1 00:00:10,574 --> 00:00:15,254 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,134 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:19,054 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,614 --> 00:00:24,254 Speaker 2: Hi. I'm Grace Rubrey. This is Muma Maa's twice daily 5 00:00:24,294 --> 00:00:27,894 Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Burnout. It's a word we hear 6 00:00:28,094 --> 00:00:30,734 Speaker 2: all the time, and as the year marches on, many 7 00:00:30,774 --> 00:00:34,014 Speaker 2: people are already feeling the mental and physical toll of 8 00:00:34,054 --> 00:00:37,254 Speaker 2: doing too much too fast. So how do you know 9 00:00:37,334 --> 00:00:40,174 Speaker 2: if you're actually burnt out or just stressed out or both. 10 00:00:40,854 --> 00:00:43,134 Speaker 2: We'll walk you through the subtle and not so subtle 11 00:00:43,134 --> 00:00:46,414 Speaker 2: signs to watch out for. Plus, ever wondered why you 12 00:00:46,494 --> 00:00:49,534 Speaker 2: keep rewatching the same comfort shows and movies over and 13 00:00:49,574 --> 00:00:53,054 Speaker 2: over again, a new study has uncovered the science behind 14 00:00:53,174 --> 00:00:56,294 Speaker 2: our need to hit replay. But before we get there, 15 00:00:56,374 --> 00:00:58,894 Speaker 2: here's Clare Murphy with the latest from the Quickie Newsroom 16 00:00:58,934 --> 00:01:00,414 Speaker 2: from Monday, April twenty eight. 17 00:01:01,054 --> 00:01:05,094 Speaker 1: Thanks Grace. Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giffrey 18 00:01:05,214 --> 00:01:08,294 Speaker 1: passed away this weekend, with her family confirming her death 19 00:01:08,294 --> 00:01:11,254 Speaker 1: from suicide. Miss Geffrey had been at the center of 20 00:01:11,294 --> 00:01:15,534 Speaker 1: allegations against Jeffrey Epstein, Gallaine Maxwell, and Prince Andrew involving 21 00:01:15,574 --> 00:01:18,974 Speaker 1: sex trafficking. Geffrey claimed that the Prince sexually assaulted her 22 00:01:19,014 --> 00:01:21,454 Speaker 1: at Epstein's home in New York in two thousand and one, 23 00:01:21,814 --> 00:01:24,334 Speaker 1: and again at an orgy organized by Epstein on his 24 00:01:24,374 --> 00:01:27,734 Speaker 1: private island in the Caribbean. She was only seventeen at 25 00:01:27,734 --> 00:01:31,334 Speaker 1: the time. The claims emerged in court documents in twenty fifteen, 26 00:01:31,534 --> 00:01:35,774 Speaker 1: Buckingham Pallace denying the accusations. Epstein was arrested and was 27 00:01:35,814 --> 00:01:39,414 Speaker 1: awaiting trial for sex trafficking charges in twenty nineteen when 28 00:01:39,414 --> 00:01:42,174 Speaker 1: he was found dead in his prison cell. That same year, 29 00:01:42,214 --> 00:01:44,694 Speaker 1: Prince Andrew sat down for an interview with the BBC 30 00:01:45,054 --> 00:01:48,294 Speaker 1: where he attempted to downplay his relationship with Epstein and 31 00:01:48,334 --> 00:01:51,614 Speaker 1: his connection to Geffrey, despite a photo of the Prince 32 00:01:51,654 --> 00:01:54,174 Speaker 1: standing with his arm around the then seventeen year old, 33 00:01:54,454 --> 00:01:56,894 Speaker 1: Andrew said he had no recollection of ever having met 34 00:01:56,974 --> 00:02:00,214 Speaker 1: her and that it just never happened. After that interview, 35 00:02:00,254 --> 00:02:03,534 Speaker 1: Andrew announced he was stepping back from royal duties, releasing 36 00:02:03,534 --> 00:02:05,814 Speaker 1: a statement saying it had become clear that his former 37 00:02:05,854 --> 00:02:08,934 Speaker 1: association with Epstein had become a major disruption to his 38 00:02:08,974 --> 00:02:12,694 Speaker 1: family's life, work Giffrey launched a civil lawsuit against Prince 39 00:02:12,694 --> 00:02:16,014 Speaker 1: Andrew in twenty twenty one, accusing him of sexually assaulting 40 00:02:16,014 --> 00:02:18,934 Speaker 1: her when she was underage. Andrew attempted to have the 41 00:02:18,974 --> 00:02:21,734 Speaker 1: case thrown out, but it was rejected. He agreed to 42 00:02:21,774 --> 00:02:24,894 Speaker 1: settle in twenty twenty two for an undisclosed amount of money. 