Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
Speaker 2: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Speaker 2: Brodnick and joining me on this interesting looking orange couch.
Speaker 3: Is Kelly mccaren, usually over on the beauty podcast You Beauty.
Speaker 3: I'm joining the Lovely Laura today to discuss all things celebrity.
Speaker 1: Well in sports. Funnily enough, oh.
Speaker 2: Yes, sports, celebrity penises. We're getting into all of it Todayre's.
Speaker 1: A myriad of topics.
Speaker 3: We've already been discussing nitball and yeah, we're going about
Speaker 3: to get into it.
Speaker 2: Hole exactly what I feel like this couch, which I
Speaker 2: should say we are not now pod studio today because
Speaker 2: the aircorne's broken and someone was very dramatic and so
Speaker 2: they were going to die. That was definitely was absolutely
Speaker 2: I think that's actually a fair call. I don't do
Speaker 2: well in heat. That's why I left North Queensland. So
Speaker 2: we've stolen mea Friedman's office. I just feel like I'm
Speaker 2: on this couch.
Speaker 3: Well, it's very like I'm sitting cross legs leaning like
Speaker 3: this is a comfortable chair.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to have a little DNM, have a
Speaker 2: little counseling session. By the end of this, I'll probably
Speaker 2: closer to the floor because I find during these episodes
Speaker 2: I just kind of slink down.
Speaker 1: I won't move.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good to know, which is kind of good
Speaker 2: because we've got some very interesting stuff to discuss today,
Speaker 2: so I feel like the couch setup is good. We
Speaker 2: are going to talk about Megan Markle's newest business venture.
Speaker 2: I think we'll have very different views on that, and
Speaker 2: I think there's a bit of a theory as to
Speaker 2: why she's going in this direction that's making people very upset.
Speaker 2: And then you have a hot take on a very
Speaker 2: big event. Yeah, I don't know the sports side of it,
Speaker 2: a very big event that happened in Australia the last
Speaker 2: couple of days. All the famous people were there and
Speaker 2: we have a few opinions on who gets to go
Speaker 2: to those events. But first pinis yes, suns up. So
Speaker 2: White Lotus where midway about I think through season three
Speaker 2: of The White Lotus and they're are really slow. It
Speaker 2: is a slow which is kind of what I think
Speaker 2: is very interesting about is that a lot of critics
Speaker 2: in particular saying that this has been quite a slow
Speaker 2: and uneventful season, and to an extent, yes, like there's
Speaker 2: lots of little talking points around it, and I think
Speaker 2: the performances in particular are very good this season. But
Speaker 2: we're kind of midway through the season now and there
Speaker 2: haven't really been a lot of plot twists, scandals. It
Speaker 2: just feels like it's moving in a very kind of
Speaker 2: slow hyper n yeah, yeah, little, there's little like viral
Speaker 2: moments like that, And the last two episodes things seem
Speaker 2: to have kicked up a little bit, and I wonder
Speaker 2: if that's because so far it's been a bit of
Speaker 2: like a sexless season in how each season is meant
Speaker 2: to be like one of the seven Deadly Sins.
Speaker 1: Okay, what was number one then? But it was the
Speaker 1: first season.
Speaker 2: So the first season was hooked on greed and then
Speaker 2: we've got lost and then this one is gluty. I
Speaker 2: thought so that, yes, yes, you call that, which I
Speaker 2: don't know what it says about me that the second
Speaker 2: season is just by faith but lusty people like to
Speaker 2: watch sex, yeah, sexy thing, yes we do. And so
Speaker 2: this season wasn't meant to be as much about that.
Speaker 2: But there's been like a few little moments that have
Speaker 2: become very viral, and one of those is, oh, you
Speaker 2: didn't like the penis scene from last weekend?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I did like that one. Gosh, sorry, it
Speaker 1: wasn't nice, Staddy.
