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Speaker 2: Mamma Mer acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia out loud. It's what women are actually talking

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Speaker 2: about on Wednesday, the twenty fifth of September, I'm Holly

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Speaker 2: Wayne Wright, I'm MEA Friedman, and.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 2: And on the show today, a very famous man is

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Speaker 2: in jail and celebrities are deleting their socials. Unpacking the

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Speaker 2: p Diddy allegations and their impact. Also a presidential candidate

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Speaker 2: nude photos, and a conversation about digital cheating. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: me as current obsession and you probably have well being

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Speaker 2: burned out and please pass the coffee, but first, Mia Friedman.

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Speaker 4: In case you missed it, a poor poor man has

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Speaker 4: gone viral after he simply sent a text message to

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Speaker 4: his fiancee. Twenty two year old Avery Beverly from Florida

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Speaker 4: shared a text message from her fiance aiden with the

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Speaker 4: Internet and it's gotten over nine hundred thousand views and

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Speaker 4: many many comments. The text message said, what time is

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Speaker 4: our wedding?

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Speaker 2: I loved the story.

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Speaker 4: I read it and went, oh what did he send goodness?

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Speaker 4: And then I'm like, okay, what's the rest of it

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Speaker 4: that he said?

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Speaker 1: That was it?

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Speaker 4: He just said what time is our wedding? And people

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Speaker 4: lost it. They said, my husband also asked this. My

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Speaker 4: husband asked this every single day of the week of

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Speaker 4: our wedding. Mine asked me to send the location the

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Speaker 4: day of.

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Speaker 1: And they're just on and on.

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Speaker 4: With these people, aghast that a man could ask what

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Speaker 4: time his wedding was. This was also two months before

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Speaker 4: his wedding. Now, if you'd have asked that even on

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Speaker 4: the day, even after the wedding had started, I would

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Speaker 4: not blame him. Why not?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 2: Because the reason all these women are mad like decoding

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Speaker 2: is because all the mental load of the wedding is

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Speaker 2: even be bothered to know what time it is.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's because men just aren't that interested.

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Speaker 4: And look, I empathize with men about weddings because I

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Speaker 4: am not that bride, I was not that bride.

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Speaker 2: I'm not interested in it's what time it starts. You're

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Speaker 2: gonna asking him like, could you tell me exactly what

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Speaker 2: shade you're time? Like, what time it starts.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a very sensible question. He doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to be late.

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Speaker 3: Leave the guy alone, Jesse, Oh no, no, no.

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Speaker 5: The reason why the first is the mental load that

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Speaker 5: she's doing everything. And again it's not even in your

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Speaker 5: bloody diary to go. It's an event that I have

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Speaker 5: to attend and be on time for. I think the

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Speaker 5: other point of irritation is that as a bride, you

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Speaker 5: have to know what time it starts, because women have

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Speaker 5: to do the most complicated equation, that complicated math. No,

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Speaker 5: it's not because no, no, no, because you know that it's

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Speaker 5: going to start at three, and so you go, all right,

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Speaker 5: then I've got to start my makeup at three thirty

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Speaker 5: am so that the hair can get here at five.

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Speaker 5: And did a day do it? And a matter off

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Speaker 5: playing golf. Even if you do it yourself, your actual

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Speaker 5: wedding day for a woman is so stressful and packed,

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Speaker 5: whereas men are, like, if it starts at three, I

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Speaker 4: On your wedding day, all the guys were at my

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Speaker 1: And also you had your.

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Speaker 4: Best lady with gastro so it was quite the drama

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Speaker 4: and ivy fluids over at yours. But look, it is

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Speaker 4: beauty standards and all of those kinds of things. But

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Speaker 4: I just I'm going to side with Holly on this

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Speaker 4: one and say the whole wedding industrial complex it's just

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Speaker 4: six months out, two years out, knock yourself out. But

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Speaker 4: then don't be all like this is.

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Speaker 1: So hard, my life is so hard.

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Speaker 5: He does nothing, but I thought, not just brides deciding

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Speaker 2: To be clear, I'm with you on everything you said

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Speaker 4: But it's about the marriage hole, not the wedding, of

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Speaker 4: course it is. I think you've still got the day.

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Speaker 2: Oh my superficial, But it's not superficial to know what

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Speaker 4: Turn I don't know what time to turn up at anything.

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Speaker 4: But also when you're a main character in an event,

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Speaker 4: you often don't get an invitation.

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Speaker 1: This is a little loophole.

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Speaker 4: Like I found at your one of your events, your wedding,

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Speaker 4: your engagement party, I didn't get an invitation.

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Speaker 3: So I think you sent the invitations.

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Speaker 4: Saying I don't know what time it is. I didn't

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Speaker 4: I didn't.

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Speaker 5: I actually just didn't want to invite you.

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Speaker 2: So she was like, I suppose she's going to come.

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Speaker 5: Last week, Sean Combs, also known as Diddy or p Diddy,

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Speaker 5: one of the wealthiest musical artists of all time, was arrested.

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Speaker 5: He has been charged with sex trafficking and racketeering, so

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Speaker 5: running a criminal and prize centering on abusing women by

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Speaker 5: using bribery, arson, kidnapping, and threats of violence to intimidate

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Speaker 5: come forward with allegations of rape, he has pleaded not guilty.

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Speaker 5: Now you might remember earlier this year we talked about

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Speaker 5: the Cassie Ventura allegations, which Coombs originally denied until a

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Speaker 5: video surfaced of the rapper physically assaulting his former girlfriend

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Speaker 5: at a hotel in la It's hard to even imagine this,

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Speaker 5: but only a year ago, Coombs was seen as an

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Speaker 5: industry visionary. He was afforded an enormous amount of respect,

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Speaker 5: and we, it seems, are only beginning to scratch the

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Speaker 5: surface of some of his alleged crimes. The allegations that

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Speaker 5: they potentially implicate dozens of celebrities, and this has The

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Speaker 5: New York Times asking is the music world's me too movement? Finally,

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Speaker 5: here in the legal papers submitted as part of the lawsuit,

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Speaker 5: there are references says to freak off parties that's a quote,

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Speaker 5: which were elaborate and produced sex performances that Combs arranged

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Speaker 5: and electronically recorded. The papers allege these free coughs lasted

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Speaker 5: A Department of Homeland Security agent says they have evidence

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Speaker 5: that the women did not feel free to go and

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Speaker 5: video evidence shows that some are I quote, clearly out

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Speaker 4: And he's alleged to have flown in male porn stars

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Speaker 4: I believe included Cassie Ventura. I mean, what I can't

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Speaker 4: understand is how after that video was released he was

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Speaker 4: except it is who you are, buddy. That's you beating

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Speaker 4: God knows what you did in private. But when his

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Speaker 4: a visionary? He's many things, he's not perfect, but he's

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Speaker 4: not a criminal.

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Speaker 3: It's like, but you are, We saw that we are.

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Speaker 2: The evidence.

