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Speaker 1: On high out Louders. It's Claire Stevens here. It's been

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Speaker 1: a little while since I've been in your ears, and

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Speaker 1: I've been busy making a new season of my award

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Speaker 1: winning podcast But Are You Happy. This season we had

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Speaker 1: some incredibly vulnerable chats with some of the biggest names

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Speaker 1: with you part one of my conversation with actor, musician

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Speaker 1: and mental health advocate Rob Mills. Enjoy and if you

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Speaker 3: I think this is just across the board for everyone,

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Speaker 3: and it's definitely for me. When you do the thing,

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Speaker 3: when you get to think you're going to be instantly happy,

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Speaker 3: you know, happiness is like sadness. This is a fleeting

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to But Are You Happy, the podcast

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Speaker 1: that asks the questions you've always wanted to know from

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Speaker 1: the people who appear to have it all. Rob Mills

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Speaker 1: is actually my boyfriend? No he's not, But when I

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Speaker 1: was thirteen, I truly believed he was my boyfriend. Millsy

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Speaker 1: which meant he sometimes wore eyeliner. The country fell in

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Speaker 1: Now he's one of the biggest musical theater stars in

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Speaker 1: We also talk about his relationship with alcohol, the mental

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Speaker 1: Here's my chat with Rob Mills. Rob Mills, You're an actor,

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Speaker 1: a singer, a host and author. You've been a household

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Speaker 1: Idol in two thousand and three. I was prime Australian

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Speaker 1: Idol audience. I was absolutely obsessed. I had your poster

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Speaker 2: How were we? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I would have been thirteen thirteen, so you're really knew

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Speaker 2: She did tell me. I'm going to bring it up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Here here is between me and Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Since then, you've had a solo music career as well

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Speaker 3: It takes all these boxes you said about feeling depression.

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Speaker 1: And to acknowledge that it is just a state that.

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Speaker 1: It's so weird that it was only a minute and

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Speaker 3: I remember thinking like afterwards, like, you know, people talk

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Speaker 3: I was like, it literally was fifteen minutes of singing

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Speaker 1: You've gone from Australian idol, you become a household name.

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Speaker 3: There was a weird period though, where did I say

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Speaker 3: But I'm much happier being the wallflower, joky person right than.

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Speaker 3: And now we've got to an equilibrium of equalness, which

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Speaker 1: Do you think it made your brother feel like shit?

439
00:20:48,767 --> 00:20:49,207
Speaker 2: Possibly?

440
00:20:49,767 --> 00:20:51,407
Speaker 3: No, he's pretty good at keeping in his strike. I

441
00:20:51,407 --> 00:20:52,767
Speaker 3: think he was okay with it. I think it was

442
00:20:52,847 --> 00:20:55,327
Speaker 3: kind of like he would always say, you're.

443
00:20:55,367 --> 00:20:58,167
Speaker 2: My younger brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not Mills's brother.

444
00:20:58,367 --> 00:21:02,087
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Chris brother, which was always good

445
00:21:02,087 --> 00:21:05,007
Speaker 3: at keeping it real. We talked about this in the past,

446
00:21:05,087 --> 00:21:07,327
Speaker 3: and I think he's always been okay. Well, I think

447
00:21:07,327 --> 00:21:09,767
Speaker 3: he's pretty proud, but yeah, the family gathering is a

448
00:21:09,847 --> 00:21:12,927
Speaker 3: weird because also people ask you questions and you forget you.

449
00:21:12,887 --> 00:21:14,647
Speaker 2: Also have to ask questions, yep, yep.

450
00:21:15,047 --> 00:21:16,487
Speaker 3: And I think I went through a period of that

451
00:21:16,567 --> 00:21:20,607
Speaker 3: where I just talked about myself and this is probably

452
00:21:20,607 --> 00:21:24,007
Speaker 3: through my twenties early thirties and started getting therapy.

453
00:21:24,047 --> 00:21:25,567
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you're not a good person.

454
00:21:25,727 --> 00:21:28,687
Speaker 3: Not a good person, but you know, like if you

455
00:21:28,727 --> 00:21:31,087
Speaker 3: want more from people, you need to do the work.