Speaker 2: Oh, it wasn't even meant to be like a big
Speaker 2: old slung It wasn't even with that word. And then
Speaker 2: Harry pottered two things you don't normally hear together. It
Speaker 2: wasn't even meant to be like a big plot twist
Speaker 2: or a sexy moment or anything like that. Like it's
Speaker 2: literally because he's so like drugged out of his mind
Speaker 2: because of all the money he's stolen and beezzled that
Speaker 2: Jason Isaac's character Tim Ratliffe didn't close his robu. But
Speaker 2: I think it was meant to be like a shocking
Speaker 2: moment for the audience in terms of like I think
Speaker 2: like White kind of weeves those little moments through the show.
Speaker 2: So you have those moments that kind of jilt you
Speaker 2: out of the storyline.
Speaker 3: Yes, but you also know that it's coming or you
Speaker 3: feel uncomfortable because you feel like you think you know
Speaker 3: it's coming. Yeah, like every time the rope kept getting
Speaker 3: that little bit high. I was watching, going, my god,
Speaker 3: cover yourself, like your children are right there.
Speaker 2: I know, and they're already knowing from the first time
Speaker 2: we saw them as the incest family, and that I
Speaker 2: didn't even come to the second episode. Really, they're already
Speaker 2: known as the incest family, so it was interesting to
Speaker 2: do it there. What I also thought was interesting about
Speaker 2: that scene is that Jason Isaacs, who plays that character,
Speaker 2: did a lot of media the next day to talk
Speaker 2: about it. We'll talk about the show, but that's obviously why. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So when he was being asked on all the talk
Speaker 2: shows that he went on, he said, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to talk about that, and I think there's a.
Speaker 1: Humory Adam Daimos or whatever his name is.
Speaker 2: Second yea, yeah, he said, I'm not going to talk
Speaker 2: about that because I think it's a wild double standard
Speaker 2: that women don't have to talk about how they do
Speaker 2: their sex scenes. And first of all, they absolutely do.
Speaker 2: But he talks about Mikey Madison from Anora, and he said,
Speaker 2: no one's asking Mikey Madison to explain her volver, so
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have to explain my penis.
Speaker 1: Are you a fake vulver, yes or not.
Speaker 2: You see her volver in the movie like that, you
Speaker 2: see her boobs and you see other things, but there's
Speaker 2: no full front of the volp.
Speaker 3: We've lived a very long few decades, longer through misogyny
Speaker 3: and sexism. Yeah, we're allowed to have our moment.
Speaker 2: But also, if you did see a full shot of
Speaker 2: Mikey Madison's vulver in an she would be asked about that, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: But you saw her boobs. They looked very real, So
Speaker 2: that wasn't a conversation. So Jason Isaacs was very much like,
Speaker 2: I'm an actor, do not ask me about my craft.
Speaker 2: But he didn't pass that along to Jesus. But he
Speaker 2: didn't pass those tidbits along to his TV children because
Speaker 2: then they did interviews when we are asked about it,
Speaker 2: and they all said, oh, yeah, that was a prosthetic.
Speaker 2: Like Sam Navola, who plays Lockie, was like, yeah, he
Speaker 2: was really proud of the prosthetic, Like it was really funny.
Speaker 2: On the day, we all kept laughing about it, whacking
Speaker 2: each other. Yeah, So obviously they didn't pass the memo
Speaker 2: on that it was meant to be this mysterious thing.
Speaker 2: You weren't meant to talk about, so that's become one
Speaker 2: of the big talking points. And then last night's episode,
Speaker 2: this is very spoiler like people like it's everywhere today.
Speaker 2: It's not like a big plot twist or anything like that,
Speaker 2: was that the two brothers from that same incestuous little
Speaker 2: family shared a bit of a kiss.
Speaker 1: Yuck, yuck, yuck.
Speaker 2: It just made me feel very uncomfortable. Just sorry, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm all here for but the brother, especially my younger
Speaker 2: older brother.
Speaker 3: I get the Yeah, very clever man, but like, can
Speaker 3: we not just leave the incest out of it?
Speaker 1: Well, you can't change my mind about this, Laura.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying it's like a sexy thing at all. Again,
Speaker 2: two hot guys kissing that would have been quite hot.
Speaker 2: Two brothers kissing.
