WEBVTT - Meghan Markle’s Quietly Calculated Move & Some Risqué The White Lotus Thoughts 0:00:11.064 --> 0:00:14.104 So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 0:00:14.784 --> 0:00:18.664 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 0:00:18.704 --> 0:00:26.704 that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 0:00:26.744 --> 0:00:29.704 to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 0:00:29.784 --> 0:00:34.064 Brodnick and joining me on this interesting looking orange couch. 0:00:33.944 --> 0:00:39.344 Is Kelly mccaren, usually over on the beauty podcast You Beauty. 0:00:39.744 --> 0:00:43.784 I'm joining the Lovely Laura today to discuss all things celebrity. 0:00:43.344 --> 0:00:45.504 Well in sports. Funnily enough, oh. 0:00:45.464 --> 0:00:49.584 Yes, sports, celebrity penises. We're getting into all of it Todayre's. 0:00:49.184 --> 0:00:50.224 A myriad of topics. 0:00:50.264 --> 0:00:53.144 We've already been discussing nitball and yeah, we're going about 0:00:53.144 --> 0:00:53.584 to get into it. 0:00:53.664 --> 0:00:55.984 Hole exactly what I feel like this couch, which I 0:00:55.984 --> 0:00:58.344 should say we are not now pod studio today because 0:00:58.384 --> 0:01:00.864 the aircorne's broken and someone was very dramatic and so 0:01:00.944 --> 0:01:03.664 they were going to die. That was definitely was absolutely 0:01:03.744 --> 0:01:05.304 I think that's actually a fair call. I don't do 0:01:05.384 --> 0:01:07.424 well in heat. That's why I left North Queensland. So 0:01:07.464 --> 0:01:09.744 we've stolen mea Friedman's office. I just feel like I'm 0:01:09.744 --> 0:01:10.504 on this couch. 0:01:10.584 --> 0:01:14.184 Well, it's very like I'm sitting cross legs leaning like 0:01:14.344 --> 0:01:15.664 this is a comfortable chair. 0:01:15.704 --> 0:01:17.064 I'm just going to have a little DNM, have a 0:01:17.104 --> 0:01:19.544 little counseling session. By the end of this, I'll probably 0:01:19.584 --> 0:01:21.504 closer to the floor because I find during these episodes 0:01:21.504 --> 0:01:22.784 I just kind of slink down. 0:01:23.344 --> 0:01:23.944 I won't move. 0:01:24.104 --> 0:01:26.104 Okay, that's good to know, which is kind of good 0:01:26.104 --> 0:01:28.304 because we've got some very interesting stuff to discuss today, 0:01:28.384 --> 0:01:30.624 so I feel like the couch setup is good. We 0:01:30.664 --> 0:01:33.704 are going to talk about Megan Markle's newest business venture. 0:01:33.824 --> 0:01:35.904 I think we'll have very different views on that, and 0:01:35.944 --> 0:01:37.904 I think there's a bit of a theory as to 0:01:37.944 --> 0:01:41.064 why she's going in this direction that's making people very upset. 0:01:41.384 --> 0:01:43.584 And then you have a hot take on a very 0:01:43.704 --> 0:01:46.664 big event. Yeah, I don't know the sports side of it, 0:01:46.744 --> 0:01:49.464 a very big event that happened in Australia the last 0:01:49.464 --> 0:01:51.864 couple of days. All the famous people were there and 0:01:51.904 --> 0:01:54.064 we have a few opinions on who gets to go 0:01:54.144 --> 0:01:59.424 to those events. But first pinis yes, suns up. So 0:01:59.664 --> 0:02:03.144 White Lotus where midway about I think through season three 0:02:03.264 --> 0:02:06.864 of The White Lotus and they're are really slow. It 0:02:06.944 --> 0:02:08.384 is a slow which is kind of what I think 0:02:08.424 --> 0:02:10.744 is very interesting about is that a lot of critics 0:02:10.744 --> 0:02:13.424 in particular saying that this has been quite a slow 0:02:13.504 --> 0:02:17.104 and uneventful season, and to an extent, yes, like there's 0:02:17.104 --> 0:02:19.664 lots of little talking points around it, and I think 0:02:19.704 --> 0:02:22.864 the performances in particular are very good this season. But 0:02:23.064 --> 0:02:25.504 we're kind of midway through the season now and there 0:02:25.584 --> 