43 00:02:25,214 --> 00:02:28,654 Speaker 1: That same year, Epstein's former girlfriend, Gilline Maxwell, was sentenced 44 00:02:28,694 --> 00:02:31,734 Speaker 1: to twenty years behind bars for her role in luring 45 00:02:31,774 --> 00:02:35,214 Speaker 1: young girls into Epstein's sphere of influence. Last month, and 46 00:02:35,294 --> 00:02:37,654 Speaker 1: now forty one year old Virginia Giffrey, who was living 47 00:02:37,734 --> 00:02:41,934 Speaker 1: in Western Australia, posted a disturbing photo from her hospital bed, 48 00:02:42,014 --> 00:02:44,614 Speaker 1: claiming she was involved in a car accident where she 49 00:02:44,694 --> 00:02:47,054 Speaker 1: was hit by a school bus driver doing one hundred 50 00:02:47,054 --> 00:02:50,134 Speaker 1: and ten kilometers an hour. The Bruce Giffray also wrote 51 00:02:50,134 --> 00:02:53,054 Speaker 1: that she'd gone into kidney renal failure and had only 52 00:02:53,094 --> 00:02:55,774 Speaker 1: been given days to live. She said she was ready 53 00:02:55,814 --> 00:02:57,934 Speaker 1: to go and just wanted to see her babies one 54 00:02:58,014 --> 00:03:01,214 Speaker 1: last time. Despite the claim of only having days to live, 55 00:03:01,294 --> 00:03:04,414 Speaker 1: she was released from hospital a week later. Her family 56 00:03:04,454 --> 00:03:06,974 Speaker 1: released a statement on the weekend saying that she'd died 57 00:03:07,014 --> 00:03:10,654 Speaker 1: by suicide. On Thursday, April twenty four saying Virginia was 58 00:03:10,694 --> 00:03:13,374 Speaker 1: a fierce warrior in the fight against sexual abuse and 59 00:03:13,454 --> 00:03:16,214 Speaker 1: sex trafficking, that she was the light that lifted so 60 00:03:16,334 --> 00:03:20,014 Speaker 1: many survivors. Despite all the adversity she'd faced in life, 61 00:03:20,054 --> 00:03:23,494 Speaker 1: she shone so bright she'll be missed beyond measure. The 62 00:03:23,574 --> 00:03:26,774 Speaker 1: light of her life for her children, Christian, Noah and Emily. 63 00:03:27,214 --> 00:03:29,854 Speaker 1: If you're struggling and need someone to speak to, please 64 00:03:29,974 --> 00:03:32,574 Speaker 1: reach out to the team at Lifeline. They're standing by 65 00:03:32,614 --> 00:03:36,454 Speaker 1: to help. On thirteen eleven fourteen, a panel of sixty 66 00:03:36,574 --> 00:03:39,814 Speaker 1: undecided voters handed the third and final Leader's Debate when 67 00:03:39,934 --> 00:03:43,614 Speaker 1: to Prime Minister Anthony Alberanizi overnight as Australians prepared to 68 00:03:43,694 --> 00:03:47,294 Speaker 1: cast their votes this coming weekend. Alberzi and Opposition leader 69 00:03:47,334 --> 00:03:51,054 Speaker 1: Peter Dutton discussed energy, tax and health policies, as well 70 00:03:51,054 --> 00:03:54,814 Speaker 1: as Australia's relationship with China, Mister Alberzi saying his government 71 00:03:54,854 --> 00:03:57,894 Speaker 1: acknowledges China's efforts to grow its influence in the region, 72 00:03:58,174 --> 00:04:02,014 Speaker 1: but noted out closely intertwined training relationship, saying we have 73 00:04:02,094 --> 00:04:05,654 Speaker 1: to invest in our defense capability while also investing in 74 00:04:05,694 --> 00:04:09,054 Speaker 1: our relationship mister Dutton's approach to China was in line 75 00:04:09,094 --> 00:04:11,894 Speaker 1: with his promos to increase defense spending by twenty one 76 00:04:11,974 --> 00:04:15,574 Speaker 1: billion dollars, saying the biggest concern for Australia's defense and 77 00:04:15,614 --> 00:04:19,374 Speaker 1: intelligence was the Communist Party of China. After far right 78 00:04:19,414 --> 00:04:22,694 Speaker 1: activists heckled the Welcome to country on Anzac Day last week, 79 00:04:22,974 --> 00:04:25,774 Speaker 1: both leaders were asked about their stance on the practice. 80 00:04:25,894 --> 00:04:28,814 Speaker 1: Mister Dutton, who's also promised to remove the Aboriginal and 81 00:04:28,854 --> 00:04:31,494 Speaker 1: Torres Strait island of flags from press conferences if he 82 00:04:31,534 --> 00:04:34,254 Speaker 1: becomes leader, said there's a sense in the community that 83 00:04:34,294 --> 00:04:37,214 Speaker 1: it's overdone and that having it at every meeting or 84 00:04:37,214 --> 00:04:41,054 Speaker 1: football game cheapened its significance. Mister Albinizi said it was 85 00:04:41,054 --> 00:04:43,254 Speaker 1: a matter of respect, but said that a voice to 86 00:04:43,294 --> 00:04:46,614 Speaker 1: Parliament was now gone from his agenda. Thousands of people 87 00:04:46,694 --> 00:04:49,454 Speaker 1: have filed past the tomb of Pope Francis a day 88 00:04:49,494 --> 00:04:52,174 Speaker 1: after the world said their final farewell to the Pontiff. 