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Speaker 1: to Mama Mia out loud. It's what women are actually

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Speaker 1: talking about. Monday, the fourteenth of April. My name is

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Speaker 1: Holly Waynwright and today I am joined by two very

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Speaker 1: exciting guests. Would you like to introduce yourselves? Friends?

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Speaker 2: Hello, I am m Vernham. I host our daily entertainment

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Speaker 2: podcast A Spill, and I'm sitting in for me today.

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Speaker 1: We have missed you and vern and welcome back.

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Speaker 3: I missed your voice on the show.

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Speaker 4: I sound like Jesse Stephens, but I am Claire Stephens

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Speaker 4: because Jesse's away clawed my way back in nobody. Nobody

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Speaker 4: invited me. I just banged on the door.

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Speaker 1: Og out loud as no that you are no stranger.

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Speaker 1: No to these microphones. You actually filled in for Jesse

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Speaker 1: Stevens when she was on Mattley. I did, I did stretch. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you missed us.

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Speaker 4: I really have guys, and I listen to every episode

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Speaker 4: and I yell Friday's episode, Friday's episode about diagnosis.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there was some yelling, mostly Jesse. Anyway, I likes yell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't yell at me anyway. You can yell on

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Speaker 1: Mike Today on the show, an aging gen X bad

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Speaker 1: boy and a queer twenty one year old multimillionairess have

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Speaker 1: been locked in a house together and filmed for our entertainment?

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Speaker 1: What could possibly have gone wrong? Also, Elon Musk is

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Speaker 1: crawling office messages for signs of disloyalty. What would your

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Speaker 1: boss find if they did the same, And what did

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Speaker 1: the top five percent of relationships have in common? And

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Speaker 1: why is it horrifying to our Emily Vernon? But first,

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Speaker 1: in case he missed it. Amy Leu Woods, who we

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Speaker 1: know as Chelsea from season three of The White Lotus.

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Speaker 1: She posted an Instagram story last night that said she

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Speaker 1: found an SNL skit about her character mean and annoying.

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Speaker 1: So the skit on.

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Speaker 2: SNL was called the White Potus and it was replacing

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Speaker 2: the White LOADUS season three characters with US political figures.

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Speaker 2: The only character that remained the same was Chelsea, played

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Speaker 2: by comedian Sarah Sherman. So Amy Lous Woods said that

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Speaker 2: the SNL skit was punching up on everyone else's portrayed

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Speaker 2: in the skit besides Chelsea, where they leaned into taking

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Speaker 2: digs at her teeth. These insane ideas like what if

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Speaker 2: we took all the flouride out of the drinking water

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Speaker 2: to people's teeth?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 4: What's that?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Look?

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Speaker 1: Oki killed an e No, not the bulky.

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Speaker 2: After this, there was so much backlash from her fans,

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Speaker 2: and SNL apologized to her. However, her co star Walton Goggins,

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Speaker 2: coasty literally said this was really mean, and then he

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Speaker 1: Can we put a pin in? Walton for a second,

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Speaker 1: because I know you've got some scrollers gossip we do,

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Speaker 1: we do. I obviously I love Amy Lou and I

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Speaker 1: I totally get that. But isn't that what SNL does. Like,

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Speaker 4: big humor that I don't really reckon. Yes, but there

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Speaker 3: They're gonna get it wrong.

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Speaker 4: Like they are delivering so much content, they are making

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Speaker 1: It is interesting though that, as you've both said, like

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Speaker 1: go to Amy Lou and inverted Comma's teeth. It was

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Speaker 1: a cheap shot. But back to Walton, I just you know,

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Speaker 1: to him, why was it so shocking that he liked

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Speaker 1: that post. Okay might think you have some gossip for us.

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Speaker 1: I do have some gossip. I talked about this on

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Speaker 1: the spill and I whispered it. So no, I couldn't

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Speaker 1: get in trouble because it is gossip. B But there

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Speaker 1: which I feel like happens every single season.

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Speaker 4: Because what happened was they were following each other and

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Speaker 4: he was posting and tagging her, and then all of

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Speaker 4: just seem like, do I know their rumors?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Is it gossip? Yes?

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Speaker 4: Do I absolutely believe it? And so when he shared that,

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Speaker 1: But also I don't want to be stereotypical, but he's

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Speaker 1: older people don't get that if you press like it

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Speaker 1: it hurt my feelings and I'm insecure about my teeth

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Speaker 1: hadn't seen that yet. I want to defend Amy Lou

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Speaker 1: because this is scoreless gossip and it drags her into it.

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Speaker 1: Appearing to have an affair with a married man. Maybe

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Speaker 2: Well, he definitely didn't see her posting it because he

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Speaker 2: he now he's just like overly gushy about his wife.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay. And Jason Isaacs also had a little

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Speaker 4: it sound like some stuff went down.

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Speaker 1: He's just a bit messy. My friend, he lock a

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Speaker 1: searing heat. Shit's gonna happen, and they're all really good looking.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're gonna hook up with each other. I think

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Speaker 4: I would have hooked up with Patrick's sportsmaker.

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Speaker 1: Soft spot, definitely Patrick.

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Speaker 4: Over the weekend, you may have seen several headlines about

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Speaker 4: a series of comments made by Mickey Rourke towards Jojo

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Speaker 4: Seawat on Celebrity Big Brother UK. Now, depending on your age,

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Speaker 4: you might not know a what a Mickey Rourke is, well.

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Speaker 2: B what a Jojo Seaway exactly.

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Speaker 1: So first let me explain it a very specific set

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Speaker 4: You either know one or the other you cannot know.

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Speaker 1: Well, actually I do know both of both, but that's

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Speaker 1: because I lived through Mickey Rourke's hot years and I

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Speaker 1: had a daughter at the exact same time that the

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Speaker 1: Jojo bows went nuts. You're like a union, so I

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Speaker 1: am like, I'm in a particular like crossover subset. But

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, clust even.

