WEBVTT - The Mum Whose Own Dad Broke Her Waters With Francesca Hung

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<v Speaker 1>Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Cassenia Lukic and this is diary of a birth.

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<v Speaker 2>The general consensus amongst medical professionals is that when a

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<v Speaker 2>woman has her first baby, it will likely take some time,

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<v Speaker 2>but like all things in life, there are exceptions to

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<v Speaker 2>the rule. Imagine feeling your first contraction and within half

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<v Speaker 2>an hour you're on all fours on the front steps

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<v Speaker 2>of your parents' house and your doctor dad has broken

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<v Speaker 2>you waters. Well, that's what happened to today's mum, and

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<v Speaker 2>it all took place on Christmas morning. A model, presenter

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<v Speaker 2>and actor. Our guest today has a wild story that

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<v Speaker 2>left me with my jaw on the floor. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>meet today's mum.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Francesca Hung and this is the dary of my

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<v Speaker 3>birth with Bridy.

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<v Speaker 2>So Bridy is now three months old. You had her

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<v Speaker 2>just before Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>She is literally ten weeks today, and she was born

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<v Speaker 3>on Christmas Day.

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<v Speaker 2>She was born on Christmas Day, Little Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Baby, Christmas Surprise.

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<v Speaker 2>You're obviously super busy before you felt pregnant, But what

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<v Speaker 2>was your plan like before? Did you always want to

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<v Speaker 2>have children?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely. I think that's something that Nick and I

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<v Speaker 3>had been speaking about for years and years. But it

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<v Speaker 3>was one of those funny things that I used to

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<v Speaker 3>always think I'd be a really young mum, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh my god, when I'm twenty five, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna have three kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And then every year that I got closer to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty four, twenty five, twenty six, wway seven, I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my goodness, I'm not ready for this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a child. Children cannot have children.

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<v Speaker 3>And so even when you know, I had Bridy at thirty,

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<v Speaker 3>I still didn't feel really ready. I still felt like

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<v Speaker 3>a child and I had so much more to do.

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<v Speaker 3>It was kind of that bit of a conflict. But

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<v Speaker 3>now that she's here, I'm like, yeah, this is meant

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<v Speaker 3>to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>When Nick and you have been together for quite a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Though, Yeah, eight years.

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<v Speaker 2>But you only got married fairly recently too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know, we got married December and twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was that. I can't even see.

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<v Speaker 3>I say, I can't do baths anymore, baby brain, no

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<v Speaker 3>longer can do mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, we were married for a year.

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<v Speaker 2>You said, you call her Bertie.

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<v Speaker 1>We do call her Bertie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So I actually Bridy was like the one name

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<v Speaker 3>that we agreed on and we knew the sex and

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<v Speaker 3>everything in the gender, and I had a whole list

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<v Speaker 3>of names and Nick sort of said no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>no no. So I said Bridy and he said, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I really like that, and I was so shocked. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a classic old name, but it's not very common, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's got a bit of an Irish tie for us.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved the nickname Bertie, but I just thought it

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<v Speaker 3>might a bit I don't know. I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>name her Birdie in case one day she wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>have a different kind of name.

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<v Speaker 1>But we call it Bertie.

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<v Speaker 2>And was it a planned pregnancy or was it a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a surprise.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it was definitely planned. We actually were trying for

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<v Speaker 3>quite a while. I think that I was on you know,

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<v Speaker 3>contraception for I think like six seven years, and I

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<v Speaker 3>had that taken out a whole year before we felt pregnant,

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<v Speaker 3>so we kind of were trying. I was even trying

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<v Speaker 3>before the wedding because I didn't really mind if we were,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, pregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>At the wedding.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it did take us probably about six months. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>not to it's I know she was very wanted. So

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<v Speaker 3>what did you feel like when you found out you

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<v Speaker 3>were pregnant? Well, funny you asked that, because I was

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<v Speaker 3>starting to get a little bit. You get a bit

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<v Speaker 3>anxious and you start thinking, Okay, what's happening, Like, why

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<v Speaker 3>am I falling pregnant? I had friends around me that

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<v Speaker 3>were falling pregnant first try, second try, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we were all kind of hoping to be aligned together.

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<v Speaker 1>I had this silly.

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<v Speaker 3>Idea in my head, Okay, well I kind of wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to be pregnant before thirty and have my first child.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was a night before my thirtieth birthday and

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<v Speaker 3>I was just crying to my mom and I was saying,

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on. My mom had really struggled as well

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<v Speaker 3>to fall pregnant. I'm an IVF baby after numerous rounds

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<v Speaker 3>and years and years, so I think it was always

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<v Speaker 3>back in my mind that something could happen, and I've

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<v Speaker 3>always been a little bit on edge about that, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was sort of having a bit of a cry

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<v Speaker 3>to her, saying, oh, you know, before thirty, I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of want to be pregnant, and she was there for me.

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<v Speaker 3>And then it was the next morning. I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 3>but I just had a feeling and my period wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>even due, and I took a pregnancy test and I

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<v Speaker 3>had a faint line on my thirtieth birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>What was your pregnancy like?

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<v Speaker 3>First trimester was a little bit rough, but really nothing

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<v Speaker 3>compared to a lot of people. I was nauseous. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think I threw up once, but I was just

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<v Speaker 3>the only thing I could eat was vitaweats with butter

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<v Speaker 3>and vegimite, and it was just like every day, all day.

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<v Speaker 3>Every day, just wanted vegimite. Yeah, that was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything throughout the pregnancy, it was just a normal pregnancy

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<v Speaker 2>for you.

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<v Speaker 3>They actually did have a few scares, which was a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit concerning. So at the beginning when I had

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<v Speaker 3>my first scan, I think we were all so excited,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I came home and I bled after my

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<v Speaker 3>first scan. I think after like mum's history of miscarriages

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<v Speaker 3>and eptopic pregnancies. I was at home with her and

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<v Speaker 3>when I said, like, I've got fresh blood sort of things,

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<v Speaker 3>she came in and she was just sort of oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, so upset.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're very fortunate.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad's a radiologist and I had had my scan

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<v Speaker 3>at his practice, not with him, but somebody else, and

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<v Speaker 3>so Mum just called dad straight away and said, can

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<v Speaker 3>we please come back in and get like an emergency scan,

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<v Speaker 3>like she's bleeding. So the amazing staff stayed back after hours,

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<v Speaker 3>raced back up. I was like crying, and then they

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<v Speaker 3>did a scan and they said, look, the heartbeats still there.

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<v Speaker 3>They could have just been having like you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>internal examination sort of disrupted a few things, but take

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<v Speaker 3>it easy for a couple of days. So we were

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<v Speaker 3>on tender hooks for a while there. And then I

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<v Speaker 3>think before that twelve week mark as well, I had

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<v Speaker 3>some more bleeding.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, we don't know what that was about.

