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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 3: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 3: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 3: explore the stories of those who found lives They adore,

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Speaker 3: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 3: the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. Hello,

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Speaker 3: Lovely neighborhood. I spoke in last week's introduction about the

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Speaker 1: about management, about working coherently, and you know, within six

439
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: months of me working on their podcast, I came up

440
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: with the idea of a life of greatness and then

441
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, started that and had that on the side

442
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: whilst I was producing The Boys, And I actually was

443
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: producing true crime podcasts too, because I had an interest

444
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: in that, and so I asked them, can I produce

445
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 1: true crime? And they said that's fine, And to this

446
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: day I can't believe it. And as I said, I'm

447
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 1: not a religious person, but I am a spiritual person.

448
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: And the reason I am is because I've been given

449
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 1: these bread crumbs from the universe time and time again,

450
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: and it has served me so well. And I notice

451
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: now when things become unstable in my life, because as

452
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: I said to you earlier, they're always going to be

453
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 1: these speed bumps, right, And even though I know all

454
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: of this information, things still happen in my life that

455
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: shake me.

456
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 2: No one's immuneto that.

457
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 1: But I have the faith and knowledge that I'll always

458
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: be okay, right, and that allows me to get through.

459
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: The challenging times.

460
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's quite as a crazy, crazy story, but

461
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: that was how I ended up giving up that radio role,

462
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: not by choice, but by the universe really knocking me

463
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: on the back and saying, if you're not going to

464
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: do it, we'll do it for you.

465
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: Even with Hamish and Andy.

466
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: I had been there four years and I remember thinking,

467
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,959
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm going to I feel like it's

468
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: time to leave. I wanted to write a book and

469
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: do all these other things I thought I would never

470
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: in my life have thought that I would be the

471
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: one telling them that I wanted to leave.

472
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: I was so sure they would be like you're gone

473
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: or something like that.

474
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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, But I did it because I wanted to

475
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: finish on a high and I didn't want what happened

476
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: with the radio job to happen again. Right. I knew

477
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: that I needed to move away to do my dama,

478
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: my purpose, which is you know, bringing mindset and my

479
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: knowledge to more people. And as much as I loved

480
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: working with them, you know, it was taking up time.

481
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: I couldn't do what I wanted to, And so when

482
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: I decided to leave them, it was so beautiful and

483
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: they were so graceful because I did it.

484
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: On my terms.

485
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my gosh. And it's so interesting because I

486
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 3: had that same parallel as you, where the first big

487
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: pivot that ever happened was involuntary and a definite, but

488
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 3: like I don't even know, some kind of spiritual guardian

489
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 3: was giving me a big nudge that I never would

490
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 3: have taken myself. And I often think it makes me

491
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 3: shudder how long people will sit in familiar unhappiness because

492
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 3: it's more certain than unfamiliar happiness, Like I don't. It

493
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 3: just shocks me to think that you you would rather

494
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: be desperately unhappy in something with something that you know,

495
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: then take a step. But once the universe has given

496
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 3: you that push, it's so enlightening that suddenly you're like,

497
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 3: I can bring about that pivot. I don't have to

498
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: wait for the universe to do it for me. I

499
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: can take control. And that's been a massive lesson for

500
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 3: me as well. Is that you do start to get

501
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: signs that it's time for a new chap hundred percent,

502
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 3: and you're allowed to leave something good to go for

503
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: something great. And I think that's something I never knew

504
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: that I had permission to do. I thought that that

505
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 3: was ungrateful to focus on instrcent gratuity. I thought that

506
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 3: that was am I a millennial who just wants the

507
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 3: next big thing. But it's like, no, you outgrow chapters.

508
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 3: It's okay to take the next step. And I love

509
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: that you said you knew it was the right time,

510
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 3: because I think younger you probably wouldn't have been in

511
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 3: tune with the signs, but by then you'd realize, like,

512
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 3: this is how I know I need to.

513
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: Grow one hundred percent.

514
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: And younger me would have thought any man and their

515
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: dog would love this job. Leave this and you're not

516
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: going back because there's nothing else for me.

517
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

518
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: But it really like, I notice the way life plays

519
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: out for me. I take notice of what happens, and

520
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: I always think like, Okay, why did that happen? How

521
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: can I improve on that? How would I do that again?