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Speaker 3: I love Jojo.

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Speaker 4: I know everything about Jojo. I do not like Micky,

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Speaker 4: never seen him for him mile, But Mickey Rawle.

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Speaker 1: He used to be a thing, but not for a

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Speaker 4: He's a seventy two year old American actor and former

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Speaker 3: Holly you said he used to be hot, so I

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Speaker 3: googled him. You can confirm.

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Speaker 4: He starred in The Wrestler alongside Evan Rachel would and

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Speaker 3: So he's like, he's an actor actor.

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Speaker 1: He used to be like way back in the eighties

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Speaker 1: and things. He was like one of those, like a

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Speaker 1: to be a massive deal, and then he went off

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Speaker 1: The Wrestler was a comeback, but then he went off

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Speaker 2: Kind of like Celestera Saloone. That's what I feel like

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Speaker 2: he should have been.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but in the first instance, he was a bit

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Speaker 1: more serious and cool. Anyway, let's just say it's been

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think maybe his appearance on Celebrity Big

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Speaker 4: Brother shows why. Jojo Siwah is a twenty one year

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Speaker 4: old singer and dancer who appeared on Dance Mums as

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Speaker 4: television and music creer. One of the last times I

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Speaker 4: was on this show, she had just released Karma and

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Speaker 4: was proclaiming herself to have started a new genre of

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Speaker 4: music called gay pop.

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Speaker 3: It was a wonderful dime.

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Speaker 4: But they're both on Celebrity Big Brother UK which just started,

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Speaker 4: and in one of the first episodes of the series,

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Speaker 4: here's what happened.

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Speaker 2: Like girls, boys me girls.

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Speaker 1: I know, I can tell my partner is non binary. Hey,

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Speaker 1: if you won't be gay anymore, I can guarantee I

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Speaker 1: will still be gay and I was still be in

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Speaker 1: a very happy relationship. I'll tie you up, don't prise

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Speaker 1: do that won't happen. I dare you to try.

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Speaker 2: You'll be the one tied up.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to vote the lesbian out real quick.

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Speaker 2: That's so, that's on a war be if that was the.

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Speaker 1: Lesbian, I'm going to vote.

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Speaker 2: Can't say that, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Jojo lovely lovely girl. Yeah, I'll talk at deal.

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Speaker 4: You can't say that, Mickey.

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Speaker 1: And robots don't get bored, No, they don't.

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Speaker 4: And at first when I saw this, part of my

435
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Speaker 4: instinct was like, oh well, And then when I actually

436
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Speaker 4: did more and more reading, I realized how scary this

437
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Speaker 4: is in the context of Elon Musk and Bloody Doge.

438
00:21:00,861 --> 00:21:05,222
Speaker 4: The problem is that if they're looking only for loyalists,

439
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Speaker 4: if they're looking only for people who are going to

440
00:21:07,262 --> 00:21:11,981
Speaker 4: be loyal to Trump, say, the problem with Trump is

441
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Speaker 4: that he breaks the rules, and he will be looking

442
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Speaker 4: for people who are going to turn a blind eye

443
00:21:18,542 --> 00:21:23,942
Speaker 4: to corruption and to breaking the law and to questioning

444
00:21:23,982 --> 00:21:27,621
Speaker 4: elections Like this is actually really scary, And I didn't

445
00:21:27,661 --> 00:21:32,382
Speaker 4: realize that Doge has operated in secrecy since its formation.

446
00:21:32,661 --> 00:21:38,542
Speaker 4: It's got around all the kind of usual stop gaps

447
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Speaker 4: and all the usual security laws.

448
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Speaker 1: Because it's a made up thing exactly, so it doesn't

449
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Speaker 1: have to abide by any guardrails because there aren't any

450
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Speaker 1: because it's not a real thing.

451
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Speaker 4: So the people saying I'm turning my phone off because

452
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Speaker 4: I'm scared of being traced or listened to or whatever,

453
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Speaker 4: they're not being paranoid because we have absolutely no way

454
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Speaker 4: of knowing what they're actually doing. They're kind of bypassing

455
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Speaker 4: all the government systems. And I kept saying this thing

456
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Speaker 4: about Google Docs, that they're working in Google Docs, and

457
00:22:08,141 --> 00:22:09,861
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, everyone works in Google Doc. We

458
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Speaker 4: do for this podcast. But the difference is with government

459
00:22:14,422 --> 00:22:17,542
Speaker 4: decisions and things this heavy, you need like a paper trail,

460
00:22:18,222 --> 00:22:20,462
Speaker 4: and they're removing the paper trail and it's all just

461
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Speaker 4: happening in a Google Doc where you can't kind of

462
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Speaker 4: see what they've put in, or where the changes have

463
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Speaker 4: come from, or what people's input is.

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Speaker 3: It's really really scary.

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Speaker 4: And then the last thing is that people are saying

466
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Speaker 4: that Musk, because again this is not a real thing.

467
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Speaker 4: He might be using his AI bot in government systems

468
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Speaker 4: to harvest data that can then be used to give

469
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Speaker 4: his companies a commercial advantage.

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Speaker 3: It's really scary.

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Speaker 1: And often people are surprised to find out that the

472
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Speaker 1: things they say at work aren't really private. Are you

473
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Speaker 1: mortified at the idea of people reading what you're saying

474
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Speaker 1: at work?

475
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say mortified. I would say I'm more angry

476
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Speaker 2: because I feel like talking shit on office comms should

477
00:23:07,782 --> 00:23:10,302
Speaker 2: be something that everyone's allowed to do. It should be

478
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Speaker 2: a human right because it has nothing to do with

479
00:23:12,222 --> 00:23:14,941
Speaker 2: the workplace. It's about your lifestyle, and it actually filters

480
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Speaker 2: into your personal life because this is how friends are made.

