1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:15,024 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,104 --> 00:00:18,784 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,864 --> 00:00:26,864 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to 4 00:00:26,864 --> 00:00:30,344 Speaker 1: the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick 5 00:00:30,424 --> 00:00:34,024 Speaker 1: and I'm amm Burnham, and welcome to Tuesday Show. Emily's 6 00:00:34,104 --> 00:00:36,464 Speaker 1: running out the door on a flight after this, and 7 00:00:36,744 --> 00:00:39,504 Speaker 1: I'm going to a premiere party tonight where it's for 8 00:00:39,544 --> 00:00:42,824 Speaker 1: the new movie Final Destination Bloodlines. Obviously, I'm pumped because 9 00:00:42,824 --> 00:00:44,184 Speaker 1: I love the Final Destination movies. 10 00:00:44,624 --> 00:00:46,944 Speaker 2: I saw the invite to this. Yeah, and I have 11 00:00:46,984 --> 00:00:47,704 Speaker 2: a question. 12 00:00:47,904 --> 00:00:51,944 Speaker 1: Okay, they're doing a tattoo and piercing party first, and 13 00:00:51,984 --> 00:00:54,544 Speaker 1: I'm the most basic, basic of bitches. I don't have 14 00:00:54,624 --> 00:00:57,424 Speaker 1: any tattoos and only have one piercing in each ear 15 00:00:57,464 --> 00:01:00,744 Speaker 1: where I wear like a delicate or oversized earring. And 16 00:01:00,784 --> 00:01:02,584 Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of pressure from the people I'm 17 00:01:02,624 --> 00:01:04,304 Speaker 1: going with and just everyone who's going to beat this 18 00:01:04,344 --> 00:01:06,664 Speaker 1: party to get a tattoo and or a piercing. 19 00:01:06,864 --> 00:01:09,184 Speaker 2: You are lucky. I'm not coming into this so they 20 00:01:09,224 --> 00:01:09,784 Speaker 2: can't make. 21 00:01:09,704 --> 00:01:12,064 Speaker 1: Okay, you've got a cool girl stuck of piercings in 22 00:01:12,144 --> 00:01:12,624 Speaker 1: each ear. 23 00:01:12,664 --> 00:01:16,784 Speaker 2: If I went, and I'm so sad I can't make it, 24 00:01:16,864 --> 00:01:20,024 Speaker 2: I would have gone at least one tattoo and formal pieces. 25 00:01:20,104 --> 00:01:22,224 Speaker 1: Would you get as a tattoo? Like should I get? Like? 26 00:01:22,424 --> 00:01:23,384 Speaker 1: Should I just go crate? No? 27 00:01:23,584 --> 00:01:24,944 Speaker 2: I think you have to be in the moment, like 28 00:01:25,024 --> 00:01:26,984 Speaker 2: I don't have tattoos, but I have been told I 29 00:01:26,984 --> 00:01:28,784 Speaker 2: have the personality for someone with tattoo. 30 00:01:28,824 --> 00:01:32,144 Speaker 1: You absolutely, Oh my god, that's the realist thing I've 31 00:01:32,144 --> 00:01:33,784 Speaker 1: ever heard. If someone asked me, I'd be like, yeah, 32 00:01:33,784 --> 00:01:37,024 Speaker 1: surely and has like three four tattoo, just little delicate ones. 33 00:01:37,104 --> 00:01:38,064 Speaker 1: I kind of like the. 34 00:01:38,064 --> 00:01:40,864 Speaker 2: Idea that I don't have one to keep people guessing, yeah, 35 00:01:40,944 --> 00:01:41,464 Speaker 2: do they really? 36 00:01:42,224 --> 00:01:43,904 Speaker 1: I would like it for the other reason because people 37 00:01:43,944 --> 00:01:45,784 Speaker 1: look at me and be like that bitch does not happen. 38 00:01:47,064 --> 00:01:49,704 Speaker 2: Any tattoos. Okay, you're like Kim Kardashi and you would 39 00:01:49,704 --> 00:01:50,824 Speaker 2: never put a bumper and a Bentley. 40 00:01:50,864 --> 00:01:53,304 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so true. That's the nicest thing, 41 00:01:53,904 --> 00:01:57,144 Speaker 1: like bump me up, bumper me up, stickers off. 42 00:01:57,504 --> 00:01:59,184 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I could get like a little 43 00:01:59,224 --> 00:02:00,744 Speaker 2: I don't know, get the spill logo. 44 00:02:01,144 --> 00:02:02,944 Speaker 1: Can you imagine that I feel like I just set 45 00:02:02,944 --> 00:02:05,224 Speaker 1: people a challenge, like we have to get so many downloads, 46 00:02:05,224 --> 00:02:07,504 Speaker 1: so many shares, so many followers have. 47 00:02:07,624 --> 00:02:12,024 Speaker 2: That okay, if we get two million down this episode. 48 00:02:11,424 --> 00:02:14,544 Speaker 1: Specifically, so the party starts at six just so everyone 49 00:02:14,584 --> 00:02:16,944 Speaker 1: knows you've only got until six pm, and I'll get 50 00:02:16,984 --> 00:02:19,224 Speaker 1: the spill logo where like on the top of my 51 00:02:19,224 --> 00:02:20,024 Speaker 1: boob or on my back. 52 00:02:20,104 --> 00:02:22,864 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe like a little tramp damp. Yeah, that'll be nice. 53 00:02:23,344 --> 00:02:23,944 Speaker 1: Make that word. 54 00:02:24,304 --> 00:02:25,544 Speaker 2: Imps are coming back. 55 00:02:25,584 --> 00:02:28,224 Speaker 1: I just don't know they are coming back. Law back tattoos. 56 00:02:28,544 --> 00:02:31,624 Speaker 1: I just don't know if a final destination party in 57 00:02:31,664 --> 00:02:34,104 Speaker 1: the suburbs of Sydney is the place to get. 58 00:02:33,904 --> 00:02:35,584 Speaker 2: My first tattoo. I mean it is. 59 00:02:35,704 --> 00:02:37,944 Speaker 1: They are expensive though, so you're getting this so free? 60 00:02:37,984 --> 00:02:40,344 Speaker 1: Maybe all right, stay changed, stay tuned. I'll give you 61 00:02:40,344 --> 00:02:43,904 Speaker 1: all updated on tomorrow's episode. I come in, I'm like 62 00:02:43,904 --> 00:02:48,584 Speaker 1: I panic and I've got like a sleep. Don't leave 63 00:02:48,624 --> 00:02:52,224 Speaker 1: me alone, Lily anyway, coming up on today's show, The 64 00:02:52,304 --> 00:02:55,344 Speaker 1: trial of Sean Comb's has started last week in New York. 65 00:02:55,784 --> 00:02:59,144 Speaker 1: So much information has come to light, so many celebrity 66 00:02:59,224 --> 00:03:01,944 Speaker 1: names are involved, so many different stories of being told, 67 00:03:01,984 --> 00:03:04,424 Speaker 1: so many witnesses have come forward. We know there's a 68 00:03:04,424 --> 00:03:06,384 Speaker 1: lot of information out there, so we're going to break 69 00:03:06,424 --> 00:03:09,384 Speaker 1: down for you the biggest reveals from the trial so 70 00:03:09,464 --> 00:03:13,944 Speaker 1: far and the people who evolved in today's episode. But first, Emily, 71 00:03:13,944 --> 00:03:15,944 Speaker 1: give us a bit of relief. First, what's on your mind? 72 00:03:16,424 --> 00:03:21,384 Speaker 2: Okay, So Robert Irwin, our friends, our local friend has 73 00:03:21,424 --> 00:03:22,784 Speaker 2: given all. 74 00:03:22,864 --> 00:03:25,104 Speaker 1: You had, like quite the crush on which you realize 75 00:03:25,224 --> 00:03:26,344 Speaker 1: live during a recording. 76 00:03:26,624 --> 00:03:29,144 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you remember, Oh my god, I forgot about you. 77 00:03:29,264 --> 00:03:31,504 Speaker 1: Were just talked. That is one of my most vivid 78 00:03:31,544 --> 00:03:33,624 Speaker 1: memories from like the last year we've been recording, because 79 00:03:33,664 --> 00:03:36,144 Speaker 1: we're talking about Robert Irwin and you're just getting deeper 80 00:03:36,144 --> 00:03:38,064 Speaker 1: and deeper into this like trailer thought of how much 81 00:03:38,104 --> 00:03:39,864 Speaker 1: you like him, and all of a sudden, you just 82 00:03:39,904 --> 00:03:42,664 Speaker 1: like your soul left your body. We'll have to repost 83 00:03:42,704 --> 00:03:44,304 Speaker 1: that video because we caught it on video, which is 84 00:03:44,344 --> 00:03:45,464 Speaker 1: so good, and I was like, are you in love 85 00:03:45,464 --> 00:03:48,224 Speaker 1: with Robert Irwin? And you had this realization in real 86 00:03:48,264 --> 00:03:49,704 Speaker 1: time that you were. 87 00:03:49,984 --> 00:03:51,144 Speaker 2: I forgot about that. 88 00:03:51,264 --> 00:03:53,664 Speaker 1: And then we got a lot of backlash, well five 89 00:03:53,704 --> 00:03:55,624 Speaker 1: comments from people being like it was weird of us 90 00:03:55,664 --> 00:03:57,304 Speaker 1: to be talking so intensely about. 