Speaker 1: Stuff has happened before, Georgie, but of course we always
Speaker 1: I remember when very very early on we're talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, I will go into a bar or like
Speaker 1: an opening night or someone.
Speaker 2: I've also been with that and she's like, how many.
Speaker 1: Okay, Look, all of these relationships that I've had before
Speaker 1: you have led me to you.
Speaker 2: I'm the person I am because it's in a Taylor
Speaker 2: Swift song.
Speaker 3: I Share your Time.
Speaker 4: Hello, I'm Kate Lanebrook, and today I am so very
Speaker 4: thrilled to be sitting down with two of my favorite people,
Speaker 4: Georgie Tunney and Rob Mills. You might know him as
Speaker 4: Millsy and you might know her as Georgie Tunney. Now
Speaker 4: I have known Georgie for years. We work together on
Speaker 4: the project, and I've had a front row seat to
Speaker 4: watching her become one of the smartest, hardest working and
Speaker 4: most ambitious women in Australian media. She's a journalist, television presenter,
Speaker 4: newsreader and now a Fishcally, a novelist with her debut
Speaker 4: fiction book Over to You, which is out now. And
Speaker 4: then there's Rob Mills Millsey who's been a staple of
Speaker 4: Australian television ever since he burst onto our screens on
Speaker 4: Australian Idol back in two thousand and three. Since then,
Speaker 4: he's built an extraordinary career across music, TV and musical theater.
Speaker 4: He's currently starring in the Australian premiere of Waitress and
Speaker 4: together they are one of Australia's most beloved couples. They've
Speaker 4: been together for seven years, engaged for four. Come on, people,
Speaker 4: well they're constantly being asked the same questions, when's the wedding.
Speaker 3: What about babies? What's the plan?
Speaker 4: And in this conversation I asked them exactly that. We
Speaker 4: talk about the dm Rob sent Georgie after spotting her
Speaker 4: on ABC Breakfast, the months she left him hanging, their
Speaker 4: very first coffee, and the surprising reason their relationship works
Speaker 4: so well. We talk about ambition, rejection, long engagements, life
Speaker 4: in the spotlight, Rob's dating history, Georgie's dreams, and why
Speaker 4: Rob says this time next year he'd quite like to
Speaker 4: be looking after a baby. Mostly though, this is a
Speaker 4: conversation about love and timing and friendship and two wonderful
Speaker 4: people building a life together on their own terms.
Speaker 3: This is Georgie Tunney and Rob Mills.
Speaker 4: Who am I speaking with? I am speaking to two
Speaker 4: people who I love. Hopefully I will at the end
Speaker 4: of this conversation. For now, I have Georgie Tunney and
Speaker 4: I have Rob Mills. Welcome to no filter.
Speaker 2: Great to be here.
Speaker 4: Now, first I need to clear this up. Am I
Speaker 4: right in thinking that, among your many achievements, you two
Speaker 4: nearly won the erasing Amazing race only last year?
Speaker 5: Ye?
Speaker 4: Are you the same person that called me ten minutes
Speaker 4: ago from the foyer of this building on a main
Speaker 4: street in Melbourne and said I think we're here I
Speaker 4: and had to go be rescued from the foyer and
Speaker 4: brought up to the fourth floor.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Directions are not great for Tunny and sometimes when I
Speaker 1: let her lead, it doesn't go well. And also we
Speaker 1: did have all the information.
Speaker 3: When you lead, you don't sometimes it doesn't go well.
Speaker 2: But if you're with me, it's your fault.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had put the wrong address in.
Speaker 2: We were.
Speaker 1: Said it's fifty minute walk because I can't be right
Speaker 1: you know what from when you were here. I'm living
Speaker 1: in Fitzroy at the moment with a race and borrowed
Speaker 1: his car to get down here because of the rain,
Speaker 1: and George just like, yeah, it was going to be
Speaker 1: like a fifty minute walk.
Speaker 2: You said it was like a six It is a
Speaker 2: ten minute walk. I think you put the wrong edit.
Speaker 2: No I haven't.
Speaker 4: No, Okay, So now do you have pause to reflect
Speaker 4: on maybe why you didn't win the Amazing Race?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Sometimes, I mean, as you know, when I came back,
Speaker 6: I feel that I only lost, Like I only didn't
Speaker 6: sleep for three days.
Speaker 3: Not winning that only carry out for three.
Speaker 4: Duse, you are so competiti, which is surprising to people,
Speaker 4: I think because you have a very sunny disposition and
Speaker 4: you're very open to the world.
Speaker 3: But you've got killering you.
Speaker 6: Oh yes, yes, especially white line fever. As soon as
Speaker 6: as soon as like a red light goes on or
Speaker 6: as soon as a whistle is blown. I'm just like,
Speaker 6: I get the tunnel vision, the tunny vision, the tunny vision.
Speaker 3: I get the tuny vision.
Speaker 6: And that was the whole thing on the Amazing Race
Speaker 6: for sure, which I describe myself as unattractively competitive. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and I own that. I love that about it. But
Speaker 6: ROB describe you.
Speaker 2: Yep, the same, exactly the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was just mind boggling at times, just how ferocious.
Speaker 1: Like I think the thing that I said before we left,
Speaker 1: I said, you've not done a whole lot in your life,
Speaker 1: like work wise, absolutely, like Mammoth a man of achievements, right,
Speaker 1: but not like travel and like you know, like I've
Speaker 1: done a lot of yeah, where you get yourself in
Speaker 1: trouble and you have to work your way out of it.
Speaker 6: Where you think that book smart versus the street smart yes,
Speaker 6: or BookSmart more street smart yes.
Speaker 1: So I said, there's gonna be things that you haven't
Speaker 1: done before and it's okay, You're just gonna have to
Speaker 1: work work for them.
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, I'll be fine. I'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Like every challenge, she's like, why am I not amazing
Speaker 1: at this thing that I've just picked up for the
Speaker 1: very first time.
Speaker 2: She was so frustrated at herself. I was like, you've
Speaker 2: just started learning how to do this.
Speaker 1: But it was it was really interesting to watch her
Speaker 1: competitive brain and then watch her even over but overcome it.
Speaker 1: The thing that I loved the most was she never
Speaker 1: gave up once. There are a few moments I think
Speaker 1: where you had tears in your eyes, You're gonna you're
Speaker 1: going to go, but you you didn't. You just went no,
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep going I'm just going to push
Speaker 1: on and going to get through this challenge.
Speaker 2: It was amazing. I was like blown away by the Rezio.
Speaker 4: It's well, okay, So because the pair of you, this
Speaker 4: is quite a fascinating thing to have in a union
Speaker 4: because there's the yin and the yang, but both of
Speaker 4: you come also fully formed with your own yin and
Speaker 4: yang that you then have to put together. You both
Speaker 4: have very high profiles in the country. You're both very
Speaker 4: accomplished except with directions and yeah, and so people will
Speaker 4: know you, Georgie through a myriad of ways, probably ABC,
Speaker 4: the Breakfast Show on ABC, through the Project Now as
Speaker 4: an author, like very accomplished debut like amazing, amazing, and
Speaker 4: Millsey if I may, you may okay years through Idle, Yeah,
Speaker 4: the inaugural Idol two and three, which was the one
Speaker 4: to be in. I think so, yeah, because those people
Speaker 4: are still we all know them, whereas some of the
Speaker 4: others you're like, you know a few, but okay.
Speaker 3: Idle TV hosts also author book about manhood, very revealing
Speaker 3: book about manhood.
Speaker 2: Thank You, and musical theater and musical theater.
Speaker 4: And I still remember when I saw you in Wicked
Speaker 4: in the job.
Speaker 3: I was just so astounded. I think there's a tendency.
Speaker 4: I mean everyone has it, I guess, but to underestimate
Speaker 4: people if you think, you know, we like to we
Speaker 4: like to say what people's capability. It's a very strange
Speaker 4: like you always getting comments. I'm not normally a fan
Speaker 4: of Kate Langer.
Speaker 3: Do you know those things?
Speaker 4: Surprisingly you were so brilliant and so catapulted you then
Speaker 4: into a lot of productions.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I just found myself in like enjoying
Speaker 1: being part of a team. As a kid who grew
Speaker 1: up playing footy and cricket and baseball, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I really love being part of a team. Musical theater
Speaker 1: is like a team of people. In some games, you're
Speaker 1: you know, you're cast as the center half forward or
Speaker 1: the for forward and other other roles. It might be
Speaker 1: a back pocket player, but that's okay. The good thing
Speaker 1: is every every time that you finish a show or
Speaker 1: a game you win, people clap at the end.
Speaker 2: It's the best the best job in the world.
Speaker 3: I catched Troy Bolton.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're also a star, thank you. The star
Speaker 4: quality is just one of those things that can't be synthesized.
Speaker 6: I agree, look at him, get uncomfortable and he hates it,
Speaker 6: but own that you are.
Speaker 3: Like you work in show is made. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you realize.
Speaker 1: I got a great one on Saturday night. I had
Speaker 1: a corporate over in Adelaide because you're doing I'm doing
Speaker 1: Waitress the music at the moment, and then to do
Speaker 1: a gig over in Adelaide on the weekend and this
Speaker 1: one we're doing. Meeting great afterwards, and she's like, I
Speaker 1: was pretty disappointed when I found out it was going
Speaker 1: to be you on the bill, But then she goes.
Speaker 2: You're very good. You're excellent. You could just say you're
Speaker 2: excellent the pre bit.
Speaker 4: All right, So because both of you are fully formed,
Speaker 4: how did you discover I feel like I should know
Speaker 4: this because we shared.
Speaker 3: The project disc for quite a while. I don't know how.
Speaker 2: You met the origin story.
