1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Hello, lovely neighborhood. It's Sarah here. 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 2: I hope you're having an amazing week. I'm popping into 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 2: your feed with something a little different for this episode, 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: but equally packed with value. You might have heard me 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: over on the biz podcast recently, and I'm so excited 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: to drop a special episode of Biz Inbox into your 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 2: ears because I thought some of you might also benefit 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: from the conversations we've been having over there. I've joined 9 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: forces with the incredible m Vernum to help solve your 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: trickiest workplace dilemmas, and I'm pretty sure I've actually shared 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: some stuff I've never shared before. In this episode, we're 12 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: diving into something I know many of you struggle with 13 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: and I definitely struggle with most days of the week, 14 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: and that is procrastination. We test out some game changing strategies, 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: including the eat the Frog method that might actually revolutionize 16 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: your productivity. We also chat about those tricky social media 17 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: boundaries at work and share some tips on how to 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: stand out when you're the newbie in the office. If 19 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: you've got workplace dilemmas keeping you up at night, Biz 20 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: Inbox is here to help with practical, real world solutions 21 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: and a whole lot of yupping in between, and don't worry, 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 2: your regular CZA content will be back in your ears 23 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: next week. I just thought i'd give you this a 24 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: little preview, and we'd love to hear what you guys think. 25 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: Now let's jump into this special biz Inbox episode. 26 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to biz Inbox. I'm m Vernon, bringing 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: you your weekly dos of unfiltered workplace wisdom. Well, I'm 28 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 3: gonna try. 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: I'm Sarah Davidson, also trying to help them dig into 30 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: some workplace truth today. 31 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 3: And if you are new here, welcome, because biz Inbox 32 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: is where your professional dilemmas get sold no names attached. 33 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 3: So whether you're navigating office dynamics, launching a side hustle, 34 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: or dealing with the manager from Hell, we've got you 35 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: covered and your identity stays completely under wraps if you 36 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: choose to do so. 37 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: Today we are diving into whether loud working is worth 38 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: the hype and the awkward moment when your entire workplace 39 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: discovers your Instagram handle. 40 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, embarrassing. 41 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 3: No, we'll help you out. 42 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: We'll help you out. 43 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: First, I want to dive into a question that I 44 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: feel like I could have submitted myself. It's from Lulu, 45 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 3: and she says I am the Queen of procrastination, which 46 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: I'm going to say, no, Lulu, i am. Instead of 47 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: finishing tomorrow's urgent report, I just did a full house, 48 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: deep clean, scrolled TikTok for hours, and created a beautifully formatted, 49 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 3: color coded to do list, which I then ignored. I'll 50 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: literally do anything to avoid the actual work. Do you 51 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 3: have any tips at all? I need serious help, Sarah. 52 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 3: I'm sad to say that I also need serious. 53 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, well that makes three of us. 54 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: And the hilarious part of this is when I was 55 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: reading this question to think about, you know, I have 56 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: a little think in advance about what I would suggest. 57 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: I found it a hard one, and because it was 58 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: a hard question, I ignored it. Did a full house, 59 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: deep clean, scroll TikTok for hours, I made a beautifully formated, 60 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 2: color coded to do list so I wouldn't have to 61 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 2: answer the question because it's a hard one. 62 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 3: But it's such a funny question because I feel like 63 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: we all do it. But Sarah, okay, out of all 64 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 3: of us here, I mean, I'm not sure what Lulu does. 65 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: I'm sure she's amazing. But you are the one who 66 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: has very successful businesses, so you're clearly doing something right 67 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 3: that I'm sure doesn't involve procrastinating. 68 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we all have our moments. One of 69 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: the things that really helps me is, firstly I try 70 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: and identify the reason, because sometimes your reaction is different 71 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: or the action should I say that you can take 72 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: is different depending on what it is. So for example, 73 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: if you're procrastinating because you're exhausted, I think sometimes the 74 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: temptation is just to push on keep going, especially if 75 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: you've been sitting there doing something for a couple of hours. 