522
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: And the radio job, it shook me. It shook me

523
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: when they said the job's moving to Sydney, and I

524
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: really thought, I don't want that to happen again, where

525
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm in this situation where, oh my goodness, what's going on.

526
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: So I knew that it was time to move away

527
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: from producing Hamish and Andy, and I did it. And

528
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: when I did it, it was just, you know, there

529
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: was no regrets. It just felt it just felt really natural.

530
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: And you know, it's not okay. I got a book

531
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: deal straight away and all this other stuff. Things took time,

532
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: but that was okay because I had the belief in

533
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: what I was doing was the right thing to do.

534
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 3: It's like this weird intuition that kicks in, and I

535
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 3: see it a lot in people's like tracing back from

536
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: the very beginning. You see the first few chapters in

537
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: people's career pathways are informed by different values and are

538
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: a lot more frictious, and then they reach this point

539
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: where they're decision making changes and it becomes more intuitive

540
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 3: and then it's easy. They're still risk and they're still fear,

541
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: but it's sort of a sure fear that it's the

542
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: right kind of risk to take.

543
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I feel like you become a lot wiser.

544
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: You know, you've gone through the other fires, you've realized, Okay,

545
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: how did that feel, how did that work? And so

546
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: you become wiser with your decisions. And sometimes things don't

547
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: work out the way that we'd planned, and that's okay

548
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: because sometimes those dead ends they're just detours into another.

549
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: Direction and that's absolutely okay.

550
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: And still in life, like I said, there are things

551
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: where I think, why did that happen? That's not ideal,

552
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: and then you never know what's around the corner or

553
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: who you met because that opportunity didn't quite go the

554
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: way you wanted or didn't go at all. There's always

555
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: something that leads you to where you need to be,

556
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: and it's not instantaneous.

557
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 3: Yes, oh my god, even though I want it to be,

558
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 3: we all do. And so you had started the podcast

559
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: in the background while you were still doing the show,

560
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: and I think that's also a really important point that

561
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: you know, we talk about these big leaps from one

562
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: thing to another, but often you've had it boiling in

563
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: the background, and I think there's a big risk mitigation

564
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 3: in you'd had the show for a couple of years.

565
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: It wasn't like you were leaving a show to start

566
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: a brand new show. You'd had a little bit of

567
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: data to prove that it was growing. But a big

568
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 3: thing for you in this story is going from an

569
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: ep behind the scenes to suddenly you're the talent. And

570
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: so for everyone listening, who has you know, been engaging

571
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: with my content about becoming a public speaker and how

572
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: nerve wracking that is? How did it go for you

573
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: at the beginning? Suddenly you were the Yeah? That terrifying?

574
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: Did it feel natural? Because you'd always been interested in acting?

575
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: How did you grow your ability to be a speaker

576
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 3: and to be so eloquent?

577
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: I love this question so much because two things. Because

578
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: the keynote speaking was one set of skills, and then

579
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: the interviewing was another. And with the interviewing, I didn't

580
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: find it as scary in saying that. Sure, the first

581
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: interview or two that ideas, I was obviously nervous because

582
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: you know.

583
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: It was new wish to me.

584
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: But as we were talking about earlier, my skill set

585
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: was then acting producing, So I had spent a long

586
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: period of time watching the way that talent from shows I.

587
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: Was producing would interview people.

588
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: I would then teach also as a producer, people had

589
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: like new talent how to interview people because I had

590
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: the acting skills to me being on a stage or

591
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: in front of a mike. I didn't find that to

592
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: be too scary obviously. Like anything, the more you do it,

593
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: the better you get at it. And you know, the

594
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: first few interviews ideas, they were okay. They weren't amazing,

595
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: they were okay, right, they were okay. And like anything

596
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: like an athlete does when they start to learn a

597
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: sport or whatever it is, practice makes perfect.

598
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: The more you do it, the better you get at it.

599
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: The public speaking, however, especially keynote speaking, as you know,

600
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: is so unbelievably overwhelming and daunting when you first did it.

601
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 1: And I will never forget the first time that I

602
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: did public speaking in front of a couple of hundred people.