Speaker 3: I want that origin story. I want it. Do you
Speaker 3: have the same version of it?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: I'm going to say you're not allowed to look at
Speaker 4: each other in the middle of it, because.
Speaker 3: I can't stop you doing anything. But do you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 6: You know he's cracking the whip, he's cracking the whib Okay,
Speaker 6: who do you want to start.
Speaker 4: I want to hear from Rob. I want the millsy
Speaker 4: meeting Tony.
Speaker 1: Okay, I've been I've been seeing. I broke up with
Speaker 1: my partner maybe a year and a half, two years before.
Speaker 1: I've been on like tried the Tinder route of dating.
Speaker 3: Yes, what year are we talking?
Speaker 2: Or twenty sixteen? Maybe I can't yeaheah.
Speaker 1: And then I turned on the ABC Breakfast one morning
Speaker 1: in over summer and I was like, who is the
Speaker 1: new sports girl? Yes, I've googled it. Who's a new
Speaker 1: sports girl on ABC Breakfast Georgia. Chinese name pops up?
Speaker 2: That is her.
Speaker 1: And then I quickly went on Instagram. We've got mutual friends, Abby,
Speaker 1: tell me Matt Douran. I was like, okay, okay, take
Speaker 1: a breath, center.
Speaker 3: A message, and I just breathless.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Because she's so funny and charming. She loves sport, yes,
Speaker 2: And every.
Speaker 1: Time that they crossed back to Georgia at the sports desk,
Speaker 1: she was just like she come up with a different
Speaker 1: topic or a different story, and it was vivacious, like
Speaker 1: was throwing.
Speaker 3: A fresh There's something so fresh about you.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, just the way she was throwing the banter
Speaker 1: back to the other hosts. I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is very very natural now, not like a newsreader, not
Speaker 1: like a normal reporter.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's charisma. So I center
Speaker 1: a message saying they had a messy Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: like in my DMS and like, it must have been
Speaker 1: eight in the morning. Hi, my name's Rob. I know
Speaker 1: what it's like to be new in a new city.
Speaker 1: And it looks like you're new to Melbourne. If you
Speaker 1: need anyone to show around to get a new to
Speaker 1: get a coffee or some of the good food places,
Speaker 1: I'd love to be that person.
Speaker 2: Not a wed.
Speaker 1: I'm not a widow. We have not a widow. We
Speaker 1: have some mutual friends. Let me know, right, And then
Speaker 1: she didn't reply.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, so where are you in your life at
Speaker 4: this point?
Speaker 3: So in my life right now.
Speaker 6: Back then, it was like it was twenty eighteen when
Speaker 6: you messaged me, and I had only recently moved to
Speaker 6: Melbourne from from Sydney. I've been working in the Sydney
Speaker 6: newsroom with ABC for about four years, okay, and I
Speaker 6: was desperate to work on breakfast television. I was like,
Speaker 6: that's my ultimate dream, that's where I belong that's that's
Speaker 6: that's the pinnacle, and I was willing to do any
Speaker 6: any shift to get there. So I moved down with
Speaker 6: a producer producer role predominantly but like the fill in presenter,
Speaker 6: and so whenever I wasn't writing the show, I got
Speaker 6: to be the fill in host.
Speaker 3: And I was sport I was, I was, but Robert
Speaker 3: was watching.
Speaker 6: One day when I was the sports host, I was.
Speaker 6: I didn't know too many people in Melbourne because I
Speaker 6: was relatively you to Melbourne. My best friend lived here.
Speaker 6: But I was so busy because I was working shift
Speaker 6: work and I'd never done two am starts. Yes, that's
Speaker 6: four AM stars, but never two am starts.
Speaker 3: Two am is not even a start, it's just the
Speaker 3: day never finished.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was. I was. I was struggling with
Speaker 3: that new routine.
Speaker 6: And then I got a random d M from someone
Speaker 6: called Rob Mills and Mills on Instagram and I was like.
Speaker 3: Did you know who that was?
Speaker 6: I did, Yeah, yeah, you're very cross, very cross. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 6: very a cross. And also because when he hates me talking,
Speaker 6: I did vote for Guy, but the OG well a lot.
Speaker 3: Of people voted.
Speaker 2: Yeah he won obviously.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was in a lot more.
Speaker 2: That's how burning works.
Speaker 3: He was quite popular. He was quite popular.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but I so because when that when the
Speaker 6: o g Idle was, I was like peak fangirl tween age,
Speaker 6: like I was eating Zone. I was because so I
Speaker 6: was like there watching it was it became obsessed with it.
Speaker 6: It was my first, like four a into into reality TV,
Speaker 6: and I think it was a lot of people. So, yes,
Speaker 6: I knew who Robert was. He was one of my favorites.
Speaker 6: I loved when he sang Maroune five harder to breathe.
Speaker 6: It's like I remember those things. I remember the two
Speaker 6: are you singing with Courtney Acts kids? And then I
Speaker 6: knew that he'd gone into musicals and I had seen
Speaker 6: him in Greece. I never saw him in Wicked, but
Speaker 6: I've seen him in Greece, and I think legally blonde.
Speaker 3: But other than that, that was That was it. That's
Speaker 3: quite a lot.
Speaker 5: Okay, everything about you here, So you get the message.
Speaker 3: I get that you think, where are you in your
Speaker 3: personal life? Personal life? Single? Single? Yeah, how long? I
Speaker 3: would say, oh forever?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Ever, I would say yeah, not by not by choice,
Speaker 6: just by uselessness.
Speaker 3: And also moving moving around.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and yeah, yeah, just the unattractive, unattractive competityt that.
Speaker 3: Got the way.
Speaker 6: I was horrific on the dating apps, like so bad.
Speaker 6: I played it. Actually I played it like a game,
Speaker 6: so it was kind of just like like it was
Speaker 6: like a pokem machine.
Speaker 3: In the end, I would just be like like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so and and I I so I
Speaker 6: wasn't actively dating. I didn't have time in my mind
Speaker 6: to actively date anyway. And I was just trying to
Speaker 6: still take over the breakfast breakfast, yeah, take over.
Speaker 3: You are unapologetically ambitious, which is very refreshing. I think
Speaker 3: it's I've only I've only started being maybe.
Speaker 6: Oh I have always been, but maybe I've only started
Speaker 6: being like about it maybe.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also, the characters in your book are yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: And I think that's led me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because as soon as I started writing them and
Speaker 6: I found that I actually really liked those traits in them,
Speaker 6: and I thought I admired that, And I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: why do I judge myself so harshly for having that
Speaker 6: kind of ambition?
Speaker 3: And I wrote a whole book about that.
Speaker 4: Because there are also three women who work in the
Speaker 4: media and who want to work even more in the
Speaker 4: media and who were just like but also navigating a
Speaker 4: friendship in your life. How has that worked out with
Speaker 4: compatriots that you sort of come through with, particularly if
Speaker 4: you like start more behind the scenes you said you
Speaker 4: started producing or whatever. It's often an innate tension in
Speaker 4: a relationship when you might both want to be front facing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely, it's hard. And I didn't have some friendships
Speaker 6: like that. I would say I'm probably a rareer case.
Speaker 6: Maybe I didn't have a lot of them, but I
Speaker 6: had some, and then those friendships did just fall away because.
Speaker 3: We couldn't talk about it, and honestly, and.
Speaker 6: For a lot of them, I remember that was some
Speaker 6: of the biggest, some of the most intense heartbreak I've
Speaker 6: had in my life is three friendship breakups like that,
Speaker 6: and you just it just it actually it just wounds you,
Speaker 6: like it just it feels physical.
Speaker 4: I spoke to Georgia Love on No Filter and she
Speaker 4: said exactly the same thing, as she'd been through a
Speaker 4: marriage breakup at that time, but she said what absolutely
Speaker 4: destroyed her was the loss of her best female friend. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it really hers and it's just it's a different
Speaker 4: type of love, but it doesn't mean it's not as
Speaker 4: strong as the love that I would feel for Robert.
Speaker 3: It's just in a different, a different way.
Speaker 4: But somehow Robert knew watching the screen that this was
Speaker 4: his time to strong.
Speaker 6: I thought, Hello, that kind of crazy, kooky, ambitious.
Speaker 4: Who's lost friends through her blind ambition.
Speaker 1: So I don't know any so I don't know any
Speaker 1: of this about like any of her inner workings. I
Speaker 1: just thought she was like playing it cool by not
Speaker 1: messaging me. I had a boyfriend, Yeah, she must be
Speaker 1: seeing other people. So we didn't actually meet up until
Speaker 1: maybe three months later later.
Speaker 4: Oh and how through did you DM?
Speaker 1: But I messaged like every couple of weeks. It's like
Speaker 1: just seeing if you if you're you know, you still
Speaker 1: want to.
Speaker 2: Have to catch up.
Speaker 4: She was replying back, but are lucky you're used to
Speaker 4: having to do a lot of auditions exactly.
Speaker 2: I love it that you can. I'm used to.
Speaker 1: But I was like, she says, she's keen. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm in the I don't think she's
Speaker 1: that into you. Whatever it is that is that into you.
Speaker 1: But I was like, all right, I'm just going to
Speaker 1: keep trying. You know what, if you like Harry Potter.
Speaker 1: I'm in this play called Puffs. It's like a Harry
Speaker 1: Potter's spin off. I'll leave two tickets for you for
Speaker 1: opening it, Harry Potter. She absolutely loves Harry and I
Speaker 1: played Cedric in the first act and Voldemort in the
Speaker 1: second act.
Speaker 2: And it's very silly, very stupid.
Speaker 1: And we met up that night after the show for
Speaker 1: a tour backstage.
Speaker 3: Where did you bring?
