1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,704 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,744 --> 00:00:29,704 Speaker 2: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 5 00:00:29,784 --> 00:00:34,064 Speaker 2: Brodnick and joining me on this interesting looking orange couch. 6 00:00:33,944 --> 00:00:39,344 Speaker 3: Is Kelly mccaren, usually over on the beauty podcast You Beauty. 7 00:00:39,744 --> 00:00:43,784 Speaker 3: I'm joining the Lovely Laura today to discuss all things celebrity. 8 00:00:43,344 --> 00:00:45,504 Speaker 1: Well in sports. Funnily enough, oh. 9 00:00:45,464 --> 00:00:49,584 Speaker 2: Yes, sports, celebrity penises. We're getting into all of it Todayre's. 10 00:00:49,184 --> 00:00:50,224 Speaker 1: A myriad of topics. 11 00:00:50,264 --> 00:00:53,144 Speaker 3: We've already been discussing nitball and yeah, we're going about 12 00:00:53,144 --> 00:00:53,584 Speaker 3: to get into it. 13 00:00:53,664 --> 00:00:55,984 Speaker 2: Hole exactly what I feel like this couch, which I 14 00:00:55,984 --> 00:00:58,344 Speaker 2: should say we are not now pod studio today because 15 00:00:58,384 --> 00:01:00,864 Speaker 2: the aircorne's broken and someone was very dramatic and so 16 00:01:00,944 --> 00:01:03,664 Speaker 2: they were going to die. That was definitely was absolutely 17 00:01:03,744 --> 00:01:05,304 Speaker 2: I think that's actually a fair call. I don't do 18 00:01:05,384 --> 00:01:07,424 Speaker 2: well in heat. That's why I left North Queensland. So 19 00:01:07,464 --> 00:01:09,744 Speaker 2: we've stolen mea Friedman's office. I just feel like I'm 20 00:01:09,744 --> 00:01:10,504 Speaker 2: on this couch. 21 00:01:10,584 --> 00:01:14,184 Speaker 3: Well, it's very like I'm sitting cross legs leaning like 22 00:01:14,344 --> 00:01:15,664 Speaker 3: this is a comfortable chair. 23 00:01:15,704 --> 00:01:17,064 Speaker 2: I'm just going to have a little DNM, have a 24 00:01:17,104 --> 00:01:19,544 Speaker 2: little counseling session. By the end of this, I'll probably 25 00:01:19,584 --> 00:01:21,504 Speaker 2: closer to the floor because I find during these episodes 26 00:01:21,504 --> 00:01:22,784 Speaker 2: I just kind of slink down. 27 00:01:23,344 --> 00:01:23,944 Speaker 1: I won't move. 28 00:01:24,104 --> 00:01:26,104 Speaker 2: Okay, that's good to know, which is kind of good 29 00:01:26,104 --> 00:01:28,304 Speaker 2: because we've got some very interesting stuff to discuss today, 30 00:01:28,384 --> 00:01:30,624 Speaker 2: so I feel like the couch setup is good. We 31 00:01:30,664 --> 00:01:33,704 Speaker 2: are going to talk about Megan Markle's newest business venture. 32 00:01:33,824 --> 00:01:35,904 Speaker 2: I think we'll have very different views on that, and 33 00:01:35,944 --> 00:01:37,904 Speaker 2: I think there's a bit of a theory as to 34 00:01:37,944 --> 00:01:41,064 Speaker 2: why she's going in this direction that's making people very upset. 35 00:01:41,384 --> 00:01:43,584 Speaker 2: And then you have a hot take on a very 36 00:01:43,704 --> 00:01:46,664 Speaker 2: big event. Yeah, I don't know the sports side of it, 37 00:01:46,744 --> 00:01:49,464 Speaker 2: a very big event that happened in Australia the last 38 00:01:49,464 --> 00:01:51,864 Speaker 2: couple of days. All the famous people were there and 39 00:01:51,904 --> 00:01:54,064 Speaker 2: we have a few opinions on who gets to go 40 00:01:54,144 --> 00:01:59,424 Speaker 2: to those events. But first pinis yes, suns up. So 41 00:01:59,664 --> 00:02:03,144 Speaker 2: White Lotus where midway about I think through season three 42 00:02:03,264 --> 00:02:06,864 Speaker 2: of The White Lotus and they're are really slow. It 43 00:02:06,944 --> 00:02:08,384 Speaker 2: is a slow which is kind of what I think 44 00:02:08,424 --> 00:02:10,744 Speaker 2: is very interesting about is that a lot of critics 45 00:02:10,744 --> 00:02:13,424 Speaker 2: in particular saying that this has been quite a slow 46 00:02:13,504 --> 00:02:17,104 Speaker 2: and uneventful season, and to an extent, yes, like there's 47 00:02:17,104 --> 00:02:19,664 Speaker 2: lots of little talking points around it, and I think 48 00:02:19,704 --> 00:02:22,864 Speaker 2: the performances in particular are very good this season. But 49 00:02:23,064 --> 00:02:25,504 Speaker 2: we're kind of midway through the season now and there 50 00:02:25,584 --> 00:02:28,744 Speaker 2: haven't really been a lot of plot twists, scandals. It 51 00:02:28,824 --> 00:02:30,664 Speaker 2: just feels like it's moving in a very kind of 52 00:02:30,864 --> 00:02:34,544 Speaker 2: slow hyper n yeah, yeah, little, there's little like viral 53 00:02:34,584 --> 00:02:37,264 Speaker 2: moments like that, And the last two episodes things seem 54 00:02:37,304 --> 00:02:39,704 Speaker 2: to have kicked up a little bit, and I wonder 55 00:02:39,704 --> 00:02:41,424 Speaker 2: if that's because so far it's been a bit of 56 00:02:41,464 --> 00:02:45,024 Speaker 2: like a sexless season in how each season is meant 57 00:02:45,024 --> 00:02:46,664 Speaker 2: to be like one of the seven Deadly Sins. 58 00:02:46,824 --> 00:02:48,544 Speaker 1: Okay, what was number one then? But it was the 59 00:02:48,584 --> 00:02:49,104 Speaker 1: first season. 60 00:02:49,144 --> 00:02:51,064 Speaker 2: So the first season was hooked on greed and then 61 00:02:51,064 --> 00:02:53,944 Speaker 2: we've got lost and then this one is gluty. I 62 00:02:53,984 --> 00:02:56,384 Speaker 2: thought so that, yes, yes, you call that, which I 63 00:02:56,424 --> 00:02:57,864 Speaker 2: don't know what it says about me that the second 64 00:02:57,904 --> 00:03:00,344 Speaker 2: season is just by faith but lusty people like to 65 00:03:00,384 --> 00:03:02,824 Speaker 2: watch sex, yeah, sexy thing, yes we do. And so 66 00:03:02,944 --> 00:03:05,024 Speaker 2: this season wasn't meant to be as much about that. 67 00:03:05,424 --> 00:03:07,624 Speaker 2: But there's been like a few little moments that have 68 00:03:07,904 --> 00:03:11,544 Speaker 2: become very viral, and one of those is, oh, you 69 00:03:11,544 --> 00:03:13,184 Speaker 2: didn't like the penis scene from last weekend? 70 00:03:13,264 --> 00:03:16,344 Speaker 1: Oh no, I did like that one. Gosh, sorry, it 71 00:03:16,424 --> 00:03:17,464 Speaker 1: wasn't nice, Staddy. 