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Speaker 3: Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix.

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Speaker 2: I'm m Vernon and I'm Laura Brodnick.

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Speaker 3: And on the show today, we are talking about a

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Speaker 3: battle between two high profile influences in the US and

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Speaker 3: the entire backstory of what's come from that. We are

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Speaker 3: also talking about a specific scene that happened recently on

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Speaker 3: Maths Married at First Side between a couple during family

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Speaker 4: But first but First, A lot of us woke up

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Speaker 4: to some very very sad news this morning when it

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Speaker 4: was announced that Michelle Trachenberg, a beloved actress, had passed

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Speaker 4: away at the age of thirty nine. We weren't going

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Speaker 4: been a lot of reports of her suffering ill health

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Speaker 4: and then asked for privacy around the details. But I

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Speaker 4: think for a lot of people why this is so

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Speaker 4: sad is that This is an actress that we've all

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Speaker 4: grown up with that's been in so many of our

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Speaker 4: their favorite Michelle Trachenberg role. She had a really big

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Speaker 4: breakout role at the age of ten in Harriet the Spy,

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Speaker 4: who she had a really lovely message today. Went on

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Speaker 4: to be in a lot of different teen movies that

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Speaker 4: sad when someone who's on your favorite TV show passes away. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: To make me cry. She was on Buffy. Yeah, she

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Speaker 3: With her in that like brown leather jacket from Gossip

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Speaker 2: Those like everyone sharing their favorite roles.

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Speaker 3: It's really sad, really tragic death. And I feel like

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Speaker 2: So some breaking.

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Speaker 3: News in the influencer world. Influencer Alex Earl you would

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Speaker 3: They did an interview, they got on really well, and

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Speaker 3: hot Mess podcast. Yes, and it was a very very

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Speaker 3: A lot of speculation has been happening. I know we

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Speaker 4: Yes, this is one of those rumors that's been bubbling

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Speaker 3: And I think because I'm getting flashbacks from like the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Alex Clee split up.

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Speaker 4: Oh, and that whole situation with her former podcast network

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Speaker 4: I thought they were the same person. It's like, no,

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Speaker 3: For the longest time, I thought it was the same person.

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Speaker 3: Alex Cooper must be her stage name and.

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Speaker 4: Although when the first time I saw photos of them together,

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Speaker 4: Alex Earl was also a guest on Alex Cooper's Call

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Speaker 4: And from then on, like, they obviously seem to be

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Speaker 2: She sounds very like a Kardashian friendship. Oh right, how

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Speaker 3: Like Courtney and Addison Ray. It reminded me of.

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Speaker 4: That, Yeah, exactly, like it was a mutually beneficial agreement

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Speaker 4: And he said that, yeah, yeah, because they're having just

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Speaker 4: maybe they just had a business falling out. It happens

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, it's just stuff whole Alex people should have

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Speaker 4: known because it's happened to her before. Well exactly because

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Speaker 4: and Sophia Franklin, who was her original co host on

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Speaker 4: They just stopped doing the podcast for such a long time.

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Speaker 4: We found out how much their money they were making, any.

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Speaker 4: Dave Portnoy, who was the head of Barstol who owned

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Speaker 4: When Alex Cooper came back to do the podcast by herself,

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Speaker 4: podcast essentially. Obviously, Dave Portnoy has put himself. We've talked

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Speaker 4: from Taylor's swifted her concert. Yeah, And I was like,

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Speaker 4: So when Grace O'Malley left Barstool and went over to

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Speaker 4: a host who was also her best friend. Podcasts best

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Speaker 4: friend's business, it's a risky game. Lots of other people

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Speaker 2: Look at us biggest risk take that's because we weren't

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Speaker 4: And then when she left, Alex Cooper put up a

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Speaker 3: So basically what's been happening is from what I found out,

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Speaker 4: and we're going to come in hard. And otherwise, why

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Speaker 4: would you come into any public sce like that and

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Speaker 4: behave that way Like they were like, we're going to

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Speaker 4: come in and call her out and question her. And

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Speaker 4: then they're probably thinking when the show aired, they would

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Speaker 4: look like the amazing protective sisters and friends, because that

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Speaker 4: does happen sometimes when family members come in and everyone's like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: let the bad person have it.