Speaker 6: I brought my best ea, Holly, and I remember when
Speaker 6: Robert had initially messaged me like, I have my two
Speaker 6: best girlfriends who I've dedicated the book to, holand is Well,
Speaker 6: they were obviously the first ones that I told, and
Speaker 6: then also jell Me because roberts like, we've got mutual friends.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, we had, we had one. I
Speaker 3: swear I'm not crazy one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I remember Jellmy was like, well no, because
Speaker 6: like he seemed with a.
Speaker 3: Nice message in back messaging back.
Speaker 6: And then when you slid into my d MS again,
Speaker 6: I was actually on a I think I was on
Speaker 6: a girls trip in Port Douglas and you'd replied to
Speaker 6: a story of us doing a boomerang with Apparol Spritzer's yeah,
Speaker 6: and you and he just goes, what's your email. Oh,
Speaker 6: it's like, what's your email? And then and then was like,
Speaker 6: I'm in this new play. And my girlfriend Holly was
Speaker 6: with me, and she just goes, well, what's the play?
Speaker 6: And I was like, oh, this Harry Pottery.
Speaker 3: Where we're going? Where we're going? Okay? And so I
Speaker 3: took you.
Speaker 6: I took hole and we'd had seven champagnes without dinner
Speaker 6: by interval, so I was nervous.
Speaker 3: And then we hung around.
Speaker 6: I was working at two am the next morning, right
Speaker 6: and champagne for that alarm, and I wanted to go.
Speaker 6: I was about to go, like like the show finished,
Speaker 6: and I was like, well, I've got to go.
Speaker 3: I've got to go.
Speaker 6: And Holly was like, you cannot believe without saying hi.
Speaker 6: And I was like, oh, yeah, you're so right, You're
Speaker 6: so right. And then we've been together ever seen.
Speaker 3: And how was it? How was the face to face?
Speaker 3: And what did you watch?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 3: You you reflect on what you did.
Speaker 6: But I remember as soon as he walked in the room,
Speaker 6: because I was like a deer waiting to see he was.
Speaker 3: I was like looking at anyone who was coming in.
Speaker 2: He couldn't miss me. I was wearing a bright yellow
Speaker 2: jacket and he.
Speaker 3: Was wearing a bright yellow jacket.
Speaker 6: Well you worry, did not miss your yellow. I was like,
Speaker 6: of course, of course there he is. Of course they're
Speaker 6: he is. And I just remember he made a bee
Speaker 6: line to me. It was like this huge room opening night,
Speaker 6: all of this, and he just walked like straight to
Speaker 6: me and was just.
Speaker 3: Like, Hi, it's nice to meet you.
Speaker 6: It was very charming, though it obviously worked, and I
Speaker 6: remember Holly doing like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we had a I took it for a backstage tour,
Speaker 1: which Holly wanted to come to.
Speaker 3: Come did you blow Holly on?
Speaker 6: Well? She was like she was, she new to step
Speaker 6: aside in the she was. She was because you went,
Speaker 6: you went, Do you want a backstage She was like yeah.
Speaker 6: And we start walking home, It's like, oh my god,
Speaker 6: got up and she was like not me, I'll.
Speaker 1: Be here and then and and I thought that, you know,
Speaker 1: Georgia had a futuring, so she's a bit of a
Speaker 1: party girl. And then I realized soon after we when
Speaker 1: I'd come around, i'd bring a bottle of wine after
Speaker 1: work because she was working very early mornings. I was
Speaker 1: working late nights, so I'd bring a bottle of wine
Speaker 1: over and maybe like half half a glass each. And
Speaker 1: then I realized next time I went there that bottle
Speaker 1: had not touch been touched. Oh, she doesn't really drink.
Speaker 1: So basically all of our courting was so be dating.
Speaker 1: I pick her up from work at ten in the
Speaker 1: morning and we just walk around the botanical gardens all
Speaker 1: the streets of Melbourne and it was just coffee dates.
Speaker 1: So that to anyone listening, I can highly recommend coffee
Speaker 1: dates because you're just you. There's no alcohol or anything that's,
Speaker 1: you know, getting in the way of you just being
Speaker 1: your true self. Yes, And I think that's why I
Speaker 1: loved Georgia was just so comfortable being herself. There was
Speaker 1: no pretense, there's no like pretending to be anyone. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, she's just a really lovely net It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: how lovely. And I was like, that's a really lovely
Speaker 1: thing to be just yourself.
Speaker 3: Who advanced it or did it? Yeah? Right, Okay, Because when.
Speaker 6: We first started zero game, I've got absolutely really insane,
Speaker 6: absolutely no game. But when we first started, when we
Speaker 6: first started dating, Robert was going away on a Europe
Speaker 6: trip and he was going away for like six weeks
Speaker 6: and this had been planned well before he'd seen me
Speaker 6: on TV or you know, and he was going with
Speaker 6: his friends and forward to it, and I always knew,
Speaker 6: but when I always knew that was coming up, And
Speaker 6: to be fair, I had always thought, like with my
Speaker 6: girlfriends were asking me or how's it going with with
Speaker 6: with Robert, Like I would just be, well, we're going
Speaker 6: to have a conversation after he comes back from Europe,
Speaker 6: like we won't, we won't talk about We're just like,
Speaker 6: you'll go to Europe back and then we can see
Speaker 6: if we're still feeling the same things. But then Robert
Speaker 6: blew that, blew that up because we went to an
Speaker 6: event and it was the first thing that we were
Speaker 6: at together publicly, and he was like, how should I
Speaker 6: introduce you to everyone? Because I'd want to introduce you
Speaker 6: as like my my girlfriend or my partner, and you
Speaker 6: said unattractive, your unattractively competitive girlfriend and partner. Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: And so it was. And then I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 6: so we're like you'd.
Speaker 2: Already said it.
Speaker 1: You said to me, I've already I've already just been
Speaker 1: saying that you're my partner.
Speaker 6: It was actually true someone was like, who are you
Speaker 6: here for us? Like, oh, my partner's singing, and I
Speaker 6: was it. I mean Robert is singing. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 6: I hadn't talked to you about it. Yeah, but then
Speaker 6: you but yeah, then you asked because you've.
Speaker 3: Had you have you have such an ease between you
Speaker 3: as a unit, let's let's love, don't you think? I
Speaker 3: do think.
Speaker 6: I actually do think, because I think that that's what
Speaker 6: lots of people like. We'll go into stores. When we
Speaker 6: were looking to buy a new couch years ago, and
Speaker 6: we were just trying and sitting on all of us
Speaker 6: random different sofas, all of this doing all of our tests,
Speaker 6: our stupid tests that they needed to pass for us
Speaker 6: to buy this couch.
Speaker 3: A tiny vision.
Speaker 6: It was just like, that's what I need. And the
Speaker 6: sales assistant said, you guys are like you guys are
Speaker 6: great together. You've got this such and such such.
Speaker 3: Energy between you. Do you remember that.
Speaker 6: I always remembered that, and I thought, they like, oh,
Speaker 6: this is not how other people just act.
Speaker 3: And he was like no, I was like, oh no,
Speaker 3: they see it. I think they must see a lot
Speaker 3: in retail. You see, yes, we say a lot.
Speaker 1: I think the best feedback we got from the Amazing
Speaker 1: race was thank you for it. I think it was
Speaker 1: on the we finished the race the last night, We're
Speaker 1: having drinks with all the producers and stuff, and I
Speaker 1: think the EP said to us, thank you for showcasing
Speaker 1: what it is to be a lovely couple, like for
Speaker 1: showcasing good communication skills and yeah, just being.
Speaker 2: A lovely pairing.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's that's really that's really good feedback
Speaker 1: because they would see a lot, right. Yeah, And the
Speaker 1: feedback that we've got from people on the street is
Speaker 1: the same, like, oh, you guys, just the way you talk,
Speaker 1: the way you champion each other, the way you cheerlead
Speaker 1: each other is quite lovely. I think that's and is
Speaker 1: that part of like just being in a good relationship.
Speaker 4: After this short break, Georgie and Milsey shared the details
Speaker 4: of the early days at They're romance. Sometimes when people
Speaker 4: get intimate in whatever form that takes, very early in
Speaker 4: a relationship, it clouds what It clouds what you see
Speaker 4: of each other because you're saying it through the prism
Speaker 4: of you know, funk and desire and you know whereas
Speaker 4: coffee dates and walking is a very wholesome way to get.
Speaker 3: To know each other. And I think I will say
Speaker 3: that I.
Speaker 6: Being with Robert, I think, especially in the early days,
Speaker 6: you were the only person I've ever been with where
Speaker 6: I have been truly wholey myself. And I wasn't worried
Speaker 6: about trying to be something else. It probably was in
Speaker 6: all honestly, it probably was. I was like living in
Speaker 6: a state of jet lag. And I think because he
Speaker 6: was just so overtly eager. I'd never been changed like
Speaker 6: that before.
Speaker 3: I'd never been.
Speaker 6: Changed like that before, and so I knew that he
Speaker 6: liked me. I wasn't there being like iproved of you, Yeah,
Speaker 6: what are.
Speaker 3: We doing here?
Speaker 6: Because I was always that person that was kind of
Speaker 6: just like, oh, that is this a thing?
Speaker 3: Is it not a thing?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: What should I be? For them to like me? I
Speaker 3: like them, so what do they like? Should I be this?
Speaker 3: Should I be that?
Speaker 6: Whereas because of that, it was kind of just I
Speaker 6: was just like, oh, okay, well this is me, and then
Speaker 6: you just you just kept liking it.
Speaker 3: So it was good.
Speaker 2: But well, I think it was over summer. She's like,
Speaker 2: do you know what I'd love to do this weekend? Babe?
