WEBVTT - Demure Nudes & Digital Cheating 0:00:10.327 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mamma Mer acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:23.687 that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to 0:00:23.727 --> 0:00:26.287 Mamma Mia out loud. It's what women are actually talking 0:00:26.287 --> 0:00:30.047 about on Wednesday, the twenty fifth of September, I'm Holly 0:00:30.087 --> 0:00:31.967 Wayne Wright, I'm MEA Friedman, and. 0:00:31.887 --> 0:00:32.927 I'm Jesse Stevens. 0:00:33.087 --> 0:00:35.687 And on the show today, a very famous man is 0:00:35.687 --> 0:00:38.887 in jail and celebrities are deleting their socials. Unpacking the 0:00:38.927 --> 0:00:43.327 p Diddy allegations and their impact. Also a presidential candidate 0:00:43.407 --> 0:00:47.047 nude photos, and a conversation about digital cheating. Welcome to 0:00:47.087 --> 0:00:50.647 me as current obsession and you probably have well being 0:00:50.687 --> 0:00:54.007 burned out and please pass the coffee, but first, Mia Friedman. 0:00:54.247 --> 0:00:57.087 In case you missed it, a poor poor man has 0:00:57.087 --> 0:01:00.247 gone viral after he simply sent a text message to 0:01:00.327 --> 0:01:04.287 his fiancee. Twenty two year old Avery Beverly from Florida 0:01:04.447 --> 0:01:08.207 shared a text message from her fiance aiden with the 0:01:08.247 --> 0:01:10.967 Internet and it's gotten over nine hundred thousand views and 0:01:11.007 --> 0:01:14.887 many many comments. The text message said, what time is 0:01:14.927 --> 0:01:15.367 our wedding? 0:01:16.767 --> 0:01:18.967 I loved the story. 0:01:19.527 --> 0:01:23.167 I read it and went, oh what did he send goodness? 0:01:23.447 --> 0:01:25.367 And then I'm like, okay, what's the rest of it 0:01:25.407 --> 0:01:26.047 that he said? 0:01:26.327 --> 0:01:26.887 That was it? 0:01:27.167 --> 0:01:29.927 He just said what time is our wedding? And people 0:01:30.367 --> 0:01:34.247 lost it. They said, my husband also asked this. My 0:01:34.367 --> 0:01:36.407 husband asked this every single day of the week of 0:01:36.447 --> 0:01:39.087 our wedding. Mine asked me to send the location the 0:01:39.167 --> 0:01:39.527 day of. 0:01:40.207 --> 0:01:41.407 And they're just on and on. 0:01:41.327 --> 0:01:43.807 With these people, aghast that a man could ask what 0:01:43.847 --> 0:01:46.607 time his wedding was. This was also two months before 0:01:46.887 --> 0:01:49.167 his wedding. Now, if you'd have asked that even on 0:01:49.247 --> 0:01:52.927 the day, even after the wedding had started, I would 0:01:52.967 --> 0:01:54.127 not blame him. Why not? 0:01:54.447 --> 0:01:54.927 Why? 0:01:55.087 --> 0:01:57.687 Because the reason all these women are mad like decoding 0:01:57.807 --> 0:01:59.887 is because all the mental load of the wedding is 0:01:59.927 --> 0:02:02.167 on me and you're just turning up and you can't 0:02:02.167 --> 0:02:04.207 even be bothered to know what time it is. 0:02:04.607 --> 0:02:10.007 Well, I think it's because men just aren't that interested. 0:02:10.087 --> 0:02:14.687 And look, I empathize with men about weddings because I 0:02:14.727 --> 0:02:16.847 am not that bride, I was not that bride. 0:02:16.967 --> 0:02:19.887 I'm not interested in it's what time it starts. You're 0:02:19.887 --> 0:02:22.527 gonna asking him like, could you tell me exactly what 0:02:22.647 --> 0:02:24.887 shade you're time? Like, what time it starts. 