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Speaker 5: Court documents claim that Coombs has recordings of several celebrities, artists,

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Speaker 5: music label executives, and athletes engaging in a legal activity.

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Speaker 5: These individuals were recorded without their knowledge and consent. This

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Speaker 5: has led to images of Kumbs's parties being splashed over

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Speaker 4: So not sex parties that he used to have these

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Speaker 2: I think one of the things that's important to understand

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Speaker 2: or partaking in these parties. I think there are like

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Speaker 5: And levels of knowledge, because what's being uncovered now is

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Speaker 5: how much of kind of how Wild Coombs's parties were

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Speaker 5: was an open secret in Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: People just knew it.

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Speaker 5: It's been referred to in popular culture for more than

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Speaker 5: twenty years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but what does wild mean exactly?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, which brings us to a clip from Keeping Up

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Speaker 5: with the Kardashians from twenty fourteen where Chloe said.

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Speaker 2: This, so, who was with you this weekend? A bunch

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Speaker 2: of my friends, Didy, Quincy, justin Bieber.

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Speaker 1: So far as Montana.

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Speaker 2: You know half the people you're naming?

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Speaker 3: No, she didn't go to bed.

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Speaker 2: I opened a bed yet you haven't.

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Speaker 3: I want to be Chloe.

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Speaker 1: When I grew up Court, I got on a.

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Speaker 2: Plane at five thirty am.

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Speaker 4: Well, this party, I think half the people there were

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Speaker 5: Justin Bieber, who was twenty at the time of Chloe's comments,

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Speaker 5: many publications reappraising his relationship with Coombs, who is also

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Speaker 5: was discovered by Usher, who was very close to Sean kuhmbs.

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Speaker 5: But there's reports that suggest that Coombs could be worth.

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Speaker 3: One billion dollars.

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Speaker 5: Like the network that holds up this man and the

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Speaker 2: But it's also important to note that Diddy is a

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Speaker 2: mogul of the sort that it's not all about music,

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Speaker 2: so it's clothes like he has a ven diagram the

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Speaker 2: intersex between. He was one of the era of rap

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Speaker 2: artists who came up in a very tumultuous time, right,

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Speaker 2: we'd probably all remember him being arrested with Jennifer Lopez

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Speaker 2: and then sort of transformed into a billionaire mogul, and

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Speaker 2: that involved his Sean John clothing label. He also became

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Speaker 2: a TV producer, So the reason that his parties could

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Speaker 2: attract everybody was his spheres of influence were very intersected.

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Speaker 2: There's music, there's fashion, there's TV and movies, so it's

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Speaker 2: all of it together, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: And in light of the new allegations, watching his relationship

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Speaker 5: with a very very young Justin Bieber is making people uncomfortable.

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Speaker 5: So there's a two thousand and nine YouTube video that

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Speaker 5: is resurfaced with this exchange where we.

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Speaker 6: Hanging out and what we're doing, we can't really disclose.

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Speaker 6: It's definitely a fifteen year old's dream for the next

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Speaker 6: forty eight hours.

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Speaker 7: He's with me, so.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and we're gonna go full but full crazy. What

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Speaker 6: you want to do? What you want to do for

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Speaker 6: the next.

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Speaker 7: Forty eight hours, forty eight hours, Let's go out? Are

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Speaker 7: we gonna?

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Speaker 2: Let's just go get some girls.

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Speaker 1: Let's going on.

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Speaker 7: Some girls.

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Speaker 6: May for my heart, That's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 5: The question that emerges have the actions of Coombs just

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Speaker 5: been an open secret in Hollywood? Fans are reconsidering Biber's

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Speaker 3: That song is called Lonely. It came out in twenty

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Speaker 4: So the two things that spring to mind for me,

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: People who are talking about him and having the evidence

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Speaker 2: That you know everyone who's been photographed in a white

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Speaker 4: Well, he hid in plain sight. And I mean, if

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Speaker 4: This week also Muhammad al Fayed, who is the late

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Speaker 3: And often that there are others that there are one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people don't believe women. This is why. And I

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Speaker 2: They're dismissed, they're paid off, they are threatened, they're shut down.

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Speaker 2: You know, they're telling people. That's why it's an open secret.

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Speaker 1: But what do you think they should say?

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Speaker 5: There's two things at play, right. One is celebrities coming

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Speaker 3: Right. There's also no one putting their hand up defending him.

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Speaker 4: And that's very deliberate, which is exactly what Epstein did

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Speaker 5: Even just before we came into this record, I found

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Speaker 5: and you have to lock the doors because otherwise the

441
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Speaker 5: women will leave.

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Speaker 3: That was on Conan O'Brien.

443
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Speaker 2: And that's the culture that people were like, Well, that's

444
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Speaker 2: what wild is. That's what a wild party is.

445
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Speaker 5: And what I think is probably just worth acknowledging is

446
00:21:38,567 --> 00:21:41,607
Speaker 5: the proximity that people like this have to children. And

447
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Speaker 5: I know that we've seen this with recently. We talked

448
00:21:44,207 --> 00:21:48,167
Speaker 5: about Nickelodeon, the producers there the preyed on children. But

449
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Speaker 5: I just look at Justin Bieber, and I look at

450
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Speaker 5: all the issues with a lot of people who came up,

451
00:21:52,207 --> 00:21:56,767
Speaker 5: but someone having parties like that, having legal guardianship of

452
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Speaker 5: Justin Bieber for forty eight hours, which is some legal

453
00:21:58,927 --> 00:22:02,847
Speaker 5: loophole I don't fully understand. But he had Justin Bieber

454
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Speaker 5: like privately in his home for an extended period of time.

455
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Speaker 2: The child, and then we wonder why he appears to

456
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Speaker 2: be so damaged.

457
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Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, mother me Hello.

458
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Speaker 4: One of the biggest stories in the media this week

459
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Speaker 4: is like a Venn diagram of some of my key

460
00:22:31,327 --> 00:22:34,927
Speaker 4: areas of interest media, gossip, us, politics, the.

461
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Speaker 1: Kennedy family, and Hollywood. Let me begin.

462
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Speaker 4: A high profile journalist for New York magazine called Olivia Nuzzy,

463
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Speaker 4: who's thirty one, has been suspended from her job this

464
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Speaker 4: week after her boss discovered she'd been having an inappropriate

465
00:22:49,527 --> 00:22:53,687
Speaker 4: romantic relationship with seventy year old Robert Kennedy Junior, who,

466
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Speaker 4: until a couple of months ago, you may remember was

467
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Speaker 4: running for president, but he's now backing Donald Trump. He's

468
00:23:00,047 --> 00:23:03,687
Speaker 4: quite the character. He's an anti vax crusader. He has

469
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Speaker 4: had some very strange incidents come to the fall, recently

470
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Speaker 4: about burying a baby bear cub carcass in Central Park,

471
00:23:12,847 --> 00:23:15,087
Speaker 4: also cutting off the head of a dead whale and

472
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Speaker 4: carrying it home on the top of his.

