WEBVTT - Georgie Tunny & Rob Mills: The Marriage And Baby Conversation Everyone Keeps Asking About 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.719 Stuff has happened before, Georgie, but of course we always 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.279 I remember when very very early on we're talking about, 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:08.440 you know, I will go into a bar or like 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:09.680 an opening night or someone. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:14.040 I've also been with that and she's like, how many. 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:17.439 Okay, Look, all of these relationships that I've had before 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:18.680 you have led me to you. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.520 I'm the person I am because it's in a Taylor 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:22.239 Swift song. 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:25.800 I Share your Time. 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.920 Hello, I'm Kate Lanebrook, and today I am so very 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.640 thrilled to be sitting down with two of my favorite people, 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.720 Georgie Tunney and Rob Mills. You might know him as 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.960 Millsy and you might know her as Georgie Tunney. Now 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.800 I have known Georgie for years. We work together on 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.600 the project, and I've had a front row seat to 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.839 watching her become one of the smartest, hardest working and 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:57.840 most ambitious women in Australian media. She's a journalist, television presenter, 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:03.440 newsreader and now a Fishcally, a novelist with her debut 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.680 fiction book Over to You, which is out now. And 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.240 then there's Rob Mills Millsey who's been a staple of 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:15.240 Australian television ever since he burst onto our screens on 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:19.360 Australian Idol back in two thousand and three. Since then, 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:25.040 he's built an extraordinary career across music, TV and musical theater. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:29.960 He's currently starring in the Australian premiere of Waitress and 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:34.560 together they are one of Australia's most beloved couples. They've 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:39.080 been together for seven years, engaged for four. Come on, people, 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.360 well they're constantly being asked the same questions, when's the wedding. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.039 What about babies? What's the plan? 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:50.440 And in this conversation I asked them exactly that. We 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:54.600 talk about the dm Rob sent Georgie after spotting her 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:58.800 on ABC Breakfast, the months she left him hanging, their 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:03.880 very first coffee, and the surprising reason their relationship works 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:09.640 so well. We talk about ambition, rejection, long engagements, life 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:16.079 in the spotlight, Rob's dating history, Georgie's dreams, and why 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.520 Rob says this time next year he'd quite like to 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:23.360 be looking after a baby. Mostly though, this is a 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:29.040 conversation about love and timing and friendship and two wonderful 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.240 people building a life together on their own terms. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.079 This is Georgie Tunney and Rob Mills. 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:43.640 Who am I speaking with? I am speaking to two 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.520 people who I love. Hopefully I will at the end 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:53.280 of this conversation. For now, I have Georgie Tunney and 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.919 I have Rob Mills. Welcome to no filter. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:57.000 Great to be here. 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:02.520 Now, first I need to clear this up. Am I 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.119 right in thinking that, among your many achievements, you two 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:10.040 nearly won the erasing Amazing race only last year? 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:10.240 Ye? 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.440 Are you the same person that called me ten minutes 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.600 ago from the foyer of this building on a main 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.520 street in Melbourne and said I think we're here I 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.400 and had to go be rescued from the foyer and 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:24.880 brought up to the fourth floor. 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:26.079 That's right. 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:30.320 Directions are not great for Tunny and sometimes when I 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.200 let her lead, it doesn't go well. And also we 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:34.239 did have all the information. 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.720 When you lead, you don't sometimes it doesn't go well. 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:38.320 But if you're with me, it's your fault. 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.480 Yeah, I had put the wrong address in. 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:42.800 We were. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.640 Said it's fifty minute walk because I can't be right 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.560 you know what from when you were here. I'm living 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.360 in Fitzroy at the moment with a race and borrowed 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.160 his car to get down here because of the rain, 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:56.800 and George just like, yeah, it was going to be 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:57.720 like a fifty minute walk. 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.240 You said it was like a six It is a 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:00.960 ten minute walk. I think you put the wrong edit. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:01.520 No I haven't. 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:05.440 No, Okay, So now do you have pause to reflect 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.920 on maybe why you didn't win the Amazing Race? 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:08.360 Yeah? 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.320 Sometimes, I mean, as you know, when I came back, 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:15.160 I feel that I only lost, Like I only didn't 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:16.080 sleep for three days. 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.080 Not winning that only carry out for three. 