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<v Speaker 3>It well, my ob believes that because I had a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of a percenta previa at the beginning, so it

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<v Speaker 3>probably was causing that bit of you know, the rupturing

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<v Speaker 3>bit of bleeding. But after that second trimester was incredible, easy, brazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt fabulous. I didn't even feel pregnant. I was

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<v Speaker 3>able to do everything, exercise the way I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>eat whatever I wanted to. And then third trimester, I

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<v Speaker 3>was hit with terrible pelvic girdle pain.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we've had very similar pregnancies because I

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<v Speaker 2>had the exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was the hits because I just I couldn't walk,

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<v Speaker 3>could not walk. So I mean, I picked up swimming,

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<v Speaker 3>which was great, and I felt like that was amazing,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just did pilates, but even by the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the play as I couldn't do so pretty much,

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<v Speaker 3>it was just like no walking and yep, sit down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really really painful coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>I just start sprinting up the stairs like something out

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<v Speaker 3>of a horror film. I'm on my hands and my feet,

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<v Speaker 3>like running up the stairs like an animal, screaming help help.

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<v Speaker 1>The baby's coming.

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<v Speaker 2>So tell me about going into labor.

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<v Speaker 3>Hmmmm, Well, I feel like I have to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>set the scene for you a little bit. So Nick

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<v Speaker 3>and I decided to move home when we had the

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<v Speaker 3>baby because I just thought we're both kind of working.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick just started his own business.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not really taking time off, and it'd be nice

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<v Speaker 3>to have extra set of hands. So in the lead

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<v Speaker 3>up to Christmas, we were like, hey, you probably have to,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, get going. Bertie's birthdate wasn't until the eighth

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<v Speaker 3>of Jam and we're very relaxed, and so we were

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<v Speaker 3>sort of like working towards that date, and I wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>really carrying that large and IOB was sort of saying,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm happy to sort of let you go to forty

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<v Speaker 3>one plus no high risk or anything like that anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>So we had only moved out of the house in

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<v Speaker 3>that week leading up to Christmas. I remember setting up

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<v Speaker 3>the nursery at mum and Dad's house and literally putting

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<v Speaker 3>together like the car seat and the capsule and the

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<v Speaker 3>pram and everything. On Christmas Eve and that was Nick's

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<v Speaker 3>last day of work and we was our one day

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<v Speaker 3>we had like we were relaxing. It was so nice,

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<v Speaker 3>and we went to a Christmas Eve party that night.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember just sort of like, you know, having a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of a grumbles, like, oh my god, like, wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>it be nice if the baby came on Christmas Day?

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<v Speaker 1>Bit of a present?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so I'm so over this, but you know, obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>not thinking anything would happen, went home, went to bed,

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<v Speaker 3>and I woke up at about two thirty on Christmas morning,

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<v Speaker 3>and I stumbled to the bathroom just thinking I needed to,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, go to the toilet. And I was sitting

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<v Speaker 3>there doing the longest wee ever, thinking, oh, like, my

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<v Speaker 3>brags and hicks feel a bit funny. And I've been

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<v Speaker 3>having brax and hicks since thirty weeks, so I was

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<v Speaker 3>very used to them, but they just felt a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit different, and I thought, oh, maybe I needed to

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<v Speaker 3>number two, like you know, something going on there. Couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>do number two, so I thought, okay, going back to bed,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna sleep this off. Because I had heard so

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<v Speaker 3>many horror stories of women who have had like prodromal

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<v Speaker 3>labor or you know, these labor signs for so long

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<v Speaker 3>and then they don't go into labor. And I just

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<v Speaker 3>did not want to be thinking that I was in labor.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was like, no, I'm not in labor. Going

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<v Speaker 3>to sleep anyway. I lay in bed for another fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>twenty minutes and I was like, no, this is I

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<v Speaker 3>think I'm in labor. I think these are contractions. Oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, Oh my gosh. So I tapped Nick on

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<v Speaker 3>the shoulder. Poor boy was fast asleep, and I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're having a Christmas Day baby, and he

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<v Speaker 3>woke up.

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<v Speaker 4>What what what?

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, But don't worry. You know, this takes forever.

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<v Speaker 3>This takes so long. Like, go back to sleep. I

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<v Speaker 3>need you to be you know, energetic tomorrow. So just

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<v Speaker 3>go back to sleep. And quite funny, in the past,

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<v Speaker 3>my birth plan was I said, Okay, I know I

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<v Speaker 3>want to stay at home for as long as I

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<v Speaker 3>can labor at home. So the idea is like when

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<v Speaker 3>I start going to labor, I want to like take

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<v Speaker 3>the dog for a walk and get out, go to

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<v Speaker 3>a cafe. I've heard that, you know, distract yourself because

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<v Speaker 3>it will take forever. Anyway, I had just said to him,

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<v Speaker 3>go back to sleep, and then I had another contraction,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was literally like, oh my gosh, like no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>this is this is so painful. How is this the

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<v Speaker 3>beginning stages of labor? Anyway, Nick's like should I get up?

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like no, no, no, no, it's fine, just.

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<v Speaker 1>Go back to sleep. Go back to sleep. Anyway, another contraction,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, we haven't packed a hospital bag.

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<v Speaker 3>So jumped out of bed and started to try and

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<v Speaker 3>pack a hospital bag.

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<v Speaker 1>Three am in the morning.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd pull out about ten bras and I said to Nick,

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<v Speaker 3>pack these and he looks at me and he says,

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<v Speaker 3>do you need ten bras?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I don't know what I mean. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>I can't think.

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<v Speaker 3>I could not think straight. Every contraction, I was like

0:11:05.933 --> 0:11:08.653
<v Speaker 3>on all fours on the ground bearing down. I remember

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<v Speaker 3>looking at my dog at one point and she was

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<v Speaker 3>just staring at me, and I was staring at her,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was thinking, what is going on? This is

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<v Speaker 3>so painful. Anyway, so I have to say there was

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<v Speaker 3>no hospital bag packed. And then Nick started time my contractions.

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<v Speaker 3>They were super irregular, like one was every seven minutes,

0:11:24.613 --> 0:11:29.213
<v Speaker 3>one was every three two, so random. So he called

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<v Speaker 3>the birth unit at the hospital and we spoke to

0:11:32.413 --> 0:11:36.133
<v Speaker 3>the most gorgeous midwife that She said, look what we're after,

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<v Speaker 3>especially it's her first labor and everything, and she's literally

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<v Speaker 3>just woken up half an hour ago and felt her

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<v Speaker 3>first contraction. So what we're looking for is four contractions

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<v Speaker 3>within ten minutes. It's like clockwork. So maybe we'll see

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<v Speaker 3>you later today kind of thing. She asked, have you

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<v Speaker 3>taken panadoal? Have you done any of your at home pain,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, relief, had a bath, any of that sort

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<v Speaker 3>of thing, And I hadn't at that stage.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's like, maybe do.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of that. How many weeks were you at this

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<v Speaker 2>point thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight on the dot? Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>So Nick ran and got me some panadole down the

0:12:08.133 --> 0:12:11.253
<v Speaker 3>hatch and then I pretty much vomited it straight up

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<v Speaker 3>straight into the bathroom. I remember looking at the toilet,

0:12:13.653 --> 0:12:16.293
<v Speaker 3>could see my Christmas Eve dinner, and I was like, great,

0:12:16.373 --> 0:12:18.853
<v Speaker 3>there's the ham, there's a cran resource, and there's the patadol.