603
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: I did not learn the speech off by heart like

604
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: that came with time, and so it was all written

605
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: out and I got up there and for a bit

606
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: of it I was holding the speech sah.

607
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: My hand was shaking so much.

608
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: That the paper was shaking with me, right, So I

609
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: was like, okay, put the paper down on the left

610
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: turn and I did it like that was it good?

611
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was not.

612
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: Thank God, you had a lecture exactly. I don't know

613
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: how nervous you would have any of you didn't have

614
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: something to stand behind.

615
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: Do you know what It's so embarrassing when your handshakes,

616
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: because then everyone knows that you're nervous too, because you think,

617
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: at least if I'm nervous, no one can see, right,

618
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: but when you're handshaking, everyone can see.

619
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: So I wasn't very good. I'm sure I wasn't good.

620
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: No one gave me that feedback, but I have no

621
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: doubt that I was not good. Again, what happens over

622
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: time you practice more and more. But I had been

623
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: given some advice, and this would be interesting for people

624
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: who are listening, because sometimes some bad advice, if you

625
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: go for it, it doesn't work out well.

626
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: So I got bad advice and then great advice.

627
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: I got given advice from people in the public speaking

628
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: arena that I.

629
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: Had to learn the speech that I had written out

630
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: word for word. Oh no, exactly.

631
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: So I didn't know because that was my first forte

632
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: into you know, doing keynotes. So I tried so hard

633
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: to learn the speech off by heart, and I could not,

634
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: and I would exactly well, I didn't know that.

635
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: So I got so tired. It was such a weird reaction.

636
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: I would go to learn.

637
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: And it's like my mind shut off and I would

638
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 1: start yawning and getting tired.

639
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: And then this was the worst bit.

640
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: I thought, there's something wrong with me, Like, why can't

641
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: I memorize this?

642
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: You know, ten page speech? Right? And I just put

643
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: it down for I reckon a good year. I just

644
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: thought it's not for me.

645
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: I'd love to be a keynote speaker and get my

646
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: messages across, but it's too hard. And I suppose some

647
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I do believe some people have that skill

648
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: set and some don't.

649
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: And so I gave it away.

650
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: And then beautiful Yelena dockitch Ca, love my god, she

651
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 1: gave me the best advice that changed my life. We

652
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: were talking one day and Yelena not only is she

653
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: a gorgeous person inside and out, she said to me,

654
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: she does so much keynote speaking right, and you know

655
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: her background's not acting or anything like that. And I said,

656
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: how do you do it? How did you get into it?

657
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Speaker 1: I told her about my challenges. She goes, oh, no,

658
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: you don't do that. She goes, just write it out

659
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: the first few you go do It's fine, you just

660
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: read it off the page and then you get more

661
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: and more used to what your content is. And then

662
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: she said, and then you add lib so you know

663
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: your stories. You use slides to direct you, and.

664
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: You can change it every time.

665
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: But you have the base of what you're going to

666
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: talk about, but the words in it might change. That's okay,

667
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: No one knows. She said something so critical, Sarah, these

668
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: are your stories, right, you know, these stories back to front.

669
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: And it was changed everything for me.

670
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: I started doing my speech. I've got a few speeches,

671
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: but I started doing it. I was like, these are

672
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: my stories practicing. Oh my god, I'm quite good at this.

673
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: And then I started you speaking and it flowed. But

674
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: it's so interesting how two pieces of advice changed me

675
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: in different ways. So for anyone out there, go for

676
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: the advice that you're Yeah, if you're interested in doing

677
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: keynote speaking, but just be careful about the advice people

678
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: give you, because really, if I had just left it

679
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: at that, that would have changed a lot of my

680
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: career because speaking is a big part of it.

681
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

682
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I think that is you know, people say

683
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: you're the sum of the five people you spend the

684
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: most time with. It doesn't have to be five, but

685
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,479
Speaker 3: anyone who you keep as your counsel, like make sure

686
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: that they're going to give you affirming, positive advice that

687
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: brings out the best in you.

688
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: Because it's really easy.

689
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: To shut down someone's confidence, yes, but it's also really

690
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: easy to boost it. And gosh, it makes me shut

691
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 3: out to think that you might never have I mean,

692
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 3: your keynotes are so powerful, but that you might never

693
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: have returned because of one person's opinion.

