 Should point it. 0:16:30.887 --> 0:16:32.447 It's the only job in the world where you finish 0:16:32.527 --> 0:16:36.927 a shift and someone goes someone it's the weirdest jealous 0:16:37.367 --> 0:16:42.607 I just clocked off people, I think many years ago, 0:16:42.687 --> 0:16:44.327 and I think I still think it's a good idea 0:16:44.647 --> 0:16:46.647 where you go out and give stanting ovations to people 0:16:46.647 --> 0:16:48.807 when they finish their job at the office. 0:16:49.807 --> 0:16:53.407 Chairs, well done, well done. I deserve it. At the 0:16:53.487 --> 0:16:56.127 end of the day of parenting, if my daughter could 0:16:56.167 --> 0:16:58.047 just give me a round of applause before she goes 0:16:58.087 --> 0:16:58.887 to bed, that would be well. 0:16:59.887 --> 0:17:01.327 Just put it on the screen, or like have a 0:17:01.807 --> 0:17:03.807 have a flash mob of people that just come with chairs. 0:17:03.887 --> 0:17:05.847 They just get up with everybody. 0:17:06.087 --> 0:17:11.047 Everyone deserves it. After the break, Rob tells us what 0:17:11.207 --> 0:17:14.407 happened after Idle when he performed at a concert I 0:17:14.647 --> 0:17:19.327 was incidentally at, and how getting the thing is not 0:17:19.367 --> 0:17:23.287 a recipe for happiness. 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How 0:18:49.447 --> 0:18:51.247 does that not totally? 0:18:51.327 --> 0:18:52.007 You can tell you right now. 0:18:52.047 --> 0:18:55.967 I've got two older brothers and older cousins, and we're 0:18:55.967 --> 0:18:58.327 a pretty tight knit family. Like I would say, my 0:18:58.407 --> 0:19:01.527 cousins are like brothers and sisters to me as well. 0:19:01.607 --> 0:19:04.767 So my oldest brother Chris, he's very good at keeping 0:19:04.767 --> 0:19:07.447 me grounded. He'd never let me get too big for 0:19:07.527 --> 0:19:09.807 my boots and just kept it real, I would say, 0:19:09.847 --> 0:19:12.247 sometimes to the point of like you can actually just give. 0:19:12.127 --> 0:19:14.727 You some complience, like it's just some combam, it's to 0:19:14.847 --> 0:19:17.167 be nice. No, but that was really helpful. 0:19:17.727 --> 0:19:21.047