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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia out Loud and to our Friday show where

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Speaker 2: we take a break from the news cycle and breathe

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Speaker 2: out Today my friends, It's Friday, the fifth of July,

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Speaker 2: and I'm Hollywaynwright, I'm Mea Friedman.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to hear more from us, why

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Speaker 2: wouldn't you want to hear more from us?

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a weekend ahead, so you're playing the time

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Speaker 3: all this time and you're wondering what you should listen to.

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Speaker 2: It was the last of season one of Mid. Do

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Speaker 2: not worry if you like MID, and if you don't,

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Speaker 2: why not go listen to it? But Mid is the

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Speaker 2: show I host for gen X women and it's thoughtful conversations.

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Speaker 2: And the last one of season one is with Christine Arnou.

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Speaker 2: You know who she is. She's a bloody icon, but

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Speaker 2: it's just the most amazing, frank conversation. She talks about

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Speaker 2: everything from how she was so flattened by a divorce

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Speaker 2: she couldn't get out of and she very much had

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Speaker 2: to rely on her kids and how she thinks that

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Speaker 2: was probably quite a good thing for them to see

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Speaker 2: that they could look after her sometimes. She also talks

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Speaker 2: about what it's like as an indigenous woman Christine and

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Speaker 2: look very different and so the world reacts to them

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Speaker 2: very differently. That was a really fascinating part of the conversation.

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Speaker 2: And she also just talked about addiction, about what happens

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Speaker 2: when the pop music industry decided you're too old. It's

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Speaker 2: a great conversation. Go and listen to it and we'll

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Speaker 2: be back. The season two have mad really quickly.

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Speaker 1: I interviewed on lo Field this week. Some blokes don't

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Speaker 1: there made some new friends. Jimmy and nath have a

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Speaker 1: radio show. I honestly wouldn't even know how to listen

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Speaker 2: An I'm also I'm only laughing because I love how

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Speaker 2: then my new best friends.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I know they've then compared to Homie Nandy, but they

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Speaker 1: are younger and they are like quite feminist, and Jimmy

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Speaker 1: has mental health struggles. Nath has his own real life

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Speaker 1: interesting story. His wife has cystic fibrosis and they're best friends.

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Speaker 1: They worked together. They're really interesting and it was very

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Speaker 1: sort of candid the conversation on canceled.

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Speaker 3: We did Katy Perry, which is interesting news cycle.

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Speaker 1: We didn't talk about that so out louders if you

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Speaker 1: haven't seen that photo that's gone everywhere. She's at some

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Speaker 3: Now, there have been a lot of Katie Perry controversies

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Speaker 3: over the year, cause she's been around for a long

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Speaker 1: Just relaunching career relaunching.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and remember obviously her Russell Brand marriage and now

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Speaker 3: she's with Orlando Bloom. Anyway, so we talk about everything

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Speaker 3: from her alleged feud with Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 2: You might have forgotten about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they made up in that video clip. And I

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Speaker 1: remember she did that film clip Katie Perry where whipped

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we talk about all of that.

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Speaker 3: It was a really really fun one. That's the most

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Speaker 3: recent episode of canceled.

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Speaker 1: We will put a link to all of those episodes

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Speaker 1: because why wouldn't you.

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Speaker 2: On today's show? Why did one of the world's biggest

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Speaker 2: superstars decide to let a film crew record her very

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Speaker 2: lowest times? Also recommendations which include a show that will

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Speaker 2: The Freak Kidd and a lesson Never learned, a very

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Speaker 2: and worst. But first, Mia Friedman.

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Speaker 1: If you were a day of the week, what day

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Speaker 3: What are you asking me? Are you asking me what

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Speaker 1: In no, so, your whole personality can be summed up

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Speaker 3: Can I guess yours?

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Speaker 1: You can? But before you do, I'm going to come down.