76 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: You're like, no, I just need to finish, And sometimes 77 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: it's counterintuitive, but maybe stop, Like sometimes it isn't pushed through. 78 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: Sometimes if it's tiredness, you're actually not going to get 79 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: any clearer or any more energized by just sitting there 80 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: staring at the same thing over and over again. 81 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: So one thing. 82 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: That's really helped me is if that's the reason, if 83 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: it's tiredness or brain fog, I actually stop for a minute, 84 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: get up, maybe go for a walk, get a cup 85 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: of tea, come back and try again later. But sometimes 86 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: it might be that you need to break the circuit 87 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 2: just because you're emotionally flat. So sometimes I'll get up 88 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: and like you might need to go and do a workout. 89 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: Like sometimes the procrastination and leaving the task and coming 90 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: back is a good thing if it's not one of 91 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: those things, if it's not something that needs a bit 92 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 2: of action before you can keep going. The best thing 93 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: that I ever do is to break the big, scary, 94 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: overwhelming task into mini tasks and then give myself little 95 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: awards after each one. 96 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: Ooh, what's a reward? 97 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: Like if you do want to have a little scroll, 98 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I can't have a ten minute scroll 99 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: until I've done a thirty minute block of this hard task. 100 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 2: Or you know, I want my second coffee for the 101 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: day the afternoon slump, but actually I haven't earned that 102 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: yet because I haven't done thirty minutes of my work. 103 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 2: So I kind of build in little traits of things 104 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: that I would want. And I know it's probably not 105 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: like the best advice to use food as an incentivization. 106 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: But sometimes it's a snack. 107 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 2: It's like I can't go and get a snack, or 108 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: I can't go on my coffee break until I've done 109 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 2: this mini task and I actually think breaking it into 110 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: smaller tasks, you don't even need to think about tasks 111 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: two to ten. All you need to think about is 112 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: number one. And suddenly your brain it frees up so 113 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 2: much space for you to just begin because you're not 114 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 2: trying to begin the entire thing. You're just beginning this 115 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 2: small thing. It's less overwhelming. The fear that you get 116 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: from the size of the task is often what creates procrastinations. 117 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like dividing it into a list 118 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 2: makes things more manageable. And then the other thing that 119 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: I do is I actually just create obstacles for myself. 120 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: Like I know that my biggest destruction is social media. 121 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: For other people, it might be other things, it might 122 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: be TV, it might be whatever it is, but I 123 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: know that. You know, my problem is I want to scroll, 124 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: and then I say I'm going to scroll for five minutes, 125 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 2: and I get on a tangent and then like eight 126 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: hours later, I'm still sitting there. 127 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: You're just in the dark with your light on your face. 128 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Literally, I'm that mean. And so I make it 129 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: hard for myself. I put my phone like physically elsewhere, 130 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: so there's an obstacle. I'll turn it off, and like 131 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: it takes a little while for your phone to boot up, 132 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: and then when you pick up a phone that's off, 133 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 2: you can't say all your notifications or you turn your 134 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: notifications off. Like building in obstacles to the things that 135 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: allow you to procrastinate further. It's like hacking your own temptation. 136 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: You just remove the temptation. And it sounds really basic, 137 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: but sometimes I think humans are pretty basic. If there's 138 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 2: a distraction, remove it and then it's less distracting. 139 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 3: So true, especially with this phone scrolling thing, because I 140 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: do turn my phone off a lot of the time, 141 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 3: and I think when you do that, you also become 142 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 3: so hyperaware of exactly how much you pick up your 143 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: phone without even realizing you're doing it, like subconsciously, and 144 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 3: it's quite confronting. I pick up my phone so many 145 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: times without realizing I'm doing it. I have two tips 146 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: as well, because I am such a big procrastinator that 147 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,679 Speaker 3: these two things basically saved so much of my time 148 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 3: just from actually doing my work and not procrastinating. I'm 149 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: sure my mum managers are gonna love hearing this episode 150 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,559 Speaker 3: from me. But basically what I do is I first 151 