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Speaker 1: Hello, lovely neighborhood, and welcome to our Olympic Spotlight series.

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Speaker 1: As you will know, we are back recording new episodes

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Speaker 1: after our extended ninety two business month hiatus, now that

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Speaker 1: mum life is becoming a little bit smoother, but given

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Speaker 1: that we find ourselves in the middle of Paris twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four and it is such a special time for

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Speaker 1: the whole world. I love the Olympics so much I

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Speaker 1: get emotional every time. I thought we'd also do a

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Speaker 1: to have had so many incredible Olympians as past guests,

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Speaker 1: who are also competing right now over in Paris. And

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Speaker 1: while our conversations are from a while back, so please

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Speaker 1: mind the outdated time references. The essence of this show

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Speaker 1: is reflecting on people's different chapters along the way, and

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Speaker 1: I thought it would be fascinating to reflect on how

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Speaker 1: far they've all come since our last chat, some of

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Speaker 1: which were even before the last Olympics in Tokyo. As

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Speaker 1: I mentioned last episode, athletes aren't allowed to record from

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Speaker 1: the Olympic village and or they can do interviews, but

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Speaker 1: which is why we couldn't do catch up episodes with

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Speaker 1: these guests. But we do have a future record after

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Speaker 1: the Olympics are over, so stay tuned for those in

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Speaker 1: the meantime. I hope you are all loving watching along

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Speaker 1: and enjoy these throwback listens. Busy and happy are not

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Speaker 1: all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm Sarah Davidson

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Speaker 1: finding a life you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge,

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Speaker 1: joy and fulfillment along the way. So let me introduce

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Speaker 1: medallist Telliqua Clancy You've probably seen I've been reflecting on

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Speaker 1: cza's commitment to diversity of all kinds, but also in

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Speaker 1: light of the past few weeks the best way to

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Speaker 1: contribute to the BIPOC dialogue specifically, and Telliqua is the

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Speaker 1: first of a few wonderful guests coming up who offer

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Speaker 1: some generously personal and thought provoking insights to the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Growing up in king Roy, Queensland, otherwise known as Peanut Town,

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Speaker 1: over two hundred kilometers from the nearest beach, you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: expect Olympic success at beach volleyball to be in Telliqua's future,

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Speaker 1: and yet she reached the quarterfinals in Rio, becoming the

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Speaker 1: on her way to the slightly delayed Tokyo Olympics next year.

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Speaker 1: Telliqua is also an ambassador for our mutually beloved Cadbury,

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Speaker 1: who are launching an amazing smart watch campaign this week

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Speaker 1: to support us all staying active in Io, which you'll

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Speaker 1: hear more about. I'll let teleiku tell you the rest,

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Speaker 1: and I hope you enjoy as much as I did. Talikua,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to CZA.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. So happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's such a pleasure and so weird to not

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Speaker 1: be able to meet you in person, but still so

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Speaker 1: lovely to see your face you do.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, crazy times right.

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Speaker 1: Now, Oh my gosh, I know so much pivoting and adapting. Well,

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Speaker 1: Are you an ISO fan or do you hate it?

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Speaker 2: A bit of both? Actually super lucky because obviously I'm

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Speaker 1: I actually think we're all quietly real, introverted hermit crabs

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Speaker 2: Like the thing for me too is being beach volleyballer.

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Speaker 2: So that's where I was lucky enough. In grade eight,

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I mean that is just so young

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Speaker 1: to just be, you know, yoinked out of where you

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Speaker 2: And then again the funniest thing is I remember the

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Speaker 2: first day I played beach volleyball. It was like Qas

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I remember the first time I heard of terran

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Speaker 1: think we forget that. For us, we're like, okay, cool,

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00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 1: it's been postponed. You know, people have to change their flights.