0:02:28.744 haven't really been a lot of plot twists, scandals. It 0:02:28.824 --> 0:02:30.664 just feels like it's moving in a very kind of 0:02:30.864 --> 0:02:34.544 slow hyper n yeah, yeah, little, there's little like viral 0:02:34.584 --> 0:02:37.264 moments like that, And the last two episodes things seem 0:02:37.304 --> 0:02:39.704 to have kicked up a little bit, and I wonder 0:02:39.704 --> 0:02:41.424 if that's because so far it's been a bit of 0:02:41.464 --> 0:02:45.024 like a sexless season in how each season is meant 0:02:45.024 --> 0:02:46.664 to be like one of the seven Deadly Sins. 0:02:46.824 --> 0:02:48.544 Okay, what was number one then? But it was the 0:02:48.584 --> 0:02:49.104 first season. 0:02:49.144 --> 0:02:51.064 So the first season was hooked on greed and then 0:02:51.064 --> 0:02:53.944 we've got lost and then this one is gluty. I 0:02:53.984 --> 0:02:56.384 thought so that, yes, yes, you call that, which I 0:02:56.424 --> 0:02:57.864 don't know what it says about me that the second 0:02:57.904 --> 0:03:00.344 season is just by faith but lusty people like to 0:03:00.384 --> 0:03:02.824 watch sex, yeah, sexy thing, yes we do. And so 0:03:02.944 --> 0:03:05.024 this season wasn't meant to be as much about that. 0:03:05.424 --> 0:03:07.624 But there's been like a few little moments that have 0:03:07.904 --> 0:03:11.544 become very viral, and one of those is, oh, you 0:03:11.544 --> 0:03:13.184 didn't like the penis scene from last weekend? 0:03:13.264 --> 0:03:16.344 Oh no, I did like that one. Gosh, sorry, it 0:03:16.424 --> 0:03:17.464 wasn't nice, Staddy. 0:03:17.664 --> 0:03:20.384 Oh, it wasn't even meant to be like a big 0:03:20.384 --> 0:03:24.784 old slung It wasn't even with that word. And then 0:03:24.784 --> 0:03:27.304 Harry pottered two things you don't normally hear together. It 0:03:27.344 --> 0:03:29.424 wasn't even meant to be like a big plot twist 0:03:29.504 --> 0:03:31.744 or a sexy moment or anything like that. Like it's 0:03:31.744 --> 0:03:33.984 literally because he's so like drugged out of his mind 0:03:34.024 --> 0:03:36.264 because of all the money he's stolen and beezzled that 0:03:36.384 --> 0:03:40.304 Jason Isaac's character Tim Ratliffe didn't close his robu. But 0:03:40.464 --> 0:03:43.104 I think it was meant to be like a shocking 0:03:43.104 --> 0:03:46.304 moment for the audience in terms of like I think 0:03:46.344 --> 0:03:48.824 like White kind of weeves those little moments through the show. 0:03:48.904 --> 0:03:51.104 So you have those moments that kind of jilt you 0:03:51.144 --> 0:03:52.944 out of the storyline. 0:03:52.504 --> 0:03:55.424 Yes, but you also know that it's coming or you 0:03:55.464 --> 0:03:58.024 feel uncomfortable because you feel like you think you know 0:03:58.104 --> 0:04:00.424 it's coming. Yeah, like every time the rope kept getting 0:04:00.464 --> 0:04:02.704 that little bit high. I was watching, going, my god, 0:04:02.824 --> 0:04:04.584 cover yourself, like your children are right there. 0:04:04.664 --> 0:04:06.704 I know, and they're already knowing from the first time 0:04:06.744 --> 0:04:08.904 we saw them as the incest family, and that I 0:04:08.944 --> 0:04:11.384 didn't even come to the second episode. Really, they're already 0:04:11.384 --> 0:04:13.384 known as the incest family, so it was interesting to 0:04:13.384 --> 0:04:15.544 do it there. What I also thought was interesting about 0:04:15.544 --> 0:04:18.424 that scene is that Jason Isaacs, who plays that character, 0:04:18.544 --> 0:04:20.344 did a lot of media the next day to talk 0:04:20.344 --> 0:04:23.904 about it. We'll talk about the show, but that's obviously why. Yeah, 0:04:24.024 --> 0:04:26.824 So when he was being asked on all the talk 0:04:26.824 --> 0:04:29.024 shows that he went on, he said, I'm not going 0:04:29.064 --> 0:04:30.584 to talk about that, and I think there's a. 0:04:30.584 --> 0:04:32.864 