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Speaker 1: She wrote a piece on Mamma Meir about it this

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Speaker 1: week that's gone off. So you do this little quiz

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Speaker 1: you love holding that position. If you're a Monday, you

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Speaker 1: have your entire month planned out. Yeah, Tuesday, you love

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Speaker 1: fulfillment from both work and leisure. You love the feeling

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Speaker 1: think you are Wednesday. If you're a Wednesday, you are

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Speaker 1: among the other louder personalities. I'm looking at you Thursdays,

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Speaker 1: which we're about to get to. But that just makes

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Speaker 1: you more powerful. One of your biggest strengths as a

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Speaker 1: Wednesday is listening, making you a keeper of all the secrets.

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Speaker 1: Thursdays love a fun time, but not a long time.

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Speaker 1: You want to be home by nine pm us, but

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Speaker 1: The minute everyone finds out that a Thursday is coming,

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Speaker 1: love tapping into that creative side of your mind. A Thursday, okay,

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Speaker 1: so Friday. You live your life so carefree that we

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Speaker 2: Well, that's true, but the rest of it.

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Speaker 1: Friday is the life of the party. Saturday you're ready.

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Speaker 1: Saturday's prioritize their leisure and relaxation over anything else. You

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Speaker 1: have one question for you. What's your hobby? I know

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Speaker 3: On a Saturday.

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Speaker 2: I like not I like you're a mad worker.

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Speaker 1: I'd like you whole, but also not. Okay, final day Sunday.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to go vibe. My vibe when you

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Speaker 3: You're just living in the joy of knowing freedom, anticipatory.

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Speaker 2: But I'm clearly not a Friday. I want to be

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Speaker 2: just said I was Sunday and it said you are

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Speaker 1: Was like, no, I'm not Eric, I'm actually a Monday.

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Speaker 3: You're just sad, I think, day am.

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Speaker 1: I I haven't done the quiz for you. Bloody hell?

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Speaker 5: My voice.

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Speaker 7: Is the conductor of my life. When your voice brings

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Speaker 7: you joy, my kid, check in, you're the best of yourself.

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Speaker 3: Last Friday night, I found myself watching one hour and

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Speaker 3: forty three minutes of a documentary about Selene Dion, which

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Speaker 3: watched the documentary. Most notably, the Canadian singer was diagnosed

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Speaker 3: decades before her diagnosis, she was dealing with spasms and pain.

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Speaker 3: She was on a lot of medication. There are points

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Speaker 3: she was taking in order to even perform. SPS affects

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Speaker 3: in the documentary, Dion explained what SPS is.

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Speaker 6: Here's what she said, and today diagnosis SPS, which is

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Speaker 6: stiff person's central It's in the muscle, it's in attendance,

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Speaker 6: it's in the nerves. You can't see anything because it's

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Speaker 3: On top of how debilitating this disorder is, it has

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Speaker 7: When I try to breathe. My lungs are fine. It's

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Speaker 7: what's in front of my lungs.

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Speaker 5: That's so rigid.

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Speaker 7: It's like, I know you, that's what happens.

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Speaker 1: It's like I know what I want.

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Speaker 3: To do, and now you can show me.

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Speaker 5: And that's what happens.

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Speaker 1: And it's very difficult for me.

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Speaker 2: Do you hear them to shut this?

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Speaker 3: When the director Oscar nominated filmmaker Irene Taylor approached Selene

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Speaker 3: Dion's health. It was only later that she learned about

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Speaker 3: the illness. And there are really confronting scenes in the documentary,

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Speaker 3: including one depicting a seizure where Dion is moaning in pain.

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Speaker 3: They can't leave their house, and people just forget about it.

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Speaker 2: And they don't want to be a drag. They're like, oh,

439
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Speaker 2: you know, I am still battling that. No, I don't

440
00:22:03,687 --> 00:22:05,527
Speaker 2: have a happy narrative for you.