481
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Speaker 2: So talking shit on office comms is actually the gateway

482
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Speaker 2: to make a coworker into a friend. You can't straight

483
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Speaker 2: away like text a coworker or email a coworker privately

484
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Speaker 2: talking shit about the work because that's too much. You

485
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Speaker 2: sound so serious, you sound like you're obsessed with your

486
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Speaker 2: job too much. It needs to be like a slow

487
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Speaker 2: transition where you're like, on slack, that was weird, Like

488
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Speaker 2: when she said that to me, I was weird. And

489
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Speaker 2: then that person agrees and you're like, Okay, we're on

490
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Speaker 2: our way to make sign it's a sign. So you

491
00:23:45,742 --> 00:23:48,901
Speaker 2: need that gateway and then once your friends, then you

492
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Speaker 2: move it to private. But give us our gateway.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

494
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Speaker 4: That is so true because you don't have the person's

495
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Speaker 4: number to text them the bitch, and you can only

496
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Speaker 4: do it over work comms.

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Speaker 3: And that is so true.

498
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Speaker 4: The way people bond is over like the dynamics of workplace,

499
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Speaker 4: I e. Severance, the only way anyone got along was like,

500
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Speaker 4: actually this place.

501
00:24:10,341 --> 00:24:10,861
Speaker 3: Exactly.

502
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Speaker 1: This is true, but in the absence of me, I

503
00:24:13,621 --> 00:24:15,422
Speaker 1: have to put my boss pants on. I'm not really

504
00:24:15,422 --> 00:24:17,421
Speaker 1: a boss anymore, but I was for a lot of years.

505
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Speaker 2: You're both my bosses.

506
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have both been your boss at different points

507
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Speaker 1: in this Luckily, I'm about to go into a word

508
00:24:26,182 --> 00:24:30,622
Speaker 1: set like said about hollyway right, But anyway, the thing

509
00:24:30,702 --> 00:24:33,061
Speaker 1: is with my boss pants on. Why am I paying

510
00:24:33,101 --> 00:24:34,821
Speaker 1: you to waste your time bitching about me?

511
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Speaker 3: I have a point.

512
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Speaker 4: I have a point, and I have it for Elon

513
00:24:38,061 --> 00:24:42,901
Speaker 4: as well. People's views change, So if you're doing a

514
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Speaker 4: search and you're seeing the time I bitched about Holly,

515
00:24:45,982 --> 00:24:47,702
Speaker 4: I might not feel that way anymore.

516
00:24:47,901 --> 00:24:49,422
Speaker 3: I just felt like that in a moment.

517
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Speaker 1: So I present them to you. And I said, do

518
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Speaker 1: you stand by this st.

519
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Speaker 4: I say no? Or do I You'll never know, but

520
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Speaker 4: it might have evolved.

521
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Speaker 1: Apparently a lot of corporate places now have this kind

522
00:25:01,621 --> 00:25:04,861
Speaker 1: of not as hardcore as Elon's in that way, but

523
00:25:05,302 --> 00:25:08,941
Speaker 1: because there's so much into office messaging now with slack

524
00:25:09,022 --> 00:25:11,462
Speaker 1: and teams and all those things, and there is so

525
00:25:11,581 --> 00:25:13,621
Speaker 1: much time wasting that can be done on them, let's

526
00:25:13,661 --> 00:25:16,461
Speaker 1: be honest that a lot of places are bringing in

527
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Speaker 1: these corporate rules that say we are allowed to access

528
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Speaker 1: your messages at any time. We heard a story in

529
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Speaker 1: our meeting today when we were talking about incidences of this.

530
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Speaker 1: We'd heard of where four people were dragged into their

531
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Speaker 1: bosses office at a big corporate company and confronted with

532
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Speaker 1: the words that they'd said on the interoffice messaging that

533
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Speaker 1: may or may not have involved calling their boss. A

534
00:25:40,621 --> 00:25:43,542
Speaker 1: said these quiet shocking things about their boss. And imagine

535
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Speaker 1: sitting in a HR meeting and having that shown to

536
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Speaker 1: you it had been highlighted in yellow pen. Is that okay? Yet? Really?

537
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Speaker 2: I think the printing out, let's not waste paper over here.

538
00:25:52,462 --> 00:25:54,821
Speaker 2: I think that's a bit too.

539
00:25:54,982 --> 00:25:58,262
Speaker 4: That bloody Elon is all about, you know, wasting time

540
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Speaker 4: and resources, and I would say the meeting is a

541
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Speaker 4: waste of time. The highlight is a waste of time,

542
00:26:03,742 --> 00:26:05,862
Speaker 4: the line detector is a waste of time. Elon, You're

543
00:26:05,901 --> 00:26:11,702
Speaker 4: not being very efficient. Feedback is a gift from both

544
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Speaker 4: the perspective of the giver as well as the recipient.

545
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Speaker 1: If you've had your phone in your hand at all

546
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Speaker 1: this weekend, then you all know that Coachella was on.

547
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Speaker 1: That big music festival in the California desert that seems

548
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Speaker 1: to go on forever, but actually it's two whole weekends, right,

549
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Speaker 1: Every single famous person in the universe goes to Coachella,

550
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Speaker 1: don't they. It's like in the diary Apparently this weekend

551
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Speaker 1: Lady Gaga was career defining amazing.

552
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Speaker 2: Oh did you see the videos?

553
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Speaker 1: I did? She is I just can't bow down.

554
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Speaker 3: She's coming to Australia, is she?

555
00:26:44,022 --> 00:26:44,222
Speaker 2: Yeah?

556
00:26:44,621 --> 00:26:46,661
Speaker 3: Yeah, She's coming to Australia. That made me more excited

557
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Speaker 3: to watch the video.

