1 00:00:10,855 --> 00:00:12,575 Speaker 1: Makeup is my therapy. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:15,244 Speaker 2: Obsessed and I don't 3 00:00:16,045 --> 00:00:16,454 Speaker 2: about it. 4 00:00:20,095 --> 00:00:23,154 Speaker 2: Hello, hello, and welcome back to You Beauty, the formula, 5 00:00:23,225 --> 00:00:27,535 Speaker 2: where we uncover the secrets behind beautiful makeup and skincare. 6 00:00:27,824 --> 00:00:31,705 Speaker 2: I'm Kelly McCarron, and buckle up because today's episode is 7 00:00:31,705 --> 00:00:36,105 Speaker 2: going to be epic. We've somehow convinced the absolute queen 8 00:00:36,105 --> 00:00:39,744 Speaker 2: of makeup, Melanie Burnicle, to join us in studio and 9 00:00:39,744 --> 00:00:43,225 Speaker 2: share her secrets. If you're thinking, Who's that? Well, where 10 00:00:43,225 --> 00:00:43,745 Speaker 2: have you been? 11 00:00:44,054 --> 00:00:46,975 Speaker 2: Mel has spent the past 20 years, actually closer to 12 00:00:46,975 --> 00:00:51,014 Speaker 2: 30 really, making Australia's hottest celebs look even hotter. We're 13 00:00:51,014 --> 00:00:55,824 Speaker 2: talking Sophie Monk, Jess Mauboy, Isabel Lucas, anyone whose face 14 00:00:55,824 --> 00:00:59,944 Speaker 2: you've probably saved on Pinterest as skin goals or makeup inspo. 15 00:01:00,464 --> 00:01:02,975 Speaker 2: She was also the makeup director for Revlon Australia and 16 00:01:02,975 --> 00:01:05,984 Speaker 2: New Zealand, and she now teaches other makeup wizards how 17 00:01:05,984 --> 00:01:10,865 Speaker 2: to build their beauty empires. I'm going to be shamelessly 18 00:01:10,865 --> 00:01:15,065 Speaker 2: fangirling while trying to extract every single juicy makeup secret 19 00:01:15,065 --> 00:01:18,544 Speaker 2: she's got. So let's dive into this beauty masterclass. You 20 00:01:18,544 --> 00:01:21,554 Speaker 2: have such beautiful skin, but how? 21 00:01:25,145 --> 00:01:28,425 Speaker 2: Mel, I'm obsessed with your story, and we need to 22 00:01:28,425 --> 00:01:31,705 Speaker 2: start with how on earth you went from dance studio 23 00:01:31,705 --> 00:01:36,065 Speaker 2: to becoming a makeup magician behind so many famous Aussie faces. 24 00:01:36,184 --> 00:01:39,705 Speaker 1: Yeah, coming from a dancing background, it was always colors, sparkle, 25 00:01:39,825 --> 00:01:43,175 Speaker 1: jazz hands, and there was always a sense of community. 26 00:01:43,264 --> 00:01:45,745 Speaker 1: It didn't matter what your skin color was, what your 27 00:01:45,745 --> 00:01:49,334 Speaker 1: gender was. If you could count 5678, you were on. 28 00:01:49,425 --> 00:01:51,855 Speaker 1: And it was this energy that just 29 00:01:52,254 --> 00:01:54,455 Speaker 1: It runs through you, and I just knew I couldn't 30 00:01:54,455 --> 00:01:56,294 Speaker 1: do a job. Well, I tried. I tried to do 31 00:01:56,294 --> 00:01:58,374 Speaker 1: an office job and I got severely depressed. Like, I 32 00:01:58,374 --> 00:02:01,374 Speaker 1: went through massive mental health issues because I just couldn't 33 00:02:01,374 --> 00:02:05,175 Speaker 1: be contained in that fire. Like it needed, I needed 34 00:02:05,175 --> 00:02:09,014 Speaker 1: to be creative. And I remember doing makeup summer school, 35 00:02:09,054 --> 00:02:12,554 Speaker 1: which I'd saved all my pennies for. And we had a, 36 00:02:12,654 --> 00:02:14,804 Speaker 1: like a makeup class in that, and the teacher was like, 37 00:02:14,974 --> 00:02:17,645 Speaker 1: You're really good at this. And then when I realized, like, 38 00:02:17,654 --> 00:02:18,375 Speaker 1: I was never 39 00:02:18,745 --> 00:02:20,924 Speaker 1: I probably could have made it as a professional dancer, 40 00:02:21,004 --> 00:02:23,625 Speaker 1: you know, moving on, but I just, I just kind 41 00:02:23,625 --> 00:02:26,754 Speaker 1: of lacked my own, you know, confidence at that point. 42 00:02:26,885 --> 00:02:28,485 Speaker 1: So I was like, am I good enough? And I 43 00:02:28,485 --> 00:02:31,275 Speaker 1: just questioned everything rather than just going, Yeah, I'm good enough. 44 00:02:31,724 --> 00:02:34,644 Speaker 1: And so I just kind of lost myself. But that 45 00:02:34,644 --> 00:02:36,844 Speaker 1: understanding of, I was good at makeup, never left. So 46 00:02:36,844 --> 00:02:40,004 Speaker 1: I was always doing people's makeup for shows, for, you know, 47 00:02:40,325 --> 00:02:42,444 Speaker 1: friends going out as we're getting older and then, 48 00:02:42,795 --> 00:02:45,545 Speaker 1: Yeah, after being severely depressed, being trapped in four walls 49 00:02:45,545 --> 00:02:49,364 Speaker 1: doing an office job that I just hated, I was like, Well, 50 00:02:49,905 --> 00:02:52,704 Speaker 1: what do I wanna do? And it was either neutropathy, 51 00:02:52,784 --> 00:02:55,694 Speaker 1: cause I liked looking at things natural and holistically for myself, 52 00:02:55,965 --> 00:02:57,985 Speaker 1: or makeup. And I'm like, Oh, I don't want a 53 00:02:57,985 --> 00:02:59,944 Speaker 1: lot more fun. I, I don't want to be responsible 54 00:02:59,944 --> 00:03:01,265 Speaker 1: for someone else's health. Like, 55 00:03:01,424 --> 00:03:01,985 Speaker 2: it's 56 00:03:01,985 --> 00:03:02,545 Speaker 2: good though. 57 00:03:02,924 --> 00:03:03,325 Speaker 2: Yes, 58 00:03:03,644 --> 00:03:04,144 Speaker 2: sign me up 59 00:03:04,144 --> 00:03:07,554 Speaker 1: 100%. And so it was just a really nice extension 60 00:03:07,554 --> 00:03:11,215 Speaker 1: of what I'd done, you know, in dancing, and I 61 00:03:11,215 --> 00:03:14,325 Speaker 1: was able to be creative and playful. And so, yeah, 62 00:03:14,644 --> 00:03:16,525 Speaker 1: research where I needed to go. Spoke to a friend 63 00:03:16,525 --> 00:03:19,045 Speaker 1: who was working in magazines, like, find out from the 64 00:03:19,045 --> 00:03:21,284 Speaker 1: makeup artist, like, which one's the best school? How do 65 00:03:21,284 --> 00:03:22,515 Speaker 1: I do this? And then, 66 00:03:22,864 --> 00:03:24,644 Speaker 1: You just put yourself out there. You obviously 67 00:03:24,644 --> 00:03:27,685 Speaker 2: worked really hard though, because talent will only get you 68 00:03:27,685 --> 00:03:28,355 Speaker 2: so far. 69 00:03:28,525 --> 00:03:31,924 Speaker 1: Well, and it's, it's a learned skill. And then it's 70 00:03:31,924 --> 00:03:33,804 Speaker 1: funny when you work in fashion, you have to unlearn it. 71 00:03:33,844 --> 00:03:36,965 Speaker 1: So you have to understand everything, but then you have 72 00:03:36,965 --> 00:03:39,114 Speaker 1: to break the rules, and that's where 73 00:03:39,159 --> 00:03:40,459 Speaker 1: You can have even more fun. 74 00:03:40,750 --> 00:03:40,900 Speaker 2: Yeah, 75 00:03:41,069 --> 00:03:44,030 Speaker 2: which, you know, is a lot of fun. Yeah. We're 76 00:03:44,030 --> 00:03:46,829 Speaker 2: gonna get into it a lot because we were talking 77 00:03:46,829 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: off mic about foundation because you were saying that Perry 78 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,670 Speaker 2: and you've got like rosacea and blotches and your skin, 79 00:03:53,750 --> 00:03:55,459 Speaker 2: because I was like, your skin. 80 00:03:56,504 --> 00:03:58,144 Speaker 2: Like I can see that you've got makeup on, but 81 00:03:58,144 --> 00:04:01,144 Speaker 2: it's not cakey at all. It doesn't look like you've 82 00:04:01,144 --> 00:04:03,655 Speaker 2: got much makeup on, but you must if you've got 83 00:04:03,784 --> 00:04:05,215 Speaker 2: rosacea and blotchiness under 84 00:04:05,215 --> 00:04:05,385 Speaker 2: there. 85 00:04:05,465 --> 00:04:07,284 Speaker 1: Yeah. So like, if you look at my skin, look, 86 00:04:07,465 --> 00:04:09,825 Speaker 1: I do look after it. I've had lots of treatments, 87 00:04:09,965 --> 00:04:13,224 Speaker 1: I do laser, I do a multitude of things to 88 00:04:13,224 --> 00:04:15,015 Speaker 1: really ensure that we keep 89 00:04:15,140 --> 00:04:19,049 Speaker 1: hydrated, especially during this time of perimenopause, cause it's intense. 