1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by Priceline Pharmacy. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 2: Growing up in my early teens and entering into my twenties, 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: I had a story that I was really, really dumb, 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: and this came from failing high schoolers, came from a 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: stepdad telling me all the time how stupid I was. 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: So I had a story that I would never be 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: able to study, I'd never be able to make anything 8 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: of myself, so I don't even try, and that story 9 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: really held me back. Money definitely takes away stress, which 10 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: can help with your happiness. But I think happiness is 11 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: just such an inside choice. It's something every single day 12 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: that I push to find joy. You can always find 13 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: a lesson in something, too, and if you can find 14 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: a lesson, that's your gift. Life is happening for you, 15 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: not to you. 16 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the CSA podcast. Busy and happy are not 17 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: the same thing. We too rarely question what makes the 18 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: heart seeing we work, then we rest, but rarely we 19 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: play and often don't realize there's more than one way. 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: So this is a platform to hear and explore the 21 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: stories of those who found lives They adore, the good, 22 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: bad and ugly, the best and worst day will bear 23 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: all the facets of seizing your yea. I'm Sarah Davidson, 24 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned unentrepreneur who 25 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: swapped the suits and heels to co found Matcha Maiden 26 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: and matcha Milk Bar. CZA is a series of conversations 27 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: on finding a life you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge, 28 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: joy and fulfillment along the way. Welcome back, Lovely Yighborhood. 29 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: I can't believe it's November already. Oh my gosh, what 30 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: is happening? Thank you so much for tuning into our 31 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: first anniversary episode last week. I hope you had as 32 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: many chuckles as we did. You can see the plate 33 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: EA is well and truly alive for the Davidsons. I'm 34 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,279 Speaker 1: excited to be back this week with another incredible guest 35 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: whose name I'm sure you've heard before, but who, like 36 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: many of our guests, has so much more depth than 37 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: their surface level media portrayal might suggest. You know. I 38 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: love peeling back the layers of a well known name 39 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: to explore the lesser known parts of who they are underneath, 40 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: and Ash Binds got right on board for a juicy, 41 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: thought provoking chat. Ash's huge success in the health and 42 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: fitness world, with a community of millions and now several 43 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: businesses under her belt, belies her humble beginnings on dairy farms, 44 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: the same way that her energetic positivity and confidence belies 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: the negativity and narratives thrust upon her in early life. 46 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: Having followed her for many years now, I'd heard some 47 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: of her story, but she is stronger and more resilient 48 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: than I ever knew, and so generous in sharing her 49 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: experiences with trolling, body image and motherhood so that others 50 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: might feel less alone and better equipped for their own journeys. 51 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: I'll let her tell you the rest, and we cover 52 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: a lot of ground with so many nuggets that I 53 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: hope you find as useful as I did. We recorded 54 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: this one before the restrictions in Victoria easedibits, so ignore 55 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: those references. Of course, back then, that's all I could 56 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: talk about, But I hope you guys enjoy as much 57 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: as I did. Beautiful as she Welcome to the show, Ah. 58 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I'm actually so 59 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: excited to chat with you today because I love chatting 60 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: to you on my podcast. And now we get to 61 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: the opposite it's so exciting. 62 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it was so much fun and such 63 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: an honor to join you on your show, and we 64 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: had such a juicy chat. As you know, I've loved 65 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: following your journey for so many years now, and I 66 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: couldn't believe you'd even heard of CZBA, let alone being 67 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: keen to jump on the show. 68 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: I looks like, I'm you sure you want to have 69 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: me on here? I'm so nervous and excited. 70 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: There's a lot of mutual fangirling going on, guys. Seriously, Well, 71 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: I usually start with a little icebreaker, as you know, 72 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: but I've added another one just because twenty twenty has 73 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: been such a shit storm. I think we all forget 74 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: to just check in with each other and simply ask 75 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: how you're going. Of course, we will come to your 76 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: brand new book, Fifteen Lessons That Changed My Life, which 77 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: is absolutely incredible, But something that really struck me right 78 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: at the front. I think it was maybe even on 79 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: page five, was that you're not defined by your problems 80 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: but by your response, which has totally carried me through 81 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: this entire year. So how are you, how are you responding? 82 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: How are things going well? 83 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: As we were talking before you push record. I'm in Queensland, 84 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 2: so we obviously have things a lot easier than what 85 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: you do in Victoria. I can't even imagine what you 86 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: guys are going through when the whole COVID thing struck, 87 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: I suppose it was definitely a shock to the system. 88 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 2: I think I had about a week where I was 89 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 2: just freaking out personally with my son business. I was 90 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 2: just like, what is going to happen? The unknown is 91 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: so scary and not that we ever fully have control. 92 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: But I spent about a week just being like, what 93 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: the hell are we going to do? But once I 94 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: kind of got my head around it that I have 95 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: to let go, like I have to surrender to this 96 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,799 Speaker 2: and what can I control it? What can I take control? 97 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: And how can I pivot and make this work. I've 98 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: got to find new ways and I do secretly love 99 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: a challenge. I love kind of being pushed out in 100 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: my comfort zone to find new ways to do things 101 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: because then I just learn more and the more I learn, 102 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: the more I can teach, and I love teaching and 103 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: helping my audience with anything. So this year has been 104 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: a really challenging year emotionally for me, but because COVID 105 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: I feel like a me to slow down and everything 106 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 2: that i'd been pushing down and suppressing came up to surface. 107 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: And I've actually done the work, and I'm working through 108 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: a lot of things that I've suppressed for years because 109 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: I've been too busy. It's been challenging, but I'm really 110 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 2: grateful for it. I found a lot of gratitude in now. 111 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel exactly the same, and I think that's 112 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 1: something that really stands out about you and your book, 113 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: but also in everything that you do. You're really open 114 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: about doing the work, and obviously you know there's a 115 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: lot of positivity and I think we both kind of 116 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: identify as positivity pandas we really like to look for 117 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: the silver linings and portray a really grateful, appreciative view 118 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: on life. But that doesn't involve not having problems. It 119 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: just involves being able to process them and deal with them. 120 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 1: And you do that. You take us along on the ride, 121 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: which I really like. You don't come out months later 122 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: and sort of announce it, you know, retrospectively, You share 123 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: it in the moment, and I think that's really lovely. 124 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: Percent Like we were saying before, like the work never 125 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: stops as soon as you think you've nailed something and 126 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: new challenge arises and you're like, ah, okay, let's see 127 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: how to work this out. And I do love being 128 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 2: really authentic and sharing the ups and downs because I 129 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: think that's what that's really relatable and provides connection, and 130 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: we're all starving for more authenticity and connections. If I 131 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: can provide that, then yeah, that's my goal daily. 132 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: Oh so good. And that leads perfectly to the actual 133 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: lives breaker, which, as you know, is asking everyone what 134 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: the most down to earth thing is about them? And 135 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: I think even for people like you, who are really 136 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: good at sharing all sides of the story and definitely 137 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: not just the highlights, it still can be really easy 138 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: to forget that underneath even a really relatable surface, you're 139 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: still a human, You're a mom. There's lots of stuff 140 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: you don't share. Even if we see relatable things, they 141 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: might not be what you think is the most down 142 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: to earth thing about you. So what would you say, 143 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: is something really normal about you? 144 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: Really normal? Such a funny question. I feel like the 145 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 2: most humbling thing about myself, I think is that I 146 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 2: don't ever forget where I came from. I didn't just 147 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: land where I am today. I didn't come from money 148 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: and really worked hard to get to where I am today. 149 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: And I never am one to show up and say 150 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 2: I have all the answers and I'm perfect. And that's 151 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: why I share all the ups and downs because I 152 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: think it's so relatable to be following people or to 153 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: be around people that are owning their shit and figuring 154 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: out ways to get through it. And I love that 155 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: whole journey. I never want to sugarcoat anything or pretend 156 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: that I'm perfect, because I'm not. It's not reality, so 157 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: online and offline, that's it's exactly who I am in 158 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: real life as well. 159 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really important to never forget where 160 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: you came from and always have an appreciation for those 161 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: earlier times. And that's actually where I always start. The 162 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: first section of every episode is Your Way toa which 163 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: is pretty much tracing back from your childhood and your 164 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: earliest times, because people often walk into your life now 165 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: at this chapter and might forget that you've had periods 166 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: of finding a path and losing it and finding it 167 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: again or finding a new one. I love that you 168 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: try and really keep where you came from and those 169 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: strong roots present in your story, because it is so 170 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: easy to forget that you didn't just wake up one 171 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: day and have it all and have it all figured out. 172 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: And I think what's amazing about that you did the 173 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: world is it does allow people who didn't come from 174 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: money or didn't come from already having a position of 175 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: influence to build an incredible community and to share that message. 176 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: But it does also make it easy to forget that 177 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: lots of people did start from those humble beginnings. So 178 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,679 Speaker 1: take us back to that time. Tell us about young Ashy. 179 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: What will you like as a child, What did you 180 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: think you wanted to be? 181 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool that we can talk about going back 182 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: to the beginning because it's nice to even reflect on that. 183 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: And if someone comes to my page now, you know 184 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 2: they do really just see this highlight reel of photos. 185 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: I mean taking it way back. I was brought up 186 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: in New Zealand with my mum and a stepfather. My 187 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: real father actually left when I was really really young, 188 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: so I didn't actually know him, which is also a 189 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: really powerful part of my story and has been really 190 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: I've got so much, so much gratitude for that experience. 191 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: That's another whole story. We grew up in New Zealand 192 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: then moved to Australia. I've always loved being super active. 