435
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 1: As a spectator, the impact on you is like pretty small,

436
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 1: Like it's disappointing, but it's one year. But for you guys,

437
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,160
Speaker 1: like every minute since the last one has been about

438
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: the next one being on this particular time, Like you

439
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,919
Speaker 1: peak at a certain time and to have it moved

440
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: is like absolutely grout, Like it changes everything for you

441
00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 1: mentally physically. So how have you know once that news

442
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 1: like focusing your whole last four years on this year,

443
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 1: once that news came through of you know it's going

444
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 1: to actually have to move. How do you shift from

445
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 1: that disappointment uncertainty phase to okay, refocus, just readjust deal

446
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: with it, start trying again. How do you make that shift?

447
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: How do you deal with like the perfect conditions that

448
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 1: you'd set all this time changing It's.

449
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 2: Definitely wasn't easy. I'm so for myself, I'm a very

450
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 2: much an extrovert, so I feel like half the time

451
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 2: me having talks with my coach is actually more important

452
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 2: than me having a same session because in the beginning,

453
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 2: we're actually in Cooling Gatta and it was meant to

454
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 2: be our first event on our word to a calendar,

455
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 2: and unfortunately, right before that event started it got postponed

456
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,120
Speaker 2: and my family's in Queensland and the Olympics band wasn't

457
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 2: officially postponed, but I had a feeling that it was

458
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 2: that was the path that it was going to take.

459
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 2: And I just remember because I was like, well, I

460
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 2: don't want to go back to Adelaide, like Maria Fey

461
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 2: and Kirk and his family we've already went back, and

462
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 2: I was like, I think I want to be with

463
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: my family right now, and then like just it's so

464
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: important to have those great relationships because it could easily

465
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: I could just pick the boone to Kirk and I

466
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 2: was just like, Okay, these are my concerns. And then

467
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: for hing him He was like, you know what, I

468
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 2: feel like it's important that we isolate together. The Olympics

469
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: is still going forward, and I think it's important we

470
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 2: stay together so we can continue training. And I was like, okay,

471
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 2: So those those have been like extremely important because even

472
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 2: in times now, a lot of it's a lot more technical.

473
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: I call this a very very long preseason, so that's

474
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 2: difficult in itself. So yeah, it's just been important to

475
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: that we sat down and we set like little goals

476
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 2: about what we want to do and just keep checking in.

477
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 2: We do that every week with our sports like as

478
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: well as a team. We just go okay, so where

479
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 2: are we all at and set really clear goals. That's

480
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 2: been like massive for us during this period of time. Yeah.

481
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: I think this is a time where things like sports

482
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: psychologists and psychologists generally are so important. I mean, I know,

483
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: I Leana is so heavily online keeping a check on

484
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: your anxiety and mental health. While there's so much uncertainties,

485
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 1: it's just so great to know you're all supporting each

486
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: other so you can perform at your best when it

487
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 1: finally does come around.

488
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: And we're just so like you're in Adelaide too, go

489
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: like just to have the ability to get back into

490
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 2: training and things like that changes everything, yeah, for sure.

491
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: And that you have a beach near you, like imagine

492
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: if you were back in king Aroy they do.

493
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: Actually have a beach volleybood court at the swimming pool.

494
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 2: I don't know how or why, but it's been there

495
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: since I was in high school and I never would

496
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: play on it too.

497
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: I like then, oh my gosh, places to be and

498
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: from king Arroyd to now the amazing roles like as

499
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: Cadbury am fassat out one of my favorite to companies

500
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: in the world. I just read about their smart watch

501
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: campaign that actually went live this week that I think

502
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: will help lots of us stay active during this time.

503
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: Maybe not as active as you, but still so tell

504
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 1: us about your role the campaign and why you're so

505
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: excited about being a Cabria ambassador.