473
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Speaker 2: Car, and having a worm in his brain.

474
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Speaker 4: And having a brainworm that he says ate his brain,

475
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Speaker 4: which might explain a lot. He is also described as

476
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Speaker 4: a professional philanderer according to Friends Good Friends, and he's

477
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Speaker 4: had three wives, the current one being actress and comedian

478
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Speaker 4: Cheryl Hines, who you may know Curb your enthusias your enthusiasm.

479
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Speaker 4: He also has six kids by his three wives, one

480
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Speaker 4: of whom is Kit Kennedy, who was rumored to be

481
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Speaker 4: dating Ben Affleck after he split from.

482
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Speaker 1: J Low a couple of weeks ago.

483
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Speaker 5: So this Kennedy that we're talking about, Yes, every time

484
00:23:48,127 --> 00:23:50,447
Speaker 5: we talk about him, I need a reminder of how

485
00:23:50,487 --> 00:23:51,727
Speaker 5: he is related to JFK.

486
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Speaker 4: His nephew, got it. So this Kennedy, Robert Kennedy Junior,

487
00:23:56,887 --> 00:23:59,807
Speaker 4: his dad. It's confusing that they've all got the same names.

488
00:24:00,447 --> 00:24:03,407
Speaker 4: It's a very waspy, rich people thing where you name

489
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Speaker 4: are your children the same thing. So his father was

490
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Speaker 4: also Robert Kennedy, and he was assassinated a little while

491
00:24:09,087 --> 00:24:12,607
Speaker 4: after JFK with JFK's brother and he was assassinated. So

492
00:24:12,647 --> 00:24:18,367
Speaker 4: he basically was about eight or ten when his uncle

493
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Speaker 4: and then his father were assassinated. And he has become

494
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Speaker 4: a proponent of all the conspiracy theories that it was

495
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Speaker 4: an inside job and that it was the CIA, and

496
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Speaker 4: he's sort of been disowned. He's got ten siblings and

497
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Speaker 4: he's been disowned by a lot of them. They put

498
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Speaker 4: out a statement basically saying we don't support him when

499
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Speaker 4: he's not our guy. Does everyone need a moment to

500
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Speaker 4: take all that in? What we are going to discuss

501
00:24:42,167 --> 00:24:46,727
Speaker 4: today is the sexting, because because.

502
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Speaker 5: I was going to say those niche interesst areas not

503
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Speaker 5: my niche interrest areas. This story, love it, love it.

504
00:24:52,687 --> 00:24:55,287
Speaker 5: I have been going deep. I can confirm it is interesting.

505
00:24:55,567 --> 00:24:56,927
Speaker 5: It is interesting.

506
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Speaker 4: Because essentially what happened is that Nazzi, who's she's made

507
00:25:00,567 --> 00:25:04,247
Speaker 4: a big name for herself as New York Magazine's Washington reporter.

508
00:25:04,567 --> 00:25:08,287
Speaker 4: She's got a reputation for these deep insider profiles that

509
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Speaker 4: she does. She gets great acts to some really prominent

510
00:25:10,847 --> 00:25:13,127
Speaker 4: figures in American politics. I love her writing. I really

511
00:25:13,207 --> 00:25:14,047
Speaker 4: like her profiles.

512
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Speaker 1: Just this month, she did a big.

513
00:25:15,967 --> 00:25:19,167
Speaker 4: Profile of Trump after the first assassination attempt, and she

514
00:25:19,287 --> 00:25:21,447
Speaker 4: took a close look at his ear and wrote an

515
00:25:21,487 --> 00:25:25,207
Speaker 4: early interesting cover story about that. But last November, again,

516
00:25:25,247 --> 00:25:28,047
Speaker 4: as part of her job, she interviewed Kennedy and she

517
00:25:28,167 --> 00:25:32,327
Speaker 4: flew to his compound wherever, and even though it wasn't

518
00:25:32,327 --> 00:25:34,847
Speaker 4: a very flattering profile that she wrote, she wrote about

519
00:25:34,887 --> 00:25:37,367
Speaker 4: how he took her in this big car where all

520
00:25:37,407 --> 00:25:39,447
Speaker 4: his dogs are, and the smell was so overpowering she

521
00:25:39,487 --> 00:25:41,247
Speaker 4: thought she was going to pass out. And then they

522
00:25:41,287 --> 00:25:43,367
Speaker 4: went for a hike together and he just kept stopping

523
00:25:43,367 --> 00:25:45,967
Speaker 4: to pick up these mountains of poo that all his

524
00:25:46,087 --> 00:25:49,447
Speaker 4: dogs were doing on the trail, and like he's quite

525
00:25:49,447 --> 00:25:50,487
Speaker 4: the eccentric character.

526
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Speaker 1: But they obviously hit it off because they stayed in

527
00:25:52,927 --> 00:25:54,887
Speaker 1: touch and started sexting. Essentially.

528
00:25:55,207 --> 00:25:58,247
Speaker 4: The story broke last week and everyone involved quickly called

529
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Speaker 4: crisis PR people and issued statements, which included New York

530
00:26:02,567 --> 00:26:06,727
Speaker 4: Magazine a note to our readers. Recently, our Washington correspondent

531
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Speaker 4: Olivia Nuzzy acknowledged to the magazine's editors that she had

532
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Speaker 4: engaged in a personal relationship with a former subject relevant

533
00:26:12,847 --> 00:26:15,687
Speaker 4: to the twenty twenty four campaign while she was reporting

534
00:26:15,727 --> 00:26:19,287
Speaker 4: on the campaign. Had the magazine been aware of this relationship,

535
00:26:19,327 --> 00:26:22,007
Speaker 4: she would not have continued to cover the presidential campaign.

536
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Speaker 4: She's currently on leave while we conduct an inquiry.

537
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Speaker 3: To be clear. Yeah, she'd already filed the profile.

538
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Speaker 2: The ethics of it are interesting. Yeah, journalists and politicians

539
00:26:32,007 --> 00:26:35,727
Speaker 2: have had affairs before. Blanche del Puge went to interview

540
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Speaker 2: Bob Hawk, and that's how their affair began.

541
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Speaker 1: And for the age, and this.

542
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Speaker 3: Is the thing, it wasn't a flattering profile.

543
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Speaker 5: That was not an interesting flirting because that profile was

544
00:26:46,407 --> 00:26:48,887
Speaker 5: not what what I'm sure he would want her to

545
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Speaker 5: have written.

546
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Speaker 4: Or She released a statement next saying, some communication between

547
00:26:53,567 --> 00:26:56,567
Speaker 4: myself and a former reporting subject turned personal.

548
00:26:56,287 --> 00:26:57,007
Speaker 1: Earlier this year.