193 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: I grew up on dairy farms, riding motorbikes, animals, always 194 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: had a passion to help, and that's I think fast 195 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 2: forward to now being active and helping people. That's always 196 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: been a core of who I am, and that's in 197 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: everyday life, that's in my career, that's online. Like bringing 198 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: those together has really shaped who I am today and 199 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: when my mum used to ask when I was younger, 200 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: what are you going to be when you grow up? 201 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: And I just love helping people, but I also love 202 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: I love moving my body, I love dancing, I love 203 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 2: being active. So being able to combine those in the 204 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: career has been really really cool. 205 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: It's also really cool that I think in our generation 206 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: in particular, the jobs that we have now didn't necessarily 207 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: exist at the time we first started thinking about what 208 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: jobs were, but by the time we actually got there, 209 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: it was a possibility, which is something no generation before 210 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: has really faced, Like they've never faced such a drastic 211 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: change from the time they started thinking about their future 212 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: to the time they got there. So back then, what 213 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: kind of jobs did you think that might translate to like, 214 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure this was not in the list of possibility. 215 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 2: Like I said, I. 216 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 3: Loved animals, so I actually wanted to own a dog 217 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: wash and wash dogs. I've always had Labradors, and I say, 218 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 3: you've got a retriever. I've always loved dogs, so I 219 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: thought that would be a fun career. Then I wanted 220 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 3: to be a police officer as well. I wanted to 221 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 3: be able to help rescue people and help people, so 222 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 3: that was always on the agenda, but ended up being 223 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 3: obviously more on the fitness path. But they were the 224 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 3: two things that growing up I thought I would want 225 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 3: to do. 226 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is so you'd be a cop 227 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: by day and just like wash people's dogs by night. 228 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 2: What a life people's dogs? Just a passion? 229 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's your side hustle. So then what path you 230 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: did obviously end up starting was more down the fitness 231 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: sort of pathway. Getting your pet certification like a decade 232 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: ago now, so very very early on before it became 233 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: as trendy obviously as it is now. I love that 234 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: so off when you can look back to your childhood 235 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: and find so many clues and everything starts to make 236 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: sense about where you end up eventually, but at the time, 237 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: what made you choose that qualification? What made that your 238 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: first step. 239 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: There's a few reasons. Obviously I loved helping me, but 240 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: I love fitness. So when I met my husband, Steve, 241 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: he'd been a personal trainer for ten years. Back then, 242 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: it was quite a rare He's nine years older than me. 243 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 2: It was quite a rare career choice, Like, it wasn't 244 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: as glamorized as popular as what it is now. So 245 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: watching him run boot camps and be able to help 246 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: people with their help and fitness, I was just like, Wow, 247 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: that is what I want to do. But at the 248 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: time I was working in retail jobs and long story 249 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: cuts short. Growing up in my early teens and just 250 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 2: as a kid and entering into my twenties, I had 251 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: a story that I was really, really dumb. And this 252 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: came from failing high school. This came from a stepdad 253 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: telling me all the time how stupid I was. So 254 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 2: I had a story that I would never be able 255 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: to study, I'd never be able to make anything of myself, 256 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: so I don't even try. And that story really held 257 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: me back from trying, which was really sad. So I 258 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: actually got fired from my retail job. I came into 259 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: work one day and we had this new boss for 260 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: about two weeks. I've been there for over a year 261 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: and my old boss loved me. This NEWEO boss said, 262 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 2: I just don't have the hours for you anymore, so 263 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: I'm letting you go. There was no reason, there was nothing. 264 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: It was obviously very traumatic for a twenty year old 265 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 2: that really lived week to week, but it was the 266 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: best thing that ever happened to me because being fired, 267 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: I was like, what am I going to do now? 268 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: And my husband had applied for government funding for me 269 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: to go and do my personal training course amazing, So 270 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: getting fired, like was the best thing that ever happened 271 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: to me. If I hadn't been fired, would I ever 272 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: have gotten my courage to let go of that old 273 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 2: story that I was too dumb to take a chance 274 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: and go and get my qualifications. It took me a while. 275 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 2: It took me three goes of the final exam to pass, 276 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 2: so that story that I kept playing in my head 277 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: that I was so dumb, I was so dumb, was 278 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: so dumb. It was hard to work through that. But 279 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 2: that in itself has been a blessing as well. It's 280 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: really helped me, you know, step into that, lean into 281 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: that and work on that. So yeah, getting fired watching 282 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: my watching Steve do what he does, and then just 283 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: my core reason of wanting to I call pull to 284 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: want to help people in a way of building a healthy, 285 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: solid foundation with them life. 286 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I love that so much. And see, 287 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 1: I think this is the stuff that, even if you 288 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: do talk about it every now and then, it's not 289 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: necessarily the story people here first because so much has 290 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: happened since then. But this is so fascinating to hear. 291 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone seeing you now, very confident in 292 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: having done the work, the first thought wouldn't be that 293 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: you had this incredibly negative narrative about yourself for so 294 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: much of the start of your life. So it's an 295 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: incredibly inspiring and reassuring story that you can break neural 296 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: loops about how you feel about yourself with enough work. 297 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: But also that I often say beautiful new beginnings often 298 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: disguised as painful endings, and especially in this year where 299 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people might have lost their jobs, been 300 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: made redundant, maybe been fired, or just had certain chapters 301 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: end really abruptly, that it can be the time where 302 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: the clean slate is maybe the best thing you've ever had, 303 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: even if it's painful for a little while. 304 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And sometimes I think we don't see 305 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: it straight away. It might take us a couple of years, 306 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 2: it might take us ten years. Even relationships ending, friendships ending, 307 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: or yeah, losing your job. You might not know straight away. 308 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: But in year's time of five years time, I promise 309 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: you will look back and say, thank goodness that happened. 310 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: If that didn't happen, I wouldn't have met this person, 311 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: or if that didn't happen, I wouldn't have had this opportunity. 312 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: If that led me to hear, that's who I've got 313 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: to find gratitude in those hard, challenging times. Getting fired 314 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: at nineteen and that was a second job, but actually 315 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: been fired fired from in my life. So all those 316 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: stories and self doubt and self sabotaged were just like 317 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: sitting there. But if that didn't happen, who knows what 318 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: I'd be here speaking to you today. Maybe not. 319 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, That's why I'm so fascinated by this concept of 320 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: sliding doors moments, because but for one tiny thing, your 321 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: story could have been completely different. And also in that moment, 322 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: it was like a fork in the road. You did 323 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: have two choices. You could have kept strengthening that narrative 324 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: and just kept going on with that life where you 325 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: held yourself back from everything because you were totally consumed 326 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: by self doubt. Or you could choose to use that 327 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: as a fire to be like, I'm to go ahead 328 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: and make a different path for myself anyway, and I'm 329 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: going to prove you all wrong. But another reason why 330 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: I love going through this from the beginning is I 331 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: think we're such an instant gratuity focused society and it's 332 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: made us want. You know, when we decide I'm going 333 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: to do my PT qualification, you want two days later 334 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: to have this massive community and have made a life 335 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: and a career out of it. We want it all 336 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: to happen overnight. But I think it's so important to 337 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: remember everyone starts from scratch. Love that everyone starts from zero, 338 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: and you literally started from getting your PT certification without 339 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: knowing that it would go well at all, but you 340 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: did it anyway. So the quote I always say, and 341 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: everyone's heard me bang on about it a million times, 342 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: but you don't have to see the whole staircase. To 343 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: take the first step, you don't take the lift of 344 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: the end, otherwise you know, what's the point. And I mean, 345 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: you've now propelled to a brand and community of five 346 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: million people. But I'm sure you never expected that it 347 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: could grow that big. So what were your wildest expectations 348 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: back then? What did you think it would lead to? 349 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: I imagine this has surpassed even your wildest dreams. 350 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I mean, back when I started, the 351 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: online world wasn't as big as what it was. It's 352 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: actually the eleventh year Instagram has been around, and I 353 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: started eleven years ago on Instagram. I had no expectations. 354 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: At age nineteen, I lived in a world of fear. 355 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: If I could pay my bills, I was happy. And 356 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: if I could show up every day for one person 357 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: at the PT session, I was happy. If I could 358 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: just make one little impact that helped their day be better, 359 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,479 Speaker 2: I was happy. So I really had a low baseline 360 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: for my life. So I didn't have any expectations, and 361 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: I never thought Instagram. I mean, it was so new. 362 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: I was on there, sharing photos, sharing transformations, sharing a 363 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: bit of what I was up to. I was like, 364 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: this is really cool, this app that shares beautiful photos 365 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: and fun moments. But what I really soon realized was 366 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: how much connection came from Instagram. And I was I 367 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: was quite big on Facebook back then it was a 368 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: lot bigger than Instagram, and I'd already learned the connection, 369 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 2: you know, that everyone was wanting on there, not just 370 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: with health and fitness, but with me, with my life, 371 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 2: and that really motivated me to just keep sharing all 372 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 2: the ups and downs, all the challenges, everything I was 373 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 2: up to. Yah, not just with health and fitness, but 374 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: it's so it's been so cool to witness and observe 375 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: the journey of Instagram and how everyone has so much connection, 376 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 2: so much opportunity, so much ways, so new ways to 377 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: learn from each other. It really is such a cool platform. 378 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 2: But back then, yeah, there was zero expectations. So when 379 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: it just exploded in front of me and it definitely 380 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: has been a massive part of my success, it's like, wow, cool, 381 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 2: this is awesome that we have the opportunities. Back when 382 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: my mum was younger, this wasn't around, so it's been 383 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: really really cool. 384 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: I also think that's a great reminder that sometimes having 385 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: a really low bar of expectations, actually it takes the 386 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: pressure off you, Like, you're not trying to reverse engineer success. 