506
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: It's definitely perfect. Like if you do the hard work,

507
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: you get a little treat too. It's like the double right. Yeah,

508
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: So on the eighth of July, Cabria will start their

509
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 2: smart watch campaign and if you purchase two chocolate bars

510
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 2: in like two weeks the first five hundred I knew

511
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 2: it was in the beginning I don't know if they've

512
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 2: rapped it up, is able to go on the website

513
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 2: and get themselves a smart watch. So I've been super

514
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: lucky that it's already been helping me, like keeping me

515
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: up to date with my steps, and it's really good

516
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 2: even just for sleep quality. We do a lot of

517
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: work with tracking that that's very important for us as athletes.

518
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: What else it does? Like everything? Honestly, you can check

519
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 2: your heart rate? It can, Yeah, literally, it's pretty cool.

520
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: It's a fun new toy that I have.

521
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: I also feel like if anyone wanted to be an

522
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: ambassador of anything, to get the perks of being an ambassador,

523
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: it would be Cabury one hundred percent.

524
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: Someone must have told them how much I love chocolates.

525
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeahs, Like, so, what are your favorite Cabri chocolates?

526
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 2: Definitely they're roasted, hazel out and in the dark chocolate. Honestly,

527
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: I love all of them, but I'm definitely like anything

528
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: with nuts, even like rum and raisin, rum and raisin. Oo,

529
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, there's too many.

530
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: They also brought back Marvel recently, which was like a

531
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 1: throwback to my whole teenager. I think they sent me

532
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: one bar and then I just got obsessed again and

533
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: I had to go back to Zimarket and buy like

534
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: the ten that they had left on the shelf.

535
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: I know it takes you back, hey, completely to your childhood.

536
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: That's I was like, yes.

537
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 1: And then some of the other amazing things you've been

538
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: able to use your profile and platform for have been

539
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 1: maintaining roots with the indigenous community and mentoring in some

540
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: remote areas. I think you partnered with port Adelaide.

541
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: Football Club, was it, Yeah, port Adlaid Football Club.

542
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: And their Aboriginal Power Cup program.

543
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and that's all a part of the port

544
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: Adelaid Football Club and just recently now too, I'm also

545
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: the ambassador for Deadly Choices, which is all about Aboriginal

546
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: health too, which is incredible. They do a lot of

547
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: even just like for tobacco, just like going out to schools.

548
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,959
Speaker 2: It's it's more a Queenslin based. But yeah, that's another

549
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 2: great group that I'm part of now as well. Oh

550
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 2: that's so weird. Yeah, I've been. It's amazing. I love

551
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: every minute when I can if I'm not traveling, and

552
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 2: it's been obviously a hip too, because obviously no one

553
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: can travel, so I haven't been able to go out

554
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: to the remote communities. But yeah, I've just been so

555
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 2: blessed that I was able to get that opportunity to

556
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: be an ambassador for them and to go out to

557
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: those communities because it's, honestly, it's so important. It's like

558
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: the best job in the world. Honestly, I can't explain.

559
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 2: It's so rewarding. And I hope that I can make

560
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: a really strong impact because there isn't too many female

561
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: Aboriginal athletes around, so it's nice to go out to

562
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: those remote communities and for the girls to know, you know,

563
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: it's not just all about footing. There's a lot of

564
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 2: there's a lot of other things you can do out there.

565
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 2: But even if it is the older, younger generation, just

566
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: to hopefully make a good positive impact is important.

567
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: And I think also having really good role models, like

568
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: even reading back your story and seeing what an impact

569
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: just watching Kathy Freeman at eight years old, like eight

570
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: years old when you don't really kind of care about

571
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: the future or you know, you're just so in your

572
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: own little bubble, the impact that she could make on you,

573
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: and like no one had done it in your sport before,

574
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: but you're like now I'm just going to do it.

575
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the first Olympian to play this

576
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: sport from the Indigenous community.

577
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: It's crazy because like for me, it just feels like

578
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: such an honor right now, like just to be alongside

579
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: the likes of all the amazing Aboriginal Olympians. It's crazy

580
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: to think like that I am the first Aboriginal athlete

581
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: to play beachroy But like that's insane. I'm sure that'll

582
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: seek inn further down the line, but right now it's

583
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: just a huge honor.