456
00:21:31,367 --> 00:21:32,567
Speaker 2: It's weird because you're.

457
00:21:32,407 --> 00:21:35,527
Speaker 3: Constantly on all the time when you're doing a gig

458
00:21:35,607 --> 00:21:38,447
Speaker 3: or post the show or like and then you're like,

459
00:21:38,487 --> 00:21:40,247
Speaker 3: I've got an energy to I don't have any more

460
00:21:40,287 --> 00:21:41,647
Speaker 3: to ask of anyone else.

461
00:21:42,127 --> 00:21:46,407
Speaker 1: It's weird with fame because people have kind of a shortcut.

462
00:21:46,967 --> 00:21:51,167
Speaker 1: It's like a shortcut to intimacy. So people know a

463
00:21:51,247 --> 00:21:53,847
Speaker 1: sort of surface level things about you, so it's like

464
00:21:53,887 --> 00:21:56,727
Speaker 1: a fast track to ask you certain questions. And I

465
00:21:56,847 --> 00:22:00,407
Speaker 1: notice it even with industry things, that it's really easy

466
00:22:00,447 --> 00:22:01,927
Speaker 1: to go up to someone and say I heard you

467
00:22:01,967 --> 00:22:04,167
Speaker 1: on a podcast and connect with them, and then you think,

468
00:22:04,167 --> 00:22:05,727
Speaker 1: hold on, the person next to you is just as

469
00:22:05,767 --> 00:22:09,647
Speaker 1: interesting as you and the plus one Yeah.

470
00:22:09,287 --> 00:22:12,047
Speaker 2: Exactly, all the plus ones out there bloody love you. Yes,

471
00:22:12,247 --> 00:22:14,807
Speaker 2: and you do a lot of heavy lifting yes for

472
00:22:14,847 --> 00:22:15,847
Speaker 2: the friendship.

473
00:22:15,567 --> 00:22:18,007
Speaker 1: And you think it's a bit dicky to kind of

474
00:22:18,007 --> 00:22:21,527
Speaker 1: only talk to this person who you have this surface

475
00:22:21,607 --> 00:22:24,847
Speaker 1: level of things that you know, did you find after

476
00:22:24,967 --> 00:22:29,327
Speaker 1: idle you had that fame, you had that external success.

477
00:22:30,047 --> 00:22:32,247
Speaker 1: Were you happier than you had been previously?

478
00:22:32,487 --> 00:22:33,367
Speaker 2: No, it was way worse.

479
00:22:34,487 --> 00:22:37,087
Speaker 3: Like if you don't have a good sense of self,

480
00:22:37,527 --> 00:22:39,247
Speaker 3: you know, and everyone has this sort of an idea

481
00:22:39,247 --> 00:22:42,167
Speaker 3: of who you are, and you're just floundering like, but you're.

482
00:22:42,047 --> 00:22:43,927
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you're this party. I'm like, I'm really not.

483
00:22:44,367 --> 00:22:46,207
Speaker 3: And then you drink a lot and then alcohol is

484
00:22:46,207 --> 00:22:49,207
Speaker 3: a depressant and then you're like, Okay, this is also

485
00:22:49,247 --> 00:22:51,087
Speaker 3: not good either. I don't want to beat this party

486
00:22:51,127 --> 00:22:54,527
Speaker 3: boy a very sad place to be. Also, no one

487
00:22:54,527 --> 00:22:55,087
Speaker 3: knows who I am.

488
00:22:55,127 --> 00:22:57,967
Speaker 2: I don't know who am I.

489
00:22:58,087 --> 00:23:01,167
Speaker 3: That was when I had a pretty horrific moment of like,

490
00:23:01,327 --> 00:23:02,367
Speaker 3: that was the very first time.

491
00:23:02,207 --> 00:23:04,807
Speaker 2: I thought about maybe just ended Robert, just end it.