91 00:03:57,184 --> 00:04:00,944 Speaker 2: Your so much backlash and everyone age, why are these 92 00:04:00,984 --> 00:04:04,104 Speaker 2: old women talking about this young man. I'm like, he's 93 00:04:04,224 --> 00:04:04,744 Speaker 2: like a few. 94 00:04:07,064 --> 00:04:08,904 Speaker 1: That was the biggest thing, is like we weren't taking 95 00:04:09,104 --> 00:04:11,264 Speaker 1: any other feedbackload. That's fine. You were like, do not 96 00:04:11,704 --> 00:04:14,824 Speaker 1: like his old women? I'm like, he's literally like both 97 00:04:15,144 --> 00:04:17,504 Speaker 1: twenty Yeah, you're fine. 98 00:04:17,504 --> 00:04:20,064 Speaker 2: Anyway, this is not about that, because he's done a 99 00:04:20,064 --> 00:04:24,464 Speaker 2: tell all interview after his little Bonds campaign that went 100 00:04:24,624 --> 00:04:28,424 Speaker 2: viral internationally. I want to say, we have talked about 101 00:04:28,424 --> 00:04:31,544 Speaker 2: the Bonds campaign. If you've forgotten, how could you forget? 102 00:04:31,664 --> 00:04:34,944 Speaker 2: I feel like everyone can memorize an image. He's like 103 00:04:35,584 --> 00:04:38,624 Speaker 2: shirtless with this little like Bond briefs, and he's got 104 00:04:38,624 --> 00:04:42,664 Speaker 2: this big snake, a literal snake, yeah, wrapped around him 105 00:04:42,704 --> 00:04:44,224 Speaker 2: on HISLDS. 106 00:04:43,664 --> 00:04:46,224 Speaker 1: Very early two thousands Britney spears. Yeah. 107 00:04:46,224 --> 00:04:48,384 Speaker 2: And you know what I can say it he looked good. 108 00:04:48,624 --> 00:04:50,144 Speaker 1: Of course, it looks good. That was the whole point 109 00:04:50,184 --> 00:04:51,864 Speaker 1: of why he did the photo shoot is that he 110 00:04:51,944 --> 00:04:52,544 Speaker 1: looked good. 111 00:04:52,904 --> 00:04:56,064 Speaker 2: And yet he did this big interview with People magazine, 112 00:04:56,304 --> 00:04:57,464 Speaker 2: so we know what's really. 113 00:04:58,784 --> 00:05:01,624 Speaker 1: Or you think someone ai that. I don't know if 114 00:05:01,624 --> 00:05:02,424 Speaker 1: that's the bettroll. 115 00:05:02,424 --> 00:05:05,544 Speaker 2: We could do an interview People magazine and he is 116 00:05:05,584 --> 00:05:09,904 Speaker 2: still playing that like very young man. I'm so surprised. 117 00:05:10,384 --> 00:05:12,464 Speaker 2: I'm so obsessed with me. I'm like, you know what 118 00:05:12,504 --> 00:05:15,384 Speaker 2: you're doing. Some of the quotes in this interview, Oh 119 00:05:15,424 --> 00:05:18,624 Speaker 2: my gosh, the DMS are a dangerous place right now, 120 00:05:18,784 --> 00:05:20,584 Speaker 2: and I'm like, this man works in danger every day 121 00:05:20,624 --> 00:05:22,144 Speaker 2: of his life. I'm pretty sure he can handle. 122 00:05:21,904 --> 00:05:24,104 Speaker 1: The idea that we've seen this boy ever since he 123 00:05:24,184 --> 00:05:26,864 Speaker 1: was like a tiny baby, be like dangled in crocodile 124 00:05:26,944 --> 00:05:30,064 Speaker 1: enclosures and like with all these different wild animals, and 125 00:05:30,104 --> 00:05:33,624 Speaker 1: the one thing that scares him is his DM section 126 00:05:34,544 --> 00:05:36,264 Speaker 1: of people he doesn't know. You know, you can get 127 00:05:36,264 --> 00:05:37,584 Speaker 1: like the messages from people you don't know. 128 00:05:37,704 --> 00:05:41,544 Speaker 2: I just imagine him opening his phone every day, going surrounded. 129 00:05:41,104 --> 00:05:44,224 Speaker 1: By like crocodiles, which is like he builds up to 130 00:05:44,264 --> 00:05:45,624 Speaker 1: it all day, and he's like, I've got to look 131 00:05:45,624 --> 00:05:47,624 Speaker 1: at the DMS, to look at the DMS. 132 00:05:47,984 --> 00:05:50,384 Speaker 2: He also said, I just try and put out a 133 00:05:50,424 --> 00:05:52,944 Speaker 2: bit of positivity into the world, and I do want 134 00:05:52,984 --> 00:05:56,744 Speaker 2: to reach as many people as I can. Interestingly enough, 135 00:05:56,904 --> 00:06:00,064 Speaker 2: my whole life, I've reached people in my car keys 136 00:06:00,584 --> 00:06:02,544 Speaker 2: and I never would have thought that I would reach 137 00:06:02,624 --> 00:06:04,864 Speaker 2: even more people out of my car kies? 138 00:06:05,424 --> 00:06:06,544 Speaker 1: Does he mean when he's naked? 139 00:06:07,304 --> 00:06:10,264 Speaker 2: Oh, he's like kind of going through this thing which 140 00:06:10,824 --> 00:06:13,424 Speaker 2: I feel like has happened quite recently with him doing 141 00:06:13,464 --> 00:06:16,224 Speaker 2: a lot of TV E stints. M He was in 142 00:06:16,384 --> 00:06:19,584 Speaker 2: I'm a Celebrity. We recently saw him after his Bonds 143 00:06:19,584 --> 00:06:21,944 Speaker 2: campaign announced that he's going to be in the American 144 00:06:22,024 --> 00:06:24,704 Speaker 2: version of Dancing with the Stars. We saw like a 145 00:06:24,744 --> 00:06:27,224 Speaker 2: video of him kind of surprising all of the guests 146 00:06:27,224 --> 00:06:29,944 Speaker 2: at the announcement. Shirt liers with this that poor snake 147 00:06:30,304 --> 00:06:30,864 Speaker 2: is going through. 148 00:06:31,784 --> 00:06:33,904 Speaker 1: Has anyone got consent from that stat to be always 149 00:06:33,944 --> 00:06:37,224 Speaker 1: pushed against Robert Irwin's naked body. You didn't even sign 150 00:06:37,304 --> 00:06:41,064 Speaker 1: my release for I can guarantee you that Sneak lives 151 00:06:41,064 --> 00:06:43,904 Speaker 1: a better life than we do. Probably also got more money. 152 00:06:44,064 --> 00:06:46,544 Speaker 2: I feel like he's kind of following the path of 153 00:06:46,704 --> 00:06:48,144 Speaker 2: a doctor Chris Brown. 154 00:06:48,824 --> 00:06:51,504 Speaker 1: Yes, do we want to take his coasting stint to 155 00:06:51,544 --> 00:06:53,824 Speaker 1: myle like literally. 156 00:06:53,664 --> 00:06:57,064 Speaker 2: Footpath by footpath. I think he saw what doctor Chris 157 00:06:57,064 --> 00:06:58,984 Speaker 2: Brown did. Like, I feel like so many people have 158 00:06:59,024 --> 00:07:02,024 Speaker 2: forgotten this man was a vet and now he's just 159 00:07:02,064 --> 00:07:05,704 Speaker 2: become this really hot TV star that we are all 160 00:07:05,744 --> 00:07:06,304 Speaker 2: obsessed with. 161 00:07:06,464 --> 00:07:09,624 Speaker 1: There's such a market for hot man who can be 162 00:07:09,704 --> 00:07:10,904 Speaker 1: like adjacent animals. 163 00:07:10,984 --> 00:07:14,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, hot smart men who have really good values. Okay, 164 00:07:14,744 --> 00:07:15,424 Speaker 2: and you know what I mean. 165 00:07:15,504 --> 00:07:16,704 Speaker 1: He really just kicks it up a level. 