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:23.599 Duse, you are so competiti, which is surprising to people, 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.520 I think because you have a very sunny disposition and 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.239 you're very open to the world. 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:30.599 But you've got killering you. 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.160 Oh yes, yes, especially white line fever. As soon as 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.000 as soon as like a red light goes on or 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:37.960 as soon as a whistle is blown. I'm just like, 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.679 I get the tunnel vision, the tunny vision, the tunny vision. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:42.640 I get the tuny vision. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:44.599 And that was the whole thing on the Amazing Race 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:48.200 for sure, which I describe myself as unattractively competitive. Yeah, 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.080 and I own that. I love that about it. But 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:51.720 ROB describe you. 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:52.800 Yep, the same, exactly the same. 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:55.080 Yeah. 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:59.560 It was just mind boggling at times, just how ferocious. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.760 Like I think the thing that I said before we left, 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.680 I said, you've not done a whole lot in your life, 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.520 like work wise, absolutely, like Mammoth a man of achievements, right, 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.440 but not like travel and like you know, like I've 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.360 done a lot of yeah, where you get yourself in 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:15.800 trouble and you have to work your way out of it. 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.560 Where you think that book smart versus the street smart yes, 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:20.760 or BookSmart more street smart yes. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:22.279 So I said, there's gonna be things that you haven't 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.040 done before and it's okay, You're just gonna have to 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:24.680 work work for them. 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:25.920 She's like, yeah, I'll be fine. I'll be fine. 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.680 Like every challenge, she's like, why am I not amazing 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:31.359 at this thing that I've just picked up for the 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:32.120 very first time. 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:34.720 She was so frustrated at herself. I was like, you've 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:36.520 just started learning how to do this. 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.200 But it was it was really interesting to watch her 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:43.800 competitive brain and then watch her even over but overcome it. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.200 The thing that I loved the most was she never 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.480 gave up once. There are a few moments I think 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.560 where you had tears in your eyes, You're gonna you're 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.440 going to go, but you you didn't. You just went no, 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.320 I'm going to keep going I'm just going to push 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:57.919 on and going to get through this challenge. 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.960 It was amazing. I was like blown away by the Rezio. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:04.440 It's well, okay, So because the pair of you, this 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:08.440 is quite a fascinating thing to have in a union 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:14.320 because there's the yin and the yang, but both of 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.120 you come also fully formed with your own yin and 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.440 yang that you then have to put together. You both 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.440 have very high profiles in the country. You're both very 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:29.080 accomplished except with directions and yeah, and so people will 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:34.080 know you, Georgie through a myriad of ways, probably ABC, 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.840 the Breakfast Show on ABC, through the Project Now as 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:47.120 an author, like very accomplished debut like amazing, amazing, and 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:54.039 Millsey if I may, you may okay years through Idle, Yeah, 0:06:56.040 --> 0:07:00.240 the inaugural Idol two and three, which was the one 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.040 to be in. I think so, yeah, because those people 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.600 are still we all know them, whereas some of the 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.360 others you're like, you know a few, but okay. 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:16.440 Idle TV hosts also author book about manhood, very revealing 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:18.120 book about manhood. 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.640 Thank You, and musical theater and musical theater. 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:26.520 And I still remember when I saw you in Wicked 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:27.840 in the job. 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:33.880 I was just so astounded. I think there's a tendency. 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.680 I mean everyone has it, I guess, but to underestimate 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:42.440 people if you think, you know, we like to we 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.679 like to say what people's capability. It's a very strange 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.640 like you always getting comments. I'm not normally a fan 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:50.360 of Kate Langer. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:52.119 Do you know those things? 0:07:52.320 --> 0:08:01.360 Surprisingly you were so brilliant and so catapulted you then 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.280 into a lot of productions. 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.679 Yeah. I think I just found myself in like enjoying 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.000 being part of a team. As a kid who grew 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.680 up playing footy and cricket and baseball, I was like, oh, 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.280 I really love being part of a team. Musical theater 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.040 is like a team of people. In some games, you're 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.280 you know, you're cast as the center half forward or 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.120 the for forward and other other roles. It might be 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.240 a back pocket player, but that's okay. The good thing 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.040 is every every time that you finish a show or 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.600 a game you win, people clap at the end. 