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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. The sudden death of Virginia Giufrey

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Speaker 2: has sparked new questions about what happens now to Prince Andrew,

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Speaker 2: plus how many ways are there to baker biscuit? The

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Speaker 2: Australian food blogging community has been rocked by serious plagiarism allegations.

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Speaker 2: Before we get there, here's Claire Murphy with the latest

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Speaker 2: from the Quickie newsroom for Thursday May one.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor, the manager of the New South Wales Police

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Speaker 1: Terrorism Protection Unit will give evidence that the inquest into

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Speaker 1: the Bondi stabbing attack today to shed further light on

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Speaker 1: the investigation that followed the April twenty twenty four incident.

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Speaker 1: The officer in charge has already given evidence that the

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Speaker 1: Inspector Amy Scott, who confronted him as he ran at

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Speaker 1: to hold any extremist beliefs, although counsel assisting the coroner

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Speaker 1: advised that he did have a distressing browsing history that

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Speaker 1: showed a preoccupation with weapons, violence and mass killings. A

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Speaker 1: specialized paramedic with training and hazardous situations will also give

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Speaker 1: evidence today, while the coroner looks into issues such as

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Speaker 1: the effectiveness of interagency communication and the efficacy of emergency

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Speaker 1: services and security. Australian house prices continue to rise, with

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Speaker 1: According to data from Cotality formally core Logic, defying the

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Speaker 1: economic uncertainty caused by US President Donald Trump's trade tariffs,

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Speaker 1: first witness in the trial over a deadly lunch that

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Speaker 1: stand today as Aaron Patterson attempts to prove she did

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Speaker 1: not deliberately poison her former in laws. Prosecutors claim Patterson

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has given an interview where he argued with

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Speaker 1: You hear how that?

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Speaker 3: Hey, they're giving you the big break of a lifetime.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, everything that's happened since the death of

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Speaker 4: So she'd been living in Australia in near Gabby, which

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Speaker 4: She had been accused of breaching a domestic violence order,

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Speaker 2: Virginia's life has been quite storied, and she's been through

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Speaker 4: The initial family response was to accept this at face

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Speaker 4: She'd been planning renovation, she'd had an appointment even booked

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Speaker 2: I want to bring Prince Andrew in here now. Virginia

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Speaker 2: But there is mounting pressure to look back into that.

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Speaker 4: So, because it was settled, we're probably not going to

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Speaker 4: But it's really important to remember that that doesn't change

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Speaker 2: If you or someone you know needs expert help, please

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Speaker 2: contact one eight hundred respect. That's the National Sexual Assault,

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Speaker 2: Domestic and Family Violence Counseling Service. They're on one eight

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Speaker 2: hundred seven three seven seven, three to two and if

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Speaker 2: you're in immediate danger, call triple zero. A storm has

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Speaker 2: who are these people and what's gone down? Nagi Behashi

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Speaker 2: She's also recently published her first cookbook, Bake with Brookie,

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Speaker 2: which leads us to the allegations. Essentially, Nagi says within

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Speaker 2: the pages of Bake with Brookie, Brooke has ripped off

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Speaker 2: some of her recipes down to the exact measurements. Brookie's publisher,

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Speaker 2: Taken to her Instagram the statement rejecting Nagi's claims. Eilish

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Speaker 2: Deliney has been following the case. Eilish, how did this

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Speaker 5: Nagi posted a statement online on Tuesday after a reader

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Speaker 5: actually pointed out similarities between two of her recipes and

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Speaker 5: she's been dealing with a lawyer up until now and

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Speaker 5: it's all kind of come to light this week.

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Speaker 2: What are the recipes that have allegedly been ripped off?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's her caramel slice recipe and her Bucklovar

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Speaker 5: recipe that she originally posted online. And she said that

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Speaker 5: Brookie's recipes are very similar. Her main gripe is her

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Speaker 5: caramel slice is made with real caramel, while most are

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Speaker 5: actually made with golden syrup, which I had no idea of.

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Speaker 5: But Brookie's recipe uses the caramel as well, and Nagis

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Speaker 5: described it as a slap in the face to authors

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Speaker 5: who kind of put the hard work in testing their

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Speaker 5: recipes to create content, because she thinks that in this case,

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Speaker 5: her content has been kind of taken.

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Speaker 2: These are two really big food personalities here in Australia.

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Speaker 2: They've both grown their followings online for sharing their recipes.

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Speaker 2: Sharing Brookie obviously her whole journey to opening her bakehouse

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Speaker 2: and then all the success she's had there and recipe

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Speaker 2: he needs now is such a beloved member of that community.

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Speaker 2: When things like this pop up online, it's really hard

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Speaker 2: to tell who is in the wrong right And I'm

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Speaker 2: not asking you to speculate on who's in the wrong alish,

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Speaker 2: but what has some of the response being like from

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really hard because it's such a gray area

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Speaker 5: when it comes to recipes and plagiarism in food media,

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Speaker 5: because you can't actually copyright a recipe when it's a

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Speaker 5: list of ingredients or a really short recipe. It's kind

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Speaker 5: of when it's more flowery, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 5: creative expression around the recipe that can be copyrighted. And

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Speaker 5: I guess when you come to think of food, there

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Speaker 5: is only so many ways you can make a biscuit

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Speaker 5: or caramel slice or something like that, So there is

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Speaker 5: going to be a bit of a crossover at some points.

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Speaker 2: What's Brookie's respond being to these claims, because you know,

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Speaker 2: these are things that have been printed in her cookbook

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Speaker 2: And I think Noggi's biggest gripe here is that it's plagiarism,

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Speaker 2: but it's been put into a cookbook that's then sold

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Brookie has come out and she has flat out

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Speaker 5: denied the allegation. She has said that she didn't plagiarize

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Speaker 5: any of the hundred recipes that are in her cookbook.

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Speaker 5: And she's been cooking since she was a kid, and

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Speaker 5: she said that the recipes that are the ones in

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Speaker 5: been making them for years and she's been selling them

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Speaker 5: commercially since October twenty sixteen. And she shared a photo

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Speaker 5: online where she has been selling that caramel slice recipe.

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Speaker 5: And she did say that she offered to remove the

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Speaker 5: two recipes in question from further reprints to keep the peace,

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Speaker 5: but it will just have to see from where it goes.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. The Quikie is produced by me Taylor Strano,

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