166 00:07:16,704 --> 00:07:19,344 Speaker 2: But he's like, I feel like Robert Erwin is in 167 00:07:19,344 --> 00:07:22,424 Speaker 2: this position where everyone loves him, like no one like 168 00:07:23,224 --> 00:07:24,704 Speaker 2: stands against him, because I'm like, what are you going 169 00:07:24,744 --> 00:07:28,104 Speaker 2: to stand against? Like animals? Yeah, hot, young one's going on, 170 00:07:28,224 --> 00:07:31,664 Speaker 2: I want those rhinos to die. Actually, Robert Irwin, we 171 00:07:31,704 --> 00:07:36,104 Speaker 2: need after those koala. I hate this planet. 172 00:07:37,784 --> 00:07:39,944 Speaker 1: And he really has got himself on the one side. 173 00:07:39,984 --> 00:07:42,184 Speaker 1: And the thing is when he's doing his like messages 174 00:07:42,264 --> 00:07:45,224 Speaker 1: like animal conservation, it's very much like he does it 175 00:07:45,264 --> 00:07:47,064 Speaker 1: on the cuddly side, Like he's not telling anyone not 176 00:07:47,104 --> 00:07:48,984 Speaker 1: to do anything. He's like, don't drive your car, a 177 00:07:49,024 --> 00:07:51,704 Speaker 1: build a house. He's like, let's look after the planet. Yeah, 178 00:07:51,784 --> 00:07:54,024 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, that does sound really simple. 179 00:07:54,064 --> 00:07:57,664 Speaker 2: He's like, fight those gorillas, how about we save the gorillas. 180 00:08:00,744 --> 00:08:02,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, that man's never going to fight a gorilla, whether 181 00:08:02,584 --> 00:08:04,384 Speaker 1: he's got one hundred men by a side or nothing. 182 00:08:04,544 --> 00:08:06,944 Speaker 2: He's not. And I think he's genuinely terrified that men 183 00:08:06,984 --> 00:08:07,704 Speaker 2: are gonna spoke. 184 00:08:07,824 --> 00:08:10,024 Speaker 1: I think gorilla. I'm also terrified at that. By the way, 185 00:08:10,144 --> 00:08:12,824 Speaker 1: we're taking that way. Actually we met a man it. 186 00:08:12,824 --> 00:08:16,744 Speaker 2: Will, but not Robert Iwin, not Robert Irwin. And I'm 187 00:08:16,744 --> 00:08:20,064 Speaker 2: just really interested to see this new campaign side of his, Like, 188 00:08:20,184 --> 00:08:22,224 Speaker 2: is he still going to care about the animals after 189 00:08:22,264 --> 00:08:22,544 Speaker 2: all of this? 190 00:08:22,704 --> 00:08:24,984 Speaker 1: Surely? Yeah, because I think when he does, like the 191 00:08:25,104 --> 00:08:27,184 Speaker 1: US talk show circuit, which he's been doing since he 192 00:08:27,264 --> 00:08:29,664 Speaker 1: was a kid, he always goes on differently talk shows 193 00:08:29,744 --> 00:08:34,304 Speaker 1: or appearances with different animals. I wonder, you know how 194 00:08:34,344 --> 00:08:37,344 Speaker 1: each dance on Dancing with the Stars, which his sister 195 00:08:37,384 --> 00:08:38,464 Speaker 1: Bindi also did. 196 00:08:39,024 --> 00:08:40,104 Speaker 2: Bring animals. 197 00:08:40,384 --> 00:08:44,304 Speaker 1: I mean, potentially the snake comes out and the snake's 198 00:08:44,344 --> 00:08:46,104 Speaker 1: so bored, just like let it go. I don't want 199 00:08:46,104 --> 00:08:49,504 Speaker 1: to hango. Maybe he'll bring out like a different animal 200 00:08:49,504 --> 00:08:51,504 Speaker 1: free to dance. I think it's more likely that he'll 201 00:08:51,624 --> 00:08:54,664 Speaker 1: dance as an animal, as like he'll dance as like 202 00:08:54,944 --> 00:08:59,624 Speaker 1: a king rooming or something or capitulates he'll like hip 203 00:08:59,664 --> 00:09:03,864 Speaker 1: hop from the very contemporary. Yes, really got a contemporary dancing. 204 00:09:03,904 --> 00:09:05,784 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna win. Dancing with the Stars. 205 00:09:06,704 --> 00:09:10,024 Speaker 2: Is the world's only accepted the bow baby. 206 00:09:09,704 --> 00:09:13,784 Speaker 1: One hundred him in Brooklyn sometimes for very different reasons. 207 00:09:13,904 --> 00:09:16,744 Speaker 2: Anyway, if you see Robert Erwin doing more public stints, 208 00:09:17,104 --> 00:09:18,464 Speaker 2: maybe look a bit closer, Look. 209 00:09:18,344 --> 00:09:20,184 Speaker 1: A bit closer. And I just hope he's dealing with 210 00:09:20,224 --> 00:09:22,304 Speaker 1: being a sex symbol because it sounds rough and dangerous 211 00:09:22,304 --> 00:09:25,744 Speaker 1: for him, and our thoughts are with him, sending thoughts 212 00:09:25,744 --> 00:09:30,144 Speaker 1: on Preyers. So last week, when we were watching all 213 00:09:30,144 --> 00:09:32,504 Speaker 1: of the biggest celebrities in the world walk the red 214 00:09:32,544 --> 00:09:35,264 Speaker 1: carpet at the met Gala in their tailored suits and 215 00:09:35,384 --> 00:09:38,264 Speaker 1: doat she was jumping out of boxes and Hayley Bieber 216 00:09:38,344 --> 00:09:40,304 Speaker 1: was trying to look cool with the Martini glass, and 217 00:09:40,744 --> 00:09:43,104 Speaker 1: Shakira was again having the worst day in her life. 218 00:09:43,344 --> 00:09:44,584 Speaker 1: We did, Yeah, we did a whole recap. 219 00:09:44,704 --> 00:09:45,744 Speaker 2: Were old jams. 220 00:09:45,864 --> 00:09:50,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, while all that star studded celebrity stuff was happening 221 00:09:50,064 --> 00:09:52,064 Speaker 1: on one side of town, on the other side of town, 222 00:09:52,144 --> 00:09:55,184 Speaker 1: New York, the trial of Sean Comb's also known as 223 00:09:55,184 --> 00:09:58,424 Speaker 1: puff Daddy, previously also known as p Diddy. It's important 224 00:09:58,464 --> 00:09:59,744 Speaker 1: to mention because we were talking about this in the 225 00:09:59,784 --> 00:10:01,144 Speaker 1: office the other day and a whole bunch of people 226 00:10:01,144 --> 00:10:03,704 Speaker 1: who were working editorial, I said, puff Daddy, and they're like, 227 00:10:03,944 --> 00:10:06,304 Speaker 1: is that Sean Combs, because that was so long ago, 228 00:10:06,344 --> 00:10:07,944 Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, this is the same person. 229 00:10:07,984 --> 00:10:10,784 Speaker 1: He's changed his name so many times and it has 230 00:10:10,784 --> 00:10:13,584 Speaker 1: thrown some people off his trail. So anyway, he's not. 231 00:10:13,584 --> 00:10:15,384 Speaker 2: The trial of three different men. No, no, no, no. 232 00:10:15,824 --> 00:10:17,824 Speaker 1: One man who'd like to change his name a lot. 233 00:10:17,864 --> 00:10:20,384 Speaker 1: And his name is Sean Combs. For the last couple 234 00:10:20,464 --> 00:10:23,064 Speaker 1: of decades, one of the most famous musicians in the world, 235 00:10:23,464 --> 00:10:28,264 Speaker 1: so extremely successful, extremely success extremely rich, huge entrepreneur, music mogul, 236 00:10:28,384 --> 00:10:30,384 Speaker 1: entertainment mogul, one of the most powerful men in the 237 00:10:30,504 --> 00:10:33,824 Speaker 1: entertainment industry. And then last week his trial started where 238 00:10:33,824 --> 00:10:37,264 Speaker 1: he's been charged with sex trafficking, racketeering, and transportation to 239 00:10:37,344 --> 00:10:41,264 Speaker 1: engage in prostitution. And he's been in prison since last 240 00:10:41,344 --> 00:10:44,864 Speaker 1: year when he was first charged with these crimes. After 241 00:10:45,064 --> 00:10:48,064 Speaker 1: a whole slew of witnesses, so many witnesses came forward 242 00:10:48,064 --> 00:10:51,184 Speaker 1: with their own stories and accusations against him, the legal 243 00:10:51,224 --> 00:10:54,824 Speaker 1: team who's prosecuting against him whittled that down to a 244 00:10:54,864 --> 00:10:57,264 Speaker 1: bunch of people whose stories they say they have enough 245 00:10:57,264 --> 00:10:59,744 Speaker 1: evidence to prove, and that's why it's gone to court. 