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:29.240 It's the best the best job in the world. 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:30.200 I catched Troy Bolton. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.480 Yeah, but you're also a star, thank you. The star 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.280 quality is just one of those things that can't be synthesized. 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.640 I agree, look at him, get uncomfortable and he hates it, 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.960 but own that you are. 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:44.959 Like you work in show is made. I don't know 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:46.880 if you realize. 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.199 I got a great one on Saturday night. I had 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.240 a corporate over in Adelaide because you're doing I'm doing 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.840 Waitress the music at the moment, and then to do 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:55.680 a gig over in Adelaide on the weekend and this 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.240 one we're doing. Meeting great afterwards, and she's like, I 0:08:58.280 --> 0:08:59.800 was pretty disappointed when I found out it was going 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:01.559 to be you on the bill, But then she goes. 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:05.720 You're very good. You're excellent. You could just say you're 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:10.400 excellent the pre bit. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.679 All right, So because both of you are fully formed, 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:18.320 how did you discover I feel like I should know 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:19.439 this because we shared. 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:24.600 The project disc for quite a while. I don't know how. 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.040 You met the origin story. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:30.200 I want that origin story. I want it. Do you 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:31.720 have the same version of it? 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:32.520 Yes? 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.440 I'm going to say you're not allowed to look at 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.240 each other in the middle of it, because. 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.360 I can't stop you doing anything. But do you know 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:41.720 what I mean? 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.200 You know he's cracking the whip, he's cracking the whib Okay, 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.200 who do you want to start. 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:49.960 I want to hear from Rob. I want the millsy 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:50.880 meeting Tony. 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.640 Okay, I've been I've been seeing. I broke up with 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:55.520 my partner maybe a year and a half, two years before. 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.800 I've been on like tried the Tinder route of dating. 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.560 Yes, what year are we talking? 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:06.320 Or twenty sixteen? Maybe I can't yeaheah. 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.680 And then I turned on the ABC Breakfast one morning 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.480 in over summer and I was like, who is the 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.000 new sports girl? Yes, I've googled it. Who's a new 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.800 sports girl on ABC Breakfast Georgia. Chinese name pops up? 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:19.640 That is her. 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.199 And then I quickly went on Instagram. We've got mutual friends, Abby, 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.719 tell me Matt Douran. I was like, okay, okay, take 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.080 a breath, center. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.400 A message, and I just breathless. 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:34.839 Yeah. Because she's so funny and charming. She loves sport, yes, 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:35.600 And every. 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.920 Time that they crossed back to Georgia at the sports desk, 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:39.640 she was just like she come up with a different 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.720 topic or a different story, and it was vivacious, like 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:43.479 was throwing. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.280 A fresh There's something so fresh about you. 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.839 It's beautiful, just the way she was throwing the banter 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.000 back to the other hosts. I was like, oh, this 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.000 is very very natural now, not like a newsreader, not 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:56.200 like a normal reporter. 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:56.920 Yeah. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.080 And I was like, oh, that's charisma. So I center 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.520 a message saying they had a messy Yeah. I was 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.920 like in my DMS and like, it must have been 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:08.960 eight in the morning. Hi, my name's Rob. I know 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:10.320 what it's like to be new in a new city. 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.920 And it looks like you're new to Melbourne. If you 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.040 need anyone to show around to get a new to 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.920 get a coffee or some of the good food places, 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:19.080 I'd love to be that person. 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:20.680 Not a wed. 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:22.559 I'm not a widow. We have not a widow. We 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.800 have some mutual friends. Let me know, right, And then 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:27.199 she didn't reply. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.640 Oh okay, so where are you in your life at 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:31.160 this point? 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:32.760 So in my life right now. 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:36.960 Back then, it was like it was twenty eighteen when 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.680 you messaged me, and I had only recently moved to 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:44.600 Melbourne from from Sydney. I've been working in the Sydney 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:48.480 newsroom with ABC for about four years, okay, and I 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.920 was desperate to work on breakfast television. I was like, 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.400 that's my ultimate dream, that's where I belong that's that's 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:58.040 that's the pinnacle, and I was willing to do any 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.680 any shift to get there. So I moved down with 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.560 a producer producer role predominantly but like the fill in presenter, 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.560 and so whenever I wasn't writing the show, I got 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:09.800 to be the fill in host. 