72 00:03:17,664 --> 00:03:20,384 Speaker 2: Oh, it wasn't even meant to be like a big 73 00:03:20,384 --> 00:03:24,784 Speaker 2: old slung It wasn't even with that word. And then 74 00:03:24,784 --> 00:03:27,304 Speaker 2: Harry pottered two things you don't normally hear together. It 75 00:03:27,344 --> 00:03:29,424 Speaker 2: wasn't even meant to be like a big plot twist 76 00:03:29,504 --> 00:03:31,744 Speaker 2: or a sexy moment or anything like that. Like it's 77 00:03:31,744 --> 00:03:33,984 Speaker 2: literally because he's so like drugged out of his mind 78 00:03:34,024 --> 00:03:36,264 Speaker 2: because of all the money he's stolen and beezzled that 79 00:03:36,384 --> 00:03:40,304 Speaker 2: Jason Isaac's character Tim Ratliffe didn't close his robu. But 80 00:03:40,464 --> 00:03:43,104 Speaker 2: I think it was meant to be like a shocking 81 00:03:43,104 --> 00:03:46,304 Speaker 2: moment for the audience in terms of like I think 82 00:03:46,344 --> 00:03:48,824 Speaker 2: like White kind of weeves those little moments through the show. 83 00:03:48,904 --> 00:03:51,104 Speaker 2: So you have those moments that kind of jilt you 84 00:03:51,144 --> 00:03:52,944 Speaker 2: out of the storyline. 85 00:03:52,504 --> 00:03:55,424 Speaker 3: Yes, but you also know that it's coming or you 86 00:03:55,464 --> 00:03:58,024 Speaker 3: feel uncomfortable because you feel like you think you know 87 00:03:58,104 --> 00:04:00,424 Speaker 3: it's coming. Yeah, like every time the rope kept getting 88 00:04:00,464 --> 00:04:02,704 Speaker 3: that little bit high. I was watching, going, my god, 89 00:04:02,824 --> 00:04:04,584 Speaker 3: cover yourself, like your children are right there. 90 00:04:04,664 --> 00:04:06,704 Speaker 2: I know, and they're already knowing from the first time 91 00:04:06,744 --> 00:04:08,904 Speaker 2: we saw them as the incest family, and that I 92 00:04:08,944 --> 00:04:11,384 Speaker 2: didn't even come to the second episode. Really, they're already 93 00:04:11,384 --> 00:04:13,384 Speaker 2: known as the incest family, so it was interesting to 94 00:04:13,384 --> 00:04:15,544 Speaker 2: do it there. What I also thought was interesting about 95 00:04:15,544 --> 00:04:18,424 Speaker 2: that scene is that Jason Isaacs, who plays that character, 96 00:04:18,544 --> 00:04:20,344 Speaker 2: did a lot of media the next day to talk 97 00:04:20,344 --> 00:04:23,904 Speaker 2: about it. We'll talk about the show, but that's obviously why. Yeah, 98 00:04:24,024 --> 00:04:26,824 Speaker 2: So when he was being asked on all the talk 99 00:04:26,824 --> 00:04:29,024 Speaker 2: shows that he went on, he said, I'm not going 100 00:04:29,064 --> 00:04:30,584 Speaker 2: to talk about that, and I think there's a. 101 00:04:30,584 --> 00:04:32,864 Speaker 1: Humory Adam Daimos or whatever his name is. 102 00:04:33,224 --> 00:04:35,424 Speaker 2: Second yea, yeah, he said, I'm not going to talk 103 00:04:35,464 --> 00:04:37,744 Speaker 2: about that because I think it's a wild double standard 104 00:04:38,064 --> 00:04:40,224 Speaker 2: that women don't have to talk about how they do 105 00:04:40,264 --> 00:04:42,424 Speaker 2: their sex scenes. And first of all, they absolutely do. 106 00:04:42,784 --> 00:04:46,264 Speaker 2: But he talks about Mikey Madison from Anora, and he said, 107 00:04:46,304 --> 00:04:50,024 Speaker 2: no one's asking Mikey Madison to explain her volver, so 108 00:04:50,104 --> 00:04:51,704 Speaker 2: I shouldn't have to explain my penis. 109 00:04:51,944 --> 00:04:53,824 Speaker 1: Are you a fake vulver, yes or not. 110 00:04:53,904 --> 00:04:56,544 Speaker 2: You see her volver in the movie like that, you 111 00:04:56,584 --> 00:04:58,744 Speaker 2: see her boobs and you see other things, but there's 112 00:04:58,744 --> 00:05:00,064 Speaker 2: no full front of the volp. 113 00:05:00,464 --> 00:05:04,984 Speaker 3: We've lived a very long few decades, longer through misogyny 114 00:05:05,024 --> 00:05:07,024 Speaker 3: and sexism. Yeah, we're allowed to have our moment. 115 00:05:07,064 --> 00:05:08,944 Speaker 2: But also, if you did see a full shot of 116 00:05:08,984 --> 00:05:13,944 Speaker 2: Mikey Madison's vulver in an she would be asked about that, Yeah, exactly. 117 00:05:13,984 --> 00:05:15,864 Speaker 2: But you saw her boobs. They looked very real, So 118 00:05:15,944 --> 00:05:18,744 Speaker 2: that wasn't a conversation. So Jason Isaacs was very much like, 119 00:05:18,784 --> 00:05:21,264 Speaker 2: I'm an actor, do not ask me about my craft. 120 00:05:21,464 --> 00:05:25,864 Speaker 2: But he didn't pass that along to Jesus. But he 121 00:05:25,904 --> 00:05:29,344 Speaker 2: didn't pass those tidbits along to his TV children because 122 00:05:29,344 --> 00:05:31,344 Speaker 2: then they did interviews when we are asked about it, 123 00:05:31,704 --> 00:05:33,904 Speaker 2: and they all said, oh, yeah, that was a prosthetic. 124 00:05:33,984 --> 00:05:36,544 Speaker 2: Like Sam Navola, who plays Lockie, was like, yeah, he 125 00:05:36,624 --> 00:05:39,024 Speaker 2: was really proud of the prosthetic, Like it was really funny. 126 00:05:39,064 --> 00:05:41,104 Speaker 2: On the day, we all kept laughing about it, whacking 127 00:05:41,144 --> 00:05:43,864 Speaker 2: each other. Yeah, So obviously they didn't pass the memo 128 00:05:43,944 --> 00:05:45,784 Speaker 2: on that it was meant to be this mysterious thing. 129 00:05:45,784 --> 00:05:48,264 Speaker 2: You weren't meant to talk about, so that's become one 130 00:05:48,304 --> 00:05:50,944 Speaker 2: of the big talking points. And then last night's episode, 131 00:05:50,984 --> 00:05:53,504 Speaker 2: this is very spoiler like people like it's everywhere today. 132 00:05:53,544 --> 00:05:55,464 Speaker 2: It's not like a big plot twist or anything like that, 133 00:05:55,784 --> 00:05:58,904 Speaker 2: was that the two brothers from that same incestuous little 134 00:05:58,904 --> 00:06:00,744 Speaker 2: family shared a bit of a kiss. 135 00:06:00,864 --> 00:06:01,864 Speaker 1: Yuck, yuck, yuck. 136 00:06:01,944 --> 00:06:04,904 Speaker 2: It just made me feel very uncomfortable. Just sorry, I'm 137 00:06:05,504 --> 00:06:08,264 Speaker 2: I'm all here for but the brother, especially my younger 138 00:06:08,264 --> 00:06:08,824 Speaker 2: older brother. 139 00:06:09,064 --> 00:06:12,504 Speaker 3: I get the Yeah, very clever man, but like, can 140 00:06:12,544 --> 00:06:14,304 Speaker 3: we not just leave the incest out of it? 141 00:06:14,704 --> 00:06:18,304 Speaker 1: Well, you can't change my mind about this, Laura. 142 00:06:18,184 --> 00:06:21,464 Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying it's like a sexy thing at all. Again, 143 00:06:21,504 --> 00:06:23,584 Speaker 2: two hot guys kissing that would have been quite hot. 144 00:06:23,784 --> 00:06:24,944 Speaker 2: Two brothers kissing. 145 00:06:24,824 --> 00:06:27,664 Speaker 1: One especially kind of underage were unclear. 146 00:06:27,664 --> 00:06:31,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, like, well he's senior in high school, okay, under yeah, 147 00:06:31,144 --> 00:06:33,344 Speaker 2: very young. Well, and also they're on drugs and they 148 00:06:33,424 --> 00:06:35,104 Speaker 2: had a lot to drink, so they're sort of out 149 00:06:35,144 --> 00:06:37,304 Speaker 2: of their minds. So it could have almost just been 150 00:06:37,304 --> 00:06:40,624 Speaker 2: this weird thing where they kissed with drugs, and it 151 00:06:40,664 --> 00:06:42,464 Speaker 2: would have just been like, oh, it was weird and gross. 