89 00:04:52,534 --> 00:04:54,894 Speaker 1: A single white rose has been placed on the tomb 90 00:04:54,894 --> 00:04:57,854 Speaker 1: in Saint Mary Major, Basilica that has the Pope's name 91 00:04:57,894 --> 00:05:00,814 Speaker 1: written on it in Latin, a single light illuminating the 92 00:05:00,854 --> 00:05:04,334 Speaker 1: white stone. Many of those who visited either cross themselves 93 00:05:04,454 --> 00:05:07,414 Speaker 1: or took a photo thanking him for his work. The 94 00:05:07,414 --> 00:05:09,454 Speaker 1: tomb was opened on the second day of the nine 95 00:05:09,614 --> 00:05:12,614 Speaker 1: days of official Morning, after which the conclave will be 96 00:05:12,654 --> 00:05:15,374 Speaker 1: held to elect the next Pope. No date has been 97 00:05:15,414 --> 00:05:17,494 Speaker 1: set for this as yet, but it must start by 98 00:05:17,534 --> 00:05:21,894 Speaker 1: May tenth. RuPaul's Drag Race star Jigglie Caliente has died 99 00:05:21,934 --> 00:05:25,054 Speaker 1: after she had her leg amputated due to a severe infection. 100 00:05:25,574 --> 00:05:28,494 Speaker 1: Her family released a statement saying it is with profound 101 00:05:28,534 --> 00:05:31,774 Speaker 1: sorrow that we announced the passing of Bianca Castro Arabeo, 102 00:05:32,174 --> 00:05:35,054 Speaker 1: known to the world and cherished by many as Jiglie Caliente, 103 00:05:35,454 --> 00:05:39,294 Speaker 1: saying her legacy is one of love, courage and light. Calliente, 104 00:05:39,334 --> 00:05:41,974 Speaker 1: who start on season four of RuPaul's Drag Race in 105 00:05:42,014 --> 00:05:44,614 Speaker 1: twenty eleven, was appearing as a judge on the show's 106 00:05:44,614 --> 00:05:47,134 Speaker 1: Philippines series, but had to pull out due to health 107 00:05:47,174 --> 00:05:49,934 Speaker 1: issues that led to her right leg being amputated. 108 00:05:50,694 --> 00:05:54,094 Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, It's only the end of April and 109 00:05:54,134 --> 00:05:57,454 Speaker 2: you might be feeling a bit tired or even burnt out. 110 00:05:57,774 --> 00:06:05,654 Speaker 2: We'll tell you what to look out for. You've probably 111 00:06:05,694 --> 00:06:08,614 Speaker 2: heard the word burnout thrown around a lot, maybe you've 112 00:06:08,654 --> 00:06:13,134 Speaker 2: even used it yourself. But beyond the buzzword, burnout is real. 113 00:06:14,214 --> 00:06:17,974 Speaker 2: It's that bone deep exhaustion that doesn't go away after 114 00:06:18,014 --> 00:06:21,654 Speaker 2: a good night's sleep. It's the feeling of being overwhelmed 115 00:06:21,734 --> 00:06:24,734 Speaker 2: and under resourced, like you're running on empty and there's 116 00:06:24,734 --> 00:06:28,694 Speaker 2: no stop inside. As we settle into twenty twenty five, 117 00:06:28,974 --> 00:06:32,774 Speaker 2: many people are already feeling it. Emotionally drained, mentally foggy, 118 00:06:32,934 --> 00:06:37,694 Speaker 2: physically tired. Burnout can creep in quietly, disguising itself as 119 00:06:37,734 --> 00:06:40,174 Speaker 2: it's just a busy week or it's just a rough patch, 120 00:06:40,574 --> 00:06:43,894 Speaker 2: until suddenly you're struggling to get through the day. So 121 00:06:43,974 --> 00:06:46,414 Speaker 2: what are the signs to look out for, what's causing it, 122 00:06:46,574 --> 00:06:49,374 Speaker 2: and more importantly, how can we stop normalizing it and 123 00:06:49,414 --> 00:06:52,974 Speaker 2: start dealing with it. Mumma Maya's Morning editor cass Green 124 00:06:53,374 --> 00:06:56,454 Speaker 2: interviewed countless women on their experiences of burnout for her 125 00:06:56,534 --> 00:07:00,014 Speaker 2: article your Body Knows You have Burnout. Cassie, You've done 126 00:07:00,094 --> 00:07:03,014 Speaker 2: quite a lot of research on stress and burnout, and 127 00:07:03,054 --> 00:07:06,294 Speaker 2: in your research you came across the Liptimber study. Can 128 00:07:06,334 --> 00:07:07,454 Speaker 2: you tell us what that found? 