Speaker 2: I said, what She's like, I just want to sit
Speaker 2: at home watch the cricket. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: that is the hottest thing.
Speaker 4: And because of your sport, and because you have a
Speaker 4: sporting background, what were you?
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for saying the one way.
Speaker 6: I was an avid and avid sports participant with a very,
Speaker 6: shall we say, insurmountable lack of skill for a lot
Speaker 6: of things. Became enthusiastic, enthusiastic swimmer, enthusiastic water polo play,
Speaker 6: so things without gravity, not great on ground, not grey
Speaker 6: on dry land.
Speaker 3: But you put me in a body of water, I
Speaker 3: can't can glide? I can glide? And how far did
Speaker 3: that take it? I got?
Speaker 6: So I played water polo all up until UNI, early
Speaker 6: early UNI, I was playing I was playing water polo swimming.
Speaker 6: I swam all throughout, all throughout high schools. I think
Speaker 6: I got to regionals or something. I wasn't amazing, but
Speaker 6: I was just happy to be happy to be included,
Speaker 6: happy to be about it. And then I also played netball,
Speaker 6: which is essentially like water polo, but on land, slightly
Speaker 6: slightly less, only a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 4: At that point in your life, were you looking for
Speaker 4: anything other than say, the fulfillment of work.
Speaker 3: You were just saying what happens. I was kind of
Speaker 3: seeing what happens.
Speaker 6: I think me two years prior to meeting Robert, I
Speaker 6: wanted the other bit. Yeah, I wanted I definitely wanted
Speaker 6: the fulfillment out of out of work.
Speaker 3: But where ironically the time of my life. And I
Speaker 3: always like, because people like it's gonna happen, You're gonna
Speaker 3: meet them when you least expect that.
Speaker 6: And my other versit of Isabel used to say to me,
Speaker 6: I was like, just where is he?
Speaker 3: Where is this Prince Charming?
Speaker 6: And She's like, well, where do you think He's not
Speaker 6: in your bedroom on a Saturday.
Speaker 3: He's not going to find you in there.
Speaker 6: And so I remember being like when it was it
Speaker 6: was like, oh that old adage of yeah, when you
Speaker 6: least expected. Because it was probably the first time in
Speaker 6: my life that I wasn't bothered. Yeah, I wasn't bothered
Speaker 6: by being single. I wasn't bothered by not having a
Speaker 6: significant other in my life.
Speaker 4: Also, because you come to you come to the world
Speaker 4: with kind of an air of innocence, which is well,
Speaker 4: you know, that can lead to one of two things.
Speaker 4: Either someone's going to go oh, I want to take
Speaker 4: destroy bend to break this innocence or I'm going to
Speaker 4: rise to meet this innocence. And Rob, you had quite
Speaker 4: a checkered history in terms of the fact that you
Speaker 4: had been alive.
Speaker 2: Longer than yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally yeah, but also that you your introduction to
Speaker 4: showbies and whatever and to people was at such a
Speaker 4: level that.
Speaker 3: All the riches yeah offered to.
Speaker 1: Had downs and then work my way back into like
Speaker 1: some sort of equilibrium of sense of self and self
Speaker 1: worth and all that sort of stuff. And I think
Speaker 1: seeing Tounny and getting to know her and realizing she
Speaker 1: also has a very similar kind of outlook. Is not
Speaker 1: in the job for the fame. The fame is the
Speaker 1: byproduct of doing the thing that you love. And it's
Speaker 1: very hard to meet someone these days because everyone wants.
Speaker 3: To be everyone. They want to be not necessarily to
Speaker 3: do the work.
Speaker 1: They want to be seen, they want to be like
Speaker 1: everyone wants to be a product, and I'm like, what's
Speaker 1: the work?
Speaker 2: What is the product? Like, what is the.
Speaker 1: Actual work that you're doing? And George and I talked
Speaker 1: about that very early on in our relationship. I think
Speaker 1: new idea of new weekly one someone had reached out
Speaker 1: to us, and I said, do you want like, if
Speaker 1: we say yes to this, that's that's a different path
Speaker 1: to our relationship, Like that means we're that kind of
Speaker 1: celebrity couple.
Speaker 2: And I remember she went not really.
Speaker 1: Like how how great I think we've done because three
Speaker 1: interviews you're thinking is.
Speaker 3: That you can run it. You can run your relationship
Speaker 3: how you want.
Speaker 2: Exactly correct?
Speaker 3: And when did you?
Speaker 4: And I know that you would have had this conversation
Speaker 4: because you're such a pop culture girl and this has
Speaker 4: been a big bug bear in your life that I
Speaker 4: think you've got over the herd. When did you have
Speaker 4: the Paris hill On conversation?
Speaker 6: It was pretty early, but even then I don't even
Speaker 6: know if it was a full conversation. It was just
Speaker 6: something like, in all honesty, as my biggest hang ups,
Speaker 6: and it's always been my biggest insecurities in terms of
Speaker 6: Robert's dating history.
Speaker 3: It's had nothing to do with her.
Speaker 4: It's no, no, of course, but I mean that's the
Speaker 4: I mean that that captured so much attention.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't even remember.
Speaker 3: Do you remember it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Not really? I think it was just.
Speaker 4: No because you talk about it very early early you
Speaker 4: talk about it in your book, but of course you
Speaker 4: hadn't written your book then.
Speaker 1: No, So I wrote about in the book just to
Speaker 1: be like, okay, let's put a full stop on this, please,
Speaker 1: can we please just put a full stop on this.
Speaker 3: Well, you tried to put a full stop on it.
Speaker 4: Fall but also it's amazing soul and it's amazing, And.
Speaker 3: That's my whole take of it coming from that was me.
Speaker 3: I was just like what I was.
Speaker 6: I was always said to Robert, and I don't know,
Speaker 6: maybe this was you liked this about me too, but
Speaker 6: it's like I honestly couldn't. I just could not have
Speaker 6: cared about it anyway. I just thought it was why
Speaker 6: I was like, wow, yeah, what a moment. But because
Speaker 6: he'd held such like it had been such a negative
Speaker 6: for him in how people had reacted to it, then
Speaker 6: that made me upset about it because I was just
Speaker 6: upset for him. But in terms of an actual moment
Speaker 6: of you, but you know, having a thing with Paris Hilton,
Speaker 6: I'm like, how how cool like that? No One, especially
Speaker 6: at that time, it's it's it's it's a moment.
Speaker 3: Memorable, memorable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's memorable, and I understand that. I understand the
Speaker 4: frustration of you having had just this fleeting moment that
Speaker 4: overshadows what you are trying to do, because, like you said,
Speaker 4: you're focused on the work and improving as an artist,
Speaker 4: improve as a person as a person. Yes, and particularly
Speaker 4: that much to be pivotal. Actually the fallout from that
Speaker 4: to the start of the self improvement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like nothing.
Speaker 1: I saw this thing the other day talking about what
Speaker 1: drives people. Some people it's an ego thing. Some people
Speaker 1: need to be seen. For me, it's spiked, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I saw this thing. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's a really good driver wanting to prove people wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't have a Also, I have a fear of
Speaker 1: can I say fucking up?
Speaker 2: I have a fear of I have a fear of
Speaker 2: sucking up.
Speaker 1: So what I'll do in order to improve my life
Speaker 1: I put myself in situations where I have to improve
Speaker 1: because I don't want to be seen to be bad.
Speaker 1: So like auditioning for musicals, you don't want to be
Speaker 1: you don't to fuck up the audition, So you do
Speaker 1: all the preparations so you'll make sure that you're good
Speaker 1: in the room and then you get the job and
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, now I can't fuck up the show,
Speaker 1: so I do all the work to but I'm not.
Speaker 1: It's not the ego that drives me to be seen.
Speaker 1: It's the like you almost like spite, almost like telling
Speaker 1: yourself that you your.
Speaker 2: Brain selling you can't do it. So you're like, well
Speaker 2: I can do it.
Speaker 3: So is it internal?
Speaker 2: It's both for me, it's external. For me, it's both.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's stronger?
Speaker 2: It's about fifty to fifty.
Speaker 4: When I saw you in Waitress, which is such a
Speaker 4: phenomenal performance, thank you, I okay, now that you put
Speaker 4: it in that context. I could see how much work
Speaker 4: you had done. When I was watching the show, I
Speaker 4: wasn't like, oh, this looks like hard work. I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is magical. You're so physical, Thank you and vocal
Speaker 4: thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I spent like two months with a vocal coach
Speaker 1: beforehand because I've been singing like bon Jovi rock and
Speaker 1: roll stuff for like the last two years.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is versatile in the voice.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is a very different style of singing.
Speaker 1: I need to do the work before we get to rehearsal.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's very different singing. So yeah, did all
Speaker 1: the work and worked closely with the director, the resident
Speaker 1: director or just on the physicality of it all. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's probably my best role, even though it's
Speaker 1: like one of the smaller roles. But I just love it.
Speaker 1: I just love him. He's he's a bit more me,
Speaker 1: I think as well. My inner nerd is coming out.
Speaker 4: I think, well, it's also a dirty dog.
Speaker 3: He's cheating on he's a bit more me. How comforting?
Speaker 6: Bring her in.
Speaker 4: Because you are going to be the one or this
Speaker 4: is the plan.
Speaker 3: This is the plan, but this.
Speaker 1: Is what's happened.
Speaker 2: Why I want to take you, take you to do
Speaker 2: the wedding.
Speaker 4: Oh well, I was pregnant by the time we got married,
Speaker 4: but not when he proposed, like it wasn't even though Hugh.
Speaker 2: He lights.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 4: He also likes to see and married my stalker. Okay,
Speaker 4: thank you.