584
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Actually that's so interesting as well that those

585
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: things kind of don't hit you when they happen because

586
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm just doing the thing, and then one

587
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: day you'll wake up and be like, oh my god,

588
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: like that was actually me.

589
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: That's a thing, Like that's a big deal.

590
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: And you probably do without even knowing how probably inspiring

591
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: like so many young women out there to believe that

592
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: they can do it too, without being able to tell

593
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: you necessarily. But when you do do those community visits,

594
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure getting that kind of feedback would just make

595
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: your life.

596
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, you just yeah, you don't realize the

597
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 2: impact you have. But I feel like, that's such a

598
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: blessing of being an athlete. I try not to take

599
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: that for granted and I try to use it in

600
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: a positive steps moving forward. Yeah.

601
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely so they have clearly been so many highs. But

602
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: the next section is called Natya, which we've covered a bit,

603
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: but where we explore in a bit more depth the

604
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: real challenges and barriers to your ya along the way,

605
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: like self doubt, burnout, you know, adjusting to being in

606
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: the public eye, especially given the way the past few

607
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: weeks is unfolded with the Bipop conversation really coming to

608
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: the forefront of our minds. Perhaps we can start with

609
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: your experience as a member of the Aboriginal community.

610
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: I think it's hard for all the Aboriginal community. It

611
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: is heavy. It's very emotional, like it's super heavy because

612
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: for me, which has kind of insane is that everyone

613
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: just wants to see it as a USA issue and

614
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, this is an issue that we all

615
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: face daily in the Australian community. And that's what makes

616
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: it hard, because it's really hard to use our voice

617
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: all the time and just to be told that we're

618
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: ungrateful and that you know, we're all about just sent

619
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: link and things like that, like that stuff that's really

620
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: really hard to keep hearing. But also for me it

621
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: goes okay, I've held my voice back too much. You

622
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: need to start speaking up. So it's giving more. It's

623
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: empowered me in that way. Like I do try to

624
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: see them positive. I'm extremely proud of how the Aberagect

625
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: community has used their voice to be like no, this

626
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: isn't okay. And these are examples of how it does

627
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: affect our community, how it is still very present and

628
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: alive in Australia. Yeah, it's been really heavy, to be honest.

629
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's so many facets to it as well.

630
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: Do you sometimes find that it is an enormous, enormous

631
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: achievement to be the first Indigenous person to compete in

632
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: an Olympics in your sport? But do you ever find

633
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: that sometimes you're like, I'm more than just that, Like

634
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: that's not the only thing I've done, Whereas people keep coming.

635
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: Back to that totally. Oh, and I agree sometimes like

636
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: I do get concerned if like if I'm going to

637
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: be like for I don't know if this is appropriate

638
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: to say, but this is how I use it, the

639
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: token BLAG. I do feel like that sometimes and especially

640
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: being a female athlete, But I know I'm a lot

641
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: more than that, and I do trust that people see

642
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: a lot more than that. But there is a side

643
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: that goes like is it this, like could it be

644
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: like yeah, you know, like that's that's not nice thought

645
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: to go to. But I know that I am a

646
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: lot more than that, And so again, like I said,

647
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: I just try to use that in a positive as

648
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: in like, Okay, this is another great platform for me

649
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: to educate people. And I feel like that's the most

650
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: important part, is like creating that cultural awareness without being

651
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: able to like have that voice, and like I said,

652
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: like kids in primary school now learning about that, and

653
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: though you know, like there's all generations now that can

654
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: take those steps to be more culturally aware, and I

655
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: feel like slowly people are more wanting to know that,

656
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: which is really really good. Yeah, we've still got a

657
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: long way to go.

658
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: I love though that you're taking the positives out of

659
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: everything that's happened and making it about using the platforms

660
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: and the newer opportunities to share those stories and share

661
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: your message. And I think if everyone had a really

662
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: positive spin on it, we'd probably get a lot further

663
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: a lot quicker.

