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Speaker 2: You're in A Runner podcast series is brought to you

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Speaker 3: It just gives me time to think through a lot

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Speaker 3: You need to keep checking on yourself or you can

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Speaker 3: get carried away and or too hard. I think you

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Speaker 3: shouldn't be limited by other people's limitations. You know, nobody

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Speaker 3: else knows what you're capable of, others than yourself.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the cs the YA Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 4: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 4: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 4: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 4: one way. So this is the platform to hear and

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Speaker 4: explore the stories of those who found lives.

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Speaker 2: They adore the good, bad and ugly. The best and

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Speaker 2: worst day will bear all the facets of seizing your

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Speaker 2: I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer

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Speaker 2: turned funentrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels to co

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Speaker 2: found Matcha Maiden and Matcha Milkbar. CZA is a series

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Speaker 2: of conversations on finding a life you love and exploring

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Speaker 2: the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way.

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Speaker 4: Shanade, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Hey Sarah, it is lovely to see you again.

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Speaker 2: Are you too where you were so so lucky to

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Speaker 2: have Shanade come and give us a session before my

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Speaker 2: first half marathon two years ago, which was the very

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Speaker 2: very early beginnings into running. And Sharnade's been such an

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Speaker 2: inspiration to me for really embracing something that you never

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Speaker 2: knew that you loved or knew that you enjoyed and

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Speaker 2: coming into it later. I mean, Shanada has literally gone

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Speaker 2: from it consultant to olympian, which is extraordinary. So I'm

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Speaker 2: so excited. I feel like the way that you converted

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Speaker 2: running lovers at the end of this episode.

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Speaker 1: So I'm so excited to have you here now.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: So, I think one of the most wonderful things about

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Speaker 2: your journey and we'll get into it in more detail,

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Speaker 2: But guys, if you didn't already know. Shaned started running

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Speaker 2: So if any of you are sitting there fearful of

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Speaker 2: you didn't start running when you were six, or you

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Speaker 2: you know, you could always find a ya that you

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to just ask a couple of intro

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Speaker 2: It's so easy to walk into your life at this

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Speaker 2: well is that you already were making such amazing times

438
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 2: and that's before you sort of had the right coach,

439
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 2: the right Like it's really interesting how much training is

440
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,439
Speaker 2: off the track or out like non running that actually

441
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 2: helps you run, and then getting the right gear and

442
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: then becoming a Nike athlete and then getting the right

443
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 2: support like you were already amazing before that, let alone

444
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 2: when you add all those other ingredients in which I.

445
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 1: Didn't realize actually made so much difference.

446
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, then headed to Tokyo at the age of forty

447
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 2: four and became I love how they even word this

448
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 2: the oldest athletic competitor to represent Australia. I would say,

449
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 2: the wisest and the most impressive. Amazingly, I mean you

450
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 2: came top ten.

451
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's been probably my best my best race,

452
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 3: and you know, it's a good time. That's very so far.

453
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 3: It was a good time for it to all come together. Yeah.

454
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 3: I was really excited by that because a lot went

455
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Speaker 3: into that, and with the whole postponement of the Olympics

456
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 3: as well, you know by a year, thought gosh, that's

457
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 3: not good for me. But in the end it actually

458
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 3: I was in better shape, you know, in twenty twenty

459
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 3: one than I would have been the previous year, So

460
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 3: it all, you know, worked out in the end for Yeah,

461
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 3: it was an amazing experience and I hope to do

462
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: it again in twenty twenty four.

463
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Speaker 1: Oh God, I love you.

464
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Speaker 2: I think also one thing that I mean, obviously you

465
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: have a lot, I mean an incredible natural running talent.

466
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: I think something that you've reminded me a lot, and

467
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 2: back in twenty nineteen did the same, is that physically

468
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 2: running is you know, you've got to put in the work,

469
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: You've got to get the time on feet, you've got

470
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 2: to get the right gear. You know, you've got to

471
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: have a lot of elements of training and preparation right.

472
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 2: But actually it's your mind that will give up first

473
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 2: in most cases, Like it's you talking yourself out of it,

474
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: or you just giving up halfway through exists too hard,

475
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 2: or you know, it's the mindset that actually gets you

476
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 2: over the line much more than your body. I feel

477
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 2: like your mind often gives up before your body does.

478
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 2: So what goes heahue in a run?

479
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Speaker 3: And I think that's really in particular relevant to the

480
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: marathon because it's such a long distance and you have

481
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 3: so much time to think and talk yourself out of

482
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 3: finishing and to convince yourself it's too hard. But and

483
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: with running in general, it's like it's really tough sometimes,

484
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 3: like it's this daily or if not twice daily thing

485
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: that you have to do, and on Instagram and everything,

486
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 3: it might look really easy, and you know, athletes just

487
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 3: like glide on through and it's really easy. But it's

488
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 3: not that like that at all. It's really hard to

489
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: you know, get through the training and that, but you

490
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: know it's worth it in the end, I think, And

491
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 3: it does take a strong mindset, definitely. I think I've

492
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Speaker 3: often heard it said that the marathon is, you know,

493
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Speaker 3: mostly mentally tough rather than physically tough, and I would

494
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Speaker 3: agree with that because for the first half of the race,

495
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 3: you're running probably pretty comfortably, so you have a lot

496
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Speaker 3: of time to think about and freak yourself out about