129 00:07:08,054 --> 00:07:10,574 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it found that burnout was the leading reason 130 00:07:10,614 --> 00:07:13,134 Speaker 3: for more than half of working women to experience a 131 00:07:13,174 --> 00:07:15,574 Speaker 3: decline in their mental health. That was followed by the 132 00:07:15,574 --> 00:07:18,974 Speaker 3: mental load and the juggle of work life and family balance. 133 00:07:19,054 --> 00:07:21,814 Speaker 3: So really what the study found is that Australia's women 134 00:07:21,974 --> 00:07:24,214 Speaker 3: are really overloaded and quite undersupported. 135 00:07:24,534 --> 00:07:27,374 Speaker 2: What we need to unpack is that burnout and stress 136 00:07:27,534 --> 00:07:31,414 Speaker 2: are different things, because stress can often just be situational 137 00:07:31,574 --> 00:07:34,654 Speaker 2: and people can often not want to do anything about it. 138 00:07:34,694 --> 00:07:37,094 Speaker 2: But can you talk us through what the symptoms of 139 00:07:37,214 --> 00:07:39,214 Speaker 2: burnout are and what we should be looking out for. 140 00:07:39,494 --> 00:07:42,214 Speaker 3: Absolutely, So one of the key ones is a kind 141 00:07:42,254 --> 00:07:48,254 Speaker 3: of physical exhaustion, so fatigue, headaches, gut problems, frequent illness 142 00:07:48,294 --> 00:07:49,934 Speaker 3: as well if you have a bit of a reduced 143 00:07:49,974 --> 00:07:53,534 Speaker 3: immune system. So from the experts that I spoke to, 144 00:07:54,214 --> 00:07:56,094 Speaker 3: there's quite a lot of that going on. And it 145 00:07:56,094 --> 00:07:58,054 Speaker 3: can also be a bit of a tight chest, a 146 00:07:58,134 --> 00:08:01,054 Speaker 3: kind of anxiety feeling, and that can manifest when you're 147 00:08:01,054 --> 00:08:03,614 Speaker 3: feeling a little bit burnt out. Then you have the 148 00:08:03,694 --> 00:08:09,494 Speaker 3: kind of emotional detachments, so cynicism, a loss of motivation, irritability, 149 00:08:09,614 --> 00:08:13,134 Speaker 3: and feeling overwhelmed. So the experts largely said that you 150 00:08:13,214 --> 00:08:15,734 Speaker 3: kind of no longer find the joy in the every 151 00:08:15,814 --> 00:08:18,374 Speaker 3: day that you used to and that can kind of 152 00:08:18,454 --> 00:08:21,854 Speaker 3: lead to anxiety and depression. So over time it can 153 00:08:21,894 --> 00:08:23,934 Speaker 3: become a little bit more chronic and you can become 154 00:08:23,974 --> 00:08:27,734 Speaker 3: more likely to fall into those conditions. They also noted 155 00:08:27,774 --> 00:08:30,774 Speaker 3: behavioral changes, so you're not seeing your friends as much, 156 00:08:30,934 --> 00:08:33,214 Speaker 3: you might be a little bit more withdrawn at work, 157 00:08:33,654 --> 00:08:36,654 Speaker 3: You're procrastinating or having trouble sleeping and getting up in 158 00:08:36,694 --> 00:08:38,614 Speaker 3: the morning, So there really is a lot. It can 159 00:08:38,654 --> 00:08:39,894 Speaker 3: be quite wide ranging. 160 00:08:40,254 --> 00:08:42,614 Speaker 2: Through your research, you actually spoke to quite a few 161 00:08:42,614 --> 00:08:45,494 Speaker 2: women who did suffer from burnout before we go into 162 00:08:45,574 --> 00:08:47,814 Speaker 2: what their symptoms were. Is burnout something that has to 163 00:08:47,854 --> 00:08:48,694 Speaker 2: be diagnosed. 164 00:08:49,254 --> 00:08:53,294 Speaker 3: It's not an official psychological term in a textbook, but 165 00:08:53,334 --> 00:08:55,654 Speaker 3: if you're feeling burnt out, you can absolutely reach out 166 00:08:55,654 --> 00:08:57,534 Speaker 3: to an expert and they can help you manage it. 167 00:08:57,734 --> 00:08:59,894 Speaker 2: So, what were some of the common reasons for burnout 168 00:08:59,894 --> 00:09:01,734 Speaker 2: in the women that you spoke to for your article? 