441
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Speaker 3: People are impatient, people move on, And so I thought

442
00:22:09,607 --> 00:22:12,367
Speaker 3: that to render that visible was incredibly brave of her,

443
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Speaker 3: to have someone follow her around and look sickness in

444
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Speaker 3: the face. And there was another quote by the director

445
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Speaker 3: who said, there's such utility in staring pain in the face,

446
00:22:22,807 --> 00:22:25,127
Speaker 3: and we have this instinct to look away, and you

447
00:22:25,167 --> 00:22:27,207
Speaker 3: could feel it when you're watching her in that seizure

448
00:22:27,487 --> 00:22:29,407
Speaker 3: like scene went on for seal. She just wanted to

449
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Speaker 3: close your eyes. And she said the same, but she

450
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Speaker 3: said that she's learned through filmmaking that something very human

451
00:22:34,527 --> 00:22:36,527
Speaker 3: happens when you don't look away, when you actually look

452
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Speaker 3: the person in the eye and bear witness to it.

453
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Speaker 1: Is this the documentary making?

454
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we could do that more with illness because we

455
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Speaker 3: don't like looking at it. It means we're confronting our immortality.

456
00:22:45,847 --> 00:22:48,007
Speaker 3: It means if she's that sick, I could be that sick.

457
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Speaker 3: We don't like it.

458
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Speaker 1: The same with aging.

459
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was very brave.

460
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Speaker 1: It's really heartbreaking. I've been in this situation, you know,

461
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Speaker 1: thinking about Joe Biden, thinking about Selene with the old

462
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Speaker 1: founder of Cosmo, Helen Gurley Brown, who was literally still

463
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Speaker 1: editing Cosmo when I first became an editor. I think

464
00:23:06,447 --> 00:23:08,927
Speaker 1: she was probably in her late seventies and she was

465
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Speaker 1: still editing that magazine in America. This is more Joe

466
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Speaker 1: Biden comparison than a Selene comparison. But she had to

467
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Speaker 1: get tapped on the shoulder, and everyone was trying to

468
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Speaker 1: do that in such a gentle way. And I remember

469
00:23:23,687 --> 00:23:25,887
Speaker 1: I was there during that period where they had to

470
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Speaker 1: bring someone else in for the sake of the brand,

471
00:23:28,167 --> 00:23:31,607
Speaker 1: because this woman who had been such an icon and

472
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Speaker 1: amazing and an amazing business woman and an amazing cultural figure,

473
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Speaker 1: had not been able to move with the times and

474
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Speaker 1: was suddenly saying things like, oh, I think it's great

475
00:23:41,887 --> 00:23:43,807
Speaker 1: if a man pinches you on the balm at work,

476
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Speaker 1: Like I think that's really flattering. And she was saying

477
00:23:46,647 --> 00:23:49,767
Speaker 1: things like women can't get AIDS, and it was becoming

478
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Speaker 1: so awful for the brand and awful for her. And

479
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Speaker 1: my introduction to her, you know, I sort of got

480
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Speaker 1: to know her at that age was that she was

481
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Speaker 1: a joke and it was only from getting to know

482
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Speaker 1: her and understanding her legacy. I'm like, oh, you are

483
00:24:04,047 --> 00:24:07,247
Speaker 1: an icon. And you compare that, say to Gloria Steinem

484
00:24:07,727 --> 00:24:10,367
Speaker 1: She just turned ninety and she has been able to

485
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Speaker 1: kind of transition. No one's really had to tap her

486
00:24:13,887 --> 00:24:16,287
Speaker 1: on the shoulder. But what was heartbreaking about Helen was

487
00:24:16,287 --> 00:24:19,527
Speaker 1: that she would say, like at dinners and stuff, Oh,

488
00:24:19,567 --> 00:24:21,927
Speaker 1: they've put me out to pasture. They want me just

489
00:24:22,167 --> 00:24:25,567
Speaker 1: out to pass you because I'm too old. And it

490
00:24:25,607 --> 00:24:27,567
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, yeah, you are, but odd.

491
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Speaker 3: But it's a question of legacy. And the same thing

492
00:24:29,447 --> 00:24:32,207
Speaker 3: happens with Selaine d On. It's like, has the legacy

493
00:24:32,247 --> 00:24:34,647
Speaker 3: been made? There's nothing else you could achieve. She has

494
00:24:34,687 --> 00:24:37,207
Speaker 3: the most successful Las Vegas residency of all time. She

495
00:24:37,287 --> 00:24:39,887
Speaker 3: made something like six hundred and eighteen million dollars. Like,

496
00:24:40,087 --> 00:24:43,687
Speaker 3: where's the goal that you're you know, but it's not.