Humory Adam Daimos or whatever his name is. 0:04:33.224 --> 0:04:35.424 Second yea, yeah, he said, I'm not going to talk 0:04:35.464 --> 0:04:37.744 about that because I think it's a wild double standard 0:04:38.064 --> 0:04:40.224 that women don't have to talk about how they do 0:04:40.264 --> 0:04:42.424 their sex scenes. And first of all, they absolutely do. 0:04:42.784 --> 0:04:46.264 But he talks about Mikey Madison from Anora, and he said, 0:04:46.304 --> 0:04:50.024 no one's asking Mikey Madison to explain her volver, so 0:04:50.104 --> 0:04:51.704 I shouldn't have to explain my penis. 0:04:51.944 --> 0:04:53.824 Are you a fake vulver, yes or not. 0:04:53.904 --> 0:04:56.544 You see her volver in the movie like that, you 0:04:56.584 --> 0:04:58.744 see her boobs and you see other things, but there's 0:04:58.744 --> 0:05:00.064 no full front of the volp. 0:05:00.464 --> 0:05:04.984 We've lived a very long few decades, longer through misogyny 0:05:05.024 --> 0:05:07.024 and sexism. Yeah, we're allowed to have our moment. 0:05:07.064 --> 0:05:08.944 But also, if you did see a full shot of 0:05:08.984 --> 0:05:13.944 Mikey Madison's vulver in an she would be asked about that, Yeah, exactly. 0:05:13.984 --> 0:05:15.864 But you saw her boobs. They looked very real, So 0:05:15.944 --> 0:05:18.744 that wasn't a conversation. So Jason Isaacs was very much like, 0:05:18.784 --> 0:05:21.264 I'm an actor, do not ask me about my craft. 0:05:21.464 --> 0:05:25.864 But he didn't pass that along to Jesus. But he 0:05:25.904 --> 0:05:29.344 didn't pass those tidbits along to his TV children because 0:05:29.344 --> 0:05:31.344 then they did interviews when we are asked about it, 0:05:31.704 --> 0:05:33.904 and they all said, oh, yeah, that was a prosthetic. 0:05:33.984 --> 0:05:36.544 Like Sam Navola, who plays Lockie, was like, yeah, he 0:05:36.624 --> 0:05:39.024 was really proud of the prosthetic, Like it was really funny. 0:05:39.064 --> 0:05:41.104 On the day, we all kept laughing about it, whacking 0:05:41.144 --> 0:05:43.864 each other. Yeah, So obviously they didn't pass the memo 0:05:43.944 --> 0:05:45.784 on that it was meant to be this mysterious thing. 0:05:45.784 --> 0:05:48.264 You weren't meant to talk about, so that's become one 0:05:48.304 --> 0:05:50.944 of the big talking points. And then last night's episode, 0:05:50.984 --> 0:05:53.504 this is very spoiler like people like it's everywhere today. 0:05:53.544 --> 0:05:55.464 It's not like a big plot twist or anything like that, 0:05:55.784 --> 0:05:58.904 was that the two brothers from that same incestuous little 0:05:58.904 --> 0:06:00.744 family shared a bit of a kiss. 0:06:00.864 --> 0:06:01.864 Yuck, yuck, yuck. 0:06:01.944 --> 0:06:04.904 It just made me feel very uncomfortable. Just sorry, I'm 0:06:05.504 --> 0:06:08.264 I'm all here for but the brother, especially my younger 0:06:08.264 --> 0:06:08.824 older brother. 0:06:09.064 --> 0:06:12.504 I get the Yeah, very clever man, but like, can 0:06:12.544 --> 0:06:14.304 we not just leave the incest out of it? 0:06:14.704 --> 0:06:18.304 Well, you can't change my mind about this, Laura. 0:06:18.184 --> 0:06:21.464 No, I'm not saying it's like a sexy thing at all. Again, 0:06:21.504 --> 0:06:23.584 two hot guys kissing that would have been quite hot. 0:06:23.784 --> 0:06:24.944 Two brothers kissing. 0:06:24.824 --> 0:06:27.664 One especially kind of underage were unclear. 0:06:27.664 --> 0:06:31.024 Yeah, like, well he's senior in high school, okay, under yeah, 0:06:31.144 --> 0:06:33.344 very young. Well, and also they're on drugs and they 0:06:33.424 --> 0:06:35.104 had a lot to drink, so they're sort of out 0:06:35.144 --> 0:06:37.304 of their minds. So it could have almost just been 0:06:37.304 --> 0:06:40.624 this weird thing where they kissed with drugs, and it 0:06:40.664 --> 0:06:42.464 would have just been like, oh, it was weird and gross. 