Speaker 3: Yes, me too. And my take on that is at
Speaker 3: least you know they love you, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 6: I'm going to of a you know, a decent man
Speaker 6: in all honesty, and you would know this thing, Brooke.
Speaker 6: We're both such terrible planners. Our schedules are insane, and
Speaker 6: everyone's just like, you're never too busy to get like
Speaker 6: social budias, and it was just like, oh, would you
Speaker 6: just get married already? You're never too busy. If you
Speaker 6: really loved each other, I'd just like, do you.
Speaker 2: Know what you want?
Speaker 4: Because you said to me we talked about Italy and
Speaker 4: you said, do you know any like sort of simple price?
Speaker 3: That was like three years so that's been trying to
Speaker 3: like now then we want three years ago?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: We were sitting at the project and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 6: so I go, yeah, got them?
Speaker 3: And who will make it happen? Our friends? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: all right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think we'll just turn up to someone's dinner one
Speaker 1: night and they're like, we've actually organized a wedding for you.
Speaker 2: There'll be a celebrate.
Speaker 1: There as we love that someone will do a surprise
Speaker 1: wedding for it.
Speaker 3: As long as you joined a lope.
Speaker 6: Well, that's probably one of our top things right now,
Speaker 6: is just having a small, tiny elopement and then a
Speaker 6: big thing, but then a big selling.
Speaker 4: Loopers always because lopers always say this, a loape has
Speaker 4: always got and then we're going to have a big
Speaker 4: party and they never have the party.
Speaker 2: Do you want the party?
Speaker 3: I want the party. Why wouldn't you want the party?
Speaker 2: Because you know what it is.
Speaker 1: I think in our jobs it's about us a lot
Speaker 1: of the time, and for some reason both of us
Speaker 1: do not like it to be about it.
Speaker 3: It's different when it's about you two together.
Speaker 6: That's I actually think that if it was a pair
Speaker 6: of us, I would it is.
Speaker 2: A pair of us.
Speaker 6: I think that that is actually lang Brooks right, like
Speaker 6: I could get and I will get around that. More
Speaker 6: so in terms of if us being celebrated as a couple.
Speaker 3: Because you're making something new.
Speaker 6: Yes, far is far more comforting exciting to me than
Speaker 6: just if we were just celebrating like me, I'd celebrate
Speaker 6: you to the house came.
Speaker 3: Up, but me, oh my god, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't want that.
Speaker 2: I made bookmarks.
Speaker 4: I'm celebrating, correct, But you don't need to do your
Speaker 4: wedding where you do. Are reading from the book and
Speaker 4: then he sings the song.
Speaker 3: He brings his book.
Speaker 4: What song would you sing? By the way, you would
Speaker 4: have to serenade your wife.
Speaker 1: There's a song that I love, but my friend Ben
Speaker 1: Abraham wrote It's called If I Didn't Love You that's
Speaker 1: probably on the list, but I don't think I would
Speaker 1: sing it.
Speaker 2: I'd try and get him to come and sing it.
Speaker 6: And then i'd be ugly crying in a corner. So
Speaker 6: that'd be fun. Oh, actually, you'd be crying more than me.
Speaker 3: I know. Well, this is.
Speaker 4: In the time that I've known of you and then
Speaker 4: known you. He's a big cry, big crier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I think it is?
Speaker 1: I think when you're a kid, you cry, You cry
Speaker 1: a lot, but you cry when things are emotional. You
Speaker 1: cry when you're hurt. For some reason, as blokes, we
Speaker 1: stop that. We get told to not cry. We get
Speaker 1: told to you know, tied up a lip and we
Speaker 1: were told.
Speaker 4: It's just you get told not to or do you
Speaker 4: think there's also something societal pressure?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you end up so grow growing up's not the
Speaker 2: right word. You realize when to cry. I suppose to internalize.
Speaker 1: You have to internalize, and there are moments, but for
Speaker 1: some people they realize that they internalize it all all
Speaker 1: the time. You still got to find that safe space,
Speaker 1: whether it's with a friend or your partner, to let
Speaker 1: that out. I think for a lot of blokes, I
Speaker 1: don't want to burden other people with that emotion or
Speaker 1: those tears. They feel like they're not the strong one
Speaker 1: for their partner, But what they're doing is actually letting
Speaker 1: their partner in, to letting them know how they feel.
Speaker 1: And I think with Tonny and I I'm very good.
Speaker 1: I think we're quite good at knowing when the other
Speaker 1: person needs. I mean, we've got tattoos of sea saws
Speaker 1: like about when the other person is struggling or failing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I always got with the airport.
Speaker 4: Remember when you had just come back from a trip
Speaker 4: together and I bumped into Rob at the airport. You
Speaker 4: went there, and he showed me the tattoo and it's
Speaker 4: a little read saw.
Speaker 2: Tony's got one on the right arm. I've got one
Speaker 2: on my left.
Speaker 3: And he was telling me the story. And guess what happened.
Speaker 3: When he was telling me the story, he'd start crying.
Speaker 4: You're not the only person at a luggage carousel ever
Speaker 4: to start Yeah, correct, Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 6: He's the sweetest and like all, he's my biggest cheerleader,
Speaker 6: which is the greatest thing. And I would love to
Speaker 6: say that I'm his too, but it's it's he is
Speaker 6: a super emotional person.
Speaker 3: But I also like that because he lets me be emotional.
Speaker 6: And lots of people would say, I mean, as you know,
Speaker 6: I'm a crier to yes, but it's taken me a
Speaker 6: while to be okay, to be comfortable with that. Like
Speaker 6: the first half of my career. Yeah, the first half
Speaker 6: of my career I actively tried not to be a crier,
Speaker 6: be emotional.
Speaker 3: In what context, like in the context of work or.
Speaker 6: Context of work. Oh, actually probably also even even in life. Yeah,
Speaker 6: probably even in life, I was just like, oh no,
Speaker 6: I deal with that later. I don't have time. Don't
Speaker 6: have time for that. But in terms of work, I
Speaker 6: just never wanted the story to be about me. So
Speaker 6: if i'm you know, as you would know, it's like
Speaker 6: you're sitting across from people who are very hard, like
Speaker 6: the worst moment of their life or it could be
Speaker 6: the best moment of their life, and it's like, I
Speaker 6: don't want my reaction then to be the story rather
Speaker 6: than what their story is. But the project helped me
Speaker 6: actually see that how if I if I did have
Speaker 6: that connection with someone, just to let it be authentic
Speaker 6: and to let it breathe, and then that actually resonated
Speaker 6: so much more with viewers or an audience and with
Speaker 6: the person themselves to them to let the story actually speak.
Speaker 6: And I was like, okay, I've been doing this. I've
Speaker 6: been doing this thing the whole time with a hand
Speaker 6: tied around my back. As soon as I released that,
Speaker 6: then I was able to, I think, do some of
Speaker 6: my best work.
Speaker 1: And that's how we that's how we connect as people
Speaker 1: as well, through our vulnerability and through our heart.
Speaker 2: You leave that heart open, That's that's where you have
Speaker 2: the best conversation.
Speaker 6: You're on the desk, You're very very good at it.
Speaker 6: Your heart's always open, and I don't think, I don't think,
Speaker 6: and I don't know if people always know that about you,
Speaker 6: but you're so warm and so lovely and then just
Speaker 6: then just hit them with like the most perfect phrasing
Speaker 6: of something. I remember you did an interview, but do
Speaker 6: you remember talking to doctor Professor sculliasus scholar Richard Scullia
Speaker 6: and you were talking to him and you said you
Speaker 6: I think you quoted it was I'm not sure if
Speaker 6: it was a proverb or something, but you quote it.
Speaker 6: Maybe it was the proverb according to Kate, and you
Speaker 6: quoted how it was like you were going to be
Speaker 6: you won't see the trees.
Speaker 4: A wise man plants the tree under which he will
Speaker 4: never sit.
Speaker 6: And I remember you said that to him, and you
Speaker 6: were having this beautiful moment. I sat next to it
Speaker 6: and I was like, I was Robert at the carousel.
Speaker 6: Just construe it. Like tears streaming down my face and
Speaker 6: they came back to me and I was.
Speaker 4: Like, anyway, coming up next, Mills explains why he's seek
Speaker 4: of the Paris Hilton conversation. Your field work, by the way,
Speaker 4: you've just reminded me, is while I'm gassing, you are
Speaker 4: and we're all gas.
Speaker 3: But why not?
Speaker 4: Is extraordinary you in the floods And I didn't know
Speaker 4: this side of you. I, unlike Rob, had not been
Speaker 4: watching you avidly.
Speaker 3: It was an absence of you, my dear.
Speaker 4: But yes, that's ruh, but quite amazing. And so you're
Speaker 4: the breadth of your talent? Is I think you haven't
Speaker 4: even really begun to scratch it.
Speaker 3: I hope not. I hope, I hope. I hope this
Speaker 3: is just a start. And it's a very modern like
Speaker 3: because we know that you know, things are contracting and
Speaker 3: other things are expanding, but they don't generally seem to
Speaker 3: require humans, but.
Speaker 1: Its humans to tell stories, yes always, and ask ask
Speaker 1: the good question, ask the right questions, because that's how
Speaker 1: we how we connect with others through that, through our eyes.
Speaker 1: And Georgie is the best. Look at these eyes, like
Speaker 1: you just want to tell her everything. This is such
Speaker 1: a kindness in them, beautiful.
Speaker 6: Oh no, but that's actually again, that's something that in all,
Speaker 6: in all honesty, you taught me lanme Brook, which was
Speaker 6: to be authentic and to not see that to see
Speaker 6: that as a superpower.
Speaker 3: I think you already had that, Nah, but I didn't.
Speaker 6: But I didn't believe it in a way that I
Speaker 6: thought it would be like a weapon in a good way.