549
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Speaker 4: During that time, I did not directly report on the

550
00:26:59,687 --> 00:27:02,927
Speaker 4: subject nor use them as a source. The relationship was

551
00:27:02,927 --> 00:27:05,567
Speaker 4: never physical, but should have been disclosed to prevent the

552
00:27:05,567 --> 00:27:08,767
Speaker 4: appearance of a conflict. I deeply regret not doing so

553
00:27:09,247 --> 00:27:13,167
Speaker 4: and apologize to all those I've disappointed. Then his representative

554
00:27:13,527 --> 00:27:14,727
Speaker 4: released this cracker of.

555
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Speaker 3: A starle I have one hundred things to say about

556
00:27:16,607 --> 00:27:17,087
Speaker 3: this statement.

557
00:27:17,207 --> 00:27:19,807
Speaker 4: Mister Kennedy only met Olivia Nuzzy once in his life

558
00:27:19,807 --> 00:27:22,647
Speaker 4: for an interview she requested, which yielded a hit piece.

559
00:27:23,647 --> 00:27:25,167
Speaker 2: He didn't like the interview.

560
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Speaker 1: The dog Pooh was too much.

561
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Speaker 4: So what's interesting is that he's also his camp have

562
00:27:29,527 --> 00:27:33,087
Speaker 4: been briefing journals off the record and told Puck News

563
00:27:33,687 --> 00:27:38,127
Speaker 4: that she sent some demure nude photos to him and

564
00:27:38,167 --> 00:27:40,927
Speaker 4: that the relationship was once sided, with some friends of

565
00:27:40,967 --> 00:27:45,367
Speaker 4: the former candidate believing she set him up. She was

566
00:27:45,407 --> 00:27:46,327
Speaker 4: a bit stalkery.

567
00:27:46,487 --> 00:27:48,367
Speaker 5: Well shit, this is what I've heard. I've heard she

568
00:27:48,487 --> 00:27:51,927
Speaker 5: targeted him pretty hard. Bobby was blocking her continually.

569
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Speaker 1: It was a little too snary.

570
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Speaker 3: She was obsessed with him. I think she's still so

571
00:27:56,487 --> 00:27:58,527
Speaker 3: much from a blow.

572
00:27:58,847 --> 00:28:02,287
Speaker 5: Is a man who I found a headlined about how

573
00:28:02,327 --> 00:28:04,767
Speaker 5: with his first wife she found a list of forty

574
00:28:04,767 --> 00:28:07,607
Speaker 5: three mistresses on his phone. He only knows how to

575
00:28:07,687 --> 00:28:11,447
Speaker 5: cheat on women, his flood with other women while standing

576
00:28:11,487 --> 00:28:15,327
Speaker 5: next to his wife. We truly believe that this thirty

577
00:28:15,367 --> 00:28:18,647
Speaker 5: one year old woman was just bombarding him with sexy

578
00:28:18,687 --> 00:28:21,087
Speaker 5: images while he tried to look away and delete them.

579
00:28:21,327 --> 00:28:23,207
Speaker 1: Well, she did certain news.

580
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Speaker 4: And what's interesting is that you know she was also

581
00:28:26,607 --> 00:28:31,447
Speaker 4: engaged until now to another high profile political reporter in

582
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Speaker 4: the US, guy called Ryan Lizza, who had his own

583
00:28:34,407 --> 00:28:40,207
Speaker 4: me too scandal and got lovely It's lovely weave. Cheryl

584
00:28:40,287 --> 00:28:43,447
Speaker 4: Hines has not yet released a statement. She's in I

585
00:28:43,447 --> 00:28:46,687
Speaker 4: think Paris with her daughters and also one of his daughters,

586
00:28:47,127 --> 00:28:52,207
Speaker 4: celebrating her birthday. The question is is digital cheating? And

587
00:28:52,287 --> 00:28:55,007
Speaker 4: there has never been a more unsettling term. I don't

588
00:28:55,007 --> 00:28:57,687
Speaker 4: think that I'm issued on this podcast. I think we

589
00:28:57,767 --> 00:28:59,807
Speaker 4: need to maybe rephrase it. I don't know what you

590
00:28:59,847 --> 00:29:03,487
Speaker 4: call it. Emotional cheating, digital cheating, basically no touching yep,

591
00:29:03,647 --> 00:29:07,807
Speaker 4: but still nuds. Is it actually a deal breaker? What

592
00:29:07,927 --> 00:29:09,207
Speaker 4: is Cheryl Hines going to do now?

593
00:29:09,407 --> 00:29:11,967
Speaker 5: Okay, because this is what I'm interested in. It is

594
00:29:12,047 --> 00:29:15,527
Speaker 5: definitely a deal breaker for the party sending them, Right,

595
00:29:15,567 --> 00:29:17,727
Speaker 5: So I discovered that my partner has been sending news

596
00:29:17,727 --> 00:29:20,647
Speaker 5: to someone else. Yes, that is absolutely cheating. What I

597
00:29:20,687 --> 00:29:24,647
Speaker 5: find interesting is the denial of the party who received them.

598
00:29:24,727 --> 00:29:27,047
Speaker 1: Yeah, what if your partner just received yes?

599
00:29:27,247 --> 00:29:29,207
Speaker 3: And this is the thing, is that Paul bothers his

600
00:29:29,287 --> 00:29:32,287
Speaker 3: will was trying to block her, but then apparently the

601
00:29:32,327 --> 00:29:35,687
Speaker 3: images were becoming I quote increasingly pornographic, and so he

602
00:29:35,727 --> 00:29:39,527
Speaker 3: did unblock them to see.

603
00:29:38,487 --> 00:29:41,607
Speaker 2: So is he So no one has managed to prove

604
00:29:41,647 --> 00:29:43,247
Speaker 2: whether or not he reciprocated.

605
00:29:43,487 --> 00:29:46,607
Speaker 5: Oh God, I hope. Sorry, yeah, I hope.

606
00:29:46,647 --> 00:29:50,487
Speaker 2: So he has plausible deniability in his This was a

607
00:29:50,567 --> 00:29:51,927
Speaker 2: very one sided situation.

608
00:29:52,407 --> 00:29:54,127
Speaker 4: Look, I think the deal breaker for me would have

609
00:29:54,167 --> 00:29:57,887
Speaker 4: been just Robert Kennedy Junior himself, I mean everything from

610
00:29:57,927 --> 00:30:01,047
Speaker 4: his He's an interesting cat in that he started as

611
00:30:01,047 --> 00:30:04,447
Speaker 4: an environmentalist and got quite a lot of celebrity friends

612
00:30:04,487 --> 00:30:08,367
Speaker 4: that way, but then he kind of pivoted to being

613
00:30:08,367 --> 00:30:09,207
Speaker 4: an anti vaxxer.

614
00:30:09,407 --> 00:30:10,327
Speaker 1: This is way before.

615
00:30:10,167 --> 00:30:11,967
Speaker 2: COVID and recovered drug addict, isn't he.

616
00:30:12,087 --> 00:30:16,807
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's also complicated guy storied life.

617
00:30:16,847 --> 00:30:18,047
Speaker 3: Back on the nudes.