664
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Speaker 2: It's not. It's never easy, but you just always try

665
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: and fight the find the positive. Yeah. Absolutely.

666
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: What about in other contexts where you've had that like

667
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 1: sort of small voice of doubt or wonder in sport

668
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: like I'm not good enough or I imagine you guys

669
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: are just perfectionists with your performance and your body and

670
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: like you, you know, really can run yourself into the

671
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: ground by just feeling like you've always got to perform.

672
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: And also when you don't win, like, how does that

673
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: how do you deal with your idea of success in

674
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: your mind if it's a silver Like is that a loss?

675
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: Or is that you know? I feel like a lot

676
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: of athletes are like, if I don't win gold, it's

677
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: I've lost, But everyone else is like, you still got

678
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: a medal in the Olympics, like it's amazing. Yeah, So

679
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: how do you deal with that?

680
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? I feel like that's like so unique for every

681
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: athlete because for myself, I'm such an extrovert and re

682
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: phase in introverts. So as a team is it's funny

683
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: to like watch and navigate how we go through wins

684
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: and losses and moments of self doubt. But they definitely

685
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: come I feel like I'm so blessed in terms of

686
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: being athlete. I think that's the best part of me

687
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: an athlete is we get like sport psychologists, and you know,

688
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: we have to learn those You have to like look

689
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: deep into yourself and understand like where those self doubts

690
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: come from, and learning techniques and skills and your routine

691
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: to help manage your self doubts. But for sure they come.

692
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: They come all the time, and I feel like if

693
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 2: we don't have it, I don't feel like I love

694
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: my supports stills. So it's not easy. I can definitely

695
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: tell in a what my burnout was definitely post twenty sixteen.

696
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: And to start in this new Olympic cycle. Every Olympic

697
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: cycle for an athlete, an organization and sports, there's always

698
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: a massive shift. So I lost my coach Steve and

699
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: peeping the world to me and there was a whole

700
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: reform of the whole program. So that was particularly difficult

701
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: for myself because you know, the Olympic sits, you put

702
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: so much, you put all four years into this one goal,

703
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: and it takes a lot of mental and emotional energy

704
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: out of you. And I did struggle to find my

705
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: motivation again post twenty sixteen. That was pretty difficult for me,

706
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: and that took like a whole year of like whole

707
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: of twenty seventeen to really like fight through it and

708
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: even just to have that motivation to play games on tour.

709
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: And you know, that was a particularly tough year, and

710
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: I'm so happy that I was able to stick through

711
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: it because everything changed so quickly. And then the next year,

712
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: you know, I'm getting this silver a Meta at the

713
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: Civil Metal at the Common Games, which is just incredible,

714
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: you know, like that at home in Queensland. So I'm

715
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: so grateful that I've built this resilience to just keep

716
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: going through the hard times like that was a particularly

717
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: rough time of my year, and I'm so happy I

718
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: stuck it out because it's just coming third last year

719
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: two at World Chance, like that's just these are like

720
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: big steps like I've taken forward, which is kind of

721
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: crazy to think about.

722
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: I also think it's this section is always where people

723
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: have their biggest revelations. They're always like I only made

724
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: those jumps because it was a bit of a shit

725
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: year and I did have a bit of a shit time,

726
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: Like you only make your big growth through having to

727
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: confront things that aren't comfortable or aren't part of your habit,

728
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: and it seems like you've taken the best out of

729
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: all of those times to now like make each new

730
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: challenge easier because you do have that strength and resilience,

731
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: which is wonderful. So the very last section is called Playta,

732
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: which is my favorite because I think, you know, we

733
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: all have a lot of labels, and I mean, particularly

734
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: in the conversations we've been having lately, there are even

735
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: more labels ascribed to everyone around us as a particular color,

736
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: a particular sport, a particular age, like everything is categorized,

737
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: and I think underneath all of that, there's just a

738
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: person who has interests that are outside of their vocation

739
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: or their career. And you know, it's like our inner child.

