1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mamma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,174 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:25,014 Speaker 1: is recorded on Hi. I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mamma 4 00:00:25,054 --> 00:00:28,934 Speaker 1: MIA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie. It's been more 5 00:00:28,974 --> 00:00:32,174 Speaker 1: than eight years since Angelina Jolie filed for divorce from 6 00:00:32,214 --> 00:00:36,934 Speaker 1: Brad Pitt, but their separation legal woes continue making headlines 7 00:00:37,014 --> 00:00:39,574 Speaker 1: and again this week is Jolly's secured to win that 8 00:00:39,654 --> 00:00:42,534 Speaker 1: will potentially expose Pitt in ways his lawyers seemed desperate 9 00:00:42,574 --> 00:00:45,054 Speaker 1: to keep a lid on. When will we see the 10 00:00:45,134 --> 00:00:48,134 Speaker 1: fairy tale that turned dark and continues to get dirtier 11 00:00:48,214 --> 00:00:51,374 Speaker 1: finally come to a conclusion. We'll speak to Mummamea's own 12 00:00:51,414 --> 00:00:54,174 Speaker 1: Tina Burke about the latest in the Battle of Brandelina. 13 00:00:54,254 --> 00:00:55,814 Speaker 1: But before we do that, here's the latest from the 14 00:00:55,854 --> 00:00:59,694 Speaker 1: Quikie newsroom. Thursday, December five, the CEO of a major 15 00:00:59,734 --> 00:01:02,374 Speaker 1: health insurance company in the US has been shot dead 16 00:01:02,454 --> 00:01:04,974 Speaker 1: in what police believe was a targeted attack by a 17 00:01:05,054 --> 00:01:07,814 Speaker 1: gunman lying in wait. Brian Thompson was the head of 18 00:01:07,814 --> 00:01:11,134 Speaker 1: the largest health insurer in the Uni States, United Healthcare, 19 00:01:11,454 --> 00:01:14,294 Speaker 1: who provided benefits to tens of millions of people who 20 00:01:14,294 --> 00:01:16,534 Speaker 1: pay more for health care than in any other country 21 00:01:16,534 --> 00:01:19,534 Speaker 1: in the world. While a motive has yet to be determined, 22 00:01:19,614 --> 00:01:21,654 Speaker 1: police will be looking into people who may have had 23 00:01:21,694 --> 00:01:24,614 Speaker 1: their claim denied or who may have links to the company. 24 00:01:24,974 --> 00:01:27,934 Speaker 1: The suspect, who remains at large, reportedly wore a mask 25 00:01:27,974 --> 00:01:30,454 Speaker 1: and arrived at the New York Kilton Hotel just minutes 26 00:01:30,494 --> 00:01:33,534 Speaker 1: before Thompson, who was there to attend a conference. He 27 00:01:33,574 --> 00:01:36,454 Speaker 1: opened fire and continued shooting even though the guns seemed 28 00:01:36,454 --> 00:01:39,014 Speaker 1: to have jammed. He then fled on foot before taking 29 00:01:39,014 --> 00:01:42,814 Speaker 1: an electric bike into Central Park. An Australian woman has 30 00:01:42,854 --> 00:01:46,294 Speaker 1: been sentenced to six years behind bars for smuggling methanphetamine 31 00:01:46,334 --> 00:01:49,654 Speaker 1: into Japan. Donna Nelson's family say she was the victim 32 00:01:49,654 --> 00:01:52,334 Speaker 1: of a romance scammer when she was arrested at Narita 33 00:01:52,374 --> 00:01:56,294 Speaker 1: Airport in January last year, customs finding around two kilos 34 00:01:56,294 --> 00:01:59,094 Speaker 1: of the drug hidden under a false bottom of her suitcase. 35 00:01:59,414 --> 00:02:01,574 Speaker 1: Nelson told the court she didn't know they were there, 36 00:02:01,814 --> 00:02:03,934 Speaker 1: and she was carrying the suitcase from a man she'd 37 00:02:03,934 --> 00:02:06,454 Speaker 1: hoped to marry, a man who told her he was 38 00:02:06,454 --> 00:02:09,294 Speaker 1: the Nigerian owner of a fashion business picking up what 39 00:02:09,374 --> 00:02:11,934 Speaker 1: she thought were dress samples from an acquaintance in Lao 40 00:02:12,054 --> 00:02:15,134 Speaker 1: en route to Japan. The jarge acknowledged that miss Nelson 41 00:02:15,174 --> 00:02:17,294 Speaker 1: had been deceived, but that she would have had to 42 00:02:17,334 --> 00:02:19,814 Speaker 1: have sensed that something was wrong with the arrangement and 43 00:02:19,894 --> 00:02:22,214 Speaker 1: that something illegal could be hidden in the suitcase and 44 00:02:22,254 --> 00:02:25,054 Speaker 1: she could have stopped. The six year sentence is shorter 45 00:02:25,134 --> 00:02:28,174 Speaker 1: than what could have been imposed after prosecutors demanded ten 46 00:02:28,294 --> 00:02:32,214 Speaker 1: years jailed. UK baby killer Lucy Letb's being questioned over 47 00:02:32,254 --> 00:02:35,254 Speaker 1: the debts of more infants as police investigate the care 48 00:02:35,294 --> 00:02:38,654 Speaker 1: of around four thousand babies admitted to hospital where she worked. 49 00:02:38,934 --> 00:02:41,054 Speaker 1: The thirty four year old, who was sentenced to life 50 00:02:41,054 --> 00:02:43,694 Speaker 1: with no chance of release over the deaths of seven 51 00:02:43,734 --> 00:02:46,334 Speaker 1: babies and the attempt to kill seven more while working 52 00:02:46,374 --> 00:02:49,334 Speaker 1: as a neonatal nurse in Northwest England in twenty fifteen 53 00:02:49,374 --> 00:02:52,134 Speaker 1: and twenty sixteen, harmed the little ones in ways that 54 00:02:52,174 --> 00:02:55,854 Speaker 1: were difficult to trace, including injecting air into their bloodstreams, 55 00:02:56,014 --> 00:02:59,694 Speaker 1: poisoning them with insulin, or interfering with breathing tubes. She's 56 00:02:59,734 --> 00:03:02,974 Speaker 1: been interviewed under caution about more child debts, meaning the 57 00:03:03,014 --> 00:03:06,374 Speaker 1: interview was recorded and could be used in future prosecutions. 