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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mere podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Muma MEA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein, Bill Clinton,

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Speaker 2: and Marjorie Taylor Green yep, that's a lot of big

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Speaker 2: names for first thing in the morning. And if your

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Speaker 2: brain starts to go fizzy when trying to unpack the

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Speaker 2: latest Epstein files update, fear not, this episode is for you.

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Speaker 2: The latest on Trump's long standing war with a bunch

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Speaker 2: of documents and emails has yet another development. Plus, the

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Speaker 2: president is expanding his fight against mainstream media, this time

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Speaker 2: across the pond, taking aim at the BBC the caveat here,

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Speaker 2: though he might actually be in the right. As always,

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Speaker 2: Emelia Lester is here to unpack everything Trump this week.

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Speaker 2: Before we get there, though, here's Claire Murphy with the

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Speaker 2: latest from The Quickie newsroom for Tuesday, November eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Taylor. Opposition leader Susan Lee says she can guarantee

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Speaker 3: that she'll lead the coalition to the next federal election.

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Speaker 3: Lee made the statement on the ABC seven to thirty program,

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Speaker 3: where she was explaining the party's new energy policy. There

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Speaker 3: have been constant rumors of a threat to miss Lee's

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Speaker 3: leadership position, with potential challengers meeting outside the party room

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Speaker 3: for conversations, But when she was asked if she could

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Speaker 3: guarantee that she'll lead the party the next election, miss

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Speaker 3: Lee said absolutely. When pressed on one of those named

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Speaker 3: as a potential challenger, Andrew Hasty's plans, miss Lee instead

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Speaker 3: chose to focus on policy priorities. Meanwhile, Victorian Liberals could

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Speaker 3: appoint their first female leader as the struggling party ay

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Speaker 3: as the next state election, less than a year after

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Speaker 3: Brad Badden was chosen to head the party. The opposition

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Speaker 3: leader could face a party room spill as soon as

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Speaker 3: this morning, with a challenge expected from QMP Jess Wilson,

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Speaker 3: a former staffer to ex Federal Treasurer Josh Fredenberg. Mister

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Speaker 3: Batten was reportedly visited by a delegation of Liberal MPs

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Speaker 3: who told him he'd lost party room support with others

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Speaker 3: and calling on him to deliver the same message. The

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Speaker 3: Victorian opposition has slipped in recent polls despite the three

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Speaker 3: term Labour government grappling with soaring crime and state debt.

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Speaker 3: Internal tensions have been simmering since a crushing defeat at

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty two election, spilling into a defamation lawsuit

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Speaker 3: by Liberal MP Moi Redeeming against the party's previous leader,

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Speaker 3: John Pizzuto. The party would have its fifth leader since

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Speaker 3: September twenty twenty one if mister Batton were to fall.

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Speaker 3: Confessed murderer Lachlan Young will finally learn his fate today

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Speaker 3: after killing his former girlfriend Hannah McGuire and then burning

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Speaker 3: her body in remote Bushland. The twenty three year old

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Speaker 3: will return to the Victorian Supreme Court in Ballarat today

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Speaker 3: where his sentence will be handed down. Young initially denied

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Speaker 3: killing Hannah, claiming her death was a spontaneous incident as

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Speaker 3: he took the case to trial, but after eight days

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Speaker 3: of evidence before a jury, Young admitted he strangled miss

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Speaker 3: MacGuire in the bathroom of their Sebastopol home on April five.

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Speaker 3: He then placed her body into the footwell of her

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Speaker 3: Mitsubishi Triton, drove it to remote Bushland in Scarsdale, and

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Speaker 3: used Hannah's phone to send messages to her mother, Debbie,

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Speaker 3: claiming she was going to take her own life. He

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Speaker 3: then transferred two thousand dollars from miss McGuire's bank account

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Speaker 3: to her mother and five thousand dollars to himself. The

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Speaker 3: Crown Prosecutor alleges that Young had been abusive and controlling,

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Speaker 3: and that Hannah's death was motivated by male entitlement, jealousy

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Speaker 3: and rage. Seven time world champion Lane Beachley has been

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Speaker 3: honored for her efforts to improve women surfing with the

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Speaker 3: Dawn Award. Beachley was given the trophy at the Sport

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Speaker 3: Australia Hall of Fame Awards, named for swimming legend Dawn Fraser.

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Speaker 3: The Dawn honors an individual or team for their bravery,

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Speaker 3: The award has previously been won by athletes including Lauren

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Speaker 3: She says she does it because she loves it, not

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Speaker 2: Bit, Thanks Claire. Next, buckle up, friends, it's time for

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Speaker 2: another Trump date. In what feels like the longest running

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Speaker 2: political news story of all time, the Epstein.

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Speaker 1: Files are back in the news.