740
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 1: But so many of us trap that person under being

741
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: busy and under goals and just trying to be successful

742
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: and you know, hit metrics in life. And I think

743
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: it's so important to find things that are play for you,

744
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: that are just when you just want to forget what

745
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: time it is, when you don't want to be athlete

746
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: te Liqua indigenous to Liqua, when you just want to

747
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: be yourself, just have fun for the sake of it.

748
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: So how do you play when you're not training? What

749
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: do you do just for joy in your downtime?

750
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think the number one for me is just

751
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: being an auntie. Honestly, that's like, that's like everything to me.

752
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: And I feel like too because my coach also has

753
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 2: two young kids as well. They're like four and two,

754
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 2: and I'm always like drawing with them and stuff like that,

755
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 2: and I'm like, Okay, maybe I am more artistic, like

756
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: than what I think I am, Like I need to

757
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: start getting into or maybe just because they're so kind

758
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: and they just tell me I'm a really good drawer. Yeah.

759
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: I think kids are so good for their needs are

760
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: so immediate. They don't have their minds like adults, like tomorrow,

761
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: what am I going to do next week? What I

762
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: need to do in two years. They're very now and

763
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: that's so good for you to be around that.

764
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, definitely. I surround myself children. Honestly, I'm like obsessed.

765
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: That's why I like going to the pathways and like

766
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: obaginal health and that It's just been so nice and

767
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, let's go play.

768
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: Let's other than that. And I imagine eating a lot

769
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: of Cadbury. Are you a Netflix watcher? Do you read books?

770
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: I am a total binge Netflix. Honestly, I had to

771
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 2: keep I had to borrow my best friend's stand account

772
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: because I was like, I need more shows.

773
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: You've run out of the whole of Netflix.

774
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 2: I really have, I really have. Like I'm just I'm

775
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 2: watching a harder dis Dixie. I don't say the word Dixie.

776
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 2: What else documentaries. I'm getting really into true crime at

777
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: the moment, which I need to be careful of because

778
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: if I watch it too late, I can't sleep. I

779
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: put on like a Disney movie or something, so I

780
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: got to be careful.

781
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with true crime, like and crime fiction. I think,

782
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: like anything crime, I'm just so into. And then like

783
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: if I need a pee in the middle of the night,

784
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm so scared to run to the bathroom because I'm like, there's.

785
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: A murderer more totally, Oh my god. It used to

786
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: give me so much anxiety, as like being an athlete.

787
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: It was like when I go on World Tour, that's

788
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 2: like my other life and then I come back to reality.

789
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 2: If I watch it on World tour, I could still

790
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: sleep but when I come back and I try to

791
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: do it at home, nah, I can't.

792
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: If you hadn't, like I love that you knew you

793
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: want to be a sportsperson for so long. If there

794
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: was any other career that you could do and just

795
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: assume like you could be good at it, there'd be

796
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: no barriers. Is there anything else you can imagine yourself

797
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: having done other than being an artist?

798
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: Obviously I'll turn it, that's for sure. I've always really

799
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: been drawn to health for some reason. But I was

800
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: never particularly good at school, but I've always been really

801
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: drawn to that side and stuff, so and health is

802
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: such a drawn area too, so I've always just been

803
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: more drawn more drawn to that side. If it was

804
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: like maybe nursing or something like that, I think i'd

805
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: be really into. When I was younger, I loved grades

806
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: anatomy too, and I thought I wanted to be a doctor.

807
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

808
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: And then I realized that you actually have to be

809
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 2: really smart.

810
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: You also have to go to UNI for like fifteen

811
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: years or something. Yeah, oh my god, I'm so not

812
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: that patient.

813
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: I'm like itchy feet because I just can't get my

814
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: passport out. I feel like i'm neglecting it, the poor thing.