558
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Speaker 1: Patrick Schwarzenegger was dancing to his White Loaders Coastars, Lisa

559
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Speaker 1: Sett looking exactly like Saxon on a bender and all

560
00:26:55,141 --> 00:26:59,181
Speaker 1: of that's ace. But I have some feedback for Coachella,

561
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Speaker 1: specifically about the fashion. It's long been known as the

562
00:27:03,702 --> 00:27:06,181
Speaker 1: influencer Olympics. Right, Lots of brands from all over the

563
00:27:06,222 --> 00:27:09,101
Speaker 1: world fly their faces over there to make a lot

564
00:27:09,141 --> 00:27:11,861
Speaker 1: of content. And over that weekend there's activations everywhere, which

565
00:27:11,901 --> 00:27:13,821
Speaker 1: is the term for like over here, here's the vodka

566
00:27:13,861 --> 00:27:17,181
Speaker 1: stand over here, here's a life insurance Stan I guaranteeing

567
00:27:17,182 --> 00:27:20,022
Speaker 1: yourself against whatever terrible life mistakes you're about to make

568
00:27:20,061 --> 00:27:20,582
Speaker 1: this weekend.

569
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Speaker 2: I love how these are the activations.

570
00:27:22,141 --> 00:27:27,102
Speaker 1: You give me the vodka and then let me ensure myself.

571
00:27:27,742 --> 00:27:29,621
Speaker 1: Being seemed to be there is every bit is important

572
00:27:29,621 --> 00:27:32,941
Speaker 1: as being there. But there is no clearer illustration of

573
00:27:32,982 --> 00:27:35,661
Speaker 1: the difference between Britain and America than the difference between

574
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Speaker 1: Glastonbury and Coachella. Right, case in point, Beck Jodd. Now

575
00:27:40,302 --> 00:27:42,422
Speaker 1: I'm not dissing Beck Jodd, Right, I know Beg Judd

576
00:27:42,422 --> 00:27:44,141
Speaker 1: a little bit. I've worked with her before. She's lovely,

577
00:27:44,182 --> 00:27:48,302
Speaker 1: she's ace, but she goes to Coachella like it is

578
00:27:48,302 --> 00:27:51,341
Speaker 1: the met Garla. She get hard every year and what

579
00:27:51,542 --> 00:27:54,381
Speaker 1: particularly sort of it didn't make me puffer fish. I

580
00:27:54,422 --> 00:27:57,341
Speaker 1: wasn't angry. I was just like, whoa is this year's

581
00:27:57,381 --> 00:28:00,101
Speaker 1: theme dressing? So on the second night, she and all

582
00:28:00,182 --> 00:28:02,901
Speaker 1: her girl pals had to wear white, and there are

583
00:28:02,942 --> 00:28:06,461
Speaker 1: these pictures of them in these immaculate white outfits that

584
00:28:06,542 --> 00:28:09,222
Speaker 1: seem impractical when you are in a desert, no offense,

585
00:28:09,422 --> 00:28:13,221
Speaker 1: you gonna get dirt. Yep, everything's mature. We've had glam

586
00:28:13,222 --> 00:28:15,462
Speaker 1: squads since four am, which is the time you should

587
00:28:15,462 --> 00:28:17,742
Speaker 1: be going to bed at a music festival, not getting

588
00:28:17,821 --> 00:28:20,501
Speaker 1: up for the lipstick. And I'm just like, is this

589
00:28:20,661 --> 00:28:23,262
Speaker 1: the most hard work music festival of all time?

590
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Speaker 2: I feel like it's changed. So I saw beg Jud's

591
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Speaker 2: photos and I firstly thought it was a bachelorette party,

592
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Speaker 2: because isn't that what you dress on theme for? Only

593
00:28:31,502 --> 00:28:33,542
Speaker 2: then I know where you dress on theme. But I

594
00:28:33,782 --> 00:28:36,461
Speaker 2: thought like, it didn't actually bring it that hard this

595
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Speaker 2: year Coachella dressing.

596
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Speaker 1: And I think it's all the You didn't think that

597
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Speaker 1: was hard. Like there's a lot of strappage, a lot

598
00:28:43,222 --> 00:28:45,102
Speaker 1: of like complicated lace.

599
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the internationals bought it hard because this

600
00:28:48,222 --> 00:28:50,182
Speaker 2: is like a fun thing for us, right, we never

601
00:28:50,222 --> 00:28:52,342
Speaker 2: get this at home, Like we get field Day and

602
00:28:52,382 --> 00:28:54,102
Speaker 2: we all just wear like our jeans and our jumper,

603
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Speaker 2: so we get Coachella. I was like, I met Gala,

604
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Speaker 2: like exactly what you said. But then we have like

605
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Speaker 2: the Kylie Jennis and the Hailey Bebers.

606
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Speaker 1: Did you see them?

607
00:29:00,702 --> 00:29:02,142
Speaker 2: They were just wearing a shirt and jean.

608
00:29:02,302 --> 00:29:04,542
Speaker 4: No, this is the thing. The coolest people there are

609
00:29:04,582 --> 00:29:05,421
Speaker 4: so many layers and.

610
00:29:05,422 --> 00:29:07,582
Speaker 3: They didn't tell poor Judd, do you wear a shirt

611
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Speaker 3: and jeane.

612
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Speaker 4: It's like the people who aren't cool at all, like us,

613
00:29:13,062 --> 00:29:14,342
Speaker 4: We're never going to coach Ola.

614
00:29:14,742 --> 00:29:17,662
Speaker 3: Then there's a lot where it is it's too hot.

615
00:29:18,702 --> 00:29:22,862
Speaker 4: Then there's another layer of coool where they're going and

616
00:29:22,902 --> 00:29:25,342
Speaker 4: they're dressing kind of badly. That would be me if

617
00:29:25,382 --> 00:29:27,862
Speaker 4: I went, I'd get it wrong, I'd miss the vibe,

618
00:29:27,942 --> 00:29:29,342
Speaker 4: which just totally miss the vibe.

619
00:29:29,182 --> 00:29:31,661
Speaker 1: Would like too much effort or not enough but.

620
00:29:32,142 --> 00:29:35,822
Speaker 3: No, just like not appropriate, like jeans and a jumper.