497
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 3: the you know, second finishing and and half and hitting

498
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: the wall and everything. People have asked me before what

499
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 3: I think about doing a marathon, and so I was

500
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: thinking about this when I rased London just two weeks ago,

501
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 3: because I can't normally I can't remember, but I generally

502
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,719
Speaker 3: zone out quite a bit in the marathon because if

503
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 3: I start to think about things too much, I kind

504
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 3: of lose focus of it. So really for this race,

505
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Speaker 3: I was just thinking about my next drink stop or

506
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 3: how my body was feeling, and it wasn't feeling great

507
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: in this race, so I could feel like every bump

508
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 3: on the road, I remember thinking God, I've raised this

509
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 3: race before and I don't remember all these hills and

510
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 3: I don't remember all these pottles, so it's funny I

511
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 3: tied a zone out. I think that's the really helps

512
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 3: me in the marathon, and just kind of at each

513
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Speaker 3: five k just recognize that's another five k down, and

514
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 3: you know, and you're at thirty before you kind of

515
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 3: realize it. And then really that's when it gets starts

516
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 3: to get really tough, I think. But then at that stage,

517
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 3: you know you've gone to thirty k, there's no point

518
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 3: in thrown in the towel. At that point you really

519
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 3: gotta go hard from then, I think.

520
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 2: I think that's really this is why it's so useful

521
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,479
Speaker 2: to have you here, because I think people do look

522
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: at your Instagram and you've you know, done the Olympics

523
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 2: and then off the back of that, you just did

524
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: London and came twelfth, and in your mind you were like, oh,

525
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: that was hard, Like I didn't really prep that much,

526
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 2: and we were all like, you came twelfth, dude, and

527
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: like one of the hardest marathons in the world. But

528
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: it's interesting to know that buying the scenes just because

529
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: you're good at it doesn't mean that you run a

530
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: forty two kilometers and just think it's chill the entire time.

531
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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you don't hurt. It doesn't mean you

532
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: don't have the same mental hurdles that we have as

533
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Speaker 2: you hit twenty and thirty.

534
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Speaker 1: So it's fascinating to.

535
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Speaker 2: Know that you find the zone helpful because I've found,

536
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Speaker 2: even in a ten which feels really long to me,

537
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: that half of it's the mind game of tricking myself

538
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: into not overthinking how far I've got to go until

539
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 2: I'm here's the five and then suddenly you can go, oh, well,

540
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Speaker 2: in one k, there's only one k to like one

541
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Speaker 2: k from one k. Do you listen to music to

542
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: get in that zone? Do you get into podcasts like

543
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: what are your kind of strategies to ignore the pain

544
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: or the overwhelm when you're in that first half, just

545
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: to get you through to the second where you can

546
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: start to go, okay, I'm halfway through.

547
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: I've got that under my belt.

548
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: In training, I would listen to podcasts and music on

549
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 3: my easy runs. I find that really useful, even though

550
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of elite athletes do that

551
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 3: for some reason, but I find it really I can

552
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Speaker 3: get through you know, an hour or two hour on

553
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: much easier if I'm listening to a podcast or listen

554
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Speaker 3: to music. It just helps me definitely. But then in

555
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Speaker 3: the faster stuff, like when I'm doing like Tuesday speed

556
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Speaker 3: sessions or threshold runs on Thursday or Friday, I wouldn't

557
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Speaker 3: listen to anything because I need to focus just completely

558
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 3: on how I'm feeling physically, because it's they're the tougher sessions.

559
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: And then in a race, I would never listen to anything.

560
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Speaker 3: I don't think you're actually allowed because you need to

561
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,959
Speaker 3: be aware of everything that's going on around you. But

562
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: I would find it really annoying actually to listen to

563
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: anything when I'm working that hard. So I just focus

564
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: on making sure that I'm aware of how I'm feeling

565
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: and how my body is feeling so that I'm not

566
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: going too hard. I want to feel like I'm running

567
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: comfortably hard. So you need to keep checking on yourself

568
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: or you can get carried away and go too hard,

569
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: or you can also you know, zone out too much

570
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 3: and then realize you're just kind of not really at

571
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 3: pace at all. You've fallen back quite a bit. I

572
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 3: just enjoying it going. Yeah, that's great, but so you

573
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: really I really need to focus and yeah, I think

574
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: it's actually harder for the first half because it feels

575
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Speaker 3: much easier. So there's all that thinking time. I find

576
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Speaker 3: that when it gets physically really tough, my mind switches

577
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: off and all I'm thinking about is, you know, getting

578
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Speaker 3: the next k, the next k, the next k. So

579
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Speaker 3: I think mentally it's the first part of the marathon

580
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 3: that's the hardest, and then it gets physically hard in

581
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Speaker 3: the second half.

582
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Speaker 1: Right, that's so interesting. Oh my gosh. So what would

583
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: you say?

584
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Speaker 2: Like the submitted questions have almost all been either around

585
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: nutrition and the warm up and warm down, like the

586
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: sort of ancillary things which I do want to get

587
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: into with you. But the main thing has been how

588
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 2: do you build up distance gradually? And I can't say

589
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Speaker 2: that you did it gradually exactly because you came straight

590
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: out into a really fast marathon. But in terms of

591
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: like you mentioned speed sessions, threshold runs, like what are

592
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 2: they and how have you other than just running and

593
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: trying to get one more OK than you did last time?