694
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I know, it's crazy, isn't it. And then

695
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: how another person's great advice changed everything show it's just

696
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: also on that how our words are so important that

697
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: we speak to others, and how we don't know what

698
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: we say, how that could change the trajectory of someone's life.

699
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: And I think, like your podcast is so good, like

700
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: that you have these beautiful conversations and even if it's

701
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: just one thing that someone listens to today, that could

702
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: change the direction of their life forever.

703
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: And what a gift is that?

704
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and your podcast too. I've always thought

705
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: that in telling these stories, even if people do only

706
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 3: take one tiny thing and it hits them at the

707
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 3: right time in their life, like that's more than a.

708
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: Metric for success hundred people.

709
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 3: I don't really care about anything else other than that

710
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 3: the impact of the one perl that you take out,

711
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 3: and I take that from other people's podcasts too. I

712
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: might listen to a whole podcast and go, well, the

713
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: thing that stood out isn't the thing I expected, but

714
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 3: it's this and that will stick with me forever. Having

715
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 3: done now, I think you've done nine seasons. It's been

716
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: seven years, and you've had some extraordinary guests as well

717
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: as doing your own episodes in between. So I can't

718
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: go past Matthew McConaughey because Wowl, Mel Robbins, Bindi Irwin,

719
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 3: Jada Pinkett, Smith, Daniel Ricardo, like such a variety of people.

720
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 3: What I think is the greatest privilege of having a

721
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 3: podcast is that we get to learn from these people

722
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: and the fact that anyone else is listening as a

723
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: bonus other than Elena's advice, Are there any other messages

724
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: that have just changed what you have thought about life

725
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: or the world, Like do you have a favorite episode

726
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: or a favorite guest or a couple of favorites that

727
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 3: just changed who you are?

728
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a great question.

729
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: There was a lady and you know, I'm sure you

730
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: actually wouldn't know who she is, which is always funny,

731
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: isn't it, Because I mean, the biggest, so amazing things,

732
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: but it's the ones that are not as known, and

733
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: she she does have a public for sewn up better.

734
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: Not as well known.

735
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: In Australia is a lady called Caroline Mace, and she's

736
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: a medi cointuitive but you know, she doesn't so much

737
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: talk about her work, and I don't think she does

738
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: so much of that work anymore.

739
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: But she's a spiritual teacher and she's older and she's

740
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: so wise.

741
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: And she said this line to me that I will

742
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: never forget, and I think about often and it's so simple,

743
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: but it's so powerful. She said, no day of your

744
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: life will ever come again.

745
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: And I often think that.

746
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: When a day's been hard, or we just want to

747
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: see out the week, or you know, when we're young

748
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: and you know, we've got a young child and it

749
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: seems like we're wishing the time away because they're going

750
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: through a hard stage or whatever it is. And then

751
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: when I think about, no day of your life will

752
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: ever come again, it just puts everything into perspective where

753
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: we see people and they die early, or you know,

754
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: something happens that's a true tragedy, and we think, why

755
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: did we sweat the small stuff?

756
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: Right?

757
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: Life is so finite, and sometimes we take it for granted,

758
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: which is normal. But when we think about that line,

759
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: no day of your life will ever come again, it

760
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: just sticks with you and allows you to be more

761
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: present and realize that life is more of a gift

762
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: than something that we just want to get to the

763
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: end of the week with.

764
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: So I think what she said, you know, really really

765
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: hits home with me a lot.

766
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: God, there are so many people, you know, there's obviously

767
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: like scientific advice that I've been given, which I think

768
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: is really interesting. Like Andrew Huberman who talks about going

769
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: into the sun.

770
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 3: Series was amazing. It was a two part you did

771
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: a two part of.

772
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: It was one.

773
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: It was a very long episode because he talks a lot.

774
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: It could have been two part for sure, you know.

775
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: But something like that, which is just something so simple

776
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: about morning sunlight, It really was life changing for so

777
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: many people that listen to that episode and for me

778
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: as well. So something like that is so poignant, you know.

779
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: Someone else on the podcast said recently that were talking

780
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: about how we think with our parents. You know, this

781
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: happens a lot, I think for people who don't have

782
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: parents that obviously live in the same country as them.