497
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Speaker 2: The goal joy, it's the joy of doing it. And

498
00:24:46,727 --> 00:24:49,687
Speaker 2: the thing about that is it's interesting. And I know

499
00:24:49,727 --> 00:24:52,247
Speaker 2: this isn't necessarily as you say so Selena Jason. As

500
00:24:52,287 --> 00:24:56,887
Speaker 2: the aging issue, on one hand, we think that as

501
00:24:56,927 --> 00:24:59,967
Speaker 2: you age, you get wiser and you've got more experience

502
00:24:59,967 --> 00:25:01,807
Speaker 2: and more knowledge, But then there's a tipping pointer at

503
00:25:01,807 --> 00:25:04,807
Speaker 2: which it's like, just go away now, we don't want

504
00:25:04,807 --> 00:25:07,287
Speaker 2: to look at you. We don't have any patients for

505
00:25:07,367 --> 00:25:10,407
Speaker 2: listening to you. You've had your turn former sentence. It's

506
00:25:10,407 --> 00:25:12,887
Speaker 2: like the argument we had about Jermaine Greer a few

507
00:25:12,887 --> 00:25:16,247
Speaker 2: months ago, the idea of whether or not we have

508
00:25:16,287 --> 00:25:20,007
Speaker 2: any patience to listen to people talking if they're not

509
00:25:20,087 --> 00:25:23,767
Speaker 2: doing it like at top speed and incredibly sharp and articulate,

510
00:25:23,807 --> 00:25:25,727
Speaker 2: as if they've got does that mean that their thoughts

511
00:25:25,727 --> 00:25:28,487
Speaker 2: aren't interesting or relevant anymore. I don't mean to say

512
00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:30,567
Speaker 2: this in defense of Joe Biden. I think we've prosecuted

513
00:25:30,607 --> 00:25:33,287
Speaker 2: that thoroughly this week, that we all are in agreement,

514
00:25:33,327 --> 00:25:36,647
Speaker 2: that you know, But it's that idea of you know,

515
00:25:36,687 --> 00:25:38,967
Speaker 2: the part of me that was thinking about Celine Dion.

516
00:25:39,087 --> 00:25:42,767
Speaker 2: You've done everything, you've achieved everything, you've got everything, and

517
00:25:42,927 --> 00:25:46,207
Speaker 2: was enjoying sort of looking into her world. That's who

518
00:25:46,287 --> 00:25:49,887
Speaker 2: she is, and I think it's almost impossible for you

519
00:25:50,447 --> 00:25:54,767
Speaker 2: to accept that it's over, and why would you? It

520
00:25:54,887 --> 00:25:58,967
Speaker 2: was very interesting and thought provoking, and also this is

521
00:25:58,967 --> 00:26:02,127
Speaker 2: a woman who will wear shoes of any size.

522
00:26:02,247 --> 00:26:07,687
Speaker 1: When a girl loves her shoes. She always make them fit.

523
00:26:08,367 --> 00:26:10,487
Speaker 7: Every time I went to story and I love those shoes.

524
00:26:10,487 --> 00:26:12,767
Speaker 7: They said, what size are you, ma'am? I said, no,

525
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Speaker 7: you don't understand what size.

526
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Speaker 5: Do you have.

527
00:26:15,487 --> 00:26:17,047
Speaker 7: I'll make them work, I'll make them fit.

528
00:26:17,207 --> 00:26:20,527
Speaker 1: I will walk the shoe. I walk the shoe. The shoe,

529
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Speaker 1: don't walk me have worked.

530
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Speaker 7: Shoes with my feet like this and sometimes like this,

531
00:26:27,087 --> 00:26:30,167
Speaker 7: to hold down to them from six to ten.

532
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Speaker 5: Give it to me.

533
00:26:31,367 --> 00:26:33,287
Speaker 2: I love them. It's really thought provoking.