594
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: Like what is your advice for people who were doing

595
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Speaker 2: their first marathon or their first half to go from

596
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: sort of zero to adding a kilometer on and then

597
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: slowly getting faster at that distance. How do you build

598
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: that up?

599
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Speaker 3: It might seem like I just kind of went out

600
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Speaker 3: and ran a marathon, but I was thirty eight thirty

601
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: seven before, and so I've been running for four years

602
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: before I tried marathon distance. So when I started running,

603
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: I started I think my first race was a ten

604
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 3: k so and I did that for a while, just

605
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: five and ten k's, and then eventually I built up

606
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 3: to a half marathon and did a few half marathons.

607
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 3: So I had a lot of years of just doing

608
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: that distance before I built up to the marathon. It's

609
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 3: all about gradual increases. If I was a non runner,

610
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: I wouldn't go straight into training for a marathon because

611
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 3: I think you can do it. But I think after

612
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: the race, you know physically you might be It might

613
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: be so good for your body. You don't want to

614
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 3: just get through it either. You know you want to

615
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: enjoy it, and you know get the time that you

616
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: think you know that you can run. So I would

617
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: build up and start doing I think ten k races

618
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: are good. Ten k road races build up to that actually,

619
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Speaker 3: and now that we have park run and everything, so

620
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: that's a five k distance. Doing that every week would really.

621
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Speaker 2: Help that Saturday mornings, isn't it like all around the

622
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: world people run five k's on a Saturday.

623
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that would be a really good thing, and

624
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 3: it's that would really help. I think, just kind of

625
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: structuring your training week as well. And then yeah, then

626
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: enter maybe there's quite a few ten k road races

627
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: on in Australia. Usually not this year, but hopefully next

628
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: year we'll be back with races again. And then yeah,

629
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Speaker 3: I look to do and a half. And then when

630
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Speaker 3: you're kind of fit ish, you know you have a

631
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Speaker 3: base level building up to a marathon. Isn't that difficult then,

632
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: because you know you would need about twelve to sixteen

633
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: weeks of training and you build up a little bit

634
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: each week so it's not as daunting. So what you

635
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 3: start at and where your final week of training is

636
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: significantly different, but you've just built that gradually up each week.

637
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: So you know, if you're doing start at an hour,

638
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 3: but then the following week you do an hour and

639
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: ten minutes, the following week an hour and twenty minutes.

640
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: Like you wouldn't just go from zero to hero really quickly,

641
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: otherwise you know you're on the risk of injury. So

642
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: it's all about just gradual increases in distance, I think,

643
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: for yeah, over a longer period of time.

644
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, which is how we've been doing it, like

645
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: sort of going out for an eight and then one

646
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: day I will have done like you know, a couple

647
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: of weeks of eight, and then it'll feel good.

648
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: So I go, I think I could.

649
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: Like maybe try ten this week, and then when I

650
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: have cometh ten and then at the goal for the

651
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: next week becomes okay, well, now you know you can

652
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: do ten, so you can try and do ten again.

653
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: And what about when you start, like would you say,

654
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Speaker 2: adding like a kilometer or two kilometers on the end

655
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: sort of gradually is how you would build up to

656
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: the distance.

657
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: Well, so say, for example, every time I start a

658
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: marathon block, So even though I'm training all year around,

659
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: a marathon block is different because it's so intense and

660
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: it's so long. So I would start my threshold sessions

661
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: would be seven by two k, so two k isn't

662
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: that big a distance, But then the following week I

663
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: would do six by three k, and then the following

664
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: week I would do five by four k, so the

665
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: distance is increasing each week as I get fitter and fitter.

666
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: But I would definitely start at the easier the seven

667
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: x two k would be my starting point and then

668
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: gradually build up each week.

669
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: Right, did you ever do walk runs like when you

670
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: were coming into a new distance, Like if you wanted

671
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: to go from say ten to fifteen, that you'd go

672
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: up to fifteen, but you'd walk bits, run bits, walk

673
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: bits until the walking bit got shorter, Like I know

674
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: some people kind of increase their distance, is that way?

675
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think and a lot of time if especially

676
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: if I'm coming back from injury or after I had

677
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: my second second child era. You know, that's how my

678
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: training started. Like I would run for a couple of minutes,

679
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: walk and then the walk part just got a little

680
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: bit shorter as I as I built up. So then

681
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: eventually you're doing you know, ten minutes in one stint

682
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: and then fifteen. So you just it's all about like

683
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: making small increments all the time, and then those small

684
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: increments but after you know, three months is significant. Yeah,

685
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: you know, increase, but yeah, the main thing is to

686
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: not do it too quickly and just to gradually increase. Yeah,

687
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: each week.

688
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: What about in terms of pace, like, once you've gotten

689
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: to a particular distance that's feeling quite comfortable. Quite a

690
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: few questions have been around plateauing at a certain distance

691
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: where that feels comfortable, but you just can't get faster.

692
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: I kind of throw, like I get in a really

693
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: bad habit of just like throwing repetition at the problem,

694
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: Like I'll do the same pen over and over.

695
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: And be like, why am I getting faster?

696
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: But I'm like, even you saying that you have a

697
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: speed work like, I'm guessing that that's you run shorter

698
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 2: runs but faster, Like how do you break through a

699
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: speed plateau?