492
00:23:06,047 --> 00:23:07,967
Speaker 3: In a hotel room in the Gold Coast at Indie

493
00:23:08,007 --> 00:23:12,607
Speaker 3: Weekend after I got kicked the show, it was just terrifying,

494
00:23:12,687 --> 00:23:15,527
Speaker 3: And remember calling my brother and just needed to hear

495
00:23:15,567 --> 00:23:18,447
Speaker 3: a familiar voice and really not knowing what I just felt,

496
00:23:18,487 --> 00:23:21,767
Speaker 3: but it was definitely a That balcony door was open.

497
00:23:22,727 --> 00:23:23,727
Speaker 2: And I ran to it.

498
00:23:23,847 --> 00:23:26,007
Speaker 3: I was like quickly slammed at shot and I was like, oh,

499
00:23:26,047 --> 00:23:27,207
Speaker 3: this is a real panic.

500
00:23:26,967 --> 00:23:30,127
Speaker 2: Attack, this is real. Didn't tell my brother what had happened.

501
00:23:30,167 --> 00:23:31,567
Speaker 3: I just needed to hear his voice and he's like, yeah,

502
00:23:31,567 --> 00:23:34,087
Speaker 3: I'm just said Indie having a good time, it's going great.

503
00:23:35,207 --> 00:23:39,367
Speaker 3: Never again will I ever lie to myself or yeah,

504
00:23:39,487 --> 00:23:41,487
Speaker 3: especially to my loved ones. That's why I called Georgie

505
00:23:41,487 --> 00:23:46,767
Speaker 3: straightaway the other day. So it was a happier No,

506
00:23:48,127 --> 00:23:50,447
Speaker 3: lots of things were happening, you know. We did a

507
00:23:50,487 --> 00:23:53,407
Speaker 3: tour of like the country and all the bigger I

508
00:23:53,447 --> 00:23:55,167
Speaker 3: went an amazing concert.

509
00:23:54,847 --> 00:23:58,007
Speaker 2: Right, it was so much fun. Great. I was like

510
00:23:58,127 --> 00:24:01,327
Speaker 2: it was just all these kids, just it was so great.

511
00:24:01,607 --> 00:24:03,927
Speaker 3: We sold out Rod Labor, like not as many times

512
00:24:03,967 --> 00:24:05,807
Speaker 3: as Pink, but then we had two sold out shows

513
00:24:05,807 --> 00:24:08,327
Speaker 3: at Rod Labor. Yeah, we got paid two thousand dollars

514
00:24:08,327 --> 00:24:08,607
Speaker 3: a night.

515
00:24:08,727 --> 00:24:09,127
Speaker 2: Amazing.

516
00:24:10,047 --> 00:24:12,607
Speaker 1: You would have been like eye rolling in it.

517
00:24:12,767 --> 00:24:17,807
Speaker 2: Oh my god, how much money did make off your path?

518
00:24:17,967 --> 00:24:18,767
Speaker 2: Oh my god?

519
00:24:21,087 --> 00:24:26,207
Speaker 1: Have there been times where there's been negative attention on

520
00:24:26,247 --> 00:24:29,807
Speaker 1: you and you've felt it in your day to day life?

521
00:24:29,967 --> 00:24:30,167
Speaker 2: Yeah?

522
00:24:30,167 --> 00:24:34,007
Speaker 3: I still feel like ack when someone mentions Paris Hilton,

523
00:24:34,167 --> 00:24:35,087
Speaker 3: especially if I'm with.

524
00:24:35,087 --> 00:24:36,127
Speaker 2: Georgie or I'm just out.

525
00:24:36,167 --> 00:24:40,367
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, this is over twenty years ago for

526
00:24:40,447 --> 00:24:42,887
Speaker 3: someone I was with like a day, Like, yep, do

527
00:24:42,887 --> 00:24:44,127
Speaker 3: you want to talk about someone that you were with

528
00:24:44,167 --> 00:24:45,487
Speaker 3: in high school twenty years ago?

529
00:24:46,047 --> 00:24:46,607
Speaker 2: What is this for?

530
00:24:47,927 --> 00:24:51,607
Speaker 3: Even if it's like a congratulatory thing, I find that toxic.

531
00:24:51,847 --> 00:24:53,887
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there's like great.