534
00:26:33,287 --> 00:26:35,887
Speaker 3: It's really It's on Prime Video. It's called I Am

535
00:26:36,047 --> 00:26:38,327
Speaker 3: Celine Dion. If you've watched it, please let us know

536
00:26:38,367 --> 00:26:38,767
Speaker 3: what you think.

537
00:26:40,647 --> 00:26:44,607
Speaker 2: This month, Momma Mia turned seventeen. We know birthdays aren't

538
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Speaker 2: all that exciting when they're not well. Your birthday, they

539
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Speaker 2: are around enough presents, So we want to take this

540
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Speaker 2: as a chance to give you a treat and say

541
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Speaker 2: thank you for being on the ride with us.

542
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Speaker 1: Right now, you can get twenty dollars off a yearly

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Speaker 3: Code out Loud Birthday.

545
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546
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Speaker 2: Valid for limited time only, and you'll find all the

547
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Speaker 2: details of how to do that in the show notes.

548
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Speaker 2: Enjoy My Friends.

549
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Speaker 1: It's Friday. So we want to help set up your

550
00:27:17,607 --> 00:27:22,887
Speaker 1: weekend with our best recommendations. Jesse, what do you recommend?

551
00:27:23,167 --> 00:27:25,287
Speaker 3: I have it a bit of an unusual one this

552
00:27:25,407 --> 00:27:29,727
Speaker 3: week when we're away. You know, when you're traveling, you've

553
00:27:29,727 --> 00:27:32,327
Speaker 3: got a lot of breakfast, lunch and dinners and time

554
00:27:32,327 --> 00:27:34,647
Speaker 3: in the car and blah blah blah. You need an activity, right,

555
00:27:34,767 --> 00:27:38,607
Speaker 3: A game, A lovely game. We had different generations and

556
00:27:39,007 --> 00:27:43,647
Speaker 3: all different interests. Anyway, I always do the good Weekend quiz, right,

557
00:27:44,007 --> 00:27:46,167
Speaker 3: I think let's do that too. It's a real fun

558
00:27:46,287 --> 00:27:49,527
Speaker 3: coming together when you've got a bit of a hodgepodge

559
00:27:49,567 --> 00:27:52,007
Speaker 3: group of people. It's like, let's do the good Weekend quiz.

560
00:27:52,167 --> 00:27:54,367
Speaker 3: And oh, this person I haven't spoken to has a

561
00:27:54,407 --> 00:27:57,127
Speaker 3: special interest area in tennis. Great, now we have something

562
00:27:57,167 --> 00:27:57,727
Speaker 3: to bond over.

563
00:27:58,447 --> 00:27:59,727
Speaker 1: You find that you need to do that in a

564
00:27:59,767 --> 00:28:02,487
Speaker 1: group with different people who have different specialized interests, because

565
00:28:02,527 --> 00:28:04,967
Speaker 1: I lose interest if I don't know all the see.

566
00:28:05,407 --> 00:28:08,927
Speaker 3: I'm not good at trivia. But I find that everyone's focused.

567
00:28:09,607 --> 00:28:12,607
Speaker 2: You can get only twenty five questions.

568
00:28:11,807 --> 00:28:15,807
Speaker 3: Very inclusive of everyone starts interesting discussions. Right, So I've

569
00:28:15,807 --> 00:28:16,687
Speaker 3: always done the Good Weekend.

570
00:28:16,727 --> 00:28:17,767
Speaker 1: What kind of questions are there?

571
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Speaker 3: Okay, well, actually this is about the other quiz that

572
00:28:21,727 --> 00:28:23,847
Speaker 3: I'm about to recommend. But what do you reckon is

573
00:28:23,967 --> 00:28:28,487
Speaker 3: the most profitable flight path in the whole world?

574
00:28:28,807 --> 00:28:31,807
Speaker 1: It's that kind of question Sidney Melbourne. How did you

575
00:28:31,967 --> 00:28:34,967
Speaker 1: know that? Because I know I've always remembered that Sydney

576
00:28:35,007 --> 00:28:38,447
Speaker 1: Melbourne is the most frequent flight path in the whole world.