700
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: That's funny. When I started training, actually first that's what

701
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: I used to do is ten k each week. So

702
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: I pick one day each week and I would try

703
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: and get faster each week.

704
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: I think you just hope that you would be faster.

705
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: It works for a while, but then then you plata.

706
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: That's just totally is if you don't do anything else

707
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: on a plateau, I think. And then I from then

708
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: started to introduce speed sessions on a Tuesday, and those

709
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 3: are always different, so it's like not always eight by

710
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: a k, there be you know four by ak and

711
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: a lap of the Tan maybe or do some five

712
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: hundreds or two k reps. It's always changing just to

713
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 3: keep it all just so that you're not plateauing and

714
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: that you're mixing it up because then you have you

715
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: get improvements during those sessions without really realizing it, and

716
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 3: then you can go back and do eight bi a

717
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: k again you realize, actually, I'm faster now than I was,

718
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: you know a few weeks ago when I tried this.

719
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: Also with you know, if you're running say a ten k,

720
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Speaker 3: and you're doing your threshold and you're just trying to

721
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 3: improve that each week, a better way to approach it

722
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 3: if you want to get faster, would be to break

723
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: it up. So that's I think the thinking behind our

724
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: threshold runs where we do seven by two k so

725
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: that two k is at a certain pace. But like

726
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: the idea is to build up to like two by

727
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: ten k or twenty k run. But I'd never if

728
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 3: I started my just went straight into a twenty k RN,

729
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: I'd never do it at the pace I would do

730
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 3: after just gradually increasing each week. So I know at

731
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 3: the start of a marathon block, I can do two

732
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: k at whatever pace and by the end of the

733
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 3: whole block. I'll then eventually be able to do twenty

734
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: k at that pace, but I wouldn't have been able

735
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 3: to do that at the start. So you just have

736
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: to increase each week a little bit, like those reps

737
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: just get a little bit longer. Yeah, so you should

738
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: if you want to get faster, I guess break your

739
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: threshold into smaller bits.

740
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Speaker 1: So it's threshold like the distance that you're aiming for.

741
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: So threshold is like the runs that you do at

742
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: kind of race pace. A lot of people do have

743
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 3: different approaches to the threshold run, but for the for

744
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: our threshold sessions, it's those like seven by two k,

745
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 3: six by three k and the building up to make

746
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: that into a longer session at race pace. So you

747
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: just get longer, longer and longer at race space.

748
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 2: And then your speed runs are when you're like sprinting

749
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: for those shorter distances. So you'd have one day where

750
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: it's like sprinting faster than your race pace, but in

751
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: small sessions, and then threshold is at the pace that

752
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: you want, but broken out.

753
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: Apace, yeah, at race space, and then just increasing the

754
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: distance so you eventually get closer to your race distance.

755
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: As well. Yeah, on tuesdays we do speed sessions, so

756
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: like eight by k for example, and they would be

757
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 3: not sprinting, but a lot faster than race pace because

758
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: you get a minute recovery after each one, so you

759
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: can just you can go faster for the shorter distances

760
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: and that really helps. Yeah, yeah, keep you, keep you fast. Yeah.

761
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: Wow.

762
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: And what on a threshold day, if you were doing

763
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 2: say a three by eight k, what would your break

764
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: be in between those three blocks?

765
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 3: So it's usually around two minutes and.

766
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: Sometimes like half an hour.

767
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: Oh right, no, either, it starts with the float recovery,

768
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: so by that I would mean that I don't slow

769
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: down to a jog. I'd keep it kind of slower

770
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 3: than race base, but still maintaining an effort. But then

771
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 3: as the reps get longer, so as I move into

772
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: like five y four k or whatever, generally we'd have

773
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 3: a standing recovery of maybe two minutes, right, personal.

774
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: That's so interesting.

775
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: It's amazing how that two minutes doesn't sound like a lot,

776
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 3: but you actually do recover quite a bit. Yeah, and

777
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: it does help a lot.

778
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: I even find if I have to stop at a

779
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: traffic light like I used to get really frustrated because

780
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: it would break my flow and your mindset gets like

781
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: you have to pause and everything. But even just like

782
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: a thirty second like stationary moment, then I'd be so

783
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: much fresher when I start again. I'm like, oh, that's

784
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: actually awesome.

785
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it does help.

786
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: Well, that's so useful to know that just flogging the

787
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: same exact distance and expecting your pace to increase is

788
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: probably not going to actually work on. What about warm

789
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: up and warm down? Because I think, particularly when you're

790
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: running for your mental health, that when I really need

791
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: to just get out of the house and just run,

792
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 2: I want to go like I would just want to start.

793
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: I don't want to like wait through a warm up

794
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: and then when I finish, I just want to like

795
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: eat my food, and I forget to warm down. But

796
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: it makes a really big difference, like how many days

797
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: I have to wait until I could do another long run, yeah,

798
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: or I'll be so much slower the next time I

799
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: go out. So I'm realizing that that extra affidity the

800
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: end really avoids injury and it helps you actually improve

801
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: quicker if you're kind of taking care of your muscles

802
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: on either side. So what do you do for a

803
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: warm up and a warm down, and then are there

804
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: any tricks for particularly with those longer distances recovery like

805
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: baths or you know, EBB, some salts like what has

806
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: helped you around the run.