169 00:09:01,974 --> 00:09:04,014 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I spoke to a lot and it's clear 170 00:09:04,054 --> 00:09:06,894 Speaker 3: that it's very common. One of my interviews is with 171 00:09:07,094 --> 00:09:09,734 Speaker 3: a loving mother who was convinced she was having a 172 00:09:09,734 --> 00:09:11,774 Speaker 3: heart attack, only to be told it was a panic 173 00:09:11,774 --> 00:09:13,894 Speaker 3: attack and that I think is something that we can 174 00:09:13,934 --> 00:09:16,054 Speaker 3: really relate to when we feel stressed and we feel 175 00:09:16,054 --> 00:09:18,574 Speaker 3: that tightness in our chest. So there was a common 176 00:09:18,654 --> 00:09:20,894 Speaker 3: thread amongst them. A lot of them were mothers. They 177 00:09:20,974 --> 00:09:24,054 Speaker 3: simply had too much on their plate, issues with family, 178 00:09:24,214 --> 00:09:27,334 Speaker 3: chronic health issues, the mental load of running a house, 179 00:09:27,534 --> 00:09:30,374 Speaker 3: being a mother, being a valued employee, it's a lot. 180 00:09:30,454 --> 00:09:32,734 Speaker 3: When it all becomes too much, we can't feel our 181 00:09:32,774 --> 00:09:36,134 Speaker 3: cup up anymore. So the common sentiment was that burnout 182 00:09:36,174 --> 00:09:38,574 Speaker 3: was kind of stealing their joy from their lives, kept 183 00:09:38,614 --> 00:09:40,774 Speaker 3: them feeling flat, and that it was really hard to 184 00:09:40,854 --> 00:09:43,134 Speaker 3: keep their heads above water when they were feeling this way. 185 00:09:43,774 --> 00:09:46,414 Speaker 2: Do you know how long someone can be in burnout for? 186 00:09:46,934 --> 00:09:50,054 Speaker 3: There's no real timeline for burnout. It kind of depends 187 00:09:50,094 --> 00:09:52,974 Speaker 3: on how you're feeling and how long the trigger is going. 188 00:09:53,134 --> 00:09:55,334 Speaker 3: So if it's say a job, or if it's a 189 00:09:55,374 --> 00:09:57,614 Speaker 3: situation you're in, it can be quite chronic and it 190 00:09:57,654 --> 00:09:59,814 Speaker 3: can go on for a while, and that's kind of 191 00:09:59,814 --> 00:10:01,814 Speaker 3: when you should really start to reach up for support. 192 00:10:01,894 --> 00:10:04,454 Speaker 3: If it's not a kind of situation or a pressure 193 00:10:04,454 --> 00:10:06,574 Speaker 3: that's going to be alleviated quickly. 194 00:10:06,694 --> 00:10:09,094 Speaker 2: That's a really good point to go looking at your life, 195 00:10:09,134 --> 00:10:11,374 Speaker 2: what is to change? And if nothing of those elements 196 00:10:11,414 --> 00:10:13,574 Speaker 2: are going to change, then it's time to get help. 197 00:10:13,974 --> 00:10:15,894 Speaker 2: What are some things that people can do if they 198 00:10:15,894 --> 00:10:18,014 Speaker 2: do need help or they might be feeling like they're 199 00:10:18,014 --> 00:10:18,494 Speaker 2: burnt out? 200 00:10:19,014 --> 00:10:22,374 Speaker 3: Yeah, so they can reach out to a registered psychologists 201 00:10:22,374 --> 00:10:25,094 Speaker 3: clinical psychologist. And if you find yourself needing to talk 202 00:10:25,134 --> 00:10:27,494 Speaker 3: to someone after listening to this, you can also call 203 00:10:27,574 --> 00:10:29,894 Speaker 3: Lifeline on one three one, one, one. 204 00:10:29,734 --> 00:10:39,094 Speaker 2: Four more. 205 00:10:40,654 --> 00:10:43,974 Speaker 4: No one, Oh lad, world, don't be this way? 206 00:10:46,054 --> 00:10:49,294 Speaker 2: Does that sound familiar or maybe it even sparked a 207 00:10:49,294 --> 00:10:53,894 Speaker 2: little sense of calm, that familiar intro, that comforting noise, 208 00:10:54,494 --> 00:10:57,574 Speaker 2: the certainty of knowing exactly what you're about to watch, 209 00:10:58,094 --> 00:11:02,614 Speaker 2: No surprises, no stress, just the reassurance of the already known. 210 00:11:04,134 --> 00:11:07,414 Speaker 2: When there's so much new content constantly dropping, why do 211 00:11:07,494 --> 00:11:09,734 Speaker 2: we keep going back to the same shows, movie, these, 212 00:11:09,814 --> 00:11:14,854 Speaker 2: books or songs. According to scientists, there's real science behind 213 00:11:14,894 --> 00:11:19,054 Speaker 2: the pool of comfort TV. Rewatching something familiar helps calm 214 00:11:19,094 --> 00:11:22,134 Speaker 2: the nervous system, giving the brain a much needed break. 