Speaker 1: One especially kind of underage were unclear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, well he's senior in high school, okay, under yeah,
Speaker 2: very young. Well, and also they're on drugs and they
Speaker 2: had a lot to drink, so they're sort of out
Speaker 2: of their minds. So it could have almost just been
Speaker 2: this weird thing where they kissed with drugs, and it
Speaker 2: would have just been like, oh, it was weird and gross.
Speaker 2: If it hadn't been for the underlying storyline that was
Speaker 2: set up in the first episode of the Younger Brother
Speaker 2: kind of looking at his brother naked in the bed,
Speaker 2: and it's interesting that.
Speaker 3: And sorry, I've been off my face with my sister
Speaker 3: plenty of times, not once of a thought yuck.
Speaker 2: I don't yuh yuck. Isn't that just the worst thing? Siblings?
Speaker 2: Is just something just the worst thing, the worst thing
Speaker 2: just to think about. But it's interesting because people have
Speaker 2: been saying too, like there's so many taboos that have
Speaker 2: come and gone through pop culture and everything's getting like
Speaker 2: a little bit dissensitied and being like, oh, yeah, we've
Speaker 2: seen movies like that before. So is incest that like
Speaker 2: the last food left that we can throw out there
Speaker 2: for like shocking TV.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's what he's doing. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: just not here for it.
Speaker 2: But I also think, like, if that's all it is,
Speaker 2: like a bit of an off your face kiss, I
Speaker 2: don't think this would count as like a big talking
Speaker 2: point in pop culture for an incest storyline, true, because
Speaker 2: it's just more of a weird thing of these like
Speaker 2: brothers weird getting high and then wanting to impress these
Speaker 2: like older women who was like so clearly messing with them,
Speaker 2: and the power dynamic is so clearly the ball so
Speaker 2: clearly in their court that these brothers kind of who
Speaker 2: are these like rich, powerful white men from like a
Speaker 2: powerful family. I just being made to look a bit
Speaker 2: silly by these women who are being properly kid. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also it might we don't know yet. I haven't
Speaker 2: watched any further than what's on TV at the moment,
Speaker 2: but it might spiral into a bit more of a
Speaker 2: ancestral storyline. But I didn't even like the older brother
Speaker 2: calling his younger sister hot and asking them to have sex.
Speaker 2: Like everything about that family gives meybeck except Piper.
Speaker 1: Now tell them she's fancasty.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. The mom's the more normal one out.
Speaker 1: And no wonder with a family like that, she has
Speaker 1: to drug herself.
Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly, everyone's saying, like, oh, she's so wild.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know. The husband is like stealing
Speaker 2: guns and like thinking about killing himself and stolen the money.
Speaker 1: Her three children have weird weirdly into each other, have a.
Speaker 2: Weird ancestral situation going on, and the mom.
Speaker 1: She's just worried about builderser.
Speaker 2: And she's just strucked up on holiday, the most one
Speaker 2: out of all of them.
Speaker 3: Now, one thing I didn't have on my algorithm bingo
Speaker 3: card for twenty twenty five was the f one.
Speaker 1: That just based on the weekend and I'm not alone.
Speaker 3: Formerly reserved for the car mad folk or possibly a
Speaker 3: few Daniel Ricardo fans. Social media was flooded with local
Speaker 3: celebs and influencers you generally wouldn't expect to associate with
Speaker 3: car racing, and A Paul was there, possibly feeling broke,
Speaker 3: can't confirm, Spice Girl, Melcy, Moana Hope, Curtis Stone, carry bigmore,
Speaker 3: the ronicas Alexandra Daddao, that chick from White Lotus Season.
Speaker 2: One, Beck Joe was there. I would have gone just
Speaker 2: for her.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And right proper celebs yeah.
Speaker 1: Brooke Blotton, amongst plenty of others, including our very own
Speaker 1: m Vernon, who went as a guest of Shark Beauty.
Speaker 1: Now with any event when media and influencers are invited, well,
Speaker 1: I should say females because the cranky people on the
Speaker 1: internet don't seem to care about the blokes get into
Speaker 1: an uproar.