807
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 3: So I would do a warm up and a cool

808
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: down on my session days. So before a speed session,

809
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: I'd warm up for twenty minutes, so just twenty minutes

810
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: easy jogging, and then the same for the cool down

811
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: after the session. But for all my other ones, I

812
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 3: just because it's easy running, I don't need to warm

813
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 3: up and cool down. And so if I'm running for

814
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: an hour at an easy recovery pace, I'll just go

815
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: out the door, run from the door, you know, do

816
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 3: a couple of laps of the park and then straight

817
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: back and that's it. But where you're working harder and

818
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: you're focused on speed or your threshold, you need to

819
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 3: make sure your body's warmed up otherwise you're gonna likely

820
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: this is just a higher risk of getting an injury.

821
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 3: And then if you could, if you don't cool down,

822
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 3: you're just going to be really sore the next day,

823
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 3: like really sore and really stiff. It's really important after

824
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: a hard session to cool down and I've actually found

825
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: that I stopped stretching for a while after the harder

826
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: sessions just because I didn't have time and a lot

827
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: of people seem to not do it around me. But

828
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: I think as a result of that, I got much

829
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 3: stiffer for a while. So I've reintroduced stretching again. I

830
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: think it's really important. So yeah, I need to make

831
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: a point of doing that now, so after any hard session,

832
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 3: I'll do that. Other recovery things, I think the main

833
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 3: thing for me, I've found that I need to get

834
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 3: to have a protein drink or something after the harder

835
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: sessions because often I don't really feel like eating, and

836
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 3: like I could go for maybe two hours and be

837
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: like I really don't feel like eating, and that's really

838
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: bad for your recovery. So now I always make a

839
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: point of having a protein shaken or any any kind

840
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 3: of shake, like even like a banana smoothie or something

841
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: straight after, and that's really helped the recovery as well.

842
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 3: I did icepats for a while, but I haven't done

843
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 3: They're not very nice. I haven't done them for a while.

844
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if they help or not, but I

845
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 3: think some people find them useful but I think the

846
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: biggest recovery thing is sleep. Really. I know it's like

847
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 3: everyone says it, but it's really important. I think, Yeah,

848
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: it's definitely something that I would lack in, but you know,

849
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: I try to make a point of especially if I'm

850
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: building up for a big race, that you know, I

851
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 3: get to bid relatively early and try and get a

852
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 3: decent night sleeping.

853
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: I find even with a shorter run, if I haven't

854
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: had a good run of sleeping, that I'd like. I

855
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: went out the other day just to do a three

856
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: k because that's all I had time for, and I

857
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: run slower than my last ten k because my body

858
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: was like.

859
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like that builds off as well over time,

860
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 3: Like if you're just not getting enough sleep, you just

861
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 3: get really fatigued. And yeah, it's really hard to get

862
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: motivated as well when you're lucking in sleep.

863
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, And the biggest question that I have

864
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: for you, in particular nutrition not just like before a

865
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: race and after a race, but particularly during is something

866
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: that I think people really struggle with because if you're

867
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 2: not used to it, Like I don't like shop blocks

868
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: or whatever, but I'm also not used to them. So

869
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: every time I've tried to eat during a race, I

870
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: get a stitch or I suddenly have a toilet event

871
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: and it's awkward and then you have to stop. So

872
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: then if you don't eat before a race, I can't

873
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 2: make the distance because I've got no fuel in my tank.

874
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: So how do you eat like the night before? How

875
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 2: do you make sure you've got fuel before a run

876
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: but it's not going to upset your stomach, And then

877
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 2: how do you eat during a run?

878
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was something that took me quite a few

879
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: years to figure out and quite a few not so

880
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: great marathon experiences to figure out what worked for me.

881
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 3: And it's funny because I always had an issue with

882
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 3: all the goose and the gels and all of that.

883
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: But since I've switched to Morton, that's been much better

884
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 3: for me. And I'm not like trying to plug Morton

885
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: or whatever, but it's just something that works for me.

886
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: And I think that's why in training is important for

887
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: everyone to figure out what sits well in their own stomach,

888
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: because what works for one person isn't going to work

889
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: for another. And there's a big thing at the moment

890
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 3: about training your gut. So what that's about is like

891
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 3: what you plan to have during your race. You need

892
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: to practice that in training otherwise your god isn't going

893
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 3: to cope well with it. So you kind of like

894
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: for me, in a marathon block, I would have some morton.

895
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: I'd start off with maybe just like one gel or

896
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: one drink mix for a session, and then increase that

897
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: as I go each week, just to train my gut

898
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 3: a bit better and so then for race day. I've

899
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: had no issues with my stomach since then, which has been,

900
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: you know, amazing, because it can really derail your race

901
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: obviously if you have to try and stuff search for

902
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: a toilet and that, it's really frustrating. But yeah, the

903
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 3: important thing is to train your gut. I think it's

904
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 3: just just get it ready.

905
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and do you eat before a rice?

906
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: So before a marathon, I would eat three hours usually beforehand.

907
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: I would have like toast, banana and peanut butter, which

908
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 3: is what I have before every training session. So yeah,

909
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have any any additional or anything like that

910
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: because I've already done two days of carbloading by then,

911
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: so I don't feel like I need to have this

912
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 3: massive breakfast before a race, and definitely get it and

913
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: have it three hours beforehand, so you know, it's kind

914
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 3: of cleared out, almost out of your go before you start.