0:02:24.887 --> 0:02:26.967 I think that's a very sensible question. He doesn't want 0:02:27.007 --> 0:02:27.367 to be late. 0:02:27.487 --> 0:02:29.927 Leave the guy alone, Jesse, Oh no, no, no. 0:02:30.447 --> 0:02:33.167 The reason why the first is the mental load that 0:02:33.207 --> 0:02:36.207 she's doing everything. And again it's not even in your 0:02:36.247 --> 0:02:39.167 bloody diary to go. It's an event that I have 0:02:39.247 --> 0:02:41.447 to attend and be on time for. I think the 0:02:41.567 --> 0:02:45.327 other point of irritation is that as a bride, you 0:02:45.607 --> 0:02:48.047 have to know what time it starts, because women have 0:02:48.127 --> 0:02:52.407 to do the most complicated equation, that complicated math. No, 0:02:52.487 --> 0:02:54.567 it's not because no, no, no, because you know that it's 0:02:54.567 --> 0:02:56.767 going to start at three, and so you go, all right, 0:02:56.847 --> 0:02:58.687 then I've got to start my makeup at three thirty 0:02:58.687 --> 0:03:01.167 am so that the hair can get here at five. 0:03:01.247 --> 0:03:03.047 And did a day do it? And a matter off 0:03:03.047 --> 0:03:06.847 playing golf. Even if you do it yourself, your actual 0:03:06.927 --> 0:03:10.767 wedding day for a woman is so stressful and packed, 0:03:10.807 --> 0:03:13.447 whereas men are, like, if it starts at three, I 0:03:13.487 --> 0:03:15.527 reckon I should put my suit on two point fifty. 0:03:15.647 --> 0:03:17.847 On your wedding day, all the guys were at my 0:03:17.927 --> 0:03:20.327 house and it was so much more fun than it 0:03:20.447 --> 0:03:22.487 was where you were across the road. 0:03:22.607 --> 0:03:24.327 And also you had your. 0:03:24.207 --> 0:03:27.087 Best lady with gastro so it was quite the drama 0:03:27.167 --> 0:03:29.687 and ivy fluids over at yours. But look, it is 0:03:30.047 --> 0:03:32.087 beauty standards and all of those kinds of things. But 0:03:32.167 --> 0:03:33.727 I just I'm going to side with Holly on this 0:03:33.727 --> 0:03:37.567 one and say the whole wedding industrial complex it's just 0:03:37.687 --> 0:03:40.087 a bit silly. And I know that outladders get annoyed 0:03:40.087 --> 0:03:41.727 with us when we say this, because Holly and I 0:03:41.767 --> 0:03:44.167 are very pooper about weddings and if you love that stuff, 0:03:44.647 --> 0:03:47.687 go for it, lean into it, you know, start preparing 0:03:47.727 --> 0:03:50.727 six months out, two years out, knock yourself out. But 0:03:50.767 --> 0:03:52.847 then don't be all like this is. 0:03:52.887 --> 0:03:55.327 So hard, my life is so hard. 0:03:55.407 --> 0:03:58.607 He does nothing, but I thought, not just brides deciding 0:03:58.607 --> 0:03:59.527 to have big weddings. 0:03:59.527 --> 0:04:01.727 To be clear, I'm with you on everything you said 0:04:01.767 --> 0:04:04.727 right up until that point. I think it's entirely reasonable 0:04:05.327 --> 0:04:08.167 to expect that if you are planning a wedding with 0:04:08.327 --> 0:04:11.047 somebody who's supposed to want to marry you, that they 0:04:11.087 --> 0:04:14.407 pay some attention to the details, like what time it's start. 0:04:14.487 --> 0:04:16.367 But it's about the marriage hole, not the wedding, of 0:04:16.447 --> 0:04:19.247 course it is. I think you've still got the day. 0:04:19.327 --> 0:04:23.047 Oh my superficial, But it's not superficial to know what 0:04:23.087 --> 0:04:23.487 time to. 0:04:24.247 --> 0:04:26.767 Turn I don't know what time to turn up at anything. 0:04:26.967 --> 0:04:29.607 But also when you're a main character in an event, 0:04:30.447 --> 0:04:32.367 you often don't get an invitation. 0:04:32.887 --> 0:04:34.687 This is a little loophole. 0:04:34.247 --> 0:04:36.967 Like I found at your one of your events, your wedding, 0:04:37.007 --> 0:04:39.687 your engagement party, I didn't get an invitation. 0:04:40.007 --> 0:04:43.407 So I think you sent the invitations. 0:04:42.447 --> 0:04:44.687 Saying I don't know what time it is. I didn't 0:04:44.687 --> 0:04:47.367 get an invitation. I think it was your wedding that 0:04:47.367 --> 0:04:49.047 I didn't. 0:04:48.407 --> 0:04:53.247 I actually just didn't want to invite you. 0:04:54.127 --> 0:04:56.207 So she was like, I suppose she's going to come. 0:04:57.527 --> 0:05:00.527 Last week, Sean Combs, also known as Diddy or p Diddy, 0:05:00.687 --> 0:05:03.887 one of the wealthiest musical artists of all time, was arrested. 