90 00:04:19,129 --> 00:04:21,650 Speaker 1: But I do, like, my chin gets a little bit red, 91 00:04:21,890 --> 00:04:25,610 Speaker 1: across this area gets red, and I've got pigmentation through here, which, 92 00:04:25,849 --> 00:04:27,210 Speaker 1: you know, look, I've got rid of a lot of 93 00:04:27,210 --> 00:04:30,210 Speaker 1: my pigmentation with laser, but it's still quite prevalent through 94 00:04:30,210 --> 00:04:33,210 Speaker 1: this area. So, when you're working with the skin, so 95 00:04:33,210 --> 00:04:33,809 Speaker 1: I've got 96 00:04:34,504 --> 00:04:36,064 Speaker 1: Two different types of concealers on. 97 00:04:36,814 --> 00:04:39,885 Speaker 1: OK. And then, you know, you want that lit from within. 98 00:04:40,524 --> 00:04:44,194 Speaker 1: And that's this butter skin trend, that's skin. It's gone from, 99 00:04:44,244 --> 00:04:46,805 Speaker 1: you know, that kind of gloss and the dolphin skin 100 00:04:46,805 --> 00:04:49,244 Speaker 1: to the glass skin, and now you've got butter skin. 101 00:04:49,284 --> 00:04:52,124 Speaker 1: So it's that lit from within. So how I've done this, 102 00:04:52,165 --> 00:04:55,444 Speaker 1: I've used like the tart shape tape through here to 103 00:04:55,444 --> 00:04:57,085 Speaker 1: cover my pigmentation, put that. 104 00:04:57,184 --> 00:04:59,624 Speaker 1: On as a base and like matted it in. So 105 00:04:59,624 --> 00:05:03,494 Speaker 1: it will cover all of that pigmentation. And also, when 106 00:05:03,494 --> 00:05:07,135 Speaker 1: this starts to do this, you know, 48, um, 107 00:05:07,244 --> 00:05:09,135 Speaker 2: it's just, I reckon in your 20s, they start to 108 00:05:09,135 --> 00:05:10,165 Speaker 2: go a little bit. You just, 109 00:05:10,335 --> 00:05:11,784 Speaker 1: yeah. I'm a little frog 110 00:05:11,784 --> 00:05:12,094 Speaker 2: neck. 111 00:05:12,175 --> 00:05:15,494 Speaker 1: I'm close to 50, so it's, you know, it's really, it's, 112 00:05:15,504 --> 00:05:17,415 Speaker 1: it's there and it's like, you know. 113 00:05:18,274 --> 00:05:20,955 Speaker 1: But, you know, I don't want that to be seriously glowy, 114 00:05:20,964 --> 00:05:24,274 Speaker 1: because that's gonna add to that shine. It's gonna draw attention. Yeah, 115 00:05:24,355 --> 00:05:27,795 Speaker 1: so I've used a matte concealer underneath there, and then 116 00:05:27,795 --> 00:05:31,504 Speaker 1: through here, I've used the tart creaseless, because I love that. So, 117 00:05:31,754 --> 00:05:33,515 Speaker 1: in this area here, cause I am crease, you know, 118 00:05:33,555 --> 00:05:36,154 Speaker 1: I've got smile lines and I love. You know, it's 119 00:05:36,154 --> 00:05:38,314 Speaker 1: years of wisdom built in there, and I love that, 120 00:05:38,325 --> 00:05:40,034 Speaker 1: and I like that I have smile lines because it 121 00:05:40,034 --> 00:05:41,165 Speaker 1: means pretty happy. 122 00:05:42,024 --> 00:05:45,485 Speaker 1: But you don't want your heavy matte products looking dense 123 00:05:45,485 --> 00:05:47,594 Speaker 1: in that area. So that's why I use the creaseless, 124 00:05:47,605 --> 00:05:50,335 Speaker 1: and it keeps it creamy. And then, so after I 125 00:05:50,335 --> 00:05:52,645 Speaker 1: apply all of that, then I use the, this is 126 00:05:52,645 --> 00:05:56,434 Speaker 1: my favorite thing ever, the Rimmel Multitasker 3 in 1. 127 00:05:56,564 --> 00:05:58,964 Speaker 1: Have you tried that? Oh my God, it's called Better 128 00:05:58,964 --> 00:06:01,085 Speaker 1: Than Filters. I always say the wrong name. I call 129 00:06:01,085 --> 00:06:03,444 Speaker 1: it lots of different things cause for me, it's like 130 00:06:03,444 --> 00:06:04,124 Speaker 1: in everything. 131 00:06:04,524 --> 00:06:06,925 Speaker 1: But even if you just use that with nothing else, 132 00:06:07,175 --> 00:06:09,464 Speaker 1: it just kind of gets rid of the flaws, adds 133 00:06:09,464 --> 00:06:12,774 Speaker 1: glow to the skin. When you're using your brushes, brushes 134 00:06:12,774 --> 00:06:16,365 Speaker 1: are key. So depending on which brand you have, like, 135 00:06:16,374 --> 00:06:19,055 Speaker 1: I can give you some recommends that I love, but 136 00:06:19,055 --> 00:06:20,295 Speaker 1: you want to coat the. 137 00:06:20,665 --> 00:06:24,485 Speaker 1: onto the brush, and then lightly apply, rather than, you know, 138 00:06:24,615 --> 00:06:27,064 Speaker 1: and look, it's great when you're watching videos and the 139 00:06:27,064 --> 00:06:29,105 Speaker 1: tutorials are there and you see them dabbing all these 140 00:06:29,105 --> 00:06:31,504 Speaker 1: different dots on the face. That's great. But then you've 141 00:06:31,504 --> 00:06:34,024 Speaker 1: got to try and buff that out. So when you 142 00:06:34,024 --> 00:06:36,944 Speaker 1: coat the brush like a professional would do, and then 143 00:06:36,944 --> 00:06:40,434 Speaker 1: the brush is coated, you can use minimal application, minimal 144 00:06:40,434 --> 00:06:43,585 Speaker 1: product on the skin to ensure you're getting what you 145 00:06:43,585 --> 00:06:45,235 Speaker 1: need covered, but it doesn't. 146 00:06:45,705 --> 00:06:47,895 Speaker 1: You're not trying to buff that, you know, stuff into 147 00:06:47,895 --> 00:06:49,705 Speaker 1: the skin where it's really hard. 148 00:06:49,784 --> 00:06:50,654 Speaker 2: I also 149 00:06:50,654 --> 00:06:54,744 Speaker 2: think that it's worth remembering, like, of course, tutorials, online 150 00:06:54,744 --> 00:06:57,705 Speaker 2: tutorials have been a godsend for so many people and 151 00:06:57,705 --> 00:07:00,464 Speaker 2: learning how to do things and helping. But the thing 152 00:07:00,464 --> 00:07:04,934 Speaker 2: is with someone that's doing their makeup online is that 153 00:07:05,224 --> 00:07:06,705 Speaker 2: they look incredible online. 154 00:07:07,235 --> 00:07:10,034 Speaker 2: With the lighting in front of the camera. But when 155 00:07:10,034 --> 00:07:12,365 Speaker 2: you see that person in real life, it's like, whoa. 156 00:07:13,154 --> 00:07:15,024 Speaker 2: She got a lot of makeup on. Like you could, 157 00:07:15,075 --> 00:07:19,314 Speaker 2: it's all makeup, and it's very heavy. So, and that's 158 00:07:19,314 --> 00:07:21,955 Speaker 2: what can happen when you are sort of just applying 159 00:07:21,955 --> 00:07:23,034 Speaker 2: a lot of products straight to the 160 00:07:23,034 --> 00:07:23,365 Speaker 2: face. 161 00:07:23,434 --> 00:07:25,915 Speaker 1: And look, a lot of the tutorials are there to 162 00:07:25,915 --> 00:07:27,994 Speaker 1: show you where to place it. So they're showing you 163 00:07:27,994 --> 00:07:28,494 Speaker 1: where to put 164 00:07:28,545 --> 00:07:32,374 Speaker 1: Product, it's not necessarily sometimes the best technique. You want 165 00:07:32,374 --> 00:07:34,254 Speaker 1: to see where the product needs to go, and that's 166 00:07:34,254 --> 00:07:36,615 Speaker 1: what they're great for as well. But when you look 167 00:07:36,615 --> 00:07:39,254 Speaker 1: at someone like Katie Jane Hughes, she's a makeup artist 168 00:07:39,254 --> 00:07:42,494 Speaker 1: and she really talks and shares about coding the products, 169 00:07:42,504 --> 00:07:44,934 Speaker 1: and it's something as an artist that you do because 170 00:07:44,934 --> 00:07:48,055 Speaker 1: you understand it. But I think sometimes the general public 171 00:07:48,055 --> 00:07:49,895 Speaker 1: will just watch the tutorial and take it. 172 00:07:50,325 --> 00:07:52,964 Speaker 1: As is, rather than thinking, you know, a little bit 173 00:07:52,964 --> 00:07:55,765 Speaker 1: deeper into it, but it's OK, like we all learn 174 00:07:55,765 --> 00:07:59,124 Speaker 1: and it's always learning. It's not permanent, like it's fine 175 00:07:59,124 --> 00:08:01,925 Speaker 1: with it, you know, and explore, but these, the tutorials 176 00:08:01,925 --> 00:08:03,214 Speaker 1: are great for that. 177 00:08:03,684 --> 00:08:07,605 Speaker 2: When did you develop your foundation technique? Because is that 178 00:08:07,605 --> 00:08:09,374 Speaker 2: similar to how you would apply 179 00:08:09,684 --> 00:08:13,524 Speaker 2: Makeup on celebs, different people when you're doing their 180 00:08:13,524 --> 00:08:14,075 Speaker 2: makeup. 