152 00:06:42,504 --> 00:06:45,024 Speaker 2: If it hadn't been for the underlying storyline that was 153 00:06:45,024 --> 00:06:46,944 Speaker 2: set up in the first episode of the Younger Brother 154 00:06:47,024 --> 00:06:49,664 Speaker 2: kind of looking at his brother naked in the bed, 155 00:06:49,704 --> 00:06:50,624 Speaker 2: and it's interesting that. 156 00:06:50,664 --> 00:06:52,624 Speaker 3: And sorry, I've been off my face with my sister 157 00:06:52,704 --> 00:06:55,104 Speaker 3: plenty of times, not once of a thought yuck. 158 00:06:55,224 --> 00:06:58,184 Speaker 2: I don't yuh yuck. Isn't that just the worst thing? Siblings? 159 00:06:58,224 --> 00:07:00,944 Speaker 2: Is just something just the worst thing, the worst thing 160 00:07:01,424 --> 00:07:04,304 Speaker 2: just to think about. But it's interesting because people have 161 00:07:04,344 --> 00:07:06,424 Speaker 2: been saying too, like there's so many taboos that have 162 00:07:06,504 --> 00:07:09,184 Speaker 2: come and gone through pop culture and everything's getting like 163 00:07:09,224 --> 00:07:11,504 Speaker 2: a little bit dissensitied and being like, oh, yeah, we've 164 00:07:11,504 --> 00:07:13,824 Speaker 2: seen movies like that before. So is incest that like 165 00:07:13,944 --> 00:07:16,864 Speaker 2: the last food left that we can throw out there 166 00:07:16,904 --> 00:07:17,944 Speaker 2: for like shocking TV. 167 00:07:18,784 --> 00:07:20,944 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's what he's doing. I don't know. I'm 168 00:07:20,984 --> 00:07:21,744 Speaker 1: just not here for it. 169 00:07:21,864 --> 00:07:23,784 Speaker 2: But I also think, like, if that's all it is, 170 00:07:23,784 --> 00:07:25,224 Speaker 2: like a bit of an off your face kiss, I 171 00:07:25,224 --> 00:07:27,304 Speaker 2: don't think this would count as like a big talking 172 00:07:27,344 --> 00:07:30,664 Speaker 2: point in pop culture for an incest storyline, true, because 173 00:07:30,664 --> 00:07:32,264 Speaker 2: it's just more of a weird thing of these like 174 00:07:32,624 --> 00:07:36,424 Speaker 2: brothers weird getting high and then wanting to impress these 175 00:07:36,464 --> 00:07:39,144 Speaker 2: like older women who was like so clearly messing with them, 176 00:07:39,224 --> 00:07:42,064 Speaker 2: and the power dynamic is so clearly the ball so 177 00:07:42,144 --> 00:07:44,864 Speaker 2: clearly in their court that these brothers kind of who 178 00:07:44,864 --> 00:07:47,264 Speaker 2: are these like rich, powerful white men from like a 179 00:07:47,304 --> 00:07:49,864 Speaker 2: powerful family. I just being made to look a bit 180 00:07:49,904 --> 00:07:52,584 Speaker 2: silly by these women who are being properly kid. Yeah. 181 00:07:52,864 --> 00:07:54,904 Speaker 2: And also it might we don't know yet. I haven't 182 00:07:54,944 --> 00:07:56,864 Speaker 2: watched any further than what's on TV at the moment, 183 00:07:57,144 --> 00:08:00,184 Speaker 2: but it might spiral into a bit more of a 184 00:08:00,264 --> 00:08:03,144 Speaker 2: ancestral storyline. But I didn't even like the older brother 185 00:08:03,224 --> 00:08:05,664 Speaker 2: calling his younger sister hot and asking them to have sex. 186 00:08:05,704 --> 00:08:09,024 Speaker 2: Like everything about that family gives meybeck except Piper. 187 00:08:09,104 --> 00:08:12,224 Speaker 1: Now tell them she's fancasty. 188 00:08:12,504 --> 00:08:14,784 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. The mom's the more normal one out. 189 00:08:15,344 --> 00:08:16,944 Speaker 1: And no wonder with a family like that, she has 190 00:08:16,984 --> 00:08:17,784 Speaker 1: to drug herself. 191 00:08:17,824 --> 00:08:20,304 Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly, everyone's saying, like, oh, she's so wild. 192 00:08:20,304 --> 00:08:22,264 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know. The husband is like stealing 193 00:08:22,304 --> 00:08:24,904 Speaker 2: guns and like thinking about killing himself and stolen the money. 194 00:08:25,144 --> 00:08:28,544 Speaker 1: Her three children have weird weirdly into each other, have a. 195 00:08:28,504 --> 00:08:30,864 Speaker 2: Weird ancestral situation going on, and the mom. 196 00:08:30,784 --> 00:08:32,984 Speaker 1: She's just worried about builderser. 197 00:08:32,464 --> 00:08:34,944 Speaker 2: And she's just strucked up on holiday, the most one 198 00:08:34,984 --> 00:08:36,784 Speaker 2: out of all of them. 199 00:08:37,624 --> 00:08:40,704 Speaker 3: Now, one thing I didn't have on my algorithm bingo 200 00:08:40,784 --> 00:08:43,424 Speaker 3: card for twenty twenty five was the f one. 201 00:08:43,424 --> 00:08:46,264 Speaker 1: That just based on the weekend and I'm not alone. 202 00:08:46,664 --> 00:08:49,584 Speaker 3: Formerly reserved for the car mad folk or possibly a 203 00:08:49,624 --> 00:08:53,744 Speaker 3: few Daniel Ricardo fans. Social media was flooded with local 204 00:08:53,784 --> 00:08:57,104 Speaker 3: celebs and influencers you generally wouldn't expect to associate with 205 00:08:57,184 --> 00:09:00,424 Speaker 3: car racing, and A Paul was there, possibly feeling broke, 206 00:09:00,544 --> 00:09:05,744 Speaker 3: can't confirm, Spice Girl, Melcy, Moana Hope, Curtis Stone, carry bigmore, 207 00:09:05,864 --> 00:09:10,264 Speaker 3: the ronicas Alexandra Daddao, that chick from White Lotus Season. 208 00:09:09,984 --> 00:09:12,144 Speaker 2: One, Beck Joe was there. I would have gone just 209 00:09:12,184 --> 00:09:12,584 Speaker 2: for her. 210 00:09:12,584 --> 00:09:13,064 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 211 00:09:13,064 --> 00:09:15,184 Speaker 2: And right proper celebs yeah. 212 00:09:14,864 --> 00:09:18,864 Speaker 1: Brooke Blotton, amongst plenty of others, including our very own 213 00:09:19,024 --> 00:09:21,544 Speaker 1: m Vernon, who went as a guest of Shark Beauty. 214 00:09:21,944 --> 00:09:25,264 Speaker 1: Now with any event when media and influencers are invited, well, 215 00:09:25,304 --> 00:09:27,664 Speaker 1: I should say females because the cranky people on the 216 00:09:27,664 --> 00:09:30,744 Speaker 1: internet don't seem to care about the blokes get into 217 00:09:30,824 --> 00:09:32,104 Speaker 1: an uproar. 