58 00:03:06,694 --> 00:03:08,734 Speaker 1: Let Be claim she never harmed a child in her 59 00:03:08,774 --> 00:03:12,694 Speaker 1: care and has unsuccessfully tried to appeal her convictions. The 60 00:03:12,734 --> 00:03:15,774 Speaker 1: Matildas have scored a win over Taiwan, but interim coach 61 00:03:15,814 --> 00:03:19,934 Speaker 1: Tom Somani says the experimental lineup struggled to create clear chances. 62 00:03:20,254 --> 00:03:22,934 Speaker 1: The Aussies took the game three to one without many 63 00:03:22,974 --> 00:03:26,734 Speaker 1: of its big names nine players returning to their European clubs, 64 00:03:26,774 --> 00:03:30,814 Speaker 1: including Steph Katley, Caitlin Ford and Ellie Carpenter. Samani made 65 00:03:30,854 --> 00:03:34,854 Speaker 1: seven starting lineup changes, with three debutants, Natasha Pryor, Shan 66 00:03:34,934 --> 00:03:38,654 Speaker 1: Freer and Briley Henry all scoring their first international goals. 67 00:03:38,934 --> 00:03:41,494 Speaker 1: Samani said they only had one training session with the 68 00:03:41,534 --> 00:03:44,014 Speaker 1: new players the day before the game, hoping for the 69 00:03:44,014 --> 00:03:45,894 Speaker 1: best as they were thrown onto the field with a 70 00:03:45,934 --> 00:03:49,094 Speaker 1: little bit of guidance. That's what's happening in the world today. Next, 71 00:03:49,174 --> 00:03:51,894 Speaker 1: when will Brad and Anne finally get divorced, we find 72 00:03:51,934 --> 00:04:03,134 Speaker 1: out why their legal battle gets even ugly up When 73 00:04:03,174 --> 00:04:07,294 Speaker 1: recently divorced Angelina Jolie and still married Brad Pitt met 74 00:04:07,334 --> 00:04:09,334 Speaker 1: on the set of the movie Mister and Missus Smith. 75 00:04:09,614 --> 00:04:13,254 Speaker 1: The world was intrigued. Could the two people who pretty 76 00:04:13,294 --> 00:04:15,894 Speaker 1: much everyone had concluded were the best looking specimens of 77 00:04:15,934 --> 00:04:20,534 Speaker 1: their respective genders actually get together? Imagine the beautiful babies 78 00:04:20,574 --> 00:04:23,734 Speaker 1: they would make. In June two thousand and five, mister 79 00:04:23,734 --> 00:04:26,334 Speaker 1: and Missus Smith came out in cinemas. Two months later, 80 00:04:26,494 --> 00:04:29,334 Speaker 1: friend's favorite Jennifer Aniston, who was at the time married 81 00:04:29,374 --> 00:04:32,494 Speaker 1: to Pitt, announced they were separating amid rumours that Jolly 82 00:04:32,534 --> 00:04:36,294 Speaker 1: and Pitt had had an affair. Now Jolly said publicly 83 00:04:36,334 --> 00:04:38,174 Speaker 1: that she would never be attracted to a man who 84 00:04:38,254 --> 00:04:41,294 Speaker 1: cheated on his wife, but did say in later interviews 85 00:04:41,414 --> 00:04:44,254 Speaker 1: that a deep friendship evolved from them working together on 86 00:04:44,374 --> 00:04:47,974 Speaker 1: the project. After Pitt's divorce was finalized in October two 87 00:04:48,014 --> 00:04:51,134 Speaker 1: thousand and five, the pair officially started dating, and the 88 00:04:51,174 --> 00:04:55,414 Speaker 1: tabloids went wild. The glamorous pair would be snapped whenever 89 00:04:55,414 --> 00:04:59,574 Speaker 1: they stepped outside. Their red carpet appearances together created a frenzy, 90 00:04:59,974 --> 00:05:04,014 Speaker 1: and just a year later, they welcomed their first biological child, Shiloh. 91 00:05:04,414 --> 00:05:07,134 Speaker 1: Pitt would later adopt both of Jolly's other children, Maddox 92 00:05:07,174 --> 00:05:10,494 Speaker 1: and Zahara, in two thousand and seven, and Jolly adopted 93 00:05:10,534 --> 00:05:13,934 Speaker 1: Pax solo juit to laws in Vietnam not allowing unmarried 94 00:05:13,974 --> 00:05:17,254 Speaker 1: couples to adopt together, but Pitt would also adopt Pax 95 00:05:17,334 --> 00:05:20,374 Speaker 1: himself before she and Pitt had biological twins in two 96 00:05:20,374 --> 00:05:23,054 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, Knox and Vivian, making them a family 97 00:05:23,094 --> 00:05:26,774 Speaker 1: of eight. After ten years together, Jolly and Pitt decided 98 00:05:26,814 --> 00:05:30,574 Speaker 1: to walk down the aisle in August twenty fourteen. Angelina 99 00:05:30,654 --> 00:05:34,974 Speaker 1: Jolly's custom at Teleiavasachi dress, an elegant ivory gown, was 100 00:05:35,014 --> 00:05:38,334 Speaker 1: famously decorated with colorful drawings done by their children. They 101 00:05:38,414 --> 00:05:40,454 Speaker 1: covered not just the dress, but the veil too. 102 00:05:41,374 --> 00:05:41,534 Speaker 2: Now. 103 00:05:41,574 --> 00:05:43,694 Speaker 1: Sheer would go on to tell Tom Brokaw that year 104 00:05:43,854 --> 00:05:46,534 Speaker 1: that the decision to get married was about committing to 105 00:05:46,574 --> 00:05:47,854 Speaker 1: the entire family together. 