532
00:24:53,687 --> 00:24:57,607
Speaker 1: And quite sexist, dehumanizing to her yeah yeah yeah, and.

533
00:24:57,487 --> 00:25:00,327
Speaker 2: Me and to Georgie, who's right here?

534
00:25:01,287 --> 00:25:05,207
Speaker 3: Yeah, that just always makes you go ah, yuck. And

535
00:25:05,287 --> 00:25:07,487
Speaker 3: I think for a while I was like, who am

536
00:25:07,487 --> 00:25:10,607
Speaker 3: I with that? It's like, I want to be someone.

537
00:25:10,727 --> 00:25:13,567
Speaker 3: I want to be someone who's it, has a good

538
00:25:13,567 --> 00:25:16,047
Speaker 3: work ethic. I want to be someone who performs, who entertains,

539
00:25:16,047 --> 00:25:19,887
Speaker 3: who makes people laugh, it makes people feel good. That

540
00:25:20,087 --> 00:25:23,287
Speaker 3: doesn't make me feel good, like I'm working towards making

541
00:25:23,327 --> 00:25:24,007
Speaker 3: people feel good.

542
00:25:24,007 --> 00:25:26,087
Speaker 2: Why you why are you making me feel yuck?

543
00:25:26,607 --> 00:25:28,607
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the only time, as I said, that happens

544
00:25:28,727 --> 00:25:32,207
Speaker 3: very rare. It's usually like in pubs around blokes. Blokes,

545
00:25:32,247 --> 00:25:36,047
Speaker 3: please read my book realize that this behavior is, yes,

546
00:25:36,407 --> 00:25:36,847
Speaker 3: not great.

547
00:25:37,127 --> 00:25:41,207
Speaker 1: We often ask on this podcast about a time the

548
00:25:41,247 --> 00:25:45,127
Speaker 1: world told you you'd be happy and you weren't. When

549
00:25:45,167 --> 00:25:47,647
Speaker 1: you kind of hear that, are there any moments that

550
00:25:48,007 --> 00:25:48,647
Speaker 1: come to mind?

551
00:25:49,407 --> 00:25:51,967
Speaker 3: I think this is just across the board for everyone,

552
00:25:52,127 --> 00:25:54,647
Speaker 3: and it's definitely for me. When you do the thing,

553
00:25:54,887 --> 00:25:58,607
Speaker 3: when you get the thing, you're going to be instantly happy.

554
00:25:58,887 --> 00:25:59,087
Speaker 1: You know.

555
00:26:00,927 --> 00:26:02,167
Speaker 2: Happiness is like sadness.

556
00:26:02,167 --> 00:26:05,407
Speaker 3: There's a fleeting thing that comes and girls, I was

557
00:26:05,567 --> 00:26:08,607
Speaker 3: so happy when I got Wicked because it completely changed

558
00:26:08,607 --> 00:26:09,167
Speaker 3: my life.

559
00:26:09,607 --> 00:26:10,567
Speaker 2: Right at the end of it.

560
00:26:10,967 --> 00:26:14,127
Speaker 3: I remember there's that article I made an interview about

561
00:26:14,127 --> 00:26:16,167
Speaker 3: me finishing the show and was heading over to New

562
00:26:16,247 --> 00:26:18,727
Speaker 3: York to go and do auditions, and the person that

563
00:26:18,807 --> 00:26:21,807
Speaker 3: interviewed me hadn't even seen the show. Wow, I've done

564
00:26:21,847 --> 00:26:25,047
Speaker 3: it for two years and the titles something about Paris Hilton,

565
00:26:25,647 --> 00:26:26,607
Speaker 3: Rob might be catching up.

566
00:26:26,767 --> 00:26:28,487
Speaker 2: Like no, Rob, it's not catching up with her. He's

567
00:26:28,527 --> 00:26:30,167
Speaker 2: not even seeing he's going to New York.

568
00:26:30,687 --> 00:26:32,727
Speaker 3: I remember, like I was meant to be so happy

569
00:26:32,967 --> 00:26:34,927
Speaker 3: because I was finishing the show, like, and I was

570
00:26:35,007 --> 00:26:35,727
Speaker 3: so sad.