387 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: You're just doing what you think is really good and 388 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: then it happens to go really well. 389 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: That's like in life, as we have expectations on people 390 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: all in situations, on work, on outcomes which you're disappointed 391 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: because there's an expectation that it has to be like this, 392 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: or if it doesn't happen, we're like, oh, so, I 393 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: think lowering our expectations or swapping expectations for appreciation is 394 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 2: a really valuable lesson as well. So I think it 395 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: was good not to have expectations because nowadays I even 396 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: catch myself too, like if a photo doesn't get you know, 397 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 2: X amount of lights or engagement, I'm like, oh, I 398 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 2: start to analyze it and I have to quickly snap 399 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: myself out of that and just get out of that 400 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 2: phase because it's not good. But back then, when there's 401 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 2: no expectations, you're just enjoying the ride and you're trusting 402 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 2: that whatever happens happens. That's a pretty cool way to live. 403 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. So looking back from then to now, 404 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: if you had to divide your story and the journey 405 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: and the growth into sort of chapters, what would they 406 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: be from the start to now? And are there any 407 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: that you look back on that you sort of cringe 408 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: over and go, oh my god, Like maybe it was 409 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: appropriate at the time, but obviously the world is changing 410 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: so much, and I think you're actually you're meant to 411 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: grow out of old chapters and into new ones. And 412 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: if you don't cringe at what you were doing at 413 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: one point in time, then you probably haven't evolved. So 414 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: how would you break up the story from then to now? 415 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely interesting, Queshing. I can see where you're coming 416 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 2: from when you say, oh, you kind of cringe at 417 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 2: some of your chapters, But yeah, there's cringing moments, and 418 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 2: especially being on a public platform, there's times where I 419 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: have said things or done things that I look back 420 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: and go, oh, Ash, what were you thinking? And it's 421 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: so much harder when you have an audience to judge 422 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: and watch your mistakes. That was not fun. So there's 423 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 2: a couple of cringe moments there, for sure. But I 424 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: have such gratitude for all of the lessons and chapters 425 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 2: because honestly, if they didn't happen, I wouldn't have been 426 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: forced to grow and learn and step up and raise 427 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 2: my baseline. So I'm really grateful for all the chapters. 428 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: I think I see it as before my stepdad and 429 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 2: after my stepdad. He was such a massive crucial part 430 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: of my upbringing and why I'm here today, and then 431 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 2: before before my husband and now, and then before my 432 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: child and now. I feel like they're my chapters that 433 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: have really shifted and shaped who I am. There's a 434 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 2: couple of little ones in there, like you know, we'll 435 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: go into a later trolling online. There's other little chapters 436 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: in there that I think it really shaped me, but 437 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: they're probably the main ones that I think we could 438 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 2: drive deeper into if you wanted to. 439 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I think we've got a whole section on 440 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: the nata, which I think is really important to look at. 441 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: How as you've mentioned and as the book. Actually you're 442 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: so good at dealing with this topic in the book 443 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: that it really is the negativity that forces you to grow. 444 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: And in the super cruisy times, you don't actually learn much, 445 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: like they're great, but nothing really develops you as a person. 446 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: You're just kind of riding the wave. 447 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 2: But the balance isn't it. It's like you need the 448 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: hard times to grow, but then you don't You don't 449 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: want to always feel like you're having to strive and 450 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: grow and achieve and be on this hustle and doing 451 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: the work like sometimes you do just want to chill 452 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 2: and enjoy life for what it is. It's a juggling 453 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 2: act of finding that balance. 454 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. So before we get to that, I'd 455 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: love to ask, I think this is such an interesting 456 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: or moment for so many people when they go from 457 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: just the hustle and not having really any expectations to 458 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: suddenly realizing I've made it, Like this is actually turned 459 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: into a business. I can make my livelihood from this, 460 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: and I'm impacting people's lives. What moment do you remember 461 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: as that all hitting you like you felt successful and 462 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: looking back at how you measure success, have your metrics 463 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: changed sort of over that time. 464 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, I think they've changed a lot. But let's 465 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: go back to the first part of that question when 466 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: you asked, was there a moment there? Definitely was. There 467 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: was a moment when our first business, it exploded in 468 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks beyond anything I could ever I'm 469 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: talking hundreds of thousands of people, you know, purchasing what 470 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: we were selling online. That was like, wow, Okay, I've 471 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: made it. Oh my gosh, there's X amount of money 472 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 2: in my bank. I'm helping this many people, I've got 473 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 2: this many followers. Like back then, I was I was leading, 474 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: I think, in in that industry. So I thought that 475 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: was successful. But that didn't last very long that feeling. 476 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 2: So what I've learned over the years is yes, money 477 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 2: and having followers and having I suppose a little bit 478 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: of fame. Even I thought, yes, that's cool and blah 479 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 2: blah blah, but it is not what makes me happy. 480 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: Money definitely takes away stress, which can help with your happiness. 481 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 2: But I think happiness is just such an inside choice. 482 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: It's something every single day that I push to find 483 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 2: joy in all the moments. It doesn't mean that every 484 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: day is happy and positive and everything's smooth sailing, no way. 485 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: There's challenges in your life, my life, everyone's life. Everyone 486 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: listening will be thinking of ten things that you know 487 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: might not be going to plan. It might be hard. 488 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: But I make a conscious choice every single day to 489 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 2: find joy, and I think I can feel happy. When 490 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 2: I feel happy, that's when I feel most successful. And 491 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: also just contribution. Contribution is a massive, massive, need of 492 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: mine to always be giving back. If I'm not giving 493 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 2: back and being outside of my little bubble, if I 494 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 2: get stuck in my own head and stuck in my 495 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: bubble and get into that suppose victim way of living, 496 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: and I'm not contributing and helping the bigger picture and 497 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 2: the community, and I don't feel as successful and I'm 498 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 2: making a difference, that's what I feel. Yes, this is 499 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: what I'm meant to be doing, and this is what 500 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 2: feels good. 501 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: I think that's so interesting because I think a lot 502 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: of us go through that kind of existential crisis of 503 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: success where what you once thought were your milestones, you 504 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: get there, they don't bring you the happiness that you thought, 505 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: and then you're sort of like, well, what is this 506 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: all about? Then? And you realize that you can't attach 507 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: your happiness to the things that will never fulfill you 508 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: once you get there, that like they're attainable, but they're 509 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: kind of not, like it'll never be enough if you 510 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: attach it to things that are just volume and you know, 511 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: numbers and stuff, because you're always going to want more 512 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: once you get there, Whereas if you turn it into 513 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: an internal operation, it's like you can have that every day, 514 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,239 Speaker 1: regardless of what's going on around you. 515 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: And I think to have full emotional freedom is to 516 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: not have any attachments to anything, any any situation, any outcome. 517 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 2: I think that is true emotional freedom and that brings 518 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: a lot of happiness and like ease through life as well. 519 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: And I think think a lot of women, especially listening, 520 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: will relate to this, like they think, when I get 521 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: to this body weight, when I look like that, when 522 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: I get this partner, that's and I'll be happy. And 523 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 2: they spend you know, six months, a year, five years 524 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: walking towards this goal because that's where happiness is. That 525 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: they forget to enjoy that ride, that journey, and there 526 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 2: goes five years of their life. Then they get that 527 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: six back and they go, oh what now, Holy shit? 528 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 2: What now. That's why I think detaching happiness as a 529 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: destination and instead trying to look at happiness as a 530 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 2: journey and find that every day you have a choice 531 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: on what you focus and what you focus on is 532 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: what you feel. So if you focus on all the negatives, 533 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: you're going to feel all that. If you can focus 534 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: on the positive, focus on the gratitude, focus on what 535 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: you do have, not what you don't have you will 536 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: feel that. 537 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so motivated and inspired right now. 538 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is why we love you. So before 539 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: we move on to the next section, just from your 540 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: actual technical training and fitness and nutrition side, I'd love 541 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: to pick your brains while we have you, because that 542 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: is you've become such an inspiration on lifestyle overall, but 543 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: obviously have your beginnings in fitness and wellness and nutrition. 544 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: So from a practical standpoint, if you had to leave 545 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: people with maybe your three top fitness tips from all 546 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: of your past decade of learning and growing, what would 547 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: they be? And I imagine that the mistake of attaching 548 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: things to really tangible goals is probably one of them 549 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: that you see quite often. 550 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's quite a few. My top three fitness goals. 551 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 2: First of all, I would say find something you enjoy, 552 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: find movement, and find food you actually enjoy, because if 553 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: you are not enjoying what you're doing safe. If you 554 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: told me, if you said to me Ashley, for you 555 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 2: to lose weight, be fit, healthy and strong, you need 556 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 2: to run fifteen fifteen kilometers a day and eat chicken 557 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 2: and bccoli five days. There is no way I'm going 558 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 2: to stick with that. So it is so important for 559 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: me to find food and movement that really feels good 560 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 2: for my body, so that I stick with it. Because 561 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 2: whatever you do consistently, you're going to get a result. 562 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 2: It's when you're jumping off and on and doing things 563 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: you don't enjoy and canceling. You know, fast going to 564 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 2: go for a run tomorrow morning, You're probably going to 565 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: cancel because I don't enjoy it. And so finding something 566 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: that you really enjoy is really important. Stop comparing. We 567 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: can sometimes start on our health and fitness journey, and 568 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 2: if you're just starting, but I've been doing this for 569 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 2: eleven years. You're comparing your chapter one with my chapter thirty, 570 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: that's going to make you feel like shit. The comparison 571 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: needs to stop it just it really does hold us back. 572 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: And I think the last one is and definitely not 573 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 2: the least important one. It is so important is to 574 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 2: have support and accountability around you. It's great to think 575 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: that you can keep your motivation and discipline by yourself. 576 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we're human and we 577 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 2: thrive on connection and we thrive on doing things together. 578 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 2: And I think having a tribe or just a backbone 579 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: of support to help you through those days that are 580 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: a bit challenging, because there's going to be challenging days 581 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 2: with health and fitness where you feel like giving up, 582 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 2: where it feels too hard, We are not getting the 583 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 2: results that you expected to get, and you want to 584 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 2: go back into your old habits, and you consciously have 585 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 2: to make those decisions to keep going. So having a 586 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 2: backbone of support is really really important. People that you 587 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: know wanting to lift you up, wanting to meet you 588 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: for that walk, wanting to help you choose healthy meals, 589 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 2: like a partner, even your significant other, having them support 590 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: you with your goals is really really important. They'd be 591 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 2: my top three. 592 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: That's such a good one, That last one. I think 593 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: just even from your journey to this point, you can 594 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: see the impact both ways of significant people in your life. 595 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: They really do shape your experience and how you feel 596 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: about yourself. And that quote is just so true. You know, 597 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: you're the sum of the five people you spend the 598 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: most time with. 599 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that one. Checking everyone again, even lately, 600 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: I feel like my closest friends, the one I'm surrounding 601 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 2: myself with, like we're all on this big growth journey. 