106 00:05:48,494 --> 00:05:51,974 Speaker 3: It was in just a feeling of that security and 107 00:05:52,014 --> 00:05:54,734 Speaker 3: comfort that we always had, but that recommitting after ten 108 00:05:54,814 --> 00:05:57,894 Speaker 3: years of being together, and we were fortunate enough to 109 00:05:57,934 --> 00:06:00,094 Speaker 3: be in that unusual situation where we got married with 110 00:06:00,134 --> 00:06:02,134 Speaker 3: our children and they were part of the ceremony and 111 00:06:02,174 --> 00:06:04,694 Speaker 3: they wrote some of the vows, and so it was 112 00:06:04,734 --> 00:06:07,694 Speaker 3: all of us need to be together and to just 113 00:06:08,214 --> 00:06:11,174 Speaker 3: commit this to the life together, not because we had tune, 114 00:06:11,174 --> 00:06:13,654 Speaker 3: not because anything was missing our lives because we were 115 00:06:13,694 --> 00:06:16,374 Speaker 3: absolutely sure, we felt that much of a family, and 116 00:06:16,414 --> 00:06:18,494 Speaker 3: it was that moment, So it was really lovely. It 117 00:06:18,534 --> 00:06:19,374 Speaker 3: was a lovely day. 118 00:06:20,174 --> 00:06:22,614 Speaker 1: She would say in another interview a year later that 119 00:06:22,694 --> 00:06:25,574 Speaker 1: they chose to make a movie together on their honeymoon, 120 00:06:25,734 --> 00:06:28,334 Speaker 1: the first one since Mister and Missus Smith called By 121 00:06:28,414 --> 00:06:31,814 Speaker 1: the Sea, detailing the breakdown of a troubled marriage, because 122 00:06:31,814 --> 00:06:32,814 Speaker 1: it was nothing like them. 123 00:06:33,294 --> 00:06:35,054 Speaker 3: I'm counting on the audience to know that if it 124 00:06:35,094 --> 00:06:37,454 Speaker 3: was close to us at all, we could never make 125 00:06:37,494 --> 00:06:40,574 Speaker 3: this film. It's because we're actually very, very stable and 126 00:06:40,574 --> 00:06:41,574 Speaker 3: these aren't our issues. 127 00:06:42,254 --> 00:06:45,094 Speaker 1: But on a podcast in recent years, Angelina would admit 128 00:06:45,134 --> 00:06:47,334 Speaker 1: that it probably wasn't a good idea to do that 129 00:06:47,414 --> 00:06:50,454 Speaker 1: project together, and that things really weren't going well for 130 00:06:50,534 --> 00:06:51,454 Speaker 1: them from that point. 131 00:06:51,854 --> 00:06:55,654 Speaker 4: It should have been good for us, to be honest, 132 00:06:55,694 --> 00:06:57,214 Speaker 4: I wanted to work with them because we had met 133 00:06:57,254 --> 00:07:00,134 Speaker 4: working together, we worked together well, and I wanted us 134 00:07:00,214 --> 00:07:03,374 Speaker 4: to do some serious work together. I thought that it 135 00:07:03,414 --> 00:07:06,094 Speaker 4: could be a good way for us to communicate. But 136 00:07:06,174 --> 00:07:09,934 Speaker 4: there was a heaviness probably during that situation that carried on, 137 00:07:10,094 --> 00:07:13,254 Speaker 4: and it wasn't because of the film. Maybe it didn't 138 00:07:13,254 --> 00:07:16,494 Speaker 4: solve certain things, but we did communicate something that maybe 139 00:07:16,534 --> 00:07:18,174 Speaker 4: needed to be communicated to each other. 140 00:07:19,014 --> 00:07:21,374 Speaker 1: While Brad stood by her during her rough ride with 141 00:07:21,414 --> 00:07:24,534 Speaker 1: ovarian cancer and having her breasts removed after finding out 142 00:07:24,574 --> 00:07:27,854 Speaker 1: she carried the brackageen, the pair reportedly started to fracture. 143 00:07:28,374 --> 00:07:30,774 Speaker 1: Stories were being leaked left and right about the couple. 144 00:07:31,214 --> 00:07:34,054 Speaker 1: Some claimed Jolie was looking at a life beyond Hollywood, 145 00:07:34,094 --> 00:07:37,134 Speaker 1: while Pitt was keen to continue his megamovie star status. 146 00:07:37,574 --> 00:07:40,054 Speaker 1: Some claimed Pitt had a problem with alcohol, something he 147 00:07:40,094 --> 00:07:42,414 Speaker 1: would later admit to, and that it became too much 148 00:07:42,454 --> 00:07:45,694 Speaker 1: for his family to handle. Others claimed Jolly was focused 149 00:07:45,734 --> 00:07:47,734 Speaker 1: more on her role as an ambassador to the UN 150 00:07:47,774 --> 00:07:50,534 Speaker 1: and her work with refugees than on her own marriage. 151 00:07:51,134 --> 00:07:54,654 Speaker 1: There were also reports that Pitt was having affairs. One 152 00:07:54,774 --> 00:07:58,174 Speaker 1: rumor linked him to another coaster, Marion Catilliard, but she 153 00:07:58,254 --> 00:08:00,614 Speaker 1: denied anything happened and wished the couple luck in their 154 00:08:00,614 --> 00:08:04,854 Speaker 1: relationship moving forward. There were rumors that Pitt was controlling 155 00:08:04,974 --> 00:08:08,294 Speaker 1: and abusive, and then one day something happened on a 156 00:08:08,334 --> 00:08:10,934 Speaker 1: private jet that the entire our family was on returning 157 00:08:10,934 --> 00:08:13,814 Speaker 1: to the US that would become the catalyst for the 158 00:08:13,854 --> 00:08:17,654 Speaker 1: Brandolina fairytale to come crashing down, and on September fourteen, 159 00:08:17,734 --> 00:08:21,254 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, the split was announced and the tabloids again 160 00:08:21,294 --> 00:08:24,894 Speaker 1: went into overdrive. Now that means we are now eight 161 00:08:25,054 --> 00:08:28,254 Speaker 1: years into the Brandolina breakdown and still the pair have 162 00:08:28,374 --> 00:08:31,454 Speaker 1: yet to finalize their divorce, and just this week we 163 00:08:31,534 --> 00:08:34,054 Speaker 1: heard that Pitt may be forced to hand over documents 164 00:08:34,374 --> 00:08:37,854 Speaker 1: that prove he was abusive towards his family. To break 165 00:08:37,894 --> 00:08:40,414 Speaker 1: down what's going on with Ang and Brad, is Tina Burke, 166 00:08:40,574 --> 00:08:43,934 Speaker 1: Muma MIA's entertainment editor, Tina, I guess first we need 167 00:08:43,974 --> 00:08:48,254 Speaker 1: to figure out what exactly allegedly happened on that plane 168 00:08:48,254 --> 00:08:50,454 Speaker 1: that day, And we have to say allegedly because no 169 00:08:50,774 --> 00:08:52,454 Speaker 1: charges have ever been filed. 