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't fully fully believe that myself.
Speaker 4: It is interesting and both of you. This is kind
Speaker 4: of the team play that when you step into yourself,
Speaker 4: the world rises to meet you. Many things that you
Speaker 4: were scared of or that you thought were going to happen,
Speaker 4: or or you know that you'd be canceled or not
Speaker 4: enough or judged, actually doesn't happen. Because I think people
Speaker 4: are so happy to see people, even with their flaws
Speaker 4: and their attendant worries that that is, like you said,
Speaker 4: where the connection.
Speaker 2: Happens, but the human side of it.
Speaker 3: But you, I'm going to say, have taken that too far?
Speaker 3: I take it? Yes, yes, mate, yes, mate.
Speaker 4: Your book which is incredible and at the time I
Speaker 4: think I interviewed you briefly on the radio when you
Speaker 4: did putting on a show, the book about Manhood and
Speaker 4: mental health, right, very very good book. Researched you were
Speaker 4: together when he wrote that, and you started writing it
Speaker 4: in lockdown, I think, but mate, you are You're the
Speaker 4: person who told us in the book and in life
Speaker 4: that you had the Paris Hilton thing, you were sick
Speaker 4: of it being brought up you or whatever. Right, fair enough,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I get that. I'm going to read you
Speaker 4: something from your own book and you're going to explain
Speaker 4: to me how you reconcile that with Okay, I had
Speaker 4: to take a screenshot it.
Speaker 3: You know what it's going to be, don't you? You
Speaker 3: know it's going to be. How can you not know?
Speaker 4: One night early on in the show, doesn't matter what show,
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of us went to a gay club
Speaker 4: in Sydney, a dance party venue. Three of us ended
Speaker 4: up at Courtney's place. This is Courtney act extraordinary performance. Courtney,
Speaker 4: me and a woman I'll call her Sam, and we
Speaker 4: had a bit of an orgy. Courtney and Sam had sex. Okay,
Speaker 4: we get it, mate, Sam and I had sex. Courtney
Speaker 4: and I had sex. There was a lot going on.
Speaker 4: Can I okay explain? Because this you obviously were like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 6: But my favorite thing with that was because then when
Speaker 6: press came out about the book and a lot of
Speaker 6: the interviews, they used that quote to talk about that. No, no, no,
Speaker 6: it was just on the headline was a bit of
Speaker 6: an orgy and can you believe they've used And I
Speaker 6: was like, yes, I can.
Speaker 3: I was like, you wrote it, of course they're going
Speaker 3: to use it.
Speaker 4: But also.
Speaker 1: Was shot had you ask yea? But also Cotney said,
Speaker 1: why three people's not an orgy? If you want an orgy,
Speaker 1: we can do it.
Speaker 4: I made what was your thinking when you wrote that book?
Speaker 4: And things coming? People came out of lockdown, even in
Speaker 4: the middle of lockdown, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: They showed themselves in unusual way.
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 1: I was like, I I think for a lot of
Speaker 1: men out there, I wanted to talk about sexuality through
Speaker 1: which and it was like, well, the best way I
Speaker 1: can do that is show the things that I've done
Speaker 1: and the things that I've learned through trying stuff out.
Speaker 1: And when you're a kid, you get told if you're
Speaker 1: you know, try try baseball, try cricket, try footy, try soccer.
Speaker 2: Try all these things.
Speaker 1: But sexuality is never really talked about, Like it's never
Speaker 1: talked about who you should be with.
Speaker 2: Or how you should do it.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm just going to talk about
Speaker 1: it and then maybe someone goes, yeah, maybe I will
Speaker 1: try that, like and just try and break down the
Speaker 1: taboo or the stigma around it. That's the That's the
Speaker 1: reason I talked about it, not to offload something off
Speaker 1: my chair like this, not to brag. No, yeah, well
Speaker 1: I was like, God is amazing. But it was more
Speaker 1: like why is this such a taboo topic? And what
Speaker 1: other men maybe a feeling that as well, Like they
Speaker 1: want to explore different things and they should be like
Speaker 1: why are we say conservative in Australia anyway, That's that's
Speaker 1: kind of why I feel.
Speaker 6: As well though, because you were writing it during lockdown
Speaker 6: and you had you know, you'd had some losses at
Speaker 6: that time, like a couple of people close you had to, right,
Speaker 6: and I think that that had put things into perspective.
Speaker 6: We had also not thrived did anyone during like the
Speaker 6: COVID lockdown.
Speaker 3: So I get very mutense for the pair of you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think that potentially there was part of
Speaker 6: you that was just like, I'm I'm done with like,
Speaker 6: I just want to say what I want to say
Speaker 6: and I don't censor it all or anything. I don't
Speaker 6: know if it was even conscious at the time, but
Speaker 6: you were just like, well, this is this is where
Speaker 6: it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that maybe there was a yearning for freedom because
Speaker 4: physical freedom was denied, particularly in Victoria. Definitely there's a
Speaker 4: part of you that is like, when I am afforded
Speaker 4: the opportunity of freedom in the future, I am always
Speaker 4: going to take it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and be my fully freed self and talk about
Speaker 1: all the stuff all the time, I think, I think,
Speaker 1: which I think is.
Speaker 2: So important for everybody.
Speaker 1: Unusual, unusual for young for young men, I think older
Speaker 1: older men even still, but even in.
Speaker 4: The context of the fact that it's not just one
Speaker 4: on one, but that it's going to be seen as you, yeah,
Speaker 4: and then it's going to be a headline.
Speaker 2: I was fine with it. I was like, are you
Speaker 2: who who cares? Like, honestly, who cares about my life?
Speaker 2: And who I sleep with? I think about the.
Speaker 3: Someone might care, somebody may care.
Speaker 1: A lot of stuff has happened before, Georgie. But of
Speaker 1: course we always I remember when very very early on
Speaker 1: we're talking about, you know, I will go into a
Speaker 1: bar or like an opening night or someone.
Speaker 2: I've also been with that and she's like, how many.
Speaker 1: Okay, look, all of these relationships that I've had before
Speaker 1: you have led me to you. I'm the person I
Speaker 1: am because it's in a Tailor Swift song.
Speaker 3: I share your time.
Speaker 4: Because it's also I mean, I don't necessarily think that
Speaker 4: you need a head count to have experience whatever, but
Speaker 4: it is an interesting thing when you're in a relationship
Speaker 4: with someone where they've got like a lot of history.
Speaker 6: And but see, that was a far bigger conversation for
Speaker 6: us than than Paris Hilton, Like, yeah, of course, honestly,
Speaker 6: that wasn't even really a full chat. It was it
Speaker 6: was more so me putting my insecurities to the side
Speaker 6: because it was threatening the best thing that could ever
Speaker 6: happened to me in life, which was him.
Speaker 3: I was for your insecurities, like I won't be enough
Speaker 3: for this is yet.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. And also I mean definite jealousy as well.
Speaker 6: I don't know if I've mentioned it, but I am, yes,
Speaker 6: And so I think that that was That's just part
Speaker 6: of it as well at a base level. And then yeah,
Speaker 6: just feeling feeling just not I probably at that time
Speaker 6: just insecure and what the relationship was.
Speaker 3: But I was getting in the way.
Speaker 6: And then it was like we had a conversation and
Speaker 6: it purely just came down to you, I have to
Speaker 6: let this go or I have to let him go,
Speaker 6: and I refuse to.
Speaker 3: Let him go. It got to that point to me, yes.
Speaker 6: For me, just just just to work it through my
Speaker 6: brain because I couldn't. I needed no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 2: I remember, I remember the chat.
Speaker 6: Remember, It's more like I had to give my own
Speaker 6: self that that heard of an ultimatum because it was
Speaker 6: the only way that I could fully be like that's
Speaker 6: it now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, oh, it's so clear, it's clarity. It
Speaker 3: gave me the case.
Speaker 2: I remember just saying I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, Like that's whatever I've been with this
Speaker 1: is I'm now with you.
Speaker 2: Because that's that's the most important thing.
Speaker 3: Who which one of you would you say is the
Speaker 3: most loyal, oh, Georgie, Me, that's interesting. I think you're
Speaker 3: loyal too, but I think I'm.
Speaker 4: Yeah when I staged five cler Yeah, And which one
Speaker 4: of you is the more honest?
Speaker 1: Me? Yeah? Wow, definitely brutally At times She's like today,
Speaker 1: I just need love and light.
Speaker 2: No, no, honesty.
Speaker 3: Of honesty is he's dishing up? What are you dishing up?
Speaker 3: He gives constructive criticism to me this morning.
Speaker 4: I don't like it, and you know what it was,
Speaker 4: and this is still stuck with me. I made him
Speaker 4: breakfast delicious, Yeah, I made He loves a gift of
Speaker 4: love cooking, you know, and he's happy to receive. And
Speaker 4: he said to me, and he was cautious when he
Speaker 4: said it, but he said, if I can just this
Speaker 4: is not a criticism, but maybe I'm ready. I'm ready
Speaker 4: to I'm trying to get ready on whatever. He goes,
Speaker 4: this is not a criticism. But and then he uses
Speaker 4: his tone. I've never really heard him. I didn't even
Speaker 4: know he.
Speaker 3: Had a this octave.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: He goes maybe a little heavy handed with the salt.
Speaker 6: But I kind of and I did put an entire
Speaker 6: shaker in there? Or was he correct? Was just and
Speaker 6: that was something neutral? That's actually neutral. You know, I
Speaker 6: don't think he was wrong. But what sort of truths
Speaker 6: are you dishing up? What are your constructive criticisms of
Speaker 6: this beauty?
Speaker 3: Yes? Right, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Did say before the book launch, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks something, but.