0:05:04.447 --> 0:05:08.047 He has been charged with sex trafficking and racketeering, so 0:05:08.287 --> 0:05:11.407 running a criminal and prize centering on abusing women by 0:05:11.487 --> 0:05:15.247 using bribery, arson, kidnapping, and threats of violence to intimidate 0:05:15.327 --> 0:05:19.007 and silence victims. In the days since other women have 0:05:19.087 --> 0:05:23.287 come forward with allegations of rape, he has pleaded not guilty. 0:05:23.607 --> 0:05:26.287 Now you might remember earlier this year we talked about 0:05:26.367 --> 0:05:31.727 the Cassie Ventura allegations, which Coombs originally denied until a 0:05:31.807 --> 0:05:36.167 video surfaced of the rapper physically assaulting his former girlfriend 0:05:36.167 --> 0:05:40.367 at a hotel in la It's hard to even imagine this, 0:05:40.447 --> 0:05:42.727 but only a year ago, Coombs was seen as an 0:05:42.727 --> 0:05:46.167 industry visionary. He was afforded an enormous amount of respect, 0:05:46.647 --> 0:05:49.407 and we, it seems, are only beginning to scratch the 0:05:49.447 --> 0:05:53.527 surface of some of his alleged crimes. The allegations that 0:05:53.527 --> 0:05:56.167 have emerged in the last week are so damning, and 0:05:56.207 --> 0:06:00.247 they potentially implicate dozens of celebrities, and this has The 0:06:00.287 --> 0:06:04.407 New York Times asking is the music world's me too movement? Finally, 0:06:04.567 --> 0:06:08.487 here in the legal papers submitted as part of the lawsuit, 0:06:08.527 --> 0:06:11.767 there are references says to freak off parties that's a quote, 0:06:12.207 --> 0:06:16.407 which were elaborate and produced sex performances that Combs arranged 0:06:16.447 --> 0:06:21.247 and electronically recorded. The papers allege these free coughs lasted 0:06:21.367 --> 0:06:24.607 days at a time, they involved a variety of illicit substances, 0:06:25.007 --> 0:06:29.047 and the sensitive recordings were used as collateral against the victims. 0:06:29.687 --> 0:06:32.767 A Department of Homeland Security agent says they have evidence 0:06:32.807 --> 0:06:35.207 that the women did not feel free to go and 0:06:35.327 --> 0:06:38.967 video evidence shows that some are I quote, clearly out 0:06:39.007 --> 0:06:41.287 of it while the men are having sex with them. 0:06:41.447 --> 0:06:44.047 And he's alleged to have flown in male porn stars 0:06:44.487 --> 0:06:48.527 to participate in those free coughs, and the women who 0:06:48.727 --> 0:06:52.047 I believe included Cassie Ventura. I mean, what I can't 0:06:52.127 --> 0:06:55.327 understand is how after that video was released he was 0:06:55.407 --> 0:06:59.447 not charged and found guilty and jailed, which he also 0:06:59.527 --> 0:07:01.687 admitted that he'd done it. Remember he had that video 0:07:01.687 --> 0:07:05.007 where he said, I'm ashamed. That's not who I am, 0:07:05.127 --> 0:07:08.447 except it is who you are, buddy. That's you beating 0:07:08.447 --> 0:07:11.687 a woman who you purport to love in publics, so 0:07:11.727 --> 0:07:14.047 God knows what you did in private. But when his 0:07:14.127 --> 0:07:16.247 lawyer came out and said, you know, did he as 0:07:16.247 --> 0:07:18.687 a visionary? He's many things, he's not perfect, but he's 0:07:18.687 --> 0:07:19.327 not a criminal. 0:07:19.367 --> 0:07:22.527 It's like, but you are, We saw that we are. 0:07:22.847 --> 0:07:23.487 The evidence. 0:07:24.007 --> 0:07:29.527 Court documents claim that Coombs has recordings of several celebrities, artists, 0:07:29.767 --> 0:07:33.847 music label executives, and athletes engaging in a legal activity. 