915
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 3: And then yeah, I used to have a banana I

916
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: think an hour beforehand, but I actually haven't done that

917
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 3: for a while. I think generally because I'm like sipping

918
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 3: on Morton or whatever before the race and the night before.

919
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 3: It's important as well what you eat, so I've kind

920
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: of figured out what I like. I just like to

921
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: have like rice and chicken, like really plain, bland foods,

922
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: nothing with too much fiber in it. Yeah, this is

923
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: only really before the marathon. For other race distances, I'm

924
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: not as not as pedantic about things, like I'll just

925
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: eat whatever. I'll still have the same breakfast before a

926
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 3: ten k or a half marathon, and then you don't

927
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 3: need to do carbloading before those races, so it's a

928
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: lot simpler, and you don't need to fuel during those

929
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: races either, so I find them much easier. So I

930
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 3: don't stress about it as much. But it's a big

931
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: part of the marathon and you have to be careful

932
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 3: with it otherwise. Yeah, obviously you can really derail your race,

933
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: regardless of how fit you are, if you don't get

934
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: the nutrition part right, you know, yeah, you.

935
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even realize that you're supposed to like

936
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: it because it's just so long. It's actually going to

937
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: be really hard for you to finish if you don't

938
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: fuel during it. And I always just thought the easiest

939
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 2: way to avoid a bell issue on the track is

940
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 2: just not to eight. But obviously then you just don't

941
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: have anything to run with.

942
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: You're on the risk then of anything over in ninety minutes,

943
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: you're on the risk of, like I think it's ninety

944
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: minutes that you're on the risk of running out of glycogen,

945
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: so you like you hit the wall, so you can't

946
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: you just don't have the energy to continue. So that's

947
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 3: why you know, it's a good idea in the marathon

948
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: to start fueling early as well, because often you might

949
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: you might not want it later in the race, and

950
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: then it's kind of I found that I can skip

951
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: a few drink stations and not have something, So we

952
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: generally have the option of having something every five k,

953
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: So I would start like five k and ten k

954
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: and fifteen and then by the time I get to halfway,

955
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if I miss a few after that,

956
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: because I'm already kind of fueled up.

957
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: So do you carry your gels with you or your blocks?

958
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 2: Like how do you carry it all?

959
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: So generally at races they have like personal drink stops

960
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 3: for the elite runners and you can leave your drink

961
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: or gela, so everyone doesn't have this, But generally in

962
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: most marathons they have like refreshment stations for everyone, so

963
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: there's drinks in that. But if you want your own stuff,

964
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 3: like I would if I was in that situation, I

965
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 3: would carry the jails on me like I already carry

966
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 3: jails on me in case I missed my drinks, so

967
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 3: I would just tub them stuffed into my sports bra.

968
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: I'm glad you do that too.

969
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, it's not just amateurs who like carry

970
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: things in their bra.

971
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: No, I would stick your three in there if I

972
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 3: if needed.

973
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: If you don't like those, I know a lot of

974
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 2: people really don't like the really glycogeny kind of jelly things.

975
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: Is there any alternative like bits of banana or like

976
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: dried fruit? Like do you know any runners who use

977
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: anything else? Or is that just really what long distance

978
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: like they're built for them.

979
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 3: I don't know anyone using anything else, especially during the race,

980
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 3: because even though you might like that stuff when you're

981
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: not running, when you're racing, you.

982
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: Probably wouldn't want anything else.

983
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think I would like it. Yeah,

984
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: I don't think you would like it because I really

985
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: don't like the texture of the gels either, and normally

986
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 3: in training it's difficult for me to get them into me.

987
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 3: But in a race, I just I just get over that. Yeah,

988
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: and as long as my stomach sits well with it,

989
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: I'll just get the gel into me.

990
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: What about running, like hydrating water wise and not getting

991
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: a stitch, That's another question that's come up quite a lot.

992
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 2: Is that practice as well, like just practicing?

993
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 3: I think so. Yeah. I remember in a half marathon

994
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: actually on the Sunshine Coast, I was trying to practice

995
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: my hydration for the marathon and I remember getting I

996
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 3: had a Morten drink at what I can't remember, fifteen

997
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 3: K or something, and I like knocked it back as

998
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 3: quick as I could because I didn't want to carry

999
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 3: the bottle, and then I got this massive stitch for

1000
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: the next three k. I was like, oh my god.

1001
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 3: So for me, I found that if I when I drink,

1002
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 3: if I just sip it and I have like a

1003
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 3: small bottle and I'll just hold it for like over

1004
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: a kilometer and I'll just sip and sip and I

1005
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 3: don't get a stitch, like if I do it that way,

1006
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: but if I knock it back too quickly, I'll get

1007
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: a stitch. Yeah, And again that's something you can practice

1008
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: in training. You can see how you know it works

1009
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 3: for you, and that that's why it's a good idea,

1010
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 3: you know to yeah, to practice, to practice and get

1011
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: drinks into your training is just see how it sits

1012
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 3: with you because it's different for everyone.

1013
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: It's so interesting that that's such a big piece of advice, Like,

1014
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: of course it's so obvious you practice everything else, why

1015
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: would you not practice drinking and eating? And yet yeah,

1016
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: I always am like, hey it's race day, I'm going

1017
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: to try something brand new. Yeah what about then? This

1018
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: is like again one of the things that has come

1019
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 2: up the most and mainly because I've feeled it because

1020
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: I want to know answer how do you manage toilet stops?

