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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 2: The Quikie. How are you feeling after a weekend of

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Speaker 2: scrolling that might have served your social media feeds? Some

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Speaker 2: funny cats, your favorite influencer's divorce announcement, and also the

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Speaker 2: US bombing Iran. It's weird, right that, jumping from terrible

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Speaker 2: tragedy to lolls in a single swipe. Our new Daily

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Speaker 2: contributing editor Amy Ramikers has introduced us to a word

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Speaker 2: to describe that. It's called hypernormalization. Before we find out

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Speaker 2: what that means and how it exactly explains how we're

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Speaker 2: feeling about the world right now, here's the letters from

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Speaker 2: the Cookie Newsroom, Tuesday, June twenty four. In retaliation against

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Speaker 2: the US bombing three of its nuclear weapons facilities over

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Speaker 2: the weekend, Iran says they've carried out a devastating and

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Speaker 2: powerful missile attack on a US air base in Katar.

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Speaker 2: Qatar's defense minister says its air defenses had intercepted missiles

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Speaker 2: directed at the air base, the largest US military installation

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East, situated just across the Gulf from Iran.

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Speaker 2: Katari and US authorities say there were no casualties, Katar

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Speaker 2: condemning the attack and saying they reserve the right to respond. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: Israel has kept up its assault on Iran, bombing a

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Speaker 2: jail for political prisoners in Tehran in a demonstration they're

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Speaker 2: expanding its targets beyond military and nuclear sites, potentially aiming

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Speaker 2: to attack Iran's ruling system. The jury members who will

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Speaker 2: decide the fate of accused triple murderer Aaron Patterson a

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Speaker 2: due to return to court today where a judge will

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Speaker 2: give them final directions. Just as Christopher Biale is set

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Speaker 2: to begin his final directions to the jury, known as

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Speaker 2: the judge's charge. This is expected to run for about

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Speaker 2: two days. He will summarize the evidence in the trial

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Speaker 2: and explain to jurors the relevant legal principles. They will

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Speaker 2: then be balloted down to twelve who will be sent

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Speaker 2: away to deliberate on whether Patterson is guilty or knock

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Speaker 2: Giding guilty of three murders and one attempted murder. Jurors

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Speaker 2: with a unanimous verdict donald charges. The trial has entered

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Speaker 2: week nine after hearing from more than fifty prosecution witnesses

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Speaker 2: before Patterson herself entered the witness box for eight days.

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Speaker 2: Patterson's barrister, Colin Mandy, said his client was innocent and

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Speaker 2: accused prosecutors of trying to force pieces of evidence together

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Speaker 2: to prove their theory. Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers said Patterson

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Speaker 2: was guilty of deliberately sourcing death cap mushrooms and serving

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Speaker 2: them to her guests to either kill or seriously injure them,

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Speaker 2: and cited Pattison's repeated lies. Patterson has pleaded not guilty

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Speaker 2: in laws, Don and Gale Patterson, and Gail's sister, Heather Wilkinson.

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Speaker 2: including one Australian, have been arrested in a two month

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Speaker 2: drug crackdown in Indonesia. Authorities paraded thirds six of the suspects,

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Speaker 2: the confiscated drugs. Police saying they've seized more than half

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Speaker 2: uncovering money laundering schemes and confiscating assets worth more than

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Speaker 2: hundred private jets are expected to land at Venice's Marco

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Speaker 2: Journalist Amy Remiquez just wrote a piece for The New

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Speaker 2: impacting our mental health, but it's also become our normal.

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't just apply to war either. It also

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Speaker 2: the concept of hypernormalization start and how does it shape

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Speaker 1: Well, it was actually influenced by the last years of

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Speaker 1: and the concept that he came up with was hyper normalization,

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Speaker 1: and what he meant by that was everyone in the

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Speaker 2: And this is something you really tied into something that

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Speaker 1: it's supposed to work. But hypernormalization basically feeds into this

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Speaker 1: And while it is really important to stay connected to

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Speaker 2: You kind of touched on this before about refusing to

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Speaker 2: accept this normality, and in fact, especially when we're talking

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Speaker 2: realize all along that there was was when Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: and Alexandra Cortez was being interviewed about it and she

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Speaker 2: something that maybe we struggle to think about is that

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Speaker 2: maybe our form of government isn't working. Maybe our form

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Speaker 2: not serving us. And so maybe these are the moments

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Speaker 2: that we have to start looking at what might.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely And I think that as people watch tech giants

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Speaker 1: is serving us. If it ever did. You can go

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Speaker 2: Taking the time to feed your mind with us today

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Speaker 2: will Pop a link to both Amy's new Daily article

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Speaker 2: want to look into hyperenomalization a little more. The quickie

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