181 00:08:14,244 --> 00:08:17,955 Speaker 1: It varies for each different thing. So depending on the skin, 182 00:08:18,684 --> 00:08:21,274 Speaker 1: depending on the medium. So if I'm doing someone, say, 183 00:08:21,284 --> 00:08:24,284 Speaker 1: for a red carpet premiere, and they've got light, it's 184 00:08:24,284 --> 00:08:27,385 Speaker 1: gonna be coming at them, harsh, strong, you know, I 185 00:08:27,385 --> 00:08:29,404 Speaker 1: need to make sure that the makeup's gonna stand true 186 00:08:29,404 --> 00:08:33,205 Speaker 1: on that. And then also, it needs to hold up. Yeah. So, 187 00:08:33,244 --> 00:08:34,885 Speaker 1: as a joke one day, we were in a TV 188 00:08:34,885 --> 00:08:37,605 Speaker 1: studio and I was with one of my celebrities, and 189 00:08:37,605 --> 00:08:38,175 Speaker 1: they were just doing. 190 00:08:38,235 --> 00:08:40,665 Speaker 1: Like, you know, little lighting checks and bits and pieces. 191 00:08:40,705 --> 00:08:43,615 Speaker 1: And we literally, the light in there was so strong 192 00:08:43,904 --> 00:08:47,224 Speaker 1: that I drew a line of contour just here as 193 00:08:47,224 --> 00:08:49,774 Speaker 1: a joke, just where they went out for a lighting test, 194 00:08:50,024 --> 00:08:52,985 Speaker 1: and it looked blended. Like it was literally the darkest 195 00:08:52,985 --> 00:08:54,985 Speaker 1: line like this. It was literally just drawing a line. 196 00:08:55,065 --> 00:08:57,105 Speaker 1: There was no blending, but it just gave them a shadow. 197 00:08:57,185 --> 00:08:59,954 Speaker 1: But on camera, it looked like, because the light was 198 00:08:59,954 --> 00:09:03,065 Speaker 1: so intense. So that's when you need to understand the 199 00:09:03,065 --> 00:09:05,855 Speaker 1: medium that you're working with. Best thing I could suggest 200 00:09:05,855 --> 00:09:06,844 Speaker 1: to people, if you know it 201 00:09:06,894 --> 00:09:08,795 Speaker 1: Your wedding day and you're gonna have flash going off 202 00:09:08,795 --> 00:09:11,534 Speaker 1: on you all day, do your makeup under the right light, 203 00:09:12,445 --> 00:09:16,094 Speaker 1: and have your makeup done under a light. Because if 204 00:09:16,094 --> 00:09:18,764 Speaker 1: you do your makeup just in natural light, or in 205 00:09:18,764 --> 00:09:21,154 Speaker 1: a dark light, then it may not be enough to 206 00:09:21,154 --> 00:09:24,084 Speaker 1: present for what you're needing it for. But then when 207 00:09:24,084 --> 00:09:26,805 Speaker 1: the red carpets, you've got these big like red headlights, 208 00:09:26,844 --> 00:09:29,165 Speaker 1: which are intense, and then other times you're shooting a 209 00:09:29,165 --> 00:09:31,084 Speaker 1: mad cover and they're like, Oh, OK, cool. We're shooting 210 00:09:31,084 --> 00:09:33,165 Speaker 1: in this beautiful like venue and the light's coming in 211 00:09:33,165 --> 00:09:35,404 Speaker 1: from outside. We're only gonna put like a fill in. 212 00:09:36,034 --> 00:09:38,844 Speaker 1: And so, when you're working with natural light, it can 213 00:09:38,844 --> 00:09:41,605 Speaker 1: look quite flat. So then you've got to create dimension. 214 00:09:41,764 --> 00:09:42,005 Speaker 2: That's 215 00:09:42,005 --> 00:09:44,844 Speaker 2: such a good point because even we were, I saw 216 00:09:44,844 --> 00:09:47,175 Speaker 2: a video from a different episode where 217 00:09:47,745 --> 00:09:51,584 Speaker 2: We'd been shooting in a different studio, and that's a 218 00:09:51,584 --> 00:09:53,605 Speaker 2: lot of lights in that room. And I was like, 219 00:09:53,735 --> 00:09:55,105 Speaker 2: Oh my God, it looks like and I had a 220 00:09:55,105 --> 00:09:56,774 Speaker 2: lot of makeup on that day. It did not look 221 00:09:56,774 --> 00:09:58,425 Speaker 2: like I had much makeup on, and it looked like 222 00:09:58,425 --> 00:10:00,724 Speaker 2: I didn't have eyebrows. Yeah. Cause I did not make 223 00:10:00,724 --> 00:10:02,815 Speaker 2: them dark enough to appear on camera. 224 00:10:02,875 --> 00:10:06,584 Speaker 1: And that's the thing. So when you understand the medium 225 00:10:06,584 --> 00:10:08,884 Speaker 1: that you're working with, whether it's still 226 00:10:08,930 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: Moving picture, or, you know, you just want to look great. 227 00:10:11,259 --> 00:10:13,349 Speaker 1: Or if you know you're walking around with a selfie light, 228 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:15,860 Speaker 1: do your makeup under something that bright. Because if you're 229 00:10:15,860 --> 00:10:18,029 Speaker 1: not gonna take a photo with yourself without that light, 230 00:10:18,199 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: the makeup needs to stand up to that 231 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:20,469 Speaker 1: light. 232 00:10:20,719 --> 00:10:24,250 Speaker 2: And that's why it might actually look though, in natural light, 233 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 2: a little bit whoa. And you might get a little 234 00:10:27,199 --> 00:10:30,159 Speaker 2: bit shocked, but it's going to translate beautifully. 235 00:10:30,665 --> 00:10:32,844 Speaker 2: On camera. It would be so hard for your wedding 236 00:10:32,844 --> 00:10:35,175 Speaker 2: day though, cause you're like, I wanna look really pretty, 237 00:10:35,824 --> 00:10:37,945 Speaker 2: but I also wanna look good in my photos because 238 00:10:37,945 --> 00:10:39,574 Speaker 2: I'm spending a lot of money on them. 239 00:10:39,704 --> 00:10:41,534 Speaker 1: So this is the key to a good makeup artist. 240 00:10:41,665 --> 00:10:43,894 Speaker 1: They'll also understand that a lot of your photos aren't 241 00:10:43,894 --> 00:10:46,425 Speaker 1: tight beauty shots on the day. So the makeup needs 242 00:10:46,425 --> 00:10:48,665 Speaker 1: to stand true at a full length shot, at a 243 00:10:48,665 --> 00:10:50,654 Speaker 1: 3-quarter shot, and a close up. So, 244 00:10:51,485 --> 00:10:53,654 Speaker 1: I take my hat off to a wedding makeup artists 245 00:10:53,654 --> 00:10:54,514 Speaker 1: because they 246 00:10:54,514 --> 00:10:55,355 Speaker 2: also dealing with the 247 00:10:55,355 --> 00:10:56,195 Speaker 2: moods. 248 00:10:57,365 --> 00:10:58,954 Speaker 1: We have magic wands. 249 00:11:00,665 --> 00:11:03,435 Speaker 1: Well, yeah. Well, you learn to read energy. So you 250 00:11:03,435 --> 00:11:07,774 Speaker 1: read energy and also you check your ego at the door. Yeah. So, 251 00:11:08,024 --> 00:11:11,334 Speaker 1: if someone's coming at you with negative energy and you're nervous, 252 00:11:11,784 --> 00:11:13,945 Speaker 1: you're feeding that energy, and then there's literally a blow 253 00:11:13,945 --> 00:11:16,774 Speaker 1: up at some point, ah, someone has a mental breakdown. 254 00:11:17,024 --> 00:11:18,714 Speaker 1: And you do that when you're first starting out in makeup. 255 00:11:18,745 --> 00:11:20,474 Speaker 1: I thought, I'm never doing a wedding again. I'm like, 256 00:11:20,625 --> 00:11:23,495 Speaker 1: so stressful. The bride was in tears, she was having 257 00:11:23,495 --> 00:11:26,264 Speaker 1: a meltdown. I was like, What is going on? 258 00:11:26,805 --> 00:11:29,195 Speaker 2: Gosh, that's a great point. I don't think I've ever 259 00:11:29,485 --> 00:11:32,844 Speaker 2: had my makeup done and felt anything but calmness from 260 00:11:32,844 --> 00:11:36,115 Speaker 2: the makeup artist. And I bring a lot of, like, 261 00:11:36,524 --> 00:11:37,654 Speaker 2: high energy. I was gonna 262 00:11:37,654 --> 00:11:39,514 Speaker 1: say you're fire energy, which is great. 