577
00:28:38,607 --> 00:28:40,407
Speaker 3: It's to do with cost, right, because actually quite an

578
00:28:40,407 --> 00:28:42,367
Speaker 3: expensive flight for a short one, because I thought it

579
00:28:42,447 --> 00:28:45,247
Speaker 3: might be New York, Paris or something like that. Apparently

580
00:28:45,247 --> 00:28:47,407
Speaker 3: it's why they won't make a train. Don't quote me

581
00:28:47,447 --> 00:28:51,887
Speaker 3: on that anyway. Fat love quiz. See you'd be fun anyway.

582
00:28:51,967 --> 00:28:54,167
Speaker 3: So good weekend quiz. Only once a week it's not enough.

583
00:28:54,327 --> 00:28:57,567
Speaker 3: I needed more quizz So there is this quiz called

584
00:28:57,647 --> 00:29:01,367
Speaker 3: Gatekeepers of Knowledge. It's on Instagram and they have fifteen

585
00:29:01,447 --> 00:29:04,727
Speaker 3: questions and then they have a discussion question, which is

586
00:29:04,807 --> 00:29:05,927
Speaker 3: always really fun.

587
00:29:06,207 --> 00:29:07,607
Speaker 1: Is this every day they do new ones?

588
00:29:07,767 --> 00:29:10,367
Speaker 3: No, they do it once a week. It's quite Australian like.

589
00:29:10,407 --> 00:29:12,727
Speaker 3: It's an Australian guy who does it full transparency. It's

590
00:29:12,767 --> 00:29:14,727
Speaker 3: one of Luca's friends. And so we kind of started

591
00:29:14,727 --> 00:29:16,047
Speaker 3: doing it as a joke and I were like, oh,

592
00:29:16,087 --> 00:29:16,887
Speaker 3: this is actually.

593
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you've disclosed that.

594
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

595
00:29:18,487 --> 00:29:22,567
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I didn't want to get exactly, but we

596
00:29:22,727 --> 00:29:24,887
Speaker 3: just had so much fun with it. Like there was

597
00:29:24,927 --> 00:29:28,367
Speaker 3: one discussion question that was like how would you prove

598
00:29:28,407 --> 00:29:31,287
Speaker 3: you're not AI or something? And like just the interesting

599
00:29:31,367 --> 00:29:34,687
Speaker 3: rabbit holes people went down. So much fun gives you

600
00:29:34,807 --> 00:29:37,407
Speaker 3: the answers. It's all on Instagram, all on the platform.

601
00:29:37,727 --> 00:29:40,327
Speaker 3: Loved it. It's called gate Keepers of Knowledge on Instagram.

602
00:29:40,407 --> 00:29:42,127
Speaker 1: Holly, what's your recommendation?

603
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Speaker 2: Okay, I've been listening to a podcast that is quite

604
00:29:46,367 --> 00:29:49,647
Speaker 2: a serious one, right, I think it out Louder recommended

605
00:29:49,647 --> 00:29:52,087
Speaker 2: this to me because they thought Holly were like this,

606
00:29:52,527 --> 00:29:55,087
Speaker 2: and they were right. I think it actually came out

607
00:29:55,127 --> 00:29:58,487
Speaker 2: last year. It's called Who Trolled Amber? And it's made

608
00:29:58,487 --> 00:30:02,647
Speaker 2: by Tortoise Media, who are a British media organization who

609
00:30:02,647 --> 00:30:06,127
Speaker 2: make kind of quite thinky, very well researched deep podcasts,

610
00:30:06,807 --> 00:30:07,887
Speaker 2: and it's about Amber heard.

611
00:30:08,087 --> 00:30:13,927
Speaker 5: This story starts with a spy, well a former spy,

612
00:30:14,847 --> 00:30:18,607
Speaker 5: someone who knows how easy it is to sway opinions online.

613
00:30:19,887 --> 00:30:22,407
Speaker 5: This person came to me with a strange theory.

614
00:30:23,007 --> 00:30:26,527
Speaker 3: I spent a period of time investigating disinformation campaigns, so

615
00:30:26,727 --> 00:30:29,287
Speaker 3: foreign influenced operations, information worker stuff.