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: I figured out my energy levels throughout the day because 152 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 3: everyone has different jumps and energy and you just have 153 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: to be just aware of your energy, figure out like 154 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 3: where you feel most productive. And I realize I'm not 155 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: a morning person, but I've had to become a morning 156 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 3: person because that's where all my energy goes. It's like 157 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: in the morning, if I do things, it has to 158 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: be done before eleven AM, because then I go into 159 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 3: a bit of a slump between like eleven and three, 160 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: and then I get another burst of energy after three pm. 161 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: And I know we're recording this at three pm. So 162 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: that's why I look a bit dull, well so proud. 163 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: And the funny thing is is that I'm so lucky 164 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: to be a creative here because it was actually my 165 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: producers who noticed my energy levels. And I realized that 166 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: a lot of my recordings end up being in the 167 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: mornings because I like, you sound like shit after three pm, 168 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: Like you. 169 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: Just some constructive criticism here, literally. 170 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: Just like after you've had lunch, like you can't get 171 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: anything good out of you. And I'm like, okay, that 172 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: makes sense. And because I am a big procrastinator as well, 173 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 3: So once I figured out my energy levels, I realized 174 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: that The method of choice for me to get work 175 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 3: done was eating the frog. I have to do the 176 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 3: hardest thing first, and then once I've done that thing, 177 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 3: I just end up doing everything else because you've got 178 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 3: the hard thing out of the way. So if you're 179 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: like me and you have a lot of energy in 180 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: the morning and you want to do everything in the morning, 181 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: try to eat the frog method. Because once you get 182 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 3: the hardest part of your workday out of the way, 183 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: if you're able to do so, everything else just seems 184 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: so much easier and you're less likely to procrastinate. It 185 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: is like the best thing I've ever tried. I also 186 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 3: wrote a piece of it, which will link in the 187 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 3: show notes because I tell everyone to eat the frog. 188 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: It's so good. 189 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so clever, because I do think 190 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 2: you can end up. You think you've sat down to 191 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 2: start the task you've been procrastinating about, but really you've 192 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: just been doing the busy work. It's like I did 193 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: the formatting. I literally chose the font, and it's like, 194 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 2: is that really did you really start or are you 195 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 2: just choosing the font? 196 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 3: Did you really start or you're just playing with your 197 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 3: color palette? Yeah? 198 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: Literally, But then one of the ones that actually I 199 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: forgot to mention at the start that is so so 200 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: basic and it's almost laughable that this is a tip, 201 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: but it actually really really helps me sometimes as well. 202 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 2: Is just count down from five. Like when you get 203 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: to zero, you just start like that's so good, just 204 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: sitting there, like you're just sitting there. 205 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: Going, oh, I can't. 206 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: Then you get up and you walking around, You get 207 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: a cup of tea, and then you're like, oh, I 208 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: probably need a Wii. You go where you come back, 209 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 2: like pacing around. Sometimes it's like just count have from 210 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: five and don't give yourself the option. When I get 211 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: to zero, I'm starting like there's no choice, and suddenly 212 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: you kind of can't procrastinate anymore because the countdown's counted down. 213 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: You know, we're at zero, it's two about a zero. 214 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: You got to do it. 215 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm going to try that next time 216 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: because that sounds right up my alley. So whoever's procrastinating 217 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: their work and listening to this episode right now, if 218 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 3: you're going to stop, you're going to do one task 219 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: and then you're going to come back and listen to 220 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 3: the rest of the episode right now. Okay, our second 221 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 3: question comes from Carly in Newcastle, and she says, I've 222 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: just started a new job and I'm desperate not to 223 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 3: be the forgettable new person. Beyond bringing treats and smiling, 224 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: what's one unexpected thing I can do to actually stand 225 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: out and make genuine connections? The office already has a 226 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: fun shirt guy and a sour dough lady. Help me 227 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 3: find my workplace identity without trying too hard or being weird. 