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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: That was the moment Katy Perry, the Australian fashion designer,

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Speaker 2: finally closed the chapter on a nearly seventeen year dispute

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Speaker 2: with popstar Katie Perry. But how did the Sydney mum

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Speaker 2: of two get here nearly two decades on from being

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Speaker 2: locked in a legal battle with one of the world's

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Speaker 2: biggest musicians. It's the Quickie for Friday, March thirteen. I'm

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Speaker 2: Taylor Estrano for a look at the latest news headlines.

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Speaker 2: Here's Claire Murphy.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Taylor. Australia has ordered all non essential officials to

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Speaker 3: leave Israel and the United Arab Emirates two weeks after

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Speaker 3: the US and Israel's war and Iran began. Foreign Minister

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Speaker 3: the deteriorating security situation, saying central Australian officials will remain

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Speaker 3: in country to support Australians who need it. We continue

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Speaker 3: to advise Australians not to travel to Israel and the UAE.

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Speaker 3: The two week old conflict has prompted thousands of Australians

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Speaker 3: to flee the region, with the government saying on Tuesday

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Speaker 3: that more than two thousand, six hundred Australians were returning

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Speaker 3: home on commercial flights. Senator Wong said the overwhelming majority

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Speaker 3: of Australian citizens who were traveling through the Middle East

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Speaker 3: and became stuck when the war broke out had now

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Speaker 3: returned home. The war in the region has so far

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Speaker 3: killed around two thousand people and caused the biggest disruption

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Speaker 3: to global oil supplies in decades. Oil prices that had

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Speaker 3: come down earlier this week after US President Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: said the war would soon be over, sawed back to

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Speaker 3: above US one hundred dollars a barrel after an escalation

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Speaker 3: in Ranian attacks on ships in the Persian Gulf. The

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Speaker 3: families of fifteen people murdered in the Bondai massacre are

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Speaker 3: worried the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism won't be taken seriously.

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Speaker 3: After the resignation of the former ASIO boss, the wide

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Speaker 3: ranging federal probe was called after almost a month of

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Speaker 3: lobbying from Australia's Jewish community and pressure from the FEDS opposition.

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Speaker 3: Former spy chief in US Ambassador Dennis Richardson, who was

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Speaker 3: originally brought on to run an independent investigation, into possible

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Speaker 3: intelligence failures leading up to the December fourteen attack, announced

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Speaker 3: Jenny Wrotier, the niece of Boris Tteroid, who was fatally

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Speaker 3: shot at the Harneker celebration, says the families are now

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Speaker 3: worried everything will fall apart, saying we wanted a really

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Speaker 3: close look at the intelligence agencies and their failures. We're

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Speaker 3: becoming extremely concerned that this Royal Commission is turning into

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Speaker 3: a farce. Sabina Cleidman, the daughter of Holocaust survivor and

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Speaker 3: Bondai victim Alex Kleideman, said she and the community were

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Speaker 3: shocked by mister Richardson's announcement, saying due to his credentials,

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Speaker 3: he would be the best person to get down to

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Speaker 3: the reason behind what had happened. Two backpackers have sadly

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Speaker 3: died in floodwaters in Queensland. The pair, a twenty six

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Speaker 3: More residents have been evacuated from Catherine, with further river

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Speaker 3: rises expected. In some positive news, the boil water alert

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Speaker 3: place for Catherine and Jukmingen. The Matildas will face off

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Speaker 3: showdown in Perth. The Ossis path to the Women's Asian

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Speaker 3: South Korea saw them relegated to second spot in Group AY.

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Speaker 3: That meant instead of staying in Sydney and taking on

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Speaker 3: Australia's flag bearer, Georgia Gano came eleventh in the vision

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Speaker 2: Claire. Next the David and Goliathe trademark battle between Ossie

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Speaker 2: designer Katie Perry and global popstar Katie Perry. Two women,

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Speaker 2: the making. Allow me to explain. Let's start with the women.

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Speaker 2: Katy Perry, the singer, was born Catherine Elizabeth Hudson and

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Speaker 2: As the pop star prepared for her Hello Katie Australian

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Speaker 2: already held a registered Katy Perry clothing trademark, and so

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Speaker 2: began a marathon legal battle, starting with the seats and

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Speaker 2: on for nearly seventeen long years. For a while, it

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Speaker 4: Literally.