1021
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: Like do you just train your bow and bladder to

1022
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: not need to go like over time? Do you just

1023
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: kind of work that out or do you stop a

1024
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: lot when you first start doing long distances, like how

1025
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: do you figure out toilets?

1026
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: You know, it's really funny because I think that was

1027
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 3: one of I think my major concerns before I started

1028
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: doing marathons was that I was like, oh my God.

1029
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: And anyone I've spoken to has had the same concern,

1030
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 3: but it has I think only once it's been an

1031
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: issue for me and all of the other owners that

1032
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 3: I know that do marathons. It's only one person that

1033
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 3: I know who had to stop and use the toilet.

1034
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: Got Yeah.

1035
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 3: I think again that is about training your god and

1036
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 3: getting used to it. And you don't need to really

1037
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 3: unless it's a hot day. You don't really need to

1038
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 3: hydrate that much in a marathon, like you need to

1039
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 3: get your carbs into with your gel or your carb drink,

1040
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: but you don't need to drink lots and lots unless

1041
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: it's really hot, like say in Supporo this year, we

1042
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 3: had to like hydrate a lot. We had to make

1043
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 3: sure to get water in because yeah, it was so

1044
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 3: hot and humid. And even after that race, I had

1045
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: drank something every five k and my stomach was really

1046
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 3: upset actually after that race, but I I was brought

1047
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: in for drug testing afterwards, and I couldn't pee for

1048
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: a couple of hours, so dehydrated, like really dehydrated. Yeah,

1049
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 3: And I drank in the open control. I drank like

1050
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 3: about four or six hundred mil bottles and I was

1051
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: still sitting there going, oh my god. Eventually I peed

1052
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: and it was still really dark, like really dehydrated.

1053
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh.

1054
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I mean I don't even run a

1055
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 2: full marathon and I still always somehow have a toilet event.

1056
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: I think maybe I just haven't worked out when I

1057
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: need to eat or something. Because as soon as you run,

1058
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: like it moves everything around. So I'm always like, ah.

1059
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, if you maybe extend like maybe three

1060
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: hours before or maybe four, if that works better for you.

1061
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 3: And also like go to the toilet as many times

1062
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 3: as you can before the race, Like honestly, I would

1063
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 3: go every three minutes, and like, I think I still

1064
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 3: need to go again, think any too again, So by

1065
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 3: the time I'm on the start line, I know one

1066
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 3: hundred percent I don't need to go. Yeah, And I

1067
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 3: obviously I've watched other runners as well, and everyone's just

1068
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 3: constantly going to the toilet to make sure.

1069
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: Well that's a big spilt anxiety.

1070
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 3: No, a lot of a lot of runners think of it.

1071
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: Would you drink an eight and a half marathon? No, Oh,

1072
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: you wouldn't need to.

1073
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 3: Not on if it was hot, I probably would consider

1074
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: having a drink, but no, definitely not for but I

1075
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 3: do carry a DEL with me in case in my

1076
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 3: sports brat in case I really feel like I need

1077
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: something around fifteen k mark, but generally not No, I

1078
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: think if the time that you're racing is less than

1079
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 3: nineteen minutes, then you don't need to worry about it.

1080
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I'm like, it's probably still going

1081
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 2: to be over ninety minutes, so I probably still will

1082
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: need it.

1083
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: But that's fine, I think.

1084
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: But then maybe like have one del with you, and

1085
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 3: because you can, they'll always have water on the course

1086
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: that you can then just have the gem and just

1087
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 3: have a little sip of water to wash it down.

1088
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

1089
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 2: And the other thing I mean you'll probably remember from

1090
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: when we were talked in twenty nineteen, we were all

1091
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: doing lots of different sessions on shoes, Like the Nike

1092
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: support was so amazing, learning about short distance shoes and

1093
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,479
Speaker 2: longer distance shoes and like figuring out for wider feet

1094
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 2: and narrow feed and I had literally been trying to

1095
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 2: run in like the fashion shoes that were literally made

1096
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: for like a basketball court and definitely.

1097
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: Not built for running.

1098
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 2: Like I obviously just had never really thought about the

1099
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: fact that there's so much technology now that goes into

1100
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: the shoes for specific purposes. How did you figure out

1101
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: what was the right gear for you? And do you

1102
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 2: change up your shoes? Like do you have lots of

1103
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: different stars kind of going at one time? Do you

1104
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 2: change them for distances? Like how do you train? What's

1105
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: your favorite shoes?

1106
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 3: Oh? So, my favorite shoes without a data are the

1107
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 3: nikeen next percentage, So I really them for anything for

1108
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 3: a ten k and I would use them, And I

1109
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 3: find that my legs are much better after a race

1110
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 3: if I wear those shoes than if I wear something

1111
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 3: more minimal. I just recover much better after wearing them,

1112
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 3: So they are one hundred percent might go to shoes

1113
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 3: for anything ten k and above on the track, I

1114
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 3: would use spikes the dragonflies, and I love those as well,

1115
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: but I don't wear them as often, and because there's

1116
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 3: not as much to them, I do pull up a

1117
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 3: bit worse. But yeah, they're there, might go t shoe

1118
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 3: on the track. I think, yeah, how did I? I

1119
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 3: used to actually choose my runners as well based on aesthetics.