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Speaker 2: And if you're thinking, but Taylor, haven't we released all

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Speaker 2: the files related to convicted sex offender and trafficker Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 2: Well apparently not. Last week, Democrats on the House Oversight

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Speaker 2: to put it frank, they don't exactly paint the President

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Speaker 2: in a flattering light. For example, he is a twenty

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Speaker 3: I want you to realize that the dog who hasn't barked.

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Speaker 4: As Trump it'spent hour, or is at my house with him,

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Speaker 2: Now. Of course, to counter that, Republicans released a further

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Speaker 2: the same day, insisting what was initially released was conveniently

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Speaker 2: cherry picked. So, according to these latest released emails, it's

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Speaker 2: inferred Trump knew about Epstein's activities and allegedly was involved

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Speaker 2: this alone has caused a feud between Trump and one

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Speaker 2: telling CNN essentially their political breakup can be boiled down

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Speaker 2: to one point.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, it has all come down to the Epstein files,

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Speaker 5: and that is shocking. I don't believe that rich, powerful

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Speaker 1: Then there's the Clinton of it all.

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Speaker 2: Well, the heat is being turned up on the forty

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Speaker 2: focusing on. Trump has insisted there be an investigation into

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Speaker 2: Clinton's alleged involvement with Epstein, namely spending time at the

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Speaker 2: private island Epstein owned where alleged sex trafficking took place.

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Speaker 2: This investigation was called just three days after that Congressional

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Speaker 2: committee released even more documents linking Trump to Epstein. Clinton

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Speaker 2: himself has confirmed he's been on Epstein's private plane, yes,

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Speaker 2: multiple times in fact, but he's never visited the island.

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Speaker 2: Epstein himself backed this up in one of his many

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Speaker 3: Clinton was never ever there, never, but.

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Speaker 2: Virginia Jufray, one of Epstein's most high profile accusers, actually

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Speaker 2: saw eye to eye with Trump on something they both agreed.

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Speaker 2: Clinton was in fact at Epstein's island.

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Speaker 1: So where does this leave us now?

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Speaker 2: Oh and if that wasn't enough, Trump, he's also walked

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Speaker 2: back some of his tariffikes and he's.

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Speaker 1: Saving the BBC. Don't worry, I'll explain to help us

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Speaker 1: get our heads around it all.

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Speaker 2: We're joined by Mamma Me as US correspondent Amelia Lester. Amelia,

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Speaker 2: can we start with Epstein? The files, the emails? The

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Speaker 2: mind boggles. I've been thinking about this the last couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks, about how prolific one man can be, because

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Speaker 2: it feels like there's a billion documents about as many

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Speaker 1: He was a writer. He wrote a lot of things.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's interesting because, funnily enough, I was thinking that

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Speaker 2: Or when you think about how many emails a week

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Speaker 2: that you would write, also.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully there's no smoking guns in there.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the latest things that we've uncovered though

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Speaker 2: from these emails.

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Speaker 4: These are separate from the Epstein files that we've been

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Speaker 4: hearing so much about for a few years now. The

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Speaker 4: Epstein files are held by the Justice Department. That's where

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Speaker 4: we think the client list is. These emails come from

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Speaker 4: Epstein's estate and they were subpoenaed by the House Oversight

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Speaker 4: we're just getting to them now. And what happened last

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Speaker 4: week is that the Democrats released a couple of emails

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Speaker 4: specifically related to Trump, and then the Republicans counter released

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Speaker 4: twenty thousand pages of emails because they said the Democrats

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Speaker 4: were cherry.

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Speaker 1: Picking, which is like a document dump, right. They do

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Speaker 1: that just to sort of blood the z ownership, Yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: Distract and take away. But what was actually released about

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Speaker 2: Trump by the Democrats was, I guess you can't call

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Speaker 2: confirmation that their involvement as in Trump and Epstein is.

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Speaker 1: More than what we maybe once thought.

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Speaker 4: What we knew before was that they were close friends

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Speaker 4: for fifteen years, and this does in fact confirm that

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Speaker 4: they were very close friends for a long time. Epstein

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Speaker 4: seemed almost repulsed by Trump. In the latter years, he

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Speaker 4: kept very close tabs on Trump. But it's true that

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Speaker 4: they didn't seem to speak, and there isn't a single

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Speaker 4: email here that shows that Trump was culpable of criminal activity.

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Speaker 1: What we see is.

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Speaker 4: That he spent a lot of time with Epstein and

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Speaker 4: potentially spent a lot of time with the so called

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Speaker 4: girls in Epstein's circle. So Epstein wrote to his accomplice

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Speaker 4: Gills Maxwell, the dog that hasn't barked is Trump victim.

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Speaker 4: The name is reducted, spent hours at my house with him.