263 00:11:39,764 --> 00:11:42,514 Speaker 2: But I can imagine though, then they sort of like, 264 00:11:42,524 --> 00:11:46,394 Speaker 2: let's keep her calm so that I'm not sitting there going, Woo. 265 00:11:47,065 --> 00:11:49,534 Speaker 1: Oh, I think that the person in the chair has 266 00:11:49,534 --> 00:11:52,685 Speaker 1: to be ready to perform. And however you get ready, 267 00:11:52,935 --> 00:11:55,334 Speaker 1: that's however you get ready. If you like that energy 268 00:11:55,334 --> 00:11:57,815 Speaker 1: and you're chatty and you're like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. My job, 269 00:11:57,894 --> 00:12:00,375 Speaker 1: and that's how you get ready to perform. My job 270 00:12:00,375 --> 00:12:03,534 Speaker 1: isn't to calm that down. My energy is just to 271 00:12:03,844 --> 00:12:06,415 Speaker 1: You know, not go too crazy with you, so then 272 00:12:06,415 --> 00:12:07,555 Speaker 1: it gets too high. 273 00:12:07,735 --> 00:12:11,415 Speaker 2: It's so interesting that when you are, like, when you're 274 00:12:11,415 --> 00:12:14,724 Speaker 2: working with people, how much energy has to play. 275 00:12:15,014 --> 00:12:18,495 Speaker 1: For me, it's everything in every single dynamic, and if 276 00:12:18,495 --> 00:12:21,144 Speaker 1: you can be present and aware. 277 00:12:21,634 --> 00:12:24,555 Speaker 1: As an artist, and most people are present, and they 278 00:12:24,555 --> 00:12:27,555 Speaker 1: don't realize, so many artists I speak to don't realize 279 00:12:27,555 --> 00:12:30,425 Speaker 1: the gift that they bring with them, but they create 280 00:12:30,425 --> 00:12:32,555 Speaker 1: this space. It's like when you walk into a yoga 281 00:12:32,555 --> 00:12:34,464 Speaker 1: studio and you've got this, you walk in, you go 282 00:12:34,464 --> 00:12:37,185 Speaker 1: and you go, Yeah. And makeup artists do that quite often. 283 00:12:37,315 --> 00:12:40,315 Speaker 1: They understand that I'm in your personal space, this is 284 00:12:40,315 --> 00:12:42,884 Speaker 1: your moment. How can I be of service? 285 00:12:43,255 --> 00:12:43,844 Speaker 1: And they do it 286 00:12:43,844 --> 00:12:45,165 Speaker 2: without you 287 00:12:45,165 --> 00:12:48,995 Speaker 2: realizing that they're trying to manipulate your energy or help 288 00:12:48,995 --> 00:12:50,245 Speaker 2: you with yours. Yeah, it's such 289 00:12:50,245 --> 00:12:50,954 Speaker 2: a gift. 290 00:12:51,165 --> 00:12:53,355 Speaker 1: There's lots of things that you can do to help 291 00:12:53,355 --> 00:12:56,555 Speaker 1: people in that space. And when people have fear sometimes 292 00:12:56,555 --> 00:12:59,445 Speaker 1: and nervous energy, it can come out in all different ways. 293 00:12:59,805 --> 00:13:02,675 Speaker 1: And I have to just allow that. It's not about me. 294 00:13:02,805 --> 00:13:04,284 Speaker 1: It's like, what can I do in this moment to 295 00:13:04,284 --> 00:13:04,894 Speaker 1: be kind? 296 00:13:05,435 --> 00:13:08,394 Speaker 1: And that's free. I'm sure it's probably why I get books. 297 00:13:08,404 --> 00:13:09,204 Speaker 1: I don't. I was about to 298 00:13:09,204 --> 00:13:09,654 Speaker 1: say, 299 00:13:09,805 --> 00:13:12,284 Speaker 2: I'd say it has a lot to do with your 300 00:13:12,284 --> 00:13:15,565 Speaker 2: success because people would then want to work with you again. 301 00:13:15,644 --> 00:13:17,805 Speaker 2: You always remember someone that you have a really good 302 00:13:17,805 --> 00:13:20,175 Speaker 2: experience with, cause you can get your makeup done. 303 00:13:20,415 --> 00:13:22,935 Speaker 2: By a lot of different talented people. But if you 304 00:13:22,935 --> 00:13:26,485 Speaker 2: remember someone's energy and how they made you feel, gosh, 305 00:13:26,565 --> 00:13:27,274 Speaker 2: that will get 306 00:13:27,274 --> 00:13:28,355 Speaker 2: you so far. 307 00:13:28,445 --> 00:13:30,404 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, one of my favorite things to 308 00:13:30,404 --> 00:13:33,125 Speaker 1: do is to start off with a face massage, because 309 00:13:33,125 --> 00:13:36,474 Speaker 1: someone walks into the room and this happens, they're like, 310 00:13:36,565 --> 00:13:38,685 Speaker 1: they're rushing from this, rushing from that, then they've got 311 00:13:38,685 --> 00:13:40,805 Speaker 1: about an hour with me before they're on set, and 312 00:13:40,805 --> 00:13:41,045 Speaker 1: they're like, 313 00:13:42,264 --> 00:13:44,134 Speaker 1: And they're like, you know, I've got so much going on. 314 00:13:44,195 --> 00:13:46,295 Speaker 1: I'm like, OK, great. How do you like this? Yeah, OK, 315 00:13:46,334 --> 00:13:48,024 Speaker 1: we have a conversation. I'm like, What do you need 316 00:13:48,024 --> 00:13:49,464 Speaker 1: right now? They're like, Oh, I just need to post it. 317 00:13:49,574 --> 00:13:51,214 Speaker 1: I'm like, Great, close your eyes. I'll let you know 318 00:13:51,214 --> 00:13:53,454 Speaker 1: when I need anything from you. Apart from that, this 319 00:13:53,454 --> 00:13:55,695 Speaker 1: is your time. And all of a sudden, you'll see 320 00:13:55,695 --> 00:13:58,495 Speaker 1: them go, Oh, someone's giving me, they're asking what I 321 00:13:58,495 --> 00:14:00,495 Speaker 1: need when I've got to be giving all day for 322 00:14:00,495 --> 00:14:03,654 Speaker 1: other people. One, they feel seen and heard, and then two, 323 00:14:03,735 --> 00:14:05,365 Speaker 1: when you start touching people, 324 00:14:06,274 --> 00:14:08,545 Speaker 1: Touch is such a beautiful gift as well, because you 325 00:14:08,545 --> 00:14:12,495 Speaker 1: can really show your strength, because you're comfortable touching the 326 00:14:12,495 --> 00:14:15,045 Speaker 1: skin and the face and giving them a face massage. 327 00:14:15,274 --> 00:14:18,685 Speaker 1: One look, for me, it makes the skin. I'm doing 328 00:14:18,685 --> 00:14:20,894 Speaker 1: it for my benefit as well because the makeup's gonna 329 00:14:20,894 --> 00:14:23,214 Speaker 1: sit really well if I prep the skin really. 330 00:14:23,324 --> 00:14:25,274 Speaker 1: Well. But if I can bring that skin to life 331 00:14:25,274 --> 00:14:27,704 Speaker 1: at the same time as calming you, and then you 332 00:14:27,704 --> 00:14:30,555 Speaker 1: feel comfortable because the way I've touched your face, I 333 00:14:30,555 --> 00:14:32,875 Speaker 1: guarantee you so many people have gone, do whatever you want. 334 00:14:33,105 --> 00:14:34,784 Speaker 1: As soon as I've done that 5 minute face massage, 335 00:14:34,915 --> 00:14:37,474 Speaker 1: even if I don't have time to do it, and 336 00:14:37,474 --> 00:14:40,074 Speaker 1: they're like, you know, we're like, No, we've got 25 minutes. 337 00:14:40,195 --> 00:14:40,555 Speaker 1: I'm like, 338 00:14:41,615 --> 00:14:43,884 Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm doing that face massage. One, the 339 00:14:43,884 --> 00:14:46,084 Speaker 1: person in the chair gets to relax. They're not gonna 340 00:14:46,084 --> 00:14:47,964 Speaker 1: be fidgety as much, and then I can do my 341 00:14:47,964 --> 00:14:48,675 Speaker 1: job quicker. 342 00:14:49,165 --> 00:14:49,605 Speaker 2: So rather 343 00:14:49,605 --> 00:14:50,524 Speaker 2: than them moving and you 344 00:14:50,524 --> 00:14:51,204 Speaker 2: have to be like, 345 00:14:51,365 --> 00:14:53,514 Speaker 1: it changes everything. 346 00:14:53,764 --> 00:14:56,644 Speaker 2: I love starting makeup off with a facial massage, and 347 00:14:56,644 --> 00:14:59,045 Speaker 2: I often talk about how it's often the first step 348 00:14:59,045 --> 00:15:02,445 Speaker 2: that a makeup artist will do. What do you use 349 00:15:02,445 --> 00:15:03,875 Speaker 2: to do your facial massage? 