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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia out loud. It's what women are actually talking
Speaker 2: about on Wednesday, the twenty fifth of September, I'm Holly
Speaker 2: Wayne Wright, I'm MEA Friedman, and.
Speaker 3: I'm Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 2: And on the show today, a very famous man is
Speaker 2: in jail and celebrities are deleting their socials. Unpacking the
Speaker 2: p Diddy allegations and their impact. Also a presidential candidate
Speaker 2: nude photos, and a conversation about digital cheating. Welcome to
Speaker 2: me as current obsession and you probably have well being
Speaker 2: burned out and please pass the coffee, but first, Mia Friedman.
Speaker 4: In case you missed it, a poor poor man has
Speaker 4: gone viral after he simply sent a text message to
Speaker 4: his fiancee. Twenty two year old Avery Beverly from Florida
Speaker 4: shared a text message from her fiance aiden with the
Speaker 4: Internet and it's gotten over nine hundred thousand views and
Speaker 4: many many comments. The text message said, what time is
Speaker 4: our wedding?
Speaker 2: I loved the story.
Speaker 4: I read it and went, oh what did he send goodness?
Speaker 4: And then I'm like, okay, what's the rest of it
Speaker 4: that he said?
Speaker 1: That was it?
Speaker 4: He just said what time is our wedding? And people
Speaker 4: lost it. They said, my husband also asked this. My
Speaker 4: husband asked this every single day of the week of
Speaker 4: our wedding. Mine asked me to send the location the
Speaker 4: day of.
Speaker 1: And they're just on and on.
Speaker 4: With these people, aghast that a man could ask what
Speaker 4: time his wedding was. This was also two months before
Speaker 4: his wedding. Now, if you'd have asked that even on
Speaker 4: the day, even after the wedding had started, I would
Speaker 4: not blame him. Why not?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 2: Because the reason all these women are mad like decoding
Speaker 2: is because all the mental load of the wedding is
Speaker 2: on me and you're just turning up and you can't
Speaker 2: even be bothered to know what time it is.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's because men just aren't that interested.
Speaker 4: And look, I empathize with men about weddings because I
Speaker 4: am not that bride, I was not that bride.
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in it's what time it starts. You're
Speaker 2: gonna asking him like, could you tell me exactly what
Speaker 2: shade you're time? Like, what time it starts.
Speaker 1: I think that's a very sensible question. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be late.
Speaker 3: Leave the guy alone, Jesse, Oh no, no, no.
Speaker 5: The reason why the first is the mental load that
Speaker 5: she's doing everything. And again it's not even in your
Speaker 5: bloody diary to go. It's an event that I have
Speaker 5: to attend and be on time for. I think the
Speaker 5: other point of irritation is that as a bride, you
Speaker 5: have to know what time it starts, because women have
Speaker 5: to do the most complicated equation, that complicated math. No,
Speaker 5: it's not because no, no, no, because you know that it's
Speaker 5: going to start at three, and so you go, all right,
Speaker 5: then I've got to start my makeup at three thirty
Speaker 5: am so that the hair can get here at five.
Speaker 5: And did a day do it? And a matter off
Speaker 5: playing golf. Even if you do it yourself, your actual
Speaker 5: wedding day for a woman is so stressful and packed,
Speaker 5: whereas men are, like, if it starts at three, I
Speaker 5: reckon I should put my suit on two point fifty.
Speaker 4: On your wedding day, all the guys were at my
Speaker 4: house and it was so much more fun than it
Speaker 4: was where you were across the road.
Speaker 1: And also you had your.
Speaker 4: Best lady with gastro so it was quite the drama
Speaker 4: and ivy fluids over at yours. But look, it is
Speaker 4: beauty standards and all of those kinds of things. But
Speaker 4: I just I'm going to side with Holly on this
Speaker 4: one and say the whole wedding industrial complex it's just
Speaker 4: a bit silly. And I know that outladders get annoyed
Speaker 4: with us when we say this, because Holly and I
Speaker 4: are very pooper about weddings and if you love that stuff,
Speaker 4: go for it, lean into it, you know, start preparing
Speaker 4: six months out, two years out, knock yourself out. But
Speaker 4: then don't be all like this is.
Speaker 1: So hard, my life is so hard.
Speaker 5: He does nothing, but I thought, not just brides deciding
Speaker 5: to have big weddings.
Speaker 2: To be clear, I'm with you on everything you said
Speaker 2: right up until that point. I think it's entirely reasonable
Speaker 2: to expect that if you are planning a wedding with
Speaker 2: somebody who's supposed to want to marry you, that they
Speaker 2: pay some attention to the details, like what time it's start.
Speaker 4: But it's about the marriage hole, not the wedding, of
Speaker 4: course it is. I think you've still got the day.
Speaker 2: Oh my superficial, But it's not superficial to know what
Speaker 2: time to.
Speaker 4: Turn I don't know what time to turn up at anything.
Speaker 4: But also when you're a main character in an event,
Speaker 4: you often don't get an invitation.
Speaker 1: This is a little loophole.
Speaker 4: Like I found at your one of your events, your wedding,
Speaker 4: your engagement party, I didn't get an invitation.
Speaker 3: So I think you sent the invitations.
Speaker 4: Saying I don't know what time it is. I didn't
Speaker 4: get an invitation. I think it was your wedding that
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 5: I actually just didn't want to invite you.
Speaker 2: So she was like, I suppose she's going to come.
Speaker 5: Last week, Sean Combs, also known as Diddy or p Diddy,
Speaker 5: one of the wealthiest musical artists of all time, was arrested.
Speaker 5: He has been charged with sex trafficking and racketeering, so
Speaker 5: running a criminal and prize centering on abusing women by
Speaker 5: using bribery, arson, kidnapping, and threats of violence to intimidate
Speaker 5: and silence victims. In the days since other women have
Speaker 5: come forward with allegations of rape, he has pleaded not guilty.
Speaker 5: Now you might remember earlier this year we talked about
Speaker 5: the Cassie Ventura allegations, which Coombs originally denied until a
Speaker 5: video surfaced of the rapper physically assaulting his former girlfriend
Speaker 5: at a hotel in la It's hard to even imagine this,
Speaker 5: but only a year ago, Coombs was seen as an
Speaker 5: industry visionary. He was afforded an enormous amount of respect,
Speaker 5: and we, it seems, are only beginning to scratch the
Speaker 5: surface of some of his alleged crimes. The allegations that
Speaker 5: have emerged in the last week are so damning, and
Speaker 5: they potentially implicate dozens of celebrities, and this has The
Speaker 5: New York Times asking is the music world's me too movement? Finally,
Speaker 5: here in the legal papers submitted as part of the lawsuit,
Speaker 5: there are references says to freak off parties that's a quote,
Speaker 5: which were elaborate and produced sex performances that Combs arranged
Speaker 5: and electronically recorded. The papers allege these free coughs lasted
Speaker 5: days at a time, they involved a variety of illicit substances,
Speaker 5: and the sensitive recordings were used as collateral against the victims.