618
00:30:18,447 --> 00:30:21,127
Speaker 5: Do you know anyone in your own lives who sent

619
00:30:21,167 --> 00:30:25,287
Speaker 5: an unsolicited nude to a man who hasn't asked for

620
00:30:25,367 --> 00:30:28,327
Speaker 5: one who doesn't want one? Do you honestly think like

621
00:30:28,367 --> 00:30:30,527
Speaker 5: you're you mean as a woman, as a woman, as

622
00:30:30,567 --> 00:30:30,927
Speaker 5: a woman.

623
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Speaker 3: I just we love this trope.

624
00:30:33,047 --> 00:30:37,887
Speaker 5: Of the mad, obsessed, stalkery young woman coming onto the

625
00:30:37,927 --> 00:30:40,007
Speaker 5: older guy, and she won't stop, and she's trying to

626
00:30:40,127 --> 00:30:40,887
Speaker 5: use her body.

627
00:30:40,927 --> 00:30:43,287
Speaker 2: We know what he was saying in response, exactly right.

628
00:30:45,447 --> 00:30:46,527
Speaker 1: Because she's not leaking.

629
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Speaker 4: I think from this you can see his camp's leaking

630
00:30:48,567 --> 00:30:49,647
Speaker 4: and trying to smear her.

631
00:30:50,447 --> 00:30:51,327
Speaker 1: She's not leaking.

632
00:30:51,567 --> 00:30:55,287
Speaker 4: So her friends are saying, well, no, that's not true.

633
00:30:55,487 --> 00:30:58,447
Speaker 4: It wasn't one sided, it was two sided, and she

634
00:30:58,567 --> 00:31:03,047
Speaker 4: regrets it. The other question is who leaked this, And

635
00:31:03,087 --> 00:31:07,007
Speaker 4: it's been reported also that he was bragging about it, right,

636
00:31:07,407 --> 00:31:09,447
Speaker 4: and then also the fact that he backed Trump, which

637
00:31:09,567 --> 00:31:13,087
Speaker 4: is bizarre because Trump is the worst candidate in terms

638
00:31:13,127 --> 00:31:15,887
Speaker 4: of the environment as well as everything else. So Cheryl

639
00:31:15,927 --> 00:31:20,207
Speaker 4: Hines interestingly has copped a lot of pressure in Hollywood

640
00:31:20,207 --> 00:31:23,807
Speaker 4: for who she's married to, and she has sort of

641
00:31:24,167 --> 00:31:27,087
Speaker 4: said because he's done things like compared vaccines to the Holocaust,

642
00:31:27,207 --> 00:31:30,207
Speaker 4: and she's had to release a statement saying what he

643
00:31:30,287 --> 00:31:34,567
Speaker 4: said was appalling, and it's been complicated. There's clearly been

644
00:31:34,567 --> 00:31:35,247
Speaker 4: a lot of tension.

645
00:31:35,447 --> 00:31:37,007
Speaker 3: Surely this will end their marriage.

646
00:31:37,367 --> 00:31:39,527
Speaker 4: Well, I would be lately, this is it, This is

647
00:31:39,567 --> 00:31:40,207
Speaker 4: the final straw.

648
00:31:40,247 --> 00:31:41,287
Speaker 1: Why would you hang around?

649
00:31:41,327 --> 00:31:41,407
Speaker 4: So?

650
00:31:41,527 --> 00:31:45,687
Speaker 2: Digital cheating is cheating. So if that is your deal breaker,

651
00:31:46,047 --> 00:31:47,447
Speaker 2: you know, because some people would be like, well, maybe

652
00:31:47,487 --> 00:31:49,767
Speaker 2: they've got an open relationship maybe, and she'd just be like,

653
00:31:49,807 --> 00:31:52,447
Speaker 2: silly boy, you're an idiot. That's fine. And if you're

654
00:31:52,447 --> 00:31:54,687
Speaker 2: not that bothered about infidelity, whatever, but if you are,

655
00:31:55,007 --> 00:31:57,887
Speaker 2: like if they are supposed to be in a monogamous relationship,

656
00:31:58,367 --> 00:32:00,807
Speaker 2: digital cheating is cheating, no question right.

657
00:32:00,727 --> 00:32:01,487
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question.

658
00:32:01,567 --> 00:32:01,767
Speaker 2: Yeah.

659
00:32:01,767 --> 00:32:04,847
Speaker 4: His second wife took her life during their divorce and

660
00:32:05,127 --> 00:32:08,887
Speaker 4: he absolutely also smeared her like.

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Speaker 2: One of beals worst people. So it doesn't surprise me

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Speaker 2: that he's pals these days with Donald Trump because feather,

663
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Speaker 2: et cetera. So it is definitely cheating. Should she leave him,

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Speaker 2: that's obviously up to her. It's very hard to imagine

665
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Speaker 2: that she's prepared to weather this storm. Mat What does

666
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Speaker 2: Olivia do from here unless he is, well, I feel

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Speaker 2: it's sorry for Livia.

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Speaker 4: Don too.

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Speaker 2: I feel sorry for Olivia because she is undergoing right now,

670
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Speaker 2: a public shaming and a public slot shaming of epic proportions.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're sitting on the other side of the

672
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Speaker 2: world talking about who she's sending nudes to. I get

673
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Speaker 2: that it's ethically questionable. I get that New York mag

674
00:32:44,527 --> 00:32:46,927
Speaker 2: had to say we had to suspend her, but as

675
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Speaker 2: Jesse's already said, the piece was out. You know, I

676
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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 1: She's very good at her job.

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Speaker 2: I don't want her to leap over. So I think

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Speaker 2: it's different if you're in the camera press gallery, for example,

680
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Speaker 2: and you're having an ongoing relationship with a politician and

681
00:33:01,927 --> 00:33:06,287
Speaker 2: consistently covering them and riding glowing pieces about them, massive

682
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Speaker 2: conflict of introes.

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Speaker 1: But she's a political.

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Speaker 4: Reporter who's well sourced in the Trump camp. He's a

685
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Speaker 4: backer of Trump, as surrogate of Trump, is angling for

686
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Speaker 4: a place as the health minister or the minister.

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Speaker 2: For Trump's apparently offered him a job, right.

688
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Speaker 4: I don't think anymore, because Trump doesn't like anyone who

689
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Speaker 4: pulls focus and doesn't like anything negative.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great. It's not the most ethical of behavior.

691
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Speaker 2: But she is definitely undergoing a great slut shaming right now,

692
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Speaker 2: and I do kind of feel sorry for her about that.

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Speaker 2: I think she'll survive it. I think she will. I

694
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Speaker 2: think this is a sophisticated group of people who are

695
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm talking about Washington reporters, and I think

696
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Speaker 2: they're they're unlikely to throw her out on a puritanical point,

697
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Speaker 2: but she has certainly her reputation will struggle to recover.

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Speaker 4: She might have to pivot at this point and become

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Speaker 4: a commentator on Fox News.