571
00:26:35,927 --> 00:26:38,327
Speaker 2: I cried the whole day. It was my last day

572
00:26:38,327 --> 00:26:40,127
Speaker 2: at work. I was like, what is happening?

573
00:26:41,007 --> 00:26:43,087
Speaker 3: Yeah, but going back to the I thing, like you

574
00:26:43,127 --> 00:26:44,647
Speaker 3: will always think that you were going to be happier

575
00:26:44,687 --> 00:26:47,887
Speaker 3: when you get the thing, but you're not. And that's okay,

576
00:26:48,287 --> 00:26:50,487
Speaker 3: you are you should also Andally Georgie has been very

577
00:26:50,487 --> 00:26:53,047
Speaker 3: good about this because I have always lived in a

578
00:26:53,047 --> 00:26:55,567
Speaker 3: gig economy, so you do the gig and then you're

579
00:26:55,567 --> 00:26:58,207
Speaker 3: looking for the next gig. Always She's like, you got

580
00:26:58,247 --> 00:27:00,007
Speaker 3: to stop and celebrate the wins.

581
00:27:01,007 --> 00:27:06,007
Speaker 1: So when you do, like right, now we're in Anguliette.

582
00:27:06,767 --> 00:27:11,847
Speaker 1: There's something fascinating about being on stage, the adrenaline rush

583
00:27:12,047 --> 00:27:15,287
Speaker 1: you get, the being the center of attention, and then

584
00:27:15,407 --> 00:27:17,607
Speaker 1: right now, for example, are you living on your own

585
00:27:17,727 --> 00:27:20,887
Speaker 1: while Georgie's in Melbourne? Yeah, yeah, yeah, is there a

586
00:27:20,927 --> 00:27:21,567
Speaker 1: bit of a calmdown?

587
00:27:21,687 --> 00:27:22,847
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty lonely at the moment.

588
00:27:22,927 --> 00:27:24,407
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

589
00:27:24,447 --> 00:27:28,207
Speaker 3: Facetiming Georgia quite a lot, and then catching up with mates,

590
00:27:28,207 --> 00:27:29,727
Speaker 3: but there has to be early mornings because a.

591
00:27:29,727 --> 00:27:30,567
Speaker 2: Lot of them go to work.

592
00:27:31,007 --> 00:27:32,727
Speaker 3: You can go catch up with someone on the weekend,

593
00:27:32,767 --> 00:27:34,767
Speaker 3: but then you've got two shows on the Saturday and

594
00:27:34,807 --> 00:27:36,487
Speaker 3: then you've got to so you need to like this

595
00:27:36,567 --> 00:27:39,567
Speaker 3: is that I'm extroverted, so I do need outside energy

596
00:27:39,727 --> 00:27:41,887
Speaker 3: from people energy vampire.

597
00:27:42,647 --> 00:27:43,367
Speaker 2: I'm not like that.

598
00:27:43,647 --> 00:27:45,567
Speaker 3: But then you need to conserve your own energy for

599
00:27:45,607 --> 00:27:47,087
Speaker 3: the show because you need that for the show. So

600
00:27:47,127 --> 00:27:49,207
Speaker 3: you need to make sure you're not talking too much

601
00:27:49,207 --> 00:27:51,727
Speaker 3: because you need your voice to sing. It's a balance.

602
00:27:52,007 --> 00:27:54,047
Speaker 3: I think this will be my last one for a while,

603
00:27:54,487 --> 00:27:57,327
Speaker 3: just because of life circumstances, and I don't think I

604
00:27:57,327 --> 00:27:58,487
Speaker 3: can do the distance again.

605
00:27:59,047 --> 00:27:59,847
Speaker 2: It's too hard.

606
00:28:00,207 --> 00:28:03,727
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been in Singapore Perth and now Sydney, so

607
00:28:03,927 --> 00:28:06,047
Speaker 3: for the better part of a year we've lived apart.