350 00:15:04,204 --> 00:15:04,795 Speaker 1: My favorite. 351 00:15:04,967 --> 00:15:09,157 Speaker 1: Is the Hadalabo, the super hydration lotion one. It's so good. 352 00:15:09,237 --> 00:15:11,958 Speaker 1: And the product doesn't dry out too quickly. Like you've 353 00:15:11,958 --> 00:15:14,157 Speaker 1: got time to work it in, and then you're building 354 00:15:14,157 --> 00:15:17,277 Speaker 1: all that beautiful hyaluronic into the skin, and it just 355 00:15:17,277 --> 00:15:20,357 Speaker 1: keeps plumping, plumping, and people go, What? What are you using? 356 00:15:20,438 --> 00:15:21,907 Speaker 1: What do you do? Like, how do you do 357 00:15:21,907 --> 00:15:22,797 Speaker 2: you can go get 358 00:15:22,797 --> 00:15:22,958 Speaker 1: it 359 00:15:22,958 --> 00:15:24,037 Speaker 2: from Priceline. It's not 360 00:15:24,037 --> 00:15:24,508 Speaker 2: expensive. 361 00:15:25,037 --> 00:15:27,667 Speaker 1: Foundation for me, spend the cash. 362 00:15:27,998 --> 00:15:28,268 Speaker 2: So 363 00:15:28,321 --> 00:15:30,631 Speaker 2: Well, what are some of your favorite foundations if you 364 00:15:30,631 --> 00:15:33,271 Speaker 2: think that's what I'm like, Whoa, OK, you think it's 365 00:15:33,271 --> 00:15:37,341 Speaker 2: worth spending money on the foundation. I love foundation, like, 366 00:15:37,391 --> 00:15:39,831 Speaker 2: and it's so annoying though when they're so expensive. 367 00:15:40,711 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: The way I look at it, that's most of the face. 368 00:15:43,670 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: So it also 369 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:45,310 Speaker 2: lasts a long time. You 370 00:15:45,310 --> 00:15:49,141 Speaker 1: get that, right? Every little accent you do, with an eyeline, 371 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,281 Speaker 1: with a lip, with a brow, with a lash, it 372 00:15:52,281 --> 00:15:54,701 Speaker 1: all just pops. But if you get that wrong, 373 00:15:55,105 --> 00:15:55,945 Speaker 1: You've seen, yeah, 374 00:15:56,384 --> 00:15:56,755 Speaker 2: not good, 375 00:15:56,904 --> 00:15:59,185 Speaker 1: doesn't look good. I remember in the 90s, I was 376 00:15:59,185 --> 00:16:02,904 Speaker 1: like a thick, you know, matte. I reckon I look 377 00:16:02,904 --> 00:16:04,904 Speaker 1: younger now looking back at those photos. Oh, 378 00:16:05,024 --> 00:16:05,995 Speaker 2: I completely 379 00:16:05,995 --> 00:16:06,545 Speaker 2: agree. 380 00:16:08,005 --> 00:16:12,274 Speaker 1: But my favorite foundations, the It Cosmetics CC Cream. Love, love, love. 381 00:16:12,565 --> 00:16:15,245 Speaker 1: And then I've got the Chanel in my kit, the 382 00:16:15,245 --> 00:16:18,394 Speaker 1: Les Beigess, and I'm probably saying my French very long. 383 00:16:18,605 --> 00:16:21,884 Speaker 1: And also the Vita Lumiere, two very different products. The 384 00:16:21,884 --> 00:16:22,834 Speaker 1: Vita Lumiere will 385 00:16:22,834 --> 00:16:23,685 Speaker 2: have heard of that one. 386 00:16:23,764 --> 00:16:27,844 Speaker 1: It's fabulous, like beautiful glow. You can shear it right out. 387 00:16:27,884 --> 00:16:32,045 Speaker 1: The Lesbeigias, more coverage, still beautiful glow. The Make Up 388 00:16:32,045 --> 00:16:32,365 Speaker 1: For Ever. 389 00:16:32,519 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: HD skin. It's really one of those great products where 390 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,699 Speaker 1: I can have sheer skin for a fashion shoot, where 391 00:16:37,699 --> 00:16:40,399 Speaker 1: it's that no makeup makeup look. I can really shear 392 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:43,310 Speaker 1: it out, or you can do a layer and build 393 00:16:43,310 --> 00:16:46,430 Speaker 1: and build and delicately work with it. It's a great product. 394 00:16:46,849 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: Let's touch on makeup crimes quickly. What makes you want 395 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,279 Speaker 2: to chase strangers down the street with makeup wipes? What 396 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:55,959 Speaker 2: do you think we're getting really, really wrong with our 397 00:16:55,959 --> 00:16:56,839 Speaker 2: everyday looks? 398 00:16:57,375 --> 00:17:02,005 Speaker 1: Look, I think sometimes, look, even for me, as I'm aging, 399 00:17:02,255 --> 00:17:04,055 Speaker 1: and in the last couple of years being unwell, like, 400 00:17:04,065 --> 00:17:06,134 Speaker 1: I'm just not going to get Botox and I'm not 401 00:17:06,134 --> 00:17:08,695 Speaker 1: doing those things. So what I've noticed, like, this is 402 00:17:08,695 --> 00:17:11,534 Speaker 1: kind of like sitting, and I can't do my eye 403 00:17:11,534 --> 00:17:13,245 Speaker 1: makeup how I used to do it. And I think 404 00:17:13,245 --> 00:17:15,634 Speaker 1: one of the main key things that people sort of 405 00:17:16,103 --> 00:17:19,824 Speaker 1: Don't get right at any age is when you're wanting 406 00:17:19,824 --> 00:17:22,463 Speaker 1: that youthful look and keeping the eye open and keeping 407 00:17:22,463 --> 00:17:26,304 Speaker 1: a beautiful look to the makeup, is extending the eye 408 00:17:26,304 --> 00:17:29,583 Speaker 1: shadow too far. So what happens is sometimes when you're 409 00:17:29,583 --> 00:17:32,583 Speaker 1: following the natural shape of the eye, because it's curved, 410 00:17:32,944 --> 00:17:36,144 Speaker 1: most eye shapes have a roundedness to them. So if 411 00:17:36,144 --> 00:17:39,184 Speaker 1: you're following that whole line down, and then as you're 412 00:17:39,184 --> 00:17:42,013 Speaker 1: getting older, you're getting creases in this area as well. 413 00:17:42,945 --> 00:17:45,925 Speaker 1: It's gonna start to pull the outside of the eye down. Also, 414 00:17:46,055 --> 00:17:49,575 Speaker 1: you're gonna create more shadow area in this area, which 415 00:17:49,575 --> 00:17:52,014 Speaker 1: just isn't flattering. Look, if you're going for a fashion 416 00:17:52,014 --> 00:17:54,415 Speaker 1: look and you want to pull something out here, I'm 417 00:17:54,415 --> 00:17:58,295 Speaker 1: never gonna stop you. I, I don't love rules. Break them. um, 418 00:17:59,494 --> 00:18:01,264 Speaker 1: but if you're going for that look. 419 00:18:01,325 --> 00:18:03,945 Speaker 1: Where you want everything to be youthful and you want 420 00:18:03,945 --> 00:18:07,624 Speaker 1: to keep that uplifted feel to the makeup. You wanna 421 00:18:07,624 --> 00:18:09,315 Speaker 1: keep it, you know, when you're doing your brows, where 422 00:18:09,315 --> 00:18:11,475 Speaker 1: your finishing point is? You know, when you've got like 423 00:18:11,475 --> 00:18:13,815 Speaker 1: a pencil or a pen, and you're going out to 424 00:18:13,815 --> 00:18:16,514 Speaker 1: the outside edge of the nose, to the outside edge 425 00:18:16,514 --> 00:18:18,994 Speaker 1: of the eye, and keep it in, keep it in 426 00:18:18,994 --> 00:18:22,504 Speaker 1: that line. As soon as you pull it one like 427 00:18:22,504 --> 00:18:25,394 Speaker 1: tiny little millimeter outside of that, it's gonna start to 428 00:18:25,394 --> 00:18:26,195 Speaker 1: pull the eye down. 429 00:18:26,744 --> 00:18:31,685 Speaker 1: So keeping everything in this area. But so many people 430 00:18:31,685 --> 00:18:34,014 Speaker 1: think you've gotta go, Oh, I've done all this work 431 00:18:34,014 --> 00:18:36,034 Speaker 1: on my skin, I've done all of this. I need 432 00:18:36,034 --> 00:18:38,305 Speaker 1: to go and get makeup remover, take it all off. 433 00:18:38,514 --> 00:18:41,955 Speaker 1: Best thing you can ever do is keep your concealer 434 00:18:41,955 --> 00:18:45,795 Speaker 1: and foundation products on the brush. And then, again, in 435 00:18:45,795 --> 00:18:48,705 Speaker 1: that line, just go, yeah, and just sweep it off, 436 00:18:48,784 --> 00:18:50,435 Speaker 1: because so many people think, Take it all off. And 437 00:18:50,435 --> 00:18:52,994 Speaker 1: then you're really taking off all that hydration, you're taking 438 00:18:52,994 --> 00:18:53,754 Speaker 1: off everything. 