0:06:42.504 --> 0:06:45.024 If it hadn't been for the underlying storyline that was 0:06:45.024 --> 0:06:46.944 set up in the first episode of the Younger Brother 0:06:47.024 --> 0:06:49.664 kind of looking at his brother naked in the bed, 0:06:49.704 --> 0:06:50.624 and it's interesting that. 0:06:50.664 --> 0:06:52.624 And sorry, I've been off my face with my sister 0:06:52.704 --> 0:06:55.104 plenty of times, not once of a thought yuck. 0:06:55.224 --> 0:06:58.184 I don't yuh yuck. Isn't that just the worst thing? Siblings? 0:06:58.224 --> 0:07:00.944 Is just something just the worst thing, the worst thing 0:07:01.424 --> 0:07:04.304 just to think about. But it's interesting because people have 0:07:04.344 --> 0:07:06.424 been saying too, like there's so many taboos that have 0:07:06.504 --> 0:07:09.184 come and gone through pop culture and everything's getting like 0:07:09.224 --> 0:07:11.504 a little bit dissensitied and being like, oh, yeah, we've 0:07:11.504 --> 0:07:13.824 seen movies like that before. So is incest that like 0:07:13.944 --> 0:07:16.864 the last food left that we can throw out there 0:07:16.904 --> 0:07:17.944 for like shocking TV. 0:07:18.784 --> 0:07:20.944 Maybe maybe that's what he's doing. I don't know. I'm 0:07:20.984 --> 0:07:21.744 just not here for it. 0:07:21.864 --> 0:07:23.784 But I also think, like, if that's all it is, 0:07:23.784 --> 0:07:25.224 like a bit of an off your face kiss, I 0:07:25.224 --> 0:07:27.304 don't think this would count as like a big talking 0:07:27.344 --> 0:07:30.664 point in pop culture for an incest storyline, true, because 0:07:30.664 --> 0:07:32.264 it's just more of a weird thing of these like 0:07:32.624 --> 0:07:36.424 brothers weird getting high and then wanting to impress these 0:07:36.464 --> 0:07:39.144 like older women who was like so clearly messing with them, 0:07:39.224 --> 0:07:42.064 and the power dynamic is so clearly the ball so 0:07:42.144 --> 0:07:44.864 clearly in their court that these brothers kind of who 0:07:44.864 --> 0:07:47.264 are these like rich, powerful white men from like a 0:07:47.304 --> 0:07:49.864 powerful family. I just being made to look a bit 0:07:49.904 --> 0:07:52.584 silly by these women who are being properly kid. Yeah. 0:07:52.864 --> 0:07:54.904 And also it might we don't know yet. I haven't 0:07:54.944 --> 0:07:56.864 watched any further than what's on TV at the moment, 0:07:57.144 --> 0:08:00.184 but it might spiral into a bit more of a 0:08:00.264 --> 0:08:03.144 ancestral storyline. But I didn't even like the older brother 0:08:03.224 --> 0:08:05.664 calling his younger sister hot and asking them to have sex. 0:08:05.704 --> 0:08:09.024 Like everything about that family gives meybeck except Piper. 0:08:09.104 --> 0:08:12.224 Now tell them she's fancasty. 0:08:12.504 --> 0:08:14.784 I'm sorry. The mom's the more normal one out. 0:08:15.344 --> 0:08:16.944 And no wonder with a family like that, she has 0:08:16.984 --> 0:08:17.784 to drug herself. 0:08:17.824 --> 0:08:20.304 So yeah, exactly, everyone's saying, like, oh, she's so wild. 0:08:20.304 --> 0:08:22.264 I'm like, I don't know. The husband is like stealing 0:08:22.304 --> 0:08:24.904 guns and like thinking about killing himself and stolen the money. 0:08:25.144 --> 0:08:28.544 Her three children have weird weirdly into each other, have a. 0:08:28.504 --> 0:08:30.864 Weird ancestral situation going on, and the mom. 0:08:30.784 --> 0:08:32.984 She's just worried about builderser. 0:08:32.464 --> 0:08:34.944 And she's just strucked up on holiday, the most one 0:08:34.984 --> 0:08:36.784 out of all of them. 0:08:37.624 --> 0:08:40.704 Now, one thing I didn't have on my algorithm bingo 0:08:40.784 --> 0:08:43.424 card for twenty twenty five was the f one. 0:08:43.424 --> 0:08:46.264 That just based on the weekend and I'm not alone. 