215 00:11:23,214 --> 00:11:27,414 Speaker 2: It's called the mere exposure effect. The more familiar something is, 216 00:11:27,654 --> 00:11:30,774 Speaker 2: like a storyline, a character, a theme song, the more 217 00:11:30,814 --> 00:11:35,214 Speaker 2: our brain enjoys it. That's because it feels safe and predictable, 218 00:11:35,654 --> 00:11:39,254 Speaker 2: which satisfies a primal need for security, and since we 219 00:11:39,294 --> 00:11:41,854 Speaker 2: already know what's going to happen, our brains can switch 220 00:11:41,894 --> 00:11:45,374 Speaker 2: off into autopilot, reducing the mental load and helping us 221 00:11:45,374 --> 00:11:49,774 Speaker 2: feel calm and restored. Nostalgia also plays a huge role. 222 00:11:50,214 --> 00:11:53,694 Speaker 2: When current sensory input like what we're watching, aligns with 223 00:11:53,774 --> 00:11:57,774 Speaker 2: positive memories from the past, it triggers dopamine, the brain's 224 00:11:57,814 --> 00:12:01,654 Speaker 2: reward chemical, giving us a mood boost. It's like reloading 225 00:12:01,694 --> 00:12:05,294 Speaker 2: old happy experiences and hitting play. When we watch our 226 00:12:05,294 --> 00:12:09,374 Speaker 2: favorite characters on TV build fake TV relationships. It also 227 00:12:09,574 --> 00:12:13,854 Speaker 2: releases oxytocin, the bonding hormone, making us feel more connected 228 00:12:14,014 --> 00:12:16,854 Speaker 2: even if we are watching it alone. At the same time, 229 00:12:16,934 --> 00:12:19,654 Speaker 2: our brain's reward system lights up, delivering that hit of 230 00:12:19,734 --> 00:12:22,014 Speaker 2: joy we crave at the end of a long day. 231 00:12:22,934 --> 00:12:25,294 Speaker 2: There are also studies that show routine is linked with 232 00:12:25,334 --> 00:12:28,894 Speaker 2: emotional regulation, so knowing exactly how the story ends offers 233 00:12:28,894 --> 00:12:31,894 Speaker 2: comfort and a sense that everything is going to be okay. 234 00:12:32,814 --> 00:12:37,214 Speaker 2: And sometimes there's almost an existential side to rewatching, revisiting 235 00:12:37,214 --> 00:12:39,134 Speaker 2: a song from your childhood or maybe a film that 236 00:12:39,174 --> 00:12:41,254 Speaker 2: you saw with a friend in UNI it can feel 237 00:12:41,294 --> 00:12:45,014 Speaker 2: like time travel, unlocking memories and emotions that help us 238 00:12:45,054 --> 00:12:48,614 Speaker 2: process where we've been and where we are now. Tara 239 00:12:48,654 --> 00:12:51,654 Speaker 2: Watson is the senior entertainment writer at Mumma Mea, and 240 00:12:51,694 --> 00:12:54,894 Speaker 2: she's researched the most common comfort shows and why we 241 00:12:54,974 --> 00:12:58,174 Speaker 2: keep going back. Tara, what are some of the most 242 00:12:58,254 --> 00:13:00,614 Speaker 2: rewatched shows of all time and why do you think 243 00:13:00,614 --> 00:13:01,854 Speaker 2: they still hold up so well? 244 00:13:02,694 --> 00:13:05,174 Speaker 4: So, I would say the most watch would be like 245 00:13:05,214 --> 00:13:07,974 Speaker 4: You've Got Your Sex and the Cities, your Friends, your 246 00:13:08,014 --> 00:13:12,134 Speaker 4: Gilma Girls, the Off, thirty Rock. And then there's also 247 00:13:12,214 --> 00:13:15,374 Speaker 4: like the kind of old school shows like The Sopranos 248 00:13:15,494 --> 00:13:18,174 Speaker 4: and The Wire. So these are shows that are just 249 00:13:18,334 --> 00:13:21,694 Speaker 4: very high quality and they still feel as relevant today 250 00:13:21,854 --> 00:13:23,894 Speaker 4: as they did. Then. I mean there's gonna be some 251 00:13:23,934 --> 00:13:26,894 Speaker 4: problematic moments that you were to kind of ride past, 252 00:13:27,054 --> 00:13:30,734 Speaker 4: some stuff that hasn't aged well, especially with friends. Yes, 253 00:13:30,894 --> 00:13:33,774 Speaker 4: and thirty Rock. Actually, thirty Rock has some real moments. 254 00:13:33,934 --> 00:13:36,774 Speaker 4: People kind of forgive those parts. They're just enjoyable and 255 00:13:36,894 --> 00:13:37,974 Speaker 4: very comforting watches. 256 00:13:38,134 --> 00:13:40,294 Speaker 2: Are there any newer shows that you've noticed that people 257 00:13:40,294 --> 00:13:42,774 Speaker 2: are already starting to rewatch obsessively? 258 00:13:43,014 --> 00:13:45,654 Speaker 4: So I think Netflix has had a big impact So 259 00:13:45,694 --> 00:13:49,574 Speaker 4: you've got the newer Netflix shows like Emily in Paris, 260 00:13:50,054 --> 00:13:54,854 Speaker 4: Stranger Things You, and Bridgeton. I think they're all You're 261 00:13:54,934 --> 00:13:57,774 Speaker 4: relatively new, and those shows are watched on loop. I 262 00:13:57,774 --> 00:13:59,974 Speaker 4: think once you finish it, a lot of people start 263 00:14:00,014 --> 00:14:00,894 Speaker 4: them again, and. 264 00:14:00,854 --> 00:14:02,734 Speaker 2: They even have those settings to be like would you 265 00:14:02,814 --> 