Speaker 4: About ah, these bunch of nobodies being invited. Why would
Speaker 4: you send this person never shown an interest. How about
Speaker 4: you send someone who would actually appreciate it. And I'm
Speaker 4: unsure if these people realize that for as long as
Speaker 4: events have been going, big companies have had corporate boxes
Speaker 4: or access because they're either a sponsor of the event
Speaker 4: or they're like a brand partner. So say, for example,
Speaker 4: I used to work at a big fashion company back
Speaker 4: in the day. We used to get a big corporate
Speaker 4: box access to pretty much every concert because we used
Speaker 4: Star Trek as one of our male partners, and they
Speaker 4: always had a box.
Speaker 1: They were like, use it as you will.
Speaker 3: So I don't think people people realize that that's actually very,
Speaker 3: very normal. And the finance bros have always been attending
Speaker 3: things like the concerts and tennis and the f one
Speaker 3: for free for years, and who knows if they care
Speaker 3: about it or not. But because all the shoulder rubbing
Speaker 3: and networking and booger sugar sniffing was going on behind
Speaker 3: the closed doors, no one got cranky about it. So, Laura,
Speaker 3: why do you think people get so upset about seeing
Speaker 3: people from social media at these events?
Speaker 2: I think that idea of if there's something that the
Speaker 2: public really want to go to and there's something they
Speaker 2: can't access because of money or they couldn't get tickets.
Speaker 2: There's this anger influencer culture of how come these people
Speaker 2: get to go? And I think because a lot of
Speaker 2: people still see some influencers as being unworthy, like oh,
Speaker 2: they just post a few photos and they do nothing.
Speaker 2: Whereas I think, especially in today's climate, to have like
Speaker 2: a successful influencer business, you have to be putting some
Speaker 2: work in, you know, like you just like you had
Speaker 2: back in the day people get famous fro approaching a
Speaker 2: bikini show hot, yeah exactly, but and like that's obviously
Speaker 2: still the case, like hotness will get you over the line,
Speaker 2: but with the algorithms and like the business structure, it's
Speaker 2: not really enough. There's an anger of people who are
Speaker 2: undeserving to be there.
Speaker 3: So it's because they can see it happening, rather than
Speaker 3: it all happening behind.
Speaker 2: Closes one hundred, because they can see it happening. And
Speaker 2: I think there's even been like a big pushback against
Speaker 2: things like influencer brand trips and some brands now saying
Speaker 2: we won't do them anymore. We're going to take our
Speaker 2: customers instead.
Speaker 3: Who's going to care about old mate, going no one,
Speaker 3: no thing is when you look at the return on
Speaker 3: investment from a marketing point of view, it's like, you
Speaker 3: can't just send Carol from Accounts to these big fancy events.
Speaker 3: Of course it's lovely, and of course it's a lovely
Speaker 3: brand story, but Carol from Accounts is going to tell
Speaker 3: her couple of friends about the brand. You've got an
Speaker 3: influencer that's got one hundred million of that wow wow wow,
Speaker 3: Oh that was blown out to proportion with one million
Speaker 3: followers all over the world that are now going to
Speaker 3: be talking about Shark Beauty or looking at Shark Beauty.
Speaker 4: And of course you've got the two people that go, well,
Speaker 4: I'm even shopping at Shark Beauty. If that's who they send, okay.
Speaker 3: Great, well don't There's an awful lot of people that
Speaker 3: have never heard of that brand that now have because
Speaker 3: they followed that person and that person went to the
Speaker 3: event that they're interested exactly.
Speaker 2: That's something where you can do brand building nowadays.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's disgusting and ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But I think some businesses can make it work with
Speaker 2: taking customers on like a brand ship like Fate the
Speaker 2: label's done it very successfully. But that's different because there's
Speaker 2: not a lot of like plus size influences in that space.
Speaker 2: It's also if you're customers and then you see them
Speaker 2: their clothes, it's more of a grassroots whereas like a
Speaker 2: big brand needs people with big followers.