170 00:08:52,454 --> 00:08:55,974 Speaker 2: But what happened, So what we do know is from 171 00:08:56,054 --> 00:09:00,614 Speaker 2: both the reductive FBI documents and from Angelina Joli's recounting herself, 172 00:09:00,654 --> 00:09:02,774 Speaker 2: So we kind of have two bits of evidence that 173 00:09:02,814 --> 00:09:05,574 Speaker 2: have told us the tale over time. But what initially 174 00:09:05,614 --> 00:09:08,774 Speaker 2: happened was that on September fourteen, twenty sixteen, the couple 175 00:09:08,814 --> 00:09:11,654 Speaker 2: were in the la physical altercation on their private plane 176 00:09:11,654 --> 00:09:14,574 Speaker 2: trip back from France to the US, and all six 177 00:09:14,614 --> 00:09:17,134 Speaker 2: of their children were on board. Because it had happened 178 00:09:17,174 --> 00:09:19,534 Speaker 2: on a plane. When law enforcement were called, the FBI 179 00:09:19,694 --> 00:09:22,534 Speaker 2: did come, which means that the incident was investigated by 180 00:09:22,734 --> 00:09:26,014 Speaker 2: both the FBI and the Los Angeles Department of Children 181 00:09:26,014 --> 00:09:29,494 Speaker 2: and Family Services. So in the years since, in twenty 182 00:09:29,534 --> 00:09:33,134 Speaker 2: twenty two, some heavily redacted FBI documents were released and 183 00:09:33,174 --> 00:09:36,534 Speaker 2: they included kind of Angelina's recounting of the events, and 184 00:09:36,654 --> 00:09:38,534 Speaker 2: we started to get a bit of a picture. And 185 00:09:38,574 --> 00:09:41,654 Speaker 2: then as part of the mirav Our French Winery lawsuit 186 00:09:41,694 --> 00:09:43,614 Speaker 2: that they still have going on, we also had a 187 00:09:43,694 --> 00:09:46,534 Speaker 2: version of her events released then. So what that has 188 00:09:46,574 --> 00:09:49,334 Speaker 2: told us is that allegedly there was a fight at 189 00:09:49,374 --> 00:09:52,494 Speaker 2: the airport between Brad and one of their children, which 190 00:09:52,574 --> 00:09:55,374 Speaker 2: is believed to be Maddix, their oldest child, and then 191 00:09:55,414 --> 00:09:57,494 Speaker 2: once on board, he is meant to have had a 192 00:09:57,534 --> 00:10:01,054 Speaker 2: fight with Angelina about her being too deferential to the children, 193 00:10:01,174 --> 00:10:04,014 Speaker 2: and he accused her of forcing a wedge between himself 194 00:10:04,054 --> 00:10:06,094 Speaker 2: and the kids. And it was obviously a long flight, 195 00:10:06,174 --> 00:10:09,534 Speaker 2: so we don't exactly know how things started to escalate, 196 00:10:09,974 --> 00:10:13,254 Speaker 2: but over time the cross complaint has revealed that he 197 00:10:13,294 --> 00:10:15,774 Speaker 2: pulled her into the bathroom and began yelling at her, 198 00:10:16,054 --> 00:10:18,494 Speaker 2: that he allegedly grabbed her by the head and shook her, 199 00:10:18,734 --> 00:10:22,294 Speaker 2: grabbed her shoulders, pushed her into the bathroom wall. Her 200 00:10:22,374 --> 00:10:24,774 Speaker 2: version says that he was also like punching the ceiling 201 00:10:24,814 --> 00:10:27,934 Speaker 2: of the plane, and according to a really in depth 202 00:10:27,974 --> 00:10:31,414 Speaker 2: investigation done by Vanity Fair, a source close to the Star, 203 00:10:31,654 --> 00:10:34,454 Speaker 2: Brad said that he was drinking and that the confrontation 204 00:10:34,534 --> 00:10:36,894 Speaker 2: had gotten out of hand and he was absolutely wrong 205 00:10:36,934 --> 00:10:39,854 Speaker 2: in how he behaved and apologized. So even from you know, 206 00:10:39,894 --> 00:10:42,374 Speaker 2: allegedly his own camp sources are saying that there was 207 00:10:42,454 --> 00:10:45,614 Speaker 2: maybe something that got out of hand. The complaint kind 208 00:10:45,614 --> 00:10:48,174 Speaker 2: of continues along and says that Pitt did pour alcohol 209 00:10:48,214 --> 00:10:50,574 Speaker 2: over Jolly in the children and cause damage to the 210 00:10:50,614 --> 00:10:53,174 Speaker 2: interior of the plane in the process, and that before 211 00:10:53,374 --> 00:10:55,254 Speaker 2: the whole thing was over, he had choked one of 212 00:10:55,254 --> 00:10:57,934 Speaker 2: the children, struck another child in the face, and that 213 00:10:58,014 --> 00:11:00,454 Speaker 2: some of the children had pleaded with him to stop. 214 00:11:00,894 --> 00:11:03,894 Speaker 2: According to Jolly, they were all frightened and crying. So 215 00:11:04,014 --> 00:11:06,934 Speaker 2: then when the plane landed in Burbank, Pitt allegedly refused 216 00:11:06,934 --> 00:11:09,254 Speaker 2: to let the family leave for twenty minutes. He said, 217 00:11:09,254 --> 00:11:12,014 Speaker 2: you're not taking my kids. According to the FBI report 218 00:11:12,414 --> 00:11:14,974 Speaker 2: and the FBI were waiting for them when they had landed. 219 00:11:15,014 --> 00:11:18,254 Speaker 2: The authorities had been alerted, though it's unknown who reported 220 00:11:18,294 --> 00:11:21,134 Speaker 2: the incident, and three days after the incident, Jolly filed 221 00:11:21,134 --> 00:11:24,654 Speaker 2: for divorce from Pitts, citing irreconcilable differences, and she listed 222 00:11:24,654 --> 00:11:27,334 Speaker 2: their date of separation as the day after the flight. 223 00:11:27,974 --> 00:11:32,534 Speaker 1: You've mentioned the winery situation there where this alleged incident 224 00:11:32,534 --> 00:11:34,334 Speaker 1: has been brought up again and we've just seen it 225 00:11:34,414 --> 00:11:37,014 Speaker 1: hit headlines once again, and we're talking, like, you know, 226 00:11:37,174 --> 00:11:41,374 Speaker 1: eight nearly nine years into this separation, they're still trying 227 00:11:41,374 --> 00:11:45,174 Speaker 1: to figure out how to get out of this winery together. 