0:07:33.967 --> 0:07:38.847 These individuals were recorded without their knowledge and consent. This 0:07:38.927 --> 0:07:42.007 has led to images of Kumbs's parties being splashed over 0:07:42.047 --> 0:07:45.807 every news site, with just about every celebrity you can think. 0:07:45.807 --> 0:07:48.487 So not sex parties that he used to have these 0:07:48.487 --> 0:07:50.447 annual white probably. 0:07:50.647 --> 0:07:52.927 I think one of the things that's important to understand 0:07:53.087 --> 0:07:54.927 is that I don't think that everyone whoever went to 0:07:54.927 --> 0:07:59.167 the white parties in the Hamptons was necessarily obviously aware 0:07:59.287 --> 0:08:01.327 or partaking in these parties. I think there are like 0:08:01.487 --> 0:08:04.767 levels of debauchery in this situation. 0:08:04.367 --> 0:08:07.647 And levels of knowledge, because what's being uncovered now is 0:08:07.687 --> 0:08:13.487 how much of kind of how Wild Coombs's parties were 0:08:13.767 --> 0:08:15.007 was an open secret in Hollywood. 0:08:15.007 --> 0:08:15.607 People just knew it. 0:08:15.607 --> 0:08:18.167 It's been referred to in popular culture for more than 0:08:18.167 --> 0:08:18.687 twenty years. 0:08:18.807 --> 0:08:20.767 Yeah, but what does wild mean exactly? 0:08:20.927 --> 0:08:23.327 Yeah, which brings us to a clip from Keeping Up 0:08:23.327 --> 0:08:26.567 with the Kardashians from twenty fourteen where Chloe said. 0:08:26.367 --> 0:08:29.767 This, so, who was with you this weekend? A bunch 0:08:29.807 --> 0:08:35.687 of my friends, Didy, Quincy, justin Bieber. 0:08:36.087 --> 0:08:37.527 So far as Montana. 0:08:38.647 --> 0:08:40.887 You know half the people you're naming? 0:08:41.327 --> 0:08:42.767 No, she didn't go to bed. 0:08:44.087 --> 0:08:45.887 I opened a bed yet you haven't. 0:08:46.247 --> 0:08:47.087 I want to be Chloe. 0:08:47.087 --> 0:08:48.967 When I grew up Court, I got on a. 0:08:48.887 --> 0:08:52.527 Plane at five thirty am. 0:08:52.687 --> 0:08:55.367 Well, this party, I think half the people there were 0:08:55.407 --> 0:08:57.127 butt naked, you would have loved it. 0:08:57.487 --> 0:09:00.047 Justin Bieber, who was twenty at the time of Chloe's comments, 0:09:00.327 --> 0:09:02.687 is now central to the coverage of this case, with 0:09:02.807 --> 0:09:07.407 many publications reappraising his relationship with Coombs, who is also 0:09:07.687 --> 0:09:11.687 a very powerful record exact was he discovered by He 0:09:11.767 --> 0:09:16.167 was discovered by Usher, who was very close to Sean kuhmbs. 0:09:16.687 --> 0:09:20.727 But there's reports that suggest that Coombs could be worth. 0:09:20.767 --> 0:09:21.847 One billion dollars. 0:09:21.927 --> 0:09:25.487 Like the network that holds up this man and the 0:09:25.527 --> 0:09:28.287 industry that relies on him is so big. 0:09:28.407 --> 0:09:32.527 But it's also important to note that Diddy is a 0:09:32.687 --> 0:09:35.647 mogul of the sort that it's not all about music, 0:09:35.727 --> 0:09:38.007 so it's clothes like he has a ven diagram the 0:09:38.007 --> 0:09:41.727 intersex between. He was one of the era of rap 0:09:41.807 --> 0:09:46.127 artists who came up in a very tumultuous time, right, 0:09:46.127 --> 0:09:48.967 we'd probably all remember him being arrested with Jennifer Lopez 0:09:49.007 --> 0:09:51.327 back in the day at a shooting and all those things, 0:09:51.327 --> 0:09:57.167 and then sort of transformed into a billionaire mogul, and 0:09:57.207 --> 0:10:01.087 that involved his Sean John clothing label. He also became 0:10:01.127 --> 0:10:04.207 a TV producer, So the reason that his parties could 0:10:04.247 --> 0:10:08.887 attract everybody was his spheres of influence were very intersected. 