0:12:19.653 --> 0:12:21.293
<v Speaker 3>And then I said, okay, let's hop into the bath.

0:12:21.293 --> 0:12:23.253
<v Speaker 3>So I hopped at the bath. It was instant relief.

0:12:23.333 --> 0:12:25.732
<v Speaker 3>It was so gorgeous, you know, in between those contractions.

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<v Speaker 3>But those contractions were just oh, they were just like

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<v Speaker 3>getting really really intense. And it was only about three

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<v Speaker 3>point thirty at this point, maybe four, I don't really know,

0:12:36.053 --> 0:12:39.653
<v Speaker 3>but I didn't do any birthing classes, but I had

0:12:39.653 --> 0:12:41.533
<v Speaker 3>looked at some things on TikTok and I'd seen some

0:12:41.573 --> 0:12:44.013
<v Speaker 3>things about like holding combs and whatever else. So I

0:12:44.053 --> 0:12:45.893
<v Speaker 3>grabbed one of the combs I had in my drawer,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was squeezing it so tightly it was literally

0:12:48.173 --> 0:12:51.333
<v Speaker 3>like causing these like dents and like blood was coming

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<v Speaker 3>out of my hands.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, this is doing nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you mean trying to get into like a

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<v Speaker 3>meditative state and whatever else? Anyway, nothing was working. I

0:13:00.613 --> 0:13:03.333
<v Speaker 3>was just like clenching the bath. I think I was

0:13:03.333 --> 0:13:05.133
<v Speaker 3>starting to get a little bit panicked at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>I hadn't really felt her kick this whole time, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm used to her being quite active. Also, my waters

0:13:10.973 --> 0:13:13.653
<v Speaker 3>hadn't broken, I hadn't lost my mucus plug, so like

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<v Speaker 3>none of the things you were kind of told to

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<v Speaker 3>expect at the early stages of labor. And I just

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<v Speaker 3>thought this was happening way too quick, like this isn't

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<v Speaker 3>meant to happen like this. And I also was freaking

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<v Speaker 3>out about tearing, because you know, you hear so much

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<v Speaker 3>about like, oh my god, tearing and prolapse, and I

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<v Speaker 3>just thought something terrible is going to happen here. And

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<v Speaker 3>then every time I could feel a contraction, I remember satanick,

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<v Speaker 3>I cannot do this, I cannot do this. Another one

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<v Speaker 3>is coming and he was just like being amazing and

0:13:42.213 --> 0:13:43.853
<v Speaker 3>he was like, yes, you can, you can do this.

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<v Speaker 3>And I kept saying, somebody cut me open, like please,

0:13:46.813 --> 0:13:49.013
<v Speaker 3>I think it will be better. And I want drugs.

0:13:49.253 --> 0:13:52.133
<v Speaker 3>I want the epedeel right now. And I had always

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<v Speaker 3>been very happy to have all the medication and the

0:13:54.693 --> 0:13:56.333
<v Speaker 3>drugs in the world. I just had to get to

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<v Speaker 3>the hospital and I kept saying, I just I need

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<v Speaker 3>to be the hospital right now, like I need drugs,

0:14:00.773 --> 0:14:04.653
<v Speaker 3>like this is unbearable. And then I remember one contraction

0:14:04.813 --> 0:14:07.693
<v Speaker 3>was just unbelievably painful, and I looked down and there

0:14:07.733 --> 0:14:10.613
<v Speaker 3>was blood in the bath, and so then I think

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<v Speaker 3>I just freaked out. I leaped out of the bath

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<v Speaker 3>and I just had this insane urge to push, and

0:14:18.093 --> 0:14:21.053
<v Speaker 3>I just I needed to push, and so I over

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<v Speaker 3>the toilet and I said to Nick.

0:14:22.773 --> 0:14:27.053
<v Speaker 1>I need to like, I need to push.

0:14:25.693 --> 0:14:28.253
<v Speaker 3>And I said, something's coming out, Something's coming out. And

0:14:28.293 --> 0:14:32.533
<v Speaker 3>it was just incredibly painful, and I thought I was

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<v Speaker 3>having a prolapse or something.

0:14:33.693 --> 0:14:34.013
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:14:34.013 --> 0:14:35.853
<v Speaker 3>I thought maybe my vagina was coming out of me.

0:14:36.093 --> 0:14:38.093
<v Speaker 3>And I could feel I couldn't see it, obviously, I

0:14:38.093 --> 0:14:39.493
<v Speaker 3>had a belly in front of me, but I could

0:14:39.573 --> 0:14:43.733
<v Speaker 3>feel this soft, warm, wet thing coming out of me

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<v Speaker 3>over the toilet, and Nick, poor boy, was trying to

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<v Speaker 3>push it back in.

0:14:48.373 --> 0:14:52.293
<v Speaker 1>He was like, oh my god, oh my god. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. We didn't know what the hell was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And he kept saying to me, should we get your mom?

0:14:56.973 --> 0:14:57.893
<v Speaker 1>Should we get your mom?

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<v Speaker 3>And I kept saying earlier I'd said no, let her sleep.

0:15:01.093 --> 0:15:02.613
<v Speaker 3>And then he was like, I think we need your

0:15:02.613 --> 0:15:04.333
<v Speaker 3>mom and dad. And I was like, okay, but we're

0:15:04.373 --> 0:15:07.573
<v Speaker 3>going to the hospital right now. He said, okay, but

0:15:07.693 --> 0:15:10.653
<v Speaker 3>like you're naked, and I said I don't care, and

0:15:10.733 --> 0:15:13.253
<v Speaker 3>he tried to dress me. He got a bra lette

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<v Speaker 3>on me. That's it, and I just started running. I

0:15:17.933 --> 0:15:20.253
<v Speaker 3>just couldn't tell that I was in the in between

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<v Speaker 3>a contract. Now. We have a lot of stairs my

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<v Speaker 3>mum and dad's house, probably about like one hundred stairs

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<v Speaker 3>from top to bottom. Mom and dad at the top

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<v Speaker 3>of the house and we're at the bottom. Pitch black.

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<v Speaker 3>This is now, it's like four fifty in the morning.

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<v Speaker 3>I just start sprinting up the stairs like something out

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<v Speaker 3>of a horror film. I'm on my hands and my feet,

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<v Speaker 3>like running up the stairs like an animal.

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<v Speaker 1>Screaming, hell, hell, the baby's coming.

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<v Speaker 3>And like I was petrified at this point, like I was.

0:15:51.573 --> 0:15:53.093
<v Speaker 3>I can laugh at it now, but at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>like I thought she was dead or she was like

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<v Speaker 3>ejecting herself. Something was really wrong. And Nick, poor boy,

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<v Speaker 3>was just left in the bathroom and he was like

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<v Speaker 3>he turned around, he was like, where did she go?