783
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: He was talking about the amount of times that you

784
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: see your parents, and if you see them a couple

785
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: of times a year or something like that, and there

786
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: are a certain age, well, how many more times will

787
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: you see them? And then when you think about it

788
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: like that, oh my god, it could be a couple

789
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: of handfuls of times. Again, it goes back to the

790
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: whole idea of you know, not taking life for granteds

791
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: not sweating the small stuff, making the most out of

792
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: the relationships that we love and cherish. Those are the

793
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: things that I love. Yeah, They're the deep things that

794
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: talk to life at its truest form. They're the things

795
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 1: that always hit me the hardest, and it just goes

796
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: with who I am as a person I love. I

797
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: love that sort of content as well.

798
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 3: Yes, so do I. I think your most recent episode

799
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: was a hospice nurse and like, oh, on its face

800
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: it sounds morbid, but there is so much to gain

801
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 3: from the life you live now from people reflecting a little.

802
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: It further along and that book The Five Regrets of

803
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 3: the dying. I talk about it all the time. Even

804
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: though it sounds the opposite of yay, it's actually the

805
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 3: most instructive on how to get more yay out of

806
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: the years that you do have. Listening to people say

807
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: they no one wishes they spent more time at work

808
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 3: at the cost of family, or that they you know,

809
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: were more successful and spent less time having fun. Like

810
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 3: there's just these metrics that we get so much about.

811
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,959
Speaker 3: It's very, very sobering and such a good perspective giver.

812
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 3: Another thing that you do so well, as you mentioned before,

813
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: is you have so many transferable skills in pitching to

814
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: get these incredible guests, and not just for anyone who

815
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 3: also is pitching things to people or has a podcast,

816
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: but even just in life generally. You're so good at

817
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 3: asking the question. And I think that's the thing we're

818
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 3: so scared about all the time is what if they

819
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: say no, So we don't ask whether it's a promotion,

820
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 3: whether it's getting a guest on your podcast, Like I'm

821
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 3: sure you didn't ask Matthew McConaughey and assume he would

822
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: say yes. What are some of your tips for asking

823
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 3: big questions that are scary or asking the universe like

824
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: you said you manifested that day. I think often people

825
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 3: don't get what they want, but they've never asked for it. Yes,

826
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: you can't win the lottery if you didn't buy a ticket, dude,

827
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: like you have to ask the question. Your name has

828
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 3: to be in the ring for you to get that opportunity.

829
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard There's this great fable about this

830
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: guy when he was praying to God and said, you know,

831
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: all I want to do is win ten million dollars

832
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: at the.

833
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: Lottery, And every day he would pray, and you would pray, Oh, yes,

834
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: you bought a ticket.

835
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he gets to the end of the his life.

836
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: He goes to heave and he sees God, and he goes,

837
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: why can you give me the ten million? And God says,

838
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: you need it to go and buy the ticket. Right,

839
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: exactly true. It's so true. And I think, look, what

840
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: are we fearing?

841
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: Rejection?

842
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: What's the underlying fear here? I do this for everything

843
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: when I think, oh, I'm the worst, what's the worst

844
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: case scenario? And usually the worst case scenario is not

845
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: that bad, right, Okay, So this is what I'm fearing, honestly,

846
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: Like we're not going to get everything in life. I

847
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: mean I have said Noah's been said to me a

848
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: lot of times, and sometimes it does hurt a little bit,

849
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: especially if you then see someone then then can get

850
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: the opportunity and you didn't get it, and you think, oh,

851
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: what is it about them and not with me? Well

852
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: it goes back to just having the faith that it's

853
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: not your turn right now, and maybe something better is

854
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: going to come along or something different, and that's absolutely okay.

855
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: I mean as far as guests are concerned. I got

856
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: some again great advice early on from a friend of

857
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: mine that is in sales.

858
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: She said to me, Sarah, when you're in sales, you

859
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 2: harden up.

860
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: You put out that many pictures and people either come

861
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: or they don't. And she goes, I put so many

862
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: out I don't even remember who I put them out to.

863
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: She goes, you just start pitching to guests and you'll

864
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: forget half the people.

865
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: You've pitched to. And it was such great advice because

866
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: I didn't really care.