246 00:11:00,264 --> 00:11:02,824 Speaker 1: All the way through this he has pled not guilty 247 00:11:03,024 --> 00:11:04,864 Speaker 1: he said that none of this is true. He's been 248 00:11:04,984 --> 00:11:08,624 Speaker 1: targeted and because he was deemed such a huge flight 249 00:11:08,824 --> 00:11:10,904 Speaker 1: risk because of how much money he has and how 250 00:11:10,904 --> 00:11:13,704 Speaker 1: many connections he has, he has been kept in prison 251 00:11:14,144 --> 00:11:16,784 Speaker 1: for many, many months since he was charged, in a 252 00:11:16,784 --> 00:11:19,184 Speaker 1: prison that if you look into the stories about it, 253 00:11:19,224 --> 00:11:21,464 Speaker 1: is nowhere near one of them, you know what I mean, 254 00:11:21,504 --> 00:11:23,624 Speaker 1: like a really terrible prison in terms of like food, 255 00:11:23,664 --> 00:11:27,144 Speaker 1: in medical situation, how people live. And so last week, 256 00:11:27,224 --> 00:11:29,864 Speaker 1: on the first Monday in May, his trial started, and 257 00:11:30,184 --> 00:11:31,904 Speaker 1: we have sort of been keeping an eye on this. 258 00:11:31,944 --> 00:11:33,584 Speaker 1: We've been watching it build up because you know, we 259 00:11:33,624 --> 00:11:35,664 Speaker 1: had to go through like it's a very long process 260 00:11:35,664 --> 00:11:38,864 Speaker 1: from opening statements and each side giving their own evidence 261 00:11:38,904 --> 00:11:40,864 Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff before they even bring 262 00:11:40,904 --> 00:11:42,944 Speaker 1: witnesses in. And we should say a lot of the 263 00:11:42,944 --> 00:11:45,064 Speaker 1: stuff we're going to talk about is quite heavy and 264 00:11:45,144 --> 00:11:46,464 Speaker 1: disturbing because there's a lot. 265 00:11:46,304 --> 00:11:48,464 Speaker 2: Of extremely stratic and horrific. 266 00:11:48,784 --> 00:11:52,424 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, a lot of different awful stories of abuse 267 00:11:52,464 --> 00:11:54,464 Speaker 1: and different things have been brought up in the case 268 00:11:54,504 --> 00:11:56,304 Speaker 1: that we're going to touch on. And we also know 269 00:11:56,384 --> 00:11:58,664 Speaker 1: this is a really intense subject. But that's one of 270 00:11:58,664 --> 00:12:00,624 Speaker 1: the reasons we wanted to do it on the podcast 271 00:12:01,024 --> 00:12:05,144 Speaker 1: for you spillers, is because we have waited through every report, 272 00:12:05,744 --> 00:12:08,904 Speaker 1: every document that's come out of it. There's so much information, 273 00:12:08,944 --> 00:12:12,104 Speaker 1: there's so many stories, and we've just pulled together the 274 00:12:12,264 --> 00:12:15,384 Speaker 1: sort of crux of what's happening yep so far, just 275 00:12:15,424 --> 00:12:17,104 Speaker 1: so that you can have a picture of it without 276 00:12:17,144 --> 00:12:20,304 Speaker 1: having to dive as deeply into everything that we did. 277 00:12:20,544 --> 00:12:23,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think before we get into what's happened 278 00:12:23,224 --> 00:12:26,464 Speaker 2: so far in the trial, it's important to note everything 279 00:12:26,504 --> 00:12:28,984 Speaker 2: that's happened, like the key things that have happened leading 280 00:12:29,104 --> 00:12:32,584 Speaker 2: up to the trial. And we have broken this down 281 00:12:32,624 --> 00:12:35,184 Speaker 2: so many times, as you said LB like on the podcast, 282 00:12:35,384 --> 00:12:38,184 Speaker 2: but to quickly kind of go through that. This all 283 00:12:38,224 --> 00:12:41,824 Speaker 2: started two years ago. It was November twenty twenty three, 284 00:12:42,344 --> 00:12:46,224 Speaker 2: and it started with his partner at the time, Cassie Ventura. 285 00:12:46,464 --> 00:12:50,664 Speaker 2: She was his former girlfriend. She filed a civil lawsuit 286 00:12:50,784 --> 00:12:55,064 Speaker 2: accusing Sean Combs of rape, sex trafficking, and prolonged abuse. 287 00:12:55,584 --> 00:12:59,384 Speaker 2: She settled straight away, so it's settled swiftly, but it 288 00:12:59,544 --> 00:13:03,544 Speaker 2: also prompted numerous other individuals to come forward with very 289 00:13:03,584 --> 00:13:09,144 Speaker 2: similar allegations. This then continued until March twenty twenty four, 290 00:13:09,184 --> 00:13:12,784 Speaker 2: where federal agents can conducted raids on Combe's properties in 291 00:13:12,824 --> 00:13:16,104 Speaker 2: Los Angeles, New York, and Miami and they seize a 292 00:13:16,104 --> 00:13:19,704 Speaker 2: whole bunch of his electronic devices and other evidence that 293 00:13:19,744 --> 00:13:23,544 Speaker 2: could be part of an ongoing investigation. Then in September 294 00:13:23,784 --> 00:13:27,384 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, that was when he was arrested following 295 00:13:27,424 --> 00:13:31,784 Speaker 2: the grand jury indictment, and he was charged with sex trafficking, racketeering, 296 00:13:31,944 --> 00:13:36,144 Speaker 2: and related offenses. So I didn't know this, but racketeering 297 00:13:36,304 --> 00:13:40,184 Speaker 2: means engaging in illegal or fraudulent activities for a profit, 298 00:13:40,304 --> 00:13:42,544 Speaker 2: So examples of those things could be just like fraud 299 00:13:42,584 --> 00:13:48,064 Speaker 2: and bribery, So really intense accusations, and he was arrested 300 00:13:48,104 --> 00:13:52,064 Speaker 2: for like multiple of these. Defensive bail was denied because 301 00:13:52,064 --> 00:13:55,464 Speaker 2: of concerns that he could engage in witness intimidation and 302 00:13:55,584 --> 00:13:58,904 Speaker 2: also be a flight risk. And the date for this 303 00:13:58,984 --> 00:14:01,504 Speaker 2: trial now was set in October, So we've just been 304 00:14:01,544 --> 00:14:05,464 Speaker 2: going through all of this since October twenty twenty four 305 00:14:05,504 --> 00:14:08,304 Speaker 2: when the trial was set, and since then, so many 306 00:14:08,384 --> 00:14:12,624 Speaker 2: other individuals have come out and have recounted similar cases 307 00:14:13,104 --> 00:14:16,024 Speaker 2: of accusations that have happened to them. We know the 308 00:14:16,104 --> 00:14:19,824 Speaker 2: lawyers who are representing these individuals. Tony Busby was also 309 00:14:19,944 --> 00:14:23,384 Speaker 2: quite vocal on social media, especially Twitter, talking about all 310 00:14:23,424 --> 00:14:27,224 Speaker 2: of the accusations and allegations against him. So it's all 311 00:14:27,304 --> 00:14:31,184 Speaker 2: kind of leading up until this moment now. So it's 312 00:14:31,224 --> 00:14:34,144 Speaker 2: been one full day and it's going to keep going. 313 00:14:34,384 --> 00:14:38,624 Speaker 2: And everything that's happened so far has been witness statements. 