621
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Speaker 4: You go and wear.

622
00:29:36,782 --> 00:29:39,142
Speaker 2: Jeans and twelve clubbinghere were all blazers.

623
00:29:39,342 --> 00:29:40,461
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be me.

624
00:29:40,622 --> 00:29:41,022
Speaker 1: That would be me.

625
00:29:41,302 --> 00:29:44,221
Speaker 4: Then the next level of cool is the Beck Judds

626
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Speaker 4: who are like they look so.

627
00:29:46,462 --> 00:29:50,022
Speaker 1: Hot, stylists pool the whole weekend.

628
00:29:49,902 --> 00:29:52,422
Speaker 3: And like they are studying. Have you seen the belly chains.

629
00:29:52,622 --> 00:29:54,661
Speaker 4: The belly chains are in now it's a necklace like

630
00:29:54,702 --> 00:29:56,462
Speaker 4: a belly chain, am Like, do I need a belly chain?

631
00:29:56,462 --> 00:29:58,942
Speaker 4: I don't think I need a belly chain. But then

632
00:29:59,462 --> 00:30:04,542
Speaker 4: the top tier level of cool is out of it's

633
00:30:04,822 --> 00:30:08,782
Speaker 4: I'm wearing whatever the hell I'm wearing because I'm Kylie freakin' Jenna.

634
00:30:08,862 --> 00:30:11,941
Speaker 4: Look at my My face is the feature here.

635
00:30:11,862 --> 00:30:13,382
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like I don't even need

636
00:30:13,422 --> 00:30:13,941
Speaker 3: to try.

637
00:30:14,542 --> 00:30:17,701
Speaker 4: And so looking at this year and seeing all the

638
00:30:17,782 --> 00:30:20,582
Speaker 4: influences in all their outfits and all their mansions, I

639
00:30:20,622 --> 00:30:22,902
Speaker 4: do feel quite removed from Coachella.

640
00:30:23,182 --> 00:30:27,062
Speaker 3: I do think this year, this year in particular, I'm like, mmm,

641
00:30:27,742 --> 00:30:28,382
Speaker 3: I'm never.

642
00:30:28,222 --> 00:30:30,342
Speaker 1: Going, am I It's a fine like, actually you might

643
00:30:30,342 --> 00:30:32,342
Speaker 1: get invited for spon con one day, Claire, you might.

644
00:30:32,382 --> 00:30:35,221
Speaker 1: Actually you can shoot high aim for that. The thing is,

645
00:30:35,262 --> 00:30:36,822
Speaker 1: this is a fine line, right because when I look

646
00:30:36,862 --> 00:30:39,102
Speaker 1: at Glastonbury and many many of my friends go to

647
00:30:39,142 --> 00:30:42,062
Speaker 1: Glastonbury religiously, and that looks like a lot of hard work.

648
00:30:42,142 --> 00:30:44,542
Speaker 1: I have never been full disclosure, I'm probably not going

649
00:30:44,622 --> 00:30:47,302
Speaker 1: to go. Well, really fancy people don't. And also you

650
00:30:47,342 --> 00:30:49,382
Speaker 1: can there are levels of camping, but to have the

651
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Speaker 1: full experience, yes, mud tense who can forget boots? Like

652
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Speaker 1: that's the vibe right, and it does look like hard work.

653
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Speaker 1: But then if you're going and you've got a stylist

654
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Speaker 1: with all your outfits, you've got glam from four am

655
00:31:01,822 --> 00:31:03,862
Speaker 1: and just staying in a mansion off site, that's not

656
00:31:03,982 --> 00:31:05,822
Speaker 1: really going to a music festival at all.

657
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Speaker 3: No, no, no am.

658
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Speaker 1: I go on a brunch and I do you think.

659
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Speaker 4: You watch all the videos and you're like, these people

660
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Speaker 4: are working the amount of content that is it would

661
00:31:18,422 --> 00:31:20,182
Speaker 4: be my nightmare.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you could pay me enough.

663
00:31:21,502 --> 00:31:22,421
Speaker 1: You couldn't get drunk.

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Speaker 4: You couldn't you couldn't get drunk, you couldn't like just

665
00:31:26,462 --> 00:31:28,181
Speaker 4: do fun stay because you've got to be up and

666
00:31:28,182 --> 00:31:30,222
Speaker 4: getting ready. And then it's like we have to film

667
00:31:30,382 --> 00:31:32,941
Speaker 4: seventy two reels before we freaking leave the house. And

668
00:31:32,982 --> 00:31:35,102
Speaker 4: everybody has to learn the lyrics to this song you've

669
00:31:35,142 --> 00:31:36,582
Speaker 4: never heard and learn the dance.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to work for them than it is for Gaga.

671
00:31:39,302 --> 00:31:39,822
Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 2: After the break, I'm going to be asking Hole and

673
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Speaker 2: Claire to verify a piece of terrifying information I've come across.

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Speaker 1: One unlimited out Loud access. We drop episodes every Tuesday

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Speaker 1: and Thursday, exclusively for Mamma MIA subscribers follow the link

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Speaker 1: at the show notes to get us in your ears

677
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Speaker 1: five days a week. And a huge thank you to

678
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Speaker 1: all our current subscribers.

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Speaker 2: So recently, I read something horrific that I personally couldn't

680
00:32:13,182 --> 00:32:15,182
Speaker 2: comment on, but I knew the two of you could.

681
00:32:15,982 --> 00:32:19,302
Speaker 2: It was a statistic from a marriage counseling website, and

682
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Speaker 2: the website was called Couples on the Brain.

683
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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm offended that you think we can relate to that.

684
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Speaker 3: Continue, and it was the statistic.

685
00:32:27,062 --> 00:32:31,182
Speaker 2: It read, if a married couple with children has fifteen

686
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Speaker 2: minutes of uninterrupted, non logistical, non problem solving talk every day,

687
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Speaker 2: I would put them in the top five percent of

688
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Speaker 2: all married couples. It's an extraordinary achievement.