867
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't putting all my eggs in one basket with

868
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: like Matthew McConaughey or something like that. I was putting

869
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: out to all these other people that I couldn't even

870
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: remember everyone that I had pitched to, So when they

871
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: came back, I was like.

872
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I forgot idea. Yeah, I forgot I'd even

873
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: pitched to that, And that was really good.

874
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: And Mel Robbins actually said the same thing on my

875
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: podcast when we were talking about doing business deals and

876
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: things like that and when they were taking time and

877
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: how you know you would know this With big deals,

878
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: they can sit for six months, you go back and forward,

879
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: or you know, sometimes the person takes a while to

880
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: send a contract through whatever it is, and you know,

881
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: you start.

882
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: Doing your head in.

883
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: She said, don't rely on that one thing, go and

884
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: pitch to other places as well, or go and try

885
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: and pitch a new idea to someone else. And again

886
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: it's that same idea where if we're scared of rejection,

887
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: don't focus on that one thing, put out to many

888
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: because you just don't know what will come back. And then,

889
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: like anything, you kind of get used to it, right

890
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: because you don't put as much weight on just one.

891
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: And I think that's really been some advice and for

892
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: anyone listening, I think that is very very helpful. And

893
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: like anything, the more you do it, the more you

894
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: get immune to it. So people say no here and

895
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: there whatever, they're lost totally.

896
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 3: And I also think that a lot of it is timing.

897
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: Like my biggest tip with guests that you want is

898
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 3: there's a time in everyone's career where they'll be about

899
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 3: to sell something, and just ask in the right timing.

900
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 3: Like if Matthew mcconaugheys said no to you, and then

901
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: like two years later you saw he was about to

902
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: bring out a book, Like, why wouldn't you ask again,

903
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: because he's probably going to be saying yes to a

904
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 3: lot more interviews just before the book, yeah, than he

905
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 3: is in any other time. And so the biggest guests

906
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: I've ever got were during COVID because we were doing nothing,

907
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 3: and so I was like, God, they're probably like willing

908
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: because they're at home board And so it's funny about timing,

909
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: Like I had no shame in asking twice for some

910
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: people who had said no earlier, but now that they

911
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 3: were at home doing nothing, they were like sure, And

912
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: you just got to not have as much shame or

913
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: fear of embarrassment. Totally cares if they say no, it's

914
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 3: not big deal.

915
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: It's not a big deal.

916
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: Can I tell you I can't even remember the amount

917
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: of pictures I did for mel Robins before she came

918
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: on the podcast over the last five years, because I've

919
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: known about her for a long time, and she had

920
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: other books that were successful, but not as like you know,

921
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: the let them theory is like you know, Juggernaut. Obviously

922
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: I would hear like sometimes back, mostly not, And I

923
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: just kept sending.

924
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: I wasn't obviously didn't have her email.

925
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was sending to god knows where, you know,

926
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: maybe through the website or whatever it was. I think

927
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: I would have sent three fifteen pictures over the last

928
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: five years that ended nowhere fast. And what happens, she

929
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: is the biggest she's ever been over the last year

930
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: or two. She has this book which is going to

931
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: be one of the biggest books of its time. And

932
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: that is when I get her.

933
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't that fascinating?

934
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

935
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: And I didn't, like you said, it doesn't matter if

936
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: you send a couple of times. I mean a lot

937
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: of the time. What I've noticed with pictures too, sometimes

938
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: you don't send to the right place.

939
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, the right person, Yeah, yea one hundred percent, And

940
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: so you get the right number and then suddenly they're like,

941
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: we would have said yes years ago, and I'm like,

942
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: I didn't have your email.

943
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: It's so funny.

944
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: And this Caroline lady I was talking about, this is

945
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: an interesting story where I was just like inboxing through

946
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: her website because it had like a form nothing. And

947
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: then I went on Instagram and I don't think she

948
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: runs her own page, and I saw a page that

949
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: seemed to have her stuff that look legit, and it

950
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: had someone's email, and I thought it wasn't her email,

951
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: and I thought, I'm just going to send my pitch,

952
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: and then the guy then forwarded it to her and

953
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: within one day she told me she could come on

954
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: the podcast.

955
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: After about three years of sending to the official channel.