0:08:46.664 --> 0:08:49.584 Formerly reserved for the car mad folk or possibly a 0:08:49.624 --> 0:08:53.744 few Daniel Ricardo fans. Social media was flooded with local 0:08:53.784 --> 0:08:57.104 celebs and influencers you generally wouldn't expect to associate with 0:08:57.184 --> 0:09:00.424 car racing, and A Paul was there, possibly feeling broke, 0:09:00.544 --> 0:09:05.744 can't confirm, Spice Girl, Melcy, Moana Hope, Curtis Stone, carry bigmore, 0:09:05.864 --> 0:09:10.264 the ronicas Alexandra Daddao, that chick from White Lotus Season. 0:09:09.984 --> 0:09:12.144 One, Beck Joe was there. I would have gone just 0:09:12.184 --> 0:09:12.584 for her. 0:09:12.584 --> 0:09:13.064 Oh my god. 0:09:13.064 --> 0:09:15.184 And right proper celebs yeah. 0:09:14.864 --> 0:09:18.864 Brooke Blotton, amongst plenty of others, including our very own 0:09:19.024 --> 0:09:21.544 m Vernon, who went as a guest of Shark Beauty. 0:09:21.944 --> 0:09:25.264 Now with any event when media and influencers are invited, well, 0:09:25.304 --> 0:09:27.664 I should say females because the cranky people on the 0:09:27.664 --> 0:09:30.744 internet don't seem to care about the blokes get into 0:09:30.824 --> 0:09:32.104 an uproar. 0:09:31.664 --> 0:09:35.304 About ah, these bunch of nobodies being invited. Why would 0:09:35.304 --> 0:09:38.704 you send this person never shown an interest. How about 0:09:38.744 --> 0:09:41.824 you send someone who would actually appreciate it. And I'm 0:09:41.904 --> 0:09:44.024 unsure if these people realize that for as long as 0:09:44.064 --> 0:09:48.304 events have been going, big companies have had corporate boxes 0:09:48.424 --> 0:09:51.184 or access because they're either a sponsor of the event 0:09:51.384 --> 0:09:54.624 or they're like a brand partner. So say, for example, 0:09:54.664 --> 0:09:56.704 I used to work at a big fashion company back 0:09:56.704 --> 0:09:59.344 in the day. We used to get a big corporate 0:09:59.384 --> 0:10:03.944 box access to pretty much every concert because we used 0:10:03.984 --> 0:10:06.704 Star Trek as one of our male partners, and they 0:10:06.744 --> 0:10:07.504 always had a box. 0:10:07.544 --> 0:10:09.224 They were like, use it as you will. 0:10:09.584 --> 0:10:11.984 So I don't think people people realize that that's actually very, 0:10:12.184 --> 0:10:15.744 very normal. And the finance bros have always been attending 0:10:15.784 --> 0:10:18.144 things like the concerts and tennis and the f one 0:10:18.224 --> 0:10:20.384 for free for years, and who knows if they care 0:10:20.424 --> 0:10:23.784 about it or not. But because all the shoulder rubbing 0:10:23.904 --> 0:10:27.984 and networking and booger sugar sniffing was going on behind 0:10:28.104 --> 0:10:31.624 the closed doors, no one got cranky about it. So, Laura, 0:10:31.704 --> 0:10:34.264 why do you think people get so upset about seeing 0:10:34.304 --> 0:10:36.304 people from social media at these events? 0:10:37.024 --> 0:10:39.184 I think that idea of if there's something that the 0:10:39.224 --> 0:10:41.504 public really want to go to and there's something they 0:10:41.504 --> 0:10:44.064 can't access because of money or they couldn't get tickets. 0:10:44.224 --> 0:10:47.184 There's this anger influencer culture of how come these people 0:10:47.224 --> 0:10:48.944 get to go? And I think because a lot of 0:10:48.984 --> 0:10:52.424 people still see some influencers as being unworthy, like oh, 0:10:52.464 --> 0:10:54.664 they just post a few photos and they do nothing. 0:10:54.944 --> 0:10:58.104 Whereas I think, especially in today's climate, to have like 0:10:58.184 --> 0:11:01.224 a successful influencer business, you have to be putting some 0:11:01.384 --> 0:11:02.744 work in, you know, like you just like you had 0:11:02.744 --> 0:11:04.584 back in the day people get famous fro approaching a 0:11:04.624 --> 0:11:07.584 bikini show hot, yeah exactly, but and like that's obviously 0:11:07.624 --> 0:11:09.824 still the case, like hotness will get you over the line, 0:11:09.944 --> 0:11:12.984 but with the algorithms and like the business structure, it's 0:11:13.024 --> 0:11:15.344 not really enough. There's an anger of people who are 0:11:15.424 --> 0:11:16.784 undeserving to be there. 