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Speaker 4: That victim's name has been confirmed to be Virginia, who

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Speaker 4: is believed to be Virginia Giffrey. But the odd thing

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Speaker 4: is that Virginia Jiffray maintained, both in her deposition and

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Speaker 2: Which is interesting, right, Virginia Giufrey obviously one of the

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Speaker 2: Trump in the same room but to not say that

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Speaker 2: all sort of associate Trump and the Epstein files with.

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Speaker 4: Right, yes, I think we would have expected to see

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Speaker 4: something implicating him more directly. I'll just run through to

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Speaker 4: other emails that kind of semi implicate him. The first

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Speaker 4: which is odd to send an email to yourself. I

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Speaker 4: don't really know the circumstances behind that, but Epstein wrote

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Speaker 4: to himself that Trump met a victim who worked at

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Speaker 4: Mara Lago, but that he never got a massage from

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Speaker 4: that person. The name was redacted, which is another sort

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Speaker 4: of interesting email to send yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's documenting it, almost.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and you would presume that he would want to

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Speaker 4: document the worst things that Trump did. And then, finally,

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Speaker 4: in an email to the journalist Michael Wolfe, he writes,

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Speaker 4: of course Trump knew about the girls, as he asked

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Speaker 4: Julaine to stop. This is all very confusing. We don't

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Speaker 4: get anything directly implicating Trump, but we do get a

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Speaker 4: confirmation that he was very close to Epstein, and certainly

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Speaker 4: that Trump must have understood what Epstein himself was doing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so then what do we do with all of

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Speaker 2: this similiar I feel like every time the Epstein files

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Speaker 2: or Epstein's name comes up and then news, a lot

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Speaker 2: of people just tend to sort of melt away because

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Speaker 2: there's two much to sort of sift through. This kind

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Speaker 2: of just proves what we already knew. That Trump and

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Speaker 2: Epstein knew each other.

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Speaker 4: It does, and that they were friends, but we knew

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Speaker 4: that already. Well.

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Speaker 2: One of the names that has also come up in

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Speaker 2: recent weeks is Bill Clinton. He does want the files

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Speaker 1: Tell me what's going on there.

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Speaker 4: That's a weird one. So basically, Mark Epstein, who's Jeffrey's brother,

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Speaker 4: asking if Jeffrey can send putin the photo of what

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Speaker 4: we presume to be Donald Trump blowing Bubba. Now, Buba

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Speaker 4: is Bill Clinton's nickname, and this could all.

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Speaker 1: Just be a joke, but it is very odd.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Bill Clinton is all over the emails and a

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Speaker 2: Right. We've also seen Ruf's Amelia amongst Republican and Trump.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about Marjorie Taylor Green as probably the latest

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Speaker 4: Things are moving very quickly there. She was under immense

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Speaker 4: because on Sunday US Time, she came out basically with

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Speaker 2: And what about Trump now himself almost backflipping on these

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Speaker 4: It's so strange given that last week he was going

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Speaker 4: to all that effort to pressure Madori Taylor Green to

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Speaker 4: to me, this just emphasizes my sense that there actually

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Speaker 4: He does say, we have nothing to hide. That's what

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Speaker 2: So is this succumbing to party pressure then, or is

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Speaker 2: this Trump going No, Really, I have absolutely nothing to hide.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really weird.

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Speaker 4: Taylor, I'm not quite sure it's either that he has

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Speaker 4: disgraced sex offender is not as important as the division

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the ongoing thorn in the political side

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Speaker 2: I guess this is also Trump's attempt to like not

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Speaker 4: I guess he must have decided that this was starting

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Speaker 4: He flip flops and reverses his positions on things like

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Speaker 2: We are potentially getting as Trump's day in court against

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Speaker 4: So the BBC at a documentary on Panorama, which as

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Speaker 4: you listen to the speech, it was spliced in an

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Speaker 4: and he said he plans to sue the BBC for

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Speaker 4: as much as five in US. He would do this

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Speaker 1: Basically, experts have said.

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Speaker 4: That his claim of reputational harm is not going to

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Speaker 4: which I do understand.

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Speaker 2: But when you purposefully stitch words together that weren't said

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Speaker 1: Why would you do something like this.

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Speaker 4: It is a huge misstep on their part. I have

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Speaker 4: to be honest with you. The gist of that speech

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Speaker 2: Okay, and finally, Amelia, I sent you a message across

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Speaker 1: Trump has walked back some of his tariffs. Talk to

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Speaker 4: Taco is? Of course, the acronym Trump always chickens out.

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Speaker 4: He's done it again, except this time he did it

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Speaker 2: Okay, so when we say beef, are we talking Australian beer?

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Speaker 4: meat is Australia's second largest export to the US behind

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Speaker 1: What are they doing with it making jewelry?

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Speaker 4: I gave Bee, Sure, maybe hoarding it, But this means

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Speaker 1: That's about four.

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Speaker 4: Billion dollars worth and apparently it's the beef that's used

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Speaker 1: LA A lot of vested interest there, a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Trump is of course a big McDonald's fan.

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