1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:19,113 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:23,114 --> 00:00:25,754 Speaker 2: So there are a few topics that everyone is speaking 3 00:00:25,754 --> 00:00:29,234 Speaker 2: about about part one of Bridgeton Series four. The first 4 00:00:29,234 --> 00:00:31,434 Speaker 2: one is obviously the scene on the staircase, and we 5 00:00:31,474 --> 00:00:35,394 Speaker 2: went into that in graphic detail last episode. But the 6 00:00:35,434 --> 00:00:36,954 Speaker 2: other thing we need to talk about is like the 7 00:00:36,994 --> 00:00:40,434 Speaker 2: silver elephant in the room, and that is why is 8 00:00:40,473 --> 00:00:44,714 Speaker 2: Benedict not recognizing Sophie. So Tina Burke sat down with 9 00:00:44,754 --> 00:00:47,553 Speaker 2: showrunner Jess Brownell, who told us there's a deeper and 10 00:00:47,714 --> 00:00:52,353 Speaker 2: more heartbreaking reason for her blindness, a total invisibility for 11 00:00:52,434 --> 00:00:54,394 Speaker 2: the servant class in high society. A. 12 00:00:54,674 --> 00:00:58,753 Speaker 3: It's a little hopefully willing suspension of this belie. Now 13 00:00:58,794 --> 00:01:01,674 Speaker 3: we are in a fantasy world, but b I think 14 00:01:01,714 --> 00:01:07,313 Speaker 3: it hopefully does provide a commentary on the power of 15 00:01:07,394 --> 00:01:10,914 Speaker 3: class in that era. And I think when when Benedict 16 00:01:10,954 --> 00:01:13,874 Speaker 3: remeets Sophie, the fact that he doesn't recognize her, a 17 00:01:13,914 --> 00:01:17,594 Speaker 3: big part of that is he just would never imagine 18 00:01:17,634 --> 00:01:21,194 Speaker 3: that this masked woman, a lady who he has been 19 00:01:21,234 --> 00:01:24,434 Speaker 3: looking for the last few months, could possibly be a maid. 20 00:01:24,514 --> 00:01:27,354 Speaker 3: I think, you know, the servant class were unfortunately so 21 00:01:27,474 --> 00:01:31,034 Speaker 3: invisible to people in society at that point. In time, 22 00:01:31,114 --> 00:01:33,474 Speaker 3: So that's something we're relying on a bit. 23 00:01:33,794 --> 00:01:36,514 Speaker 4: When I hear that, I just think about Hillary Duff 24 00:01:36,514 --> 00:01:40,754 Speaker 4: and Chad Michael murray Cinderella story because it is I mean, well, 25 00:01:40,754 --> 00:01:43,274 Speaker 4: we aren't doing the Cinderella Story, but I feel the 26 00:01:43,314 --> 00:01:46,194 Speaker 4: exact same trope of how does he not recognize her? 27 00:01:46,234 --> 00:01:48,594 Speaker 4: But he is the football guy and she's the geeky 28 00:01:48,634 --> 00:01:51,354 Speaker 4: girl who is a servant in her working life. So 29 00:01:51,794 --> 00:01:54,514 Speaker 4: for her, she also thinks he would never even think 30 00:01:54,594 --> 00:01:55,354 Speaker 4: to think of her. 31 00:01:55,914 --> 00:01:56,514 Speaker 5: It is sad. 32 00:01:56,714 --> 00:01:57,874 Speaker 4: I do feel sad about it. 33 00:01:57,874 --> 00:02:00,474 Speaker 5: It is in Cinderella. Does she wear a mask like 34 00:02:00,514 --> 00:02:01,354 Speaker 5: in the fairy tale? 35 00:02:01,714 --> 00:02:03,834 Speaker 4: Or is it just it's just a glass slipper? 36 00:02:03,994 --> 00:02:05,594 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, But I think he doesn't know her 37 00:02:05,594 --> 00:02:06,634 Speaker 2: because she's just a servant. 38 00:02:06,874 --> 00:02:07,114 Speaker 3: Yeah. 39 00:02:07,154 --> 00:02:12,073 Speaker 2: Whereas Benedict actually cannot compute, like his little man's brain 40 00:02:12,394 --> 00:02:15,274 Speaker 2: cannot get around the fact that this is not a lady. 41 00:02:15,434 --> 00:02:17,594 Speaker 2: He just sees Sophie in a box. And Luke Thompson 42 00:02:17,634 --> 00:02:20,554 Speaker 2: really describes it as a flaw in Benedict's character that 43 00:02:20,674 --> 00:02:23,234 Speaker 2: he separated into his mind this fantasy box of the 44 00:02:23,314 --> 00:02:25,914 Speaker 2: lady in silver and the reality box of Sophie. 