Speaker 5: A Department of Homeland Security agent says they have evidence
Speaker 5: that the women did not feel free to go and
Speaker 5: video evidence shows that some are I quote, clearly out
Speaker 5: of it while the men are having sex with them.
Speaker 4: And he's alleged to have flown in male porn stars
Speaker 4: to participate in those free coughs, and the women who
Speaker 4: I believe included Cassie Ventura. I mean, what I can't
Speaker 4: understand is how after that video was released he was
Speaker 4: not charged and found guilty and jailed, which he also
Speaker 4: admitted that he'd done it. Remember he had that video
Speaker 4: where he said, I'm ashamed. That's not who I am,
Speaker 4: except it is who you are, buddy. That's you beating
Speaker 4: a woman who you purport to love in publics, so
Speaker 4: God knows what you did in private. But when his
Speaker 4: lawyer came out and said, you know, did he as
Speaker 4: a visionary? He's many things, he's not perfect, but he's
Speaker 4: not a criminal.
Speaker 3: It's like, but you are, We saw that we are.
Speaker 2: The evidence.
Speaker 5: Court documents claim that Coombs has recordings of several celebrities, artists,
Speaker 5: music label executives, and athletes engaging in a legal activity.
Speaker 5: These individuals were recorded without their knowledge and consent. This
Speaker 5: has led to images of Kumbs's parties being splashed over
Speaker 5: every news site, with just about every celebrity you can think.
Speaker 4: So not sex parties that he used to have these
Speaker 4: annual white probably.
Speaker 2: I think one of the things that's important to understand
Speaker 2: is that I don't think that everyone whoever went to
Speaker 2: the white parties in the Hamptons was necessarily obviously aware
Speaker 2: or partaking in these parties. I think there are like
Speaker 2: levels of debauchery in this situation.
Speaker 5: And levels of knowledge, because what's being uncovered now is
Speaker 5: how much of kind of how Wild Coombs's parties were
Speaker 5: was an open secret in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: People just knew it.
Speaker 5: It's been referred to in popular culture for more than
Speaker 5: twenty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what does wild mean exactly?
Speaker 5: Yeah, which brings us to a clip from Keeping Up
Speaker 5: with the Kardashians from twenty fourteen where Chloe said.
Speaker 2: This, so, who was with you this weekend? A bunch
Speaker 2: of my friends, Didy, Quincy, justin Bieber.
Speaker 1: So far as Montana.
Speaker 2: You know half the people you're naming?
Speaker 3: No, she didn't go to bed.
Speaker 2: I opened a bed yet you haven't.
Speaker 3: I want to be Chloe.
Speaker 1: When I grew up Court, I got on a.
Speaker 2: Plane at five thirty am.
Speaker 4: Well, this party, I think half the people there were
Speaker 4: butt naked, you would have loved it.
Speaker 5: Justin Bieber, who was twenty at the time of Chloe's comments,
Speaker 5: is now central to the coverage of this case, with
Speaker 5: many publications reappraising his relationship with Coombs, who is also
Speaker 5: a very powerful record exact was he discovered by He
Speaker 5: was discovered by Usher, who was very close to Sean kuhmbs.
Speaker 5: But there's reports that suggest that Coombs could be worth.
Speaker 3: One billion dollars.
Speaker 5: Like the network that holds up this man and the
Speaker 5: industry that relies on him is so big.
Speaker 2: But it's also important to note that Diddy is a
Speaker 2: mogul of the sort that it's not all about music,
Speaker 2: so it's clothes like he has a ven diagram the
Speaker 2: intersex between. He was one of the era of rap
Speaker 2: artists who came up in a very tumultuous time, right,
Speaker 2: we'd probably all remember him being arrested with Jennifer Lopez
Speaker 2: back in the day at a shooting and all those things,
Speaker 2: and then sort of transformed into a billionaire mogul, and
Speaker 2: that involved his Sean John clothing label. He also became
Speaker 2: a TV producer, So the reason that his parties could
Speaker 2: attract everybody was his spheres of influence were very intersected.
Speaker 2: There's music, there's fashion, there's TV and movies, so it's
Speaker 2: all of it together, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And in light of the new allegations, watching his relationship
Speaker 5: with a very very young Justin Bieber is making people uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: So there's a two thousand and nine YouTube video that
Speaker 5: is resurfaced with this exchange where we.
Speaker 6: Hanging out and what we're doing, we can't really disclose.
Speaker 6: It's definitely a fifteen year old's dream for the next
Speaker 6: forty eight hours.
Speaker 7: He's with me, so.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and we're gonna go full but full crazy. What
Speaker 6: you want to do? What you want to do for
Speaker 6: the next.
Speaker 7: Forty eight hours, forty eight hours, Let's go out? Are
Speaker 7: we gonna?
Speaker 2: Let's just go get some girls.
Speaker 1: Let's going on.
Speaker 7: Some girls.
Speaker 6: May for my heart, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: The question that emerges have the actions of Coombs just
Speaker 5: been an open secret in Hollywood? Fans are reconsidering Biber's
Speaker 5: songs including Lonely.
Speaker 4: Everybody Saw Me Sick and a Fairly No one gave
Speaker 4: a shit The criticize the things I did as an idiot.
Speaker 1: What if you had it?
Speaker 3: That song is called Lonely. It came out in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one. He would have been about twenty six twenty seven,
Speaker 3: and that's.
Speaker 4: About ten years after that video with him and did he?
Speaker 5: Then there are these lyrics from a song called Fuel
Speaker 5: by Eminem.
Speaker 1: I'm like so many essays. He didn't just fail the
Speaker 1: word rapper, really owed it?
Speaker 2: Did he?
Speaker 5: If you listen to the play on words there, it's
Speaker 5: removing the letter P which makes it raper. And then
Speaker 5: he says, did you remove the P?
Speaker 3: Did he?
Speaker 2: And so he says so many essays essays which is
Speaker 2: sexual assault?