314 00:14:38,864 --> 00:14:43,344 Speaker 2: It's also been like documented kind of like everything that's 315 00:14:43,344 --> 00:14:47,464 Speaker 2: happening ongoing on so many publications like People magazine of 316 00:14:47,504 --> 00:14:52,384 Speaker 2: everything that's happening, including his daughters walking out of key 317 00:14:52,424 --> 00:14:56,264 Speaker 2: witness statements, like especially the horrific and graphic stuff. It's 318 00:14:56,304 --> 00:14:59,024 Speaker 2: been alleged that a video has been shown in court 319 00:14:59,264 --> 00:15:03,824 Speaker 2: of him abusing Cassie. A key witness statement of a 320 00:15:03,864 --> 00:15:06,984 Speaker 2: male sex worker has given a statement saying that he 321 00:15:07,144 --> 00:15:09,304 Speaker 2: was involved and that he was paid to do these 322 00:15:09,304 --> 00:15:12,544 Speaker 2: sexual acts. I real horrific sexual acts. I don't want 323 00:15:12,544 --> 00:15:15,224 Speaker 2: to rehash over here on this podcast, but you can 324 00:15:15,264 --> 00:15:20,464 Speaker 2: find it online. So straight away it started off extremely 325 00:15:20,544 --> 00:15:25,104 Speaker 2: intense and up until now, Combs are still pleading not guilty, 326 00:15:25,264 --> 00:15:28,504 Speaker 2: and we also don't know if he will stand to testify. 327 00:15:28,704 --> 00:15:29,984 Speaker 2: It's likely he won't. 328 00:15:30,584 --> 00:15:33,024 Speaker 1: Yes, I think in those first those early days in 329 00:15:33,064 --> 00:15:35,504 Speaker 1: court was just about both sides sort of putting their 330 00:15:35,704 --> 00:15:37,944 Speaker 1: side of the case forward. What I thought was interesting, 331 00:15:37,944 --> 00:15:39,824 Speaker 1: which is quite common in cases like this, is that 332 00:15:39,864 --> 00:15:41,904 Speaker 1: Sean Combs's team did try and get some of the 333 00:15:41,984 --> 00:15:44,624 Speaker 1: jury members dismissed or even just like, you know, kind 334 00:15:44,664 --> 00:15:45,384 Speaker 1: of looked at them. 335 00:15:45,504 --> 00:15:47,304 Speaker 2: The choosing of the jury took quite a long time. 336 00:15:47,344 --> 00:15:49,344 Speaker 1: Well, I think, I mean, it's hard always, I think, 337 00:15:49,384 --> 00:15:51,384 Speaker 1: to find people to sit in a jury like this, 338 00:15:51,464 --> 00:15:53,824 Speaker 1: but especially in this case, because you're meant to come 339 00:15:53,864 --> 00:15:56,344 Speaker 1: into a court case like this with no prior knowledge, 340 00:15:56,664 --> 00:15:59,464 Speaker 1: no bias, no prejudice, anything like that. And that's what 341 00:15:59,464 --> 00:16:01,224 Speaker 1: they were trying to weed out, is anyone who could 342 00:16:01,224 --> 00:16:04,304 Speaker 1: have prejudiced against him, either because they knew him or 343 00:16:04,344 --> 00:16:06,744 Speaker 1: because of race. Was brought up quite a lot, a 344 00:16:06,784 --> 00:16:08,504 Speaker 1: lot of different things, and it is hard when you 345 00:16:08,584 --> 00:16:10,904 Speaker 1: got such a famous name to find people. Haven't looked 346 00:16:10,904 --> 00:16:13,944 Speaker 1: at the news cycle for over a year, and from 347 00:16:13,944 --> 00:16:15,984 Speaker 1: my understanding what was happening in the court, a lot 348 00:16:16,024 --> 00:16:18,064 Speaker 1: of the jury members that they tried to get removed 349 00:16:18,104 --> 00:16:20,184 Speaker 1: and end up getting removed so they're still on the trial. 350 00:16:20,704 --> 00:16:22,264 Speaker 1: Not that I have a huge amount of sympthy for 351 00:16:22,344 --> 00:16:24,624 Speaker 1: Sean Combs. But I do think for celebrities that is 352 00:16:24,664 --> 00:16:27,544 Speaker 1: a big thing. Like I remember when the Kardashians were 353 00:16:27,544 --> 00:16:30,464 Speaker 1: going to trial and when Black China was suing them 354 00:16:30,584 --> 00:16:32,744 Speaker 1: for loss of income after she alleged that they got 355 00:16:32,744 --> 00:16:35,144 Speaker 1: her show canceled, and she's the one who shares a 356 00:16:35,224 --> 00:16:37,984 Speaker 1: daughter with Robert Kardashian. There's a lot of footage of 357 00:16:37,984 --> 00:16:40,464 Speaker 1: the Kardashians talking about the fact that so many people 358 00:16:40,464 --> 00:16:42,424 Speaker 1: on the jury could just hate them because a lot 359 00:16:42,464 --> 00:16:46,024 Speaker 1: of people do just hate them, and how unless they 360 00:16:46,064 --> 00:16:48,504 Speaker 1: come out and say that and say they're prejudice and 361 00:16:48,544 --> 00:16:50,784 Speaker 1: they hate them, there's really no way to tell, and 362 00:16:50,784 --> 00:16:52,984 Speaker 1: then that can be biased against them. So that was 363 00:16:53,024 --> 00:16:54,984 Speaker 1: sort of the beginning they tried to sort of get 364 00:16:54,984 --> 00:16:57,664 Speaker 1: those jury members removed. And then what I also thought 365 00:16:57,704 --> 00:17:00,224 Speaker 1: was interesting was that a list of one hundred and 366 00:17:00,304 --> 00:17:03,904 Speaker 1: ninety names were presented to potential jurors in the case 367 00:17:03,944 --> 00:17:06,984 Speaker 1: against Sean Combs. And why that happened was that the 368 00:17:07,064 --> 00:17:09,424 Speaker 1: idea is that the potential jury members, before they're actually 369 00:17:09,464 --> 00:17:11,704 Speaker 1: put on the jury, will go through that list and 370 00:17:11,744 --> 00:17:14,144 Speaker 1: just see if there are any names that could stop 371 00:17:14,184 --> 00:17:16,704 Speaker 1: them from taking part in the trial. So someone they 372 00:17:16,744 --> 00:17:19,944 Speaker 1: had a former relationship with anyone who they had sort 373 00:17:19,984 --> 00:17:22,504 Speaker 1: of any prejudice against anyone who they need dealings with. 374 00:17:22,824 --> 00:17:25,104 Speaker 1: And why that's particularly important in this case is that 375 00:17:25,184 --> 00:17:27,544 Speaker 1: on that list of one hundred and ninety names were 376 00:17:27,624 --> 00:17:30,024 Speaker 1: obviously a lot of celebrity names because a lot of 377 00:17:30,024 --> 00:17:32,984 Speaker 1: celebrities have been caught up in this court case for 378 00:17:33,064 --> 00:17:35,664 Speaker 1: different reasons. We obviously don't know the full list, but 379 00:17:35,904 --> 00:17:38,504 Speaker 1: some names that were kind of bandied around as being 380 00:17:38,624 --> 00:17:41,024 Speaker 1: named were Kanye West, so I think a lot of 381 00:17:41,024 --> 00:17:43,344 Speaker 1: people are assuming that his name's going to get brought 382 00:17:43,344 --> 00:17:46,624 Speaker 1: into some sort of context around this. Michael B. Jordan, 383 00:17:46,784 --> 00:17:49,624 Speaker 1: Mike Myers were also names that were tossed around potentially 384 00:17:49,624 --> 00:17:52,904 Speaker 1: being in there, along with rapper Kid Cuddy, Michelle Williams 385 00:17:52,904 --> 00:17:55,864 Speaker 1: from Destiny's Child, not Michell Williams from Dawson's Creek. But 386 00:17:55,904 --> 00:17:57,704 Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know what's going to happen. Seeinger 387 00:17:57,784 --> 00:18:01,984 Speaker 1: Dawn Richard, producer Dallas Austin, rapper Young Miami. There's so 388 00:18:02,024 --> 00:18:03,984 Speaker 1: many different names on there. I mean, it's sort of 389 00:18:03,984 --> 00:18:05,624 Speaker 1: hard to say at this point in time what stories 390 00:18:05,664 --> 00:18:07,344 Speaker 1: are going to come out because what we do know 391 00:18:07,424 --> 00:18:10,344 Speaker 1: from the initial trial and initially when he was charged. 392 00:18:11,064 --> 00:18:12,784 Speaker 1: Is that a lot of the people who were in 393 00:18:12,824 --> 00:18:15,544 Speaker 1: the court case were given code names, so they would 394 00:18:15,544 --> 00:18:18,824 Speaker 1: say like Celebrity A or Celebrity B, and those are 395 00:18:18,824 --> 00:18:22,224 Speaker 1: thought to be really big names that potentially will come 396 00:18:22,264 --> 00:18:26,144 Speaker 1: out now as the trial is unfolding. But yes, that's 397 00:18:26,184 --> 00:18:28,184 Speaker 1: the names that have come up so far. But the 398 00:18:28,224 --> 00:18:30,384 Speaker 1: thing is a lot of these names could just be 399 00:18:30,384 --> 00:18:33,544 Speaker 1: because they were at a party and they were pictured. 