228 00:11:45,174 --> 00:11:48,094 Speaker 1: But can you step us through why this winery has 229 00:11:48,134 --> 00:11:50,654 Speaker 1: become such a big part of these divorce proceedings. 230 00:11:51,174 --> 00:11:54,294 Speaker 2: Yes, so there is a separate lawsuit to the actual 231 00:11:54,454 --> 00:11:57,494 Speaker 2: divorce proceedings and it's to do with Chateau Miraval. I 232 00:11:57,494 --> 00:11:59,854 Speaker 2: think a lot of Australians would recognize the bottle, even 233 00:11:59,894 --> 00:12:01,494 Speaker 2: if they don't think they've heard of it before. It's 234 00:12:01,494 --> 00:12:04,374 Speaker 2: a really popular rose here in Australia. The couple purchased 235 00:12:04,414 --> 00:12:07,694 Speaker 2: Chateau Mirravol in two thousand and eight. They used both 236 00:12:07,734 --> 00:12:10,254 Speaker 2: of their holding companies to buy the chateau. It was 237 00:12:10,254 --> 00:12:13,494 Speaker 2: where they were married. When they did split and started 238 00:12:13,494 --> 00:12:15,774 Speaker 2: going through divorce proceedings, it was obviously something they were 239 00:12:15,814 --> 00:12:18,814 Speaker 2: considering is that they owned this shared asset together. In 240 00:12:18,894 --> 00:12:23,174 Speaker 2: June twenty nineteen, Angelina emailed Brad and shared that she 241 00:12:23,254 --> 00:12:25,974 Speaker 2: wanted to sell her stake in the property. In court 242 00:12:26,014 --> 00:12:29,654 Speaker 2: documents later revealed we did see the email, and Jolly's 243 00:12:29,694 --> 00:12:32,054 Speaker 2: lawyers argued that she was shut out of the business 244 00:12:32,094 --> 00:12:34,574 Speaker 2: by Brad as they were going through the divorce proceedings, 245 00:12:34,574 --> 00:12:36,334 Speaker 2: and that she just no longer wanted to share it 246 00:12:36,374 --> 00:12:39,174 Speaker 2: with him. In the email, she wrote, I've tried to 247 00:12:39,174 --> 00:12:41,334 Speaker 2: stay open to the business and see it as something 248 00:12:41,374 --> 00:12:43,454 Speaker 2: that could be positive for our family, but I see 249 00:12:43,494 --> 00:12:45,734 Speaker 2: now that you have wanted me out and will most 250 00:12:45,814 --> 00:12:48,414 Speaker 2: likely be pleased to receive this email. In the email, 251 00:12:48,494 --> 00:12:50,214 Speaker 2: she said that she would accept from Brad like for 252 00:12:50,294 --> 00:12:52,414 Speaker 2: him to completely buy her out of her sharing the 253 00:12:52,454 --> 00:12:54,334 Speaker 2: property in business, or that she would just like to 254 00:12:54,374 --> 00:12:56,694 Speaker 2: sell the business together. She gave him a two week 255 00:12:56,734 --> 00:12:59,574 Speaker 2: deadline to decide, so in February twenty twenty one, he 256 00:12:59,614 --> 00:13:02,614 Speaker 2: agreed to pay her fifty four point five million dollars, 257 00:13:02,934 --> 00:13:05,014 Speaker 2: but around the same time as they were going through 258 00:13:05,054 --> 00:13:08,894 Speaker 2: their divorce proceedings, Jolie filed a sealed document offering to 259 00:13:08,974 --> 00:13:12,094 Speaker 2: prove her allegations of domestic violence as part of the 260 00:13:12,174 --> 00:13:15,574 Speaker 2: child custody proceeding, and what her lawyers have alleged is 261 00:13:15,614 --> 00:13:18,494 Speaker 2: that Pitt then asked her to sign in NDA in 262 00:13:18,614 --> 00:13:21,574 Speaker 2: order to complete the sale of their winery. So she 263 00:13:21,734 --> 00:13:24,934 Speaker 2: called it an unconscionable gag order, and a source close 264 00:13:24,974 --> 00:13:26,974 Speaker 2: to Pitt says that it was simply about miraval, it 265 00:13:27,014 --> 00:13:30,574 Speaker 2: wasn't about anything else. But as this argument continued, Pitt 266 00:13:30,614 --> 00:13:33,734 Speaker 2: declined to buy her stake in the winery. So then 267 00:13:33,814 --> 00:13:36,294 Speaker 2: in October of that same year, she chose to sell 268 00:13:36,454 --> 00:13:39,574 Speaker 2: her part of the business to Newt del Mondo for 269 00:13:39,654 --> 00:13:42,214 Speaker 2: sixty seven million dollars, so more than Pitt was going 270 00:13:42,254 --> 00:13:44,134 Speaker 2: to pay, and she was given the go ahead as 271 00:13:44,174 --> 00:13:46,294 Speaker 2: part of their divorce proceedings. There had been a rule 272 00:13:46,294 --> 00:13:48,774 Speaker 2: that she wasn't able to but she'd been legally approved 273 00:13:48,774 --> 00:13:51,654 Speaker 2: to sell, but she hadn't cleared it with Brad and 274 00:13:51,694 --> 00:13:54,734 Speaker 2: then so in February twenty twenty two, he filed a 275 00:13:54,814 --> 00:13:57,974 Speaker 2: lawsuit against her. So he filed a suit in California 276 00:13:58,094 --> 00:14:01,614 Speaker 2: to nullify the sale. In a separate suit filed in Luxembourg, 277 00:14:01,694 --> 00:14:05,134 Speaker 2: he claimed that ten percent of Miraval that was transferred 278 00:14:05,134 --> 00:14:07,854 Speaker 2: to Jolie in twenty thirteen shouldn't count because she'd never 279 00:14:07,894 --> 00:14:11,454 Speaker 2: paid the euro price. So he filed two suits, and 280 00:14:11,494 --> 00:14:14,014 Speaker 2: he claimed that she violated this agreement that they'd always 281 00:14:14,054 --> 00:14:16,894 Speaker 2: had that they would grant each other approval to sell 282 00:14:16,974 --> 00:14:19,534 Speaker 2: their stake in the company, which obviously she had tried 283 00:14:19,534 --> 00:14:21,734 Speaker 2: to do in twenty twenty one. It hadn't worked, so 284 00:14:21,814 --> 00:14:24,414 Speaker 2: then she sold it to somebody else, and so the 285 00:14:24,494 --> 00:14:27,054 Speaker 2: basis of his lawsuit is essentially that