815
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh and yours would get such a bashing

816
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: with being around like everywhere else.

817
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: I've been gone through like two and like the past

818
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: year and a half, Like it's just crazy. They just

819
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: go so quick. Pretty cool.

820
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: We travel a lot as well, not obviously to the

821
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: same extent as you, but for work we travel a lot.

822
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: And I've actually found, like you almost travel back to

823
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: back so much that you don't get excited for the

824
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: next trip because you're just so spoilt for the trips.

825
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: And it's been nice to just build up that appreciation

826
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: for actually how amazing it is that you can go

827
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: to another country on a plane and just be somewhere else,

828
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, Like it's been nice to not take it

829
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: for granted and be rushing around.

830
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure seen it.

831
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

832
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: I'm so jealous of like all my European like competitors

833
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: because they're all in like summer and I'm like just

834
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: here in Australia where it's chili. The joy is I

835
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: can have more cabarry because it's winter and I don't

836
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: have to put on a bikini, so I don't feel.

837
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: Like guilty, that's true. But you've got your smart watch now,

838
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: so you're obviously got to be super.

839
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 2: Fit exactly exactly. It's balance. It's all about.

840
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: Balance, absolutely. So just to finish up, what are three

841
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: interesting things about you that don't normally come up in conversation?

842
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: Oh my god, like pet peeves, or like party tricks

843
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: or party tricks, like weird things about you that no

844
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: one else knows.

845
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: The worst part about me is I'm so open. I

846
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: tell everybody everything, so it's like not much that people

847
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 2: don't know about me.

848
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: They're the best things, though, The weird like overshares, I'm like, yeah, yeah,

849
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: more of those.

850
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: I guess I can tell. I have like six tattoos

851
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: and I don't think people see it or we see it.

852
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: But I did actually get the Olympic tattoos under my

853
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: this is my hitting arm, I write in, so that

854
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 2: was so it's kind of hidden with like when my

855
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: crop chop comes. And my first tattoo actually was the

856
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: Aboriginal flag. Oh my, that was my first tattoo. I

857
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 2: used to claim that I was the first person ever

858
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: to do this, but I one of my cousins, we

859
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: had it on his chest the whole time. I had

860
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: no idea. I was like oh, oh, that made me

861
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: feel a bit special. And I know, but I was like, oh,

862
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: that's cute. That's in the family. I'm obsessed with, like guacamole.

863
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: I think my boyfriend like, honestly, if you ever want

864
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Speaker 2: to woomby, get me some guacamole. I don't know, I'm

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Speaker 2: pretty plain, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any allergies or like, oh, what's the

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Speaker 1: best favorite memory in your career, Like favorite tournament or

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Speaker 1: favorite country that you competed in, favorite person to compete

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Speaker 1: with or against, or like just hysterical locker room moments

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Speaker 1: that are just so fun.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can tell you one really embarrassing

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Speaker 2: moment that I had. We were in Florida in Saint

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Speaker 2: Petersburg and it was the tournament before World Champs that year,

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Speaker 2: which is like World Champs is like the most important

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Speaker 2: event for your Olympic qualification, So it was like the

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Speaker 2: week before that, and I don't know what I was thinking.

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Speaker 2: So we're at the warm up cord getting ready, and

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Speaker 2: we start taking our clothes off in a bikinis, and

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Speaker 2: I've gone to pull down my shorts and quickly realizing

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Speaker 2: how I was still in my underwear, I forgot to

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Speaker 2: put my bikini pants on. I looked at me and

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't have my bikinis on, and

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Speaker 2: so I was so lucky that the hotel was closed.

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Speaker 2: So I quickly ran to the shuttle bus. Got on

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Speaker 2: the bus. I was like, oh my god, my coach

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Speaker 2: is going to kill me.

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Speaker 1: Like, I mean, at least you had undies on, like

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Speaker 1: imagine if you were just like.