Speaker 3: I'm also going to argue against you there because the
Speaker 3: reason that that was so successful is because the owner
Speaker 3: is an influencer herself, so had a platform to tell
Speaker 3: everyone what she was doing. If you've got Nellie no
Speaker 3: name behind a brand, what's that going to do?
Speaker 1: You're going to.
Speaker 3: Be shouting about how good you are, Yeah, taking my customers,
Speaker 3: taking my regular people. You're going to be shouting about
Speaker 3: that to two people, your friends and family on the internet.
Speaker 2: But yeah, exactly. That's because their accounts are geared towards
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. So when I'm seeing that content
Speaker 2: on their accounts, is giving me the content I want,
Speaker 2: whereas other beaoty brands, I'm might not be looking for
Speaker 2: that on their accounts. You're looking for these other people
Speaker 2: who were there. But I do feel like a lot
Speaker 2: of the brands who brought all these influences and famous
Speaker 2: people to this event over the weekend maybe did get
Speaker 2: a good return on their investment because they weren't there
Speaker 2: to promote the f one, like the tickets already sold out,
Speaker 2: like exactly, you couldn't go by the one.
Speaker 1: It doesn't need any more marketing from how many they were.
Speaker 2: There trying to sell their different brands, so like what
Speaker 2: people were wearing, the makeup they were using, the drinks
Speaker 2: they were holding. And I think that's why too, where
Speaker 2: you see a lot of people get very angry at
Speaker 2: influencers or famous people or podcast hosts who go to
Speaker 2: events like the Tailor Swift concert. So many different people
Speaker 2: were invited, like famous people in Australia were invited to
Speaker 2: watch that, and I saw so much anger over these
Speaker 2: famous celebrities, people with influence who could have afforded tickets.
Speaker 2: How dare they get invited? I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people in fearing that Taylor Swift had something to do
Speaker 2: with it, and how dared Taylor Swift use them to
Speaker 2: promote her concerts? And on that note, I was like,
Speaker 2: you don't get review tickets for Taylor Swift. I had
Speaker 2: so many people message me like friends I haven't seen
Speaker 2: for years, can you get a tickets?
Speaker 1: And you're like, are you serious.
Speaker 2: I was like, I didn't get review tickets. I bought
Speaker 2: my own because Taylorfift doesn't need to give media tickets
Speaker 2: to people. So the only people who got invited were
Speaker 2: invited by brands who had like bought boxes.
Speaker 3: And stuff and want to build relationships with different media
Speaker 3: are different influencers. Because, unfortunately, hate to say it, but
Speaker 3: if there's two really good blush brands and they're both
Speaker 3: equally as amazing, if you've gone to Taylor Swift with
Speaker 3: one blush brand, they're always going to be top of mind?
Speaker 1: Is that right? Maybe not, but it's just the way
Speaker 1: business works, unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Well, from a bunch of influencers to someone who is
Speaker 2: cosplaying as an influencer, even though she could have taken
Speaker 2: things in a very different direction, Megan Markle's new business venture.
Speaker 3: She is actually I've never thought about it like that.
Speaker 3: She is cosplaying as an influencer.
Speaker 2: Everything she's doing is textbook influencer, but from about a
Speaker 2: decade ago. Yeah, I want to say, but anyway, we're
Speaker 2: not ragging on her at all. Guys, if you listen
Speaker 2: to like the five podcasts that we well, it might
Speaker 2: go that way. If we listen to the five podcasts.
Speaker 2: We've done her recently, but very pro make and marcle
Speaker 2: on this podcast. So recently, after all the buzz around
Speaker 2: her Netflix show had died down a little bit and
Speaker 2: she'd announced that season two was coming out, she then
Speaker 2: posted about her next business venture on her Instagram account.
Speaker 1: And she's very busy. She doesn't just repackage pretzels.
Speaker 2: No, she's got a lot going on, whole business venture.
Speaker 2: So she said that she is releasing her next podcast,
Speaker 2: which is called Confessions of a Female Founder, and the
Speaker 2: first episode's going to drop on April eight, and she
Speaker 2: said it's about having candid conversations with amazing women who
Speaker 2: have turned dreams into realities and scaled small ideas into
Speaker 2: massively successful businesses.