400 00:18:33,544 --> 00:18:36,904 Speaker 1: There where allegations that something took place later on, because 401 00:18:36,904 --> 00:18:39,424 Speaker 1: you used to have those famous white parties and then 402 00:18:39,464 --> 00:18:42,824 Speaker 1: two it was like two separate parties and emerged that 403 00:18:42,904 --> 00:18:45,944 Speaker 1: got really blurry. So you had the famous white parties 404 00:18:45,984 --> 00:18:48,864 Speaker 1: where we saw the massive group shots when Jennifi Lopez 405 00:18:48,864 --> 00:18:53,584 Speaker 1: and Leonardo DiCaprio like these big celebrities, every celebrity. But 406 00:18:53,624 --> 00:18:55,944 Speaker 1: then we later found out that there was also like 407 00:18:56,384 --> 00:18:59,584 Speaker 1: another separate kind of event that was labeled the freak 408 00:18:59,664 --> 00:19:04,544 Speaker 1: off parties that were so horrific and so terrifying, and 409 00:19:04,944 --> 00:19:09,264 Speaker 1: only a selection of people went to those like certain events. 410 00:19:09,304 --> 00:19:12,104 Speaker 1: And I think where blurs is like we as a 411 00:19:12,144 --> 00:19:15,904 Speaker 1: public don't know who went to those ones. Yeah, but yeah, 412 00:19:15,944 --> 00:19:17,104 Speaker 1: it is going to be one of those things where 413 00:19:17,104 --> 00:19:18,704 Speaker 1: I think a lot of names get pulled in and 414 00:19:18,744 --> 00:19:21,264 Speaker 1: out of the different court hearings, whether they were at 415 00:19:21,304 --> 00:19:23,504 Speaker 1: the party or directly involved. So that's something that's still 416 00:19:23,544 --> 00:19:27,744 Speaker 1: going to happen. The other interesting thing, as you were saying, 417 00:19:27,824 --> 00:19:30,544 Speaker 1: is that Sean Combs, he has five children, and they 418 00:19:30,584 --> 00:19:33,944 Speaker 1: have really sort of been really standing by him throughout 419 00:19:33,984 --> 00:19:36,584 Speaker 1: the last few years this has been going on. The 420 00:19:36,664 --> 00:19:39,144 Speaker 1: five kids have been going into every different court appearance. 421 00:19:39,544 --> 00:19:43,104 Speaker 1: They've put out statements defending their father, posting photos, posting 422 00:19:43,104 --> 00:19:46,024 Speaker 1: photos of him saying we believe you these are heinous lies, 423 00:19:46,064 --> 00:19:49,344 Speaker 1: like they're all in on supporting their father. But yes, 424 00:19:49,384 --> 00:19:52,944 Speaker 1: his three daughters, so Chance Combs, who's only just recently 425 00:19:53,144 --> 00:19:56,264 Speaker 1: graduated high school, and eighteen year old twins Delilah and 426 00:19:56,384 --> 00:19:59,464 Speaker 1: Jesse Combs, were all in the courtroom. But when that 427 00:19:59,584 --> 00:20:02,904 Speaker 1: video was showed, and also when evidence was being given 428 00:20:02,944 --> 00:20:06,584 Speaker 1: from that male sex worker involving all the graphic details 429 00:20:06,624 --> 00:20:09,304 Speaker 1: of what they said Sean Comes has done, that's when 430 00:20:09,344 --> 00:20:12,824 Speaker 1: his three daughters got up and left the courtroom, but 431 00:20:12,944 --> 00:20:15,824 Speaker 1: his son stayed in. But apparently because it's obviously not 432 00:20:15,864 --> 00:20:18,024 Speaker 1: seeing like live streams in the court room or anything 433 00:20:18,104 --> 00:20:20,904 Speaker 1: like that, but there's the artist pictures that come out, 434 00:20:21,024 --> 00:20:23,904 Speaker 1: and also different reports of what was happening. There's different 435 00:20:23,944 --> 00:20:25,344 Speaker 1: people in there who are reporting. 436 00:20:25,824 --> 00:20:30,904 Speaker 2: His three daughters left during the witness statements and the allegations, 437 00:20:30,944 --> 00:20:34,264 Speaker 2: but then when they played the video of Seawan Combs 438 00:20:34,304 --> 00:20:38,224 Speaker 2: allegedly like beating Cassie, they stayed in the court and 439 00:20:38,424 --> 00:20:42,664 Speaker 2: his mum and daughters just looked straight ahead, but his 440 00:20:42,784 --> 00:20:45,264 Speaker 2: sons did turn and watch the video. And these are 441 00:20:45,304 --> 00:20:46,984 Speaker 2: all just like court reportings that. 442 00:20:46,944 --> 00:20:50,344 Speaker 1: Have come out. Yeah, exactly. I mean that video with 443 00:20:51,184 --> 00:20:54,264 Speaker 1: Sean Combs where he's allegedly which again we just have 444 00:20:54,264 --> 00:20:57,024 Speaker 1: to keep saying allegedly and what this is happening, allegedly 445 00:20:57,344 --> 00:21:02,464 Speaker 1: beating Cassie was such a visceral and disturbing thing that 446 00:21:02,664 --> 00:21:05,264 Speaker 1: was released via scene and when a lot of this 447 00:21:05,504 --> 00:21:08,624 Speaker 1: was really kicking off, and the video was taken in 448 00:21:08,664 --> 00:21:11,224 Speaker 1: a hotel room in la in two thousand and sixteen, 449 00:21:11,664 --> 00:21:13,104 Speaker 1: and when it was released, it was one of those 450 00:21:13,104 --> 00:21:15,464 Speaker 1: things There'd been a lot of allegations against Sean Combs 451 00:21:15,464 --> 00:21:17,904 Speaker 1: for such a long time, but this video just came 452 00:21:17,944 --> 00:21:20,144 Speaker 1: out and it just got world wide attention and it 453 00:21:20,184 --> 00:21:22,624 Speaker 1: was very hard for anyone to sort of deny this 454 00:21:22,744 --> 00:21:25,104 Speaker 1: story that had been bubbling by behind the scenes for 455 00:21:25,144 --> 00:21:27,944 Speaker 1: a long time. At the time, Sean Combs did a 456 00:21:27,984 --> 00:21:30,664 Speaker 1: film and apology remember that. Oh my gosh, yes, filmed 457 00:21:30,704 --> 00:21:33,664 Speaker 1: an apology. Said he was kind of like taken his 458 00:21:33,704 --> 00:21:34,944 Speaker 1: emotions kind of took over. 459 00:21:35,024 --> 00:21:38,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was so early on, Yeah, before all of 460 00:21:38,584 --> 00:21:42,064 Speaker 2: the other witness statements happened. And I think him doing 461 00:21:42,144 --> 00:21:44,984 Speaker 2: that statement like on video. It was like an Instagram 462 00:21:45,104 --> 00:21:47,144 Speaker 2: video or something, and it was literally so casually. 