0:10:09.247 --> 0:10:11.807 There's music, there's fashion, there's TV and movies, so it's 0:10:11.847 --> 0:10:13.367 all of it together, you know what I mean. 0:10:13.727 --> 0:10:16.967 And in light of the new allegations, watching his relationship 0:10:16.967 --> 0:10:20.687 with a very very young Justin Bieber is making people uncomfortable. 0:10:20.687 --> 0:10:22.927 So there's a two thousand and nine YouTube video that 0:10:23.047 --> 0:10:25.367 is resurfaced with this exchange where we. 0:10:25.407 --> 0:10:28.647 Hanging out and what we're doing, we can't really disclose. 0:10:29.607 --> 0:10:32.967 It's definitely a fifteen year old's dream for the next 0:10:32.967 --> 0:10:33.767 forty eight hours. 0:10:34.367 --> 0:10:35.287 He's with me, so. 0:10:36.407 --> 0:10:40.767 Yeah, and we're gonna go full but full crazy. What 0:10:40.887 --> 0:10:42.087 you want to do? What you want to do for 0:10:42.127 --> 0:10:42.527 the next. 0:10:42.407 --> 0:10:45.127 Forty eight hours, forty eight hours, Let's go out? Are 0:10:45.167 --> 0:10:45.487 we gonna? 0:10:45.567 --> 0:10:46.647 Let's just go get some girls. 0:10:46.687 --> 0:10:47.167 Let's going on. 0:10:47.287 --> 0:10:47.847 Some girls. 0:10:48.247 --> 0:10:50.167 May for my heart, That's what I'm talking about. 0:10:50.607 --> 0:10:54.127 The question that emerges have the actions of Coombs just 0:10:54.167 --> 0:10:57.687 been an open secret in Hollywood? Fans are reconsidering Biber's 0:10:57.727 --> 0:10:59.487 songs including Lonely. 0:10:59.967 --> 0:11:03.927 Everybody Saw Me Sick and a Fairly No one gave 0:11:04.047 --> 0:11:08.607 a shit The criticize the things I did as an idiot. 0:11:12.287 --> 0:11:14.007 What if you had it? 0:11:14.447 --> 0:11:16.407 That song is called Lonely. It came out in twenty 0:11:16.407 --> 0:11:20.047 twenty one. He would have been about twenty six twenty seven, 0:11:20.247 --> 0:11:20.647 and that's. 0:11:20.567 --> 0:11:23.407 About ten years after that video with him and did he? 0:11:24.247 --> 0:11:27.207 Then there are these lyrics from a song called Fuel 0:11:27.287 --> 0:11:27.887 by Eminem. 0:11:28.127 --> 0:11:33.247 I'm like so many essays. He didn't just fail the 0:11:33.247 --> 0:11:34.447 word rapper, really owed it? 0:11:34.847 --> 0:11:35.087 Did he? 0:11:35.407 --> 0:11:38.047 If you listen to the play on words there, it's 0:11:38.087 --> 0:11:41.447 removing the letter P which makes it raper. And then 0:11:41.487 --> 0:11:42.607 he says, did you remove the P? 0:11:43.047 --> 0:11:43.327 Did he? 0:11:43.927 --> 0:11:47.087 And so he says so many essays essays which is 0:11:47.127 --> 0:11:47.847 sexual assault? 0:11:48.007 --> 0:11:52.007 Oh wow, So it's being decoded, and then kesher. One 0:11:52.047 --> 0:11:54.967 of her first songs was called TikTok. This is how 0:11:55.007 --> 0:12:00.127 it started. Wake up in the morning feeling like piz glasses. 0:12:00.487 --> 0:12:03.447 And last week she was lip syncing on TikTok the 0:12:03.527 --> 0:12:07.407 app which is confusing, and she maled the lyrics to 0:12:07.847 --> 0:12:10.207 the new version which has been released yet, but you 0:12:10.287 --> 0:12:13.007 can hear how she has changed the lyrics wake up 0:12:13.047 --> 0:12:16.807 in the morning like some pins in and grabma glasses. 