602 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: And that was such a almost like a grieving of 603 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 2: some older friendships. But I still love them, but they 604 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 2: can change and adapt. And when you're checking with the 605 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 2: five people that you're hanging around the most, I feel 606 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 2: like they do really impact your energy and what you 607 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: say and how you do things. So I do love 608 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 2: that one. I think it's great. 609 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. And it is important to recognize that 610 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: the five people, depending on what you're going through, I'm 611 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: not going to be the same at all times. It 612 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you don't have other friends, it's just the 613 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: five that are in your most immediate like the ones 614 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: you're interacting with the most, need to reflect what that 615 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: period of time is. 616 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: For you that season. 617 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: Yeah totally. So in terms of nutrition, what are the 618 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: things that you found that you do love? Like, for example, 619 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: if you're on a desert island, what are three items 620 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: of food that you couldn't live without? 621 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: Yes, definitely, anyone who follows me on social media, I 622 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 2: am obsessed with sweet potato. I get enough. I have 623 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 2: it every single day, if not twice a day. I 624 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 2: whether it's roasted, whether it's mashed, whether it's fried, whether 625 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: it's in chips, whether it's even raw. I love it like, 626 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: I'm so passionate about sweet potato. You are my husband 627 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 2: or anyone. It is just so sweet topriato. 628 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: Number one, did you do say you're so passionate about I. 629 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: Am because there's so much you can do for it. 630 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,239 Speaker 2: It tastes so delicious and it's so satisfying. I love it. 631 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: I do love it. If you ever come to my house, 632 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: I will make you my favorite sweeptato dish. 633 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god. When I can go more than five 634 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: kilometers from my house, I'm there, babe. 635 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's number one. Number two would be frozen banana. Oh, 636 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: just because it's so yummy. It's the base of pretty 637 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: much all my smoothies. It makes things thick and creamy. 638 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: You can make began ice cream out of it. I 639 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: just think it's so versatile. It's such a staple ingredient. 640 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: And then number three, which I know you'll agree with me, 641 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: is my clean treats. 642 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so go it's delicious. 643 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 2: And I'm all about living a healthy, balanced lifestyle or 644 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 2: also not depriving yourself for what you love. And I'm 645 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 2: a sweet tooth, but I don't want to be blocking 646 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: downing a block of cabria every single night because my 647 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 2: body hates dairy. I don't want to eat all the 648 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 2: process crap. So clean tiss are just a healthy alternative 649 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 2: and there's lots of versatility with the flavors, so they'll 650 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 2: be my top three yummy foods that I would have 651 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: on my desert island. 652 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: And they also so easy to make. Like my big 653 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: barrier in the kitchen is like I just don't it's 654 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: not my natural habitat, you know, like I just get confused. 655 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: It's like it's really overwhelming. I love that you just 656 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: like you just add like two or three ingredients, mix 657 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: it all together, and they're done. 658 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. So it's all about making it easy 659 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: and maintainable because what you stick with is how you're 660 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,239 Speaker 2: going to get your results and enjoy it. 661 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. So speaking of your product business, and you 662 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: also have a fashion line as well. That leads me 663 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: to the fact that you're also a businesswoman on the side. 664 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: I mean, like you have just so many things going on. 665 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: How was moving into a product range both in food 666 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: and in fashion from having been the product all that time? 667 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: Like was that a really big adjustment? How did you 668 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: find that? I feel like it's just such a different 669 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: I've got kind of gone the other way from only 670 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: being a product to now sort of being the service 671 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: as well, and it's they're totally different. 672 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: Hard, very hard, as you would know logistically behind the 673 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: scenes of going from online to product was very hard. 674 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 2: But in saying that, I do have a few different 675 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 2: product based businesses now as well as you know my app, 676 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: but baseline for me having an active word label. I 677 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: want everyone to live their best life, but I also 678 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 2: want them to have the best active wear. And I 679 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 2: live in active where day in, day out is what 680 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: you're seeing in unless I'm going on a date night 681 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 2: with my husband. But I have such a passion and 682 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: a pool and a desire to create the best active wear. 683 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 2: I love the whole process. I love the designing, I 684 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: love the sampling, I love the marketing, I love the 685 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 2: photo shoots. I love seeing all the girls in Baseline 686 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 2: in my active wear. So it was definitely challenging. There's 687 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: been a lot of ups and downs, and even like 688 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: little things like ordering too much stock and then collecting 689 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: dust on a shelf, like there's so many challenges behind 690 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 2: the scenes or website crashes or stop them arriving like 691 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 2: Corona this year has been so challenging just trying to 692 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 2: get our stock. But overall, yeah, it's hard, but I 693 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 2: would not do any I wouldn't want to do anything else. 694 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 2: I absolutely love the whole process of it, and I 695 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 2: feel like I'll be doing this when I'm eighty, Like, 696 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 2: I love it. 697 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: Wow, It's really cool how you started with one thing 698 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: and then you've gradually added all these different elements as 699 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: you've grown as well, and then added the book, so 700 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: you've got like you're operating all air your brain at once. 701 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: But I feel like some people prefer to have that, 702 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: not just one single focus, but they are fulfilled from 703 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: lots of different things at once. 704 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, when I think about it, I'm like, WHOA, 705 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 2: I do have a lot going on. They seem to 706 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 2: just they really do flow because they all are interconnected. 707 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 2: They're all still based around helping women with their confidence, 708 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 2: helping women make healthy decisions with their lives, helping inspire, educate, motivate, 709 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: lead women to build a healthy foundation. Like it all 710 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 2: comes in and matches together, where it's the clean treats, 711 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 2: the act of wear my at the book, Like it's 712 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 2: all got a purpose to help and to serve. So yeah, 713 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: I find it really flowy, just flowy. 714 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: You know, just flowy. Before we continue with today's chat, 715 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: a quick word from our partner in yay, Priceline Pharmacy. 716 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: If you're anything like me, Priceline Pharmacy is your one 717 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: stop shop for all of your health, beauty and wellness needs. 718 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: With new research revealing that ninety five percent of Australian 719 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: women feel stressed and often multiple times per day, Priceline 720 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: Pharmacy wants to help you destress and refocus this spring, 721 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: which couldn't be more important during these crazy times we're 722 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,479 Speaker 1: living in right now. The women in my life really 723 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: are the pillars of my community. They're the cares mums, sisters, aunts, 724 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: grandma's friends and colleagues who always put the needs of 725 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: everyone else before their own. So looking after these women 726 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: and helping them seize their yeay should be the most 727 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: important thing you do this spring. For advice on how 728 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: to manage your stress and health, head into Priceline Pharmacy 729 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: and speak to one of their amazing team members. Now 730 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: back to the show, So two last quick questions before 731 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: we move to the more juicy n Ata section. One 732 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: of the things that I find really inspiring about you 733 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: is you've managed to integrate motherhood into your life in 734 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: a way that it is a really difficult juggle to 735 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: run your own businesses, and especially when you do have 736 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: an audience that's so big and that asks so much 737 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: of you, and then also have a child that you're 738 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: trying to grow into the world and be a really 739 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: present mum. So how has motherhood You mentioned that was 740 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: one of your big chapter changes. How has that changed 741 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: your views on your own health and fitness, on balance, 742 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: on running businesses, on your expectations of yourself, on like 743 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: you've written the book since then, Like, how have the 744 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: sort of fifteen lessons that have changed your life changed 745 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: to the fifteen that you might have had before you 746 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 1: had a child. 747 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he changed everything for me. I felt like I've 748 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 2: always had a lot of purpose to help, but he 749 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 2: just gave me a whole new purpose on life. And 750 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 2: he is the driving force for me to continue to 751 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 2: do my work, to unpack my shit, to be better 752 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 2: person because I just want the best for him, and 753 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 2: I can't give him the best unless I'm being the 754 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 2: best for myself. And that's where I want to really 755 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 2: touch on and talk to you. And the audience about 756 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 2: making sure that we're looking after ourselves, because you know, 757 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 2: a lot of women and people say like, oh, I'm 758 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 2: going to be the best I can be for my kids. 759 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: But if we are not filling our own cup up 760 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 2: and not looking after ourselves and not taking time to 761 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 2: take care of our bodies in our minds, we're pouring 762 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 2: from an empty cup. And one of my favorite sayings 763 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 2: is I always want to give everyone around me the 764 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 2: best of me, not the rest of me. So yes, 765 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 2: I have my son, but he's not all I have. 766 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 2: I'm a mom, Yes, I'm a wife, I'm a business woman, 767 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 2: I'm ashy, I'm fun, I'm a friend. There's so many 768 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 2: layers as to who I am, and I like to 769 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 2: really honor all of those. And I think a lot 770 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 2: of moms can get really lost in motherhood because they 771 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 2: just give everything to the child, which you know is amazing. 772 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 2: We want to do that, but me personally, I think 773 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 2: it's really important to make sure we're still living our 774 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 2: lives for ourselves as well and doing things that light 775 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 2: us up and make us happy and give back, and 776 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 2: we're not dimming that side of us just to be 777 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 2: a mum. I think we can have our cake and 778 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 2: eat at all. I think I can be a mum 779 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 2: and I can be a business woman. I can be 780 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 2: sexy wife, and I can be fun friend. I can 781 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 2: be you know, I've got so many parts of me 782 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 2: and I don't ever want to shut any of them 783 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: down because I don't believe that's me being my authentic self. 784 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 2: And I want him to see that whatever he wants 785 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 2: to live in life, whatever he wants to achieve, whoever 786 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 2: he wants to be, he can do that. But I 787 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 2: need to walk the walk, not just talk the talk. 788 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: That's such a valuable will reminder. I think a lot 789 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: of women do. See. There's so much mum guilt because 790 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: there are so many societal norms and expectations around you 791 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: what a dedicated motherhood sort of neff like. 792 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 2: We talk about this so much. Even the comments I've 793 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 2: got over the years like oh you're a part time mum. Yeah, 794 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: that one comes flying at me a lot, And you know, 795 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 2: I see that for what it is. It's obviously got 796 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 2: nothing to do with me. It's obviously highlighting something that 797 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 2: they might be feeling or not knowing how to express. 