1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,174 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:19,054 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,054 --> 00:00:21,254 Speaker 2: Hi. 5 00:00:21,414 --> 00:00:24,894 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MEA's twice daily news podcast, 6 00:00:24,934 --> 00:00:28,854 Speaker 1: The Quickie. The Menendez brothers, the subject of a recent 7 00:00:28,934 --> 00:00:32,894 Speaker 1: Netflix biographical crime drama, are right now waiting to see 8 00:00:32,934 --> 00:00:36,094 Speaker 1: if they will soon be walking free from prison. The brothers, 9 00:00:36,094 --> 00:00:38,454 Speaker 1: who are convicted of murdering their parents back in nineteen 10 00:00:38,494 --> 00:00:41,094 Speaker 1: eighty nine, are currently serving a life sentence without the 11 00:00:41,174 --> 00:00:44,334 Speaker 1: possibility of parole, but the sentence for the pairs being 12 00:00:44,374 --> 00:00:47,734 Speaker 1: reconsidered with the better understanding we have for the victims 13 00:00:47,774 --> 00:00:50,654 Speaker 1: of sexual abuse. But what does that mean for Lyle 14 00:00:50,694 --> 00:00:53,174 Speaker 1: and Eric Menndez? What life are they facing on the 15 00:00:53,214 --> 00:00:55,454 Speaker 1: outside when the majority of their time on this earth 16 00:00:55,574 --> 00:00:58,094 Speaker 1: has been on the inside. Before we delve into that, 17 00:00:58,174 --> 00:01:00,974 Speaker 1: here's the latest from the Quickie Newsroom, Tuesday, November five. 18 00:01:01,414 --> 00:01:04,574 Speaker 1: An unprecedented election campaign is coming to a close, with 19 00:01:04,694 --> 00:01:08,734 Speaker 1: Harrison Trump making their final push for the presidency. This campaign, 20 00:01:08,774 --> 00:01:12,574 Speaker 1: which has seen multiple assassination attempts, an incumbent president pushed 21 00:01:12,574 --> 00:01:15,574 Speaker 1: off the ticket, and a candidate facing a felony trial 22 00:01:15,814 --> 00:01:18,654 Speaker 1: will now wrap up with Kamala Harris spending her final 23 00:01:18,694 --> 00:01:22,694 Speaker 1: hours before the polls open in Pennsylvania, whose nineteen electoral 24 00:01:22,774 --> 00:01:26,094 Speaker 1: votes offered the largest prize amongst those states expected to 25 00:01:26,094 --> 00:01:29,574 Speaker 1: determine the electoral College outcome. Meanwhile, Donald Trump has a 26 00:01:29,614 --> 00:01:33,374 Speaker 1: massive four rallies across three states, starting in North Carolina 27 00:01:33,494 --> 00:01:36,934 Speaker 1: before two stops in Pennsylvania and ending in Grand Rapids 28 00:01:36,934 --> 00:01:40,654 Speaker 1: in Michigan. Seventy eight million Americans have voted early, but 29 00:01:40,814 --> 00:01:43,574 Speaker 1: Harris and Trump are hoping to encourage many more millions 30 00:01:43,574 --> 00:01:45,894 Speaker 1: to head to the polls to help determine who will 31 00:01:45,934 --> 00:01:49,254 Speaker 1: run the country by the end of the week. Quincy Jones, 32 00:01:49,334 --> 00:01:52,454 Speaker 1: the legendary music producer who worked with stars from Frank 33 00:01:52,494 --> 00:01:55,814 Speaker 1: Sinatra to Michael Jackson, has passed away age ninety one. 34 00:01:56,214 --> 00:01:59,294 Speaker 1: The Chicago born musicians started as a trumpet player for 35 00:01:59,414 --> 00:02:02,534 Speaker 1: jazz bands before turning his hand to producing. His work 36 00:02:02,574 --> 00:02:06,014 Speaker 1: included Michael Jackson's Thriller album, which would become the biggest 37 00:02:06,014 --> 00:02:09,214 Speaker 1: selling album of all time. He produced and conducted the 38 00:02:09,214 --> 00:02:12,054 Speaker 1: wiel Now, the World Choir of Superstars for famine relief 39 00:02:12,054 --> 00:02:14,574 Speaker 1: in Africa. The theme music for the Fresh Prince of 40 00:02:14,574 --> 00:02:17,094 Speaker 1: bel Air and the score for the movie The Color Purple. 41 00:02:17,454 --> 00:02:19,734 Speaker 1: He retired in twenty eighteen with a list of too 42 00:02:19,814 --> 00:02:22,934 Speaker 1: many to mention of number one hits and platinum albums. 43 00:02:23,294 --> 00:02:25,974 Speaker 1: His publicists confirmed the news of his passing, saying he 44 00:02:26,014 --> 00:02:29,094 Speaker 1: died surrounded by family, including his seven children, at home 45 00:02:29,134 --> 00:02:31,894 Speaker 1: on Sunday, The family releasing a statement that it was 46 00:02:31,934 --> 00:02:34,374 Speaker 1: an incredible loss for them, but that they wanted to 47 00:02:34,414 --> 00:02:36,814 Speaker 1: celebrate the great life he lived and know there will 48 00:02:36,814 --> 00:02:40,414 Speaker 1: never be another like him. The Inquest into the disappearance 49 00:02:40,454 --> 00:02:43,854 Speaker 1: of toddler William Tyrell in twenty fourteen will investigate the 50 00:02:43,894 --> 00:02:47,374 Speaker 1: extent of the search and allegations of an accidental death 51 00:02:47,414 --> 00:02:50,094 Speaker 1: and disposal of his body. The three year old went 52 00:02:50,134 --> 00:02:52,894 Speaker 1: missing while playing on the verandah of his foster grandmother's 53 00:02:52,934 --> 00:02:55,174 Speaker 1: home in Kendall on the New South Wales Mid North 54 00:02:55,214 --> 00:02:58,934 Speaker 1: Coast on September twelve, twenty fourteen. An extensive search and 55 00:02:59,014 --> 00:03:04,214 Speaker 1: following investigation has seen many theories tested and investigation techniques questioned, 56 00:03:04,414 --> 00:03:07,254 Speaker 1: but nothing has managed to find the missing boy. The 57 00:03:07,294 --> 00:03:10,454 Speaker 1: inquest into what happened to William reopened year yesterday. The 58 00:03:10,494 --> 00:03:13,054 Speaker 1: focus will be on the twenty twenty one police search, 59 00:03:13,214 --> 00:03:15,734 Speaker 1: as well as the theory William died