956
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: Ah, you definitely anyone listening. You have to get creative

957
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: if you want to you have to become like a

958
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 3: PI who's going deep into old instagrams and websites and

959
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: articles with like like, I have mostly got yeses from

960
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 3: very unconventional means.

961
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: What's the craziest, weirdest one that you've done?

962
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 3: I think probably just random DM yes like ones that

963
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: I threw out with an emoji or something like hahaha.

964
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: Imagine if it came my podcast, like really unofficial, just

965
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: random thinking absolutely, no way will they ever see this?

966
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: And then they go sure, and you're like, what, I

967
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: literally pitched this full seven page document to your official

968
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 3: You know it's you just have to get through the gates. Yes,

969
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: And I think you have to try a few gates.

970
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do.

971
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: I remember there was this one guy years ago. He

972
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: was like he was his amazing army guy, ex army guy,

973
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: and I was trying everywhere and nothing worked. And then I,

974
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: through the Internet found that he had worked at a

975
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: university at a period of time. So I emailed my

976
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: pitch to the university, thinking again like who knows, and

977
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: again same with what happened with Caroline.

978
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: They just aforded it to him. Yeah, so you have

979
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: to be so creative and don't give up.

980
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: And no, he's not, we learned him producing and no

981
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: is only a no when you get no from the person.

982
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: That's such good advice.

983
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: Yes, because they have gay keepers and they often don't

984
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: get even asked.

985
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: Yes, I found out a lot too. The gatekeepers doesn't

986
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: mean always that. I mean I was that for a

987
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: long period of time. It doesn't mean and I did

988
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: always show to the talent. Do you want this person on?

989
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: Even if I thought maybe they wouldn't. It's not up

990
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: to me to make that decision. But sometimes it doesn't

991
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: lead to the talent, and the gatekeeper is the one

992
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: saying no without asking the talent.

993
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, there you go. Who would your dream guest

994
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 3: be if you could manifest? Right now? The universe is listening.

995
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: The person that I would actually really love on I

996
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: have tried on numerous occasions is Nick cave I. I

997
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: went to see him a year or two ago. I

998
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: think he plays in Melbourne. I actually know his stuff

999
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: that much like I knew a couple of songs.

1000
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: It was unbelievable.

1001
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm a real story person, and his

1002
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: story of grief and his beautiful music and what he's

1003
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: been through is incredible. And he has these like Redhand Files,

1004
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: which is a newsletter that he puts out maybe once

1005
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: a fortnite and someone writes a question, like a very

1006
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: meaningful question, and then he just answers it. And he's

1007
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: the very type that I like, really deep, really thoughtful,

1008
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: and I think his journey is just one that I'd

1009
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: love to chat to him about.

1010
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 3: Oh, I would love to hear that episode Who's Yours?

1011
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 3: I think if I was going really big names, I

1012
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: would love to speak with Keanu Reeves for the same reason. Yeah,

1013
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 3: for that unique ability to be as famous as he

1014
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: is and yet have so many stories of humility and normalcy,

1015
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 3: with intense tragedy and so much grief, but finding somehow

1016
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 3: the capacity to be kind and find joy. I just

1017
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 3: think he would be fascinating to speak with. I mean,

1018
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 3: there's so many, but he's one that comes to mind

1019
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 3: often where I'm like, what makes your brain joy that

1020
00:49:59,320 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 3: it does?

1021
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: I've heard amazing, you know, his story is amazing. Another

1022
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: one on that's actually Jim Carey. He is fascinating. Yeah, again,

1023
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: been through Helen back, but his story of like growing

1024
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: up in poverty and then literally manifesting work and money,

1025
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: and how he used to drive the streets of la

1026
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: imagining himself there in the big House and having like

1027
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: a pretend one hundred dollars, like a few I don't know, No,

1028
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: I think he had. Actually it was he had a

1029
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: pretend check for like a million dollars in his pocket

1030
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: that he used to have, and then he did some

1031
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,959
Speaker 1: movie and they gave him a million dollars. So he's

1032
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, a really deep person as well. There are

1033
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 1: so many beautiful people.

1034
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 3: I think of people like I want their brains. I

1035
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: want to crawl inside their brain and see how it ticks.