0:12:17.887 --> 0:12:19.927 So the two things that spring to mind for me, 0:12:20.087 --> 0:12:24.847 the comparisons are Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein. Yes, and 0:12:24.967 --> 0:12:29.527 both of those were seen to be open secrets in Hollywood, 0:12:29.687 --> 0:12:32.367 well not as open as this, because at least they 0:12:32.407 --> 0:12:36.407 sort of semi went on behind closed doors. But Harvey 0:12:36.407 --> 0:12:41.527 Weinstein acted like alone in rooms with women, whereas Jeffrey 0:12:41.567 --> 0:12:45.487 Epstein seemed to be more the p ditty model and 0:12:46.447 --> 0:12:50.527 not co opted but invited other men in to either 0:12:50.567 --> 0:12:54.687 witness or participate in these heinous situations, which and then 0:12:54.687 --> 0:12:58.407 requitted it. Yes, so that didn't end very well for him. 0:12:58.247 --> 0:12:59.087 Did it so end? 0:12:59.287 --> 0:12:59.487 No? 0:12:59.647 --> 0:13:02.007 And the difference This New York Times article that I 0:13:02.047 --> 0:13:05.287 read talked about the difference between the music industry and 0:13:05.327 --> 0:13:08.607 Harvey Weinstein, because why is it that, you know, Hollywood 0:13:08.687 --> 0:13:12.287 had this reckoning and we seem to pay attention to it. 0:13:12.327 --> 0:13:13.887 I mean, it feels like it's been wound back now 0:13:13.887 --> 0:13:16.967 with what's happening with Harvey Weinstein in court. But the 0:13:17.087 --> 0:13:21.887 big difference with the entertainment MeToo movement was that it 0:13:21.967 --> 0:13:25.807 only got traction when Harvey Weinstein's victims were famous, So 0:13:25.887 --> 0:13:29.447 you needed it to be famous actresses or famous TV personality, 0:13:29.567 --> 0:13:32.807 people with power, people with power, but with a lot 0:13:32.807 --> 0:13:35.207 of the people who have come out against people in 0:13:35.247 --> 0:13:37.087 the music industry, and this has been happening for a 0:13:37.087 --> 0:13:39.367 really long time. They're not famous enough, and so it 0:13:39.407 --> 0:13:41.847 doesn't get the traction it requires. 0:13:41.407 --> 0:13:44.207 Because it also wasn't just the fame, it was the volume. 0:13:44.487 --> 0:13:47.287 So it was there were a number of women who 0:13:47.327 --> 0:13:49.407 had to come and then the next wave came in. 0:13:49.447 --> 0:13:51.287 Then it was Gwynne and that's what Cassie did. 0:13:51.527 --> 0:13:53.967 Cassie Ventura, what she has done, that was a watershed 0:13:54.007 --> 0:13:56.167 moment because she's encouraged other women to come forward. 0:13:56.327 --> 0:14:00.087 But also the thing is that's tricky about this is 0:14:00.087 --> 0:14:03.687 that rock and roll, in like broad terms, has always 0:14:03.767 --> 0:14:07.167 been and is meant to be wild, right, wild is 0:14:07.287 --> 0:14:10.647 like it's such an euphemism now up from the sixties 0:14:10.687 --> 0:14:13.647 and from way before that. You know, that is kind 0:14:13.687 --> 0:14:16.927 of the idea. So the motivation for a lot of 0:14:16.927 --> 0:14:19.847 people to get into it, the idea of like the girls, 0:14:20.047 --> 0:14:22.567 the party, ex drugs, drugs, sex, drugs and rock and 0:14:22.647 --> 0:14:26.127 roll is literally in the brochure, right. So what's interesting 0:14:26.167 --> 0:14:30.687 about this is it isn't a secret that powerful people 0:14:31.607 --> 0:14:35.167 have long made people sign NDA's before they go into parties, 0:14:35.207 --> 0:14:37.247 taken their phones off them, made them promise not to 0:14:37.247 --> 0:14:39.727 say what happens in there, and the idea that it 0:14:39.887 --> 0:14:43.727 was seductive and exciting to get into that inner circle 0:14:43.967 --> 0:14:46.087 and go to a wild party if you're Choe Kardashian 0:14:46.167 --> 0:14:49.927 or whatever where people are naked, is probably very exciting, right. 0:14:50.007 --> 0:14:52.767 I have a problem with the idea that everyone whoever 0:14:53.127 --> 0:14:55.487 was invited to a P. Diddy party, which now their 0:14:55.487 --> 0:14:58.847 pictures are all plastered all over every tabloid site, knew 0:14:59.207 --> 0:15:01.767 of the level of abuse that was happening. I am 0:15:01.847 --> 0:15:05.487 almost certain, knowing the way that predators work, that that 0:15:05.687 --> 0:15:09.807 was kept to a relatively tight and very lock down 0:15:10.247 --> 0:15:11.047 group of people. 