in an accident 60 00:03:16,014 --> 00:03:18,974 Speaker 1: and his body disposed of by his foster mother. The 61 00:03:19,014 --> 00:03:21,894 Speaker 1: Council assisting saying the alleged motive was that the woman 62 00:03:21,934 --> 00:03:24,734 Speaker 1: and her husband would lose custody of another child under 63 00:03:24,774 --> 00:03:28,894 Speaker 1: their care if the death was discovered. Australia's spy agency 64 00:03:29,014 --> 00:03:32,894 Speaker 1: says they've interrupted nine terror attacks, disruptions and incidents in 65 00:03:32,974 --> 00:03:35,654 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, with none of them linked to events 66 00:03:35,654 --> 00:03:39,054 Speaker 1: in the Middle East. Hamas's terror attack against Israel and 67 00:03:39,334 --> 00:03:43,094 Speaker 1: Israel's subsequent retaliation has raised the temperature of the security 68 00:03:43,174 --> 00:03:46,734 Speaker 1: environment in Australia and made the climate more permissive of violence, 69 00:03:46,774 --> 00:03:50,094 Speaker 1: according to ASIO Director General Mike Burgess, but he says 70 00:03:50,094 --> 00:03:53,894 Speaker 1: that while religiously motivated violent extremism makes up the majority 71 00:03:53,894 --> 00:03:56,654 Speaker 1: of the agency's work, there's been no links between the 72 00:03:56,694 --> 00:04:00,174 Speaker 1: war and Gaza and any terror incidents in Australia. A 73 00:04:00,214 --> 00:04:04,254 Speaker 1: third of the nine cases involved religiously motivated violent extremism, 74 00:04:04,494 --> 00:04:08,254 Speaker 1: while the rest were motivated by racist or nationalist ideologies. 75 00:04:08,614 --> 00:04:11,774 Speaker 1: All involved young people alone or in small groups with 76 00:04:11,894 --> 00:04:15,334 Speaker 1: simple weapons. Mister Burgess says he is concerned with how 77 00:04:15,414 --> 00:04:18,414 Speaker 1: quickly young people are being radicalized and with little to 78 00:04:18,414 --> 00:04:21,894 Speaker 1: no warning, making it harder for intelligence to track. He's 79 00:04:21,934 --> 00:04:24,654 Speaker 1: also concerned about the re emergence of terror groups like 80 00:04:24,734 --> 00:04:28,054 Speaker 1: ISIL and al Qayeder. That's what's happening in the world today. Next, 81 00:04:28,054 --> 00:04:31,414 Speaker 1: the Menendez brothers are potentially about to walk free from jail. 82 00:04:31,734 --> 00:04:34,334 Speaker 1: But what does life look like for a notorious pair 83 00:04:34,574 --> 00:04:45,934 Speaker 1: who are now Netflix famous. The Menendez family, from an 84 00:04:45,934 --> 00:04:50,854 Speaker 1: outsider's perspective, looked like the quintessential embodiment of the American dream. 85 00:04:51,454 --> 00:04:54,854 Speaker 1: Dad Jose was making millions in the entertainment industry as 86 00:04:54,894 --> 00:04:58,774 Speaker 1: an executive at TCA Records in La Mum Kitty was 87 00:04:58,814 --> 00:05:01,934 Speaker 1: involved in charity and volunteer work, and the boys, Lyla 88 00:05:01,934 --> 00:05:04,974 Speaker 1: and Eric were living a comfortable life born into wealth. 89 00:05:06,014 --> 00:05:09,094 Speaker 1: On the inside, however, it was a very different, much 90 00:05:09,174 --> 00:05:14,174 Speaker 1: darker story. Jose Menendez's family had bitter rags to riches 91 00:05:14,254 --> 00:05:17,814 Speaker 1: story multiple times over. With roots in Spain, his family 92 00:05:17,854 --> 00:05:21,574 Speaker 1: worked hard and made something of themselves before Dictator Francisco 93 00:05:21,614 --> 00:05:24,814 Speaker 1: Franco took power and they lost at all. They immigrated 94 00:05:24,854 --> 00:05:27,934 Speaker 1: to Cuba, where they again made something of themselves. Jose 95 00:05:28,054 --> 00:05:31,494 Speaker 1: living a country club lifestyle before dictator for Del Castro 96 00:05:31,574 --> 00:05:34,774 Speaker 1: took power and they again lost it all. A teenage 97 00:05:34,854 --> 00:05:37,894 Speaker 1: Jose then immigrated from Havana to the US to again 98 00:05:37,974 --> 00:05:40,694 Speaker 1: start from scratch, and it was while in college he 99 00:05:40,774 --> 00:05:46,094 Speaker 1: met Mary Louise Anderson, nicknamed Kitty. Kitty reportedly grew up 100 00:05:46,094 --> 00:05:49,214 Speaker 1: in a volatile household with an abusive father. The young 101 00:05:49,254 --> 00:05:52,814 Speaker 1: woman struggled with depression when her parents divorced, but her 102 00:05:52,854 --> 00:05:55,654 Speaker 1: stunning beauty would see her win beauty pageants, and it 103 00:05:55,694 --> 00:05:58,934 Speaker 1: was that face that attracted the attention of Jose Menendez. 104 00:05:59,854 --> 00:06:02,814 Speaker 1: Jose and Kitty got married in nineteen sixty three, had 105 00:06:02,894 --> 00:06:05,654 Speaker 1: Lyle in nineteen sixty eight, and second son, Eric in 106 00:06:05,734 --> 00:06:09,134 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy. There are many reports that Jose was on 107 00:06:09,174 --> 00:06:12,654 Speaker 1: faithful to his wife, further pushing Kitty's mental health issues. 108 00:06:12,934 --> 00:06:16,374 Speaker 1: One of her friends admitted that she'd attempted suicide several times. 109 00:06:17,174 --> 00:06:19,814 Speaker 1: Jose's sisters said their brother had a five year plan 110 00:06:20,014 --> 00:06:22,374 Speaker 1: to retire from the entertainment business and run for the 111 00:06:22,494 --> 00:06:25,414 Speaker 1: US Senate in Florida. He wanted to out the Cuban 112 00:06:25,494 --> 00:06:29,534 Speaker 1: dictator who'd interrupted his comfortable lifestyle in Havana. Lyle and 113 00:06:29,654 --> 00:06:31,574 Speaker 1: Eric seemed to have it all. They lived in a 114 00:06:31,574 --> 00:06:34,694 Speaker 1: mansion in Beverly Hills. Lyle was at college and Eric 115 00:06:34,734 --> 00:06:37,534 Speaker 1: had plans to follow suit. Eric was also a star 116 00:06:37,654 --> 00:06:40,694 Speaker 1: tennis player, something his father was pushing him to potentially 117 00:06:40,734 --> 00:06:43,294 Speaker 1: turn pro in. But everything changed on the night of 118 00:06:43,334 --> 00:06:47,374 Speaker 1: August twenty, nineteen eighty nine, after this call to emergency services. 