Speaker 6: It could use little Oh yeah, before booklatch, All right,
Speaker 6: are you going?
Speaker 2: Are you leaving?
Speaker 5: Like that?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 2: But we had we had, we had time. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like we're walking out the door.
Speaker 1: It was like, because you get one go at your
Speaker 1: first book launch, do you did a little and Jemmy
Speaker 1: was there and Jemmy like she fixed it?
Speaker 2: Was I right, though, Well.
Speaker 6: You were right, but you know, you just have you
Speaker 6: could say you could, you know, bury it underneath all
Speaker 6: of the compliments in the world.
Speaker 2: You looked amazing, I know.
Speaker 3: But except for yeah, it was it wasn't bad.
Speaker 2: It was just like I was just just trying to give.
Speaker 3: Them because it takes notes so often in his in
Speaker 3: his career, and a lot of yeah you get given
Speaker 3: he likes.
Speaker 6: This isn't actually a note giving situation. This is just
Speaker 6: to sit there. We're not fixing today. No, always try
Speaker 6: and fix. We're not fixing, We're just.
Speaker 4: The perfection is in the imperfection, which I'm learning.
Speaker 2: I'm still listening.
Speaker 4: Don't learn that on stage though, on stage the perfect
Speaker 4: the imperfection is not the perfection.
Speaker 1: But I do like a in a musical where it's
Speaker 1: it is slightly different every night, but you'll get you know,
Speaker 1: someone reads a line of a different way and you
Speaker 1: have to react a different way.
Speaker 2: I do like that. I mean it's very similar, but like, but.
Speaker 4: That's letting the breath in. Yes, that's not someone correcting
Speaker 4: someone on stage.
Speaker 2: That's not right. Can you imagine? Sorry, guys, that's not right?
Speaker 2: Can you do that?
Speaker 3: What has been.
Speaker 4: The most brutal lesson that you've learned on stage or
Speaker 4: in that aspect of your life performance wise?
Speaker 2: Just just I think, just how.
Speaker 1: You have to be. You have to be in lockdown
Speaker 1: every night. It's eight shows a week. There is I
Speaker 1: think it was the discipline that I needed to learn
Speaker 1: when I first started doing Wicked. I think that's the
Speaker 1: best lesson I learned. I was a bit of a
Speaker 1: party boy, but loved Wicked so much that I you know,
Speaker 1: spend all this time with actings and seeing lessons, dance lessons,
Speaker 1: and then when I got into the eight shows a week,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is very hard to maintain
Speaker 1: your your diet, your physicality, your mindset to be on.
Speaker 1: Like you can't just like phone it in. There's no
Speaker 1: you can't phone it in a show because of someone's
Speaker 1: first time in the audience. But it's also your reputation
Speaker 1: is everything.
Speaker 4: So did you pick that up very early yourself, or
Speaker 4: did someone just from.
Speaker 1: Being around like incredible women like Maggie Kirkpatrick, Lucy Jirak,
Speaker 1: Amanda Harrison, Jemma Rix, my friend Rodney Dobson who's done
Speaker 1: a bunch of musicals and working with Rob get very
Speaker 1: early on just how professional he was every night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the best, the biggest lesson for me. It
Speaker 1: was like and then I realized, oh, I really love this.
Speaker 1: I really love the discipline of it. I really love
Speaker 1: the learning of it as well.
Speaker 3: And you needed that discipline too, you'd been looking for it.
Speaker 1: Correct didn't know I was pushing the boundaries trying to
Speaker 1: find You know that you're trying to find the edges
Speaker 1: or you push over like your your kids.
Speaker 2: Always do it like trying to find out where the
Speaker 2: boundaries are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that for me, I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is it and it's actually really well structured. There's something
Speaker 1: about the control of a musical though it's all within
Speaker 1: its boundaries.
Speaker 2: I think that I like. I like that it's yes, safe, yes.
Speaker 3: And everyone kind of knows how that will.
Speaker 1: And everyone stays in their lane. Everyone does their bit
Speaker 1: to make the thing work. It's like the cogs and
Speaker 1: a big machine.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: And what about you, Georgie.
Speaker 6: I think one probably the most brutal for me, who's
Speaker 6: a people pleaser and a people pleaser from the womb,
Speaker 6: was just that not everyone's going to like you, and
Speaker 6: I still struggle with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's horrible. It's awful. It's awful.
Speaker 6: And I don't mean just like an audience or a
Speaker 6: share for a listener, but even just people maybe in
Speaker 6: the office, but like your bosses, the people, all the
Speaker 6: opportunities they might just not like you or they've got
Speaker 6: someone else or all of that, and to not take
Speaker 6: things personally A lot of the time when that happens,
Speaker 6: I take everything personally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I take a lot. I've got have I got better?
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely heaps. Have I got better?
Speaker 3: I've got better.
Speaker 2: That's what I love about you and about us. We Yeah,
Speaker 2: we grow, No, we grow, we grow together.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I think I think I've got I've got better
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 6: But early on when it comes to yeah, criticism, even
Speaker 6: Roberts constructive criticism, I'll take it so personally right, And
Speaker 6: I remember a lots of people being like, there's so
Speaker 6: many different factors. And the more that I was working,
Speaker 6: and the more that I could see behind the scenes,
Speaker 6: and the more people that I met, and the more
Speaker 6: you know, who I would consider to be some of
Speaker 6: the greatest broadcasters and you know that has similar experiences
Speaker 6: all of this, I was like, oh, okay, maybe maybe
Speaker 6: it wasn't.
Speaker 3: Just me, but it is.
Speaker 6: It is it's difficult to reconcile and accept that there
Speaker 6: are people out there no matter what you could do,
Speaker 6: you could be perfect, and they still won't like you
Speaker 6: could be perfect or a perfect thanks language.
Speaker 2: I had to point that out.
Speaker 4: When I am perfect, when you still hate me, when
Speaker 4: you execute those notes, you will be.
Speaker 3: And you know in the book as well.
Speaker 4: In your book, you talk about a couple of times
Speaker 4: about having children. Have you talked to her about that
Speaker 4: and every day to you, are you ready? I think,
Speaker 4: I'm Yeah, you're pretty lucky.
Speaker 6: I think this is the first time in my life
Speaker 6: that way. I wouldn't call myself clucky. I don't know
Speaker 6: if I could be a clucky person.
Speaker 4: No, I wasn't a clucky person until I had until
Speaker 4: I had held one in my arm.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know if I could be a clucky person.
Speaker 6: But I think we're both now where most level at
Speaker 6: the moment, and I think we've ever been in our
Speaker 6: relationship about timing to have to have a kid, which
Speaker 6: is exciting, which.
Speaker 3: Is great for me, which is exciting, which is exciting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am waiting first.
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter matter, honestly, doesn't matter whatever comes first.
Speaker 6: But I I yeah, I just think that I had
Speaker 6: a I had a realization over.
Speaker 3: He's going to cry, You're going to if I don't
Speaker 3: look at you hearing.
Speaker 6: But I had a realization over New Years with one
Speaker 6: of my good girlfriends, and it was I No, I thought,
Speaker 6: I it was this aha moment to quote the Great Oprah,
Speaker 6: where I just thought I had to have achieved everything
Speaker 6: before I had. And I think it was the first
Speaker 6: time that I let myself think that that didn't have
Speaker 6: to be the case, and the first time that I
Speaker 6: felt that it was true for I don't have to
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 3: Actually what made.
Speaker 6: That idea land I honestly, I honestly don't don't know.
Speaker 2: Four or five glasses of wine.
Speaker 6: No, I hadn't even know, but no, I don't have
Speaker 6: one one champagne. I don't know. I think it was
Speaker 6: just it was probably just timing. It had been a
Speaker 6: really big year. Last year was a really big year.
Speaker 1: I think it was the fact that you took this
Speaker 1: holiday by yourself to hang out with some of our
Speaker 1: friends over in New York. And I think it was
Speaker 1: just that having that freedom and knowing that also I
Speaker 1: don't know whether that's me, but I like, allow you
Speaker 1: the freedom, you also allow me the freedom to go
Speaker 1: and do those things.
Speaker 3: It was like another eat, pray, love I guess also maybe.
Speaker 1: Maybe individualized, but also we come together for our moments
Speaker 1: as well, right, which I think is important.
Speaker 4: But also the project got acts last year. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: surely that has some resonance where you like, if you
Speaker 4: invest all your energies into work of whatever the shape
Speaker 4: that takes, that then that can be taken away.
Speaker 3: And I think that's probably it. You're just saying that.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, that's probably yeah, because that
Speaker 3: was very significant to.
Speaker 6: And that was like the job that I'd always wanted,
Speaker 6: and that was the job. I think I feel like
Speaker 6: I was just sort of almost just getting started on
Speaker 6: that job too, and it was that reminder of I've
Speaker 6: given everything to my career and it still disappeared.
Speaker 3: Yes, in a way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So why do I keep pushing this back back, back,
Speaker 6: back back when I know that it is something I want,
Speaker 6: it's something I want for us, it's something I want
Speaker 6: for him.
Speaker 3: Because of the factor of the image of a little
Speaker 3: hum in this world is very cute. Just it's too much.
Speaker 6: So I think that, yeah, that probably was the the
Speaker 6: clarifying factors.
Speaker 4: You know, the language that women that we use when
Speaker 4: we talk about you want to achieve things, and yet
Speaker 4: somehow we don't see the child or the family as
Speaker 4: an achievement. It's like I'm going to do this and
Speaker 4: then I'm going to but in many ways, as an
Speaker 4: extrapolation of love, the child is the achievement huge.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I mean I only see it from
Speaker 1: my friends and brothers and their kids and the amount
Speaker 1: of effort and work that goes into it.
Speaker 2: From my sisters in law is it's.