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Speaker 2: Do you have well being burnout? Because apparently forty five

705
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Speaker 2: percent of us STEW and more Australians than anywhere else

706
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Speaker 2: in the world, which is interesting. Don't know what I'm

707
00:34:28,367 --> 00:34:31,047
Speaker 2: talking about. Here are some of the symptoms. You feel

708
00:34:31,087 --> 00:34:34,047
Speaker 2: the pressure to project a vision of being well all

709
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Speaker 2: the time, even if you don't really feel it. You're

710
00:34:36,647 --> 00:34:39,327
Speaker 2: confused and overwhelmed about what is healthy now and what

711
00:34:39,447 --> 00:34:41,847
Speaker 2: is not a complex carbs Okay, is the granola on

712
00:34:41,887 --> 00:34:45,167
Speaker 2: top of your protein rich yogurt counteracting its benefits? Is

713
00:34:45,207 --> 00:34:46,367
Speaker 2: coffee the devil, etc.

714
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Speaker 7: Etc.

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Speaker 2: You're not sure if you should be trying to cold

716
00:34:49,887 --> 00:34:52,247
Speaker 2: plunge in an actual tank of icy water or if

717
00:34:52,287 --> 00:34:54,327
Speaker 2: the cold tap on the shower will do, and whether

718
00:34:54,367 --> 00:34:56,527
Speaker 2: the sauna needs to be infrared to count and whether

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00:34:56,527 --> 00:34:58,927
Speaker 2: the meditation should be eyes open or eyes closed? And

720
00:34:58,967 --> 00:35:01,367
Speaker 2: really did any of this happen if you didn't post

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Speaker 2: about it? Ditto for your five am run. Everyone, it

722
00:35:04,567 --> 00:35:06,927
Speaker 2: seems is doing one on your Instagram, but you did not.

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Speaker 2: It is all making you feel exhaust and not well.

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Speaker 2: That is well being burnout. Now, I don't think I

725
00:35:14,607 --> 00:35:16,727
Speaker 2: have well being burnout because I'm in one of those

726
00:35:16,767 --> 00:35:19,087
Speaker 2: live seasons where I'm not doing anything for my well

727
00:35:19,127 --> 00:35:20,847
Speaker 2: being except for my morning walks.

728
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Speaker 3: I've seen you eating cottage cheese.

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Speaker 2: Oh I am eating cottage cheese. So I'm aspiring to

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Speaker 2: have a well being burnout right, But I'm feeling well

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Speaker 2: being almost impossible to implement at the moment. But am

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Speaker 2: I kidding myself?

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Speaker 1: Jesse?

734
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Speaker 2: Do I indeed have well being burned out?

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Speaker 4: Do you?

736
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Speaker 6: Do?

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Speaker 2: We all? And what do we do about it?

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Speaker 5: I think you have well being burnout, and I think

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Speaker 5: you've been suffering from a for years.

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Speaker 4: Just to clarify, is it from doing too much wellness

741
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Speaker 4: or from feeling overwhelmed by the wellness that other people

742
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Speaker 4: are doing?

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Speaker 5: I think it's being overwhelmed by the mental load. And

744
00:35:55,207 --> 00:35:58,407
Speaker 5: like the idea of how much you should be doing

745
00:35:58,447 --> 00:35:59,727
Speaker 5: even if you're not doing it right.

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Speaker 1: I relate to this, so.

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Speaker 5: I reckon that wellness as it is currently sold to

748
00:36:05,847 --> 00:36:09,087
Speaker 5: us could be a full time job. I reckon this

749
00:36:09,127 --> 00:36:11,687
Speaker 5: is we love watching full time girlfriends on TikTok because

750
00:36:12,007 --> 00:36:15,407
Speaker 5: their full time joe is wellness, from their smoothies to

751
00:36:15,487 --> 00:36:20,607
Speaker 5: their pilates to getting enough sleep. I remember talking years

752
00:36:20,607 --> 00:36:23,647
Speaker 5: ago about this Orlando Bloom profile where he talked about

753
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Speaker 5: his day and he would get up and he'd check

754
00:36:25,287 --> 00:36:26,527
Speaker 5: how much sleep he had, and then he'd go and

755
00:36:26,647 --> 00:36:29,287
Speaker 5: chant before doing his hike where he earned his breakfast

756
00:36:29,287 --> 00:36:32,807
Speaker 5: and he had his brain octane power the Hollywood people do.

757
00:36:33,007 --> 00:36:35,287
Speaker 5: And he plays with Lego for he's not not with

758
00:36:35,327 --> 00:36:38,247
Speaker 5: his children, to be clear, for mindfulness.

759
00:36:38,367 --> 00:36:40,487
Speaker 2: If the children want to play, Lego's like, no, this

760
00:36:40,647 --> 00:36:40,807
Speaker 2: is not.

761
00:36:40,887 --> 00:36:41,847
Speaker 3: My mindful anymore.

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Speaker 5: And it has been popularized by this breed of man,

763
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Speaker 5: and I hear this in a lot of the podcasts

764
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Speaker 5: I listened to, and I always think, where are the dependents?

765
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Speaker 1: I thought illness was a women's game.

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Speaker 5: I thought, I keep thinking about that guy I can't

767
00:36:59,647 --> 00:37:01,207
Speaker 5: remember his name who wants to live forever.

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Speaker 2: Oh Johnson, Yes, he lives oss.

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Speaker 5: So men are the ones talking about their ice baths.

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00:37:08,527 --> 00:37:11,967
Speaker 5: They're going, you need. If I hear another man tell

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Speaker 5: me how much sleep I should be getting, I'm gonna yell.

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Speaker 2: They're obsessed with it.

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00:37:14,607 --> 00:37:15,127
Speaker 3: They're usessed.

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00:37:15,167 --> 00:37:16,327
Speaker 2: And then you have to wake up and you have

775
00:37:16,367 --> 00:37:19,007
Speaker 2: to do your journaling, yeah, and your meditation, and then

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00:37:19,047 --> 00:37:20,967
Speaker 2: your eyes bath, and then your sauna yep.

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Speaker 3: And then they're like you need to be doing. And

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Speaker 3: this is what Orlando Bloom does.

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Speaker 5: He does a cheeky hour of waits every day and

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Speaker 5: then you kind of do a little bit of stretching

781
00:37:28,847 --> 00:37:31,527
Speaker 5: as well. And this is the thing is that I

782
00:37:31,607 --> 00:37:34,287
Speaker 5: was reading this report. It was actually by Lulu Lemon,

783
00:37:34,327 --> 00:37:36,087
Speaker 5: who have done a big research report on it, that

784
00:37:36,207 --> 00:37:41,087
Speaker 5: said part of the burnout is conflicting information, this sense

785
00:37:41,207 --> 00:37:43,287
Speaker 5: that we should be doing all of these things at once.

786
00:37:43,327 --> 00:37:45,367
Speaker 5: So even when I'm on my way home from the gym,

787
00:37:45,687 --> 00:37:48,647
Speaker 5: I think I did waits today, but I'm not doing

788
00:37:48,727 --> 00:37:51,367
Speaker 5: enough yoga and everyone else is running and I'm not running.