439 00:18:54,144 --> 00:18:57,575 Speaker 1: That little with the concealer or the foundation just to 440 00:18:58,024 --> 00:19:00,465 Speaker 1: clean it up. I always tell people as well, don't 441 00:19:00,465 --> 00:19:03,065 Speaker 1: be scared to use your fingertips in your own products 442 00:19:03,065 --> 00:19:05,295 Speaker 1: and on your own face, like when you're doing certain like, 443 00:19:05,305 --> 00:19:05,945 Speaker 1: They're the best tools 444 00:19:05,945 --> 00:19:06,104 Speaker 2: and 445 00:19:06,104 --> 00:19:07,075 Speaker 2: they warm up 446 00:19:07,305 --> 00:19:08,055 Speaker 2: the product. 447 00:19:08,225 --> 00:19:11,504 Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's a great tip for foundation. So in winter, 448 00:19:11,555 --> 00:19:13,945 Speaker 1: in the colder months, I put the foundation on the 449 00:19:13,945 --> 00:19:16,624 Speaker 1: back of my hand, body temperature warms it up. 450 00:19:17,024 --> 00:19:19,734 Speaker 1: And then once the body temperature warms it up, then 451 00:19:19,734 --> 00:19:21,614 Speaker 1: it's sitting at the same temperature as what the face 452 00:19:21,614 --> 00:19:25,195 Speaker 1: will be. There's some really affordable makeup brushes, like the 453 00:19:25,195 --> 00:19:29,175 Speaker 1: real techniques. Their face brushes are incredible. I love the 454 00:19:29,175 --> 00:19:32,575 Speaker 1: Ray Morris brushes, beautiful. And then also the 455 00:19:32,624 --> 00:19:37,575 Speaker 1: Like Kitco love order those online. But those three brands, look, 456 00:19:37,695 --> 00:19:40,254 Speaker 1: it depends what your budget is, but there are great 457 00:19:40,254 --> 00:19:43,705 Speaker 1: products like Real Techniques, which are affordable. But then your 458 00:19:43,705 --> 00:19:46,134 Speaker 1: products like your Ray Morris brushes, you, when you go 459 00:19:46,134 --> 00:19:49,075 Speaker 1: to do an eyeline, when you go, you go, Ah, 460 00:19:49,374 --> 00:19:52,534 Speaker 1: it makes it so much easier sometimes with different brushes. 461 00:19:52,575 --> 00:19:56,514 Speaker 1: So having the right tools really makes the application process easy. 462 00:19:56,575 --> 00:19:57,185 Speaker 1: But again, 463 00:19:57,614 --> 00:20:00,595 Speaker 1: There's great brushes at all different price points, so don't 464 00:20:00,595 --> 00:20:02,825 Speaker 1: think just because something's in Priceline, then it's not great, 465 00:20:02,874 --> 00:20:03,744 Speaker 1: go and try it. 466 00:20:03,874 --> 00:20:04,195 Speaker 2: Yeah. 467 00:20:09,085 --> 00:20:11,124 Speaker 2: If your makeup kit was on fire, and you could 468 00:20:11,124 --> 00:20:13,315 Speaker 2: only save 5 products, what would they be? 469 00:20:14,764 --> 00:20:15,965 Speaker 1: I just, I nearly had anxiety. Yeah, 470 00:20:16,045 --> 00:20:18,165 Speaker 2: I feel a little bit of anxiety just even asking 471 00:20:18,165 --> 00:20:20,004 Speaker 2: it because I'm like, I don't know. OK, 472 00:20:20,085 --> 00:20:23,465 Speaker 1: you're talking to someone who took 26 lipsticks to Bali. 473 00:20:23,845 --> 00:20:27,685 Speaker 2: Oh, OK, yeah, that was a silly question, really. 2, like, 474 00:20:27,764 --> 00:20:28,965 Speaker 2: were you wanna shoot there? 475 00:20:29,165 --> 00:20:29,614 Speaker 1: No. 476 00:20:29,845 --> 00:20:31,845 Speaker 2: That was just for fun, and you took 26. 477 00:20:31,955 --> 00:20:33,864 Speaker 2: Flip products. You're gonna have a heart attack. I went 478 00:20:33,864 --> 00:20:37,415 Speaker 2: to Bali recently and took a backpack. What about 5 479 00:20:38,065 --> 00:20:39,835 Speaker 2: categories rather than products then? 480 00:20:40,425 --> 00:20:40,545 Speaker 1: That 481 00:20:40,545 --> 00:20:40,904 Speaker 2: might be a 482 00:20:40,904 --> 00:20:41,295 Speaker 2: bit, 483 00:20:42,345 --> 00:20:44,305 Speaker 1: right? If I had to break it down to two 484 00:20:44,305 --> 00:20:48,274 Speaker 1: eye shadow palettes, the Anastasia Mini in the sultry, because 485 00:20:48,274 --> 00:20:52,734 Speaker 1: it's got cooler colors, the tart Reflection, I think it is. 486 00:20:52,904 --> 00:20:54,825 Speaker 1: I was there like 25th anniversary edition. 487 00:20:54,935 --> 00:21:00,004 Speaker 1: The Rimmel multitasker, um, the Better Than Filters, I'm a 488 00:21:00,004 --> 00:21:03,205 Speaker 1: shade 4, so that definitely would come because, and then 489 00:21:03,205 --> 00:21:05,644 Speaker 1: I'd have to take the It Cosmetic CC cream, because 490 00:21:05,644 --> 00:21:09,354 Speaker 1: it's a CC, it's got sunscreen. It will also give 491 00:21:09,354 --> 00:21:10,805 Speaker 1: me the glow. Really 492 00:21:10,805 --> 00:21:11,965 Speaker 2: good coverage, but you can 493 00:21:11,965 --> 00:21:12,545 Speaker 2: cheer it out. 494 00:21:12,925 --> 00:21:16,725 Speaker 1: Exactly. And then that creaseless concealer, like Tartan, it's not 495 00:21:16,725 --> 00:21:17,874 Speaker 1: going anywhere. And 496 00:21:18,415 --> 00:21:20,725 Speaker 1: I fucking don't have 11 497 00:21:20,725 --> 00:21:21,095 Speaker 2: lip 498 00:21:21,095 --> 00:21:23,925 Speaker 1: product. The Revlon lip oil or the new one. I 499 00:21:23,925 --> 00:21:25,524 Speaker 1: don't know the color I'm wearing, but it's kind of 500 00:21:25,524 --> 00:21:27,965 Speaker 1: like a, ooh, cherry, or it's the one I've got 501 00:21:27,965 --> 00:21:30,475 Speaker 1: on now. I'm loving it. Revlon 502 00:21:30,884 --> 00:21:36,374 Speaker 2: does, like, their lip products, they absolutely nail. 503 00:21:36,514 --> 00:21:36,774 Speaker 1: Yeah. 504 00:21:37,295 --> 00:21:41,975 Speaker 1: The Tarte tubing mascara, and then brows, I'm in love 505 00:21:41,975 --> 00:21:46,045 Speaker 1: with the 1000 hour blonde micro pencil because I can build. 506 00:21:46,175 --> 00:21:49,774 Speaker 2: OK, that's a really good selection of products. What are 507 00:21:49,774 --> 00:21:52,994 Speaker 2: some makeup trends that you absolutely love, and what are 508 00:21:52,994 --> 00:21:55,085 Speaker 2: some that you just think should go straight into the bin? 509 00:21:55,455 --> 00:21:59,774 Speaker 1: Oh, trends, trends, trends, trends. The butter skin? Yes, keep. Look, 510 00:22:00,134 --> 00:22:02,894 Speaker 1: anything with beautiful skin, I'm a yes girl. Like, I 511 00:22:02,894 --> 00:22:03,514 Speaker 1: love skin. 512 00:22:03,904 --> 00:22:06,144 Speaker 1: There's a really that red cheek that's sort of in 513 00:22:06,144 --> 00:22:08,065 Speaker 1: at the moment. Like, yeah, it's kind of like a 514 00:22:08,065 --> 00:22:12,475 Speaker 1: red powder blush, but I think on the right skin tone, 515 00:22:12,945 --> 00:22:16,455 Speaker 1: under the right lighting, yes, but for your average every person, 516 00:22:16,705 --> 00:22:20,585 Speaker 1: especially someone who's flushed going through menopause. Yeah, I'm not 517 00:22:20,585 --> 00:22:22,644 Speaker 1: gonna add redness to the face. I'm trying to get 518 00:22:22,644 --> 00:22:25,705 Speaker 1: rid of it. So just be mindful, you know, of 519 00:22:25,705 --> 00:22:28,504 Speaker 1: where you're at, what your skin's doing, and how you 520 00:22:28,504 --> 00:22:31,154 Speaker 1: could make it work. But it's something I wouldn't say, yeah, 521 00:22:31,394 --> 00:22:33,425 Speaker 1: go for it and give it a crack. There's better. 