45 00:02:26,034 --> 00:02:29,794 Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think it's probably a flaw in everyone's character, 46 00:02:29,834 --> 00:02:33,234 Speaker 5: a part of the ton because naturally the upstairs downstairs 47 00:02:33,314 --> 00:02:37,154 Speaker 5: dynamic is something that everyone's talking about online as well. 48 00:02:37,674 --> 00:02:42,954 Speaker 5: Now there's two camps online. People have coined it Benedict's blindness, 49 00:02:43,154 --> 00:02:47,274 Speaker 5: so that's what's being hashtagged the defense It was dark. 50 00:02:49,874 --> 00:02:52,514 Speaker 4: They were lit by whimsical fairy lights. Were not fairy 51 00:02:52,554 --> 00:02:54,714 Speaker 4: lights because they don't have electricity, but they were lit. 52 00:02:54,874 --> 00:02:56,874 Speaker 5: This is genuinely what people are saying. They were going 53 00:02:56,914 --> 00:03:01,194 Speaker 5: it was dark guys. Second, Violet does say that he 54 00:03:01,274 --> 00:03:04,314 Speaker 5: smells like gin, so people are saying he was very 55 00:03:04,594 --> 00:03:10,634 Speaker 5: obviously inebriated, making his kind of memory and visuals a 56 00:03:10,634 --> 00:03:13,154 Speaker 5: bit clouded. I would like to come in and say, 57 00:03:13,434 --> 00:03:17,714 Speaker 5: that's a little interesting because he does start drawing Sophie 58 00:03:17,954 --> 00:03:18,914 Speaker 5: almost perfectly. 59 00:03:19,034 --> 00:03:20,274 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, Jingod was there. 60 00:03:20,474 --> 00:03:23,634 Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's not like he doesn't remember. And then 61 00:03:23,634 --> 00:03:27,034 Speaker 5: there's the huge mental block, right, like he's not looking 62 00:03:27,674 --> 00:03:31,114 Speaker 5: for a maid, he's looking for a lady ultimately, and 63 00:03:31,194 --> 00:03:33,314 Speaker 5: we yes, it's a flaw in his character, but can 64 00:03:33,354 --> 00:03:34,194 Speaker 5: we really blame him. 65 00:03:34,874 --> 00:03:38,034 Speaker 4: It's interesting that he does reunite with Sophie not within 66 00:03:38,074 --> 00:03:40,354 Speaker 4: the realm of where the ball was as well. So 67 00:03:40,474 --> 00:03:43,634 Speaker 4: that is actually I will give him that that he 68 00:03:43,634 --> 00:03:46,274 Speaker 4: wouldn't put her in that place because he met her 69 00:03:46,314 --> 00:03:50,474 Speaker 4: at that Ushole's house and protected her and the other maid. 70 00:03:50,594 --> 00:03:53,114 Speaker 4: So I will give him the benefit of the doubt 71 00:03:53,114 --> 00:03:54,994 Speaker 4: that she might not live in the ton. 72 00:03:55,674 --> 00:03:58,554 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what's called the missus doubt fire effect. So 73 00:03:58,634 --> 00:04:01,354 Speaker 2: it means that it's crazier to recognize someone out of 74 00:04:01,394 --> 00:04:04,074 Speaker 2: context than to accept the world that they're currently in. 75 00:04:04,354 --> 00:04:07,354 Speaker 5: Yeah. So is that a real psychological situation that happens 76 00:04:07,354 --> 00:04:08,354 Speaker 5: to people in real life too? 77 00:04:08,754 --> 00:04:08,994 Speaker 3: Yeah? 78 00:04:09,354 --> 00:04:12,074 Speaker 5: I didn't make it up. It would be like I 79 00:04:12,114 --> 00:04:15,314 Speaker 5: feel sometimes when it happens to me too, when I 80 00:04:15,514 --> 00:04:17,873 Speaker 5: will see someone that I work with outside of work, 81 00:04:17,954 --> 00:04:18,994 Speaker 5: and I'll be like, whoa. 82 00:04:19,034 --> 00:04:21,073 Speaker 4: You fell their name as well, like I know who 83 00:04:21,113 --> 00:04:21,674 Speaker 4: you are. 84 00:04:21,753 --> 00:04:24,313 Speaker 5: And I start acting differently too, and I'm like, I 85 00:04:24,313 --> 00:04:25,234 Speaker 5: forget who I am. 86 00:04:25,313 --> 00:04:25,714 Speaker 3: I'm like. 87 00:04:38,034 --> 00:04:41,113 Speaker 5: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. 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