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.440 And I was sport I was, I was, but Robert 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:12.920 was watching. 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.720 One day when I was the sports host, I was. 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.000 I didn't know too many people in Melbourne because I 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.000 was relatively you to Melbourne. My best friend lived here. 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.840 But I was so busy because I was working shift 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.040 work and I'd never done two am starts. Yes, that's 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.199 four AM stars, but never two am starts. 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:33.199 Two am is not even a start, it's just the 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:34.160 day never finished. 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:35.000 Yeah. 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:36.720 Yeah, so I was. I was. I was struggling with 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:38.319 that new routine. 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.040 And then I got a random d M from someone 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.800 called Rob Mills and Mills on Instagram and I was like. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:45.200 Did you know who that was? 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.360 I did, Yeah, yeah, you're very cross, very cross. Yeah yeah, 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.640 very a cross. And also because when he hates me talking, 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:56.120 I did vote for Guy, but the OG well a lot. 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:56.560 Of people voted. 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.240 Yeah he won obviously. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.000 Yeah, So I was in a lot more. 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:02.200 That's how burning works. 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:04.120 He was quite popular. He was quite popular. 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:10.240 Yeah, yeah, but I so because when that when the 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.800 o g Idle was, I was like peak fangirl tween age, 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:23.920 like I was eating Zone. I was because so I 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.200 was like there watching it was it became obsessed with it. 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.120 It was my first, like four a into into reality TV, 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:30.600 and I think it was a lot of people. So, yes, 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:32.720 I knew who Robert was. He was one of my favorites. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.240 I loved when he sang Maroune five harder to breathe. 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.160 It's like I remember those things. I remember the two 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.679 are you singing with Courtney Acts kids? And then I 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.440 knew that he'd gone into musicals and I had seen 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.600 him in Greece. I never saw him in Wicked, but 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.720 I've seen him in Greece, and I think legally blonde. 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.080 But other than that, that was That was it. That's 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:52.559 quite a lot. 0:13:52.920 --> 0:14:05.080 Okay, everything about you here, So you get the message. 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:06.679 I get that you think, where are you in your 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:11.000 personal life? Personal life? Single? Single? Yeah, how long? I 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:12.439 would say, oh forever? 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:14.840 Yeah, Ever, I would say yeah, not by not by choice, 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:16.720 just by uselessness. 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:18.560 And also moving moving around. 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:24.160 Yeah, and yeah, yeah, just the unattractive, unattractive competityt that. 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:24.520 Got the way. 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.880 I was horrific on the dating apps, like so bad. 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.240 I played it. Actually I played it like a game, 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.120 so it was kind of just like like it was 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:33.040 like a pokem machine. 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.240 In the end, I would just be like like. 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:42.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so and and I I so I 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.720 wasn't actively dating. I didn't have time in my mind 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.600 to actively date anyway. And I was just trying to 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:52.000 still take over the breakfast breakfast, yeah, take over. 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:58.200 You are unapologetically ambitious, which is very refreshing. I think 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.240 it's I've only I've only started being maybe. 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.080 Oh I have always been, but maybe I've only started 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.480 being like about it maybe. 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:10.160 Yeah. And also, the characters in your book are yes, yeah, 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.040 And I think that's led me. 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.160 Yeah, because as soon as I started writing them and 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.560 I found that I actually really liked those traits in them, 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:19.880 and I thought I admired that, And I was like, oh, 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.680 why do I judge myself so harshly for having that 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:23.520 kind of ambition? 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:25.440 And I wrote a whole book about that. 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.920 Because there are also three women who work in the 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:32.560 media and who want to work even more in the 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.040 media and who were just like but also navigating a 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:42.400 friendship in your life. How has that worked out with 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:46.000 compatriots that you sort of come through with, particularly if 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.040 you like start more behind the scenes you said you 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:53.280 started producing or whatever. It's often an innate tension in 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:57.160 a relationship when you might both want to be front facing. 