00:14:05,094 Speaker 2: like to rewatch? Like it keeps your profile and it 266 00:14:05,214 --> 00:14:06,014 Speaker 2: knows what you like. 267 00:14:06,534 --> 00:14:06,814 Speaker 1: Yeah. 268 00:14:06,854 --> 00:14:09,934 Speaker 4: The ease of Netflix, it's made for binging, made for 269 00:14:10,054 --> 00:14:13,054 Speaker 4: constantly watching. You know, you finish a show, you're either 270 00:14:13,094 --> 00:14:15,254 Speaker 4: being asked to watch it again or watch something similar, 271 00:14:15,294 --> 00:14:18,574 Speaker 4: so you just can keep watching on loop until yeah, 272 00:14:18,614 --> 00:14:19,374 Speaker 4: there's no end. 273 00:14:19,734 --> 00:14:23,174 Speaker 2: Do you think shows are being designed differently? I guess 274 00:14:23,174 --> 00:14:27,654 Speaker 2: in their release strategy because of streaming services to appeal 275 00:14:27,694 --> 00:14:29,774 Speaker 2: to our I guess binging habits. 276 00:14:30,414 --> 00:14:30,614 Speaker 1: Yes. 277 00:14:30,694 --> 00:14:33,974 Speaker 4: What I've seen with Netflix recently is a rise in 278 00:14:34,094 --> 00:14:37,934 Speaker 4: limited series and I think they are aware that a 279 00:14:38,014 --> 00:14:41,334 Speaker 4: limited series is something that is very easily approached when 280 00:14:41,374 --> 00:14:43,774 Speaker 4: you want to just binge something because you've got eight episodes, 281 00:14:43,814 --> 00:14:47,014 Speaker 4: you've got ten episodes. So the success of The Queen's 282 00:14:47,094 --> 00:14:50,094 Speaker 4: Gambit I think changed a lot of things. That still 283 00:14:50,134 --> 00:14:52,214 Speaker 4: is one of the most watch shows on Netflix ever. 284 00:14:52,574 --> 00:14:53,654 Speaker 2: Wow, and you. 285 00:14:53,614 --> 00:14:56,894 Speaker 4: Know, it's just a nice little show about chess. I mean, 286 00:14:56,894 --> 00:14:59,814 Speaker 4: it's a very beautifully well crafted show, but it's just 287 00:14:59,854 --> 00:15:03,374 Speaker 4: a singular story. And then more recently you've had Baby Reindeer, 288 00:15:03,694 --> 00:15:06,294 Speaker 4: and then this year we've had Adolescence. There seems to 289 00:15:06,334 --> 00:15:09,014 Speaker 4: be more limited series being made because they're just so 290 00:15:09,054 --> 00:15:11,014 Speaker 4: easy to binge in, like two days. 291 00:15:11,294 --> 00:15:13,534 Speaker 2: When we talk about those certain shows like Friends or 292 00:15:13,534 --> 00:15:15,894 Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls, or Sex and the City or The Office, 293 00:15:16,134 --> 00:15:18,494 Speaker 2: what do you think it is that keeps audiences coming 294 00:15:18,574 --> 00:15:22,014 Speaker 2: back decade after decade, well, for some of them, decade 295 00:15:22,014 --> 00:15:23,854 Speaker 2: after decade or year after year. 296 00:15:24,494 --> 00:15:27,854 Speaker 4: I think, first and foremost they're great shows. Those shows 297 00:15:27,854 --> 00:15:31,454 Speaker 4: you just listed are my shows, especially Sex and the 298 00:15:31,494 --> 00:15:34,614 Speaker 4: City and Gilmore Girls. There's just a comfort in knowing 299 00:15:34,654 --> 00:15:38,774 Speaker 4: what's going to happen. These days, we're very overwhelmed and 300 00:15:38,854 --> 00:15:42,414 Speaker 4: overstressed by life, and sometimes not only do you want 301 00:15:42,414 --> 00:15:45,294 Speaker 4: to know what's going to happen, but you don't want 302 00:15:45,334 --> 00:15:49,334 Speaker 4: to watch anything new. Sometimes. I think sometimes we can't 303 00:15:49,414 --> 00:15:51,574 Speaker 4: take in any new information. We don't want to meet 304 00:15:51,614 --> 00:15:53,814 Speaker 4: new characters, we don't want to learn anything new. We 305 00:15:54,014 --> 00:15:56,494 Speaker 4: just want to be in a place of comfort where, 306 00:15:56,774 --> 00:15:59,454 Speaker 4: even like with a show like Friends. You know, you 307 00:15:59,454 --> 00:16:02,294 Speaker 4: can watch one episode, you can miss another episode. You 308 00:16:02,374 --> 00:16:04,414 Speaker 4: might be cooking, you might be in the kitchen, and 309 00:16:04,494 --> 00:16:06,094 Speaker 4: then you can just pick up where you've left off. 310 00:16:06,134 --> 00:16:08,174 Speaker 4: It's not a very high stake show, so you can 311 00:16:08,214 --> 00:16:10,214 Speaker 4: kind of just watch it very stress free. 312 00:16:10,334 --> 00:16:12,974 Speaker 2: And in terms of that the watching habits, what are 313 00:16:13,014 --> 00:16:16,774 Speaker 2: your watching habits? If we're talking about binging these shows 314 00:16:16,814 --> 00:16:20,494 Speaker 2: for switching off your brain or destressing, are you watching 315 00:16:20,494 --> 00:16:22,734 Speaker 2: stuff as you get ready winding down and watching it 316 00:16:22,774 --> 00:16:25,294 Speaker 2: in bed, which isn't great sleep hygiene, but look, we 317 00:16:25,334 --> 00:16:28,854 Speaker 2: all do it. Or cooking dinner, what's your watching habits? 