798 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 2: But there is so much mum guilt around I think 799 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 2: the word guilt, it's got a lot of heaviness to it. 800 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 2: And when other mums come to me and say, do 801 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 2: you ever feel mumguilt? Like, for sure, there's times where 802 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, you know, I've spent a lot of 803 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 2: time working this week where I could have been with Tage. 804 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 2: That's his name, just in case you don't know. Guilt 805 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 2: is when you think whatever you're doing is wrong, and 806 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 2: then there's shame around that. So when mums come to 807 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 2: me and say, I feel so guilt. You have gone 808 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 2: to the gym. So you've gone to the gym to 809 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 2: work on your health, to work on your fitness, and 810 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 2: to clear your head, to work on your mental health. 811 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 2: Should you feel guilty for all of those things? Do 812 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 2: you come back more patient? Do you come back more happy? 813 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 2: Do you come back healthier with more energy? You make 814 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 2: better decisions with your food? Should you feel guilty? Abound that? 815 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 2: And when they heal of that, it just changes their 816 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 2: mindset to me, like, oh god, why are you feeling 817 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 2: guilty about going to the gym? Like how much? How 818 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 2: many positive effects come off from going to the gym? 819 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 2: And I also say to them, would you if I 820 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 2: said to you, I'm feeling guilty of going to the gym? 821 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,439 Speaker 2: Would you would you reconfirm that, say, yeah, you should 822 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 2: feel guilty, you shouldn't have gone to the gym. You 823 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 2: would never speak to your best friend like that, So 824 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 2: why would you speak to yourself like that? All this 825 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 2: respect and love and empathy and compassion that you have 826 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 2: for all those around you that you care for, that 827 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 2: you don't give that to yourself. 828 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: It's such a such a valuable reminder, and so much 829 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 1: of what's really valuable about your message, and particularly the 830 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: book I found, is that all fifteen lessons, and I'm 831 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: not going to reveal them all to everyone here because 832 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: they have to go and buy the book, but all 833 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: of them are just reframing. They're not necessarily changing your circumstances. 834 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: Because I think we we straight away go to like 835 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: what do we need to change in my life? It's like, 836 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: maybe you don't need to change anything. Maybe it's just 837 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: the mindset that you bring to those things that changes. 838 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: Like instead of guilt for exercising or taking time for you, 839 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: it's actually a community service. It's actually being a responsible person. 840 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 2: And it's changing the meaning on things. I think the 841 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 2: immediately put on situations can really be powerful in a 842 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 2: negative or a positive way, and we get to choose. 843 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: So before we do, I keep saying, before we move 844 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: to the next section, I just have so much to 845 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: talk to you about. This is so interesting with all 846 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: the platforms and forums that you have. What led you 847 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: to a book? What inspired you to think this is 848 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: the right time for a new media and to put 849 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: it in book form and to make it so concise, 850 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: Like what sparked that kind of decision that I'm going 851 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: to extend into something different, a different medium to the 852 00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: way that you usually communicate with your audience. 853 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I mean I love Instagram and love Snapchat. 854 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 2: I'm a massive Snapchat persons, and I love YouTube. I 855 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 2: love all the platforms. But I feel like I can 856 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 2: only just touch the surface. I can speak about something, 857 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 2: and you know, even on Instagram, I learned the other 858 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 2: day you can only have a hundred of those little 859 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 2: squares at the top of your stories. And I have 860 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 2: capped that quite a few times. So yes, I can talk. 861 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 2: Everyone knows I can talk underwater. But anyways, last year 862 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 2: I was running these retreats for about twenty girls, so 863 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,280 Speaker 2: twenty women from I was going to say just Australia, 864 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 2: but a couple flew over from America and Canada and 865 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 2: we would come together for what I named the Ultimate 866 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 2: Girls Weekend. And the weekend was full of connection, laughter, 867 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 2: good food, education, motivation, training, trip to buyer and like 868 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 2: it was just whatever you can think of any girls weekend, 869 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 2: Like we bought it all together. And one of the 870 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,280 Speaker 2: talks that I did, we brought in lots of different experts, 871 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 2: but one of the talks that I did with the 872 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 2: girls was just the fifteen Lessons that Changed My life. 873 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 2: And I would talk to the girls for hours on 874 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,439 Speaker 2: this and they would ask questions and it's just such 875 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 2: this awesome like morning that we had together and at 876 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 2: the end they would just like, well that lesson, like 877 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 2: that's going to change my life. I never thought about 878 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 2: it like that, or I can relate to you on 879 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,439 Speaker 2: that I've been through something similar. Thanks so much talking 880 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 2: about this, And I realized the impact that that one 881 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 2: talk was having with these twenty girls. But I went, 882 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 2: how can I get that to so many more? And yes, 883 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 2: I could have done on YouTube, I could have done this 884 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,760 Speaker 2: and that, but I just thought a book that everyone 885 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 2: can go back and read, and it's really easy to 886 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 2: digest and they can take it at their own pace. 887 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 2: Was a really good idea and I'm really really proud 888 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,760 Speaker 2: of it, and I feel like it will really changed 889 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 2: the lives of so many women. It's very relatable, it's 890 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 2: very easy to digest the information, and I think even 891 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 2: when you read it, you might not connect with all 892 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 2: the chapters right now, but in a year's time you 893 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 2: might go through something similar and go, oh, God actually 894 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 2: spoke about it. I'm going to go back and read 895 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 2: that chapter and see how she figured out her way 896 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 2: to get through that. So I think the book's going 897 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 2: to help so many people for different reasons. So yeah, 898 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 2: I'm really proud of it. 899 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you are. I think that's one 900 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: of the things about a book is it is really 901 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: timeless and you can come back to it over and 902 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,839 Speaker 1: over and it is It's there's something really beautiful about 903 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: having a physical book in a digital world where I'll 904 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: like see something really really motivating that I will want 905 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: to come back to in a year and I can't 906 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: find the link, or I haven't saved it, or it's disappeared, 907 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: or when it's physical, you can go back to it. 908 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 1: You can scribble it, you can like leave post it notes. 909 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: I just I love the nature of interacting with the book, 910 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,959 Speaker 1: and I think it's beautiful the way that you haven't 911 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: over complicated it. It's beautiful, like all the little icons 912 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: and stuff. It's just such a pleasure to read. And 913 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: I think you can have a beautiful connection with someone 914 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: in a digital world, but to have something in your 915 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: hands that you're interacting with, that you know you poured 916 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: over to write and that I'm now like gay and 917 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 1: it's just a beautiful, beautiful experience. 918 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 2: It's special, isn't that? It really is? 919 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, So the big section you're na ayta, you know, 920 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: starting from the narrative that you had to break the 921 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: self doubt they came with that. You've talked about comparison. 922 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 1: That's mum girl. You've touched on everything. I know you've 923 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: had a lot of trolling, and I think that is 924 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 1: a side effect of having a big influence. I kind 925 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: of see it as you've kind of made it when 926 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: you've got a hater, but it doesn't make it any 927 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: less painful. There's just a world of negativity that I'm 928 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: sure has come with building a profile over the last decade. 929 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: So talk us through some of your toughest time, some 930 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 1: of your biggest challenges. I think we get quite a 931 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: skewed version of trolling or a skewed version of people's 932 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: experiences because it's not that lovely to talk about. It 933 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: doesn't sort of get the same airtime as the positive stuff. 934 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, just take us through the behind the scenes 935 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,359 Speaker 1: and then how you've dealt with that, and keep bouncing back. 936 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 2: I love talking about it, and then I don't. I 937 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 2: love talking about it because there is so many valuable 938 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,439 Speaker 2: lessons and I'm so proud of myself that I've gone 939 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 2: through that and gotten out of it. But I never 940 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 2: want to talk about it and for anyone listening to 941 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 2: think that I'm telling these stories to their victim, because 942 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm actually so grateful for all of it. 943 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 2: It's definitely been a lot over the years, and I 944 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 2: think because I started Instagram when it first started, I 945 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 2: made a lot of mistakes along the way. As you 946 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 2: do growing up, as you do in new careers, as 947 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 2: you do a new relationship. We all make mistakes, but 948 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 2: mine was just on a platform for millions of people 949 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 2: to giveudget. You know, some of the mistakes I made, 950 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 2: I felt like saying back to these trolls of people, 951 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 2: have you never done that before? Are you that perfect? 952 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 2: You've never made a mistake before, and hear you by 953 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 2: judging me for you know, falling over here or doing 954 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,439 Speaker 2: this and that. It's definitely been very challenging. I thought 955 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 2: I was very thick skinned until a couple of years ago, 956 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 2: which I talked about this really deep in my book. 957 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 2: It was the hardest chapter to write, and even when 958 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 2: I was speaking on the audiobook I did an audiobook 959 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 2: for the book, I just cried. It was really really 960 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 2: hard to even revisit it. It was a tough time 961 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 2: in my life where a group of girls decided to 962 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 2: make a hate page, and I'm guessing it was almost 963 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 2: like a gossip page. You know how we everyone talks 964 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 2: about the Kadashians eye you see what Kim did here, 965 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 2: and this has happening. Almost felt like I was and 966 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 2: on my reality show that they were very interested in 967 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 2: and liked to gossip about it. So I think it 968 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 2: started off as an innocent kind of gossip page, and 969 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 2: they were screen recording and taking screenshots of everything. But 970 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 2: you know, a couple of hundred girls turned to a 971 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,359 Speaker 2: couple of thousand turned into ten thousands, and it got 972 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 2: to a point where these women we ended up having 973 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 2: to take legal action. It was absolutely awful. Everything I did, 974 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 2: everything I said, everywhere I went, I was followed, screenshot 975 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 2: it was posting this forum. There was threats, you know, 976 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 2: not just online at my house, people following me home, 977 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 2: threats of my son. It was awful. And at the 978 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 2: start I found it so hard, and I was vocal 979 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 2: about it being so hard, and I tried to talk 980 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 2: about it online. But the more I spoke about it, 981 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 2: the more it fed them, and the more I spoke 982 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 2: about it, the more I could also see the impact 983 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 2: it had on my husband, or my mom, on my friends, 984 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 2: people around me. So that's when I started to shut down. 985 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 2: I started to think, Oh, I'm going to put on 986 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 2: a brave face. I'm going to pretend nothing's wrong. I'm 987 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,840 Speaker 2: going to suppress it. I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm okay. 988 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 2: And obviously you can only do that for so long. 989 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 2: And then it got to the point where I just, 990 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 2: I honestly didn't want to get out of bed anymore. 991 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 2: I had this beautiful two year old son two or 992 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 2: three must have been. I had an amazing supportive husband, 993 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 2: had all these friends and family, so many beautiful women 994 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 2: online that loved me and supported me, but the hate 995 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 2: was just overriding all and I got to a point 996 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,840 Speaker 2: where I just I didn't want to be here anymore. 