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Speaker 2: During the course of the saga, Katy Perry the Singer,

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Speaker 2: dollar mansion with an elderly veteran. Then, in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: Katy Perry the Designer took Katy Perry the Singer to

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Speaker 2: the federal court arguing the sale of Katy Perry clothes, shoes,

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Speaker 2: In a majority decision handed down on Wednesday, the Court

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Speaker 2: found that using the Katie Perry mark on clothing was

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Speaker 2: unlikely to deceive or confuse customers given how well known

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Speaker 2: the singer is in Australia and didn't breach trademark law.

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Speaker 2: So victory at the end of it all, But at

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Speaker 2: and in her own words, justice and the right thing.

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Speaker 2: let's start Wednesday this week. You put this great video

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Speaker 2: front of you. When the decision comes through, do you

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Speaker 2: want to walk us through that much moment on Wednesday

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Speaker 4: Like, look, I've got goosebumps just going back to that moment.

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Speaker 4: I was sitting there in front of my laptop, just

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Speaker 4: refreshing because I knew an email was going to come

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Speaker 4: through from my lawyer. And it came through and there

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Speaker 4: of absolute joy. My mom was there, my stepdad, who

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Speaker 4: was absolute pure elation.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a weird feeling as well, though, right

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Speaker 2: because you're not actually in the room where the decisions

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Speaker 4: That often? Look, I don't know. I thought that because

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Speaker 4: that's what also you see in movies, is that you'd

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Speaker 4: be there in the court and they'd read the verdict.

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Speaker 4: But it felt odd just being there all by myself

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Speaker 4: I'm a fashion designer. I'm not a lawyer. I'm completely

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Speaker 2: And so your two children, who are six and nine

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Speaker 2: this court case, this legal battle has played out in

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Speaker 4: Look, that was actually one of the highlights of the

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Speaker 2: You're going to be his news. He's show and telling me,

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Speaker 4: Tell exactly my mom. And you know what, but through

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Speaker 2: I wanted to sort of walk back down memory lane

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Speaker 2: a little bit because you've been dealing with this legal

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Speaker 2: battle for seventeen years. Do you remember when you were

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Speaker 2: first made aware of Katie Perry, the singer and also,

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Speaker 2: I guess, for lack of a better word, cramping ear style.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look for me. My label started in two thousand

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Speaker 4: that song I kissed It Go and I like it.

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Speaker 4: And do you know what I did? I actually bought

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Speaker 4: the song because I thought, Wow, that's amazing, there's another

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Speaker 4: Katy Perry out there. I want to show my support.

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Speaker 4: Very different to what then happened to me, which was

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Speaker 4: in two thousand and nine, I had just had my

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Speaker 4: champagne glasses and picking up this really thick envelope and

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Speaker 4: opening it up and it said cease and desist, stop

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Speaker 4: sale of your clothes, stop your website, and stop any

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Speaker 2: What's the legal standing then? How do they attack that?

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Speaker 2: She's a goliath, right, You're one woman. How does it

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Speaker 4: It was. It was really scary, and the letter was

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Speaker 4: of small business in Australia. Overseas, conglomerates come in, they

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Speaker 4: put a lot of pressure, they threaten with legal action,

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Speaker 2: Why was it so important for you to fight this?

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Speaker 4: Because this is what I believe in. You know, I

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Speaker 4: I think it's important to stand up for small business.

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Speaker 4: Trademark law is here to protect all and that's what

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Speaker 4: And that's what this case has been about. It's been

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Speaker 2: What does it take to take on a big celebrity, because,

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Speaker 2: How do you even start to attack that?

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Speaker 4: Look? I think it's sometimes hard to go back because

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Speaker 4: believe in small business, your values matter. Life is hard

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Speaker 4: and there are many times that you'll go through things

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Speaker 2: Have you, at any stage had contact with Katie Perry

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Speaker 4: No, she won't have anything to do with me, and

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Speaker 2: Now that everything is said and done, though, if you

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Speaker 4: I have nothing to say to her. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: The people in your life, Katie, who through the last

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Speaker 2: Obviously your family plays a huge role in that, but

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Speaker 4: I've had people just say like, I don't have too

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Speaker 2: So what happens from here now? I imagine you've just been

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's been amazing. I've had so much support. Lots

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Speaker 4: You're wearing part of history. And this has also been

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Speaker 4: So to have that support on so many different levels

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Speaker 2: Is it over now? Is there a chance of an

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Speaker 4: We went to the High Court and won. This is it.

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Speaker 4: I get to keep my trademark and I'm so fortunate

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Speaker 2: That It's just Bau for you now.

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Speaker 4: It is very very much, and I think it is

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Speaker 2: Oh look Sydney Markets today, but Paris Fashion Week next year,

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Speaker 4: Who knows? I feel like the future is really bright

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