Speaker 5: Oh wow, So it's being decoded, and then kesher. One
Speaker 5: of her first songs was called TikTok. This is how
Speaker 5: it started. Wake up in the morning feeling like piz glasses.
Speaker 5: And last week she was lip syncing on TikTok the
Speaker 5: app which is confusing, and she maled the lyrics to
Speaker 5: the new version which has been released yet, but you
Speaker 5: can hear how she has changed the lyrics wake up
Speaker 5: in the morning like some pins in and grabma glasses.
Speaker 4: So the two things that spring to mind for me,
Speaker 4: the comparisons are Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein. Yes, and
Speaker 4: both of those were seen to be open secrets in Hollywood,
Speaker 4: well not as open as this, because at least they
Speaker 4: sort of semi went on behind closed doors. But Harvey
Speaker 4: Weinstein acted like alone in rooms with women, whereas Jeffrey
Speaker 4: Epstein seemed to be more the p ditty model and
Speaker 4: not co opted but invited other men in to either
Speaker 4: witness or participate in these heinous situations, which and then
Speaker 4: requitted it. Yes, so that didn't end very well for him.
Speaker 1: Did it so end?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: And the difference This New York Times article that I
Speaker 5: read talked about the difference between the music industry and
Speaker 5: Harvey Weinstein, because why is it that, you know, Hollywood
Speaker 5: had this reckoning and we seem to pay attention to it.
Speaker 5: I mean, it feels like it's been wound back now
Speaker 5: with what's happening with Harvey Weinstein in court. But the
Speaker 5: big difference with the entertainment MeToo movement was that it
Speaker 5: only got traction when Harvey Weinstein's victims were famous, So
Speaker 5: you needed it to be famous actresses or famous TV personality,
Speaker 5: people with power, people with power, but with a lot
Speaker 5: of the people who have come out against people in
Speaker 5: the music industry, and this has been happening for a
Speaker 5: really long time. They're not famous enough, and so it
Speaker 5: doesn't get the traction it requires.
Speaker 4: Because it also wasn't just the fame, it was the volume.
Speaker 4: So it was there were a number of women who
Speaker 4: had to come and then the next wave came in.
Speaker 3: Then it was Gwynne and that's what Cassie did.
Speaker 5: Cassie Ventura, what she has done, that was a watershed
Speaker 5: moment because she's encouraged other women to come forward.
Speaker 2: But also the thing is that's tricky about this is
Speaker 2: that rock and roll, in like broad terms, has always
Speaker 2: been and is meant to be wild, right, wild is
Speaker 2: like it's such an euphemism now up from the sixties
Speaker 2: and from way before that. You know, that is kind
Speaker 2: of the idea. So the motivation for a lot of
Speaker 2: people to get into it, the idea of like the girls,
Speaker 2: the party, ex drugs, drugs, sex, drugs and rock and
Speaker 2: roll is literally in the brochure, right. So what's interesting
Speaker 2: about this is it isn't a secret that powerful people
Speaker 2: have long made people sign NDA's before they go into parties,
Speaker 2: taken their phones off them, made them promise not to
Speaker 2: say what happens in there, and the idea that it
Speaker 2: was seductive and exciting to get into that inner circle
Speaker 2: and go to a wild party if you're Choe Kardashian
Speaker 2: or whatever where people are naked, is probably very exciting, right.
Speaker 2: I have a problem with the idea that everyone whoever
Speaker 2: was invited to a P. Diddy party, which now their
Speaker 2: pictures are all plastered all over every tabloid site, knew
Speaker 2: of the level of abuse that was happening. I am
Speaker 2: almost certain, knowing the way that predators work, that that
Speaker 2: was kept to a relatively tight and very lock down
Speaker 2: group of people.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: People who are talking about him and having the evidence
Speaker 2: are his security. They're people like his videographer who were
Speaker 2: complicit and being paid to be complicit in filming these events.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably a naive assumption to think that
Speaker 2: every did He party was that, do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: I agree so.
Speaker 2: That you know everyone who's been photographed in a white
Speaker 2: dress at one of those parties, because one of the
Speaker 2: things that did he was very very good at in
Speaker 2: his ascendants was buying credibility and social status. So he
Speaker 2: went from very deliberately and this was part of his
Speaker 2: assent from being I'm a gangster. I beat people up
Speaker 2: with champagne bottles, which he also was convicted of doing.
Speaker 2: He's involved in shootings too. I'm playing golf with the Clintons,
Speaker 2: I'm mates with Martha Stewart. I'm in the Hamptons now,
Speaker 2: like the Hamptons is the white playground of the rich
Speaker 2: and powerful. So he was very clever at changing his story.
Speaker 4: Well, he hid in plain sight. And I mean, if
Speaker 4: you look at any marketing funnel, at the top of
Speaker 4: the funnel, you've got to have stuff that's so attractive
Speaker 4: that people you know will want to be around you,
Speaker 4: and so you've got the status of And for Harvey Weinstein,
Speaker 4: it was Gwyneth Paltrow, and so he used his proximity
Speaker 4: to Gwyneth Paltrow and that she was in his movies
Speaker 4: and even Rene's Elwigo, and he told other actresses, oh,
Speaker 4: they also slept with me, and so if you sleep
Speaker 4: with me, you too can be like that. And so
Speaker 4: for Diddy, it was like lots of people wanted to
Speaker 4: be in his orbit bees to Honey because it was
Speaker 4: the white party.
Speaker 1: And you're right, it was like.
Speaker 4: Leonardo and you could go to the party and it
Speaker 4: was like it seemed like he was the powerbroker in
Speaker 4: Hollywood and in the music industry. And then you're right,
Speaker 4: there was this darker underbelly that was more the inner sanctum,
Speaker 4: but so many people knew.
Speaker 2: The thing is about it that's depressing, and you've already
Speaker 2: touched on this Jesse, is that it just seems over
Speaker 2: and over that these stories are very powerful man can
Speaker 2: treat women in particular, although in this instance not only women.
Speaker 2: It seems from the stories with such horrific disregard and
Speaker 2: nobody gives a shit and for ages, they can dismiss
Speaker 2: it as gold digging. She's a drug addict, That's what
Speaker 2: he would say about Cassie, for you know, she's a
Speaker 2: drug addict. She is, of course she's going to say
Speaker 2: that they're all trying to bring me down. Everybody's just
Speaker 2: trying to tear me down. And because they're holding the power,
Speaker 2: they can get away with anything.