119 00:06:53,054 --> 00:06:58,214 Speaker 3: What's the problem, So, what's the problem? What's the problem? 120 00:06:59,374 --> 00:07:00,174 Speaker 3: Oh Joe? 121 00:07:01,214 --> 00:07:01,294 Speaker 1: What? 122 00:07:01,734 --> 00:07:11,134 Speaker 3: Who are they still there? The people are no shop right? Shot? 123 00:07:11,974 --> 00:07:19,974 Speaker 3: They were shot whatever. 124 00:07:21,294 --> 00:07:24,214 Speaker 1: Police and ambulance crews raced to the Menendez home to 125 00:07:24,214 --> 00:07:27,694 Speaker 1: find Jose and Kitty dead on the floor. They'd been 126 00:07:27,734 --> 00:07:32,414 Speaker 1: shot collectively fifteen times with a shotgun. Initially, Lyla and 127 00:07:32,494 --> 00:07:35,254 Speaker 1: Eric were not suspects, something many look back on now 128 00:07:35,294 --> 00:07:38,094 Speaker 1: as a sign of their privileged lifestyle in Beverly Hills, 129 00:07:38,374 --> 00:07:40,574 Speaker 1: where police were more likely to treat locals with a 130 00:07:40,654 --> 00:07:43,814 Speaker 1: level of trust not reserved for those in poorer neighborhoods. 131 00:07:44,694 --> 00:07:47,654 Speaker 1: Eric Menendez would reveal in a twenty twenty four documentary 132 00:07:47,694 --> 00:07:51,174 Speaker 1: speaking from prison, that had police spoken to him at 133 00:07:51,214 --> 00:07:54,774 Speaker 1: that moment, he probably would have caved. He said his 134 00:07:54,894 --> 00:07:57,494 Speaker 1: car was in the search area. The shells that collected 135 00:07:57,494 --> 00:07:59,974 Speaker 1: from the floor were in the boot. Had they pressed 136 00:08:00,014 --> 00:08:03,054 Speaker 1: him even a little, he says he would have talked, 137 00:08:03,814 --> 00:08:07,174 Speaker 1: but they didn't. They instead followed up on Jose Menendez's 138 00:08:07,214 --> 00:08:09,774 Speaker 1: business connections and the brother's assertion that it may have 139 00:08:09,854 --> 00:08:12,974 Speaker 1: been a mafia hit. They responded to their parents' debts 140 00:08:13,134 --> 00:08:15,934 Speaker 1: with a beautiful eulogy delivered by Lyle at the funeral, 141 00:08:16,094 --> 00:08:18,654 Speaker 1: who seemed to be trying to step into his father's shoes, 142 00:08:19,134 --> 00:08:22,414 Speaker 1: and a spending spree that saw them by a Porsche 143 00:08:22,614 --> 00:08:26,654 Speaker 1: roll Ex's, a jeep, and even a restaurant. Eric rejected 144 00:08:26,654 --> 00:08:29,374 Speaker 1: his offer to study at UCLA and hired a fifty 145 00:08:29,454 --> 00:08:32,614 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year tennis coach. And there's currently a 146 00:08:32,654 --> 00:08:35,974 Speaker 1: basketball card of a player called Mark Jackson whose photo 147 00:08:36,254 --> 00:08:39,134 Speaker 1: captured a moment in the crowd behind him courtside at 148 00:08:39,174 --> 00:08:42,974 Speaker 1: a Knicks game, the Menendez brothers enjoying the event. This 149 00:08:43,094 --> 00:08:46,334 Speaker 1: shot was taken after the murders and before their arrest. 150 00:08:47,974 --> 00:08:51,614 Speaker 1: The police saw all this spending and stopped. Could this 151 00:08:51,734 --> 00:08:55,134 Speaker 1: be the motive they'd missed? Was this a murder motivated 152 00:08:55,174 --> 00:08:58,654 Speaker 1: by money? They dug into the brother's movements leading up 153 00:08:58,654 --> 00:09:01,174 Speaker 1: to the shooting and found they were the beneficiary not 154 00:09:01,214 --> 00:09:03,614 Speaker 1: only of a life insurance policy worth six hundred and 155 00:09:03,654 --> 00:09:06,774 Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars, but potentially they were in line to 156 00:09:06,814 --> 00:09:10,254 Speaker 1: receive all or part of their father's fourteen million dollar fortune. 157 00:09:10,854 --> 00:09:14,814 Speaker 1: But that wasn't enough to arrest them. Then investigators found 158 00:09:14,814 --> 00:09:19,654 Speaker 1: that shotguns had been bought using Lyle Menendez's roommates stolen ID, 159 00:09:20,214 --> 00:09:23,094 Speaker 1: and in March nineteen ninety, just five months shy of 160 00:09:23,134 --> 00:09:25,734 Speaker 1: a year after the deaths of Jose and Kitty Menendez, 161 00:09:25,934 --> 00:09:30,334 Speaker 1: their sons were arrested. Their trial would be one of 162 00:09:30,334 --> 00:09:33,574 Speaker 1: the first high profile cases to air on Court TV. 163 00:09:34,054 --> 00:09:36,694 Speaker 1: It was like a reality TV show, and both the 164 00:09:36,734 --> 00:09:40,494 Speaker 1: public and the media went wild. There was jostling as 165 00:09:40,494 --> 00:09:42,334 Speaker 1: to who would get the rights to the story to 166 00:09:42,374 --> 00:09:45,414 Speaker 1: make the movie, while cameras were set up outside every 167 00:09:45,494 --> 00:09:49,134 Speaker 1: day to capture those coming and going to court. While 168 00:09:49,134 --> 00:09:51,494 Speaker 1: they were in prison, though, Lyle wrote a note to 169 00:09:51,654 --> 00:09:54,534 Speaker 1: Eric telling him not to speak about their family's past, 170 00:09:54,934 --> 00:09:57,534 Speaker 1: Lyle explaining later that he didn't want to talk about 171 00:09:57,534 --> 00:10:00,134 Speaker 1: what had really happened to them. They wanted to protect 172 00:10:00,174 --> 00:10:03,294 Speaker 1: their family's reputation. But the note was found in a 173 00:10:03,334 --> 00:10:05,854 Speaker 1: search and it opened up a whole new avenue of 174 00:10:05,894 --> 00:10:09,494 Speaker 1: attack for their lawyers. The defense team made it clear 175 00:10:09,894 --> 00:10:12,294 Speaker 1: that they weren't going to deny that Lyle and Eric 176 00:10:12,294 --> 00:10:15,174 Speaker 1: pulled the trigger, but would explain that the boys had 177 00:10:15,174 --> 00:10:17,414 Speaker 1: a very good reason as to why they did. 178 00:10:18,574 --> 00:10:20,614 Speaker 4: The only thing that you are going to have to 179 00:10:20,654 --> 00:10:25,174 Speaker 4: focus on in this trial is why it happened, and 180 00:10:25,254 --> 00:10:28,174 Speaker 4: what we will prove to you is it was done 181 00:10:28,454 --> 00:10:32,654 Speaker 4: out of fear. They were afraid of Jose Menandez and 182 00:10:32,694 --> 00:10:36,654 Speaker 4: they were afraid of Kiddy Menendez. This trial will take 183 00:10:36,694 --> 00:10:41,254 Speaker 4: you behind the facade of the rich houses, the fancy cars, 184 00:10:41,854 --> 00:10:48,094 Speaker 4: the wealthy friends, and impressive social engagements. Jose Menandez was aggressive, 185 00:10:48,494 --> 00:10:53,854 Speaker 4: He was talented. He was a charismatic, powerful man. Lyle's 186 00:10:54,014 --> 00:10:57,574 Speaker 4: violent experiences with his father had been for the most part, 187 00:10:57,574 --> 00:11:00,414 Speaker 4: when he was young. If you didn't swim well enough, 188 00:11:00,574 --> 00:11:03,454 Speaker 4: you were held under water. When Jose took off his belt, 189 00:11:03,854 --> 00:11:07,014 Speaker 4: someone was going to get beaten. You didn't know who, 190 00:11:07,774 --> 00:11:11,774 Speaker 4: and you didn't know why. He reveled in his sadism. 191 00:11:12,374 --> 00:11:15,894 Speaker 4: In nineteen eighty six, Kiddy Menendez discovered that her husband 192 00:11:15,894 --> 00:11:18,734 Speaker 4: had had been having an affair for approximately eight years. 193 00:11:19,334 --> 00:11:23,254 Speaker 4: She was leaving suicide notes for her sons. She was 194 00:11:23,294 --> 00:11:28,494 Speaker 4: threatening to poison the family. A crazy woman got even crazier, 195 00:11:29,094 --> 00:11:32,534 Speaker 4: and they knew that these were parents who could kill 196 00:11:32,614 --> 00:11:33,174 Speaker 4: their children. 197 00:11:33,934 --> 00:11:37,854 Speaker 1: That's still Lensing low Menandez's attorney, delivering her opening statement. 198 00:11:38,294 --> 00:11:41,214 Speaker 1: When lo Menandez finally took to the stand in September 199 00:11:41,294 --> 00:11:44,814 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, it would leave the jurors in tears. 200 00:11:45,414 --> 00:11:48,734 Speaker 4: Was doing what your father wanted of you important? 201 00:11:49,254 --> 00:11:51,094 Speaker 5: That's what made him happy, and that's what I wanted 202 00:11:51,134 --> 00:11:51,294 Speaker 5: to do. 203 00:11:51,854 --> 00:11:53,134 Speaker 4: Why do you want to make him happy? 204 00:11:54,894 --> 00:11:55,654 Speaker 5: Say God love me? 205 00:11:57,334 --> 00:12:01,134 Speaker 4: And between the ages of six and eight, did your 206 00:12:01,174 --> 00:12:03,614 Speaker 4: father have sexual contact with you? 207 00:12:04,654 --> 00:12:04,974 Speaker 6: Yes? 208 00:12:08,894 --> 00:12:14,734 Speaker 5: Yes, hey brad me. 209 00:12:17,574 --> 00:12:19,974 Speaker 1: Did you cry? Yes? 210 00:12:21,014 --> 00:12:21,614 Speaker 5: Did you bleed? 211 00:12:22,494 --> 00:12:22,854 Speaker 6: Yes? 212 00:12:25,254 --> 00:12:26,014 Speaker 5: Were you scared? 213 00:12:27,454 --> 00:12:29,174 Speaker 7: Very? 214 00:12:29,614 --> 00:12:30,774 Speaker 1: Did you tell your mom? 215 00:12:31,134 --> 00:12:32,974 Speaker 5: I told her that he keeps starting me. 216 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:37,054 Speaker 4: What did your mom? 217 00:12:38,254 --> 00:12:42,654 Speaker 8: She told me to stop it and that I was exaggerating. 218 00:12:44,814 --> 00:12:47,614 Speaker 5: And that my dad has to punish me when I 219 00:12:47,654 --> 00:12:51,854 Speaker 5: do things wrong. And she told me that he loved me. 220 00:12:52,694 --> 00:12:55,174 Speaker 1: And when Eric backed up his brother's story with his own, 221 00:12:55,494 --> 00:12:58,254 Speaker 1: he painted a story of two young boys now men, 222 00:12:58,614 --> 00:13:00,294 Speaker 1: traumatized by their father. 223 00:13:01,054 --> 00:13:05,494 Speaker 4: Mister Mernandez during the summer of nineteen eighty nine, Were 224 00:13:05,534 --> 00:13:12,694 Speaker 4: you being sexually molested by your father? Yes, and when 225 00:13:12,774 --> 00:13:13,614 Speaker 4: did that begin? 226 00:13:13,814 --> 00:13:14,734 Speaker 6: How old were you? 227 00:13:16,054 --> 00:13:19,094 Speaker 4: I was six years off and the time you were 228 00:13:19,134 --> 00:13:21,774 Speaker 4: six when you say your father started to molest you? 229 00:13:22,254 --> 00:13:23,574 Speaker 4: How long did that go on? 230 00:13:26,294 --> 00:13:26,934 Speaker 6: Twelve years? 231 00:13:28,374 --> 00:13:32,254 Speaker 1: Character witness after character witness came forward, friends and family 232 00:13:32,254 --> 00:13:36,294 Speaker 1: of the Menendez's, explaining how Jose was domineering, violent, and 233 00:13:36,414 --> 00:13:40,854 Speaker 1: psychologically abusive. The boy's cousin backed up their story, explaining 234 00:13:40,894 --> 00:13:43,014 Speaker 1: how as a child, Lyle had told her of the 235 00:13:43,054 --> 00:13:45,814 Speaker 1: abuse and that she had gone and told Kitty, who 236 00:13:45,894 --> 00:13:48,934 Speaker 1: warned them never to speak of it again. But while 237 00:13:48,974 --> 00:13:51,774 Speaker 1: inside the court the response was one of shock and sadness. 