0:16:02.973 --> 0:16:04.253
<v Speaker 3>Where did she go? And then he could just hear

0:16:04.253 --> 0:16:08.853
<v Speaker 3>me screaming. Meanwhile, Mom and Dad Christmas morning, fastest sleep

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<v Speaker 3>and they just wake up to blood curdling screams. They

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<v Speaker 3>run out into their balcony. They thought the neighbors. Something

0:16:15.973 --> 0:16:17.933
<v Speaker 3>was happening with the neighbors, and they ran to the

0:16:17.973 --> 0:16:20.653
<v Speaker 3>balcony and they thought, no, no, like that's coming from

0:16:20.733 --> 0:16:24.813
<v Speaker 3>inside the house. Mum said she walked back to the

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<v Speaker 3>top of the stairs and she just saw me running

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<v Speaker 3>naked up the stairs screaming out help, the baby's coming.

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<v Speaker 3>And she thought, oh my god, like, what has happened.

0:16:35.493 --> 0:16:39.053
<v Speaker 3>Something horrific has happened. What's going on? I ran straight

0:16:39.093 --> 0:16:42.013
<v Speaker 3>past her, opened the front door and then hit the

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<v Speaker 3>decks and was on all fours having another contraction outside

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<v Speaker 3>the front of the house. Luckily we are inside the

0:16:47.733 --> 0:16:50.093
<v Speaker 3>front gate, so it's not in the street at this stage.

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<v Speaker 3>But I am outside in a bralet, in a brlet

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<v Speaker 3>butt naked. And I not a prude, but I was

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<v Speaker 3>nervous before birth about the doctors seeing me naked in

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<v Speaker 3>the hospital, and at this point I do not care

0:17:02.573 --> 0:17:06.572
<v Speaker 3>who sees me naked. It's very animalistic birth, is what

0:17:06.613 --> 0:17:09.892
<v Speaker 3>I've learned, and everything what you thought was out the window.

0:17:10.613 --> 0:17:13.773
<v Speaker 3>I remember being outside. I'm on the cold stone, you know,

0:17:13.893 --> 0:17:16.773
<v Speaker 3>of the ground, and Dad walks out and he says, Franceasca,

0:17:17.133 --> 0:17:20.453
<v Speaker 3>come inside, and I just look at him. I'm on

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<v Speaker 3>all and I look at him and I say, tell

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<v Speaker 3>me what is coming out of me? So, my beautiful dad,

0:17:27.733 --> 0:17:30.173
<v Speaker 3>it's a real bonding experience. He did get down on

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<v Speaker 3>all fours and he had a good look. I think

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<v Speaker 3>someone must have used a flashlight. I don't know how

0:17:35.973 --> 0:17:37.213
<v Speaker 3>he saw because it.

0:17:37.173 --> 0:17:38.213
<v Speaker 1>Was pitch black outside.

0:17:38.333 --> 0:17:41.693
<v Speaker 3>And he started feeling around and he said, he looked

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<v Speaker 3>at me and he said, your membranes are bulging. And

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<v Speaker 3>I said, Layman's term, what is that? And he said,

0:17:48.053 --> 0:17:50.893
<v Speaker 3>it's your amnionic sack. It's coming out of you. But

0:17:50.973 --> 0:17:53.052
<v Speaker 3>it hadn't burst, so it was just that's what I

0:17:53.173 --> 0:17:55.133
<v Speaker 3>was feeling that was the circular thing, that was the

0:17:55.173 --> 0:17:57.852
<v Speaker 3>round thing, and it was like literally hanging out of me,

0:17:58.013 --> 0:18:02.572
<v Speaker 3>this big, beautiful sack. And at this stage Nick finally

0:18:02.573 --> 0:18:05.253
<v Speaker 3>come outstairs. He had tried to pack some semblance of

0:18:05.253 --> 0:18:07.733
<v Speaker 3>a hospital bag. He came upstairs. He said, it was

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<v Speaker 3>the strangest scene ever. I'm on all fours, the dog's

0:18:10.773 --> 0:18:14.973
<v Speaker 3>running around me, my dad is down touching the amniotic sack.

0:18:15.213 --> 0:18:17.253
<v Speaker 3>Mum is trying to find clothes to put on so

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<v Speaker 3>she can drive us to the hospital. And Nick just

0:18:18.973 --> 0:18:20.852
<v Speaker 3>comes up the stairs with the hospital bag and took

0:18:20.893 --> 0:18:23.853
<v Speaker 3>this photo and it is my favorite photo ever because

0:18:23.933 --> 0:18:28.373
<v Speaker 3>it just sets the scene perfectly, but obviously because Dad

0:18:28.413 --> 0:18:30.493
<v Speaker 3>was sort of manipulating the sack, it broke.

0:18:30.653 --> 0:18:34.973
<v Speaker 1>It broke. Yeah, so there outside the front of the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, can we just back for a second. Your dad

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<v Speaker 2>broke your waters?

0:18:37.893 --> 0:18:38.973
<v Speaker 1>My dad broke my waters.

0:18:39.413 --> 0:18:40.453
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go.

0:18:40.533 --> 0:18:46.093
<v Speaker 1>That's our headline, literally, But.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what it's like when your waters break. I

0:18:48.173 --> 0:18:50.413
<v Speaker 3>feel like it steps up a gear. And then I

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<v Speaker 3>remember saying I need to push, and Mum and Dad

0:18:53.733 --> 0:18:55.173
<v Speaker 3>both said, do not push.

0:18:55.293 --> 0:18:56.853
<v Speaker 1>You hold it in. You hold it in.

0:18:57.253 --> 0:18:58.453
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, I need to push, and they

0:18:58.453 --> 0:19:00.852
<v Speaker 3>were like hold it in. I don't know how, but

0:19:00.933 --> 0:19:03.373
<v Speaker 3>we managed to get up to the car. Mum was

0:19:03.453 --> 0:19:05.933
<v Speaker 3>driving Nick and I to the point where we must

0:19:05.933 --> 0:19:07.973
<v Speaker 3>have left so quickly that Dad went to put some

0:19:08.013 --> 0:19:11.013
<v Speaker 3>clothes on and or shoes or something, and he came outside.

0:19:11.053 --> 0:19:11.733
<v Speaker 1>We're all gone.

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<v Speaker 3>So I love that we just left the doctor at home,

0:19:14.493 --> 0:19:16.693
<v Speaker 3>probably the one person that would have been really handy

0:19:16.773 --> 0:19:19.693
<v Speaker 3>in the car, but anyway, that's fine. I remember being

0:19:19.733 --> 0:19:21.893
<v Speaker 3>in the backseat. I couldn't sit properly, so I was

0:19:21.933 --> 0:19:25.292
<v Speaker 3>sort of straddling the seat arms around the headrest waters

0:19:25.333 --> 0:19:28.213
<v Speaker 3>that keep breaking every contraction. I remember Nick and Mum

0:19:28.253 --> 0:19:32.213
<v Speaker 3>in the front seat. Mum just remembers beautiful Christmas carols playing.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently.

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<v Speaker 3>Nick just kept telling me you're doing amazing, you'd be

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<v Speaker 3>amazing at all. I remember asking is is she okay?

0:19:39.933 --> 0:19:42.333
<v Speaker 1>Is she okay? Can I have some drugs? Please? Will

0:19:42.373 --> 0:19:43.933
<v Speaker 1>I be allowed drugs? Is she okay?