they had always 286 00:14:27,094 --> 00:14:30,214 Speaker 2: agreed to figure it out together. So in June twenty 287 00:14:30,254 --> 00:14:32,974 Speaker 2: twenty two, he alleged that she'd also damaged the company's 288 00:14:33,014 --> 00:14:36,094 Speaker 2: reputation by selling her shares to a stranger, which is 289 00:14:36,174 --> 00:14:38,614 Speaker 2: Yuri Scheffler, the owner of the group that bought her 290 00:14:38,654 --> 00:14:41,734 Speaker 2: half of Miravel. And he has definitely, well, his lawyers 291 00:14:41,734 --> 00:14:45,174 Speaker 2: have definitely painted this picture that it was vindictive or 292 00:14:45,174 --> 00:14:47,654 Speaker 2: that you know, it was secretive. So they kind of 293 00:14:47,694 --> 00:14:50,734 Speaker 2: said that it was knowingly violating Pitt's contractual rights, and 294 00:14:50,814 --> 00:14:53,254 Speaker 2: their filing said that she did it to inflict halm 295 00:14:53,294 --> 00:14:56,214 Speaker 2: on him. So In September twenty twenty two, she filed 296 00:14:56,214 --> 00:14:59,214 Speaker 2: a countersuit through her business, and she alleged that Pitt 297 00:14:59,254 --> 00:15:02,174 Speaker 2: was waging a vindictive war against her. She saw two 298 00:15:02,294 --> 00:15:04,734 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million in damages, saying that Pitt had 299 00:15:04,774 --> 00:15:07,974 Speaker 2: master minded a successful plan to seize control of Mirabel 300 00:15:08,094 --> 00:15:11,174 Speaker 2: after the couple's divorce. So it's kind of been from there, 301 00:15:11,174 --> 00:15:14,094 Speaker 2: this ongoing thing since September twenty twenty two. But the 302 00:15:14,134 --> 00:15:16,534 Speaker 2: reason that it's making headlines again is that lawyers on 303 00:15:16,574 --> 00:15:19,814 Speaker 2: both sides are having little victories in court regarding evidence, 304 00:15:20,014 --> 00:15:21,934 Speaker 2: and the trial is set for next year. So what 305 00:15:21,974 --> 00:15:24,734 Speaker 2: happened this week is that a judge ruled that Brad 306 00:15:24,774 --> 00:15:28,734 Speaker 2: has to disclose documents which Angelina's lawyers say are going 307 00:15:28,774 --> 00:15:32,774 Speaker 2: to prove communications concerning abuse, lies to authority, and years 308 00:15:32,814 --> 00:15:36,894 Speaker 2: of cover up. These include emails, texts, and written communications, 309 00:15:36,894 --> 00:15:39,854 Speaker 2: but nothing between him and his attorneys or therapists. The 310 00:15:39,934 --> 00:15:42,094 Speaker 2: Daily Mail claims to have seen copies of the documents, 311 00:15:42,134 --> 00:15:44,694 Speaker 2: which range from the date of the plane incident to 312 00:15:44,894 --> 00:15:48,694 Speaker 2: December thirty first, twenty eighteen. His team had motioned for 313 00:15:48,734 --> 00:15:50,774 Speaker 2: it to be denied. They said it was like wide ranging, 314 00:15:50,854 --> 00:15:54,894 Speaker 2: intrusive they called it a sensationalist fishing expedition. But look, 315 00:15:55,014 --> 00:15:57,974 Speaker 2: the lawyers for Jolie have obviously won in this case 316 00:15:57,974 --> 00:16:00,694 Speaker 2: for that evidence to be presented, and following the day 317 00:16:00,694 --> 00:16:03,254 Speaker 2: in court, they said that Angelina never wanted any of this, 318 00:16:03,454 --> 00:16:05,654 Speaker 2: She wasn't the one to press charges. She had left 319 00:16:05,894 --> 00:16:08,494 Speaker 2: their properties, she tried to sell them the business. And 320 00:16:09,054 --> 00:16:11,174 Speaker 2: you know, the really powerful quote that's come through is 321 00:16:11,174 --> 00:16:13,054 Speaker 2: that they've said, to this day, mister Pitt has never 322 00:16:13,094 --> 00:16:15,414 Speaker 2: been held accountable for his actions and has at all 323 00:16:15,414 --> 00:16:18,094 Speaker 2: times controlled Miravell and the winery, and yet he still 324 00:16:18,134 --> 00:16:20,654 Speaker 2: demands more. She wants this to end, the children want 325 00:16:20,734 --> 00:16:22,974 Speaker 2: this to end, and he should focus on healing their family, 326 00:16:23,254 --> 00:16:25,774 Speaker 2: not pursuing lawsuits. So it's kind of come out as 327 00:16:25,774 --> 00:16:29,654 Speaker 2: this quite big victory for Angelina in the trial so far, 328 00:16:29,894 --> 00:16:30,934 Speaker 2: but it's not over yet. 329 00:16:31,494 --> 00:16:33,654 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the kids, because we have seen quite 330 00:16:33,694 --> 00:16:36,814 Speaker 1: a bit from them as they've gotten older, and little 331 00:16:36,814 --> 00:16:39,734 Speaker 1: glimpses into what their relationship is like with Brad Pitt. 332 00:16:40,414 --> 00:16:42,614 Speaker 1: First of all, can we just talk about where we 333 00:16:42,654 --> 00:16:45,694 Speaker 1: are currently, like how custody sits at the moment, because 334 00:16:45,734 --> 00:16:48,894 Speaker 1: I understand that that is still something that's being argued 335 00:16:48,974 --> 00:16:51,134 Speaker 1: about at this point in time, and the older kids 336 00:16:51,174 --> 00:16:54,134 Speaker 1: are now making decisions for themselves because they're legally adults, right. 