228 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: Oh my god, this is really Sie. 229 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: I mean, Carly, I feel like you're doing so well 230 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: even by caring about this, Like, I love that you 231 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 2: want to be memorable. 232 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 3: I think also like beyond bringing treats and smiling, like 233 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 3: I'd love to be known as the girl who smiles, 234 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 3: like the smiling girl Like that's so sweet and I 235 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 3: love joice everyone. 236 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think my best advice on this one 237 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 2: is make it something you can sustain, Like, I think 238 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 2: it is easy to want to be like the fun 239 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: shirt guy or the sour dough lady or find your thing, 240 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 2: but don't force it if it's something that you're not, 241 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: because then once you're the sour dough lady, you've got 242 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: to bring sourdough for the rest of your time at 243 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: that workplace. 244 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: And that's expensive, right, Like you're also funding that, like 245 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: it's a side hustle that you're getting nothing out of it. 246 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 2: Like if you don't like making sourdo don't become the 247 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: sourdough lady because everyone is going to expect it from you. 248 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 2: You'll be memorable for the wrong reason if one day 249 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: you start trying to charge them for the sowdough that 250 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: you've been making this whole entire time. So main point 251 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: number one is, don't become the sourdoughd lady unless you're 252 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: really ready to commit. But point number two, if you 253 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 2: don't want to be the person who brings treats and 254 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: kind of does something that you know is kind of generic, 255 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: but you want to be memorable to make connections. One 256 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: thing that I always did, which I actually loved doing 257 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: because it was really rewarding for me as well to 258 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 2: learn interesting things about my colleagues that I otherwise wouldn't 259 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: is to make notes or don't even need to write 260 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: it down. But whenever someone mentions like, oh I did 261 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: that at golf on the weekend, or oh I did 262 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: that with my dog because I love you know, I 263 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 2: breed dogs, or my mom's a dog breeder, or I 264 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: have a dog grooming business on the side. Everyone will 265 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: drop a little fun fact about themselves at some point, 266 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: and instead of just bringing a random treat that's generic 267 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: to everyone, why don't you create some kind of thing 268 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: that you do with that person, whether it's bring them 269 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: a gift or send them a link to their email. 270 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: When you see that there's like if they have Golden Retrievers, 271 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 2: for example, you see an ad for the Golden Retriever 272 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: meet up boy, Like I think there was one in 273 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: in Melbourne recently that was like the most Golden Retrievers 274 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 2: ever in one spot and they said a Guinness World Record. 275 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 3: Like, oh my actual dream, Like that is what heaven 276 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 3: looks like to me. 277 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: Legit, but like if someone says that to you, if 278 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: you said that to me at work, then for me 279 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: to send you back that link one day and say 280 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: I saw this when I was like scrolling and it 281 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: made me think of you. That's how I feel like 282 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: you can create a really genuine connection that's so cute, 283 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: or bring them in like a cute dog treat that's 284 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: for their Golden Retriever, or you know, if it's a golfer, Like, 285 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: next time there's a tournament coming out, just say oh, 286 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: I saw that there were tickets or whatever it is. 287 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: I feel like there are ways that you can connect 288 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 2: with someone and they will remember you. Like you don't 289 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 2: have to be remembered by everyone is the same title. 290 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: You don't want to be the entire officer's funshirt guy. 291 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: You can just be the thoughtful person who remembered that. 292 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: I like golden retrievers. I feel like that's a really 293 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: cute way to do it. 294 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: That's so nice, that's actually so good. And also like 295 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 3: what people will love about you, Like I think even 296 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 3: outside of the workplace, anyone that like has showed that 297 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: they paid a teen to what you said and listen 298 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 3: and considered it and then thought of you when they 299 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 3: saw this thing. It's just so so nice. It's such 300 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 3: a good quality to have as a person in general. 