0:11:16.944 --> 0:11:19.144 So it's because they can see it happening, rather than 0:11:19.184 --> 0:11:20.344 it all happening behind. 0:11:20.224 --> 0:11:22.344 Closes one hundred, because they can see it happening. And 0:11:22.344 --> 0:11:24.624 I think there's even been like a big pushback against 0:11:24.624 --> 0:11:27.624 things like influencer brand trips and some brands now saying 0:11:27.624 --> 0:11:29.184 we won't do them anymore. We're going to take our 0:11:29.224 --> 0:11:30.304 customers instead. 0:11:30.704 --> 0:11:33.384 Who's going to care about old mate, going no one, 0:11:33.704 --> 0:11:35.264 no thing is when you look at the return on 0:11:35.344 --> 0:11:38.704 investment from a marketing point of view, it's like, you 0:11:38.784 --> 0:11:44.384 can't just send Carol from Accounts to these big fancy events. 0:11:44.424 --> 0:11:46.584 Of course it's lovely, and of course it's a lovely 0:11:46.664 --> 0:11:49.944 brand story, but Carol from Accounts is going to tell 0:11:49.984 --> 0:11:52.344 her couple of friends about the brand. You've got an 0:11:52.344 --> 0:11:55.704 influencer that's got one hundred million of that wow wow wow, 0:11:55.824 --> 0:11:58.984 Oh that was blown out to proportion with one million 0:11:59.024 --> 0:12:01.744 followers all over the world that are now going to 0:12:01.744 --> 0:12:04.304 be talking about Shark Beauty or looking at Shark Beauty. 0:12:04.464 --> 0:12:06.184 And of course you've got the two people that go, well, 0:12:06.184 --> 0:12:09.464 I'm even shopping at Shark Beauty. If that's who they send, okay. 0:12:09.224 --> 0:12:11.544 Great, well don't There's an awful lot of people that 0:12:11.624 --> 0:12:13.904 have never heard of that brand that now have because 0:12:13.944 --> 0:12:16.544 they followed that person and that person went to the 0:12:16.544 --> 0:12:17.944 event that they're interested exactly. 0:12:18.024 --> 0:12:19.944 That's something where you can do brand building nowadays. 0:12:19.944 --> 0:12:22.264 Sometimes it's disgusting and ridiculous. 0:12:22.784 --> 0:12:24.664 But I think some businesses can make it work with 0:12:24.784 --> 0:12:27.304 taking customers on like a brand ship like Fate the 0:12:27.344 --> 0:12:30.464 label's done it very successfully. But that's different because there's 0:12:30.504 --> 0:12:33.664 not a lot of like plus size influences in that space. 0:12:33.704 --> 0:12:36.144 It's also if you're customers and then you see them 0:12:36.264 --> 0:12:38.744 their clothes, it's more of a grassroots whereas like a 0:12:38.784 --> 0:12:40.904 big brand needs people with big followers. 0:12:40.944 --> 0:12:42.944 I'm also going to argue against you there because the 0:12:42.984 --> 0:12:45.304 reason that that was so successful is because the owner 0:12:45.344 --> 0:12:48.224 is an influencer herself, so had a platform to tell 0:12:48.264 --> 0:12:50.864 everyone what she was doing. If you've got Nellie no 0:12:50.984 --> 0:12:53.224 name behind a brand, what's that going to do? 0:12:53.304 --> 0:12:54.264 You're going to. 0:12:54.224 --> 0:12:56.944 Be shouting about how good you are, Yeah, taking my customers, 0:12:56.944 --> 0:12:59.864 taking my regular people. You're going to be shouting about 0:12:59.864 --> 0:13:01.944 that to two people, your friends and family on the internet. 