0:19:44.413 --> 0:19:46.812
<v Speaker 3>And Mum kept saying, I don't know, darling, but I

0:19:46.813 --> 0:19:48.613
<v Speaker 3>don't think you'll be a loud drugs You won't be

0:19:48.653 --> 0:19:51.333
<v Speaker 3>a loud drugs darling. There was no screaming apart from

0:19:51.333 --> 0:19:52.812
<v Speaker 3>when I ran up the stairs. There was like never

0:19:52.893 --> 0:19:56.173
<v Speaker 3>a scream. I was kind of like very much within myself.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we finally got to the hospital. It took

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<v Speaker 3>us I think like ten fifteen minutes to get there,

0:20:01.573 --> 0:20:02.773
<v Speaker 3>no traffic on the roads.

0:20:03.453 --> 0:20:04.292
<v Speaker 1>But obviously it's.

0:20:04.213 --> 0:20:07.052
<v Speaker 3>Christmas, so there was skeleton staff and there was nobody

0:20:07.213 --> 0:20:11.093
<v Speaker 3>at the front doors to the hospital, and so Nick

0:20:11.133 --> 0:20:14.613
<v Speaker 3>jumped out of the car, buzzing on the intercom. Security

0:20:14.653 --> 0:20:17.333
<v Speaker 3>guard comes on, you know, slowly comes down.

0:20:17.853 --> 0:20:20.493
<v Speaker 1>Nick's like, my wife's in labor. My wife's in labor

0:20:20.773 --> 0:20:23.332
<v Speaker 1>with the door. So he presses the door. They open.

0:20:24.053 --> 0:20:25.733
<v Speaker 3>He runs around to the back of the car because

0:20:25.773 --> 0:20:28.332
<v Speaker 3>he thought, oh, Chester is in the car. I had

0:20:28.373 --> 0:20:31.332
<v Speaker 3>a robe luckily packed, and so put that over my

0:20:31.373 --> 0:20:32.773
<v Speaker 3>shoulders and I'm shuffling in.

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<v Speaker 1>I have enough contraction. I cannot walk.

0:20:34.533 --> 0:20:37.773
<v Speaker 3>So the doors shut again, so security guard has to

0:20:37.773 --> 0:20:40.532
<v Speaker 3>come back open them again for us. Then we shuffle in,

0:20:40.573 --> 0:20:42.773
<v Speaker 3>get to the lift, go up the lift to the

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<v Speaker 3>maternity ward. One of the midwives meets us there and

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<v Speaker 3>I have enough contraction and I cannot walk, and I

0:20:49.053 --> 0:20:52.173
<v Speaker 3>remember feeling something coming out of me was different to

0:20:52.173 --> 0:20:54.052
<v Speaker 3>the sack, but I was literally having to use my

0:20:54.133 --> 0:20:56.133
<v Speaker 3>hand to like hold I believe it's her head, but

0:20:56.173 --> 0:20:58.213
<v Speaker 3>I had to hold it in when I kept saying

0:20:58.253 --> 0:21:00.733
<v Speaker 3>I can't walk, I can't walk, and a midwife, Maddie,

0:21:00.773 --> 0:21:02.413
<v Speaker 3>she said, come with me. You have to walk, like

0:21:02.453 --> 0:21:03.813
<v Speaker 3>I need you to get on the bed right now.

0:21:04.053 --> 0:21:06.812
<v Speaker 3>So I'm trying to walk mid contraction. As it was

0:21:06.853 --> 0:21:11.693
<v Speaker 3>skeleton staff, there was obviously no planned inductions, no plan cesareans,

0:21:12.493 --> 0:21:16.253
<v Speaker 3>so there was only two midwives on Christmas morning at

0:21:16.293 --> 0:21:19.133
<v Speaker 3>this time, and it just so happened that three women

0:21:19.173 --> 0:21:22.653
<v Speaker 3>including myself, had gone into spontaneous labor and we were

0:21:22.693 --> 0:21:25.893
<v Speaker 3>all in labor at the same time, so you need

0:21:25.933 --> 0:21:29.893
<v Speaker 3>two midwives per birth, and so the midwives were having

0:21:29.933 --> 0:21:33.173
<v Speaker 3>to run between the three rooms and you could just

0:21:33.213 --> 0:21:36.653
<v Speaker 3>hear screaming from the other two rooms like one of

0:21:36.693 --> 0:21:39.013
<v Speaker 3>the other ladies. Unfortunately I met her later where we

0:21:39.013 --> 0:21:42.253
<v Speaker 3>were in hospital, but she was in like active labor

0:21:42.293 --> 0:21:44.372
<v Speaker 3>and birth when I came in. But the midwives had

0:21:44.373 --> 0:21:47.573
<v Speaker 3>to leave her to come to me, and they said

0:21:47.573 --> 0:21:49.332
<v Speaker 3>hop on the bed, and I kept asking them like,

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<v Speaker 3>please tell me, like is she okay?

0:21:50.813 --> 0:21:51.133
<v Speaker 1>Sheka?

0:21:51.293 --> 0:21:54.333
<v Speaker 3>She k They shut the heart rate monitor on straight away,

0:21:54.453 --> 0:21:57.053
<v Speaker 3>and that was the best thing ever because they said

0:21:57.093 --> 0:22:01.413
<v Speaker 3>she's absolutely fine, in absolutely no distress whatsoever. Heart rate

0:22:01.613 --> 0:22:05.053
<v Speaker 3>is perfectly normal, and I think everyone, Nick, myself, my mum,

0:22:05.133 --> 0:22:08.892
<v Speaker 3>we all just we finally could breathe. And then at

0:22:08.893 --> 0:22:10.613
<v Speaker 3>that point I thought, okay, like I can do this.

0:22:10.613 --> 0:22:12.973
<v Speaker 3>This is fine, She's okay. And then I said, can

0:22:12.973 --> 0:22:14.053
<v Speaker 3>I please have some drugs?

0:22:14.733 --> 0:22:16.773
<v Speaker 1>Please? Guy, I have some drugs.

0:22:17.373 --> 0:22:19.812
<v Speaker 3>And she said I'm sorry no, but you could have

0:22:19.893 --> 0:22:22.173
<v Speaker 3>some gas, and so I said okay. So I grabbed

0:22:22.213 --> 0:22:24.613
<v Speaker 3>the gas and I had a good suck on that,

0:22:25.613 --> 0:22:27.653
<v Speaker 3>and then the midwife said, look that I'm gonna put

0:22:27.653 --> 0:22:29.373
<v Speaker 3>my gloves on and just check to see where you're at.

0:22:29.453 --> 0:22:32.053
<v Speaker 3>And as she was putting her gloves on, she came

0:22:32.173 --> 0:22:34.413
<v Speaker 3>up to me and put her hand on my shoulder

0:22:34.453 --> 0:22:36.613
<v Speaker 3>and she said, you just do what you need to do.

0:22:36.973 --> 0:22:39.173
<v Speaker 1>And I said I need to push, and she said, yeah,

0:22:39.293 --> 0:22:42.213
<v Speaker 1>you just do what you need to do. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was.