1120
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 4: Why and.

1121
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: Because these are like tennis shoes or they're like, yeah,

1122
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: you just run a half marathon in tennis shoes, you idiot.

1123
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: I ran my first few marathons in like like running

1124
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 3: flats and on my legs were in ribbons for weeks after,

1125
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 3: so not a good idea. So finding the next percent

1126
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 3: was really good for me. But yeah, twil and error

1127
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 3: on what I know. Some people don't like them. They

1128
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 3: prefer and narrow isshoes, but again just trying them in training.

1129
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 3: And I mix up my shoes a lot in training

1130
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: as well, So for my easier runs I would only

1131
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 3: wear the next percents for my fast sessions. So in

1132
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,959
Speaker 3: thresholds and speed sessions and then everything else I would

1133
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 3: mix up, like maybe use the Pegasus or the structures

1134
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 3: or for maurals, I like to rotate my shoes otherwise. Yeah,

1135
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 3: you can kind of get niggles if you wear the

1136
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 3: same pair all the time for everything. Yeah, so I

1137
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 3: like to mix them up. But again, yeah, definitely pressing

1138
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 3: the preference. So you just got to try them out

1139
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 3: in training and see which ones work for you.

1140
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's been really interesting playing around with shoes. And

1141
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: also how many times I would have wanted to run

1142
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: in them before I go out for a really long

1143
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: I mean not really long run compared to you, but

1144
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: like a longer run for me. And even playing around now,

1145
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: like the flyes have as zip op functions so you

1146
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: don't have the shoelace problem.

1147
00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: Like, it's been all right.

1148
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: So much fun to figure out the different ones that

1149
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 2: suit you best. And also yeah, just realizing it makes

1150
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: a massive difference. It's like changing the entire floor that

1151
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: you're running on. I never understood that until I said,

1152
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: actually like putting it into practice. But if you are

1153
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: finding that your body's not pulling out really well, maybe

1154
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: you should, you know, anyone listening should consider changing up

1155
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 2: your shoes and trying different things.

1156
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I remember actually before London Marathon

1157
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, the next Percents had just come out,

1158
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 3: like I had gotten a pair of them the night

1159
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 3: before the race, at like seven pm, so I hadn't

1160
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 3: warned them or tried them or anything.

1161
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: I think you told the story. Oh my gosh.

1162
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, an hour before the race, I had like one

1163
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 3: four percente on and one next percent. I was just

1164
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: walking around going which am I going to wear? Which

1165
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wear? And I couldn't decide and I was

1166
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 3: freaking out. And eventually I wore the next percents And

1167
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 3: I was so nervous from that first kilometer. I was like,

1168
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 3: because I knew I would know within that time period

1169
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 3: ifore I liked them or not. But they felt great.

1170
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 3: I loved them and they were like shoe since then,

1171
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 3: So it was a bit of a risk, but a

1172
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 3: peed off.

1173
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: That's actually amazing that you can put on a shoe

1174
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 2: for the first time ever and run a full marathon

1175
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: in them.

1176
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

1177
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I generally wouldn't recommend that, but it worked for you.

1178
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 3: It worked for this one.

1179
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 2: Remember the days when you'd have to wear a shoe,

1180
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 2: like not even a running shoe, but you just have

1181
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 2: to wear shoes around the house for like days before they.

1182
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: Were put on. And now the technology has just come

1183
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: so far. It's amazing.

1184
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Well, Shanaid, thank you so much. Basically,

1185
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 2: this has just been me asking all my personal questions

1186
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 2: and pretending that people submitted them because I was like,

1187
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 2: I want to pick your brains about this particular topic.

1188
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: But I've learned so much. You are such an inspiration

1189
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: and such an amazing role model for running in general.

1190
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what happens over the next

1191
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 2: couple of years. And following you to Paris.

1192
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: How exciting.

1193
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I fingers crossed. Thanks Sarah.

1194
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: And very last question for you though, because I love

1195
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: quotes so much, what's your favorite quote?

1196
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 3: Oh? So, I don't have a favorite quote, but I

1197
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 3: did read this quote from Steve Jobs recently that really

1198
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 3: resonated with me. So this is it. Your time is limited,

1199
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 3: so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be

1200
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 3: trapped by dogma, which is living with the results of

1201
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: other people's thinking. That's really resonated with me, just because

1202
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: i've kind of broken them mold a bit and in

1203
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 3: you know, with my athletics journey has been so unique,

1204
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 3: and I think it's important that people know you don't

1205
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 3: have to, you know, follow somebody else's rules all the

1206
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 3: time and follow the traditional path into whatever your pursuit.

1207
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 3: Your pursuit is so I think you shouldn't be limited

1208
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 3: by other people's limitations and that you know, nobody else

1209
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 3: knows what you're capable of other than yourself, so you

1210
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 3: really believe in yourself and go with it and don't Yeah,

1211
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 3: don't be limited by other people's limitations I guess or perspectives.

1212
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what a beautiful way to end. And

1213
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: that is exactly what you represent to me. So I'm so,

1214
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 2: so so thrilled to have been able to share a

1215
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: bit of your energy and wisdom with everyone else today.

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00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 3: Thanks Sarah, it's been fun pleasure,