Speaker 3: Groundbreaking, Yes, and they're going to go onto I've never
Speaker 3: heard anything like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, that's the thing. So obviously anything that Megan
Speaker 2: Markel announces is going to be hit with like a
Speaker 2: lot of criticism or thought or critique anything like that.
Speaker 2: So the fact that people I think were like up
Speaker 2: at arms about this was to be expected. But I
Speaker 2: feel a lot of people had your reaction, like your
Speaker 2: very vistaal reaction of like what is she doing?
Speaker 1: That is not a new concept, no at all.
Speaker 2: How it was a new concept though.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The reason I had such a visual reaction was didn't
Speaker 3: her last podcast get canned because no one was listening
Speaker 3: to it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So she and Harry signed that huge deal with
Speaker 2: Spotify and then she and Harry did that podcast together.
Speaker 1: It was a very funny little inside thing.
Speaker 3: A lot of like Aussie podcasts got cut from Spotify
Speaker 3: because they didn't have any budget left because of this
Speaker 3: giant deal.
Speaker 1: That Absolutely they threw it investment.
Speaker 2: They threw it at Megan and Harry, they threw it
Speaker 2: at call Her Daddy. They threw it, They went through it,
Speaker 2: and then they went, oh shit, we have no more
Speaker 2: money to give other people. So yeah, with Harry Meghan.
Speaker 2: So they released that first podcast together. But it was
Speaker 2: so weird because it was such a long podcast and
Speaker 2: like fifteen guests on. They were like, here's this person,
Speaker 2: and here's Barack Obama and here's this and I'm like, guys,
Speaker 2: did no one of the planning meetings say this could
Speaker 2: have been like fifteen little podcasts? And then they didn't
Speaker 2: follow that up. And then she did do a full
Speaker 2: season of her podcast Archetypes, and it was okay, but.
Speaker 1: She didn't realize that she had two different ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, two different one. So she and Harry did
Speaker 2: one together that was kind of just peeded out, and
Speaker 2: then she did a full season of Archetypes. So and
Speaker 2: she had like really interesting guests on, like Mariah Carey
Speaker 2: and de Kaling and other non famous people as well,
Speaker 2: but she didn't really seem to understand the concept of
Speaker 2: what was going on. So her questions and her like
Speaker 2: line of interviewing like wasn't great. And some podcasts were great,
Speaker 2: like the Mindy Kaling one was great, but because Mindy
Speaker 2: Kaling was great, And then it came out.
Speaker 1: After Kaling would be good on any podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And so it came out later that some
Speaker 2: of the producers on the show had gone and done
Speaker 2: different interviews and they had dubbed Megan's voice over it,
Speaker 2: which is not uncommon. Oky take a number of celebrity junkets.
Speaker 2: I've been out where I'm talking to someone in the
Speaker 2: waiting room and I am like, oh, hi, like I'm Laura,
Speaker 2: and I see at you because I'm like, who is
Speaker 2: this person who's going into this interview? I never met
Speaker 2: them before, And they'll say oh, I'm the producer for
Speaker 2: such and such A won't say which ones, and when
Speaker 2: we play this interview tonight, will dub the radio host
Speaker 2: name over it, so it gets done a lot. It's
Speaker 2: not just Megan.
Speaker 1: I did not know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have to tell you later.
Speaker 1: I'm so gullible.
Speaker 2: They just dubbed their questions over. I guess if it's
Speaker 2: for radio or podcasts or something, you can do that.
Speaker 1: But I would want to go meet the person myself.
Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe, I.
Speaker 2: Guess sometimes it's a scheduling conflict. So she got a
Speaker 2: lot of hate for that. And then when they parted
Speaker 2: ways was Spotify. There was that whole thing of one
Speaker 2: of the guys who was like a higher up at
Speaker 2: Spotify saying there were grifters. I think that was like
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why people in that moment hated
Speaker 2: them so much. But I can understand from Megan Markle's
Speaker 2: perspective why she's doing this podcast, though as bland as
Speaker 2: it sounds.