337 00:16:54,454 --> 00:16:57,494 Speaker 2: Yes, So, the only two kids who are still kind 338 00:16:57,494 --> 00:17:00,854 Speaker 2: of having contact by law with Pitt A Vivianna Knox, 339 00:17:00,894 --> 00:17:03,174 Speaker 2: the youngest twins because they're not over the age of 340 00:17:03,174 --> 00:17:06,734 Speaker 2: eighteen yet. According to People magazine, he has visitation rights 341 00:17:06,734 --> 00:17:09,094 Speaker 2: with them, but his engagement with the younger kids is 342 00:17:09,134 --> 00:17:11,854 Speaker 2: a little bit more limited in recent months because he's been, 343 00:17:11,974 --> 00:17:14,494 Speaker 2: you know, filming his f one movie and that Angelina 344 00:17:14,534 --> 00:17:16,854 Speaker 2: does have the kids most of the time, but with 345 00:17:16,934 --> 00:17:21,294 Speaker 2: their agreement, he has the right to visit Vivianna Knox. However, obviously, 346 00:17:21,334 --> 00:17:23,334 Speaker 2: throughout the eight year legal battle, the rest of the 347 00:17:23,374 --> 00:17:27,854 Speaker 2: children have become adults, and so they've made their feelings known, 348 00:17:27,974 --> 00:17:32,374 Speaker 2: especially the two older girls in recent years. Shiloh made 349 00:17:32,414 --> 00:17:35,454 Speaker 2: headlines this year because she did file to drop Pitt 350 00:17:35,454 --> 00:17:39,094 Speaker 2: from her surname through formal legal proceedings in California. Her 351 00:17:39,094 --> 00:17:41,974 Speaker 2: older sister, Zahara, also cut Pit from her surname. We 352 00:17:42,054 --> 00:17:44,934 Speaker 2: don't know exactly the details there, but she did introduce 353 00:17:44,934 --> 00:17:48,414 Speaker 2: herself without his surname when she was doing a performance 354 00:17:48,414 --> 00:17:51,694 Speaker 2: at her college. And even Vivienne, who's only sixteen and 355 00:17:51,974 --> 00:17:54,574 Speaker 2: you know, technically still a minor and has visitation rights 356 00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:57,134 Speaker 2: with Pitt, she recently chose not to use his surname 357 00:17:57,174 --> 00:17:59,774 Speaker 2: on a playbill for her musical. So they've kind of 358 00:17:59,814 --> 00:18:03,134 Speaker 2: made their feelings known in that regard. Whereas you know, 359 00:18:03,254 --> 00:18:06,374 Speaker 2: Pax himself one of the older brothers, he has been 360 00:18:06,414 --> 00:18:08,334 Speaker 2: a little bit more vocal, and in twenty twenty he 361 00:18:08,374 --> 00:18:11,614 Speaker 2: shared a Father's Day tribute to Brad Pitt in which 362 00:18:11,614 --> 00:18:14,174 Speaker 2: he called him an awful human being and he declared that, 363 00:18:14,214 --> 00:18:16,454 Speaker 2: you know, he'd made the lives of his family and 364 00:18:16,494 --> 00:18:19,414 Speaker 2: his younger siblings, you know, a constant hell. So he's 365 00:18:19,414 --> 00:18:22,374 Speaker 2: been pretty vocal as well. And likewise, Maddox doesn't have 366 00:18:22,454 --> 00:18:23,734 Speaker 2: a relationship with Pitt either. 367 00:18:24,134 --> 00:18:26,894 Speaker 1: Can you explain to me how in twenty nineteen, a 368 00:18:27,014 --> 00:18:31,174 Speaker 1: judge ruled that Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt were legally 369 00:18:31,254 --> 00:18:35,094 Speaker 1: single and yet the divorce is still not technically finalized. 370 00:18:35,294 --> 00:18:36,094 Speaker 1: What is happening? 371 00:18:36,574 --> 00:18:39,454 Speaker 2: So, because obviously the divorce proceedings have been going for 372 00:18:39,494 --> 00:18:41,894 Speaker 2: so long, and by twenty nineteen, we were still kind 373 00:18:41,894 --> 00:18:44,974 Speaker 2: of going into one custody agreement going into another. It 374 00:18:45,094 --> 00:18:47,134 Speaker 2: just means that they can have relationships with other people, 375 00:18:47,214 --> 00:18:50,374 Speaker 2: they can even marry someone else, but they're not divorced, 376 00:18:50,414 --> 00:18:52,374 Speaker 2: so that it means they haven't split the assets, they 377 00:18:52,374 --> 00:18:55,814 Speaker 2: haven't split the custody, they haven't figured out the technical 378 00:18:55,854 --> 00:18:58,294 Speaker 2: side of being single, but they are legally single and 379 00:18:58,534 --> 00:19:01,014 Speaker 2: able to go and date and marry whoever they would like. 380 00:19:01,534 --> 00:19:04,094 Speaker 1: There are so many accusations being flung at both sides 381 00:19:04,454 --> 00:19:08,214 Speaker 1: during these divorce proceedings. We hear Brad constantly say that 382 00:19:08,254 --> 00:19:11,214 Speaker 1: Angelina Joli is turning kids against him, and from an 383 00:19:11,254 --> 00:19:14,574 Speaker 1: outsider's perspective, it certainly seems that way, because the kids 384 00:19:14,614 --> 00:19:16,854 Speaker 1: definitely do not have a close relationship with their father 385 00:19:16,934 --> 00:19:20,854 Speaker 1: unless they're legally supposed to. But then there's accusations against 386 00:19:20,854 --> 00:19:24,174 Speaker 1: Brad Pitt that he's controlling and abusive and an alcoholic, 387 00:19:24,294 --> 00:19:26,494 Speaker 1: and we can see that backed up as well, not 388 00:19:26,694 --> 00:19:29,014 Speaker 1: just from you know, the kids who are now adults 389 00:19:29,054 --> 00:19:31,814 Speaker 1: telling stories about this, but also he himself has come 390 00:19:31,814 --> 00:19:34,654 Speaker 1: out in interviews and said that, yes, he modeled himself 391 00:19:34,654 --> 00:19:37,734 Speaker 1: on his own father, who was this very controlling man, 392 00:19:37,814 --> 00:19:40,014 Speaker 1: who was, you know, not even a human in his eyes. 393 00:19:40,054 --> 00:19:43,694 Speaker 1: He was just the authoritarian figure, and so like, seems 394 00:19:43,694 --> 00:19:45,534 Speaker 1: to be little truths in all of these things, but 395 00:19:45,574 --> 00:19:49,774 Speaker 1: also it does seem like a little bit is exaggerated. 396 00:19:49,774 --> 00:19:51,494 Speaker 1: Do you think we'll ever really get to the bottom 397 00:19:51,534 --> 00:19:53,014 Speaker 1: of what is truth in this situation? 