0:22:42.693 --> 0:22:47.013
<v Speaker 3>Three pushes and she was born. So we arrived at

0:22:47.013 --> 0:22:50.332
<v Speaker 3>the hospital at five eleven and time of birth is

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<v Speaker 3>five twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>My hairs are standing up on end, so you had

0:22:56.653 --> 0:22:57.853
<v Speaker 2>a precipitous birth.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, from when I felt the first interaction, it was

0:22:59.733 --> 0:23:02.613
<v Speaker 3>under three hours from when I gave birth. Wow, I

0:23:02.613 --> 0:23:05.133
<v Speaker 3>would have had a home birth if we hadn't left

0:23:05.133 --> 0:23:07.293
<v Speaker 3>when we had left, or if I hadn't actually held

0:23:07.293 --> 0:23:09.532
<v Speaker 3>her in while I was in the car, because I

0:23:09.573 --> 0:23:11.733
<v Speaker 3>could really feel that urge to push, and I was

0:23:11.813 --> 0:23:14.132
<v Speaker 3>actively pulling up, pulling in.

0:23:14.573 --> 0:23:17.173
<v Speaker 2>Wow, I'm just trying, I know.

0:23:17.293 --> 0:23:19.612
<v Speaker 1>To be there for a shock. Trust me, I was

0:23:19.693 --> 0:23:20.533
<v Speaker 1>in quite a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Okay, so obviously this is not what you were expecting,

0:23:24.373 --> 0:23:27.853
<v Speaker 2>not at all. So they put Bertie up on your chest. Yeah,

0:23:27.893 --> 0:23:30.532
<v Speaker 2>how are you feeling? Are you in just complete shock?

0:23:30.813 --> 0:23:31.053
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:23:31.093 --> 0:23:35.053
<v Speaker 3>So that probably was the hardest part of it all.

0:23:35.133 --> 0:23:37.812
<v Speaker 3>I think I just hadn't really had time to figure

0:23:37.813 --> 0:23:39.733
<v Speaker 3>out what was going on, and there was so much

0:23:39.893 --> 0:23:43.253
<v Speaker 3>anxiety around what was going on. I think, like knowing

0:23:43.333 --> 0:23:46.332
<v Speaker 3>obviously that it was all just happening very naturally and

0:23:46.453 --> 0:23:48.933
<v Speaker 3>was meant to happen. If I have another child and

0:23:48.973 --> 0:23:50.493
<v Speaker 3>I happened to have that kind of birth, I think

0:23:50.533 --> 0:23:52.812
<v Speaker 3>it'd be a very different situation. But that being my

0:23:52.893 --> 0:23:56.213
<v Speaker 3>first birth and first labor and not being at the hospital,

0:23:56.693 --> 0:23:58.973
<v Speaker 3>alarm bells are ringing, and so when they did put

0:23:58.973 --> 0:24:01.253
<v Speaker 3>her on my chest, I couldn't even look at her.

0:24:01.333 --> 0:24:03.653
<v Speaker 3>I was like incomplete, not a shock, and I just

0:24:03.693 --> 0:24:05.173
<v Speaker 3>I think I was like disassociating.

0:24:05.253 --> 0:24:05.572
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:24:05.573 --> 0:24:07.253
<v Speaker 3>I remember just like not looking at her and just

0:24:07.253 --> 0:24:09.773
<v Speaker 3>looking at Nicker, looking at my mom, and I never

0:24:09.813 --> 0:24:12.733
<v Speaker 3>felt that. People kept saying, oh my gosh when they

0:24:12.933 --> 0:24:16.693
<v Speaker 3>you know, that's like the most incredible feeling ever, and

0:24:16.213 --> 0:24:19.133
<v Speaker 3>they put the baby in your chest and like it's euphoric,

0:24:19.213 --> 0:24:21.853
<v Speaker 3>And I did not feel that at all. It actually

0:24:21.853 --> 0:24:24.852
<v Speaker 3>took me like a couple of weeks, I think, to

0:24:25.293 --> 0:24:28.213
<v Speaker 3>feel that. I don't know the endorphins, I guess, but

0:24:28.333 --> 0:24:31.493
<v Speaker 3>I remember like the first twenty four hours in hospital,

0:24:31.533 --> 0:24:34.013
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't sleep because every time I closed my eyes,

0:24:34.093 --> 0:24:36.973
<v Speaker 3>like I was transported back to home, and like the

0:24:37.013 --> 0:24:39.852
<v Speaker 3>pain and what was happening and the fear. Yeah, I

0:24:39.933 --> 0:24:42.213
<v Speaker 3>just like wasn't really coping with it in that first

0:24:42.253 --> 0:24:43.052
<v Speaker 3>twenty four hours.

0:24:43.413 --> 0:24:46.132
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think that's completely understandable. That's probably your

0:24:46.133 --> 0:24:48.933
<v Speaker 2>body's like fight or flight kicking in. You know, that's

0:24:48.973 --> 0:24:52.133
<v Speaker 2>a trauma response, right, Like you know, you didn't know

0:24:52.173 --> 0:24:54.132
<v Speaker 2>what was going on. It was all happening so quickly,

0:24:54.493 --> 0:24:57.413
<v Speaker 2>and you know when someone tells you, oh it's fine,

0:24:57.413 --> 0:24:59.853
<v Speaker 2>it's your first birth, it'll be a while. This is

0:24:59.853 --> 0:25:01.733
<v Speaker 2>your first contract. You're only at thirty eight weeks, like,

0:25:01.773 --> 0:25:05.133
<v Speaker 2>you'll be right, yeah, and then it all happens that quickly.

0:25:05.973 --> 0:25:08.853
<v Speaker 2>I can imagine that would be really, really challenging for you.

0:25:10.213 --> 0:25:14.693
<v Speaker 2>So in terms of your recovery physically, was there any complications?

0:25:14.733 --> 0:25:15.933
<v Speaker 2>Were you okay?

0:25:16.293 --> 0:25:19.893
<v Speaker 3>So that's a good question because I also that was

0:25:20.053 --> 0:25:22.693
<v Speaker 3>my biggest fear, obviously, thinking such a quick berth could

0:25:22.693 --> 0:25:26.493
<v Speaker 3>mean a lot of damage down there. I only had

0:25:26.533 --> 0:25:29.813
<v Speaker 3>a labial tear, I know. I thought I might have had,

0:25:29.933 --> 0:25:34.333
<v Speaker 3>you know, peraneal tear. Nothing, so I was super super fortunate.

0:25:34.693 --> 0:25:37.453
<v Speaker 3>I think one of the midwives said afterwards, well, I

0:25:37.453 --> 0:25:40.653
<v Speaker 3>think you're just a natural born berth, and I was like, great,

0:25:40.813 --> 0:25:43.453
<v Speaker 3>well there's my claim to fame. And they kept saying

0:25:43.493 --> 0:25:45.933
<v Speaker 3>that if we do decide to have another one, Nick

0:25:46.013 --> 0:25:49.812
<v Speaker 3>will probably have to learn how to deliver or I

0:25:50.253 --> 0:25:53.733
<v Speaker 3>literally stay opposite the hospital and come in as soon

0:25:53.773 --> 0:25:55.733
<v Speaker 3>as I feel that first contraction.