Speaker 4: This week also Muhammad al Fayed, who is the late
Speaker 4: father of Dodie al Fayed, who was Princess Diana's boyfriend
Speaker 4: and they were killed in nineteen ninety seven. He used
Speaker 4: to own harods and of course he was made famous
Speaker 4: once again through the crown recently, and only in the
Speaker 4: last week women have come forward. I think it's up
Speaker 4: to one hundred now who've come forward in a class
Speaker 4: action and said he also committed over many decades. He
Speaker 4: was notorious for committing rape sexual assaults on all of
Speaker 4: these women, and some of them have even contacted Mama
Speaker 4: Meir and said, yes, it was widely known. I worked
Speaker 4: at Harod's. It happened to me. And what's interesting to
Speaker 4: me is that he only died I think last year,
Speaker 4: and he was ninety four. And yet even through all
Speaker 4: of them, me too, through all of this stuff with
Speaker 4: Weinstein and then Epstein and all of these things that
Speaker 4: have happened, and you thought, this is the reckoning, right
Speaker 4: and all of these men, women were so scared because
Speaker 4: of the threats that were made against them. And again
Speaker 4: these women also had no power. They weren't famous women,
Speaker 4: which is no doubt why he prayed on them. It
Speaker 4: wasn't until he was dead that they felt safe enough
Speaker 4: to come out and speak.
Speaker 3: And often that there are others that there are one hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people don't believe women. This is why. And I
Speaker 2: know that we can get a bit IROLLI some people
Speaker 2: can get a bit IROLLI about the believe women are there,
Speaker 2: but women are never believed. If there is a power
Speaker 2: and balance in this kind of situation, there never believe.
Speaker 2: They're dismissed, they're paid off, they are threatened, they're shut down.
Speaker 2: Like Cassie's story, we've talked about it on the show before,
Speaker 2: is terrifying about what happened to her. Well, even once
Speaker 2: she escaped did his circle she was, Oh, I'm going
Speaker 2: to interrupt you and say, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think it's just not women are believed. I think
Speaker 1: this is about a power and balance, and.
Speaker 4: I think these men choose victims that do not have power,
Speaker 4: but power. I think it's and so I don't think
Speaker 4: these women even get to the point where they can.
Speaker 2: You know, they're telling people. That's why it's an open secret.
Speaker 2: They're telling people. But I think this is what happened
Speaker 2: to me and those and they are being silenced.
Speaker 3: But the open secret.
Speaker 5: I do think that we will find out that celebrities
Speaker 5: at high profile people knew and fifty cent has a
Speaker 5: quote where he says some of them were involved talking
Speaker 5: about other celebrities at the parties and enjoyed themselves, so
Speaker 5: they don't know what the fuck is on tape or
Speaker 5: what's not on tape? So in terms of they're being blackmail,
Speaker 5: what I think is very loud at the moment is
Speaker 5: the silence from a lot of celebrities, Right.
Speaker 1: But what do you think they should say?
Speaker 5: There's two things at play, right. One is celebrities coming
Speaker 5: out and saying, I'm horrified by these allegations. We're not
Speaker 5: hearing that. The other is jay Z is one of
Speaker 5: his best friends.
Speaker 3: Right. There's also no one putting their hand up defending him.
Speaker 3: No one is defending him.
Speaker 5: So I know that it's a hard position to find
Speaker 5: yourself in, but I do think that there's probably stuff
Speaker 5: on tape, whether it's drug taking. I'm not saying that
Speaker 5: it's the worst of the worst, but that has made
Speaker 5: it impossible for other celebrities to say anything.
Speaker 4: And that's very deliberate, which is exactly what Epstein did
Speaker 4: and why they were all these rumors that it wasn't
Speaker 4: death by suicide and jail because he had all of
Speaker 4: this on all of these famous men and he used
Speaker 4: that to protect himself.
Speaker 5: So there's a lot of conspiracy theories. I mean, a
Speaker 5: number of celebrities have had like their Twitter for some
Speaker 5: reason that's been wiped in the last week, so Usher's
Speaker 5: Twitter history has gone. He said that he was packed
Speaker 5: and that's why it disappeared, and then Pinks and then
Speaker 5: Megan Fox. There's a lot of different stories about why
Speaker 5: it's happened.
Speaker 4: Do you think that's because maybe they didn't know? And
Speaker 4: there are pictures of their more complimentary things that they've
Speaker 4: said about Diddy, or selfies that have been taken, or
Speaker 4: parties that they've been to. Every publicist in Hollywood is
Speaker 4: trying to move their client retrospectively away as far as possible.
Speaker 5: Even just before we came into this record, I found
Speaker 5: a clip on Conan in the early two thousands and
Speaker 5: it's Koomb sitting there talking about his parties, talking about
Speaker 5: how to have a great party, you need lots and
Speaker 5: lots of alcohol. You have to make it hot in
Speaker 5: the room because that changes the effect of the alcohol,
Speaker 5: and you have to lock the doors because otherwise the
Speaker 5: women will leave.
Speaker 3: That was on Conan O'Brien.
Speaker 2: And that's the culture that people were like, Well, that's
Speaker 2: what wild is. That's what a wild party is.
Speaker 5: And what I think is probably just worth acknowledging is
Speaker 5: the proximity that people like this have to children. And
Speaker 5: I know that we've seen this with recently. We talked
Speaker 5: about Nickelodeon, the producers there the preyed on children. But
Speaker 5: I just look at Justin Bieber, and I look at
Speaker 5: all the issues with a lot of people who came up,
Speaker 5: but someone having parties like that, having legal guardianship of
Speaker 5: Justin Bieber for forty eight hours, which is some legal
Speaker 5: loophole I don't fully understand. But he had Justin Bieber
Speaker 5: like privately in his home for an extended period of time.
Speaker 2: The child, and then we wonder why he appears to
Speaker 2: be so damaged.
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, mother me Hello.
Speaker 4: One of the biggest stories in the media this week
Speaker 4: is like a Venn diagram of some of my key
Speaker 4: areas of interest media, gossip, us, politics, the.
Speaker 1: Kennedy family, and Hollywood. Let me begin.
Speaker 4: A high profile journalist for New York magazine called Olivia Nuzzy,
Speaker 4: who's thirty one, has been suspended from her job this
Speaker 4: week after her boss discovered she'd been having an inappropriate
Speaker 4: romantic relationship with seventy year old Robert Kennedy Junior, who,
Speaker 4: until a couple of months ago, you may remember was
Speaker 4: running for president, but he's now backing Donald Trump. He's
Speaker 4: quite the character. He's an anti vax crusader. He has
Speaker 4: had some very strange incidents come to the fall, recently
Speaker 4: about burying a baby bear cub carcass in Central Park,
Speaker 4: also cutting off the head of a dead whale and
Speaker 4: carrying it home on the top of his.