0:15:11.167 --> 0:15:11.327 Right. 0:15:11.407 --> 0:15:13.727 People who are talking about him and having the evidence 0:15:13.767 --> 0:15:17.247 are his security. They're people like his videographer who were 0:15:17.287 --> 0:15:20.847 complicit and being paid to be complicit in filming these events. 0:15:21.087 --> 0:15:23.047 I think it's probably a naive assumption to think that 0:15:23.167 --> 0:15:25.567 every did He party was that, do you know what 0:15:25.647 --> 0:15:25.927 I mean? 0:15:25.967 --> 0:15:26.967 I agree so. 0:15:27.127 --> 0:15:29.767 That you know everyone who's been photographed in a white 0:15:29.847 --> 0:15:31.887 dress at one of those parties, because one of the 0:15:31.887 --> 0:15:34.047 things that did he was very very good at in 0:15:34.087 --> 0:15:40.167 his ascendants was buying credibility and social status. So he 0:15:40.207 --> 0:15:42.287 went from very deliberately and this was part of his 0:15:42.767 --> 0:15:47.087 assent from being I'm a gangster. I beat people up 0:15:47.127 --> 0:15:49.927 with champagne bottles, which he also was convicted of doing. 0:15:50.047 --> 0:15:54.007 He's involved in shootings too. I'm playing golf with the Clintons, 0:15:54.367 --> 0:15:57.247 I'm mates with Martha Stewart. I'm in the Hamptons now, 0:15:57.327 --> 0:16:00.207 like the Hamptons is the white playground of the rich 0:16:00.247 --> 0:16:07.087 and powerful. So he was very clever at changing his story. 0:16:07.287 --> 0:16:08.887 Well, he hid in plain sight. And I mean, if 0:16:08.927 --> 0:16:11.447 you look at any marketing funnel, at the top of 0:16:11.487 --> 0:16:15.847 the funnel, you've got to have stuff that's so attractive 0:16:16.447 --> 0:16:19.527 that people you know will want to be around you, 0:16:19.687 --> 0:16:22.167 and so you've got the status of And for Harvey Weinstein, 0:16:22.207 --> 0:16:26.087 it was Gwyneth Paltrow, and so he used his proximity 0:16:26.087 --> 0:16:27.967 to Gwyneth Paltrow and that she was in his movies 0:16:28.287 --> 0:16:32.087 and even Rene's Elwigo, and he told other actresses, oh, 0:16:32.167 --> 0:16:35.327 they also slept with me, and so if you sleep 0:16:35.407 --> 0:16:37.327 with me, you too can be like that. And so 0:16:37.407 --> 0:16:40.087 for Diddy, it was like lots of people wanted to 0:16:40.127 --> 0:16:42.407 be in his orbit bees to Honey because it was 0:16:42.447 --> 0:16:43.167 the white party. 0:16:43.167 --> 0:16:44.167 And you're right, it was like. 0:16:44.247 --> 0:16:47.967 Leonardo and you could go to the party and it 0:16:48.047 --> 0:16:50.847 was like it seemed like he was the powerbroker in 0:16:50.887 --> 0:16:54.047 Hollywood and in the music industry. And then you're right, 0:16:54.087 --> 0:16:57.367 there was this darker underbelly that was more the inner sanctum, 0:16:57.367 --> 0:16:58.487 but so many people knew. 0:16:58.967 --> 0:17:01.447 The thing is about it that's depressing, and you've already 0:17:01.447 --> 0:17:04.407 touched on this Jesse, is that it just seems over 0:17:04.447 --> 0:17:06.567 and over that these stories are very powerful man can 0:17:06.607 --> 0:17:09.247 treat women in particular, although in this instance not only women. 0:17:09.287 --> 0:17:13.447 It seems from the stories with such horrific disregard and 0:17:13.527 --> 0:17:16.607 nobody gives a shit and for ages, they can dismiss 0:17:16.647 --> 0:17:19.847 it as gold digging. She's a drug addict, That's what 0:17:19.887 --> 0:17:21.647 he would say about Cassie, for you know, she's a 0:17:21.687 --> 0:17:23.767 drug addict. She is, of course she's going to say 0:17:23.767 --> 0:17:26.167 that they're all trying to bring me down. Everybody's just 0:17:26.167 --> 0:17:28.767 trying to tear me down. And because they're holding the power, 0:17:29.247 --> 0:17:30.527 they can get away with anything. 