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Speaker 2: Just like flashed everybody. But I got back to the

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Speaker 2: like I got back, I missed the whole warm up,

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Speaker 2: but we still won the game.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, you're fine. Then you're fine.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's a good luck thing. Just don't wait underway,

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Speaker 1: You'll be fine.

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Speaker 2: Complete paranoia though every time, for like months after, I

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Speaker 2: was always like checking. It was like did I remember?

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Speaker 2: And I would check like three times, like at the hotel,

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Speaker 2: you know. At the course, was like good.

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Speaker 1: Actually, you guys are always in like in baths. So

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Speaker 1: do you ever like see photos from the game, like

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Speaker 1: in the paper and stuff where you're just like, why

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Speaker 1: would you get me from that angle? Like I'm so

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Speaker 1: glad my job doesn't involve being photographed from all angles

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Speaker 1: moving around invaders.

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Speaker 2: Totally. I know half the time, I'm like, why that

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Speaker 2: picture It's fine. I'm like, no, it's not fine. There's

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Speaker 2: one thing I've learned is like you just brush your

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Speaker 2: flat stuff. Like we always will have those like self

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Speaker 2: image moments, like don't get me wrong, I will always

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Speaker 2: have them. But at the same time, I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: don't really care. You learn to get a thicker skinned

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Speaker 2: totally totally you just I'm just saying.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing my thing, like yeah, great attitude.

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Speaker 2: Literally, as long as I'm winning, like it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy, and I'm going to keep having my chocolate,

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Speaker 2: like you know.

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Speaker 1: Like you've got your smart watch, You're.

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Speaker 2: Fine, exactly exactly, And very last.

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Speaker 1: Question, what's your favorite motivational quote?

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Speaker 2: You know, it was so crazy because I'm not really

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Speaker 2: a quotes person, And it was funny today because I

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Speaker 2: was in gym because my coach was like, i'll find

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Speaker 2: you a quote and he found the forest cup one

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Speaker 2: where it was like lives of books of Chocolate have

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Speaker 2: the note which one. I was like, oh, that's so good.

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Speaker 2: But if there's one thing that I really like stick

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Speaker 2: by these these words is like continuous growth. That is

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Speaker 2: what I really like live by. I think it's in

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Speaker 2: my beugfollowgle, career and outside. I don't ever want to

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Speaker 2: put ceilings on myself, so I really just live via

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Speaker 2: that continuous growth. Yeah, I never want to stop growing, improving,

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Speaker 2: getting better, So that's what's really important to me.

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Speaker 1: Amazing Teliqua. I can't imagine the continuous growth that's going

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Speaker 1: to go on between now and Tokyo. We will be

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Speaker 1: watching so carefully and so proudly. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for sharing everything and joining the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for having me. Nice to meet you.

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Speaker 1: I found so many of Telikua's reflections so interesting and

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Speaker 1: eye opening, particularly about discrimination for not being aboriginal enough,

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Speaker 1: which I hadn't actually considered as much. We mentioned a

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Speaker 1: few things in this chat, like the concept of terror nullius,

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Speaker 1: which I learned about in a legal context, but it's

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Speaker 1: worth looking up generally as part of the BIPOP research

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Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you have been doing. I'll pop

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Speaker 1: the spelling of it in the show notes. If you

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Speaker 1: enjoy this chat, please show Tellika your support and share

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Speaker 1: your screenshots, tagging at Telika. Yes she has her first

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Speaker 1: name is an Instagram handle amazing and myself, so we

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Speaker 1: know what you think. It's not like any of us

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Speaker 1: needed an excuse to buy more Cabri, but do check

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Speaker 1: out their smart watch campaign too to help you stay

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Speaker 1: active in ISO. And if you haven't pre ordered your

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Speaker 1: CZA book, i'll pop the links for that in the

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Speaker 1: episode notes as well. Sending you all so much love

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Speaker 1: and I hope you're seizing your ya