301 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 3: And I also want to say that, like people could 302 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: just know you for just being Kali, like just being 303 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: a really nice, good coworker, Like you don't have to 304 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: have a stick or you don't have to have a thing, 305 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: because I think like people should just know you as 306 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 3: who you are as a person, then they should know 307 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: your name and just don't think too much into it 308 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 3: because it would just come naturally. 309 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: That's so true. Reminds me of oh my gosh, my 310 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: terrible memory. Guys. 311 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: If you've listened to a couple of episodes, you'll know 312 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: I have a really bad memory, and I can never 313 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 2: think of the powerful example that I'm going to remember it, 314 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: like Midnight Tonight, but there's a TV show where someone's 315 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: trying to manufacture their own nickname, and it's like, you 316 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: can't give yourself the nickname, like you have to wait 317 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: for it to come from what other people think of you. 318 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: So I also think, don't try and manufacture the thing 319 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: you remembered for, like you said, just be who you 320 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: are and let everyone decide thing that they love about you. 321 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: Like it's kind of nice to think that if other 322 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: people around you were asked what's the most memorable thing 323 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: about Carlie, that they would have a different answer to 324 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: what you might think. Like that's lovely about relationships. 325 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 3: Our next question comes from Drew and she says this 326 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: is all about how to navigate social media when you've 327 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: joined a workforce. So she said, I'm being flooded with 328 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 3: social media requests from older colleagues. At my new job, 329 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 3: I'm quite active on my personal account and prefer keeping 330 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: work and personal life separate to complicate matters. I don't 331 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 3: want to accept some colleagues requests while declining others. They 332 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: would know by now I've seen their requests. Help. What's 333 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 3: the most professional way to maintain my social media boundaries 334 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 3: without offending anyone? I actually have no answer for this. 335 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 3: I love how it's older colleagues. 336 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: If I left my job. That's a really interesting one, 337 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: and I think it's increasingly common because I don't know, 338 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, even this wasn't an issue 339 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: because you didn't really have social media. You didn't have 340 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: to worry about that, and if there were connections, it 341 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: was more professional anyway. 342 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: It was like LinkedIn. 343 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:19,239 Speaker 2: So I think, as someone whose entire life is social media, 344 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: including my career, like, I'm probably not the most qualified 345 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: to talk about the delineation of the two and. 346 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: Keeping them separate. 347 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: But when I was in corporate and I did want 348 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: to keep my career and even my side hustle very separate, 349 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: I didn't want anyone to know that we had started 350 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: the business when we did, so I didn't tell anyone 351 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: you have two options. You can either create two and 352 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: some people don't mind managing their work page and their 353 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: personal page. But that's more if you have a business 354 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: and if you don't, if you're at a workplace, it's 355 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 2: kind of a lot of effort to just create a 356 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: separate personal It's like two fake life the ones with 357 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: your work friends, and one isn't. Yeah, it's like yeah, literally, 358 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: it's like a finster. 359 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: I love this business so much, having a great here's love. 360 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: Extra learning, here's a financial review that I'm reading with 361 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 2: my green juice. I think that's probably a bit much 362 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: unless it's the case of having a business page in 363 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: a personal page. 364 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 3: And they've already had friend or requests from their personal 365 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: page as well, so they like their colleagues, have already 366 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: established they found the personal page. 367 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 2: And then I think in that situation, if you do 368 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: come to a position with some of your work friends 369 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 2: where you want them to be, you're not your real friends, 370 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: and you want to accept them, but you don't want 371 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: to accept everyone, I think you are going to have 372 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 2: to just accept that. You will probably offend some people, 373 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: like if they are going to know that you haven't 374 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: accepted their request, but you still don't want them to 375 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 2: be your friend. There's really no way around it. My 376 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: big thing is just make clear rules for you on 377 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: who's going to become a real life friend versus a 378 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: work friend. And when you let people cross that boundary, 379 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: people might get offended, but at least you know where 380 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: you stand. It's like, well, but we're not friends, we 381 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 2: don't hang out. Is the rule that we've got to 382 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 2: hang out outside of work? Is the rule that we 383 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 2: do other activities? Could you justify it to them if 384 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: they actually confronted you, like if they said, why didn't 385 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: you accept my request? Could you actually say, well, because 386 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 2: I have coffee with that person, I don't have coffee 387 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 2: with you. Like, if you could justify it, then you 388 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 2: shouldn't feel bad about it, even if they are offended. 389 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: If you can't justify it and it's simply because like 390 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't like your fashion or something, 391 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: then that's where it gets a little bit harder. But 392 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 2: it's your page. You don't owe them anything, So in 393 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: the end you probably just have to get comfortable with 394 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: the fact that you might offend some people. But that's 395 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 2: the same with everything in life. It's your page. You 396 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: don't know it to anybody. 397 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: It's so true, But I could personally never I'd be like, 398 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 3: I'll accept you right now, here's some money, take everything. 399 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 2: No, same, I mean. My other thing is, I'm so 400 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 2: curious that your colleagues would know that you'd accepted some 401 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: people and not others, Like how would they know that? 402 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: That's really interesting the level of forensic. 403 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 3: If it was on Instagram and they went back Injury's profile, 404 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: they would see followed by and then mutuals Oh yeah, okay. 405 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 3: You probably could be confronted. 406 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: You got to be brutal. Would someone actually ask you that? 407 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 3: I don't think anyone would actually say, hey, you haven't 408 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 3: accepted my friend request. But also I don't know who 409 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: like these people, Like they could be like boomers who 410 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 3: are just like think that it's all free for all. 411 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 3: Like my mum is someone who would definitely be like, hey, 412 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: you haven't accepted my friend request. 413 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but my mom also thinks that like people's pages, 414 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: like the newsfeed, she gets confused about what's public. Like 415 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: sometimes she'd be like, oh, yeah, I thought that there 416 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 2: was an update on the news or something. I'm like, no, 417 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 2: that was a comment on someone else's wat like Yeah, 418 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: it's a messy. 419 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: It's messy out there, guys. 420 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 3: It's a messy, so be prepared to have the conversation. 421 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 3: But also, if I just started a new job and 422 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 3: all my colleagues suddenly wanted to be friends with me 423 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 3: on social media, I'd be really excited about that. 424 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: It's a compliment, for sure. 425 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 3: It's so good. But I guess that's just me and 426 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 3: how I think about myself. That's a whole other thing 427 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 3: to unpack. 428 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 2: I also think, think about what you like post, Like 429 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 2: what do you use your social media for? And do 430 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 2: you want to have to think every time you post 431 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 2: my work friends are on here? 432 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 3: Oh that's such a good point. That's probably what Drew's 433 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 3: dealing with. 434 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 2: Like, what's worse than not accepting someone and then knowing 435 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 2: about it is you accepting them and then defriending them. 436 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: That's way worse. 437 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 3: Or constantly having to like upload and then realize and 438 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 3: then delete and then add close friends and then it's 439 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: this whole thing. It's going to be like management. 440 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: It's going to be too much admin. 441 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 3: Oh, good luck, Drew, that's just so much you're gonna 442 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: have to think about. 443 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: But we were pretty useless on that question. 444 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 3: We made this question way deeper than it needed to be. 445 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 3: Please don't smile. Well, thank you so much for helping 446 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 3: us clear the biz Inbox. If you have a work question, 447 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 3: send it our way. You will find a link to 448 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 3: submit your questions in the show notes. 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Guys. 459 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 2: If you like this episode, there is a whole lot 460 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: more over on the biz podcast, which we'll link in 461 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 2: our show notes. I'll catch you next time And in 462 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: the meantime, I hope you're seizing your yeay.