218 00:09:31,664 --> 00:09:35,304 Speaker 4: About ah, these bunch of nobodies being invited. Why would 219 00:09:35,304 --> 00:09:38,704 Speaker 4: you send this person never shown an interest. How about 220 00:09:38,744 --> 00:09:41,824 Speaker 4: you send someone who would actually appreciate it. And I'm 221 00:09:41,904 --> 00:09:44,024 Speaker 4: unsure if these people realize that for as long as 222 00:09:44,064 --> 00:09:48,304 Speaker 4: events have been going, big companies have had corporate boxes 223 00:09:48,424 --> 00:09:51,184 Speaker 4: or access because they're either a sponsor of the event 224 00:09:51,384 --> 00:09:54,624 Speaker 4: or they're like a brand partner. So say, for example, 225 00:09:54,664 --> 00:09:56,704 Speaker 4: I used to work at a big fashion company back 226 00:09:56,704 --> 00:09:59,344 Speaker 4: in the day. We used to get a big corporate 227 00:09:59,384 --> 00:10:03,944 Speaker 4: box access to pretty much every concert because we used 228 00:10:03,984 --> 00:10:06,704 Speaker 4: Star Trek as one of our male partners, and they 229 00:10:06,744 --> 00:10:07,504 Speaker 4: always had a box. 230 00:10:07,544 --> 00:10:09,224 Speaker 1: They were like, use it as you will. 231 00:10:09,584 --> 00:10:11,984 Speaker 3: So I don't think people people realize that that's actually very, 232 00:10:12,184 --> 00:10:15,744 Speaker 3: very normal. And the finance bros have always been attending 233 00:10:15,784 --> 00:10:18,144 Speaker 3: things like the concerts and tennis and the f one 234 00:10:18,224 --> 00:10:20,384 Speaker 3: for free for years, and who knows if they care 235 00:10:20,424 --> 00:10:23,784 Speaker 3: about it or not. But because all the shoulder rubbing 236 00:10:23,904 --> 00:10:27,984 Speaker 3: and networking and booger sugar sniffing was going on behind 237 00:10:28,104 --> 00:10:31,624 Speaker 3: the closed doors, no one got cranky about it. So, Laura, 238 00:10:31,704 --> 00:10:34,264 Speaker 3: why do you think people get so upset about seeing 239 00:10:34,304 --> 00:10:36,304 Speaker 3: people from social media at these events? 240 00:10:37,024 --> 00:10:39,184 Speaker 2: I think that idea of if there's something that the 241 00:10:39,224 --> 00:10:41,504 Speaker 2: public really want to go to and there's something they 242 00:10:41,504 --> 00:10:44,064 Speaker 2: can't access because of money or they couldn't get tickets. 243 00:10:44,224 --> 00:10:47,184 Speaker 2: There's this anger influencer culture of how come these people 244 00:10:47,224 --> 00:10:48,944 Speaker 2: get to go? And I think because a lot of 245 00:10:48,984 --> 00:10:52,424 Speaker 2: people still see some influencers as being unworthy, like oh, 246 00:10:52,464 --> 00:10:54,664 Speaker 2: they just post a few photos and they do nothing. 247 00:10:54,944 --> 00:10:58,104 Speaker 2: Whereas I think, especially in today's climate, to have like 248 00:10:58,184 --> 00:11:01,224 Speaker 2: a successful influencer business, you have to be putting some 249 00:11:01,384 --> 00:11:02,744 Speaker 2: work in, you know, like you just like you had 250 00:11:02,744 --> 00:11:04,584 Speaker 2: back in the day people get famous fro approaching a 251 00:11:04,624 --> 00:11:07,584 Speaker 2: bikini show hot, yeah exactly, but and like that's obviously 252 00:11:07,624 --> 00:11:09,824 Speaker 2: still the case, like hotness will get you over the line, 253 00:11:09,944 --> 00:11:12,984 Speaker 2: but with the algorithms and like the business structure, it's 254 00:11:13,024 --> 00:11:15,344 Speaker 2: not really enough. There's an anger of people who are 255 00:11:15,424 --> 00:11:16,784 Speaker 2: undeserving to be there. 256 00:11:16,944 --> 00:11:19,144 Speaker 3: So it's because they can see it happening, rather than 257 00:11:19,184 --> 00:11:20,344 Speaker 3: it all happening behind. 258 00:11:20,224 --> 00:11:22,344 Speaker 2: Closes one hundred, because they can see it happening. And 259 00:11:22,344 --> 00:11:24,624 Speaker 2: I think there's even been like a big pushback against 260 00:11:24,624 --> 00:11:27,624 Speaker 2: things like influencer brand trips and some brands now saying 261 00:11:27,624 --> 00:11:29,184 Speaker 2: we won't do them anymore. We're going to take our 262 00:11:29,224 --> 00:11:30,304 Speaker 2: customers instead. 263 00:11:30,704 --> 00:11:33,384 Speaker 3: Who's going to care about old mate, going no one, 264 00:11:33,704 --> 00:11:35,264 Speaker 3: no thing is when you look at the return on 265 00:11:35,344 --> 00:11:38,704 Speaker 3: investment from a marketing point of view, it's like, you 266 00:11:38,784 --> 00:11:44,384 Speaker 3: can't just send Carol from Accounts to these big fancy events. 267 00:11:44,424 --> 00:11:46,584 Speaker 3: Of course it's lovely, and of course it's a lovely 268 00:11:46,664 --> 00:11:49,944 Speaker 3: brand story, but Carol from Accounts is going to tell 269 00:11:49,984 --> 00:11:52,344 Speaker 3: her couple of friends about the brand. You've got an 270 00:11:52,344 --> 00:11:55,704 Speaker 3: influencer that's got one hundred million of that wow wow wow, 271 00:11:55,824 --> 00:11:58,984 Speaker 3: Oh that was blown out to proportion with one million 272 00:11:59,024 --> 00:12:01,744 Speaker 3: followers all over the world that are now going to 273 00:12:01,744 --> 00:12:04,304 Speaker 3: be talking about Shark Beauty or looking at Shark Beauty. 274 00:12:04,464 --> 00:12:06,184 Speaker 4: And of course you've got the two people that go, well, 275 00:12:06,184 --> 00:12:09,464 Speaker 4: I'm even shopping at Shark Beauty. If that's who they send, okay. 276 00:12:09,224 --> 00:12:11,544 Speaker 3: Great, well don't There's an awful lot of people that 277 00:12:11,624 --> 00:12:13,904 Speaker 3: have never heard of that brand that now have because 278 00:12:13,944 --> 00:12:16,544 Speaker 3: they followed that person and that person went to the 279 00:12:16,544 --> 00:12:17,944 Speaker 3: event that they're interested exactly. 280 00:12:18,024 --> 00:12:19,944 Speaker 2: That's something where you can do brand building nowadays. 281 00:12:19,944 --> 00:12:22,264 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's disgusting and ridiculous. 282 00:12:22,784 --> 00:12:24,664 Speaker 2: But I think some businesses can make it work with 283 00:12:24,784 --> 00:12:27,304 Speaker 2: taking customers on like a brand ship like Fate the 284 00:12:27,344 --> 00:12:30,464 Speaker 2: label's done it very successfully. But that's different because there's 285 00:12:30,504 --> 00:12:33,664 Speaker 2: not a lot of like plus size influences in that space. 286 00:12:33,704 --> 00:12:36,144 Speaker 2: It's also if you're customers and then you see them 287 00:12:36,264 --> 00:12:38,744 Speaker 2: their clothes, it's more of a grassroots whereas like a 288 00:12:38,784 --> 00:12:40,904 Speaker 2: big brand needs people with big followers. 289 00:12:40,944 --> 00:12:42,944 Speaker 3: I'm also going to argue against you there because the 290 00:12:42,984 --> 00:12:45,304 Speaker 3: reason that that was so successful is because the owner 291 00:12:45,344 --> 00:12:48,224 Speaker 3: is an influencer herself, so had a platform to tell 292 00:12:48,264 --> 00:12:50,864 Speaker 3: everyone what she was doing. If you've got Nellie no 293 00:12:50,984 --> 00:12:53,224 Speaker 3: name behind a brand, what's that going to do? 294 00:12:53,304 --> 00:12:54,264 Speaker 1: You're going to. 295 00:12:54,224 --> 00:12:56,944 Speaker 3: Be shouting about how good you are, Yeah, taking my customers, 296 00:12:56,944 --> 00:12:59,864 Speaker 3: taking my regular people. You're going to be shouting about 297 00:12:59,864 --> 00:13:01,944 Speaker 3: that to two people, your friends and family on the internet. 