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Speaker 3: It's always hated with family members. But it's interesting to

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Speaker 3: me that, even without knowing how it's going to look,

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Speaker 3: or even seeing the show and how Adrian has been

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Speaker 3: treating Athena, that you would come into a situation with

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Speaker 3: your brother who's an attractive straight man and a woman

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Speaker 3: who is like a single mother who like obviously seems

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Speaker 3: like really frazzled by the whole situation, that you would

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Speaker 3: just pile up on her.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand protecting your family. I would protect my

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Speaker 4: siblings and a setting like that, but only because I

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Speaker 4: know that they're not terrible people to my knowledge at least,

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Speaker 4: but I'm like, have you guys met Adrian, Like surely

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Speaker 4: you'd be like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that actually checks out, that story checks out.

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Speaker 4: I think obviously, once they've watched it back and they've

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Speaker 4: seen the huge public backlash, they might think differently about it.

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Speaker 4: So at Muma Mia, we interviewed Athena after the episode,

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Speaker 4: and she was talking about how terrible it made her

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Speaker 4: feel to see it back, and she did say that Jasmine,

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Speaker 4: the friend who was there, did message to apologize for

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Speaker 4: her behavior, which at first she was like, yeah, totally,

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Speaker 4: like I'm happy to accept apologies if people look at

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Speaker 4: their behavior and decide they're wrong.

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Speaker 3: And she did say that she's not friends with Adrian anymore,

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Speaker 3: but even me personally, which might sound like my friends

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Speaker 3: were probably so scared, But I feel like if I

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Speaker 3: was in that situation and I was like saying Jasmine's

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Speaker 3: shoes and it was like my best guy friend, like

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Speaker 3: I would think twice, because I'm like, even with your friends,

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Speaker 3: like you only see a certain side to them, Like

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Speaker 3: I've been treated so badly by guys, so I'm sure

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Speaker 3: are like seeing as like the best people in a.

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Speaker 2: Friend guy exactly, and you just never know, and.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I would be someone to always hear

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Speaker 3: out the woman regardless of my relationship.

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Speaker 4: Was like that exactly like how a friend treats you

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Speaker 4: might be very different to who they're treating. And as

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Speaker 4: we know, men often like treat women differently in terms

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Speaker 4: of like how they think they look and how they're

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Speaker 4: attracted to them in if they're a friend. So it's

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Speaker 4: like a very messy situation. But what I thought was

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Speaker 4: interesting that was when Athena was talking about Judsmine's apology,

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Speaker 4: she was like, but why didn't she apologize to me

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Speaker 4: after it actually happened.

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Speaker 2: Why did she wait for it to air on TV?

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Speaker 2: Which means that she's either worried.

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Speaker 4: This is me talking now of Athena's quote, which to

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Speaker 4: me means that she's either so taken back by the

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Speaker 4: public backlash and she's back paddling, or maybe she just

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Speaker 4: didn't realize until she saw it play back and she's

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Speaker 4: seen all the episodes leading up to it, and had

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Speaker 4: she would have seen.

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Speaker 3: Agan to behave and been like, oh, he actually is

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Speaker 3: an awful on the wrong side of history.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like a lot that's been happening.

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Speaker 3: But the whole exclusive interview that our senior entertainment producer

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Speaker 3: Tara did with Athena is absolutely brilliant. We will link

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Speaker 3: it in the show notes so you have the full

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Speaker 3: story as well as like she's talked about some of

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Speaker 3: the things that you didn't see on camera and it

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Speaker 3: just kind of all puts it together and makes sense.

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Speaker 2: We will link that. It's really good.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I just I also want people to kind

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Speaker 3: of dm us on their thoughts on maps to the

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Speaker 3: Spill Instagram at the Spill podcast, because I feel like

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Speaker 3: there's so much conversation happening about this, especially the dynamic

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Speaker 3: of like the three women and like the power of

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Speaker 3: like a three women friendship. I see it all the

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Speaker 3: time in pop culture, and this just feels like a

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Speaker 3: real life.

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Speaker 2: Example of that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to this bill today.

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Speaker 3: If you missed yesterday's episode, we talked about the Kardashians,

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Speaker 3: more specifically everything that happened behind the scenes with Northwest

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Speaker 3: performance for.

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Speaker 2: The Lion King. We got pretty heated about it. I

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Speaker 2: got quite a passion for our biggest an episode of

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Speaker 2: a year. I had very very.

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Speaker 3: Strong opinions about this child. This bill is produced by

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Speaker 3: Kimberly Bradish with sound production by Scott Stronik, And we'll

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Speaker 3: be back here in your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Bye by

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Speaker 4: Lan