789
00:37:51,927 --> 00:37:54,087
Speaker 5: I think that's another thing playing on our minds that

790
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Speaker 5: we never know for sure whether we're doing it right

791
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Speaker 5: because we're just so overwhelmed with all the information.

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Speaker 1: Well, it feels like there's just always more things being added.

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Speaker 4: This has come at a really interesting week for me,

794
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Speaker 4: because as you get older as well, you've got to

795
00:38:08,087 --> 00:38:09,247
Speaker 4: do more and more things.

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Speaker 1: And so, you know, I've gone to the pelvic physio

797
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Speaker 1: this week.

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Speaker 4: I've been told I've got to do these pelvic things,

799
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Speaker 4: but I've also got to start doing strength training for

800
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Speaker 4: weight bearing about. And then also I think I've got roseations,

801
00:38:26,047 --> 00:38:28,127
Speaker 4: so I've got a damn total like and it's all

802
00:38:28,167 --> 00:38:29,967
Speaker 4: of these things, and then I feel like I should

803
00:38:29,967 --> 00:38:32,967
Speaker 4: be having infra red saunas and ice baths, but that

804
00:38:33,087 --> 00:38:37,127
Speaker 4: sounds unpleasant. And also it's all expensive and all It's

805
00:38:37,207 --> 00:38:39,527
Speaker 4: like wellness has been packaged up as things to sell

806
00:38:39,567 --> 00:38:42,127
Speaker 4: to us because of capitalism, Jesse, which you haven't mentioned

807
00:38:42,167 --> 00:38:45,527
Speaker 4: in a really long time, disappointingly, And it feels like

808
00:38:45,607 --> 00:38:48,687
Speaker 4: this list of things to do and buy, I don't

809
00:38:48,687 --> 00:38:52,607
Speaker 4: have the time, you know, the disposable income. It's expensive

810
00:38:52,687 --> 00:38:54,207
Speaker 4: doing all of these things, and you still feel like

811
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Speaker 4: you're not doing it right or doing it enough.

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Speaker 5: I wonder if the status of wellness, which I think holds,

813
00:38:58,847 --> 00:39:01,567
Speaker 5: you know, it's number one in terms of every celebrity,

814
00:39:01,607 --> 00:39:04,047
Speaker 5: is harping on about it. We do want to look

815
00:39:04,247 --> 00:39:06,207
Speaker 5: well and we want to project an image of wellness.

816
00:39:06,247 --> 00:39:07,167
Speaker 1: It's like performative.

817
00:39:07,287 --> 00:39:08,047
Speaker 3: It's performative.

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00:39:08,047 --> 00:39:10,527
Speaker 5: But I think the reason why hold such high status

819
00:39:11,007 --> 00:39:13,527
Speaker 5: is because it's code for I have time and money,

820
00:39:13,967 --> 00:39:15,607
Speaker 5: and they're what we're actually aspirrab.

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Speaker 2: But also the reason why it holds the status is

822
00:39:18,007 --> 00:39:20,287
Speaker 2: because most of us feel tired and a little bit

823
00:39:20,327 --> 00:39:23,447
Speaker 2: sick all of the time. Right. Most women in particular

824
00:39:23,487 --> 00:39:26,527
Speaker 2: that I know would say that you often wake up tired,

825
00:39:27,007 --> 00:39:29,287
Speaker 2: and there are a million reasons for that. They've got

826
00:39:29,327 --> 00:39:32,407
Speaker 2: health niggles that they're not getting satisfying answers for their

827
00:39:32,407 --> 00:39:35,367
Speaker 2: hormones are wreaking havoc in different ways. Most of us

828
00:39:35,447 --> 00:39:37,767
Speaker 2: feel kind of unwell a lot of the time. So

829
00:39:38,447 --> 00:39:41,007
Speaker 2: the ultimate aspiration and we think we can see it

830
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Speaker 2: on people's faces when we look at our Gwynit's or

831
00:39:43,527 --> 00:39:47,167
Speaker 2: our Brian Johnson's or whatever, is like, oh, you must

832
00:39:47,207 --> 00:39:49,487
Speaker 2: have so much energy and you must feel so great.

833
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Speaker 2: The things I most want in my life is I

834
00:39:52,207 --> 00:39:53,767
Speaker 2: want to have loads of energy and I want to

835
00:39:53,767 --> 00:39:59,647
Speaker 2: feel great. It feels like if only you did this, this, this, this,

836
00:40:00,247 --> 00:40:02,847
Speaker 2: you could so it's your fault that you're not feeling.

837
00:40:03,367 --> 00:40:05,407
Speaker 2: It's definitely your fault. And the thing is is that's

838
00:40:05,447 --> 00:40:09,167
Speaker 2: not true. But also you're not allowed to complain about it.

839
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Speaker 2: If you're doing all the things that you shouldn't be doing,

840
00:40:11,047 --> 00:40:13,487
Speaker 2: like drinking coffee, having a glass of wine, sometimes staying

841
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Speaker 2: in bed instead of going for a run at five o'clock,

842
00:40:15,367 --> 00:40:18,167
Speaker 2: it's like, well, what do you expect, lazy come one way.

843
00:40:18,447 --> 00:40:22,487
Speaker 5: Yeah, and managing your stress feels like a full time job.

844
00:40:22,527 --> 00:40:24,887
Speaker 5: But that makes me very stressed thinking about how to

845
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Speaker 5: make because I actually don't really know how to manage it.

846
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Speaker 4: And then someone's like, meditate, You've got to meditate. It's like,

847
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Speaker 4: I don't have time. I want to Every person.

848
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Speaker 2: Like all of the smart women I interview on mid

849
00:40:35,527 --> 00:40:37,767
Speaker 2: every single one of them has told me to meditate,

850
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Speaker 2: and I'm going to try. I don't don't what benefits

851
00:40:41,887 --> 00:40:45,527
Speaker 2: from general wellness well, because as I said before, the

852
00:40:45,567 --> 00:40:47,847
Speaker 2: thing I want more than anything is energy and calm. Right,

853
00:40:47,887 --> 00:40:50,327
Speaker 2: So I want energy and calm. And apparently so many

854
00:40:50,327 --> 00:40:52,807
Speaker 2: people I know who meditate say that's exactly what it

855
00:40:52,807 --> 00:40:55,487
Speaker 2: gives them. They say it's like plugging yourself in, like

856
00:40:55,527 --> 00:40:57,767
Speaker 2: you're an iPhone whose battery is low and you plug

857
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Speaker 2: yourself in. I downloaded an app the other day. I

858
00:41:00,527 --> 00:41:03,247
Speaker 2: may have even paid for it, That is Gwyneth's app

859
00:41:03,327 --> 00:41:07,527
Speaker 2: about open eye meditation. And then I realize that I

860
00:41:07,567 --> 00:41:10,007
Speaker 2: don't want open eye meditation. I want to close my

861
00:41:10,047 --> 00:41:12,727
Speaker 2: fucking eyes what I like. And then if I open

862
00:41:12,767 --> 00:41:14,407
Speaker 2: my app and it says sit up straight, no, I

863
00:41:14,447 --> 00:41:18,887
Speaker 2: want to be like, is meditation called sleep?