298 00:13:01,984 --> 00:13:04,624 Speaker 2: But yeah, exactly. That's because their accounts are geared towards 299 00:13:04,664 --> 00:13:06,664 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. So when I'm seeing that content 300 00:13:06,664 --> 00:13:08,664 Speaker 2: on their accounts, is giving me the content I want, 301 00:13:08,824 --> 00:13:11,744 Speaker 2: whereas other beaoty brands, I'm might not be looking for 302 00:13:11,784 --> 00:13:14,064 Speaker 2: that on their accounts. You're looking for these other people 303 00:13:14,064 --> 00:13:15,824 Speaker 2: who were there. But I do feel like a lot 304 00:13:15,864 --> 00:13:18,584 Speaker 2: of the brands who brought all these influences and famous 305 00:13:18,624 --> 00:13:21,104 Speaker 2: people to this event over the weekend maybe did get 306 00:13:21,104 --> 00:13:23,624 Speaker 2: a good return on their investment because they weren't there 307 00:13:23,664 --> 00:13:25,864 Speaker 2: to promote the f one, like the tickets already sold out, 308 00:13:25,864 --> 00:13:27,824 Speaker 2: like exactly, you couldn't go by the one. 309 00:13:27,864 --> 00:13:30,704 Speaker 1: It doesn't need any more marketing from how many they were. 310 00:13:30,584 --> 00:13:32,464 Speaker 2: There trying to sell their different brands, so like what 311 00:13:32,504 --> 00:13:34,464 Speaker 2: people were wearing, the makeup they were using, the drinks 312 00:13:34,504 --> 00:13:36,424 Speaker 2: they were holding. And I think that's why too, where 313 00:13:36,464 --> 00:13:38,384 Speaker 2: you see a lot of people get very angry at 314 00:13:38,424 --> 00:13:41,544 Speaker 2: influencers or famous people or podcast hosts who go to 315 00:13:41,624 --> 00:13:44,464 Speaker 2: events like the Tailor Swift concert. So many different people 316 00:13:44,544 --> 00:13:47,104 Speaker 2: were invited, like famous people in Australia were invited to 317 00:13:47,344 --> 00:13:50,664 Speaker 2: watch that, and I saw so much anger over these 318 00:13:50,704 --> 00:13:53,824 Speaker 2: famous celebrities, people with influence who could have afforded tickets. 319 00:13:53,904 --> 00:13:55,904 Speaker 2: How dare they get invited? I think a lot of 320 00:13:55,944 --> 00:13:57,944 Speaker 2: people in fearing that Taylor Swift had something to do 321 00:13:58,024 --> 00:14:00,144 Speaker 2: with it, and how dared Taylor Swift use them to 322 00:14:00,184 --> 00:14:02,584 Speaker 2: promote her concerts? And on that note, I was like, 323 00:14:02,584 --> 00:14:04,744 Speaker 2: you don't get review tickets for Taylor Swift. I had 324 00:14:04,784 --> 00:14:06,744 Speaker 2: so many people message me like friends I haven't seen 325 00:14:06,784 --> 00:14:08,904 Speaker 2: for years, can you get a tickets? 326 00:14:08,904 --> 00:14:10,024 Speaker 1: And you're like, are you serious. 327 00:14:10,344 --> 00:14:12,184 Speaker 2: I was like, I didn't get review tickets. I bought 328 00:14:12,184 --> 00:14:14,664 Speaker 2: my own because Taylorfift doesn't need to give media tickets 329 00:14:14,704 --> 00:14:17,064 Speaker 2: to people. So the only people who got invited were 330 00:14:17,064 --> 00:14:19,544 Speaker 2: invited by brands who had like bought boxes. 331 00:14:19,224 --> 00:14:22,304 Speaker 3: And stuff and want to build relationships with different media 332 00:14:22,304 --> 00:14:26,624 Speaker 3: are different influencers. Because, unfortunately, hate to say it, but 333 00:14:26,704 --> 00:14:29,984 Speaker 3: if there's two really good blush brands and they're both 334 00:14:30,024 --> 00:14:33,184 Speaker 3: equally as amazing, if you've gone to Taylor Swift with 335 00:14:33,224 --> 00:14:35,704 Speaker 3: one blush brand, they're always going to be top of mind? 336 00:14:36,184 --> 00:14:38,144 Speaker 1: Is that right? Maybe not, but it's just the way 337 00:14:38,184 --> 00:14:39,544 Speaker 1: business works, unfortunately. 338 00:14:41,384 --> 00:14:43,824 Speaker 2: Well, from a bunch of influencers to someone who is 339 00:14:43,944 --> 00:14:47,264 Speaker 2: cosplaying as an influencer, even though she could have taken 340 00:14:47,304 --> 00:14:51,384 Speaker 2: things in a very different direction, Megan Markle's new business venture. 341 00:14:51,464 --> 00:14:54,504 Speaker 3: She is actually I've never thought about it like that. 342 00:14:54,544 --> 00:14:56,424 Speaker 3: She is cosplaying as an influencer. 343 00:14:56,584 --> 00:14:59,944 Speaker 2: Everything she's doing is textbook influencer, but from about a 344 00:15:00,104 --> 00:15:02,664 Speaker 2: decade ago. Yeah, I want to say, but anyway, we're 345 00:15:02,704 --> 00:15:04,424 Speaker 2: not ragging on her at all. Guys, if you listen 346 00:15:04,464 --> 00:15:06,744 Speaker 2: to like the five podcasts that we well, it might 347 00:15:06,784 --> 00:15:08,544 Speaker 2: go that way. If we listen to the five podcasts. 348 00:15:08,544 --> 00:15:10,744 Speaker 2: We've done her recently, but very pro make and marcle 349 00:15:10,824 --> 00:15:15,184 Speaker 2: on this podcast. So recently, after all the buzz around 350 00:15:15,224 --> 00:15:17,504 Speaker 2: her Netflix show had died down a little bit and 351 00:15:17,544 --> 00:15:20,504 Speaker 2: she'd announced that season two was coming out, she then 352 00:15:20,664 --> 00:15:24,024 Speaker 2: posted about her next business venture on her Instagram account. 353 00:15:24,464 --> 00:15:27,944 Speaker 1: And she's very busy. She doesn't just repackage pretzels. 354 00:15:28,024 --> 00:15:30,504 Speaker 2: No, she's got a lot going on, whole business venture. 355 00:15:30,784 --> 00:15:33,624 Speaker 2: So she said that she is releasing her next podcast, 356 00:15:33,624 --> 00:15:36,864 Speaker 2: which is called Confessions of a Female Founder, and the 357 00:15:36,904 --> 00:15:39,864 Speaker 2: first episode's going to drop on April eight, and she 358 00:15:39,984 --> 00:15:43,064 Speaker 2: said it's about having candid conversations with amazing women who 359 00:15:43,104 --> 00:15:46,904 Speaker 2: have turned dreams into realities and scaled small ideas into 360 00:15:46,984 --> 00:15:48,704 Speaker 2: massively successful businesses. 