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Speaker 4: Clarenholm, Well, firstly, I'd like to say, Holly can't way

690
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Speaker 4: in because she lives, she's not married, married, she's not

691
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Speaker 4: she doesn't understand it.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to expand to the parameters of this

693
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Speaker 1: longship relationship with children with children.

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Speaker 2: Are both of you okay?

695
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Speaker 1: No, because when I read this, I was like, yeah, absolutely,

696
00:33:06,262 --> 00:33:09,542
Speaker 1: that is what I'm trying to fix right in my relation.

697
00:33:10,102 --> 00:33:11,941
Speaker 1: I don't mean in my relationship necessarily like we've got

698
00:33:11,942 --> 00:33:14,542
Speaker 1: a problem. But that is an absolute reality, and it's

699
00:33:14,582 --> 00:33:16,701
Speaker 1: what everybody talks about, and it's what they want to

700
00:33:16,742 --> 00:33:19,382
Speaker 1: avoid while also doing it one hundred percent.

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00:33:19,462 --> 00:33:22,022
Speaker 2: So it doesn't shock you unfixable problem that you just

702
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Speaker 2: have ongoing.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's an.

704
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Speaker 1: Unfixable problem, but the reality of it is if you

705
00:33:25,742 --> 00:33:27,462
Speaker 1: have children, and this I'd love to hear Claire on this,

706
00:33:27,502 --> 00:33:29,661
Speaker 1: because she's in a long term relationship that for a

707
00:33:29,661 --> 00:33:33,302
Speaker 1: lotti years didn't have children and now does. They've got Matilda,

708
00:33:33,902 --> 00:33:37,542
Speaker 1: and so your logistic level has gone from who's making

709
00:33:37,582 --> 00:33:40,222
Speaker 1: dinner tonight or who's ordering in to like much more

710
00:33:40,262 --> 00:33:44,502
Speaker 1: complicated and the logistics is enormous. It reminded me of

711
00:33:44,502 --> 00:33:47,742
Speaker 1: an interview I did with Rachel Griffiths, the actress for

712
00:33:47,902 --> 00:33:50,302
Speaker 1: mid and she said that after her kids had grown

713
00:33:50,382 --> 00:33:52,222
Speaker 1: up now and they were just about to leave home

714
00:33:52,262 --> 00:33:54,462
Speaker 1: or whatever, and her and her husband went on holiday

715
00:33:54,782 --> 00:33:56,262
Speaker 1: and she said, if we're not going to be those

716
00:33:56,302 --> 00:33:58,302
Speaker 1: people who get divorced when the kids leave home, we

717
00:33:58,342 --> 00:34:00,701
Speaker 1: need to have a rule for this holiday. And she

718
00:34:00,782 --> 00:34:04,342
Speaker 1: said the rule is you can't say would you did

719
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Speaker 1: you have you?

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Speaker 4: So?

721
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Speaker 2: Could you just do this?

722
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Speaker 1: For me, would you go and pick the kids up

723
00:34:09,862 --> 00:34:12,622
Speaker 1: from blah blah? Did you get that thing done? Have

724
00:34:12,782 --> 00:34:15,661
Speaker 1: you remembered too? And this is it was a light

725
00:34:15,702 --> 00:34:17,861
Speaker 1: bulb for me because I thought so much of the

726
00:34:17,862 --> 00:34:20,821
Speaker 1: comments I have with my partner is exactly that. Did

727
00:34:20,862 --> 00:34:23,901
Speaker 1: you remember to tell that person they've got to pick

728
00:34:23,942 --> 00:34:25,741
Speaker 1: Billy up on that day because we're not going to

729
00:34:25,822 --> 00:34:27,782
Speaker 1: be there? Could you just go and get some milk?

730
00:34:28,302 --> 00:34:30,582
Speaker 1: Have you taken the bin out? Did you? But like

731
00:34:30,741 --> 00:34:33,261
Speaker 1: that level of logistics, did you call the dogs in

732
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Speaker 1: about the thing? Is just like the relentless conversation and

733
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Speaker 1: if you actually have a conversation about something else, like

734
00:34:39,221 --> 00:34:41,941
Speaker 1: something we're bringing talking about today, you feel like you've

735
00:34:41,982 --> 00:34:43,462
Speaker 1: won the relationship Olympics.

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Speaker 4: And a young person said to me last week of

737
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Speaker 4: a young person maybe oh like twenty five, what wasn't me?

738
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Speaker 4: It wasn't you, but it was a similarly young person

739
00:34:55,022 --> 00:34:57,261
Speaker 4: was like, I don't really see the difference between like

740
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Speaker 4: a partner and a best friend. What's actually the difference?

741
00:35:00,382 --> 00:35:03,262
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh my god, let me explain.

742
00:35:03,302 --> 00:35:05,382
Speaker 2: Because you have sex with your partners, well obviously that

743
00:35:05,502 --> 00:35:08,221
Speaker 2: you think that's the difference. I was about to tell

744
00:35:08,221 --> 00:35:08,382
Speaker 2: you what.

745
00:35:09,942 --> 00:35:15,301
Speaker 3: And I'm like, do you an that that's a separate conversation.