0:13:01.984 --> 0:13:04.624 But yeah, exactly. That's because their accounts are geared towards 0:13:04.664 --> 0:13:06.664 that sort of stuff. So when I'm seeing that content 0:13:06.664 --> 0:13:08.664 on their accounts, is giving me the content I want, 0:13:08.824 --> 0:13:11.744 whereas other beaoty brands, I'm might not be looking for 0:13:11.784 --> 0:13:14.064 that on their accounts. You're looking for these other people 0:13:14.064 --> 0:13:15.824 who were there. But I do feel like a lot 0:13:15.864 --> 0:13:18.584 of the brands who brought all these influences and famous 0:13:18.624 --> 0:13:21.104 people to this event over the weekend maybe did get 0:13:21.104 --> 0:13:23.624 a good return on their investment because they weren't there 0:13:23.664 --> 0:13:25.864 to promote the f one, like the tickets already sold out, 0:13:25.864 --> 0:13:27.824 like exactly, you couldn't go by the one. 0:13:27.864 --> 0:13:30.704 It doesn't need any more marketing from how many they were. 0:13:30.584 --> 0:13:32.464 There trying to sell their different brands, so like what 0:13:32.504 --> 0:13:34.464 people were wearing, the makeup they were using, the drinks 0:13:34.504 --> 0:13:36.424 they were holding. And I think that's why too, where 0:13:36.464 --> 0:13:38.384 you see a lot of people get very angry at 0:13:38.424 --> 0:13:41.544 influencers or famous people or podcast hosts who go to 0:13:41.624 --> 0:13:44.464 events like the Tailor Swift concert. So many different people 0:13:44.544 --> 0:13:47.104 were invited, like famous people in Australia were invited to 0:13:47.344 --> 0:13:50.664 watch that, and I saw so much anger over these 0:13:50.704 --> 0:13:53.824 famous celebrities, people with influence who could have afforded tickets. 0:13:53.904 --> 0:13:55.904 How dare they get invited? I think a lot of 0:13:55.944 --> 0:13:57.944 people in fearing that Taylor Swift had something to do 0:13:58.024 --> 0:14:00.144 with it, and how dared Taylor Swift use them to 0:14:00.184 --> 0:14:02.584 promote her concerts? And on that note, I was like, 0:14:02.584 --> 0:14:04.744 you don't get review tickets for Taylor Swift. I had 0:14:04.784 --> 0:14:06.744 so many people message me like friends I haven't seen 0:14:06.784 --> 0:14:08.904 for years, can you get a tickets? 0:14:08.904 --> 0:14:10.024 And you're like, are you serious. 0:14:10.344 --> 0:14:12.184 I was like, I didn't get review tickets. I bought 0:14:12.184 --> 0:14:14.664 my own because Taylorfift doesn't need to give media tickets 0:14:14.704 --> 0:14:17.064 to people. So the only people who got invited were 0:14:17.064 --> 0:14:19.544 invited by brands who had like bought boxes. 0:14:19.224 --> 0:14:22.304 And stuff and want to build relationships with different media 0:14:22.304 --> 0:14:26.624 are different influencers. Because, unfortunately, hate to say it, but 0:14:26.704 --> 0:14:29.984 if there's two really good blush brands and they're both 0:14:30.024 --> 0:14:33.184 equally as amazing, if you've gone to Taylor Swift with 0:14:33.224 --> 0:14:35.704 one blush brand, they're always going to be top of mind? 0:14:36.184 --> 0:14:38.144 Is that right? Maybe not, but it's just the way 0:14:38.184 --> 0:14:39.544 business works, unfortunately. 0:14:41.384 --> 0:14:43.824 Well, from a bunch of influencers to someone who is 0:14:43.944 --> 0:14:47.264 cosplaying as an influencer, even though she could have taken 0:14:47.304 --> 0:14:51.384 things in a very different direction, Megan Markle's new business venture. 0:14:51.464 --> 0:14:54.504 She is actually I've never thought about it like that. 0:14:54.544 --> 0:14:56.424 She is cosplaying as an influencer. 0:14:56.584 --> 0:14:59.944 Everything she's doing is textbook influencer, but from about a 0:15:00.104 --> 0:15:02.664 decade ago. Yeah, I want to say, but anyway, we're 0:15:02.704 --> 0:15:04.424 not ragging on her at all. Guys, if you listen 0:15:04.464 --> 0:15:06.744 to like the five podcasts that we well, it might 0:15:06.784 --> 0:15:08.544 go that way. If we listen to the five podcasts. 