608
00:28:06,807 --> 00:28:12,087
Speaker 1: Is it tricky wanting to things at once? Because from

609
00:28:12,087 --> 00:28:17,447
Speaker 1: the outside, yeah, it feels like you and Georgie are

610
00:28:17,887 --> 00:28:21,687
Speaker 1: obviously two people who Georgie, for anyone listening, is a

611
00:28:21,727 --> 00:28:26,007
Speaker 1: host on the project and is an established journalist in

612
00:28:26,047 --> 00:28:30,567
Speaker 1: her own right, and both of you are very career focused,

613
00:28:30,687 --> 00:28:34,807
Speaker 1: and your careers are in two different places. I can't

614
00:28:34,807 --> 00:28:39,447
Speaker 1: imagine what that's like to navigate every decision knowing that

615
00:28:40,287 --> 00:28:43,807
Speaker 1: there's a very real cost. And I guess you're pursuing

616
00:28:43,847 --> 00:28:45,687
Speaker 1: something that makes you happy, but there's a big component

617
00:28:45,727 --> 00:28:47,887
Speaker 1: of it that challenges your happiness.

618
00:28:47,927 --> 00:28:52,087
Speaker 3: It's the and every psychologist will tell you this compromise.

619
00:28:52,687 --> 00:28:56,007
Speaker 3: It's the common promise that you make with your partner.

620
00:28:56,527 --> 00:28:59,247
Speaker 3: What is the common promise? What are the non negotiables

621
00:28:59,327 --> 00:29:02,527
Speaker 3: or the negotiables? And do we need to schedule in

622
00:29:02,607 --> 00:29:04,847
Speaker 3: time for us? What does that look like? Is it

623
00:29:04,847 --> 00:29:06,607
Speaker 3: in a Monday morning, is it after the show on

624
00:29:06,647 --> 00:29:07,767
Speaker 3: a Thursday night?

625
00:29:07,847 --> 00:29:09,807
Speaker 2: You know, what does that look like?

626
00:29:10,047 --> 00:29:12,647
Speaker 3: How much contact hours can we have do we need

627
00:29:13,127 --> 00:29:17,767
Speaker 3: in order for us to maintain a healthy, lovely, sexy

628
00:29:17,807 --> 00:29:20,727
Speaker 3: relate like we're still young enough to you know, like

629
00:29:20,767 --> 00:29:22,767
Speaker 3: how do we do that bit of it as well?

630
00:29:23,007 --> 00:29:29,527
Speaker 2: Geordie said, do not talk about our sex. I think

631
00:29:29,567 --> 00:29:31,327
Speaker 2: I shared way too much in the last podcast.

632
00:29:32,487 --> 00:29:36,687
Speaker 3: It's difficult, but yeah, it's writing your lists and scheduling

633
00:29:36,687 --> 00:29:42,247
Speaker 3: your schedules, which is hard because we're both have schedules

634
00:29:42,367 --> 00:29:43,887
Speaker 3: done for us, and then it's like, all right, what

635
00:29:44,247 --> 00:29:48,327
Speaker 3: are our schedules? And that's yeah, that's sometimes tough because

636
00:29:48,367 --> 00:29:52,527
Speaker 3: also she needs downtime and I need energy.

637
00:29:52,607 --> 00:29:56,047
Speaker 1: So so she's trying to relax and you're like, hey, hey, yeah.

638
00:29:56,047 --> 00:29:58,047
Speaker 3: And then we talked about this with my psych the

639
00:29:58,087 --> 00:29:59,887
Speaker 3: other day, and I think this is really important for

640
00:30:00,087 --> 00:30:02,487
Speaker 3: people who are doing long distance relationships or even just

641
00:30:03,007 --> 00:30:05,487
Speaker 3: couples who can't spend as much time as possible with

642
00:30:05,527 --> 00:30:08,447
Speaker 3: each other. When you come together, there's this is immense

643
00:30:08,527 --> 00:30:10,927
Speaker 3: pressure to make it a thing, that it has to

644
00:30:11,007 --> 00:30:12,887
Speaker 3: be a date night and it has to be perfect,

645
00:30:12,887 --> 00:30:15,567
Speaker 3: that it has to end in this most wild and