0:25:56.733 --> 0:26:01.093
<v Speaker 2>Wow, yep, this is not that long ago. Are you recovered?

0:26:01.133 --> 0:26:03.493
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I don't know. Like I.

0:26:05.053 --> 0:26:07.733
<v Speaker 3>Laugh about it now and I think, yeah, it's wild,

0:26:07.733 --> 0:26:10.413
<v Speaker 3>but I still get emotional, like even thinking about it.

0:26:10.453 --> 0:26:13.453
<v Speaker 3>Because I just remember sort of the shock and like

0:26:13.533 --> 0:26:16.493
<v Speaker 3>I do remember the fear I felt. But I'm also

0:26:16.613 --> 0:26:18.812
<v Speaker 3>very conscious of the fact that I've had almost like

0:26:18.853 --> 0:26:21.213
<v Speaker 3>the dream birth, I think as well, like for a

0:26:21.213 --> 0:26:24.133
<v Speaker 3>lot of women, you know, you labor for a very

0:26:24.173 --> 0:26:26.133
<v Speaker 3>long time and then a lot of you know, emergency

0:26:26.133 --> 0:26:28.813
<v Speaker 3>cesareans and that sort of thing. So I'm very aware

0:26:28.813 --> 0:26:31.453
<v Speaker 3>that I had a very fortunate birth as well.

0:26:31.573 --> 0:26:36.133
<v Speaker 2>What an amazing story. And did your dad make a

0:26:36.253 --> 0:26:36.532
<v Speaker 2>che us?

0:26:36.653 --> 0:26:39.893
<v Speaker 1>But no, never, he just got left on.

0:26:40.213 --> 0:26:40.413
<v Speaker 4>No.

0:26:40.693 --> 0:26:42.893
<v Speaker 3>I think I didn't see Dad until I think Mom

0:26:43.373 --> 0:26:46.213
<v Speaker 3>face timed him like well, obviously probably twenty minutes after

0:26:46.253 --> 0:26:48.693
<v Speaker 3>we left home. I don't think he was expecting us

0:26:48.733 --> 0:26:50.213
<v Speaker 3>to be calling with the news of a baby. I

0:26:50.213 --> 0:26:51.933
<v Speaker 3>think when Mum called him, he was like, how is she?

0:26:52.173 --> 0:26:54.173
<v Speaker 3>And then Mum just put the phone to my face

0:26:54.213 --> 0:26:56.373
<v Speaker 3>and yeah, there I was with the bub.

0:26:57.333 --> 0:26:59.253
<v Speaker 2>Marry Christmas, Grandpa and.

0:26:59.213 --> 0:27:02.453
<v Speaker 3>Gramby, I know, and I think we all obviously had

0:27:02.533 --> 0:27:05.693
<v Speaker 3>Christmas lunch plans, Nick with his family, me with my family,

0:27:05.773 --> 0:27:08.253
<v Speaker 3>so all of that got canned and yeah, it was

0:27:08.253 --> 0:27:10.293
<v Speaker 3>really nice. So we had both of our families come

0:27:10.333 --> 0:27:12.933
<v Speaker 3>in on Christmas Day and meet her. So it was

0:27:12.973 --> 0:27:15.213
<v Speaker 3>like the most special Christmas Day ever.

0:27:15.653 --> 0:27:20.292
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's beautiful. Is there anything that you would change

0:27:20.293 --> 0:27:23.253
<v Speaker 2>about that situation? Knowing what you know now?

0:27:23.653 --> 0:27:25.693
<v Speaker 3>The one thing my mom would like me to have

0:27:25.773 --> 0:27:28.372
<v Speaker 3>changed is to have let her know earlier that I

0:27:28.413 --> 0:27:31.053
<v Speaker 3>was in labor, because I think the poor thing said

0:27:31.053 --> 0:27:33.133
<v Speaker 3>that I've taken about ten years off her life because

0:27:33.173 --> 0:27:36.532
<v Speaker 3>seeing her daughter screaming like that and thinking that also

0:27:36.533 --> 0:27:39.292
<v Speaker 3>her grandchild may not have been in a good way,

0:27:39.373 --> 0:27:41.693
<v Speaker 3>and her child, she said that was just her fit.

0:27:41.773 --> 0:27:43.092
<v Speaker 3>She said, you know the love that you feel for

0:27:43.133 --> 0:27:45.013
<v Speaker 3>your child, now, that's what I have for you. And

0:27:45.213 --> 0:27:48.453
<v Speaker 3>then can you imagine, you know, your child screaming like that?

0:27:48.653 --> 0:27:51.213
<v Speaker 3>So she said, would it be nice if I knew

0:27:51.213 --> 0:27:53.013
<v Speaker 3>maybe you were in labor a little bit earlier? And

0:27:53.053 --> 0:27:54.613
<v Speaker 3>I said, Mom, it would have been nice to find

0:27:54.653 --> 0:27:56.973
<v Speaker 3>you I was in labor a bit earlier. I didn't

0:27:56.973 --> 0:28:00.173
<v Speaker 3>even know what's going on, So probably just that.

0:28:00.693 --> 0:28:05.013
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's an incredible story. Francesca, thank you, thank you.

0:28:12.293 --> 0:28:14.173
<v Speaker 2>Here a diary of a birth. We want you to

0:28:14.213 --> 0:28:16.933
<v Speaker 2>be armed with all the information. And today we have

0:28:17.053 --> 0:28:20.532
<v Speaker 2>obstitution and gynecologist doctor Bromin Devine to answer some of

0:28:20.533 --> 0:28:25.293
<v Speaker 2>her burning medical questions, So, how common is a precipitous

0:28:25.333 --> 0:28:26.853
<v Speaker 2>birth in a first pregnancy.

0:28:27.373 --> 0:28:30.853
<v Speaker 4>It's not super common for a woman in her first

0:28:31.213 --> 0:28:35.213
<v Speaker 4>or a person in their first labor to birth precipitously,

0:28:35.613 --> 0:28:38.813
<v Speaker 4>but it's not unheard of. What we tend to do

0:28:38.893 --> 0:28:41.293
<v Speaker 4>is say to people who are having their first baby, oh,

0:28:41.933 --> 0:28:44.413
<v Speaker 4>don't worry, you'll have plenty of time. There's plenty of

0:28:44.453 --> 0:28:46.933
<v Speaker 4>time to call the midwives and chat them through how

0:28:46.973 --> 0:28:48.933
<v Speaker 4>you're going, and they'll let you know whether you need

0:28:48.973 --> 0:28:51.933
<v Speaker 4>to come in. Because we do see people who've had

0:28:51.973 --> 0:28:55.453
<v Speaker 4>babies before, and certainly people who've had relatively quick labors

0:28:55.493 --> 0:28:59.293
<v Speaker 4>before have precipitous births, and sometimes births before they actually

0:28:59.333 --> 0:29:02.173
<v Speaker 4>get to hospital. But it's not at all common for

0:29:02.413 --> 0:29:06.173
<v Speaker 4>a woman in her first labor to labor quickly. We often,

0:29:06.373 --> 0:29:08.893
<v Speaker 4>you know, sort of we're really excited and happy for

0:29:09.013 --> 0:29:11.773
<v Speaker 4>people who have a quick labor because you know, oh,