361 00:15:49,064 --> 00:15:52,784 Speaker 3: Groundbreaking, Yes, and they're going to go onto I've never 362 00:15:52,824 --> 00:15:53,904 Speaker 3: heard anything like it. 363 00:15:54,664 --> 00:15:57,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, that's the thing. So obviously anything that Megan 364 00:15:57,504 --> 00:15:59,864 Speaker 2: Markel announces is going to be hit with like a 365 00:15:59,864 --> 00:16:04,424 Speaker 2: lot of criticism or thought or critique anything like that. 366 00:16:04,504 --> 00:16:06,664 Speaker 2: So the fact that people I think were like up 367 00:16:06,664 --> 00:16:10,064 Speaker 2: at arms about this was to be expected. But I 368 00:16:10,104 --> 00:16:12,184 Speaker 2: feel a lot of people had your reaction, like your 369 00:16:12,304 --> 00:16:14,384 Speaker 2: very vistaal reaction of like what is she doing? 370 00:16:14,744 --> 00:16:17,304 Speaker 1: That is not a new concept, no at all. 371 00:16:17,624 --> 00:16:19,344 Speaker 2: How it was a new concept though. 372 00:16:19,464 --> 00:16:19,864 Speaker 4: Yeah. 373 00:16:19,984 --> 00:16:22,184 Speaker 3: The reason I had such a visual reaction was didn't 374 00:16:22,944 --> 00:16:26,064 Speaker 3: her last podcast get canned because no one was listening 375 00:16:26,064 --> 00:16:26,384 Speaker 3: to it? 376 00:16:26,744 --> 00:16:29,304 Speaker 2: Yeah? So she and Harry signed that huge deal with 377 00:16:29,384 --> 00:16:32,024 Speaker 2: Spotify and then she and Harry did that podcast together. 378 00:16:32,304 --> 00:16:34,744 Speaker 1: It was a very funny little inside thing. 379 00:16:34,944 --> 00:16:38,344 Speaker 3: A lot of like Aussie podcasts got cut from Spotify 380 00:16:38,584 --> 00:16:42,744 Speaker 3: because they didn't have any budget left because of this 381 00:16:42,904 --> 00:16:43,624 Speaker 3: giant deal. 382 00:16:43,704 --> 00:16:46,864 Speaker 1: That Absolutely they threw it investment. 383 00:16:47,104 --> 00:16:48,704 Speaker 2: They threw it at Megan and Harry, they threw it 384 00:16:48,744 --> 00:16:50,624 Speaker 2: at call Her Daddy. They threw it, They went through it, 385 00:16:52,744 --> 00:16:54,064 Speaker 2: and then they went, oh shit, we have no more 386 00:16:54,064 --> 00:16:56,864 Speaker 2: money to give other people. So yeah, with Harry Meghan. 387 00:16:56,904 --> 00:16:58,784 Speaker 2: So they released that first podcast together. But it was 388 00:16:58,824 --> 00:17:00,704 Speaker 2: so weird because it was such a long podcast and 389 00:17:00,864 --> 00:17:03,304 Speaker 2: like fifteen guests on. They were like, here's this person, 390 00:17:03,304 --> 00:17:05,584 Speaker 2: and here's Barack Obama and here's this and I'm like, guys, 391 00:17:05,904 --> 00:17:07,624 Speaker 2: did no one of the planning meetings say this could 392 00:17:07,624 --> 00:17:10,784 Speaker 2: have been like fifteen little podcasts? And then they didn't 393 00:17:10,784 --> 00:17:12,904 Speaker 2: follow that up. And then she did do a full 394 00:17:12,944 --> 00:17:16,544 Speaker 2: season of her podcast Archetypes, and it was okay, but. 395 00:17:16,624 --> 00:17:18,464 Speaker 1: She didn't realize that she had two different ones. 396 00:17:18,504 --> 00:17:20,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, two different one. So she and Harry did 397 00:17:20,104 --> 00:17:22,624 Speaker 2: one together that was kind of just peeded out, and 398 00:17:22,664 --> 00:17:25,024 Speaker 2: then she did a full season of Archetypes. So and 399 00:17:25,064 --> 00:17:27,984 Speaker 2: she had like really interesting guests on, like Mariah Carey 400 00:17:28,024 --> 00:17:30,384 Speaker 2: and de Kaling and other non famous people as well, 401 00:17:30,704 --> 00:17:34,864 Speaker 2: but she didn't really seem to understand the concept of 402 00:17:34,944 --> 00:17:37,464 Speaker 2: what was going on. So her questions and her like 403 00:17:37,584 --> 00:17:41,464 Speaker 2: line of interviewing like wasn't great. And some podcasts were great, 404 00:17:41,464 --> 00:17:43,384 Speaker 2: like the Mindy Kaling one was great, but because Mindy 405 00:17:43,464 --> 00:17:45,744 Speaker 2: Kaling was great, And then it came out. 406 00:17:45,624 --> 00:17:47,984 Speaker 1: After Kaling would be good on any podcast. 407 00:17:47,704 --> 00:17:50,584 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And so it came out later that some 408 00:17:50,664 --> 00:17:52,624 Speaker 2: of the producers on the show had gone and done 409 00:17:52,784 --> 00:17:55,624 Speaker 2: different interviews and they had dubbed Megan's voice over it, 410 00:17:55,864 --> 00:17:59,264 Speaker 2: which is not uncommon. Oky take a number of celebrity junkets. 411 00:17:59,264 --> 00:18:00,824 Speaker 2: I've been out where I'm talking to someone in the 412 00:18:00,864 --> 00:18:03,464 Speaker 2: waiting room and I am like, oh, hi, like I'm Laura, 413 00:18:03,504 --> 00:18:04,744 Speaker 2: and I see at you because I'm like, who is 414 00:18:04,784 --> 00:18:06,784 Speaker 2: this person who's going into this interview? I never met 415 00:18:06,784 --> 00:18:09,064 Speaker 2: them before, And they'll say oh, I'm the producer for 416 00:18:09,664 --> 00:18:12,704 Speaker 2: such and such A won't say which ones, and when 417 00:18:12,704 --> 00:18:14,944 Speaker 2: we play this interview tonight, will dub the radio host 418 00:18:15,104 --> 00:18:17,104 Speaker 2: name over it, so it gets done a lot. It's 419 00:18:17,144 --> 00:18:17,624 Speaker 2: not just Megan. 420 00:18:17,744 --> 00:18:18,624 Speaker 1: I did not know that. 421 00:18:18,784 --> 00:18:19,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have to tell you later. 422 00:18:19,944 --> 00:18:20,984 Speaker 1: I'm so gullible. 423 00:18:21,744 --> 00:18:23,704 Speaker 2: They just dubbed their questions over. I guess if it's 424 00:18:23,704 --> 00:18:25,664 Speaker 2: for radio or podcasts or something, you can do that. 425 00:18:26,704 --> 00:18:28,864 Speaker 1: But I would want to go meet the person myself. 426 00:18:28,944 --> 00:18:30,344 Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe, I. 427 00:18:30,384 --> 00:18:32,864 Speaker 2: Guess sometimes it's a scheduling conflict. So she got a 428 00:18:32,904 --> 00:18:34,984 Speaker 2: lot of hate for that. And then when they parted 429 00:18:35,024 --> 00:18:37,344 Speaker 2: ways was Spotify. There was that whole thing of one 430 00:18:37,344 --> 00:18:38,864 Speaker 2: of the guys who was like a higher up at 431 00:18:38,864 --> 00:18:41,144 Speaker 2: Spotify saying there were grifters. I think that was like 432 00:18:41,464 --> 00:18:43,984 Speaker 2: one of the reasons why people in that moment hated 433 00:18:44,024 --> 00:18:46,904 Speaker 2: them so much. But I can understand from Megan Markle's 434 00:18:46,904 --> 00:18:50,664 Speaker 2: perspective why she's doing this podcast, though as bland as 435 00:18:50,664 --> 00:18:51,704 Speaker 2: it sounds. 436 00:18:51,744 --> 00:18:53,424 Speaker 1: I obviously just won't listen to it. 437 00:18:53,464 --> 00:18:56,664 Speaker 3: I'm not going to go roast her and listen to 438 00:18:56,704 --> 00:18:58,664 Speaker 3: it and then leave a nasty review or anything. 