463 00:21:47,304 --> 00:21:49,104 Speaker 1: It was just him like sitting in front of a wall, 464 00:21:49,144 --> 00:21:50,864 Speaker 1: look like he just propped his phone up. Like the 465 00:21:50,904 --> 00:21:52,664 Speaker 1: classic celebrities when they have to, you know, make an 466 00:21:52,664 --> 00:21:54,744 Speaker 1: apology video and they make it look really low key 467 00:21:55,144 --> 00:21:57,624 Speaker 1: and they wear a really pale colors. They look more innocent, 468 00:21:57,824 --> 00:22:00,024 Speaker 1: and they make sure they look kind of like a 469 00:22:00,064 --> 00:22:02,264 Speaker 1: little beaten down and tired, so that you have, like, 470 00:22:02,344 --> 00:22:04,504 Speaker 1: even if you don't want to, like you know better, 471 00:22:04,584 --> 00:22:07,144 Speaker 1: like all your senses tell you to give this person 472 00:22:07,264 --> 00:22:09,664 Speaker 1: sympathy because they look broken and they look sad and 473 00:22:09,664 --> 00:22:12,544 Speaker 1: they look sorry and member. At the time, we also 474 00:22:12,584 --> 00:22:16,064 Speaker 1: said that we looked under the comments section under the 475 00:22:16,144 --> 00:22:18,944 Speaker 1: video and so many people, like thousands and thousands of 476 00:22:18,984 --> 00:22:22,344 Speaker 1: people were supporting him and either accepting his apology or 477 00:22:22,384 --> 00:22:24,664 Speaker 1: saying they didn't believe it, or that people were trying 478 00:22:24,704 --> 00:22:26,504 Speaker 1: to bring him down, like he still has such a 479 00:22:26,584 --> 00:22:27,384 Speaker 1: huge fan base. 480 00:22:27,424 --> 00:22:30,624 Speaker 2: He has a massive fan base. But I think we 481 00:22:30,664 --> 00:22:33,184 Speaker 2: could see as we were talking about the case as 482 00:22:33,184 --> 00:22:35,984 Speaker 2: it went on, with everything leading up until now for 483 00:22:35,984 --> 00:22:39,744 Speaker 2: the past two years, that you slowly saw like his 484 00:22:39,904 --> 00:22:41,624 Speaker 2: hardcore fans drop out. 485 00:22:42,184 --> 00:22:44,184 Speaker 1: When the video was brought up in the court case, 486 00:22:44,304 --> 00:22:47,264 Speaker 1: Shawn Crome's team came out and said, like their client 487 00:22:47,264 --> 00:22:51,184 Speaker 1: has already said, the video is indefensible, horrible, and dehumanizing. 488 00:22:51,504 --> 00:22:55,184 Speaker 1: But their argument is that it's more evidence of domestic 489 00:22:55,304 --> 00:22:59,704 Speaker 1: violence rather than evidence of sex trafficking or any offenses 490 00:22:59,744 --> 00:23:02,184 Speaker 1: that Seawan comes is charged with, which is kind of 491 00:23:02,224 --> 00:23:04,664 Speaker 1: an interesting because they're saying it's a personal issue between 492 00:23:04,704 --> 00:23:07,344 Speaker 1: these two people who were in a long term relationship. 493 00:23:07,704 --> 00:23:11,184 Speaker 1: It's nothing to do with these allegations against different men 494 00:23:11,224 --> 00:23:13,224 Speaker 1: and women who have come forward with like things that 495 00:23:13,264 --> 00:23:15,544 Speaker 1: happened to them at parties or things that happened to 496 00:23:15,544 --> 00:23:18,304 Speaker 1: them in Shawn Crome's recording studio and all that sort 497 00:23:18,304 --> 00:23:20,504 Speaker 1: of stuff. His team was also saying that this is 498 00:23:20,544 --> 00:23:23,664 Speaker 1: a disturbing language in here, saying that Cassie made a 499 00:23:23,744 --> 00:23:26,424 Speaker 1: choice every single day for years to stay with him 500 00:23:26,464 --> 00:23:28,304 Speaker 1: and because that was the kind of choice for her. 501 00:23:28,824 --> 00:23:31,784 Speaker 1: And they've also linked the idea that he was her 502 00:23:31,824 --> 00:23:34,544 Speaker 1: livelihood and she depended on keeping him happy, because this 503 00:23:34,744 --> 00:23:36,704 Speaker 1: conversation keeps coming up, all if he did that, then 504 00:23:36,704 --> 00:23:38,664 Speaker 1: why didn't she leave? Which I think we can all know, 505 00:23:38,784 --> 00:23:41,384 Speaker 1: like you know, separate to this case is not a 506 00:23:41,424 --> 00:23:44,904 Speaker 1: defense for anyone in a domestic violence setting. And the 507 00:23:44,944 --> 00:23:48,664 Speaker 1: defense also said the couple's relationship was complicated, at times violent, 508 00:23:48,744 --> 00:23:52,224 Speaker 1: and that jealousy was a really constant presence in their relationship. 509 00:23:52,424 --> 00:23:55,944 Speaker 1: So everything we've heard so far about his relationship with 510 00:23:55,984 --> 00:23:58,544 Speaker 1: Cassie and everything this video and all the allegations, they're 511 00:23:58,584 --> 00:24:00,464 Speaker 1: really trying to almost frame it as if they had 512 00:24:00,464 --> 00:24:03,744 Speaker 1: this torred, intense love affair that they think should be separate, 513 00:24:03,784 --> 00:24:05,864 Speaker 1: because that's the other thing that Shawn Crome's defense team 514 00:24:05,864 --> 00:24:08,384 Speaker 1: has really been pushing. They're pushing the fact that they 515 00:24:08,424 --> 00:24:11,224 Speaker 1: think he's been punished for his sexual prefer diferences, which 516 00:24:11,224 --> 00:24:13,424 Speaker 1: they brought up a few times. They're like, Sean Comb's 517 00:24:13,464 --> 00:24:15,984 Speaker 1: engaged in a different kind of lifestyle. He preferred to 518 00:24:15,984 --> 00:24:18,864 Speaker 1: swing a lifestyle, he's very sexually open, and they're trying 519 00:24:18,864 --> 00:24:22,344 Speaker 1: to almost say that he's been demonized for his sexual choices, 520 00:24:22,784 --> 00:24:24,664 Speaker 1: where I just think it's really important to you can't 521 00:24:24,704 --> 00:24:26,584 Speaker 1: take someone to court because they like to have sex 522 00:24:26,624 --> 00:24:28,464 Speaker 1: with a lot of people. Yeah, Like that's that's just 523 00:24:28,464 --> 00:24:30,064 Speaker 1: a fact. You can't take someone to court because they 524 00:24:30,144 --> 00:24:32,624 Speaker 1: cheat on their partner. Like the charges against him are 525 00:24:32,664 --> 00:24:34,344 Speaker 1: so much more serious than that, And I just think 526 00:24:34,384 --> 00:24:37,064 Speaker 1: it's very telling that his team is they're really trying 527 00:24:37,104 --> 00:24:38,264 Speaker 1: to frame it in a different way. 528 00:24:38,584 --> 00:24:41,584 Speaker 2: And what's frustrating is that I feel like some of 529 00:24:41,624 --> 00:24:44,744 Speaker 2: the headlines I've seen are kind of leaning into a 530 00:24:44,864 --> 00:24:48,184 Speaker 2: narrative that I couldn't even like I wasn't even able 531 00:24:48,224 --> 00:24:50,384 Speaker 2: to read with all the court reporting. Yeah, Like I 532 00:24:50,424 --> 00:24:54,544 Speaker 2: saw so many headlines about that just had Cassie paid 533 00:24:54,624 --> 00:24:57,664 Speaker 2: sex worker to do sexual acts with her, And then 534 00:24:57,744 --> 00:25:00,584 Speaker 2: you go into the actual reporting of the court and 535 00:25:00,624 --> 00:25:03,144 Speaker 2: it's like so much more like that. One key witness 536 00:25:03,184 --> 00:25:07,384 Speaker 2: statement with the sex worker, he did say that Cassie 537 00:25:07,424 --> 00:25:10,104 Speaker 2: paid him to do things and that she was asking 538 00:25:10,184 --> 00:25:12,864 Speaker 2: him to do things to her, But in that same statement, 539 00:25:12,944 --> 00:25:15,424 Speaker 2: he also said that Sean Combs was in the room 540 00:25:15,504 --> 00:25:18,184 Speaker 2: watching it happen and was also giving instructions. Yeah, and 541 00:25:18,224 --> 00:25:21,264 Speaker 2: he allegedly heard him abuse her. Yeah, and she came 542 00:25:21,344 --> 00:25:23,584 Speaker 2: running into the room and he asked her, like why 543 00:25:23,584 --> 00:25:26,264 Speaker 2: didn't you leave? And it's about it's all about this power. 544 00:25:26,464 --> 00:25:29,424 Speaker 2: Like I think what I'm really nervous about here is like, 545 00:25:29,504 --> 00:25:32,304 Speaker 2: as this case goes on, it's so easy to just 546 00:25:32,304 --> 00:25:35,264 Speaker 2: like be skimming a news website and just get see. 547 00:25:35,104 --> 00:25:38,024 Speaker 1: The eddlines and it's just for celebrity names, all looking 548 00:25:38,184 --> 00:25:40,304 Speaker 1: for like little pop out facts of like oh, like 549 00:25:40,344 --> 00:25:42,424 Speaker 1: Cassie liked to like had sex with the prostitute, so 550 00:25:42,464 --> 00:25:44,544 Speaker 1: she must have been in on the whole thing without 551 00:25:44,584 --> 00:25:47,744 Speaker 1: reading through. Yeah, you have to read the actual reporting. 