Speaker 2: Car, and having a worm in his brain.
Speaker 4: And having a brainworm that he says ate his brain,
Speaker 4: which might explain a lot. He is also described as
Speaker 4: a professional philanderer according to Friends Good Friends, and he's
Speaker 4: had three wives, the current one being actress and comedian
Speaker 4: Cheryl Hines, who you may know Curb your enthusias your enthusiasm.
Speaker 4: He also has six kids by his three wives, one
Speaker 4: of whom is Kit Kennedy, who was rumored to be
Speaker 4: dating Ben Affleck after he split from.
Speaker 1: J Low a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 5: So this Kennedy that we're talking about, Yes, every time
Speaker 5: we talk about him, I need a reminder of how
Speaker 5: he is related to JFK.
Speaker 4: His nephew, got it. So this Kennedy, Robert Kennedy Junior,
Speaker 4: his dad. It's confusing that they've all got the same names.
Speaker 4: It's a very waspy, rich people thing where you name
Speaker 4: are your children the same thing. So his father was
Speaker 4: also Robert Kennedy, and he was assassinated a little while
Speaker 4: after JFK with JFK's brother and he was assassinated. So
Speaker 4: he basically was about eight or ten when his uncle
Speaker 4: and then his father were assassinated. And he has become
Speaker 4: a proponent of all the conspiracy theories that it was
Speaker 4: an inside job and that it was the CIA, and
Speaker 4: he's sort of been disowned. He's got ten siblings and
Speaker 4: he's been disowned by a lot of them. They put
Speaker 4: out a statement basically saying we don't support him when
Speaker 4: he's not our guy. Does everyone need a moment to
Speaker 4: take all that in? What we are going to discuss
Speaker 4: today is the sexting, because because.
Speaker 5: I was going to say those niche interesst areas not
Speaker 5: my niche interrest areas. This story, love it, love it.
Speaker 5: I have been going deep. I can confirm it is interesting.
Speaker 5: It is interesting.
Speaker 4: Because essentially what happened is that Nazzi, who's she's made
Speaker 4: a big name for herself as New York Magazine's Washington reporter.
Speaker 4: She's got a reputation for these deep insider profiles that
Speaker 4: she does. She gets great acts to some really prominent
Speaker 4: figures in American politics. I love her writing. I really
Speaker 4: like her profiles.
Speaker 1: Just this month, she did a big.
Speaker 4: Profile of Trump after the first assassination attempt, and she
Speaker 4: took a close look at his ear and wrote an
Speaker 4: early interesting cover story about that. But last November, again,
Speaker 4: as part of her job, she interviewed Kennedy and she
Speaker 4: flew to his compound wherever, and even though it wasn't
Speaker 4: a very flattering profile that she wrote, she wrote about
Speaker 4: how he took her in this big car where all
Speaker 4: his dogs are, and the smell was so overpowering she
Speaker 4: thought she was going to pass out. And then they
Speaker 4: went for a hike together and he just kept stopping
Speaker 4: to pick up these mountains of poo that all his
Speaker 4: dogs were doing on the trail, and like he's quite
Speaker 4: the eccentric character.
Speaker 1: But they obviously hit it off because they stayed in
Speaker 1: touch and started sexting. Essentially.
Speaker 4: The story broke last week and everyone involved quickly called
Speaker 4: crisis PR people and issued statements, which included New York
Speaker 4: Magazine a note to our readers. Recently, our Washington correspondent
Speaker 4: Olivia Nuzzy acknowledged to the magazine's editors that she had
Speaker 4: engaged in a personal relationship with a former subject relevant
Speaker 4: to the twenty twenty four campaign while she was reporting
Speaker 4: on the campaign. Had the magazine been aware of this relationship,
Speaker 4: she would not have continued to cover the presidential campaign.
Speaker 4: She's currently on leave while we conduct an inquiry.
Speaker 3: To be clear. Yeah, she'd already filed the profile.
Speaker 2: The ethics of it are interesting. Yeah, journalists and politicians
Speaker 2: have had affairs before. Blanche del Puge went to interview
Speaker 2: Bob Hawk, and that's how their affair began.
Speaker 1: And for the age, and this.
Speaker 3: Is the thing, it wasn't a flattering profile.
Speaker 5: That was not an interesting flirting because that profile was
Speaker 5: not what what I'm sure he would want her to
Speaker 5: have written.
Speaker 4: Or She released a statement next saying, some communication between
Speaker 4: myself and a former reporting subject turned personal.
Speaker 1: Earlier this year.
Speaker 4: During that time, I did not directly report on the
Speaker 4: subject nor use them as a source. The relationship was
Speaker 4: never physical, but should have been disclosed to prevent the
Speaker 4: appearance of a conflict. I deeply regret not doing so
Speaker 4: and apologize to all those I've disappointed. Then his representative
Speaker 4: released this cracker of.
Speaker 3: A starle I have one hundred things to say about
Speaker 3: this statement.
Speaker 4: Mister Kennedy only met Olivia Nuzzy once in his life
Speaker 4: for an interview she requested, which yielded a hit piece.
Speaker 2: He didn't like the interview.
Speaker 1: The dog Pooh was too much.
Speaker 4: So what's interesting is that he's also his camp have
Speaker 4: been briefing journals off the record and told Puck News
Speaker 4: that she sent some demure nude photos to him and
Speaker 4: that the relationship was once sided, with some friends of
Speaker 4: the former candidate believing she set him up. She was
Speaker 4: a bit stalkery.
Speaker 5: Well shit, this is what I've heard. I've heard she
Speaker 5: targeted him pretty hard. Bobby was blocking her continually.
Speaker 1: It was a little too snary.
Speaker 3: She was obsessed with him. I think she's still so
Speaker 3: much from a blow.
Speaker 5: Is a man who I found a headlined about how
Speaker 5: with his first wife she found a list of forty
Speaker 5: three mistresses on his phone. He only knows how to
Speaker 5: cheat on women, his flood with other women while standing
Speaker 5: next to his wife. We truly believe that this thirty
Speaker 5: one year old woman was just bombarding him with sexy
Speaker 5: images while he tried to look away and delete them.
Speaker 1: Well, she did certain news.