238 00:13:52,174 --> 00:13:56,374 Speaker 1: Outside the public was not taking them seriously. Experts on 239 00:13:56,494 --> 00:13:59,614 Speaker 1: OPRAH and other talk shows explained how unlikely they were 240 00:13:59,614 --> 00:14:02,614 Speaker 1: to be the victims of abuse. Late night show hosts 241 00:14:02,654 --> 00:14:05,214 Speaker 1: made jokes about it. SNL did a skit of the 242 00:14:05,214 --> 00:14:08,254 Speaker 1: brothers in sweaters on a stand, both crying, but the 243 00:14:08,334 --> 00:14:11,414 Speaker 1: jury were told they had offs. Does the abuse amount 244 00:14:11,414 --> 00:14:14,494 Speaker 1: to self defense? Not in the usual way, but it 245 00:14:14,614 --> 00:14:17,734 Speaker 1: still put a manslaughter option on the table, or they 246 00:14:17,774 --> 00:14:20,814 Speaker 1: could go with murder in the first degree. The jurors 247 00:14:20,854 --> 00:14:23,654 Speaker 1: would later explain how all the men were pro murder 248 00:14:23,854 --> 00:14:27,134 Speaker 1: and the women pro manslaughter, a divide that could not 249 00:14:27,254 --> 00:14:27,894 Speaker 1: be overcome. 250 00:14:28,294 --> 00:14:31,854 Speaker 8: We remained deadlocked. Since our last report to you. We 251 00:14:31,934 --> 00:14:35,734 Speaker 8: have been unable to move closer to agreement on any 252 00:14:35,734 --> 00:14:39,054 Speaker 8: of the counts. If anything, we have become more entrenched 253 00:14:39,054 --> 00:14:42,774 Speaker 8: in our positions. And therefore the court finds that the 254 00:14:43,094 --> 00:14:45,094 Speaker 8: jury is hopelessly deadlocked and. 255 00:14:46,534 --> 00:14:47,614 Speaker 6: Declares a mistrial. 256 00:14:49,774 --> 00:14:52,374 Speaker 1: A new trial would begin just days after the oj 257 00:14:52,574 --> 00:14:55,974 Speaker 1: Simpson verdict was handed down in nineteen ninety five, something 258 00:14:56,014 --> 00:14:59,094 Speaker 1: many experts say may have contributed to the attitude of 259 00:14:59,134 --> 00:15:03,174 Speaker 1: the judge. In the leadup. The justice system was embarrassed. 260 00:15:03,214 --> 00:15:06,094 Speaker 1: There were accusations that someone with money could get away 261 00:15:06,094 --> 00:15:10,054 Speaker 1: with something that seemed so obvious. The judge would limit 262 00:15:10,094 --> 00:15:12,614 Speaker 1: the number of experts who were allowed to testify for 263 00:15:12,654 --> 00:15:16,214 Speaker 1: the Menandez brothers, and so none of the corroborating testimony 264 00:15:16,214 --> 00:15:18,934 Speaker 1: from family would be heard. The judge also said that 265 00:15:19,014 --> 00:15:21,774 Speaker 1: Lyle and Eric were not women, so battered women's syndrome 266 00:15:21,854 --> 00:15:25,614 Speaker 1: did not apply. Their attorneys made very public statements about 267 00:15:25,654 --> 00:15:28,694 Speaker 1: this perceived bias, Eric's lawyer even saying he may as 268 00:15:28,734 --> 00:15:30,934 Speaker 1: well point a gun at them and shoot them himself. 269 00:15:31,974 --> 00:15:34,614 Speaker 1: This new jury heard none of the testimony that the 270 00:15:34,654 --> 00:15:37,574 Speaker 1: first chrial did. While Eric took to the stand again, 271 00:15:37,854 --> 00:15:40,294 Speaker 1: Lyle did not, and so the jury were given no 272 00:15:40,374 --> 00:15:43,894 Speaker 1: option for manslaughter. It was simply guilty or not guilty 273 00:15:43,894 --> 00:15:44,414 Speaker 1: of murder. 274 00:15:45,454 --> 00:15:45,734 Speaker 5: Tom. 275 00:15:45,774 --> 00:15:48,574 Speaker 8: We've just heard only seconds ago that the verdict is 276 00:15:48,654 --> 00:15:51,894 Speaker 8: life without parole for both Menendez brothers. 277 00:15:52,334 --> 00:15:55,574 Speaker 1: The brothers sat down with Barbara Walters after that guilty verdict, 278 00:15:55,654 --> 00:15:57,814 Speaker 1: saying they hoped to be sent to the same prison. 279 00:15:58,174 --> 00:16:00,574 Speaker 6: This good probability I will never see him again. 280 00:16:01,294 --> 00:16:04,094 Speaker 1: But after that interview finished, they were placed into separate 281 00:16:04,174 --> 00:16:07,054 Speaker 1: vans and driven away, the last time they would see 282 00:16:07,054 --> 00:16:11,054 Speaker 1: each other face to face. It's now been thirty five 283 00:16:11,134 --> 00:16:13,814 Speaker 1: years and the Menendez brothers are back in the spotlight. 284 00:16:14,214 --> 00:16:18,014 Speaker 1: A Netflix documentary Monsters ed As did a documentary featuring 285 00:16:18,054 --> 00:16:21,614 Speaker 1: the brothers themselves speaking from prison about their story, and 286 00:16:21,654 --> 00:16:24,894 Speaker 1: it shone a light on the disparity between those two trials. 287 00:16:25,174 --> 00:16:28,054 Speaker 1: The lawyers took this opportunity to seek either a retrial 288 00:16:28,094 --> 00:16:31,854 Speaker 1: for the brothers or a resentencing. District Attorney George Gascon 289 00:16:31,974 --> 00:16:35,014 Speaker 1: saying they have an obligation to consider it, recommending they 290 00:16:35,054 --> 00:16:38,014 Speaker 1: be resentenced to fifty years to life, which would make 291 00:16:38,054 --> 00:16:40,054 Speaker 1: them immediately eligible for parole. 292 00:16:41,534 --> 00:16:45,374 Speaker 5: We have a moral and an ethical obligation to review 293 00:16:45,414 --> 00:16:48,294 Speaker 5: what has being presented to us and make a determination 294 00:16:48,414 --> 00:16:51,774 Speaker 5: based on a resentencing side, whether they deserve to be 295 00:16:51,894 --> 00:16:56,094 Speaker 5: resentenced even though they were clearly the murderers because they 296 00:16:56,094 --> 00:16:58,854 Speaker 5: have been in prison for thirty five years and they 297 00:16:58,854 --> 00:17:03,134 Speaker 5: have paid back their dues to society, or whether behaviors 298 00:17:03,214 --> 00:17:07,014 Speaker 5: is appropriate. If there was evidence that was not presented 299 00:17:07,054 --> 00:17:09,454 Speaker 5: to the court at that time, it had that, ever 300 00:17:09,614 --> 00:17:12,854 Speaker 5: that's been presented, perhaps a jury will have come to 301 00:17:12,894 --> 00:17:13,894 Speaker 5: a different conclusion. 