997 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 2: I thought the only way this pain and this suffocation 998 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:25,839 Speaker 2: of people watching me and criticizing everything I do, was 999 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 2: to go. And obviously that at that point was the 1000 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 2: point that I reached out for help, and thank goodness 1001 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 2: I did, and I knew I would never actually go 1002 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 2: and do something to myself, but I just didn't know, 1003 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 2: and I didn't think there was another option for this 1004 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,919 Speaker 2: to stop. And I also thought, gosh, I'm getting through 1005 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 2: this just but what about all the other people they're 1006 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 2: doing this too, Like maybe if I was to end 1007 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 2: my life, maybe then they'd learn and they wouldn't do 1008 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 2: this anymore. Maybe that would be a standpoint of Oh, 1009 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 2: we can't troll because look at the impact it has 1010 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,239 Speaker 2: on everyone. That was where my mind was at. It 1011 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 2: was awful. So reached out and I got two life 1012 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 2: coaches and I had sessions with them for six months. 1013 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 2: The coross Us an arm and leg. But it was 1014 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 2: the best thing that ever happened. To me once again. 1015 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 2: They taught me so much about why people do the 1016 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 2: things that they do, about compassion, about human psychology, and 1017 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 2: I learned so much and I'm so grateful for that 1018 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 2: experience now because I feel like I have such a 1019 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 2: valuable lesson to teach and I've gotten through it and 1020 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,840 Speaker 2: I conspire and help other women get through really tough times, 1021 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 2: not just with online trolling. But I promise you there 1022 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 2: is always a way out of things. There is always 1023 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 2: someone that cares for you, there is always someone to listen. 1024 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 2: There's always someone that can understand. It's just been brave 1025 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,840 Speaker 2: enough to stand up and go, hey, I'm not okay. 1026 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 2: That's my story of trolling. In a nutshell, it was 1027 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,279 Speaker 2: an awful one, but I'm really grateful for the experience 1028 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 2: and what it's taught me and how it shaped me. 1029 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 2: And I've felt so much resilience as well, which is 1030 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,400 Speaker 2: so invaluable. I don't think I can get that from 1031 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 2: much else but going through a really, really tough time. 1032 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful that you do talk about it 1033 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: despite it being really painful and just icky, because it 1034 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: does fuel the side call. Sometimes when you do talk 1035 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: about it, it kind of gives the trolls of satisfaction 1036 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,239 Speaker 1: that they've had an impact in your life, and you 1037 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,840 Speaker 1: kind of just don't even want to talk about it 1038 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 1: at all. 1039 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,719 Speaker 2: But that's why I avoided it. 1040 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it's so important to talk about firstly, 1041 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: because so many people who see the real highlights of 1042 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: your life aren't in a position where they could ever 1043 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 1: understand there's no equivalent in their life of trolling at 1044 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 1: the scale that you get it, And it's so important 1045 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: to remind people that this happens. Like I think people 1046 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,759 Speaker 1: don't know otherwise they don't know the risks of like 1047 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 1: imagine it's so hard to explain, but it's like if 1048 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,439 Speaker 1: everyone's self doubts and their worst fears were actually being 1049 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,799 Speaker 1: voiced all day every day. Like that's the closest I 1050 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: can kind of describe it as. And I think it's 1051 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,839 Speaker 1: important that people know that this happens and know then 1052 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 1: what your strength actually is to have come through that 1053 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,040 Speaker 1: and know that it can be like social media can 1054 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: be a very damaging and scary and overwhelming place, but 1055 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 1: you can build the tools to face even the harshest 1056 00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,879 Speaker 1: of criticism that's like a total barage at you twenty 1057 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: f you can still build the tools to come through 1058 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: and find confidence and joy and find the excitement in 1059 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,359 Speaker 1: your life again, because anything negative does for a while, 1060 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:12,879 Speaker 1: it takes the joy out of everything you do. 1061 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:14,280 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. 1062 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,319 Speaker 1: But I think the fact that you've found it again 1063 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 1: is really inspiring for others that no matter what the 1064 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 1: challenge is, digital or not, that you can get help, 1065 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,760 Speaker 1: get therapy, talk to friends, build the right support network 1066 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,799 Speaker 1: and be able to build that resilience back up again 1067 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 1: against any kind of negativity. 1068 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,959 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And what I always love to say 1069 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,040 Speaker 2: too is you can always find a lesson in something, too, 1070 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 2: And if you can find a lesson, that's your gift. 1071 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 2: Life is happening for you, not to you. That happened 1072 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 2: for me to help me grow, to help me heal 1073 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,279 Speaker 2: even old wounds of high school bullying. You know, lots 1074 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 2: of stuff resurfaced because I hadn't healed it. There's so much, 1075 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 2: so many gifts that can come in the most challenging, 1076 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,480 Speaker 2: painful times, and we might not see them straight away, 1077 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,239 Speaker 2: but I think if we can hunt for them, we 1078 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:00,799 Speaker 2: can find the gift and it can make the whole 1079 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 2: situation worthwhile and a lot lighter. 1080 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just I have so much admiration 1081 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,920 Speaker 1: for you. I've had like two haters, and it literally 1082 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 1: bowled me over for weeks and weeks and weeks and 1083 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 1: took all the joy I had, everything I was doing. 1084 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 2: I just whether it's one comment and you've had two 1085 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 2: and I've had probably thousands, can cut ash in and 1086 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 2: probably gets millions on the daily. You know, no matter 1087 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 2: what it is, it's all valid. I don't. I don't 1088 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 2: lie the comparison. I'm like, oh, girls come to me sometimes, Oh, 1089 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 2: I know you've had it so much harder, but I'm 1090 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,880 Speaker 2: really struggling with this one. And I shouldn't be upset 1091 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 2: because of this one. I said, you not a robot. 1092 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 2: Yes you should be upset. That is valid for you 1093 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,200 Speaker 2: to feel like that. Doesn't matter how many I've had. 1094 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 2: It's not a comparison for who has it harder. That's 1095 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 2: how you feel. That's your truth, and we need to 1096 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 2: let's let's sit with that and let's work through that. So, 1097 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 2: whether you've had two or thousands, it's all valid. It's 1098 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,200 Speaker 2: never it's never nice to experience or to have someone 1099 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,799 Speaker 2: say things about you, or assume things about you, or 1100 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,959 Speaker 2: spread rumors about you or post your ugliest photo. That's 1101 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,799 Speaker 2: not fun. No one wants to go through that, really, And. 1102 00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,759 Speaker 1: I also think it's good for people who haven't had 1103 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,280 Speaker 1: that experience and who don't necessarily live on the platform 1104 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,799 Speaker 1: in the way that we do, to understand that. I 1105 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 1: think a lot of people think, oh, well, you put 1106 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,240 Speaker 1: yourself out there. You put a lot of your life online, 1107 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,479 Speaker 1: so you kind of you invite that. And I think 1108 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,680 Speaker 1: even with like Hollywood level celebrities, people say that that 1109 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,600 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you get hate, yeah you get splashed 1110 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 1: all over the media, but you kind of put yourself 1111 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 1: out there. But I don't think anyone putting themselves out 1112 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 1: there invites attacks on your children, invites stalking, invites like 1113 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 1: it's important to remind people it's not. It is a 1114 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,120 Speaker 1: necessary outcome of having a profile, because that's how the 1115 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,200 Speaker 1: landscape works. There will always be jealousy into a poppy syndrome, 1116 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,520 Speaker 1: but it shouldn't be that way. Like it's not normal. 1117 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,600 Speaker 1: It's not a normal level of just subtle criticism. It's 1118 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,719 Speaker 1: like open attacks and physical world following and stuff that 1119 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: you've had to deal with. 1120 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,880 Speaker 2: And I like that comment of oh, well, you know 1121 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,000 Speaker 2: you should expect that because you put yourself out there, 1122 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,319 Speaker 2: it's like it almost validates that. It's like, is that right? Then? 1123 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 2: Is that okay for them to do that? It is 1124 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 2: never okay for bullying, and we are losing too many people, 1125 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,400 Speaker 2: not just young, older from online trolling. Like when it 1126 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,800 Speaker 2: needs to stop, it does, I'll always be an advocate 1127 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,920 Speaker 2: for standing up for it it not being okay, And 1128 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 2: I'm so glad it happened to me and not a 1129 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,960 Speaker 2: thirteen year old girl that couldn't handle it, tipter over 1130 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,560 Speaker 2: the age. I'm so grateful they were on me because 1131 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 2: they've got to it. But you never know the impact 1132 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,280 Speaker 2: of your words. You don't know, you saying one little 1133 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,880 Speaker 2: comment to someone online that could be the last straw 1134 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,879 Speaker 2: for them when they've already gone through losing their mum 1135 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,839 Speaker 2: to cancer, They've gone through their house being robbed, they've 1136 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 2: lost their job, their partnership. You know, you don't know 1137 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,719 Speaker 2: what they've gone through, and then your tiny comment is 1138 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,760 Speaker 2: just that one war that just they say no too much. 1139 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,480 Speaker 2: Your words can have such impact and we need to 1140 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,320 Speaker 2: remember they can be so powerful in a negative and 1141 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,760 Speaker 2: a positive way. So just choose your words wisely. 1142 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,279 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, Ashley. That's I mean that if anything comes 1143 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,200 Speaker 1: out of you sharing that experience, that's what I hope 1144 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,440 Speaker 1: that people take from it, just to remember the impact 1145 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,840 Speaker 1: of their words, but also to remember from a positive 1146 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,719 Speaker 1: side that the one thing you say could be the 1147 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,319 Speaker 1: thing that pushes someone over the edge towards their joy 1148 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,160 Speaker 1: or towards them dream. Your words really matter, and I 1149 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,440 Speaker 1: think we forget that, yeah, because we're like, oh, I'm 1150 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:05,799 Speaker 1: not famous, Like they're not listening to me. 1151 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. We should be cheering for each 1152 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,640 Speaker 2: other and pushing each other and encouraging each other. It 1153 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 2: definitely works on the other end of the spectrum as well. 1154 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,759 Speaker 1: So from the other end of the spectrum. Something I've 1155 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,040 Speaker 1: found just over the past I think maybe eighteen months 1156 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,320 Speaker 1: or two years is there's of course the negative side 1157 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,760 Speaker 1: of over connection and the digital world, but I've learned 1158 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,239 Speaker 1: you can also overdo it in a positive way, like 1159 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: you can have too much of a good thing as well. 1160 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 1: Everything that you do when you love your job doesn't 1161 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,879 Speaker 1: feel like work, which means it's very hard to put 1162 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,520 Speaker 1: in boundaries because people are messaging you and you are 1163 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,400 Speaker 1: impacting their life and you want to be part of it. 1164 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,920 Speaker 1: And you want to show that you appreciate their support 1165 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,880 Speaker 1: so much and replied every message and all that kind 1166 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,680 Speaker 1: of thing. But I think on the flip side of that, 1167 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,359 Speaker 1: social media draws you in on in a good way 1168 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,920 Speaker 1: because you do have this platform and community, but then 1169 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,839 Speaker 1: it does consume all of you and can easily lead 1170 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,439 Speaker 1: to burnout and you're overconnected and you don't have time 1171 00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,880 Speaker 1: in the real world and you don't get to just 1172 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,520 Speaker 1: switch off. So how do you deal with that over 1173 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: connection and that I have such an internal people pleaser 1174 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,160 Speaker 1: that I feel like I do want to acknowledge every 1175 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,680 Speaker 1: comment and I do want to sort of live on 1176 00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,400 Speaker 1: the platform to just like show my gratitude. But sometimes 1177 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 1: you have to just have a boundary to preserve your 1178 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 1: like yourself. 1179 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I totally hear you, totally feel you totally understand. 