Speaker 4: And what's interesting is that you know she was also
Speaker 4: engaged until now to another high profile political reporter in
Speaker 4: the US, guy called Ryan Lizza, who had his own
Speaker 4: me too scandal and got lovely It's lovely weave. Cheryl
Speaker 4: Hines has not yet released a statement. She's in I
Speaker 4: think Paris with her daughters and also one of his daughters,
Speaker 4: celebrating her birthday. The question is is digital cheating? And
Speaker 4: there has never been a more unsettling term. I don't
Speaker 4: think that I'm issued on this podcast. I think we
Speaker 4: need to maybe rephrase it. I don't know what you
Speaker 4: call it. Emotional cheating, digital cheating, basically no touching yep,
Speaker 4: but still nuds. Is it actually a deal breaker? What
Speaker 4: is Cheryl Hines going to do now?
Speaker 5: Okay, because this is what I'm interested in. It is
Speaker 5: definitely a deal breaker for the party sending them, Right,
Speaker 5: So I discovered that my partner has been sending news
Speaker 5: to someone else. Yes, that is absolutely cheating. What I
Speaker 5: find interesting is the denial of the party who received them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what if your partner just received yes?
Speaker 3: And this is the thing, is that Paul bothers his
Speaker 3: will was trying to block her, but then apparently the
Speaker 3: images were becoming I quote increasingly pornographic, and so he
Speaker 3: did unblock them to see.
Speaker 2: So is he So no one has managed to prove
Speaker 2: whether or not he reciprocated.
Speaker 5: Oh God, I hope. Sorry, yeah, I hope.
Speaker 2: So he has plausible deniability in his This was a
Speaker 2: very one sided situation.
Speaker 4: Look, I think the deal breaker for me would have
Speaker 4: been just Robert Kennedy Junior himself, I mean everything from
Speaker 4: his He's an interesting cat in that he started as
Speaker 4: an environmentalist and got quite a lot of celebrity friends
Speaker 4: that way, but then he kind of pivoted to being
Speaker 4: an anti vaxxer.
Speaker 1: This is way before.
Speaker 2: COVID and recovered drug addict, isn't he.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's also complicated guy storied life.
Speaker 3: Back on the nudes.
Speaker 5: Do you know anyone in your own lives who sent
Speaker 5: an unsolicited nude to a man who hasn't asked for
Speaker 5: one who doesn't want one? Do you honestly think like
Speaker 5: you're you mean as a woman, as a woman, as
Speaker 5: a woman.
Speaker 3: I just we love this trope.
Speaker 5: Of the mad, obsessed, stalkery young woman coming onto the
Speaker 5: older guy, and she won't stop, and she's trying to
Speaker 5: use her body.
Speaker 2: We know what he was saying in response, exactly right.
Speaker 1: Because she's not leaking.
Speaker 4: I think from this you can see his camp's leaking
Speaker 4: and trying to smear her.
Speaker 1: She's not leaking.
Speaker 4: So her friends are saying, well, no, that's not true.
Speaker 4: It wasn't one sided, it was two sided, and she
Speaker 4: regrets it. The other question is who leaked this, And
Speaker 4: it's been reported also that he was bragging about it, right,
Speaker 4: and then also the fact that he backed Trump, which
Speaker 4: is bizarre because Trump is the worst candidate in terms
Speaker 4: of the environment as well as everything else. So Cheryl
Speaker 4: Hines interestingly has copped a lot of pressure in Hollywood
Speaker 4: for who she's married to, and she has sort of
Speaker 4: said because he's done things like compared vaccines to the Holocaust,
Speaker 4: and she's had to release a statement saying what he
Speaker 4: said was appalling, and it's been complicated. There's clearly been
Speaker 4: a lot of tension.
Speaker 3: Surely this will end their marriage.
Speaker 4: Well, I would be lately, this is it, This is
Speaker 4: the final straw.
Speaker 1: Why would you hang around?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: Digital cheating is cheating. So if that is your deal breaker,
Speaker 2: you know, because some people would be like, well, maybe
Speaker 2: they've got an open relationship maybe, and she'd just be like,
Speaker 2: silly boy, you're an idiot. That's fine. And if you're
Speaker 2: not that bothered about infidelity, whatever, but if you are,
Speaker 2: like if they are supposed to be in a monogamous relationship,
Speaker 2: digital cheating is cheating, no question right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: His second wife took her life during their divorce and
Speaker 4: he absolutely also smeared her like.
Speaker 2: One of beals worst people. So it doesn't surprise me
Speaker 2: that he's pals these days with Donald Trump because feather,
Speaker 2: et cetera. So it is definitely cheating. Should she leave him,
Speaker 2: that's obviously up to her. It's very hard to imagine
Speaker 2: that she's prepared to weather this storm. Mat What does
Speaker 2: Olivia do from here unless he is, well, I feel
Speaker 2: it's sorry for Livia.
Speaker 4: Don too.
Speaker 2: I feel sorry for Olivia because she is undergoing right now,
Speaker 2: a public shaming and a public slot shaming of epic proportions.
Speaker 2: You know, we're sitting on the other side of the
Speaker 2: world talking about who she's sending nudes to. I get
Speaker 2: that it's ethically questionable. I get that New York mag
Speaker 2: had to say we had to suspend her, but as
Speaker 2: Jesse's already said, the piece was out. You know, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: She's very good at her job.
Speaker 2: I don't want her to leap over. So I think
Speaker 2: it's different if you're in the camera press gallery, for example,
Speaker 2: and you're having an ongoing relationship with a politician and
Speaker 2: consistently covering them and riding glowing pieces about them, massive
Speaker 2: conflict of introes.
Speaker 1: But she's a political.
Speaker 4: Reporter who's well sourced in the Trump camp. He's a
Speaker 4: backer of Trump, as surrogate of Trump, is angling for
Speaker 4: a place as the health minister or the minister.
Speaker 2: For Trump's apparently offered him a job, right.
Speaker 4: I don't think anymore, because Trump doesn't like anyone who
Speaker 4: pulls focus and doesn't like anything negative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great. It's not the most ethical of behavior.
Speaker 2: But she is definitely undergoing a great slut shaming right now,
Speaker 2: and I do kind of feel sorry for her about that.
Speaker 2: I think she'll survive it. I think she will. I
Speaker 2: think this is a sophisticated group of people who are
Speaker 2: you know, I'm talking about Washington reporters, and I think
Speaker 2: they're they're unlikely to throw her out on a puritanical point,
Speaker 2: but she has certainly her reputation will struggle to recover.