302 00:17:15,894 --> 00:17:18,454 Speaker 1: Jemma bath Mumamy is news editor and host of the 303 00:17:18,454 --> 00:17:22,414 Speaker 1: True Crime Conversations podcast. Spoke to Robert rant, a journalist 304 00:17:22,454 --> 00:17:25,014 Speaker 1: who began covering the Menandez brother story for the Miami 305 00:17:25,054 --> 00:17:27,894 Speaker 1: Herald more than thirty years ago. He told her that 306 00:17:27,934 --> 00:17:30,734 Speaker 1: the outcome of that second trial was definitely not a 307 00:17:30,734 --> 00:17:31,374 Speaker 1: fair one. 308 00:17:31,934 --> 00:17:36,054 Speaker 6: The correct verdict in this trial ship in manslaughter, not murdered. 309 00:17:36,534 --> 00:17:39,814 Speaker 6: If the brothers had been conducted at bandslaughter, as half 310 00:17:39,854 --> 00:17:42,774 Speaker 6: the jurors voted for in the first trial, they would 311 00:17:42,814 --> 00:17:46,294 Speaker 6: have been sentenced to twenty two years in prison. They've 312 00:17:46,334 --> 00:17:50,734 Speaker 6: now been incarcerated for almost thirty five years, and the 313 00:17:50,774 --> 00:17:53,814 Speaker 6: fact that they're so locked up. As I often say 314 00:17:54,014 --> 00:17:57,694 Speaker 6: when people interview me, the streets of California are not 315 00:17:57,934 --> 00:18:01,774 Speaker 6: safer tonight because Eric and lylemn Anders are locked up. 316 00:18:02,134 --> 00:18:04,654 Speaker 6: I believe if the brothers get out, they will never 317 00:18:05,134 --> 00:18:09,854 Speaker 6: commit any new crimes, and they've dedicated their lives being 318 00:18:09,894 --> 00:18:14,454 Speaker 6: a service in their inmate community. They're both teaching classes. 319 00:18:14,734 --> 00:18:18,494 Speaker 6: Both brothers are working on what's called the Green Space Project, 320 00:18:19,014 --> 00:18:23,174 Speaker 6: in which a large mural is covering the entire great 321 00:18:23,254 --> 00:18:26,894 Speaker 6: concrete walls of their prisoner There's going to be a 322 00:18:26,894 --> 00:18:31,014 Speaker 6: beautiful new garden planet. The press information officer at the 323 00:18:31,054 --> 00:18:35,254 Speaker 6: prison told me that this project is having a major 324 00:18:35,574 --> 00:18:39,454 Speaker 6: impact in a good way on the prisoners, and it's 325 00:18:39,494 --> 00:18:43,454 Speaker 6: also having a major impact on the prison staff. When 326 00:18:43,494 --> 00:18:46,294 Speaker 6: you walk in and see this mural and this garden, 327 00:18:46,814 --> 00:18:49,774 Speaker 6: you won't believe you're in prison. And they've told me 328 00:18:50,134 --> 00:18:52,934 Speaker 6: that if they get out, they want to come back 329 00:18:53,174 --> 00:18:56,934 Speaker 6: and finish the work they've started on the Green Space Project. 330 00:18:57,414 --> 00:19:01,174 Speaker 6: One other thing that the brothers are doing is they're 331 00:19:01,214 --> 00:19:05,734 Speaker 6: counseling other inmates who are sexual abuse survivors, and the 332 00:19:05,774 --> 00:19:10,094 Speaker 6: California prisons are full of people who've been abused. Lyl 333 00:19:10,134 --> 00:19:15,574 Speaker 6: and Eric have basically become counselors to their inmate community. 334 00:19:15,894 --> 00:19:17,774 Speaker 2: How often do you speak with them and how are 335 00:19:17,774 --> 00:19:20,294 Speaker 2: they faring? Because there's a lot of buzz going on 336 00:19:20,614 --> 00:19:24,334 Speaker 2: right now. There's a Netflix documentary a Netflix I don't 337 00:19:24,334 --> 00:19:27,454 Speaker 2: know what you would call Monsters, but a retelling. 338 00:19:27,494 --> 00:19:30,414 Speaker 6: You would call it what it is, which is a scripted, 339 00:19:30,534 --> 00:19:34,974 Speaker 6: fictionalized series very loosely based on the events there you go. 340 00:19:35,054 --> 00:19:38,174 Speaker 2: But it's trending everywhere and it's I mean, let's talk 341 00:19:38,214 --> 00:19:41,054 Speaker 2: about it. Let's talk about Monsters because it's a very 342 00:19:41,134 --> 00:19:44,254 Speaker 2: unfavorable light on the boys and it's getting a lot 343 00:19:44,254 --> 00:19:46,254 Speaker 2: of publicity. How are they feeling about it? 344 00:19:46,454 --> 00:19:49,614 Speaker 6: They do not have access to the internet in prison, 345 00:19:50,014 --> 00:19:53,854 Speaker 6: so neither of them has actually seen this series. However, 346 00:19:54,254 --> 00:19:57,134 Speaker 6: they speak to their wives daily, and their wives who 347 00:19:57,174 --> 00:20:00,094 Speaker 6: told them everything about the series. You can send them 348 00:20:00,334 --> 00:20:03,734 Speaker 6: articles and there's been quite a bit of press since 349 00:20:03,854 --> 00:20:09,774 Speaker 6: Masters came out last September. Lyelman is extremely upset with 350 00:20:09,814 --> 00:20:13,094 Speaker 6: the way he is portrayed in Monsters. I don't believe 351 00:20:13,494 --> 00:20:18,614 Speaker 6: the portrayal is accurate at all, because I think Monsters 352 00:20:18,694 --> 00:20:22,414 Speaker 6: has an incredible cast. The problem I have with the 353 00:20:22,454 --> 00:20:26,334 Speaker 6: series is the script. They have written a script that 354 00:20:26,774 --> 00:20:30,734 Speaker 6: is just so bizarre. And Ryan Murphy actually had the 355 00:20:30,814 --> 00:20:34,374 Speaker 6: nerve to say that he had based Monsters on the 356 00:20:34,534 --> 00:20:37,774 Speaker 6: reporting of the writer from Manny Fair, who was famous 357 00:20:37,854 --> 00:20:41,574 Speaker 6: in the age and nineties. And Nick suffered a terrible 358 00:20:41,694 --> 00:20:47,414 Speaker 6: personal preshty his daughter was murdered by a boyfriend in 359 00:20:47,454 --> 00:20:51,854 Speaker 6: the early nineteen eighties. Cour TV, besides Trial Live all 360 00:20:51,934 --> 00:20:55,174 Speaker 6: day at night, they had a three hour highlight show 361 00:20:55,494 --> 00:20:59,534 Speaker 6: about the trial called Primetime Justice, and Nick Dunn and 362 00:20:59,614 --> 00:21:03,414 Speaker 6: I were regular guests every Friday on that show and 363 00:21:04,334 --> 00:21:07,334 Speaker 6: we would debate the case and he would be the 364 00:21:07,374 --> 00:21:11,934 Speaker 6: pro prosecution cheerleader that hes was, and each trial covered. 