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:01.000 Yeah, definitely, it's hard. And I didn't have some friendships 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.400 like that. I would say I'm probably a rareer case. 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:04.960 Maybe I didn't have a lot of them, but I 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.720 had some, and then those friendships did just fall away because. 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.200 We couldn't talk about it, and honestly, and. 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:13.440 For a lot of them, I remember that was some 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:18.320 of the biggest, some of the most intense heartbreak I've 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.080 had in my life is three friendship breakups like that, 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.760 and you just it just it actually it just wounds you, 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:25.520 like it just it feels physical. 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.560 I spoke to Georgia Love on No Filter and she 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.920 said exactly the same thing, as she'd been through a 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:36.200 marriage breakup at that time, but she said what absolutely 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:40.600 destroyed her was the loss of her best female friend. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.800 it's it really hers and it's just it's a different 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.720 type of love, but it doesn't mean it's not as 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:48.960 strong as the love that I would feel for Robert. 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.200 It's just in a different, a different way. 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.720 But somehow Robert knew watching the screen that this was 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:55.920 his time to strong. 0:16:55.960 --> 0:17:01.000 I thought, Hello, that kind of crazy, kooky, ambitious. 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.880 Who's lost friends through her blind ambition. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.120 So I don't know any so I don't know any 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.600 of this about like any of her inner workings. I 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.560 just thought she was like playing it cool by not 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.320 messaging me. I had a boyfriend, Yeah, she must be 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.480 seeing other people. So we didn't actually meet up until 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:19.440 maybe three months later later. 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:26.119 Oh and how through did you DM? 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.679 But I messaged like every couple of weeks. It's like 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:30.880 just seeing if you if you're you know, you still 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:31.159 want to. 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:31.600 Have to catch up. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.159 She was replying back, but are lucky you're used to 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:36.640 having to do a lot of auditions exactly. 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.159 I love it that you can. I'm used to. 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.639 But I was like, she says, she's keen. You know, 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:44.640 I don't think I'm in the I don't think she's 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.720 that into you. Whatever it is that is that into you. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.119 But I was like, all right, I'm just going to 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.240 keep trying. You know what, if you like Harry Potter. 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.359 I'm in this play called Puffs. It's like a Harry 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.119 Potter's spin off. I'll leave two tickets for you for 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.959 opening it, Harry Potter. She absolutely loves Harry and I 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:04.480 played Cedric in the first act and Voldemort in the 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:05.040 second act. 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:06.840 And it's very silly, very stupid. 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:11.119 And we met up that night after the show for 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:12.160 a tour backstage. 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:12.880 Where did you bring? 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.520 I brought my best ea, Holly, and I remember when 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.960 Robert had initially messaged me like, I have my two 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.800 best girlfriends who I've dedicated the book to, holand is Well, 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:24.600 they were obviously the first ones that I told, and 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.800 then also jell Me because roberts like, we've got mutual friends. 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:31.399 I was like, okay, we had, we had one. I 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:32.760 swear I'm not crazy one. 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.040 Yeah, And I remember Jellmy was like, well no, because 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:37.000 like he seemed with a. 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:38.399 Nice message in back messaging back. 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.240 And then when you slid into my d MS again, 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.600 I was actually on a I think I was on 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.639 a girls trip in Port Douglas and you'd replied to 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:52.760 a story of us doing a boomerang with Apparol Spritzer's yeah, 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:58.320 and you and he just goes, what's your email. Oh, 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.399 it's like, what's your email? And then and then was like, 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:05.200 I'm in this new play. And my girlfriend Holly was 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:06.800 with me, and she just goes, well, what's the play? 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.359 And I was like, oh, this Harry Pottery. 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.520 Where we're going? Where we're going? Okay? And so I 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:12.760 took you. 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.600 I took hole and we'd had seven champagnes without dinner 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.760 by interval, so I was nervous. 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:20.280 And then we hung around. 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.560 I was working at two am the next morning, right 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:29.040 and champagne for that alarm, and I wanted to go. 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.320 I was about to go, like like the show finished, 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:32.240 and I was like, well, I've got to go. 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:33.040