Speaker 1: I obviously just won't listen to it.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go roast her and listen to
Speaker 3: it and then leave a nasty review or anything.
Speaker 1: I think if you don't want to listen to it,
Speaker 1: don't listen.
Speaker 2: To Well, that's the thing too, with all these people
Speaker 2: who are so angry about Meghan Markle, and I understand that, Like,
Speaker 2: it can be hard when she's really in the media.
Speaker 2: She is everywhere, Like it's really hard to avoid her.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you can just not watch
Speaker 2: her show and listen to her podcast. Yes, you can't
Speaker 2: escape her, but you can dilute the noise you want.
Speaker 3: To Absolutely Ken so earlier when you said that you
Speaker 3: wanted to talk about Meghan, mart I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: but the thing is, is it I just fast forward
Speaker 3: through segments about the royals. I think that hating or
Speaker 3: loving anyone that's in the royal family is quite friend
Speaker 3: Like it's a weird social parasocial relationship to either love
Speaker 3: or hate them.
Speaker 1: Like I just simply don't care. I find them boring.
Speaker 3: I find all of that sort of perfect content that
Speaker 3: I've heard about, even though I've tried to avoid it,
Speaker 3: very boring.
Speaker 1: So I would just avoid it. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go leave for review and send Netflix a message saying,
Speaker 1: oh that was terrible.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, that's definitely a much nicer way to
Speaker 2: be than just to hate watch something. But I think
Speaker 2: also with Megan Mikael is just that I think she's very,
Speaker 2: very aware of just how polarizing she is at the moment,
Speaker 2: even though there was a burst of good will towards
Speaker 2: her and Harry after their first Netflix documentary, because it's
Speaker 2: show the intensity of what had happened then behind the
Speaker 2: scenes and then over the time. As it's a very good
Speaker 2: documentary to be fair, like, it's obviously on very on
Speaker 2: their side, but it's interesting to see their perspective on
Speaker 2: this kind of global event that happened with like the
Speaker 2: royal family tearing apart from the inside. But I think
Speaker 2: also then there was all this stuff that came out
Speaker 2: around you know, them being terrible to people who worked
Speaker 2: them and their business is failing, and then the tide
Speaker 2: kind of turned against them. So now that Megan so
Speaker 2: clearly wants to be in the public life, like she
Speaker 2: really wants to be in the spotlight, which is fair enough.
Speaker 2: She was an actress and you know, she married a prince,
Speaker 2: so it's not unthinkable that she would want to be
Speaker 2: in the spotlight. But I think she's very unsure about
Speaker 2: how to go about it now because of the hatred
Speaker 2: against her, and because of that, she has reverted back
Speaker 2: to something that in the sace she knows works with her,
Speaker 2: which is twenty fifteen or even earlier than that Girl
Speaker 2: Boss early days of Instagram kind of wave yeah that
Speaker 2: and people keep saying like, she just looks so out
Speaker 2: of touch, and I was like, no, no, but she's.
Speaker 3: Reverting back to a safe space or so do you
Speaker 3: think any celebrity is in touch. No, they're just really
Speaker 3: good at cosplaying being your regular person.
Speaker 1: If you think that they are in touch.
Speaker 2: Exactly, I think she's just like someone in her head
Speaker 2: or someone on her team has been. Like back in
Speaker 2: this time of Instagram and that girl Boss culture, there
Speaker 2: was a very clear set of rules that women in
Speaker 2: the public eye could follow that kept them safe from ridicule.
Speaker 2: It's obviously not the case now, but back then it
Speaker 2: was like you could post these really bland, aesthetic pictures
Speaker 2: and people would really love your content because it was
Speaker 2: just meant to be visual. You could talk about like
Speaker 2: calmness and loving yourself and the importance of family and
Speaker 2: show this a really beautiful, rich life and no one
Speaker 2: was calling you out because your life was unattainable, like
Speaker 2: we want it unattainable.
Speaker 1: I think that a huge portion of the population still does, though.
Speaker 3: I think that it's just everyone that hates them is
Speaker 3: so noisy, like just be quiet. Like look at Nara Smith,
Speaker 3: how many followers to share on TikTok. Her whole shtick
Speaker 3: is about attainable aesthetic, very old school, kind of tried
Speaker 3: wife stuff.