Speaker 3: The biggest stretch you can have, but you two are
Speaker 3: already very stretched.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's we're sort of building towards that,
Speaker 1: you know, saving so then we can have the time
Speaker 1: to do it, building things that's not just a musical,
Speaker 1: but building something outside of it that we can do
Speaker 1: knowing that we'll have income.
Speaker 3: Like what would that look like?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that for me, it's still performing.
Speaker 1: But I think for me, I'm very happy to be
Speaker 1: to stay at home dad, knowing that most of.
Speaker 2: My gigs are still at nighttime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I can afford that kind of space to
Speaker 1: raise kids, which.
Speaker 6: Has been That's been the conversation that we've had throughout
Speaker 6: our entire relationship, because you know, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 6: the clucky one, and maybe that will change because we have.
Speaker 3: A kid in it for the first time, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I only want to spend time with you, But.
Speaker 2: You're going to love this baby more than me.
Speaker 3: I did think that, and you will. You will love
Speaker 3: the baby more than me. Not true, he already do.
Speaker 3: I think that's natural. I probably love it as well.
Speaker 6: But early on when you were like, oh, we could
Speaker 6: have a kid, and I was like, I am a
Speaker 6: teen moment, you mean you've got to be more obsessed
Speaker 6: with me still, so yeah, but now that now that
Speaker 6: is changing. And now even to the point where it's psychef,
Speaker 6: I am like thinking about daydreaming about our life in
Speaker 6: the future and it's a family. There's points where I
Speaker 6: get really excited about what you know, our kid could achieve.
Speaker 3: And that when I when I had that feeling, you know,
Speaker 3: which crazy.
Speaker 4: Child has to be unattractively competitive.
Speaker 6: The right way, but you know what, what they want
Speaker 6: to do, what they want to be, they want to
Speaker 6: be and who they might be. And I think that's
Speaker 6: the first time that actually like hit that I was
Speaker 6: genuinely excited about that and to be like, oh, that
Speaker 6: would actually be rather magical.
Speaker 3: Okay, this time next year, what does it look like
Speaker 3: are you on stage?
Speaker 2: I'm probably probably looking after a baby I this.
Speaker 7: Time next geer, hang on to tell me now, count goodness,
Speaker 7: that's where start.
Speaker 2: We have to really.
Speaker 6: All right, lights, that's very soon, but potentially I'm not pregnant.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think there's are we still in Sydney.
Speaker 2: Who knows?
Speaker 3: Who knows? I think I think we are for now.
Speaker 6: I think we have now, But I also thought we're
Speaker 6: both going to be in Sydney when we're well back.
Speaker 4: Also, you're reading the weekend news now that's a sweety Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's great.
Speaker 6: It's great with ten and I also have got like
Speaker 6: the podcast. Yeah, I'm still still doing those. Yeah, so
Speaker 6: I can only see them growing. I think it's in
Speaker 6: particular my sports podcast is really really exciting jell me
Speaker 6: at the moment, So hopefully we get to keep doing that.
Speaker 6: But I want to do more writing, so like next year,
Speaker 6: I just want to be able to do some do
Speaker 6: some more writing.
Speaker 3: What did that look like in your schedule? It could
Speaker 3: be a sequel.
Speaker 6: I love a sequel. I'd love a sequel. I'd love
Speaker 6: to like have I'd love to go love a sequel.
Speaker 6: I'd love to adapt it into a script. I'd love
Speaker 6: to work on this other ya trilogy. I've been writing
Speaker 6: since I was like early twenties.
Speaker 3: All right, how long you've wanted to be a writer
Speaker 3: since you were a kid. That's amazing. Why, like, what
Speaker 3: what was the feeling of writing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Was it because you loved reading.
Speaker 6: Yes, because I loved reading, and I think it was
Speaker 6: always it always comes back to even my current job,
Speaker 6: it always comes back to storytelling.
Speaker 3: I've just always been obsessed.
Speaker 4: Very natural storyteller, and even like because you're juggling these
Speaker 4: storylines and characters, and but you've made it so easy
Speaker 4: to read. Yeah, and that is thank you. I find
Speaker 4: that extraordinary for a first novel. I truly find it extraordinary.
Speaker 4: And hang on to Maggie, hang on.
Speaker 1: I've read every iteration of this book, and from the
Speaker 1: get go. I remember reading that first, the prologue. It
Speaker 1: was the first thing that you write, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is excellent. This reads like a script, like I
Speaker 1: am gripped, Like the.
Speaker 2: Dialogue is so snappy.
Speaker 1: You can you can feel, you feel the person's inner workings,
Speaker 1: and you see the world as well, like the way
Speaker 1: you painted the news room or the restaurants or the
Speaker 1: bars that they go to. I think for me it's
Speaker 1: I've probably been to some of those places, but the
Speaker 1: world is so colorful and bright and view it's.
Speaker 4: A dialogistic it's like you, it's optimistic, but also like
Speaker 4: got its feet in the earth of reality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, it's really, I can't.
Speaker 6: I can't wait to interrogate you about every single thing
Speaker 6: about it because then we can just nerd out.
Speaker 3: Because but that's that's why. Because I've always just loved stories.
Speaker 6: I loved reading when I was younger, I loved going
Speaker 6: into different worlds. I loved especially like fantasy books, and
Speaker 6: like quests and adventures, and I love all of that.
Speaker 6: And then when I was actually writing, I just genuinely
Speaker 6: find writing so much fun. And I always find that increasile,
Speaker 6: like when when do you do it?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 6: For this, I did really struggle finding time to write
Speaker 6: this because when I first started.
Speaker 2: This, you know, finding time or making time.
Speaker 3: But that's it.
Speaker 6: That's what I hate that I can't make time. I
Speaker 6: just simply couldn't make time. So it was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: i'll get up early and i'll write before work, or
Speaker 6: I'll get home and i'll write after work. I never
Speaker 6: did any of that. I needed like a full day
Speaker 6: that I could like dip in and out. But when
Speaker 6: I was actually sat down to write, I wrote very
Speaker 6: quickly because I kind of got lost in yes, in
Speaker 6: the world, in the characters, in what they were doing,
Speaker 6: because they're real to me. So the girls in my mind,
Speaker 6: they do exist, and I'm just always currently thinking about
Speaker 6: what they're what they're doing, or what's what's what's going
Speaker 6: on with them too. Yeah, And I think I've always
Speaker 6: written so when when I first moved out of home,
Speaker 6: like if I was trying to decompress from like a
Speaker 6: day at work or something, I would just sit at
Speaker 6: my laptop and write different stories. So there's you know,
Speaker 6: dozens of half written manuscripts on my.
Speaker 3: Oh my life. You can retire, but you look after
Speaker 3: to the babies.
Speaker 4: The Barbara Cartland was going to take care of everything.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would love because and I think it's just
Speaker 6: been creative, right, Like you just get to create like
Speaker 6: a fool.
Speaker 2: It was one of the first things that Georgie gave
Speaker 2: me was her script of a young adult novel.
Speaker 3: That's how I liked him. Yeah, trust, that's a big trust.
Speaker 2: Ex so something I loved it.
Speaker 3: And what did he give you? What was what was that?
Speaker 3: What was what's your version of that?
Speaker 1: I thought she was a nerd, So I gave her
Speaker 1: this book that I loved so much because it gave
Speaker 1: me a lot of perspective of the world called Freakonomics,
Speaker 1: written by Stephen Levett, Stephen Dubna and it's a great podcast.
Speaker 1: I really like as well anyway, just to show her like,
Speaker 1: this is the kind of stuff that I like.
Speaker 2: It was like the economics of everyday things, and it
Speaker 2: was romantic. Well obviously I know that.
Speaker 3: Now I love the sentimental.
Speaker 2: Have you read it.
Speaker 3: I've not read it, and I've still not read that book.
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what. I'll save it from a fire.
Speaker 6: I'll save it from a fire, sure, because I love
Speaker 6: the sentiment of it.
Speaker 3: I love that you loved it and you gave it
Speaker 3: to me, and it's very special to me.
Speaker 2: But I have, I have, I've read all the things
Speaker 2: that she has given.
Speaker 3: Me, the great books.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think when I was testing with that, you
Speaker 4: need to give him one of those nine parts series Huge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the story of civilization of Man. He'd actually
Speaker 3: probably like that, whereas I would learning that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had learning when I was a kid at school.
Speaker 3: I hate learning, but now I love learning.
Speaker 6: I used to doing yours, No, but I did something
Speaker 6: to my never ending to do Italians.
Speaker 3: See, you have already master anything you can't do.
Speaker 2: Speak Italian.
Speaker 4: Rob Mills and Mills, Georgie, Tommy what a delight you are. No,
Speaker 4: you're a delight, you're a look at But just how
Speaker 4: refreshing and beautiful to have.
Speaker 3: Such talent and such.
Speaker 4: Optimism and such good engines going out into our country.
Speaker 3: I think it's amazing.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I wish you every success. Oh I love this chat.
Speaker 4: Some interviews are more like conversations with great friends, and
Speaker 4: this was certainly one of those. The thing that I
Speaker 4: love most about these two is that they're just as
Speaker 4: delightful together as they are separately. We covered weddings and
Speaker 4: babies and books and theater, rejection, reality TV, orgies and
Speaker 4: about a thousand other things, and honestly we could have
Speaker 4: talked for hours more. Georgie's debut novel, It's So Good,
Speaker 4: Over to You It's called is out now, and Rob
Speaker 4: is currently starring in the Australian premiere production of Waitress,
Speaker 4: also So Good. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure
Speaker 4: you follow no Filter wherever you're listening. I'm your host,
Speaker 4: Kate Linebrook, and I look forward to seeing you next Monday.