1180 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,440 Speaker 2: Live it daily, live it daily. I'm exactly like you. 1181 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,560 Speaker 2: I am just so appreciative of every comment, every day 1182 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,239 Speaker 2: and every life that I want to acknowledge ever and 1183 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,520 Speaker 2: to make sure they feel that I'm so grateful. I 1184 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 2: think over the years I've gotten a lot better at 1185 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,360 Speaker 2: setting boundaries and just being better at my time management. 1186 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,359 Speaker 2: So you know, yes, I'm very consumed in my work 1187 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,399 Speaker 2: and I love it, so I find it very hard 1188 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,480 Speaker 2: to stop working. But I also love being a mum. 1189 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,600 Speaker 2: I also love having date nights. I also love my girlfriends. 1190 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 2: I also love going to get a massage. I also 1191 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,279 Speaker 2: love listening to Cza on my morning walk. You know, 1192 00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,000 Speaker 2: there's so many other things that I doing that I 1193 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,919 Speaker 2: set boundaries for all of that. And if I don't 1194 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,759 Speaker 2: get to have my cake and eat it too, I 1195 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,400 Speaker 2: use that quite a lot, but and it gets to 1196 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,319 Speaker 2: all things that I love and enjoy. Then I don't 1197 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,279 Speaker 2: feel balanced. I don't feel as happy. So I just 1198 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 2: am very good at planning my week and making sure 1199 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,640 Speaker 2: that I'm incorporating all the things that make me happy, 1200 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,040 Speaker 2: which include yeah, family time, work, my own time, self care, 1201 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 2: all of that. And when I don't do that, I 1202 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,000 Speaker 2: definitely feel out of balance. And there is seasons and times. 1203 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,000 Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm perfect. There is seasons and time, 1204 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,239 Speaker 2: especially around an active were launched and my whole week 1205 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,520 Speaker 2: is consumed with shoots, building the website, making sure everything's 1206 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,120 Speaker 2: ready to go. There is a lot of I suppose 1207 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:37,960 Speaker 2: I want to say stress, that's the wrong word, but 1208 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,520 Speaker 2: high energy and it needs my focus that even you know, 1209 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,200 Speaker 2: next week we're shooting and we're getting ready for the campaign, 1210 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,600 Speaker 2: and I've already said to Steve, my husband, like you know, 1211 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,359 Speaker 2: he will need to do more of the parent life 1212 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,279 Speaker 2: stuff because I'm going to be at work more. There's 1213 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,400 Speaker 2: different seasons, so it's like being accepting of those times, 1214 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,160 Speaker 2: but overall trying to find that balance of being connected everywhere, 1215 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,600 Speaker 2: get off your phone, be connected to yourself, your partner, 1216 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 2: and online it's not just just the online world. 1217 00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,440 Speaker 1: Yes, easy to forget, but important to remember. Is there 1218 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,239 Speaker 1: anything else that you want to mention in the n 1219 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:12,840 Speaker 1: ATA section before we move on? 1220 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to talk about just thinking of that. 1221 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,480 Speaker 2: Naighty A is change. I feel like as we grow 1222 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,360 Speaker 2: up we change so much. We change our careers, we 1223 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,240 Speaker 2: change through who we are, we change our friendship groups, 1224 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,360 Speaker 2: how we eat, how we move. I often joke to 1225 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,080 Speaker 2: my husband and say, God, I feel like you've married 1226 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,759 Speaker 2: seven different women. I wonder how many women you're going 1227 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,759 Speaker 2: to marry because I change all the time. Yeah, I'm 1228 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,279 Speaker 2: okay with the change, but I feel like online or 1229 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,279 Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe even in different friendships or people 1230 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,560 Speaker 2: around you that can struggle with seeing the change or 1231 00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,840 Speaker 2: who used to be, and I think we need to 1232 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,840 Speaker 2: give it a little bit more recognition to the change 1233 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,080 Speaker 2: in our us evolving and put it into perspective. When 1234 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,600 Speaker 2: I first started, my first business was the Ashybynes Bikini 1235 00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,719 Speaker 2: Body Challenge. Oh my god, it was yeah. So it 1236 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,360 Speaker 2: was this this twelve week challenge that was all around Australia, 1237 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,600 Speaker 2: thousands of girls getting amazing results. It was, you know, 1238 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,560 Speaker 2: where we built everything to what it is now. It 1239 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,960 Speaker 2: was amazing, But all I was posting was me in bikinis. 1240 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,840 Speaker 2: It was revolved around everyone looking good in a bikini 1241 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,400 Speaker 2: because that's what I was hearing everyone wanted. So I 1242 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,560 Speaker 2: feel like for so long and even now I get 1243 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,080 Speaker 2: to put into this box of being this bikini girl, 1244 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,480 Speaker 2: all the fitness girl, I'm like, hang in a second, 1245 00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,560 Speaker 2: There's so many more layers to me, and I've changed 1246 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,040 Speaker 2: and evolved so much. It used to be I used 1247 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,400 Speaker 2: to want to just look at a bikini. That was 1248 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,799 Speaker 2: my focus for so many years. I trained so hard, 1249 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,799 Speaker 2: I hate so well. It was my focus. That was 1250 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,080 Speaker 2: what I wanted to be and that's definitely changed. Of course, 1251 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,719 Speaker 2: we want to look good and feel confident, but there 1252 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,440 Speaker 2: was so many layers to me, and I've evolved so 1253 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,319 Speaker 2: much as a human. I think it's really important to 1254 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,040 Speaker 2: remember that we all do change and evolve into love 1255 00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,879 Speaker 2: and have compassion and patience and love for people as 1256 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,120 Speaker 2: they do change and grow. 1257 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,160 Speaker 1: Oh that's such a good point, particularly in this year 1258 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,520 Speaker 1: where everything is changing constantly. One constant is change. I 1259 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,440 Speaker 1: think we are by default creatures of habit, and we 1260 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,680 Speaker 1: do we do attat you know that word we're talking 1261 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,640 Speaker 1: about before attachment. We do attached to how we think 1262 00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,840 Speaker 1: things are and then get really unsettled when they changed dramatically. 1263 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,120 Speaker 1: But I think you're right. I think we're meant. Like 1264 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,120 Speaker 1: we said before, everything happens in chapters or seasons, and 1265 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,640 Speaker 1: they're meant to change, They're meant to roll over. You're 1266 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,800 Speaker 1: meant if like my partner and Nick and I have 1267 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,240 Speaker 1: been together for eleven years, if we hadn't been with 1268 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,840 Speaker 1: seven other versions of each other, I'd be worried. Like 1269 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,440 Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, well, I'm still nineteen year old me, 1270 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 1: Like that's a really true because she was drunk and 1271 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:40,400 Speaker 1: like one last question on Ata that actually I hadn't 1272 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,400 Speaker 1: thought of until now, But having been there, really forging 1273 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: and blazing a trail in this industry before it even 1274 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,280 Speaker 1: really was an industry, and then adapting to a completely 1275 00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,560 Speaker 1: different market that is changing all the time and that 1276 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,720 Speaker 1: has new entrants, and that has changed in what people 1277 00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,600 Speaker 1: want as well. I think the need for connection and 1278 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,280 Speaker 1: authentic is kind of new. Like at the beginning it 1279 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,720 Speaker 1: was a very polished and preened platformer, is now people 1280 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,840 Speaker 1: are wanting a bit more as we all evolve and 1281 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,840 Speaker 1: change with these times. How have you dealt with comparison 1282 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,320 Speaker 1: with that need to keep innovating and keep doing different 1283 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,120 Speaker 1: things and be new and fresh. But having such a 1284 00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,560 Speaker 1: saturated market now, and it's I find that you get 1285 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,320 Speaker 1: so easily drawn into like oh, she's doing that, and 1286 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,200 Speaker 1: I want to do that, And it's really hard to 1287 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,120 Speaker 1: just keep the blinkers on and stay focused on why 1288 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,800 Speaker 1: people come to you for what you do differently. And 1289 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,800 Speaker 1: I think we often see something and our first reaction 1290 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,720 Speaker 1: is every way that it's different to what we're doing. 1291 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,600 Speaker 1: I must be doing it wrong, like oh my god, 1292 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,560 Speaker 1: she's doing that, And especially in an industry that is 1293 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,840 Speaker 1: the big players are all on digital, so you see 1294 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,160 Speaker 1: it all constantly, like how do you stay focused in 1295 00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:52,960 Speaker 1: that environment. 1296 00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've really struggled with that over the last couple 1297 00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,640 Speaker 2: of years. I think once again this year has been 1298 00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,160 Speaker 2: my word of the year was alignment. And the last 1299 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,160 Speaker 2: couple of years I felt a little bit out of 1300 00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,880 Speaker 2: alignment in trying. I was stuck in comparison of watching 1301 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,600 Speaker 2: what everyone else was doing in the industry, and there 1302 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,240 Speaker 2: was so many different ways to eat and move, and 1303 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 2: I just wanted to people please and have a platform 1304 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,640 Speaker 2: that cave for everyone and have every single option. And 1305 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,480 Speaker 2: I got so stuck in that rabbit hole of doing 1306 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,520 Speaker 2: things that really weren't aligned with me. And I was, 1307 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,640 Speaker 2: you know, trying to have this meal plan, this way 1308 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,040 Speaker 2: to do things, and I was like, oh, it's not 1309 00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,600 Speaker 2: actually how I like to live and how I like 1310 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,480 Speaker 2: to teach. And at the start of the year, I 1311 00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,360 Speaker 2: sat down with my team and I just said, it's 1312 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,040 Speaker 2: just not feeling aligned. Yes, I want to help, and 1313 00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,640 Speaker 2: yes there was this foundation of healthy eating and moving 1314 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,880 Speaker 2: their body, but I just want to bring everything back 1315 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,840 Speaker 2: to balance. And when I first started, it was all 1316 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,040 Speaker 2: about clean eating. It was all about moving our bodies, 1317 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,400 Speaker 2: having the fun in a group environment, I'd be supported 1318 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 2: and I got lost in this comparison and trying to 1319 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,040 Speaker 2: fit everything in and keep up with this trend and 1320 00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,040 Speaker 2: that trend and that way to eat. And this year 1321 00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,120 Speaker 2: I just went scrap my old app. We completely put 1322 00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:59,880 Speaker 2: that to the size, started a whole new app that 1323 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,120 Speaker 2: It's very very balanced, it's very simple. There's lots of variety, 1324 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,200 Speaker 2: but it's very easy to use, and it's how I live, 1325 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,919 Speaker 2: it's how I teach, it's how I am with my son. 1326 01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,880 Speaker 2: Like I bought it all back to what really does 1327 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,640 Speaker 2: feel true to me, and I still have moments where 1328 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,760 Speaker 2: I'll see someone else in doing that, I'm like, oh, 1329 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,000 Speaker 2: we should I be teaching more about calorie counting a macro. No, 1330 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,080 Speaker 2: I don't want to be focused on numbers. They want 1331 01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,200 Speaker 2: to teach that pool. There's be people that want that, 1332 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,440 Speaker 2: they can go to them, but for me, that's not 1333 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,000 Speaker 2: for me. So I catch myself. But it is hard 1334 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,040 Speaker 2: because it's flashed in front of your eyes all the 1335 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,320 Speaker 2: time and you want to be succeeding and doing this 1336 01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,760 Speaker 2: and that. But I just always bring it back to 1337 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,160 Speaker 2: making sure I'm grounded and sticking true to what is 1338 01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:40,960 Speaker 2: a value to me and how I feel like I 1339 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,480 Speaker 2: can show up to be the best person I can 1340 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,040 Speaker 2: be for everyone that does want my help. 1341 01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:48,040 Speaker 1: I think extrapolating that for outside of the fitness industry 1342 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,680 Speaker 1: and outside of the digital world as well, I think 1343 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,919 Speaker 1: all of us kind of do go through a really 1344 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,840 Speaker 1: intense comparison phase where we just mimic what everyone else 1345 01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,720 Speaker 1: is doing because we feel like that's what we were lacking, 1346 01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,320 Speaker 1: and we do get lost and suddenly, if you're pleasing everyone, 1347 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,400 Speaker 1: you're not actually pleasing anyone because not everyone's the same. 1348 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,560 Speaker 1: And then finally you have like this moment where you 1349 01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,920 Speaker 1: realize actually you've lost yourself entirely and you come back 1350 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,400 Speaker 1: to like it's almost like a right of passage, like 1351 01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:13,800 Speaker 1: you have to kind of get lost in all of 1352 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,200 Speaker 1: that to come back to what really matters. 