864
00:41:19,287 --> 00:41:19,647
Speaker 3: Anyway?

865
00:41:20,207 --> 00:41:21,887
Speaker 2: And so then I deleted the app because it made

866
00:41:21,927 --> 00:41:24,607
Speaker 2: me sad. I'm like, so now I'm on a mission

867
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Speaker 2: because these women are all smart and interesting and they

868
00:41:26,847 --> 00:41:29,287
Speaker 2: say this is the key, and I'm like, okay, so

869
00:41:29,927 --> 00:41:30,687
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it?

870
00:41:30,727 --> 00:41:30,927
Speaker 4: Though?

871
00:41:31,007 --> 00:41:32,767
Speaker 2: Is that because I'm.

872
00:41:32,367 --> 00:41:35,047
Speaker 4: Back to what you said, Jesse about all these wellness

873
00:41:35,087 --> 00:41:39,247
Speaker 4: men who've almost gamified it and turned it into this

874
00:41:39,727 --> 00:41:43,807
Speaker 4: very much sho alpha male thing like raw dogging and

875
00:41:43,847 --> 00:41:48,647
Speaker 4: all of that. They don't predominantly have caring responsibilities. And

876
00:41:48,807 --> 00:41:50,727
Speaker 4: the thing is that when you've got to do all

877
00:41:50,727 --> 00:41:53,687
Speaker 4: of these things, you've got to take the time from somewhere.

878
00:41:54,087 --> 00:41:56,167
Speaker 4: So where do you take the time from. Do you

879
00:41:56,167 --> 00:41:58,367
Speaker 4: take it from work? Do you take it from your family?

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Speaker 4: Do you take it from your friends? It's got to

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Speaker 4: come from somewhere.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The value you feel as a woman often comes from

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Speaker 5: your relationship to others. So it's like the value I

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Speaker 5: feel is I have to be a mother one hundred

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Speaker 5: percent of the time and a worker and a wife

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Speaker 5: and all of that, and that's why wellness comes last.

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Speaker 5: But then it's a stick that we beat ourselves with.

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Speaker 5: This Lulu Lemon research that came out that basically said

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Speaker 5: that Australia is.

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Speaker 1: By all leggings, Yeah exactly right.

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Speaker 2: I would love to thank you to make them for

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Speaker 2: me please, and that Australia is not doing so well

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Speaker 2: when it comes to wellness burnout.

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Speaker 5: It had some ideas, right, and it said here's all

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Speaker 5: you need to do, and it had three points and

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Speaker 5: these are the first two points.

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Speaker 3: The first is quite the noise, And I was like,

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Speaker 3: quite the noise. I can do that.

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Speaker 5: But then it said focus on mindfulness, take social media breaks,

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Speaker 5: and set boundaries. People who practice meditation report twelve percent higher.

903
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Speaker 5: And I was like, you've just given me forty five

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Speaker 5: things to do. The next one do what feels good,

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Speaker 5: practice doing things at your own pace, move your body,

906
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Speaker 5: spend time in nature, use physical activity to socialize and

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Speaker 5: I hate that's just fucking more work to do and

908
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Speaker 5: my to do list is already overflowing.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've just realized something. Well, if openeym metitate

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Speaker 2: is a thing, I could be meditating.

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Speaker 4: I think you are like when you used to cry

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Speaker 4: in meetings silently, remember that era of your life. We could.

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Speaker 2: It's like when Mia looks at me blackly, maybe she's meditating.

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Speaker 1: I am she is definitely what I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: We can sometimes sound like wisten if you about wellness,

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Speaker 2: and there is no question. The nugget of truth in

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Speaker 2: all this is that women don't make time for themselves.

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Speaker 2: They put themselves at the end of the list, and

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Speaker 2: it's not surprising that we fall over. So it has

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Speaker 2: changed my life. Going for a walk in the morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: finding little things in my day that I do just

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Speaker 2: for me. That's what self care is really meant to be, right.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be about meditating. If it is,

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Speaker 2: it is, but it can also be about a cup

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Speaker 2: of tea and walk in the part whatever. So I

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Speaker 2: feel like I should be lifting weights, meditating and running,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, can I do those all at once?

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Speaker 1: While you're meditating with your eyes open before we go.

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Speaker 5: If you are looking for something else to listen to

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Speaker 5: and you're missing M Vernon, who often fills in on

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Speaker 5: my mayor Out loud Our Out Loud is love. M.

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Speaker 5: She is on You Beauty and that drops episodes every

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Speaker 5: single week day, so she this whole hosts You Beauty

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Speaker 5: on Wednesdays with Aaron Dougherty. If you've heard about a

935
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Speaker 5: beauty trend, chances are that M has tried it.

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Speaker 1: Did you guys see this very funny boyfriend blush? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Oh no.

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Speaker 5: I saw the one about my cellar water instead of

939
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Speaker 5: dry shampoo, and I went, this is just yeah, true,

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Speaker 5: And so they tried. They tell you whether it works

941
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Speaker 5: and look, it's very, very satisfying. So we will pop

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Speaker 5: a link in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: Now I need to a boyfriend. I'll go and listen.

944
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Speaker 1: It's like meditation, except not that with blush.

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Speaker 2: A massive thank you to all of you out louders

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Speaker 2: for listening to us today and always, and to our

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Speaker 2: fabulous team for putting this show together. We're going to

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Speaker 2: be back in your ears tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: PS out Louders, we were obsessed as you were, with

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Speaker 4: the perfect couple, lots to talk about and so we

951
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Speaker 4: recorded a whole subs episode where we debriefed on everything

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Speaker 4: from the grea of it all, the dance scene, which

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Speaker 4: was hugely controversial.

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Speaker 2: We know how hard that is me. Besides, we learned

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Speaker 2: it for days. If anybody wants a.

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Speaker 1: Lot, is how the chap sounded.

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Speaker 4: I did love that whole insane scene with Liev turning

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Speaker 4: up drunk and saying the starcastly and Nicole just like, oh, come.

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Speaker 1: On, come on, tag tag, come on, tag tag.

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Speaker 4: Also her brother being there and like knowing watching watching

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Speaker 4: back on that scene knowing it's her brother, and she

962
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Speaker 4: going someone's coming to the stage. She just keeps reading

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Speaker 4: help over here while she keeps reading her book. That

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Speaker 4: was really good and you can listen to the full

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Speaker 4: episode via the link in our show notes.

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Speaker 7: Bye bye.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to any Mamma Mia subscribers listening. If you

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Speaker 2: love the show and you want to support us, subscribing

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00:45:53,167 --> 00:45:55,607
Speaker 2: to Mamma Mia is the very best way to do it.

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Speaker 2: There's a link in the episode description