0:17:30.607 --> 0:17:34.887 This week also Muhammad al Fayed, who is the late 0:17:35.007 --> 0:17:38.287 father of Dodie al Fayed, who was Princess Diana's boyfriend 0:17:38.367 --> 0:17:42.127 and they were killed in nineteen ninety seven. He used 0:17:42.167 --> 0:17:44.447 to own harods and of course he was made famous 0:17:44.487 --> 0:17:48.527 once again through the crown recently, and only in the 0:17:48.607 --> 0:17:50.607 last week women have come forward. I think it's up 0:17:50.607 --> 0:17:52.887 to one hundred now who've come forward in a class 0:17:52.927 --> 0:17:57.207 action and said he also committed over many decades. He 0:17:57.287 --> 0:18:01.247 was notorious for committing rape sexual assaults on all of 0:18:01.287 --> 0:18:03.487 these women, and some of them have even contacted Mama 0:18:03.527 --> 0:18:05.367 Meir and said, yes, it was widely known. I worked 0:18:05.367 --> 0:18:08.567 at Harod's. It happened to me. And what's interesting to 0:18:08.607 --> 0:18:11.767 me is that he only died I think last year, 0:18:11.847 --> 0:18:15.007 and he was ninety four. And yet even through all 0:18:15.047 --> 0:18:16.887 of them, me too, through all of this stuff with 0:18:17.047 --> 0:18:19.727 Weinstein and then Epstein and all of these things that 0:18:19.767 --> 0:18:23.047 have happened, and you thought, this is the reckoning, right 0:18:23.087 --> 0:18:26.407 and all of these men, women were so scared because 0:18:26.407 --> 0:18:28.807 of the threats that were made against them. And again 0:18:28.847 --> 0:18:30.847 these women also had no power. They weren't famous women, 0:18:31.207 --> 0:18:33.647 which is no doubt why he prayed on them. It 0:18:33.687 --> 0:18:36.167 wasn't until he was dead that they felt safe enough 0:18:36.167 --> 0:18:37.567 to come out and speak. 0:18:37.647 --> 0:18:40.247 And often that there are others that there are one hundred. 0:18:40.407 --> 0:18:42.807 Yeah, people don't believe women. This is why. And I 0:18:42.847 --> 0:18:44.807 know that we can get a bit IROLLI some people 0:18:44.847 --> 0:18:47.087 can get a bit IROLLI about the believe women are there, 0:18:47.127 --> 0:18:50.047 but women are never believed. If there is a power 0:18:50.047 --> 0:18:52.327 and balance in this kind of situation, there never believe. 0:18:52.367 --> 0:18:55.287 They're dismissed, they're paid off, they are threatened, they're shut down. 0:18:55.887 --> 0:18:58.367 Like Cassie's story, we've talked about it on the show before, 0:18:58.487 --> 0:19:00.727 is terrifying about what happened to her. Well, even once 0:19:00.767 --> 0:19:03.407 she escaped did his circle she was, Oh, I'm going 0:19:03.447 --> 0:19:04.647 to interrupt you and say, I. 0:19:04.567 --> 0:19:07.047 Don't think it's just not women are believed. I think 0:19:07.087 --> 0:19:08.767 this is about a power and balance, and. 0:19:08.807 --> 0:19:13.807 I think these men choose victims that do not have power, 0:19:13.927 --> 0:19:16.087 but power. I think it's and so I don't think 0:19:16.087 --> 0:19:18.687 these women even get to the point where they can. 0:19:18.927 --> 0:19:21.647 You know, they're telling people. That's why it's an open secret. 0:19:21.727 --> 0:19:24.047 They're telling people. But I think this is what happened 0:19:24.047 --> 0:19:26.087 to me and those and they are being silenced. 0:19:26.127 --> 0:19:27.767 But the open secret. 0:19:27.967 --> 0:19:33.127 I do think that we will find out that celebrities 0:19:33.167 --> 0:19:36.447 at high profile people knew and fifty cent has a 0:19:36.567 --> 0:19:39.247 quote where he says some of them were involved talking 0:19:39.327 --> 0:19:42.367 about other celebrities at the parties and enjoyed themselves, so 0:19:42.567 --> 0:19:44.567