1036
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: And I feel like some people's brains you see it,

1037
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 3: like Keanu does things that you're like, I just want

1038
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 3: to know what you were thinking, Whereas some people just

1039
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 3: kind of do their life and it doesn't fascinate me

1040
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 3: as much. Like everyone has a fascinating story, but he's

1041
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 3: definitely someone like I want to hear what your version

1042
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 3: of that is.

1043
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: I hope you get in.

1044
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: Oh, well, I haven't even asked, so maybe this is

1045
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 3: my sign. We should actually just go on email seriously,

1046
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 3: sisters cousins Dogwalker, Yeah, and we'll get so true. You've

1047
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 3: got to ask the question if there was anything other

1048
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 3: than that advice. I mean, you have had yeah, nine

1049
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 3: seasons of picking incredible brains about living a life of

1050
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: greatness and written a book and done so many keynotes,

1051
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,959
Speaker 3: and I just filled with wisdom on enhancing your life

1052
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 3: in so many ways and from so many different angles.

1053
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 3: If you could leave our audience with one thing, what

1054
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 3: would it be.

1055
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: I think it's to live a life of authenticity and

1056
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: It keeps coming up time and time again with every

1057
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: guest that I interview, and I even think about it

1058
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: for myself. I think, you know, what does that mean?

1059
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: People might be asking, you know, when we're young, and

1060
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: I see it now in my daughter. We want to

1061
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: be what everyone else is, and that's completely normal. You know,

1062
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: someone has the red skirt, we want the red skirt.

1063
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: They do their hair certain way, we want to do

1064
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: our hair cittain way. We want to fit in right,

1065
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: and we're not really living true to what we want

1066
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: because maybe by you know, when we're young, we don't

1067
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: really know what that is. When we get older, we

1068
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: understand the things that we like and the things that

1069
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: we don't like. But some of us just keep doing

1070
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,959
Speaker 1: things for the sake of fitting in or the sake

1071
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: of making our parents happy or our partner happy. And then,

1072
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: you know, going back to the deathbed where they're going,

1073
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: this isn't the life that I wanted to live. And

1074
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: I think for me, I always had that thing within

1075
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: me that I wanted to do acting and entertainment, and

1076
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, I went there a very long and windy journey.

1077
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: As we've discussed, but I got.

1078
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: There in the end and I couldn't be in a

1079
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: position where I feel any happier than where I am

1080
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: now with what I'm doing, because I feel like I'm

1081
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: hitting the part of me that liked the creativity and

1082
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: being in the entertainment realm. But I also am giving

1083
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: back and that is the most important thing to me.

1084
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 1: To be able to change people's lives through the wisdom

1085
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 1: that I share and other people's conversations. That is more

1086
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: meaningful to me than anything else. So I think if

1087
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: we can live in authenticity to us and have a

1088
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: part of that be of service to help other people.

1089
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: I always say this beautiful quote by the spirit the

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Speaker 1: late spiritual teacher around us, which is we're all here

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Speaker 1: to walk each other home. And I truly believe that,

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Speaker 1: and if we're working to our highest potential, then that

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Speaker 1: comes very naturally.

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Speaker 2: So I think that.

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Speaker 1: Would be the biggest gift that I could share with

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Speaker 1: people and advice that I would give them.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's beautiful, and there is so much more on

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Speaker 3: your incredible podcast. I will make sure to include links

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Speaker 3: to that and your book in the show notes. And

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for doing.

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Speaker 2: Us, Sarah, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I've loved this conversation immensely, so thank you for having

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Speaker 1: me Ah two.

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Speaker 3: Podcasting Sarah's was always going to make for a fascinating chat.

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Speaker 3: I hope you enjoyed this one and took away as

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Speaker 3: many revelations and our har moments as I did, and

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Speaker 3: as I always do when I'm so lucky to spend

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Speaker 3: time with Sarah. Please, as always show her your support

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Speaker 3: sharing the episode or any of hers too, tagging both

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Speaker 3: Sarah and us at CZA so we can grow the

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Speaker 3: yighborhood as far and wide as possible. There is so

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Speaker 3: much going on this time of year, my goodness, and

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Speaker 3: our live event with Headley Thomas is rapidly approaching, so

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Speaker 3: I cannot wait to see some of you in the flesh.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, I hope you're having a wonderful week

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Speaker 3: and are seizing your yay