439 00:18:58,704 --> 00:18:59,944 Speaker 1: I think if you don't want to listen to it, 440 00:18:59,944 --> 00:19:00,544 Speaker 1: don't listen. 441 00:19:00,344 --> 00:19:01,904 Speaker 2: To Well, that's the thing too, with all these people 442 00:19:01,904 --> 00:19:04,664 Speaker 2: who are so angry about Meghan Markle, and I understand that, Like, 443 00:19:04,824 --> 00:19:07,384 Speaker 2: it can be hard when she's really in the media. 444 00:19:07,464 --> 00:19:10,504 Speaker 2: She is everywhere, Like it's really hard to avoid her. 445 00:19:10,584 --> 00:19:12,064 Speaker 2: But at the same time, you can just not watch 446 00:19:12,104 --> 00:19:14,104 Speaker 2: her show and listen to her podcast. Yes, you can't 447 00:19:14,224 --> 00:19:16,584 Speaker 2: escape her, but you can dilute the noise you want. 448 00:19:16,464 --> 00:19:19,304 Speaker 3: To Absolutely Ken so earlier when you said that you 449 00:19:19,464 --> 00:19:22,144 Speaker 3: wanted to talk about Meghan, mart I was like, Oh, 450 00:19:22,184 --> 00:19:25,104 Speaker 3: but the thing is, is it I just fast forward 451 00:19:25,224 --> 00:19:29,264 Speaker 3: through segments about the royals. I think that hating or 452 00:19:29,384 --> 00:19:31,944 Speaker 3: loving anyone that's in the royal family is quite friend 453 00:19:32,024 --> 00:19:35,064 Speaker 3: Like it's a weird social parasocial relationship to either love 454 00:19:35,144 --> 00:19:35,664 Speaker 3: or hate them. 455 00:19:35,704 --> 00:19:39,344 Speaker 1: Like I just simply don't care. I find them boring. 456 00:19:39,464 --> 00:19:42,304 Speaker 3: I find all of that sort of perfect content that 457 00:19:42,344 --> 00:19:44,144 Speaker 3: I've heard about, even though I've tried to avoid it, 458 00:19:44,624 --> 00:19:45,344 Speaker 3: very boring. 459 00:19:46,064 --> 00:19:48,504 Speaker 1: So I would just avoid it. I'm not going to 460 00:19:48,544 --> 00:19:51,304 Speaker 1: go leave for review and send Netflix a message saying, 461 00:19:51,944 --> 00:19:53,384 Speaker 1: oh that was terrible. 462 00:19:53,664 --> 00:19:55,424 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, that's definitely a much nicer way to 463 00:19:55,464 --> 00:19:57,544 Speaker 2: be than just to hate watch something. But I think 464 00:19:57,584 --> 00:20:00,264 Speaker 2: also with Megan Mikael is just that I think she's very, 465 00:20:00,384 --> 00:20:03,584 Speaker 2: very aware of just how polarizing she is at the moment, 466 00:20:03,904 --> 00:20:06,464 Speaker 2: even though there was a burst of good will towards 467 00:20:06,504 --> 00:20:10,024 Speaker 2: her and Harry after their first Netflix documentary, because it's 468 00:20:10,024 --> 00:20:12,624 Speaker 2: show the intensity of what had happened then behind the 469 00:20:12,664 --> 00:20:16,624 Speaker 2: scenes and then over the time. As it's a very good 470 00:20:16,664 --> 00:20:18,984 Speaker 2: documentary to be fair, like, it's obviously on very on 471 00:20:19,024 --> 00:20:22,184 Speaker 2: their side, but it's interesting to see their perspective on 472 00:20:22,264 --> 00:20:24,424 Speaker 2: this kind of global event that happened with like the 473 00:20:24,504 --> 00:20:27,464 Speaker 2: royal family tearing apart from the inside. But I think 474 00:20:27,504 --> 00:20:30,544 Speaker 2: also then there was all this stuff that came out 475 00:20:30,584 --> 00:20:33,024 Speaker 2: around you know, them being terrible to people who worked 476 00:20:33,064 --> 00:20:35,424 Speaker 2: them and their business is failing, and then the tide 477 00:20:35,464 --> 00:20:37,704 Speaker 2: kind of turned against them. So now that Megan so 478 00:20:37,824 --> 00:20:40,624 Speaker 2: clearly wants to be in the public life, like she 479 00:20:40,744 --> 00:20:42,784 Speaker 2: really wants to be in the spotlight, which is fair enough. 480 00:20:42,784 --> 00:20:45,464 Speaker 2: She was an actress and you know, she married a prince, 481 00:20:45,504 --> 00:20:47,544 Speaker 2: so it's not unthinkable that she would want to be 482 00:20:48,144 --> 00:20:51,064 Speaker 2: in the spotlight. But I think she's very unsure about 483 00:20:51,064 --> 00:20:53,784 Speaker 2: how to go about it now because of the hatred 484 00:20:53,784 --> 00:20:56,704 Speaker 2: against her, and because of that, she has reverted back 485 00:20:56,744 --> 00:21:00,224 Speaker 2: to something that in the sace she knows works with her, 486 00:21:00,304 --> 00:21:04,504 Speaker 2: which is twenty fifteen or even earlier than that Girl 487 00:21:04,544 --> 00:21:08,584 Speaker 2: Boss early days of Instagram kind of wave yeah that 488 00:21:08,664 --> 00:21:10,744 Speaker 2: and people keep saying like, she just looks so out 489 00:21:10,744 --> 00:21:12,224 Speaker 2: of touch, and I was like, no, no, but she's. 490 00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:14,344 Speaker 3: Reverting back to a safe space or so do you 491 00:21:14,384 --> 00:21:17,384 Speaker 3: think any celebrity is in touch. No, they're just really 492 00:21:17,424 --> 00:21:19,864 Speaker 3: good at cosplaying being your regular person. 493 00:21:19,904 --> 00:21:21,384 Speaker 1: If you think that they are in touch. 494 00:21:21,384 --> 00:21:23,744 Speaker 2: Exactly, I think she's just like someone in her head 495 00:21:23,824 --> 00:21:25,984 Speaker 2: or someone on her team has been. Like back in 496 00:21:26,104 --> 00:21:28,824 Speaker 2: this time of Instagram and that girl Boss culture, there 497 00:21:28,824 --> 00:21:30,704 Speaker 2: was a very clear set of rules that women in 498 00:21:30,744 --> 00:21:34,144 Speaker 2: the public eye could follow that kept them safe from ridicule. 499 00:21:34,224 --> 00:21:36,144 Speaker 2: It's obviously not the case now, but back then it 500 00:21:36,184 --> 00:21:39,264 Speaker 2: was like you could post these really bland, aesthetic pictures 501 00:21:39,584 --> 00:21:41,664 Speaker 2: and people would really love your content because it was 502 00:21:41,704 --> 00:21:44,144 Speaker 2: just meant to be visual. You could talk about like 503 00:21:44,504 --> 00:21:47,664 Speaker 2: calmness and loving yourself and the importance of family and 504 00:21:47,744 --> 00:21:50,584 Speaker 2: show this a really beautiful, rich life and no one 505 00:21:50,664 --> 00:21:53,384 Speaker 2: was calling you out because your life was unattainable, like 506 00:21:53,424 --> 00:21:54,664 Speaker 2: we want it unattainable. 507 00:21:54,824 --> 00:21:58,384 Speaker 1: I think that a huge portion of the population still does, though. 508 00:21:58,624 --> 00:22:01,504 Speaker 3: I think that it's just everyone that hates them is 509 00:22:01,584 --> 00:22:05,744 Speaker 3: so noisy, like just be quiet. Like look at Nara Smith, 510 00:22:06,024 --> 00:22:08,944 Speaker 3: how many followers to share on TikTok. Her whole shtick 511 00:22:09,024 --> 00:22:13,744 Speaker 3: is about attainable aesthetic, very old school, kind of tried 512 00:22:13,784 --> 00:22:14,544 Speaker 3: wife stuff. 