552 00:25:47,784 --> 00:25:48,984 Speaker 1: And I'm like, we'll take you in. 553 00:25:49,104 --> 00:25:52,504 Speaker 2: Like two minutes, but like all of the details like 554 00:25:52,544 --> 00:25:54,784 Speaker 2: that gives you the whole picture of everything that's happened, 555 00:25:54,784 --> 00:25:58,664 Speaker 2: including the entire statements by witnesses that is all in there. Yes, 556 00:25:58,704 --> 00:26:00,344 Speaker 2: it doesn't just stop at the headline. 557 00:26:00,584 --> 00:26:03,744 Speaker 1: That's also what's interesting about that video from twenty sixteen 558 00:26:03,824 --> 00:26:07,304 Speaker 1: that shows him again allegedly assaulting her, and it's so graphic, 559 00:26:07,344 --> 00:26:09,624 Speaker 1: but people have still been able to find loopholes for 560 00:26:09,664 --> 00:26:11,544 Speaker 1: that and saying, well, we don't know what the lead 561 00:26:11,584 --> 00:26:13,624 Speaker 1: up was, we don't know what happened after, like maybe 562 00:26:13,664 --> 00:26:15,664 Speaker 1: she also attacked him. Like there's a lot of different 563 00:26:15,944 --> 00:26:17,424 Speaker 1: and like I guess the good thing is a lot 564 00:26:17,464 --> 00:26:20,464 Speaker 1: of that chatter that's happening online can't actually be brought 565 00:26:20,504 --> 00:26:22,264 Speaker 1: into the court room because it could just be people, 566 00:26:22,304 --> 00:26:24,544 Speaker 1: you know, just giving their thoughts that don't have any 567 00:26:24,624 --> 00:26:27,264 Speaker 1: kind of fact. But now we actually have people come 568 00:26:27,344 --> 00:26:30,504 Speaker 1: forward testifying that they saw what happened and giving all 569 00:26:30,504 --> 00:26:33,304 Speaker 1: this extra context. And one statement I thought was really 570 00:26:33,304 --> 00:26:36,304 Speaker 1: interesting was Israel Flores, who was a former security guard 571 00:26:36,344 --> 00:26:39,744 Speaker 1: at the hotel in la where the alleged assault video 572 00:26:40,144 --> 00:26:44,224 Speaker 1: took place in twenty sixteen, and he's now a police officer, 573 00:26:44,304 --> 00:26:46,024 Speaker 1: and he said at the time, when he was working 574 00:26:46,024 --> 00:26:48,544 Speaker 1: there as a security guard, when Shawn Crimes and Cassie 575 00:26:48,584 --> 00:26:51,304 Speaker 1: were staying at the hotel, he was called to their 576 00:26:51,344 --> 00:26:53,504 Speaker 1: floor because there is a report there was a woman 577 00:26:53,544 --> 00:26:56,664 Speaker 1: in distress. He kind of arrived after it happened, and 578 00:26:56,744 --> 00:26:58,984 Speaker 1: he said that Sean Cromes was just wearing a towel 579 00:26:59,264 --> 00:27:00,904 Speaker 1: and he was sitting on a chair and he was 580 00:27:00,984 --> 00:27:04,984 Speaker 1: slouched down with a really blank stare, like a devilish stare, 581 00:27:05,144 --> 00:27:07,104 Speaker 1: just looking at me. That's a quote from him from 582 00:27:07,104 --> 00:27:10,584 Speaker 1: the court case. He said that Cassie really wanted to leave, 583 00:27:10,704 --> 00:27:12,544 Speaker 1: but that Shawn comes stopped her. So this is what 584 00:27:12,584 --> 00:27:15,224 Speaker 1: he's saying on the record in the court room. He 585 00:27:15,264 --> 00:27:17,784 Speaker 1: said that Shawn Clmmes told her, you're not going to leave. 586 00:27:18,344 --> 00:27:20,864 Speaker 1: And then he says that he said to Shawan Colmes, 587 00:27:20,904 --> 00:27:23,384 Speaker 1: if she wants to leave, she's going to leave. And 588 00:27:23,704 --> 00:27:26,424 Speaker 1: Israel Flores and said that Shawn Cromes offered him money, 589 00:27:26,664 --> 00:27:28,904 Speaker 1: which the guard said was a bribe, and he said, 590 00:27:28,944 --> 00:27:31,984 Speaker 1: I'll give you this much money, but don't tell anybody. Basically, 591 00:27:31,984 --> 00:27:33,624 Speaker 1: they're saying that they think that was a pattern of 592 00:27:33,664 --> 00:27:35,624 Speaker 1: behavior that he would pay off a lot of people 593 00:27:35,664 --> 00:27:38,584 Speaker 1: allegedly along the way, which is why there aren't more 594 00:27:39,504 --> 00:27:42,024 Speaker 1: people coming forward. But that's like quite a damning statement 595 00:27:42,064 --> 00:27:43,824 Speaker 1: from someone who said because that's always the hardest thing 596 00:27:43,824 --> 00:27:46,224 Speaker 1: in these cases, like you need evidence or you need 597 00:27:46,264 --> 00:27:48,744 Speaker 1: a witness to say I saw this happen. So I 598 00:27:48,744 --> 00:27:51,064 Speaker 1: think that's very damning for someone to come forward with 599 00:27:51,144 --> 00:27:54,304 Speaker 1: their name. And I also remember like the date, the 600 00:27:54,424 --> 00:27:57,264 Speaker 1: time what they saw, which is why a lot of 601 00:27:57,304 --> 00:28:00,504 Speaker 1: other witnesses who came forward, like their stories couldn't be 602 00:28:00,584 --> 00:28:03,584 Speaker 1: proven because they might have gotten dates mixed up, or 603 00:28:03,984 --> 00:28:06,704 Speaker 1: they didn't have evidence of like getting in a car 604 00:28:06,744 --> 00:28:09,064 Speaker 1: that night. So a lot of people's stories who came 605 00:28:09,144 --> 00:28:11,904 Speaker 1: forward weren't able to go to trial because I didn't 606 00:28:11,904 --> 00:28:14,024 Speaker 1: have evidence. But I think it's really interesting that this 607 00:28:14,064 --> 00:28:16,504 Speaker 1: one has basically like a key witness. 608 00:28:16,704 --> 00:28:20,224 Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, that's like literally everything that's happened just 609 00:28:20,584 --> 00:28:25,264 Speaker 2: in one whole day in court. And this case is 610 00:28:25,344 --> 00:28:28,504 Speaker 2: so messy and there's so many moving parts, and there's 611 00:28:28,544 --> 00:28:32,744 Speaker 2: so much tragedy within this one case, and it's really 612 00:28:32,784 --> 00:28:35,624 Speaker 2: hard to listen to, but also such an important listen. 613 00:28:35,864 --> 00:28:38,864 Speaker 2: So we will put a whole bunch of links to 614 00:28:38,944 --> 00:28:41,704 Speaker 2: articles because we are covering this on site as well 615 00:28:41,944 --> 00:28:43,904 Speaker 2: if you want to read more. But we will still 616 00:28:43,944 --> 00:28:47,104 Speaker 2: be updating everyone on the key moments that are happening, yes. 617 00:28:46,944 --> 00:28:49,864 Speaker 1: Because there's still so much like this is only, I think, 618 00:28:49,944 --> 00:28:51,904 Speaker 1: really the tip of the iceberg. So there'll be a 619 00:28:51,944 --> 00:28:53,984 Speaker 1: lot more days in court, a lot more testimonyal a 620 00:28:53,984 --> 00:28:57,064 Speaker 1: lot more evidence, and even though it is sometimes difficult 621 00:28:57,104 --> 00:28:58,544 Speaker 1: to wait, so I think it's important that we keep 622 00:28:58,584 --> 00:28:59,024 Speaker 1: across it. 623 00:28:59,224 --> 00:29:01,544 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 624 00:29:01,624 --> 00:29:04,304 Speaker 2: The Spill is produced by Georgie Page with sound production 625 00:29:04,344 --> 00:29:06,304 Speaker 2: by Scott Stronik, and will be back here in your 626 00:29:06,304 --> 00:29:14,304 Speaker 2: podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. Bye. Byellen Lello.