Speaker 4: She might have to pivot at this point and become
Speaker 4: a commentator on Fox News.
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Speaker 2: Do you have well being burnout? Because apparently forty five
Speaker 2: percent of us STEW and more Australians than anywhere else
Speaker 2: in the world, which is interesting. Don't know what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about. Here are some of the symptoms. You feel
Speaker 2: the pressure to project a vision of being well all
Speaker 2: the time, even if you don't really feel it. You're
Speaker 2: confused and overwhelmed about what is healthy now and what
Speaker 2: is not a complex carbs Okay, is the granola on
Speaker 2: top of your protein rich yogurt counteracting its benefits? Is
Speaker 2: coffee the devil, etc.
Speaker 7: Etc.
Speaker 2: You're not sure if you should be trying to cold
Speaker 2: plunge in an actual tank of icy water or if
Speaker 2: the cold tap on the shower will do, and whether
Speaker 2: the sauna needs to be infrared to count and whether
Speaker 2: the meditation should be eyes open or eyes closed? And
Speaker 2: really did any of this happen if you didn't post
Speaker 2: about it? Ditto for your five am run. Everyone, it
Speaker 2: seems is doing one on your Instagram, but you did not.
Speaker 2: It is all making you feel exhaust and not well.
Speaker 2: That is well being burnout. Now, I don't think I
Speaker 2: have well being burnout because I'm in one of those
Speaker 2: live seasons where I'm not doing anything for my well
Speaker 2: being except for my morning walks.
Speaker 3: I've seen you eating cottage cheese.
Speaker 2: Oh I am eating cottage cheese. So I'm aspiring to
Speaker 2: have a well being burnout right, But I'm feeling well
Speaker 2: being almost impossible to implement at the moment. But am
Speaker 2: I kidding myself?
Speaker 1: Jesse?
Speaker 2: Do I indeed have well being burned out?
Speaker 4: Do you?
Speaker 6: Do?
Speaker 2: We all? And what do we do about it?
Speaker 5: I think you have well being burnout, and I think
Speaker 5: you've been suffering from a for years.
Speaker 4: Just to clarify, is it from doing too much wellness
Speaker 4: or from feeling overwhelmed by the wellness that other people
Speaker 4: are doing?
Speaker 5: I think it's being overwhelmed by the mental load. And
Speaker 5: like the idea of how much you should be doing
Speaker 5: even if you're not doing it right.
Speaker 1: I relate to this, so.
Speaker 5: I reckon that wellness as it is currently sold to
Speaker 5: us could be a full time job. I reckon this
Speaker 5: is we love watching full time girlfriends on TikTok because
Speaker 5: their full time joe is wellness, from their smoothies to
Speaker 5: their pilates to getting enough sleep. I remember talking years
Speaker 5: ago about this Orlando Bloom profile where he talked about
Speaker 5: his day and he would get up and he'd check
Speaker 5: how much sleep he had, and then he'd go and
Speaker 5: chant before doing his hike where he earned his breakfast
Speaker 5: and he had his brain octane power the Hollywood people do.
Speaker 5: And he plays with Lego for he's not not with
Speaker 5: his children, to be clear, for mindfulness.
Speaker 2: If the children want to play, Lego's like, no, this
Speaker 2: is not.
Speaker 3: My mindful anymore.
Speaker 5: And it has been popularized by this breed of man,
Speaker 5: and I hear this in a lot of the podcasts
Speaker 5: I listened to, and I always think, where are the dependents?
Speaker 1: I thought illness was a women's game.
Speaker 5: I thought, I keep thinking about that guy I can't
Speaker 5: remember his name who wants to live forever.
Speaker 2: Oh Johnson, Yes, he lives oss.
Speaker 5: So men are the ones talking about their ice baths.
Speaker 5: They're going, you need. If I hear another man tell
Speaker 5: me how much sleep I should be getting, I'm gonna yell.
Speaker 2: They're obsessed with it.
Speaker 3: They're usessed.
Speaker 2: And then you have to wake up and you have
Speaker 2: to do your journaling, yeah, and your meditation, and then
Speaker 2: your eyes bath, and then your sauna yep.
Speaker 3: And then they're like you need to be doing. And
Speaker 3: this is what Orlando Bloom does.
Speaker 5: He does a cheeky hour of waits every day and
Speaker 5: then you kind of do a little bit of stretching
Speaker 5: as well. And this is the thing is that I
Speaker 5: was reading this report. It was actually by Lulu Lemon,
Speaker 5: who have done a big research report on it, that
Speaker 5: said part of the burnout is conflicting information, this sense
Speaker 5: that we should be doing all of these things at once.
Speaker 5: So even when I'm on my way home from the gym,
Speaker 5: I think I did waits today, but I'm not doing
Speaker 5: enough yoga and everyone else is running and I'm not running.
Speaker 5: I think that's another thing playing on our minds that
Speaker 5: we never know for sure whether we're doing it right
Speaker 5: because we're just so overwhelmed with all the information.
Speaker 1: Well, it feels like there's just always more things being added.
Speaker 4: This has come at a really interesting week for me,
Speaker 4: because as you get older as well, you've got to
Speaker 4: do more and more things.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I've gone to the pelvic physio
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 4: I've been told I've got to do these pelvic things,
Speaker 4: but I've also got to start doing strength training for
Speaker 4: weight bearing about. And then also I think I've got roseations,
Speaker 4: so I've got a damn total like and it's all
Speaker 4: of these things, and then I feel like I should
Speaker 4: be having infra red saunas and ice baths, but that
Speaker 4: sounds unpleasant. And also it's all expensive and all It's
Speaker 4: like wellness has been packaged up as things to sell
Speaker 4: to us because of capitalism, Jesse, which you haven't mentioned
Speaker 4: in a really long time, disappointingly, And it feels like
Speaker 4: this list of things to do and buy, I don't
Speaker 4: have the time, you know, the disposable income. It's expensive
Speaker 4: doing all of these things, and you still feel like
Speaker 4: you're not doing it right or doing it enough.
Speaker 5: I wonder if the status of wellness, which I think holds,
Speaker 5: you know, it's number one in terms of every celebrity,
Speaker 5: is harping on about it. We do want to look
Speaker 5: well and we want to project an image of wellness.
Speaker 1: It's like performative.
Speaker 3: It's performative.
Speaker 5: But I think the reason why hold such high status
Speaker 5: is because it's code for I have time and money,
Speaker 5: and they're what we're actually aspirrab.