318 00:16:29,054 --> 00:16:32,614 Speaker 4: So I have quite a structured watching schedule. While I'm 319 00:16:32,654 --> 00:16:36,534 Speaker 4: cooking dinner, I'll put on like a casual sitcom vibe 320 00:16:36,574 --> 00:16:39,174 Speaker 4: that I've seen a million times, So I'll put on Friends, 321 00:16:39,254 --> 00:16:42,094 Speaker 4: or I'll put on Parks and Recreation or something something 322 00:16:42,094 --> 00:16:43,894 Speaker 4: that I just am so familiar with that I can 323 00:16:43,934 --> 00:16:45,654 Speaker 4: just listen to it and I know what's going on, 324 00:16:45,694 --> 00:16:49,014 Speaker 4: and I can miss parts and it's fine. Then after dinner, 325 00:16:49,134 --> 00:16:52,094 Speaker 4: I will watch something new. So usually I'll watch like 326 00:16:52,134 --> 00:16:55,054 Speaker 4: a White Loaders or maybe one of my many reality 327 00:16:55,054 --> 00:16:58,054 Speaker 4: shows that I watch. Speaking of sleep, hygiene. I do 328 00:16:58,094 --> 00:16:59,694 Speaker 4: believe the worst thing you could do. And then I'm 329 00:16:59,694 --> 00:17:01,374 Speaker 4: sure a lot of people do this too. I watch 330 00:17:01,414 --> 00:17:05,854 Speaker 4: him bedding my laptop before sleeping, a nostalgic rewatch, which 331 00:17:06,014 --> 00:17:07,854 Speaker 4: is my new favorite thing. It's just nice to watch 332 00:17:07,934 --> 00:17:10,614 Speaker 4: it seate nostalgic. So at the moment, I rewatching Buffy 333 00:17:10,654 --> 00:17:14,214 Speaker 4: the Vampire Slayer Crab, which is a show I watch 334 00:17:14,254 --> 00:17:16,734 Speaker 4: often as one of my faves. But yeah, it's a 335 00:17:16,734 --> 00:17:19,014 Speaker 4: show that makes me think of high school. It brings 336 00:17:19,054 --> 00:17:21,774 Speaker 4: me back to those years. I know that show inside 337 00:17:21,774 --> 00:17:24,014 Speaker 4: and out. So I watch that and I often fall asleep. 338 00:17:24,014 --> 00:17:24,854 Speaker 4: Who that's still on? 339 00:17:25,454 --> 00:17:28,214 Speaker 2: And just to end through your job in the entertainment 340 00:17:28,294 --> 00:17:30,294 Speaker 2: department here at Mama Mia, what do you think is 341 00:17:30,334 --> 00:17:32,134 Speaker 2: the ultimate comfort show to rewatch? 342 00:17:32,734 --> 00:17:35,734 Speaker 4: Oh ah, okay, yeah, this is the answer, and it's 343 00:17:35,774 --> 00:17:36,694 Speaker 4: Gilmore Girls. 344 00:17:38,614 --> 00:17:41,174 Speaker 2: I've never seen Gilmore Girls, so I need to get 345 00:17:41,174 --> 00:17:41,374 Speaker 2: on that. 346 00:17:41,534 --> 00:17:45,414 Speaker 4: The word comfort. If you think comfort, you think Gilmore Girls. 347 00:17:45,454 --> 00:17:47,374 Speaker 4: I mean, I love Sex and the City, I love Buffy, 348 00:17:47,414 --> 00:17:50,414 Speaker 4: but they're not always that comforting. There's like some stressful times. 349 00:17:50,694 --> 00:17:54,694 Speaker 4: Gilmore Girls is pure comfort. It's permanently set in autumn. 350 00:17:55,294 --> 00:17:59,454 Speaker 4: The colors are so comforting. It's quite low stakes. It's 351 00:17:59,494 --> 00:18:04,014 Speaker 4: funny goals, it's just sitting around talking. It's a perfect show. 352 00:18:05,694 --> 00:18:08,094 Speaker 2: So if you find yourself back in Friends or Gilmore 353 00:18:08,134 --> 00:18:10,974 Speaker 2: Girls or quoting the Office of the hundredth time, that's 354 00:18:11,174 --> 00:18:14,134 Speaker 2: just self care. Thanks for taking the time to feed 355 00:18:14,174 --> 00:18:16,414 Speaker 2: your mind with us today. The Quikie is produced by 356 00:18:16,414 --> 00:18:19,374 Speaker 2: me Grace Rooverrey and Claire Murphy, with audio production by 357 00:18:19,454 --> 00:18:19,934 Speaker 2: Lou Hill.