513 00:22:14,824 --> 00:22:18,024 Speaker 1: So if that's what Megan is doing, it's full of 514 00:22:18,064 --> 00:22:21,264 Speaker 1: the middle Americans. But that's what they like, Let them 515 00:22:21,304 --> 00:22:22,544 Speaker 1: be happy. 516 00:22:22,224 --> 00:22:25,104 Speaker 2: And yeah, but I think with Nara Smith, she's aware 517 00:22:25,144 --> 00:22:27,104 Speaker 2: of like how bizarre her life looks. 518 00:22:27,184 --> 00:22:29,824 Speaker 1: I actually do think recently she's being a bit silly. 519 00:22:30,024 --> 00:22:33,344 Speaker 2: Well that exactly now, she's playing into that. If you 520 00:22:33,384 --> 00:22:37,544 Speaker 2: see the hat, yes, explain for people who haven't seen it. 521 00:22:37,424 --> 00:22:39,184 Speaker 1: Like I haven't checked in with her for a while, 522 00:22:39,224 --> 00:22:40,264 Speaker 1: and I went to a pageant to it. 523 00:22:40,344 --> 00:22:43,704 Speaker 3: Oh my word, she's wearing what can only be described 524 00:22:43,864 --> 00:22:46,864 Speaker 3: as you would think it would be seen on a 525 00:22:46,904 --> 00:22:53,624 Speaker 3: Paris catwalk, a bit of millinery, millinery, like a fascinator hat. Yeah, hybrid, 526 00:22:54,304 --> 00:22:57,304 Speaker 3: just absolutely ridiculous. It looks like a parody version of 527 00:22:57,344 --> 00:22:59,144 Speaker 3: a hat that, yeah, you would see on a cutwalk. 528 00:22:59,184 --> 00:22:59,584 Speaker 1: And that's it. 529 00:23:00,184 --> 00:23:02,984 Speaker 3: And she's wearing it with a straight face in one 530 00:23:02,984 --> 00:23:03,464 Speaker 3: of her crique. 531 00:23:03,584 --> 00:23:05,704 Speaker 2: Well, exactly because she needs that little moments of like 532 00:23:05,824 --> 00:23:09,064 Speaker 2: quirkiness and shock factor to keep her audience tuning in. 533 00:23:09,504 --> 00:23:12,384 Speaker 2: And then I think something like that Megan Michael can't 534 00:23:12,424 --> 00:23:15,624 Speaker 2: like use those quirky moments as much because she's so 535 00:23:15,744 --> 00:23:18,024 Speaker 2: aware of the blowback, I know. But instead of that, 536 00:23:18,064 --> 00:23:20,384 Speaker 2: she's like, I'm going to champion women who have started 537 00:23:20,424 --> 00:23:23,504 Speaker 2: their own business. And yes, that feels very bland to us. Now, 538 00:23:23,624 --> 00:23:25,704 Speaker 2: I'm sure not bland toole who want to start a business. 539 00:23:25,704 --> 00:23:27,304 Speaker 2: Like if I were starting my own business, I'd be 540 00:23:27,344 --> 00:23:29,664 Speaker 2: listening to every podcast available about it and. 541 00:23:29,624 --> 00:23:32,544 Speaker 3: There's always a room for everyone and every sort of 542 00:23:32,624 --> 00:23:33,224 Speaker 3: like yeah. 543 00:23:33,264 --> 00:23:34,224 Speaker 1: Of course it's still going to. 544 00:23:34,224 --> 00:23:35,904 Speaker 2: Get But I think I think for her it just 545 00:23:35,904 --> 00:23:37,984 Speaker 2: seems like a safe space that she knows how to 546 00:23:38,024 --> 00:23:40,624 Speaker 2: play in because she knows the language. It's been around 547 00:23:40,664 --> 00:23:42,584 Speaker 2: for over ten years. An idea of like let's up 548 00:23:42,584 --> 00:23:44,544 Speaker 2: with women and how did you do that? And that's 549 00:23:44,584 --> 00:23:46,744 Speaker 2: incredible and obviously that's good bye. 550 00:23:47,384 --> 00:23:50,144 Speaker 1: A brand that has powersuits. 551 00:23:49,464 --> 00:23:51,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's some one's vibrno them and well we 552 00:23:51,344 --> 00:23:52,744 Speaker 2: don't know this wonts yet, So We'll have to see 553 00:23:52,744 --> 00:23:54,464 Speaker 2: who that is. Maybe it'll be her own little company 554 00:23:54,744 --> 00:23:56,824 Speaker 2: pushing it in there. But I think in that case, 555 00:23:56,824 --> 00:23:58,664 Speaker 2: like it seems like such a bland idea, but it's 556 00:23:58,704 --> 00:24:01,864 Speaker 2: just a bland idea that she feels safe in. And 557 00:24:01,904 --> 00:24:04,224 Speaker 2: I think her whole shtick at the moment is that 558 00:24:04,224 --> 00:24:07,104 Speaker 2: she's going to continue to cosplay as like a twenty 559 00:24:07,184 --> 00:24:09,624 Speaker 2: fifteen twenty ten influencer. 560 00:24:09,424 --> 00:24:10,584 Speaker 1: And e book is next. 561 00:24:10,744 --> 00:24:12,064 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh can you imagine? 562 00:24:12,184 --> 00:24:14,664 Speaker 1: And ebook is one hundred percent next. 563 00:24:14,744 --> 00:24:17,064 Speaker 2: I actually love if she went full retro. 564 00:24:16,864 --> 00:24:18,904 Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Yeah, and then an app will 565 00:24:18,944 --> 00:24:19,424 Speaker 1: do an app? 566 00:24:19,584 --> 00:24:21,464 Speaker 2: Oh, an app and love that and then on a 567 00:24:21,544 --> 00:24:25,824 Speaker 2: blog yeah exactly, of course. Well, thank you very much 568 00:24:25,824 --> 00:24:28,224 Speaker 2: for listening to the Spill today. As predicted, I've sunk 569 00:24:28,304 --> 00:24:30,024 Speaker 2: right down the couch because I just the more intense 570 00:24:30,064 --> 00:24:31,584 Speaker 2: I get, the further onto the floor. 571 00:24:31,704 --> 00:24:33,144 Speaker 1: And as predicted, I have not moved. 572 00:24:33,224 --> 00:24:36,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm really your posture is incredible. So if 573 00:24:36,264 --> 00:24:38,024 Speaker 2: you want more of the Spill, even though after that 574 00:24:38,064 --> 00:24:39,464 Speaker 2: you might be thinking I need a little bit of 575 00:24:39,504 --> 00:24:42,144 Speaker 2: a break, make sure you check out yesterday's episode because 576 00:24:42,424 --> 00:24:45,984 Speaker 2: it was just an odyssey of topics that we talked 577 00:24:46,024 --> 00:24:48,424 Speaker 2: about We talked about Chet Hanks, who talked about Kanye 578 00:24:48,504 --> 00:24:50,664 Speaker 2: West not together although they are very much the same. 579 00:24:50,824 --> 00:24:53,104 Speaker 2: We talked about Doughchi. It was a whole situation, so 580 00:24:53,184 --> 00:24:55,504 Speaker 2: make sure you don't listen to that, and Kelly will 581 00:24:55,544 --> 00:24:58,024 Speaker 2: be back to you with us next Tuesday. If you 582 00:24:58,144 --> 00:25:00,944 Speaker 2: have any wild topics that you want her honest opinion on, 583 00:25:01,104 --> 00:25:03,984 Speaker 2: let us know because that seems to you. You know, 584 00:25:04,024 --> 00:25:06,864 Speaker 2: I'll tell you unpopular opinions with Kelly and we'll see 585 00:25:06,864 --> 00:25:08,424 Speaker 2: you back in your podcast for you tomorrow. 586 00:25:08,504 --> 00:25:14,544 Speaker 1: Bye bye, Hella Llan Llan