Speaker 2: But also the reason why it holds the status is
Speaker 2: because most of us feel tired and a little bit
Speaker 2: sick all of the time. Right. Most women in particular
Speaker 2: that I know would say that you often wake up tired,
Speaker 2: and there are a million reasons for that. They've got
Speaker 2: health niggles that they're not getting satisfying answers for their
Speaker 2: hormones are wreaking havoc in different ways. Most of us
Speaker 2: feel kind of unwell a lot of the time. So
Speaker 2: the ultimate aspiration and we think we can see it
Speaker 2: on people's faces when we look at our Gwynit's or
Speaker 2: our Brian Johnson's or whatever, is like, oh, you must
Speaker 2: have so much energy and you must feel so great.
Speaker 2: The things I most want in my life is I
Speaker 2: want to have loads of energy and I want to
Speaker 2: feel great. It feels like if only you did this, this, this, this,
Speaker 2: you could so it's your fault that you're not feeling.
Speaker 2: It's definitely your fault. And the thing is is that's
Speaker 2: not true. But also you're not allowed to complain about it.
Speaker 2: If you're doing all the things that you shouldn't be doing,
Speaker 2: like drinking coffee, having a glass of wine, sometimes staying
Speaker 2: in bed instead of going for a run at five o'clock,
Speaker 2: it's like, well, what do you expect, lazy come one way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and managing your stress feels like a full time job.
Speaker 5: But that makes me very stressed thinking about how to
Speaker 5: make because I actually don't really know how to manage it.
Speaker 4: And then someone's like, meditate, You've got to meditate. It's like,
Speaker 4: I don't have time. I want to Every person.
Speaker 2: Like all of the smart women I interview on mid
Speaker 2: every single one of them has told me to meditate,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to try. I don't don't what benefits
Speaker 2: from general wellness well, because as I said before, the
Speaker 2: thing I want more than anything is energy and calm. Right,
Speaker 2: So I want energy and calm. And apparently so many
Speaker 2: people I know who meditate say that's exactly what it
Speaker 2: gives them. They say it's like plugging yourself in, like
Speaker 2: you're an iPhone whose battery is low and you plug
Speaker 2: yourself in. I downloaded an app the other day. I
Speaker 2: may have even paid for it, That is Gwyneth's app
Speaker 2: about open eye meditation. And then I realize that I
Speaker 2: don't want open eye meditation. I want to close my
Speaker 2: fucking eyes what I like. And then if I open
Speaker 2: my app and it says sit up straight, no, I
Speaker 2: want to be like, is meditation called sleep?
Speaker 3: Anyway?
Speaker 2: And so then I deleted the app because it made
Speaker 2: me sad. I'm like, so now I'm on a mission
Speaker 2: because these women are all smart and interesting and they
Speaker 2: say this is the key, and I'm like, okay, so
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 2: Is that because I'm.
Speaker 4: Back to what you said, Jesse about all these wellness
Speaker 4: men who've almost gamified it and turned it into this
Speaker 4: very much sho alpha male thing like raw dogging and
Speaker 4: all of that. They don't predominantly have caring responsibilities. And
Speaker 4: the thing is that when you've got to do all
Speaker 4: of these things, you've got to take the time from somewhere.
Speaker 4: So where do you take the time from. Do you
Speaker 4: take it from work? Do you take it from your family?
Speaker 4: Do you take it from your friends? It's got to
Speaker 4: come from somewhere.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The value you feel as a woman often comes from
Speaker 5: your relationship to others. So it's like the value I
Speaker 5: feel is I have to be a mother one hundred
Speaker 5: percent of the time and a worker and a wife
Speaker 5: and all of that, and that's why wellness comes last.
Speaker 5: But then it's a stick that we beat ourselves with.
Speaker 5: This Lulu Lemon research that came out that basically said
Speaker 5: that Australia is.
Speaker 1: By all leggings, Yeah exactly right.
Speaker 2: I would love to thank you to make them for
Speaker 2: me please, and that Australia is not doing so well
Speaker 2: when it comes to wellness burnout.
Speaker 5: It had some ideas, right, and it said here's all
Speaker 5: you need to do, and it had three points and
Speaker 5: these are the first two points.
Speaker 3: The first is quite the noise, And I was like,
Speaker 3: quite the noise. I can do that.
Speaker 5: But then it said focus on mindfulness, take social media breaks,
Speaker 5: and set boundaries. People who practice meditation report twelve percent higher.
Speaker 5: And I was like, you've just given me forty five
Speaker 5: things to do. The next one do what feels good,
Speaker 5: practice doing things at your own pace, move your body,
Speaker 5: spend time in nature, use physical activity to socialize and
Speaker 5: I hate that's just fucking more work to do and
Speaker 5: my to do list is already overflowing.
Speaker 2: You know, I've just realized something. Well, if openeym metitate
Speaker 2: is a thing, I could be meditating.
Speaker 4: I think you are like when you used to cry
Speaker 4: in meetings silently, remember that era of your life. We could.
Speaker 2: It's like when Mia looks at me blackly, maybe she's meditating.
Speaker 1: I am she is definitely what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: We can sometimes sound like wisten if you about wellness,
Speaker 2: and there is no question. The nugget of truth in
Speaker 2: all this is that women don't make time for themselves.
Speaker 2: They put themselves at the end of the list, and
Speaker 2: it's not surprising that we fall over. So it has
Speaker 2: changed my life. Going for a walk in the morning. Yeah,
Speaker 2: finding little things in my day that I do just
Speaker 2: for me. That's what self care is really meant to be, right.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be about meditating. If it is,
Speaker 2: it is, but it can also be about a cup
Speaker 2: of tea and walk in the part whatever. So I
Speaker 2: feel like I should be lifting weights, meditating and running,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, can I do those all at once?
Speaker 1: While you're meditating with your eyes open before we go.
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Speaker 4: I did love that whole insane scene with Liev turning
Speaker 4: up drunk and saying the starcastly and Nicole just like, oh, come.
Speaker 1: On, come on, tag tag, come on, tag tag.
Speaker 4: Also her brother being there and like knowing watching watching
Speaker 4: back on that scene knowing it's her brother, and she
Speaker 4: going someone's coming to the stage. She just keeps reading
Speaker 4: help over here while she keeps reading her book. That
Speaker 4: was really good and you can listen to the full
Speaker 4: episode via the link in our show notes.
Speaker 7: Bye bye.
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