522 00:22:33,575 --> 00:22:34,644 Speaker 1: Things to do. It's 523 00:22:34,644 --> 00:22:37,004 Speaker 2: like that trend where people were putting, like they were 524 00:22:37,004 --> 00:22:39,114 Speaker 2: doing their blush quite heavily and then putting it across 525 00:22:39,114 --> 00:22:43,195 Speaker 2: their nose. I'm like, why do we want to look burnt? I, I, 526 00:22:43,364 --> 00:22:44,805 Speaker 2: why do we want to look like we've had ski 527 00:22:44,805 --> 00:22:46,884 Speaker 2: goggles on our face? I did not get that trend 528 00:22:46,884 --> 00:22:47,644 Speaker 2: at all. I didn't 529 00:22:47,644 --> 00:22:50,925 Speaker 1: think it's not my favorite thing. Another one that I'm 530 00:22:50,925 --> 00:22:52,685 Speaker 1: really loving at the moment is. 531 00:22:53,295 --> 00:22:55,854 Speaker 1: Like kind of that grunge, cool girl look where they're 532 00:22:55,854 --> 00:22:58,845 Speaker 1: just using like the sharp eyeliner on the waterline without 533 00:22:58,845 --> 00:23:02,335 Speaker 1: the mascara. And yeah, it's fabulous. So even though 534 00:23:02,335 --> 00:23:05,205 Speaker 2: that horror that that actually terrifies me. Yeah, 535 00:23:05,415 --> 00:23:05,894 Speaker 1: but so 536 00:23:05,894 --> 00:23:07,494 Speaker 2: I'm sure you could get it to work, but I 537 00:23:07,494 --> 00:23:08,124 Speaker 2: feel like I would 538 00:23:08,124 --> 00:23:08,604 Speaker 2: look. 539 00:23:08,935 --> 00:23:10,805 Speaker 1: Look, I think where it works is if you're kind 540 00:23:10,805 --> 00:23:13,984 Speaker 1: of going for that grungy, cool girl look, and it's, 541 00:23:14,014 --> 00:23:16,095 Speaker 1: even though it's on social media now, if you look 542 00:23:16,095 --> 00:23:18,175 Speaker 1: back at all the fashion shoots I've done properly in 543 00:23:18,175 --> 00:23:19,335 Speaker 1: the last 7 years. 544 00:23:19,879 --> 00:23:22,489 Speaker 1: It's, none of them have mascara. Because what happens when 545 00:23:22,489 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: you use mascara, it makes everything look quite pretty and 546 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: girly and dolly and done and done. So when you 547 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,609 Speaker 1: take the mascara off and you do kind of this 548 00:23:31,609 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: smudgy line, it just gives an edge to it. And 549 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 1: if that's your vibe, I quite like it, you know, 550 00:23:36,580 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: it's meant to be 551 00:23:37,399 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: playful. 552 00:23:37,690 --> 00:23:40,550 Speaker 2: You're meant to be able to express yourself however you want. 553 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 2: It's all meant to be fun. It's part of 554 00:23:42,479 --> 00:23:45,519 Speaker 1: being creative, and I think so many people have lost. 555 00:23:45,925 --> 00:23:48,884 Speaker 1: The joy and the art of being creative, because we're, 556 00:23:48,975 --> 00:23:51,675 Speaker 1: we're not born creative or not creative. It's in all 557 00:23:51,675 --> 00:23:55,435 Speaker 1: of us. But the way we're educated is very da 558 00:23:55,435 --> 00:23:58,614 Speaker 1: da da da da. And, you know, I think finding 559 00:23:58,614 --> 00:24:01,134 Speaker 1: that inside yourself really just allows you to feel like 560 00:24:01,134 --> 00:24:03,935 Speaker 1: a little kid with that childlike sense of wonder and 561 00:24:03,935 --> 00:24:06,215 Speaker 1: don't worry about not getting it perfect. Just have a 562 00:24:06,215 --> 00:24:07,815 Speaker 1: bit of fun. Yeah, find the 563 00:24:07,815 --> 00:24:08,975 Speaker 2: joy in. 564 00:24:09,465 --> 00:24:11,725 Speaker 2: Expressing like through hair, makeup, 565 00:24:11,984 --> 00:24:15,144 Speaker 1: clothes, and creating that little morning ritual, which is what 566 00:24:15,144 --> 00:24:17,754 Speaker 1: I do with my skincare in the morning. 567 00:24:18,604 --> 00:24:20,445 Speaker 1: Coming back to yourself, and again, like we were talking 568 00:24:20,445 --> 00:24:23,835 Speaker 1: about with touch, it's that beautiful thing which can bring 569 00:24:23,835 --> 00:24:26,795 Speaker 1: you back into your body because you're aware of yourself 570 00:24:26,795 --> 00:24:28,915 Speaker 1: and then you can sit back, you can be present. 571 00:24:29,244 --> 00:24:31,604 Speaker 1: And if I have to go and look after everyone 572 00:24:31,604 --> 00:24:34,644 Speaker 1: all day, and I haven't looked after myself internally first 573 00:24:34,644 --> 00:24:37,565 Speaker 1: to make sure, am I connected? Am I present. 574 00:24:38,175 --> 00:24:40,514 Speaker 1: I don't bring that same energy when I'm with you. 575 00:24:40,884 --> 00:24:44,445 Speaker 1: And it's a disservice to other people, you know, as 576 00:24:44,445 --> 00:24:46,675 Speaker 1: well as yourself. So I always make a really big 577 00:24:46,675 --> 00:24:49,514 Speaker 1: mention to myself in the morning, how do I get ready? 578 00:24:49,644 --> 00:24:51,884 Speaker 1: How do I prepare? And creating a little ritual with 579 00:24:51,884 --> 00:24:54,565 Speaker 1: my skincare routine, that touch and feel that I do 580 00:24:54,565 --> 00:24:57,295 Speaker 1: for other people, why shouldn't I do that for myself? 581 00:24:57,845 --> 00:25:00,284 Speaker 1: And it's that real having a moment. And then if 582 00:25:00,284 --> 00:25:00,695 Speaker 1: you wanna 583 00:25:00,739 --> 00:25:02,989 Speaker 1: At a lip. If you want to do something, you know, Oh, 584 00:25:03,290 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: how do I feel today? Oh, I feel playful. Ooh, 585 00:25:05,690 --> 00:25:07,259 Speaker 1: I feel like I want this. And, 586 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:07,769 Speaker 2: and when you've 587 00:25:07,769 --> 00:25:09,889 Speaker 2: put in that little bit of effort and time for yourself, 588 00:25:09,970 --> 00:25:12,109 Speaker 2: it actually does set you up for a better day, 589 00:25:12,129 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: and it makes you feel really good. Yeah. Let's talk celebrities. 590 00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:22,330 Speaker 2: Goss time, who has been an absolute dream boat to 591 00:25:22,330 --> 00:25:26,170 Speaker 2: work with and who has been really surprisingly lovely or 592 00:25:26,170 --> 00:25:26,580 Speaker 2: just 593 00:25:27,384 --> 00:25:28,024 Speaker 2: Made you feel 594 00:25:28,024 --> 00:25:28,695 Speaker 2: incredible. 595 00:25:28,864 --> 00:25:32,065 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was working with this amazing powerhouse, like, high 596 00:25:32,065 --> 00:25:35,465 Speaker 1: up in one of the big, like, Amazon companies, and 597 00:25:35,465 --> 00:25:36,555 Speaker 1: she literally had people. 598 00:25:37,244 --> 00:25:40,234 Speaker 1: In the room typing away, and she walked in and 599 00:25:40,234 --> 00:25:43,665 Speaker 1: something terrible had happened at home, back in the States. 600 00:25:44,274 --> 00:25:46,394 Speaker 1: And she's like, got off this phone call and it 601 00:25:46,394 --> 00:25:49,225 Speaker 1: was like really intense. I said, What do you need? 602 00:25:49,394 --> 00:25:51,394 Speaker 1: She's like, I'm already cut out time. I'm like, I 603 00:25:51,394 --> 00:25:53,195 Speaker 1: can work quickly. She's like, I need to make a 604 00:25:53,195 --> 00:25:55,195 Speaker 1: phone call. I'm like, go. She came in. 605 00:25:56,205 --> 00:25:58,364 Speaker 1: And everyone's in the room like they're like there there 606 00:25:58,364 --> 00:26:01,514 Speaker 1: was like rows of people. I was like this is insane. 607 00:26:01,884 --> 00:26:05,034 Speaker 1: And she was about to perform in front of 3500 people. 