646
00:30:15,607 --> 00:30:18,727
Speaker 3: passionate sex that we haven't had in ages, when really

647
00:30:19,727 --> 00:30:21,767
Speaker 3: you shouldn't put the pressure on it, because what if

648
00:30:21,807 --> 00:30:24,167
Speaker 3: it's just you just need to hang out, h TV

649
00:30:24,287 --> 00:30:27,247
Speaker 3: and eat pizza and that's enough. Was in Melbourne the

650
00:30:27,287 --> 00:30:29,647
Speaker 3: other day and I reckon, I fell asleep within half

651
00:30:29,687 --> 00:30:31,847
Speaker 3: an hour being on the couch, Like it was the

652
00:30:31,847 --> 00:30:33,527
Speaker 3: best sleep I've had in months.

653
00:30:34,047 --> 00:30:36,447
Speaker 2: So maybe that's that's all you need.

654
00:30:37,567 --> 00:30:43,687
Speaker 1: When did you know that Georgie was different slash that

655
00:30:43,767 --> 00:30:44,767
Speaker 1: Georgie was the one?

656
00:30:45,647 --> 00:30:48,167
Speaker 3: I think it was like after a couple of dates,

657
00:30:48,527 --> 00:30:51,527
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, she doesn't like the thing that

658
00:30:51,567 --> 00:30:54,407
Speaker 3: we're in, Like it doesn't not like it, it just is.

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Speaker 3: It's not a I am not striving for more fame

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Speaker 3: or celebrity or for more things. This is just part

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00:31:01,047 --> 00:31:03,847
Speaker 3: of my life, part of my job, and I love that.

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Speaker 3: I was like, you don't meet many people now that

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Speaker 3: everyone's like how many followers he likes to get have

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Speaker 3: any The word was obsessed with social media and your presence,

665
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, can't just be a job and then

666
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Speaker 3: can we just do other stuff that's not online and stuff?

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Speaker 3: And I don't think we even talked about it. I

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Speaker 3: think it's just the way she presented her world in

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00:31:26,767 --> 00:31:30,087
Speaker 3: her life and talked about her friends. And I was like, oh,

670
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Speaker 3: you're like me, You're just like a little nerd, Like

671
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Speaker 3: he's just doing a good job and just wants the

672
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Speaker 3: world to be a good place and like you like

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Speaker 3: good art and good movies and films.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, and.

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Speaker 3: You think deeply about things and you write it down

676
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Speaker 3: and we talk about her like oh, and she sent

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Speaker 3: me some books. She gave me some books to read

678
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Speaker 3: while I was overseas. We started dating. I think within

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Speaker 3: a couple of months.

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Speaker 2: I was on an overseas trip with a mate, which.

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Speaker 3: I was really planning on, you know, having a good

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Speaker 3: time oseas, and I, god, damn, I've been a really

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Speaker 3: good one.

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Speaker 2: She gave me on the Jellico Road.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and The.

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Speaker 3: Perks of Being a Wallflower and I read them on

687
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Speaker 3: the trips, like these are very good books. Like it

688
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Speaker 3: was the one the quote from Persiving a Wallflower.

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Speaker 1: We get the love we think we just yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I was like.

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Speaker 3: Round yeah, because if you think that you're not great,

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Speaker 3: you know, deserve love, you're never going to get it,

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Speaker 3: or we're going to get a yuck kind of love.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, that's you. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: that was it.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I found her, I found it.

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Speaker 1: I'm crying, thank you, thank you, thank you, so much

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Speaker 1: for listening to part one of my interview with Rob Mills.

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Speaker 1: In part two of this episode, Rob Mills talks about

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Speaker 1: his relationship with TV presenter Georgie Tunney and gives us

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Speaker 1: a sneak peek into their wedding planning. He also shares

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Speaker 1: his thoughts on why it's so important for men to

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Speaker 1: open up about their mental health, and reflects on his

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Speaker 1: journey with his sexuality after years media speculation. If you

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Speaker 1: want to listen to that, or any of the other

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Speaker 1: incredible interviews we had this season, there's a link in

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Speaker 1: the show notes