0:15:08.544 --> 0:15:10.744 We've done her recently, but very pro make and marcle 0:15:10.824 --> 0:15:15.184 on this podcast. So recently, after all the buzz around 0:15:15.224 --> 0:15:17.504 her Netflix show had died down a little bit and 0:15:17.544 --> 0:15:20.504 she'd announced that season two was coming out, she then 0:15:20.664 --> 0:15:24.024 posted about her next business venture on her Instagram account. 0:15:24.464 --> 0:15:27.944 And she's very busy. She doesn't just repackage pretzels. 0:15:28.024 --> 0:15:30.504 No, she's got a lot going on, whole business venture. 0:15:30.784 --> 0:15:33.624 So she said that she is releasing her next podcast, 0:15:33.624 --> 0:15:36.864 which is called Confessions of a Female Founder, and the 0:15:36.904 --> 0:15:39.864 first episode's going to drop on April eight, and she 0:15:39.984 --> 0:15:43.064 said it's about having candid conversations with amazing women who 0:15:43.104 --> 0:15:46.904 have turned dreams into realities and scaled small ideas into 0:15:46.984 --> 0:15:48.704 massively successful businesses. 0:15:49.064 --> 0:15:52.784 Groundbreaking, Yes, and they're going to go onto I've never 0:15:52.824 --> 0:15:53.904 heard anything like it. 0:15:54.664 --> 0:15:57.424 Yeah, Okay, that's the thing. So obviously anything that Megan 0:15:57.504 --> 0:15:59.864 Markel announces is going to be hit with like a 0:15:59.864 --> 0:16:04.424 lot of criticism or thought or critique anything like that. 0:16:04.504 --> 0:16:06.664 So the fact that people I think were like up 0:16:06.664 --> 0:16:10.064 at arms about this was to be expected. But I 0:16:10.104 --> 0:16:12.184 feel a lot of people had your reaction, like your 0:16:12.304 --> 0:16:14.384 very vistaal reaction of like what is she doing? 0:16:14.744 --> 0:16:17.304 That is not a new concept, no at all. 0:16:17.624 --> 0:16:19.344 How it was a new concept though. 0:16:19.464 --> 0:16:19.864 Yeah. 0:16:19.984 --> 0:16:22.184 The reason I had such a visual reaction was didn't 0:16:22.944 --> 0:16:26.064 her last podcast get canned because no one was listening 0:16:26.064 --> 0:16:26.384 to it? 0:16:26.744 --> 0:16:29.304 Yeah? So she and Harry signed that huge deal with 0:16:29.384 --> 0:16:32.024 Spotify and then she and Harry did that podcast together. 0:16:32.304 --> 0:16:34.744 It was a very funny little inside thing. 0:16:34.944 --> 0:16:38.344 A lot of like Aussie podcasts got cut from Spotify 0:16:38.584 --> 0:16:42.744 because they didn't have any budget left because of this 0:16:42.904 --> 0:16:43.624 giant deal. 0:16:43.704 --> 0:16:46.864 That Absolutely they threw it investment. 0:16:47.104 --> 0:16:48.704 They threw it at Megan and Harry, they threw it 0:16:48.744 --> 0:16:50.624 at call Her Daddy. They threw it, They went through it, 0:16:52.744 --> 0:16:54.064 and then they went, oh shit, we have no more 0:16:54.064 --> 0:16:56.864 money to give other people. So yeah, with Harry Meghan. 0:16:56.904 --> 0:16:58.784 So they released that first podcast together. But it was 0:16:58.824 --> 0:17:00.704 so weird because it was such a long podcast and 0:17:00.864 --> 0:17:03.304 like fifteen guests on. They were like, here's this person, 0:17:03.304 --> 0:17:05.584 and here's Barack Obama and here's this and I'm like, guys, 0:17:05.904 --> 0:17:07.624 did no one of the planning meetings say this could 0:17:07.624 --> 0:17:10.784 have been like fifteen little podcasts? And then they didn't 0:17:10.784 --> 0:17:12.904 follow that up. And then she did do a full 0:17:12.944 --> 0:17:16.544 season of her podcast Archetypes, and it was okay, but. 0:17:16.624 --> 0:17:18.464 She didn't realize that she had two different ones. 0:17:18.504 --> 0:17:20.104 Yeah, yeah, two different one. So she and Harry did 0:17:20.104 --> 0:17:22.624 one together that was kind of just peeded out, and 0:17:22.664 --> 0:17:25.024 then she did a full season of Archetypes. So and 0:17:25.064 --> 0:17:27.984 she had like really interesting guests on, like Mariah Carey 0:17:28.024 --> 0:17:30.384 and de Kaling and other non famous people as well, 0:17:30.704 --> 0:17:34.864