608 00:26:05,165 --> 00:26:07,085 Speaker 1: She's like, as soon as we're done, they've booked me 609 00:26:07,085 --> 00:26:08,675 Speaker 1: an emergency flight, I've got to get home. 610 00:26:09,595 --> 00:26:11,975 Speaker 1: And I sat there and I thought, this poor woman 611 00:26:11,975 --> 00:26:15,144 Speaker 1: is like so intense. And so I went, I'm literally 612 00:26:15,144 --> 00:26:17,845 Speaker 1: gonna have 35 minutes for full hair and makeup, but 613 00:26:17,845 --> 00:26:20,545 Speaker 1: she needs my face massage. And I gave her that 614 00:26:20,545 --> 00:26:23,144 Speaker 1: face massage, and you should have seen, like, there was 615 00:26:23,144 --> 00:26:25,065 Speaker 1: almost tears, like, I'm an emotional Pisce, and so I'll 616 00:26:25,065 --> 00:26:27,784 Speaker 1: cry at most things. And I gave her that face massage, 617 00:26:27,795 --> 00:26:28,345 Speaker 1: and she said, 618 00:26:28,784 --> 00:26:30,435 Speaker 1: I don't even need to worry, do I? She said, 619 00:26:30,475 --> 00:26:31,915 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit here for a minute. I'm like, 620 00:26:31,965 --> 00:26:34,514 Speaker 1: You've got 30 minutes to yourself. Take a breath. Yeah. 621 00:26:34,634 --> 00:26:37,295 Speaker 1: And anyway, 10 minutes later, she says, Everyone, can we 622 00:26:37,295 --> 00:26:39,634 Speaker 1: just have the room to ourselves, please? So everyone left 623 00:26:39,634 --> 00:26:42,114 Speaker 1: the room. She's like, OK, what do I need to 624 00:26:42,114 --> 00:26:44,534 Speaker 1: get that I can't get in America? Um, da da 625 00:26:44,534 --> 00:26:45,754 Speaker 1: da da da. And I gave her a list and 626 00:26:45,754 --> 00:26:47,744 Speaker 1: she literally texted to someone and sent them out to 627 00:26:47,744 --> 00:26:50,595 Speaker 1: the shops. But so it was, you know, and from 628 00:26:50,595 --> 00:26:52,154 Speaker 1: then on, she's like, Can I fly you here? Can 629 00:26:52,154 --> 00:26:53,394 Speaker 1: I fly you there? Can I fly? 630 00:26:54,415 --> 00:26:57,534 Speaker 1: Because you show someone kindness, now if I added, oh 631 00:26:57,534 --> 00:26:59,734 Speaker 1: my God, like 35 minutes, how am I gonna do 632 00:26:59,734 --> 00:27:00,654 Speaker 1: hair and 633 00:27:00,654 --> 00:27:01,254 Speaker 2: make you look 634 00:27:01,254 --> 00:27:02,295 Speaker 2: gorgeous in that amount 635 00:27:02,295 --> 00:27:02,925 Speaker 2: of time, 636 00:27:02,975 --> 00:27:06,484 Speaker 1: you know, as if I added and reciprocated that energy. 637 00:27:07,555 --> 00:27:11,104 Speaker 1: Mm. That's not helping anybody. So, yeah, and to be 638 00:27:11,104 --> 00:27:12,354 Speaker 1: able to do that for someone. 639 00:27:12,545 --> 00:27:13,425 Speaker 2: Did you get the hair and makeup 640 00:27:13,425 --> 00:27:17,045 Speaker 1: done? Yeah, of course I did. That's another fabulous celebrity. 641 00:27:17,065 --> 00:27:20,665 Speaker 1: It was for the global premiere of Thor, and the 642 00:27:20,665 --> 00:27:22,585 Speaker 1: female talent was out here. 643 00:27:23,404 --> 00:27:25,565 Speaker 1: And I walked in, I was just doing makeup, I 644 00:27:25,565 --> 00:27:28,955 Speaker 1: wasn't doing hair, and the hair people walked in and 645 00:27:29,215 --> 00:27:30,045 Speaker 1: there were 2 of them. 646 00:27:30,484 --> 00:27:32,734 Speaker 1: This poor girl had just got off a 24 hour flight, 647 00:27:32,965 --> 00:27:35,404 Speaker 1: just come off back to back films, and she was 648 00:27:35,404 --> 00:27:38,854 Speaker 1: just exhausted. And it's intense. And then you're gonna have 649 00:27:38,854 --> 00:27:42,925 Speaker 1: cameras cameras, cameras, cameras. Anyway, I was doing the makeup, 650 00:27:43,004 --> 00:27:45,325 Speaker 1: they arrived late to do hair. Then they turned up 651 00:27:45,325 --> 00:27:47,165 Speaker 1: and they were like, bang, bang, bang, pulling and this 652 00:27:47,165 --> 00:27:49,284 Speaker 1: and that. And she was like, I said, Honey, I'm 653 00:27:49,284 --> 00:27:51,284 Speaker 1: just gonna step back. I said, I can do this 654 00:27:51,284 --> 00:27:54,884 Speaker 1: in 10 minutes once everything's calmed down. She's like, Thank you. 655 00:27:54,955 --> 00:27:56,764 Speaker 1: And just, I could see she was just, you know, 656 00:27:56,805 --> 00:27:57,874 Speaker 1: it was, it was a lot. 657 00:27:58,205 --> 00:28:00,624 Speaker 1: And then she literally looked at me and she's like, 658 00:28:01,274 --> 00:28:03,114 Speaker 1: I'm freaking out. I'm like it's, all right, I've got 659 00:28:03,114 --> 00:28:05,435 Speaker 1: your back. She's like, Will you stay and do red carpet? 660 00:28:05,475 --> 00:28:07,195 Speaker 1: Will you stay and do this? She's like, Tomorrow, I 661 00:28:07,195 --> 00:28:08,874 Speaker 1: don't want any of this other energy. Can I, do 662 00:28:08,874 --> 00:28:10,915 Speaker 1: you do hair? I'm like, Yes. I was meant to 663 00:28:10,915 --> 00:28:12,945 Speaker 1: go on a date that night, so I messaged the date, 664 00:28:12,955 --> 00:28:15,384 Speaker 1: and I'm like, it was a first date, I think. 665 00:28:15,634 --> 00:28:18,915 Speaker 1: And I'm like, Hey, sorry, I've got to do red carpet, 666 00:28:18,955 --> 00:28:20,124 Speaker 1: but I've got tickets to the premiere. 667 00:28:20,259 --> 00:28:21,220 Speaker 1: Do you want to meet me there, and do you 668 00:28:21,220 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: wanna go? And they're like, That's better than going to dinner. Yeah, 669 00:28:23,889 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: that's way better than dinner. So this guy turned up 670 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,930 Speaker 1: with popcorn and like treats and everything. I said, like, 671 00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:30,889 Speaker 1: I haven't eaten. If you could find me some snacks 672 00:28:30,889 --> 00:28:33,529 Speaker 1: on the way, I'd be really grateful. And anyway, so 673 00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:35,810 Speaker 1: we went in, Kenneth Branagh's up there, the whole cast 674 00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:37,489 Speaker 1: are up there, you know, they had to take your 675 00:28:37,489 --> 00:28:39,330 Speaker 1: phones off you cause it's global premiere. 676 00:28:39,805 --> 00:28:40,614 Speaker 1: And then he's 677 00:28:40,614 --> 00:28:41,654 Speaker 2: like, this is very 678 00:28:41,654 --> 00:28:42,284 Speaker 2: cool. Yeah, 679 00:28:42,494 --> 00:28:44,614 Speaker 1: first day, I'm like I'll throw it in, you'll either 680 00:28:44,614 --> 00:28:45,534 Speaker 1: sink or swim. Yeah, 681 00:28:45,665 --> 00:28:46,494 Speaker 2: yeah, yeah, exactly. 682 00:28:46,935 --> 00:28:49,975 Speaker 2: You'll either have a fantastic time together or not, but 683 00:28:49,975 --> 00:28:50,764 Speaker 2: you still went. 684 00:28:51,835 --> 00:28:54,384 Speaker 2: Well, that's all the time we have for today. Melanie 685 00:28:54,384 --> 00:28:55,665 Speaker 2: has given us. 686 00:28:56,295 --> 00:28:59,475 Speaker 2: A free masterclass. I don't even know what that would 687 00:28:59,475 --> 00:29:02,754 Speaker 2: be valued at, but I am so impressed and my 688 00:29:02,754 --> 00:29:06,114 Speaker 2: mind has been blown. For all of the products that we've, uh, 689 00:29:06,274 --> 00:29:09,144 Speaker 2: name dropped today, we've chatted about, make sure that you 690 00:29:09,144 --> 00:29:11,784 Speaker 2: check out the show notes. And if you loved this episode, 691 00:29:11,994 --> 00:29:14,394 Speaker 2: be sure to check us out on Instagram at you 692 00:29:14,394 --> 00:29:17,514 Speaker 2: beauty podcast. Have a scroll through our YouTube channel and 693 00:29:17,514 --> 00:29:20,394 Speaker 2: subscribe to our beauty newsletter. You'll find all of the 694 00:29:20,394 --> 00:29:22,825 Speaker 2: links along with the products in the show notes. 695 00:29:23,374 --> 00:29:26,055 Speaker 2: This episode of You Beauty was produced by the incredible 696 00:29:26,055 --> 00:29:30,095 Speaker 2: Molly Harwood and Sophie Campbell with Audio Magic by Tegan Sadler. 697 00:29:30,295 --> 00:29:32,784 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, beauty lovers, bye.