Speaker 1: So if that's what Megan is doing, it's full of
Speaker 1: the middle Americans. But that's what they like, Let them
Speaker 1: be happy.
Speaker 2: And yeah, but I think with Nara Smith, she's aware
Speaker 2: of like how bizarre her life looks.
Speaker 1: I actually do think recently she's being a bit silly.
Speaker 2: Well that exactly now, she's playing into that. If you
Speaker 2: see the hat, yes, explain for people who haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: Like I haven't checked in with her for a while,
Speaker 1: and I went to a pageant to it.
Speaker 3: Oh my word, she's wearing what can only be described
Speaker 3: as you would think it would be seen on a
Speaker 3: Paris catwalk, a bit of millinery, millinery, like a fascinator hat. Yeah, hybrid,
Speaker 3: just absolutely ridiculous. It looks like a parody version of
Speaker 3: a hat that, yeah, you would see on a cutwalk.
Speaker 1: And that's it.
Speaker 3: And she's wearing it with a straight face in one
Speaker 3: of her crique.
Speaker 2: Well, exactly because she needs that little moments of like
Speaker 2: quirkiness and shock factor to keep her audience tuning in.
Speaker 2: And then I think something like that Megan Michael can't
Speaker 2: like use those quirky moments as much because she's so
Speaker 2: aware of the blowback, I know. But instead of that,
Speaker 2: she's like, I'm going to champion women who have started
Speaker 2: their own business. And yes, that feels very bland to us. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm sure not bland toole who want to start a business.
Speaker 2: Like if I were starting my own business, I'd be
Speaker 2: listening to every podcast available about it and.
Speaker 3: There's always a room for everyone and every sort of
Speaker 3: like yeah.
Speaker 1: Of course it's still going to.
Speaker 2: Get But I think I think for her it just
Speaker 2: seems like a safe space that she knows how to
Speaker 2: play in because she knows the language. It's been around
Speaker 2: for over ten years. An idea of like let's up
Speaker 2: with women and how did you do that? And that's
Speaker 2: incredible and obviously that's good bye.
Speaker 1: A brand that has powersuits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's some one's vibrno them and well we
Speaker 2: don't know this wonts yet, So We'll have to see
Speaker 2: who that is. Maybe it'll be her own little company
Speaker 2: pushing it in there. But I think in that case,
Speaker 2: like it seems like such a bland idea, but it's
Speaker 2: just a bland idea that she feels safe in. And
Speaker 2: I think her whole shtick at the moment is that
Speaker 2: she's going to continue to cosplay as like a twenty
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty ten influencer.
Speaker 1: And e book is next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh can you imagine?
Speaker 1: And ebook is one hundred percent next.
Speaker 2: I actually love if she went full retro.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Yeah, and then an app will
Speaker 1: do an app?
Speaker 2: Oh, an app and love that and then on a
Speaker 2: blog yeah exactly, of course. Well, thank you very much
Speaker 2: for listening to the Spill today. As predicted, I've sunk
Speaker 2: right down the couch because I just the more intense
Speaker 2: I get, the further onto the floor.
Speaker 1: And as predicted, I have not moved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm really your posture is incredible. So if
Speaker 2: you want more of the Spill, even though after that
Speaker 2: you might be thinking I need a little bit of
Speaker 2: a break, make sure you check out yesterday's episode because
Speaker 2: it was just an odyssey of topics that we talked
Speaker 2: about We talked about Chet Hanks, who talked about Kanye
Speaker 2: West not together although they are very much the same.
Speaker 2: We talked about Doughchi. It was a whole situation, so
Speaker 2: make sure you don't listen to that, and Kelly will
Speaker 2: be back to you with us next Tuesday. If you
Speaker 2: have any wild topics that you want her honest opinion on,
Speaker 2: let us know because that seems to you. You know,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you unpopular opinions with Kelly and we'll see
Speaker 2: you back in your podcast for you tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Bye bye, Hella Llan Llan