746
00:35:15,781 --> 00:35:18,861
Speaker 4: But the difference is with the best friend, you are

747
00:35:18,942 --> 00:35:21,982
Speaker 4: talking about all the fun stuff. So I put it

748
00:35:22,022 --> 00:35:24,901
Speaker 4: that like say, Jesse, my sister's my best friend and

749
00:35:25,142 --> 00:35:29,661
Speaker 4: Rory's my partner. Jesse just talk shit with like gossip,

750
00:35:29,741 --> 00:35:32,942
Speaker 4: talk about fun stuff whatever. With Ror, it now gets

751
00:35:32,942 --> 00:35:36,142
Speaker 4: to the stage when you have a child that it's

752
00:35:36,221 --> 00:35:39,142
Speaker 4: like you are building a life together. It's like being

753
00:35:39,221 --> 00:35:42,062
Speaker 4: colleagues and you're in a workplace and the workplace is

754
00:35:42,102 --> 00:35:45,022
Speaker 4: your home and everything needs to get done and sordid,

755
00:35:45,342 --> 00:35:48,142
Speaker 4: and there are like departments. It's like you have your

756
00:35:48,181 --> 00:35:51,102
Speaker 4: finance department, and you have your pet department, and you

757
00:35:51,142 --> 00:35:54,542
Speaker 4: have your Boddy who pays the rent department. And it

758
00:35:54,661 --> 00:35:58,542
Speaker 4: is actually building a life and striving for a future together.

759
00:35:58,942 --> 00:36:03,342
Speaker 4: And it kind of stops being and maybe momentarily stops

760
00:36:03,422 --> 00:36:05,022
Speaker 4: being that kind.

761
00:36:04,902 --> 00:36:06,982
Speaker 3: Of social relationship.

762
00:36:06,982 --> 00:36:09,102
Speaker 1: But I do have to say, your boss is a toddler.

763
00:36:09,261 --> 00:36:10,582
Speaker 3: Yeah, your boss.

764
00:36:12,862 --> 00:36:15,542
Speaker 4: But you feel really nice when your boss like favors you. Yeah,

765
00:36:15,582 --> 00:36:20,542
Speaker 4: at the moment, she loves me. But we recently moved

766
00:36:20,741 --> 00:36:25,301
Speaker 4: and Matilda was who knows somewhere with my mum, I

767
00:36:25,422 --> 00:36:28,142
Speaker 4: swear she was being accounted for. But Rory and I

768
00:36:28,302 --> 00:36:30,861
Speaker 4: we had all these annoying things to do. We had

769
00:36:30,862 --> 00:36:33,821
Speaker 4: like all the moving boxes and we were trying to

770
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Speaker 4: sort them. And we had like an hour where we

771
00:36:37,062 --> 00:36:40,902
Speaker 4: were just doing things together at home, but we didn't

772
00:36:40,902 --> 00:36:42,462
Speaker 4: have to talk about what we were doing. We were

773
00:36:42,502 --> 00:36:45,342
Speaker 4: just like throwing things in the rubbish and we talked.

774
00:36:45,701 --> 00:36:47,782
Speaker 4: You had a conversation and I was like, this is wild.

775
00:36:47,862 --> 00:36:50,781
Speaker 4: I quite like you. You're a funny guy. Like it

776
00:36:50,862 --> 00:36:53,782
Speaker 4: was weird because it was one of the only times

777
00:36:53,822 --> 00:36:57,661
Speaker 4: in the last few months especially have been insane. But

778
00:36:58,302 --> 00:37:01,982
Speaker 4: you realize that you don't get to chat like your

779
00:37:01,982 --> 00:37:02,862
Speaker 4: friends anymore.

780
00:37:03,181 --> 00:37:05,062
Speaker 1: I want to know em because you are on the

781
00:37:05,062 --> 00:37:07,022
Speaker 1: record on this podcast quite a few times as saying

782
00:37:07,022 --> 00:37:10,742
Speaker 1: you would like a partner, you would like the picket

783
00:37:10,781 --> 00:37:13,622
Speaker 1: fence and the baby and all that stuff. Are we

784
00:37:13,701 --> 00:37:15,501
Speaker 1: doing a better job of convincing you that you don't

785
00:37:16,462 --> 00:37:18,262
Speaker 1: We sound like Chapel Roone.

786
00:37:18,342 --> 00:37:18,982
Speaker 2: It's annoying.

787
00:37:19,181 --> 00:37:21,221
Speaker 1: We sound like Chapel Roone going there. And note it's

788
00:37:21,261 --> 00:37:24,062
Speaker 1: not true, because there's lots of goodness in here. But

789
00:37:24,142 --> 00:37:27,542
Speaker 1: does that fact the idea that everything is logistics horrify

790
00:37:27,622 --> 00:37:27,942
Speaker 1: You're not.

791
00:37:28,062 --> 00:37:31,341
Speaker 2: What annoys me about you guys is that every time

792
00:37:31,382 --> 00:37:33,701
Speaker 2: I come on here, you're all like, you don't want

793
00:37:33,741 --> 00:37:35,741
Speaker 2: a relationship, you don't want this, don't do this, I

794
00:37:35,822 --> 00:37:38,382
Speaker 2: do that, And then you're all in relationships and I'm like,

795
00:37:38,422 --> 00:37:40,501
Speaker 2: but what do you mean? Like it doesn't make any

796
00:37:40,542 --> 00:37:43,542
Speaker 2: sense in my head. But I thought, after reading the

797
00:37:43,582 --> 00:37:46,781
Speaker 2: STAD and hearing your sad sad stories, I could give

798
00:37:46,822 --> 00:37:48,301
Speaker 2: you some advice on what to talk.

799
00:37:49,862 --> 00:37:51,262
Speaker 3: I need conversation started.

800
00:37:51,302 --> 00:37:53,502
Speaker 2: So it's a fun one for both of you. This

801
00:37:53,542 --> 00:37:55,582
Speaker 2: is like a relationship once. I haven't actually tried this myself,

802
00:37:55,862 --> 00:37:58,661
Speaker 2: but you ask them who is the one person in

803
00:37:58,661 --> 00:38:00,781
Speaker 2: my family that you hate that you've been scared to

804
00:38:00,822 --> 00:38:02,781
Speaker 2: tell me? Oh my god, that is and then you

805
00:38:02,822 --> 00:38:03,462
Speaker 2: get to pick.

806
00:38:03,302 --> 00:38:06,902
Speaker 1: One in their families, either conversation starter or a fight starter.

807
00:38:07,062 --> 00:38:08,301
Speaker 2: A conversation because it's like.