398 00:19:53,534 --> 00:19:56,494 Speaker 2: I think as part of this merival ongoing court case, 399 00:19:56,534 --> 00:20:00,054 Speaker 2: we are going to learn a bit more from Brad's side, 400 00:20:00,094 --> 00:20:02,374 Speaker 2: obviously through the documents that he is now ordered to 401 00:20:02,414 --> 00:20:06,214 Speaker 2: share with the court. I'm sure Angelina Jolie's lawyers have 402 00:20:06,414 --> 00:20:09,574 Speaker 2: a reason for wanting to make these public. A I 403 00:20:09,614 --> 00:20:12,374 Speaker 2: think is the kids get older, they're clearly making their 404 00:20:12,414 --> 00:20:15,894 Speaker 2: feelings known. Whether that means they might speak out in future, 405 00:20:16,134 --> 00:20:19,654 Speaker 2: there's a possibility of that, but from what we've learned 406 00:20:19,694 --> 00:20:23,054 Speaker 2: from court, you know, recently, the documents alleged that while 407 00:20:23,174 --> 00:20:25,814 Speaker 2: his history of physical abuse of Jolly, they claimed that 408 00:20:25,894 --> 00:20:28,574 Speaker 2: it started well before the plane trip from France to 409 00:20:28,694 --> 00:20:31,334 Speaker 2: la but that the flight was the first time that happened, 410 00:20:31,374 --> 00:20:33,374 Speaker 2: you know, where he had attacked the children as well. 411 00:20:33,814 --> 00:20:36,094 Speaker 2: So that's kind of what her side has claimed, and 412 00:20:36,134 --> 00:20:39,094 Speaker 2: his side has obviously claimed that this is vindictive or 413 00:20:39,134 --> 00:20:41,854 Speaker 2: that there's this idea of her having yeah turned the 414 00:20:41,894 --> 00:20:44,894 Speaker 2: kids against Brad However, the kids are adults now, they're 415 00:20:44,894 --> 00:20:47,374 Speaker 2: not kids anymore, and they're making their feelings known. And 416 00:20:47,414 --> 00:20:51,054 Speaker 2: it's not the first time either. In December twenty twenty, 417 00:20:51,294 --> 00:20:53,414 Speaker 2: three of the children wanted to testify in court on 418 00:20:53,454 --> 00:20:56,614 Speaker 2: behalf of Angelina in the custody battle. They were legally 419 00:20:56,694 --> 00:20:58,894 Speaker 2: of age where they were able to testify, but the 420 00:20:58,934 --> 00:21:01,294 Speaker 2: request was denied. So it's not the first time that 421 00:21:01,534 --> 00:21:03,934 Speaker 2: all six of these children, or some of the six 422 00:21:03,974 --> 00:21:06,494 Speaker 2: of these children have wanted to make their feelings known 423 00:21:06,574 --> 00:21:08,974 Speaker 2: about their dad. And I guess the reality is that 424 00:21:09,254 --> 00:21:12,774 Speaker 2: they were there, we were not, and so this idea 425 00:21:12,814 --> 00:21:16,294 Speaker 2: that she has just turned them against him is probably 426 00:21:16,334 --> 00:21:18,734 Speaker 2: a dangerous narrative that people are clinging to. 427 00:21:19,574 --> 00:21:23,454 Speaker 1: Just finally, if there is ever an example of fairy 428 00:21:23,454 --> 00:21:26,894 Speaker 1: tales don't exist, this probably should be the thing we 429 00:21:26,974 --> 00:21:28,934 Speaker 1: look to, right because do you remember back at the 430 00:21:28,974 --> 00:21:31,614 Speaker 1: beginning when these two got together, and we thought, this 431 00:21:32,014 --> 00:21:34,414 Speaker 1: is what fairy tales are made of. He is pretty, 432 00:21:34,534 --> 00:21:37,774 Speaker 1: she is pretty. They live a charmed, wonderful life in Hollywood. 433 00:21:38,134 --> 00:21:41,734 Speaker 1: We thought that this was all of the planets aligning. 434 00:21:41,774 --> 00:21:45,294 Speaker 1: I guess there is really a message that everything can 435 00:21:45,334 --> 00:21:47,334 Speaker 1: look great from the outside and not be great on 436 00:21:47,374 --> 00:21:48,014 Speaker 1: the inside. 437 00:21:48,374 --> 00:21:51,494 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think, you know, Vanity fairs really in 438 00:21:51,574 --> 00:21:54,894 Speaker 2: depth discovery of miraval kind of paints this picture that 439 00:21:54,934 --> 00:21:57,494 Speaker 2: things were not good at the chateau when the family 440 00:21:57,534 --> 00:22:00,414 Speaker 2: were there together in the years leading up to this divorce. 441 00:22:00,494 --> 00:22:02,974 Speaker 2: But yet when they first split, I remember the shock. 442 00:22:03,014 --> 00:22:06,454 Speaker 2: I remember that everyone was surprised that this beautiful Hollywood 443 00:22:06,454 --> 00:22:08,134 Speaker 2: couple who, like you said, you know, people were like 444 00:22:08,214 --> 00:22:10,814 Speaker 2: this fairy tale ending look all of their beautiful children 445 00:22:10,814 --> 00:22:14,494 Speaker 2: and their happy family and the stunning wedding at the chateau. Finally, 446 00:22:14,854 --> 00:22:16,774 Speaker 2: for two years later for it to come crumbling down 447 00:22:16,774 --> 00:22:19,414 Speaker 2: and really caught people by surprise. But it turns out 448 00:22:19,454 --> 00:22:22,214 Speaker 2: that behind the scenes things were not going well. So 449 00:22:22,294 --> 00:22:24,174 Speaker 2: I think it does show that we can't really look 450 00:22:24,214 --> 00:22:27,734 Speaker 2: at these Hollywood stories as you know, these inspirational tales. 451 00:22:29,094 --> 00:22:30,814 Speaker 1: Thanks for taking the time to feed your mind with 452 00:22:30,894 --> 00:22:33,654 Speaker 1: us today. The quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy 453 00:22:33,654 --> 00:22:36,854 Speaker 1: and our executive producer, Taylor Strano, with audio production by 454 00:22:36,934 --> 00:22:37,654 Speaker 1: Tiegan Sadler.