365 00:21:12,254 --> 00:21:14,854 Speaker 2: But I guess by only covering his kind of angle, 366 00:21:15,414 --> 00:21:18,574 Speaker 2: Monsters is only covering half the story, or like the 367 00:21:18,654 --> 00:21:21,054 Speaker 2: more negative side of the story, Robert, where do we 368 00:21:21,134 --> 00:21:24,654 Speaker 2: sit today as we talk? In terms of the brother's 369 00:21:24,694 --> 00:21:28,534 Speaker 2: court proceedings, they put through a petition in twenty twenty three, 370 00:21:29,774 --> 00:21:31,734 Speaker 2: can you take us through where we are? Are they 371 00:21:31,774 --> 00:21:34,294 Speaker 2: hoping to get out? Is that looking like it could 372 00:21:34,334 --> 00:21:35,174 Speaker 2: be a possibility. 373 00:21:35,374 --> 00:21:39,534 Speaker 6: In May of twenty twenty three, our documentary and plus 374 00:21:39,534 --> 00:21:44,174 Speaker 6: Maneux voice portrayed vost release in twenty four hours after 375 00:21:44,734 --> 00:21:48,774 Speaker 6: our documentary Career Hell of attorneys for Lylon their fins 376 00:21:49,014 --> 00:21:54,334 Speaker 6: while the Heavieast petition asking the courts to vacate their 377 00:21:54,414 --> 00:21:58,654 Speaker 6: nineteen ninety sixth connection based on new evidence that we 378 00:21:58,894 --> 00:22:03,614 Speaker 6: revealed in the documentary, and the attorneys are trying for 379 00:22:03,654 --> 00:22:06,694 Speaker 6: what may be their last hope to get them out 380 00:22:07,254 --> 00:22:11,054 Speaker 6: from their life without paral census. And the very latest 381 00:22:11,094 --> 00:22:14,614 Speaker 6: thing to happen this month was that Los Angeles County 382 00:22:14,694 --> 00:22:19,774 Speaker 6: DA George Gascone held a news conference and Gascone said, 383 00:22:19,974 --> 00:22:23,174 Speaker 6: I just want to let everybody know we are carefully 384 00:22:23,414 --> 00:22:28,214 Speaker 6: reviewing the new evidence. And in fact, DA Gascone could 385 00:22:28,214 --> 00:22:31,494 Speaker 6: have had that exact same news conference six months ago 386 00:22:31,574 --> 00:22:34,854 Speaker 6: or a year ago, because he didn't really say anything new. 387 00:22:35,134 --> 00:22:38,094 Speaker 6: He did an interview with CNN and he said that 388 00:22:38,214 --> 00:22:40,654 Speaker 6: he's going to make an announce somebody in this week. 389 00:22:41,214 --> 00:22:44,814 Speaker 6: So the brothers still have another hump they have to 390 00:22:44,854 --> 00:22:49,854 Speaker 6: get over after Gascone makes his recommendation, and that is 391 00:22:50,214 --> 00:22:54,574 Speaker 6: then go in front of a superior courtoge and Judge 392 00:22:54,614 --> 00:22:58,534 Speaker 6: Ryan will make the final decision on whether the agrees 393 00:22:58,654 --> 00:23:02,094 Speaker 6: with Gascon or discrease. There are a number of different 394 00:23:02,094 --> 00:23:05,654 Speaker 6: options that could happen. I am one hundred sure it 395 00:23:05,734 --> 00:23:08,334 Speaker 6: will never be at the fourth and his trial. 396 00:23:08,654 --> 00:23:11,094 Speaker 2: How are the feeling about the fact that all of 397 00:23:11,134 --> 00:23:13,894 Speaker 2: this hype could end up with them being in the 398 00:23:13,894 --> 00:23:16,174 Speaker 2: same position like that is one of the possibilities that 399 00:23:16,214 --> 00:23:17,414 Speaker 2: they could remain in prison. 400 00:23:17,694 --> 00:23:22,094 Speaker 6: The brothers have been in prison, as I said, almost 401 00:23:22,134 --> 00:23:25,214 Speaker 6: thirty five years, so they don't want to get their 402 00:23:25,214 --> 00:23:29,654 Speaker 6: hopes up too high. They have told me they're cautiously optimistic. 403 00:23:30,134 --> 00:23:35,454 Speaker 6: They're hopeful. Really, for the first time in their prison incarceration, 404 00:23:36,294 --> 00:23:39,494 Speaker 6: they actually have hope that something that is about to happen. 405 00:23:39,974 --> 00:23:44,214 Speaker 6: Many sources are telling me that Da George Gascone is 406 00:23:44,254 --> 00:23:48,094 Speaker 6: going to agree to resent the brothers, But as I 407 00:23:48,174 --> 00:23:51,654 Speaker 6: told you, there's still another hump that will come late 408 00:23:51,694 --> 00:23:54,654 Speaker 6: in November, when a Spirit Court judge is going to 409 00:23:54,974 --> 00:24:00,134 Speaker 6: either agree with Gascone's recommendation or he will disagree or 410 00:24:00,374 --> 00:24:02,454 Speaker 6: There are a number of different things that could happen. 411 00:24:02,774 --> 00:24:05,534 Speaker 6: One is that they may be required to go before 412 00:24:05,614 --> 00:24:09,134 Speaker 6: the California par Ward and talk about how they become 413 00:24:09,254 --> 00:24:14,294 Speaker 6: realitated in person. A second possibility is that Spirit Court 414 00:24:14,374 --> 00:24:17,614 Speaker 6: chess Ryan will decide that he watched the whole live 415 00:24:17,694 --> 00:24:22,414 Speaker 6: hearings with the witnesses, and so that could happen, and 416 00:24:22,734 --> 00:24:25,174 Speaker 6: who knows how long that will take to set up 417 00:24:25,214 --> 00:24:29,814 Speaker 6: and execute. And if live hearings are held, Roy Rosello, 418 00:24:30,054 --> 00:24:34,574 Speaker 6: the former member of MNUTO, would be a key defense witness, 419 00:24:34,934 --> 00:24:38,134 Speaker 6: and so it would be like a mini trial where 420 00:24:38,414 --> 00:24:43,294 Speaker 6: various people are witnesses and take stand and they'll give 421 00:24:43,374 --> 00:24:46,574 Speaker 6: direct testimony and the losso be cross examined by the 422 00:24:46,574 --> 00:24:51,654 Speaker 6: prosecutors and da George Gascone said in an article I 423 00:24:51,654 --> 00:24:57,814 Speaker 6: saw yesterday that his office is divided between people that 424 00:24:57,894 --> 00:25:02,254 Speaker 6: were involved in the work on the original trial basically 425 00:25:02,294 --> 00:25:07,614 Speaker 6: feel the defense is fabricated and the brothers were never molested. Still, 426 00:25:08,054 --> 00:25:12,894 Speaker 6: Gascune said that there's another large faction in his office 427 00:25:13,134 --> 00:25:16,294 Speaker 6: of people that believe the brothers were a lesson and 428 00:25:16,534 --> 00:25:20,614 Speaker 6: they think there should be resentenced. It's very hard to sell. 429 00:25:20,974 --> 00:25:25,014 Speaker 6: Although the brothers are hoping that they will be sentenced 430 00:25:25,054 --> 00:25:27,534 Speaker 6: to time served, that'd be one of our president. 431 00:25:28,454 --> 00:25:30,774 Speaker 1: So what now happens to the Menendez brothers If they 432 00:25:30,814 --> 00:25:34,294 Speaker 1: walk free, there's no guarantee that they will. A judge 433 00:25:34,294 --> 00:25:37,454 Speaker 1: will have the final saying they're resentencing. But if they did, 434 00:25:37,854 --> 00:25:41,134 Speaker 1: what happens to them. As Robert mentioned, both Lyle and 435 00:25:41,294 --> 00:25:44,774 Speaker 1: Eric are now married. Lyle married Anna Erikson, a model, 436 00:25:44,814 --> 00:25:47,214 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six, but they got divorced in two 437 00:25:47,254 --> 00:25:49,814 Speaker 1: thousand and one, but he then married his current wife, 438 00:25:49,854 --> 00:25:53,454 Speaker 1: magazine journalist Rebecca Snead, in two thousand and three. They 439 00:25:53,454 --> 00:25:55,374 Speaker 1: got to know each other over a ten year period 440 00:25:55,374 --> 00:25:58,894 Speaker 1: before tying the knot exchanging letters, and she has since 441 00:25:58,934 --> 00:26:02,254 Speaker 1: become an attorney who visits her husband every week. They 442 00:26:02,254 --> 00:26:06,054 Speaker 1: also speak on the phone daily. Eric married Tammy Sackerman 443 00:26:06,094 --> 00:26:08,574 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine, telling people in two thousand and 444 00:26:08,614 --> 00:26:11,374 Speaker 1: five that her love has propelled him to become a 445 00:26:11,414 --> 00:26:14,214 Speaker 1: better person. He said he wants to be the greatest 446 00:26:14,254 --> 00:26:17,734 Speaker 1: possible husband to her, which affects his every decision every 447 00:26:17,814 --> 00:26:21,174 Speaker 1: day while he's imprisoned. They also began their relationship by 448 00:26:21,214 --> 00:26:24,414 Speaker 1: exchanging letters. Her then husband knew that she was communicating 449 00:26:24,414 --> 00:26:26,974 Speaker 1: with Eric and was okay with it, but after Tammy 450 00:26:26,974 --> 00:26:30,134 Speaker 1: discovered her husband was sexually assaulting her teenage daughter, he 451 00:26:30,174 --> 00:26:33,334 Speaker 1: turned himself into police and died by suicide days later. 452 00:26:34,174 --> 00:26:36,894 Speaker 1: Tammy met with Eric four years after they started to 453 00:26:36,974 --> 00:26:40,134 Speaker 1: chat via mail. Eric proposed in nineteen ninety eight, and 454 00:26:40,134 --> 00:26:43,054 Speaker 1: they later married at Folsom Prison, a Twinkie serving as 455 00:26:43,094 --> 00:26:47,094 Speaker 1: their wedding cake. He would also adopt Tammy's younger daughter, Talia. 456 00:26:47,774 --> 00:26:51,254 Speaker 1: Eric says Tammy is his life saver, allowing him to 457 00:26:51,374 --> 00:26:55,094 Speaker 1: choose life. Neither Eric or Lyle have consummated their marriages, 458 00:26:55,134 --> 00:26:57,654 Speaker 1: as they aren't entitled to conjugal visits, but they do 459 00:26:57,734 --> 00:27:00,254 Speaker 1: have families to go home to. But there are many 460 00:27:00,294 --> 00:27:03,134 Speaker 1: out there who are more concerned about what the brothers 461 00:27:03,134 --> 00:27:06,214 Speaker 1: will do with their newly re emerged level of fame. 462 00:27:06,254 --> 00:27:08,054 Speaker 7: If and when they are released, because I think it's 463 00:27:08,094 --> 00:27:10,734 Speaker 7: probably a when than an f that the DA is talking. 464 00:27:11,134 --> 00:27:13,134 Speaker 7: I think they'll probably try to make money off it 465 00:27:13,174 --> 00:27:15,774 Speaker 7: through book deals and movie deals, and that's something as 466 00:27:15,774 --> 00:27:19,414 Speaker 7: a DA perhaps they can try to limit, maybe make 467 00:27:19,454 --> 00:27:22,534 Speaker 7: it part of the agreement after the fact, but I 468 00:27:22,574 --> 00:27:25,014 Speaker 7: don't know. It looks like they're headed for Hollywood and 469 00:27:25,654 --> 00:27:27,014 Speaker 7: fame and stardom in money. 470 00:27:28,014 --> 00:27:30,854 Speaker 1: That's Dave Ahrenberg, the state Attorney for Palm Beach County 471 00:27:30,854 --> 00:27:34,454 Speaker 1: in Florida, speaking to Court TV. Yes, the very same 472 00:27:34,494 --> 00:27:37,214 Speaker 1: show that captured the trial of those young men back 473 00:27:37,254 --> 00:27:39,894 Speaker 1: in the day. We're expecting a decision on the Menandez 474 00:27:39,894 --> 00:27:42,814 Speaker 1: brother's fate any day now. We'll keep you updated when 475 00:27:42,814 --> 00:27:46,014 Speaker 1: we find out what that judge decides. Thanks for taking 476 00:27:46,014 --> 00:27:47,734 Speaker 1: the time to feed your mind with us today. The 477 00:27:47,814 --> 00:27:50,654 Speaker 1: quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy and our executive 478 00:27:50,654 --> 00:27:53,774 Speaker 1: producer Taylor Strano, with audio production by Lou Hill.