0:29:11.933 --> 0:29:15.013
<v Speaker 4>lucky you you didn't have to endure hours and hours

0:29:15.013 --> 0:29:17.813
<v Speaker 4>of horrible labor pains. But you know, it can be

0:29:17.893 --> 0:29:21.333
<v Speaker 4>quite terrifying for someone who you know, can action start

0:29:21.333 --> 0:29:23.693
<v Speaker 4>and then all of a sudden, they're really hitting hard

0:29:23.733 --> 0:29:26.493
<v Speaker 4>and they're coming with great frequency and they're getting a

0:29:26.533 --> 0:29:29.093
<v Speaker 4>lot stronger really quickly, and then suddenly you know, there

0:29:29.133 --> 0:29:31.573
<v Speaker 4>can be an urge to push, which someone in their

0:29:31.613 --> 0:29:35.413
<v Speaker 4>first birth who hasn't labored before, you know, would find

0:29:35.773 --> 0:29:39.573
<v Speaker 4>really quite confronting in some ways. So precipitous births are

0:29:39.653 --> 0:29:41.693
<v Speaker 4>much more common, as I say, in women who've had

0:29:41.693 --> 0:29:44.693
<v Speaker 4>babies before, and certainly women who've had precipitous births before.

0:29:44.853 --> 0:29:47.173
<v Speaker 4>If someone comes to you and says, look, this is

0:29:47.213 --> 0:29:50.293
<v Speaker 4>my third baby and my first baby I barely made

0:29:50.333 --> 0:29:54.213
<v Speaker 4>it to the hospital, then you'll usually say, look, will

0:29:54.293 --> 0:29:56.693
<v Speaker 4>be really cautious, make sure that you know, as a

0:29:56.733 --> 0:29:58.933
<v Speaker 4>baby gets to be due, don't go too far from

0:29:58.933 --> 0:30:00.933
<v Speaker 4>the hospital. You know, I definitely don't take a trip

0:30:01.013 --> 0:30:02.853
<v Speaker 4>up from the Hunter or anything like that. Just stay

0:30:02.933 --> 0:30:05.853
<v Speaker 4>close by, you know, the minute you think things are happening,

0:30:05.933 --> 0:30:08.653
<v Speaker 4>let's just get you in. So we anticipate if someone's

0:30:08.693 --> 0:30:11.173
<v Speaker 4>had a precipitous birth before that they likely to do

0:30:11.213 --> 0:30:13.733
<v Speaker 4>it again. But in Francesca's case very different because it

0:30:13.813 --> 0:30:17.133
<v Speaker 4>was her first baby. Other things that can make labor

0:30:17.173 --> 0:30:18.933
<v Speaker 4>go faster. Sometimes if people have got a bit of

0:30:18.973 --> 0:30:21.773
<v Speaker 4>high blood pressure, it's all my like when they get

0:30:21.853 --> 0:30:24.693
<v Speaker 4>up to term, their body says, right, I've had enough

0:30:24.693 --> 0:30:26.693
<v Speaker 4>of this pregnancy. Now in your high blood pressure, it's

0:30:26.733 --> 0:30:28.773
<v Speaker 4>time to just get this show on the road, and

0:30:28.813 --> 0:30:31.213
<v Speaker 4>so your body just takes over and lets labor happen

0:30:31.293 --> 0:30:34.533
<v Speaker 4>quite quickly. So we do see that sometimes, and certainly

0:30:34.613 --> 0:30:38.133
<v Speaker 4>when babies are smaller or premature. A woman who's laboring

0:30:38.133 --> 0:30:41.773
<v Speaker 4>would say a prem baby can sometimes have quite a

0:30:41.773 --> 0:30:44.453
<v Speaker 4>close cervix and then an hour later be fully dilated.

0:30:44.533 --> 0:30:47.213
<v Speaker 4>So that's another reason. But in Francesca's case, it sounded

0:30:47.253 --> 0:30:50.333
<v Speaker 4>like she just was someone who is very good at

0:30:50.333 --> 0:30:53.133
<v Speaker 4>this and did it in a really rapid way. But

0:30:53.373 --> 0:30:57.213
<v Speaker 4>it definitely, you know, something that is scary, because she

0:30:57.293 --> 0:30:59.453
<v Speaker 4>would have probably gone to birth classes or spoke to

0:30:59.493 --> 0:31:01.973
<v Speaker 4>her friends or spoke to her care providers, and they

0:31:02.013 --> 0:31:06.573
<v Speaker 4>would have likely said, oh, you'll be fine, you've got hours,

0:31:06.653 --> 0:31:08.853
<v Speaker 4>You've got hours, and that you know, when people ring

0:31:08.933 --> 0:31:10.973
<v Speaker 4>up the hospital and they say, look, I'm my contractions

0:31:10.973 --> 0:31:13.173
<v Speaker 4>have started and I'm wondering if I should come in.

0:31:13.653 --> 0:31:16.573
<v Speaker 4>The midwives will oftense ask you to describe the contractions

0:31:16.613 --> 0:31:19.733
<v Speaker 4>you're having and how long they're lasting, and how long

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<v Speaker 4>they've been going on like that, and whether you know

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<v Speaker 4>you've had any bleeding or any fluid, come away, and

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<v Speaker 4>if the baby's moving and you're feeling well otherwise. So

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<v Speaker 4>they'll ask a lot of questions and then sometimes over

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<v Speaker 4>the phone, make an assessment. Look, it sounds like you're

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<v Speaker 4>not quite in good labor yet. I thinks stay at

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<v Speaker 4>home a little bit longer if you're happy to. And

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<v Speaker 4>you can always say, look, I know you think I

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<v Speaker 4>probably should stay home, but I really would like to

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<v Speaker 4>come in and just be checked out. I'm worried or

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<v Speaker 4>I'm anxious about you know, my mum had a very

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<v Speaker 4>fast birth, or my sister did you know that sort

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<v Speaker 4>of thing, So you can it's very much an individualized thing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not a hard and fast rule. You have to

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<v Speaker 4>stay at home until your contractions up this far apart

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<v Speaker 4>lasting this long for this amount of time. For some people,

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<v Speaker 4>they get contractions and they're worried, you know, they're just

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<v Speaker 4>not sure. It's always fine to go in. You can

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<v Speaker 4>always go home if you're in early labor and the

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<v Speaker 4>midwives think or your doctor thinks, that it's going to

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<v Speaker 4>be a while yet. And some people want to come

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<v Speaker 4>in in early labor and just be there because they

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<v Speaker 4>feel safer. This so it's we very much to visualize it,

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<v Speaker 4>but for Francesca, it sounded like she really just cracked on,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's you know, not at all common in your

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<v Speaker 4>first pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 2>Diary of a Birth was hosted by me Casseniya Lukitch,

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<v Speaker 2>with expert input from doctor Bronwin Devine. If you have

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<v Speaker 2>a birth story, we'd love to hear from you. Details

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<v Speaker 2>are in the show notes. This episode was produced by

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<v Speaker 2>Tina Mattiloff and myself Casseniya Lukitch, with audio production by

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<v Speaker 2>Leah Porges,