1353 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,840 Speaker 2: It's like when you hit rock bottom. The only way 1354 01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,160 Speaker 2: up where you've got us to go up. That's the 1355 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:22,920 Speaker 2: beauty and isn't it. 1356 01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,200 Speaker 1: So the final section is Playta, where we do strip 1357 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,560 Speaker 1: back all the layers that we have gone through. As 1358 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,160 Speaker 1: she is a mom, Ash is a businesswoman, Ash as 1359 01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,280 Speaker 1: a trainer, like all the different us that you are, 1360 01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,520 Speaker 1: which is not to discount any of them, they all 1361 01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,360 Speaker 1: play such an important role but there has to be 1362 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,480 Speaker 1: an ashy that isn't productive, that isn't on brand, that 1363 01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,760 Speaker 1: isn't even thinking about all of those things, And that's 1364 01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,160 Speaker 1: just playing. And when you love your job, it's like 1365 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,720 Speaker 1: you don't ever feel like you need that. But I 1366 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,880 Speaker 1: think that's maybe when you need it most, because you 1367 01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,320 Speaker 1: can't be fresh and creative when you're not just doing 1368 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,240 Speaker 1: things just for the sake it's and giggles. So what 1369 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:02,080 Speaker 1: do you do for play? 1370 01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? I do so much. I mean last week I 1371 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,040 Speaker 2: had my first lesson flat boarding. Have you heard of that? 1372 01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,440 Speaker 2: It's like a surfboard that you like, it's got this 1373 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,040 Speaker 2: machine underneath it lazy. Yeah, it goes above like a 1374 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,120 Speaker 2: river or the beach whatever. I'm not in the waves yet. 1375 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,960 Speaker 2: And it was actually quite a hard, hard sport to learn, 1376 01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,600 Speaker 2: but did that it was amazing. Last couple of weeks, 1377 01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,440 Speaker 2: I've bought a skateboard. I've been learning how to skate. 1378 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm not very good, but isn't that the thing? I 1379 01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,240 Speaker 1: feel like your playta is usually something you're comfortable with 1380 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,280 Speaker 1: being a beginner and you don't care about getting better at. 1381 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm quite an athlete, like I've always picked 1382 01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,400 Speaker 2: up sports quite easy, so it's definitely a challenge. And 1383 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,200 Speaker 2: a little boys really into scootering at the moment, So 1384 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,200 Speaker 2: we're going to the skate park and we practice scootering 1385 01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,080 Speaker 2: and skateboarding. So that's fun. But I think having a 1386 01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,600 Speaker 2: barb like he'sn't above is five anymore. Having a small 1387 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,760 Speaker 2: human you really bring out that playful side in you. 1388 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,480 Speaker 2: And I'm definitely more cautious, like I want to be 1389 01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,320 Speaker 2: in my kneepads on my skateboard now whereas when I 1390 01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:59,360 Speaker 2: was younger too. But yeah, having fun is so important, 1391 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,480 Speaker 2: and you get older, I think we forget to have 1392 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,960 Speaker 2: fun and I always want to keep that big kid 1393 01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,000 Speaker 2: alive inside me. Yeah, that's why I try to do 1394 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,760 Speaker 2: new things and adventure out on the weekends and just yeah, 1395 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:11,840 Speaker 2: always have fun, and I think it's so important. Otherwise you're 1396 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,560 Speaker 2: just working to live, you know exactly. 1397 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,200 Speaker 1: I always say you're not here to work and die, 1398 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:17,880 Speaker 1: Like that is just not the point. I mean, you 1399 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,880 Speaker 1: could spend your whole life doing that, but that's clearly 1400 01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,880 Speaker 1: you'd be missing out on the entirety of just like 1401 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,560 Speaker 1: the joy and sees the ya. I actually got asked 1402 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,960 Speaker 1: by my publisher whether I really was stuck on the 1403 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,160 Speaker 1: word ea because they're like it's too childish, like it's 1404 01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,680 Speaker 1: really juvenile, and I was like, great, that's it exactly 1405 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,800 Speaker 1: why I use it, because we lose that childlike sense 1406 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,120 Speaker 1: of wonder and everything is too serious and it reminds 1407 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,120 Speaker 1: me to just be playful and just look stupid and 1408 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,120 Speaker 1: not care about it, like fall off a skateboard and 1409 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,360 Speaker 1: like who cares? You know, we don't like just throw 1410 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,600 Speaker 1: our bodies around like idiots anymore because we're so serious 1411 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,000 Speaker 1: and we're so prittible. 1412 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,640 Speaker 2: Worried about people sick, and to think or does it 1413 01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,160 Speaker 2: make us look not professional or not on brand? Yeah, 1414 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,360 Speaker 2: one hundred percent. I agree with you got to keep 1415 01:03:58,440 --> 01:03:59,440 Speaker 2: that ya that play. 1416 01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,920 Speaker 1: Do you do any dumb things like just Netflix binges 1417 01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:03,920 Speaker 1: or like, oh. 1418 01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh, I love Netflix. I've gone through 1419 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,000 Speaker 2: some series. We're actually watching Alia's at the Moment, which 1420 01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,720 Speaker 2: was filmed on Jennifer Oh fifteen years ago. 1421 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,600 Speaker 1: That is a blast from the past, Oh. 1422 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,040 Speaker 2: My god, because you know when you watch a series 1423 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,080 Speaker 2: and then they've only got like three episodes and you 1424 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:21,520 Speaker 2: have to wait for the next one. This is like 1425 01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,080 Speaker 2: seven seasons, so we are like immersed in alien's moments, 1426 01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,080 Speaker 2: So I love that switch off too. It makes me 1427 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,760 Speaker 2: just forget about works, to get about stress, forget about 1428 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,040 Speaker 2: everything else, and I'm just like immersed in this other world. 1429 01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,320 Speaker 2: It's just nice to relax totally. 1430 01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,120 Speaker 1: We've gone back to the start of Hawaii fi O 1431 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:38,520 Speaker 1: because there are eleven seasons. 1432 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:39,120 Speaker 2: Good one. 1433 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:40,800 Speaker 1: It was like, I don't even care what the show 1434 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,480 Speaker 1: is about. I just know there's eleven seasons, so I'm 1435 01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:43,680 Speaker 1: not going to run out really quickly. 1436 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,280 Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly what you were thinking. Love it. 1437 01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,560 Speaker 1: And second last question to finish out, what are three 1438 01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,440 Speaker 1: interesting things about you that don't normally come up in conversation. 1439 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,600 Speaker 1: And I know this is hard because you do share 1440 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,600 Speaker 1: a lot, So give us three things we wouldn't normally 1441 01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:58,200 Speaker 1: hear about you. 1442 01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,160 Speaker 2: I'm thinking your audience might not have even heard of 1443 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,080 Speaker 2: who I am before, so they probably haven't heard this 1444 01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,480 Speaker 2: about me. But there's a couple. I am terrified of flying, 1445 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,080 Speaker 2: like going on a plane, and if anyone wants to 1446 01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,920 Speaker 2: look at my social media, I travel at not since COVID, 1447 01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,120 Speaker 2: but before that, I travel a lot to work for 1448 01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:18,120 Speaker 2: pleasure interviews. I love traveling. I love traveling, but actually 1449 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:22,080 Speaker 2: getting on the plane is really hard. I get massive anxiety. 1450 01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,640 Speaker 2: I shake. There's even I filmed here like a reality 1451 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,000 Speaker 2: series for YouTube, and there's one clip where I'm in 1452 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,000 Speaker 2: the back and you full sea. You go into my 1453 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,160 Speaker 2: panic attack. It is really bad. I've gotten better over 1454 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,440 Speaker 2: the years because I've learned ways to breathe and like distract. 1455 01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,880 Speaker 2: But that's huge. I'm absolutely terrified of flying. I would 1456 01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,920 Speaker 2: rather be thrown in a pool of sharks than go 1457 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,760 Speaker 2: in a plane accident. Like wow. 1458 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,200 Speaker 1: Also, you are far too humble. I feel like everyone 1459 01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:50,280 Speaker 1: in my audience has heard of you. 1460 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,000 Speaker 2: But I don't know about that. 1461 01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:53,160 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. 1462 01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,680 Speaker 2: The funny thing is I hate I hate avocado. I 1463 01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,080 Speaker 2: feel like everyone loves avocado, and I hate avocado. 1464 01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,160 Speaker 1: Okay, I can't cope with that. You're in health and wellness, So. 1465 01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,000 Speaker 2: It's just the taste, the texture, the smell, the look 1466 01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,400 Speaker 2: of it. I'm like earth, that is just not a cute. 1467 01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,600 Speaker 2: Type of that's not cute. I really don't like it. 1468 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,120 Speaker 2: Butt You'll love me because I put frozen avocado in 1469 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,400 Speaker 2: my smoothies because of the benefits, and I can't taste 1470 01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,440 Speaker 2: it makes it nice and thick and creamy, but I 1471 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,200 Speaker 2: just I hate it. It's just such a gross food. 1472 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it is the actual best food in there. 1473 01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,720 Speaker 1: It's a staple of everything. Like, how do you even 1474 01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:26,360 Speaker 1: be a health and wellness person? 1475 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,000 Speaker 2: I know, I know, right. Everyone gets very shocked at that. 1476 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,640 Speaker 2: And the last thing would be is I love, love, 1477 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:38,400 Speaker 2: love tattoos. I think tattoos on men are just so sexy, 1478 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,840 Speaker 2: and tattoos on women when they like tell a story, 1479 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:45,240 Speaker 2: I think so cool. I have one, two, three, four, five, 1480 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,280 Speaker 2: I have six tattoos. They're all in like places that 1481 01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,720 Speaker 2: are quite hidden, like on my wrists, in my toes, 1482 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,840 Speaker 2: like my fingers, my angers. Yeah, little ones like you've got. 1483 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,320 Speaker 2: I love tattoos. I just anyone with a tattoo, I'm like, 1484 01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,920 Speaker 2: so curious on what it is, and tell me the 1485 01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,600 Speaker 2: story behind it, the art of it and the feeling 1486 01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,640 Speaker 2: of getting them done. Like I love tattoos. 1487 01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,600 Speaker 1: Wow, would you go like a full sleep? 1488 01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,400 Speaker 2: I would have been myself. And I really wished my 1489 01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,640 Speaker 2: husband loved them. He's the opposite of me. Hates them, 1490 01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:13,880 Speaker 2: hates them, and I'm like, damn it, I find them 1491 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,240 Speaker 2: so sexy. Like always pictured myself with a man with 1492 01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,360 Speaker 2: like a full sleeve. He hates them. 1493 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:19,919 Speaker 1: Oh my god, so he doesn't even have one. 1494 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,840 Speaker 2: Here's two my name and Taje's name. But purely I 1495 01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,560 Speaker 2: think because of a bit of pressure for me, I'm 1496 01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:29,640 Speaker 2: like wotooz. He hated it. He he hates tatoos, he 1497 01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,480 Speaker 2: hates getting them done. He doesn't like them at all. 1498 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,360 Speaker 1: Wow, oh my gosh. 1499 01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,600 Speaker 2: I wish he liked them and you got a full sleep, 1500 01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:37,480 Speaker 2: But it's not going to happen. 1501 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,280 Speaker 1: You can maybe get, like when technology gets better, you 1502 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:42,920 Speaker 1: can get one of those like printed ones that you 1503 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:44,720 Speaker 1: can just have on for like a little while and 1504 01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:50,280 Speaker 1: just just enjoy wear this my last question, since I 1505 01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,200 Speaker 1: love quotes so much, what's your favorite quote? 1506 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,720 Speaker 2: Oh? There's so many, and I love listening to your 1507 01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,320 Speaker 2: daily quotes that you put on Instagram stories. They're just 1508 01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,680 Speaker 2: so awesome. My favorite is you rows through what you 1509 01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,720 Speaker 2: go through. So I think everything that you were going through, 1510 01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:06,640 Speaker 2: you were going to grow through it. And that's once again, 1511 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,800 Speaker 2: just find that lesson, find a gift, find that little 1512 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,840 Speaker 2: pearl of wisdom that is gonna it's going to elevate 1513 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,280 Speaker 2: you in whatever area of your life. Everything you're growing through, 1514 01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,720 Speaker 2: everything you're going through, you're going to grow through it, 1515 01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,280 Speaker 2: and that's just I think that's such a motivation every 1516 01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,040 Speaker 2: single day that no matter what life throws at me, 1517 01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:23,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to grow through it and come out the 1518 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,880 Speaker 2: side more wise and more stronger, more lessons to teach. 1519 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,599 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I think that represents you so well. 1520 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,040 Speaker 1: That's such a good one and you've left us with 1521 01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,080 Speaker 1: so many pearls of wisdom. Everyone, you have to get 1522 01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,200 Speaker 1: your hands on Ashy's incredible new book. It's a wonderful 1523 01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:41,519 Speaker 1: resource for growing through what you go through. You're such 1524 01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,120 Speaker 1: an inspiration, Ashy. Thank you so much for joining. 1525 01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,000 Speaker 2: Oh thank you for having me. I really hope everyone 1526 01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:47,920 Speaker 2: enjoyed it, and I always love talking to you, so 1527 01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:48,680 Speaker 2: thanks for having me. 1528 01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,599 Speaker 1: If any of you walk away each week with either 1529 01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,080 Speaker 1: a new perspective on life or a new perspective on 1530 01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,599 Speaker 1: our guest, I have more than done my job and 1531 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,439 Speaker 1: I've walked away with both today, so I hope some 1532 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:03,559 Speaker 1: of you did. 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