808
00:38:08,302 --> 00:38:11,782
Speaker 4: All liked I have to say in that like very

809
00:38:11,781 --> 00:38:14,022
Speaker 4: small part of the day, Like say, we don't get

810
00:38:14,022 --> 00:38:15,901
Speaker 4: our fifteen minutes of uninterrupted talk.

811
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Speaker 3: We only get six that is what we talk.

812
00:38:18,302 --> 00:38:18,542
Speaker 1: Okay.

813
00:38:20,102 --> 00:38:21,622
Speaker 2: I also have another one that I bring up on

814
00:38:21,661 --> 00:38:23,542
Speaker 2: my first date, So I think will really help you

815
00:38:23,542 --> 00:38:26,102
Speaker 2: guys out okay, so it's more like a storytelling one.

816
00:38:26,142 --> 00:38:28,021
Speaker 2: So you're at dinner with them. Do you have dinner

817
00:38:28,062 --> 00:38:32,381
Speaker 2: with your partners sometimes totally? Ok yeah, okay, so you

818
00:38:32,382 --> 00:38:35,221
Speaker 2: go to them. Okay, so pretend you're single. I guess

819
00:38:35,221 --> 00:38:36,902
Speaker 2: you guys have to pretend your single for the situation.

820
00:38:37,221 --> 00:38:40,582
Speaker 2: And say you meet your celebrity crush in a bar

821
00:38:40,902 --> 00:38:43,502
Speaker 2: and you hit it off. They're really into you, like,

822
00:38:43,542 --> 00:38:46,421
Speaker 2: they're really really into you. You're talking about your life,

823
00:38:46,462 --> 00:38:49,462
Speaker 2: they're talking about their life. You're hitting it off. But

824
00:38:49,542 --> 00:38:52,662
Speaker 2: then you find out that they're your long lost cousin.

825
00:38:53,542 --> 00:38:55,822
Speaker 1: Oh okay, but right.

826
00:38:55,822 --> 00:38:58,102
Speaker 2: They kind of give you an eye. No one else

827
00:38:58,102 --> 00:39:01,341
Speaker 2: will find out. Oh, no one else will know to

828
00:39:01,622 --> 00:39:02,301
Speaker 2: sleep with them.

829
00:39:02,502 --> 00:39:06,301
Speaker 1: That is a great question. Yes, that is really important

830
00:39:06,502 --> 00:39:09,342
Speaker 1: the answer that's not the point.

831
00:39:10,902 --> 00:39:12,261
Speaker 2: And they're meant to say it, and then you're meant

832
00:39:12,302 --> 00:39:13,942
Speaker 2: to dive in, and then you're like, well, now we both.

833
00:39:13,781 --> 00:39:16,902
Speaker 1: Have that therapy. Good eyesbreaker, because I think the thing

834
00:39:17,062 --> 00:39:19,182
Speaker 1: this is one of the things that genuinely are challenging

835
00:39:19,221 --> 00:39:22,062
Speaker 1: long term relationships, is you've had all your conversations, right, Like,

836
00:39:22,261 --> 00:39:23,781
Speaker 1: I don't mean to be down about this. There are

837
00:39:23,781 --> 00:39:25,821
Speaker 1: so many wonderful things about that level of knowing someone

838
00:39:25,862 --> 00:39:29,462
Speaker 1: so well. But that's why you see the stereotype of

839
00:39:29,462 --> 00:39:30,941
Speaker 1: the people who've been together a long time and sit

840
00:39:30,982 --> 00:39:33,661
Speaker 1: in a restaurant not talking, or people whose kids leave

841
00:39:33,661 --> 00:39:35,261
Speaker 1: home and they split up, or they retire and they

842
00:39:35,261 --> 00:39:37,301
Speaker 1: split up because they're suddenly like, shit, it's just us,

843
00:39:37,622 --> 00:39:40,102
Speaker 1: and you have to actually work hard at going out

844
00:39:40,142 --> 00:39:42,502
Speaker 1: into the world and getting pebbles to bring back to

845
00:39:42,542 --> 00:39:44,422
Speaker 1: show off and be like, look at my shiny pebble.

846
00:39:44,502 --> 00:39:47,181
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. It's why women on maternity leave

847
00:39:47,221 --> 00:39:49,462
Speaker 1: often feel really isolated because they're not going out to

848
00:39:49,462 --> 00:39:52,462
Speaker 1: get pebbles for the family anymore. You've actually got to

849
00:39:52,502 --> 00:39:55,102
Speaker 1: interact with the world to have things to talk about.

850
00:39:55,542 --> 00:39:58,502
Speaker 1: And one of the things about long term coupledom is

851
00:39:58,542 --> 00:40:01,341
Speaker 1: it can stop you from interacting with the world so much,

852
00:40:01,342 --> 00:40:03,622
Speaker 1: so you are probably never going to be as interesting

853
00:40:03,661 --> 00:40:08,702
Speaker 1: as you are right now. Oh God, I'm just always

854
00:40:08,781 --> 00:40:11,502
Speaker 1: trying to just try anna lift you up here. Let

855
00:40:11,622 --> 00:40:16,062
Speaker 1: you see the sunshine, sat down there. This dating apps again,

856
00:40:17,622 --> 00:40:19,622
Speaker 1: that's all we've got time for out loud is on

857
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Speaker 1: our Monday show. A massive thank you to all of

858
00:40:22,142 --> 00:40:25,022
Speaker 1: you for listening, but of course to em and Claire

859
00:40:25,022 --> 00:40:27,942
Speaker 1: for filling in for Mea and Jesse today, and to

860
00:40:27,982 --> 00:40:30,261
Speaker 1: our fabulous team for putting it all together. We're going

861
00:40:30,302 --> 00:40:31,542
Speaker 1: to be back in your ears tomorrow.

862
00:40:31,741 --> 00:40:31,981
Speaker 2: Bye.

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Speaker 3: See her.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to any Mamma Mia subscribers listening. If you

865
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