616
00:30:29,487 --> 00:30:32,047
Speaker 1: This was more akin to that what I was witnessing.

617
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Speaker 5: Not about a stolen election or a hacking operation, but

618
00:30:35,407 --> 00:30:37,567
Speaker 5: about Johnny Depp and Amber Heard.

619
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Speaker 1: There is no way that that was all.

620
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Speaker 5: There's no way.

621
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Speaker 2: Specifically, it dives into whether or not the overwhelming social

622
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Speaker 2: media campaign that came along and tore down Amber Heard

623
00:30:53,247 --> 00:30:59,447
Speaker 2: during those trials were genuine or whether they were somehow

624
00:31:00,087 --> 00:31:01,607
Speaker 2: like an organized campaign.

625
00:31:01,927 --> 00:31:06,407
Speaker 1: I remember it was unheard of the amount of online h.

626
00:31:06,247 --> 00:31:07,967
Speaker 3: She kept up in that twenty four hours.

627
00:31:07,967 --> 00:31:10,687
Speaker 2: I really did. And for those who may or may

628
00:31:10,727 --> 00:31:15,407
Speaker 2: not remember, is that. Originally the amber Heard Johnny Depp

629
00:31:15,407 --> 00:31:19,047
Speaker 2: trial started in London. It was a defamation case against

630
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Speaker 2: a British newspaper being brought by Johnny Depp who had

631
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Speaker 2: called him a wife beater, and amber Heard in that

632
00:31:26,967 --> 00:31:29,967
Speaker 2: case was represented by the great Australian human rights lowder

633
00:31:30,007 --> 00:31:33,847
Speaker 2: Jennifer Robinson, one of my obsessions, one of my Roman empires,

634
00:31:33,847 --> 00:31:36,927
Speaker 2: but she also Julias was Juliana Sange's lawyer all over

635
00:31:36,967 --> 00:31:40,247
Speaker 2: the media last week. She has worked with some of

636
00:31:40,287 --> 00:31:43,687
Speaker 2: the most controversial figures in the world. She said she

637
00:31:43,807 --> 00:31:47,367
Speaker 2: had never seen anything like the hate that was directed

638
00:31:47,367 --> 00:31:49,367
Speaker 2: at Amber Heard in that first trial when she was

639
00:31:49,407 --> 00:31:53,287
Speaker 2: representing her in Britain. Just to be clear, heard one that,

640
00:31:53,927 --> 00:31:56,727
Speaker 2: or rather Johnny Depp lost that. A judge in Britain

641
00:31:56,807 --> 00:32:01,127
Speaker 2: did find that on several occasions, irrefutably, Johnny Depp had

642
00:32:01,167 --> 00:32:06,967
Speaker 2: abused hit struck Amber Heard right, that happened, and she won.

643
00:32:07,407 --> 00:32:10,007
Speaker 2: Then when the case went to the US the next year,

644
00:32:10,007 --> 00:32:12,407
Speaker 2: which is when Johnny Depp was suing her for not

645
00:32:12,527 --> 00:32:15,167
Speaker 2: naming him in a magazine article but saying that she

646
00:32:15,287 --> 00:32:17,967
Speaker 2: was a survivor of domestic violence, That's when the circus

647
00:32:18,047 --> 00:32:19,807
Speaker 2: kicked up a notch, right, and it.

648
00:32:19,767 --> 00:32:23,007
Speaker 3: Was like a TikTok. I got pulled into this algorithm

649
00:32:23,047 --> 00:32:26,087
Speaker 3: that wanted to convince me that Amber Heard was the

650
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Speaker 3: baddie and that Johnny Depp was an.

651
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Speaker 1: Even my kids got pulled into that.

652
00:32:30,007 --> 00:32:31,887
Speaker 2: Oh, my kids still talk about it now. It was

653
00:32:31,927 --> 00:32:36,767
Speaker 2: such an effective smear campaign against herd that I think

654
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Speaker 2: you'd be hard pushed if you stopped a certain number

655
00:32:39,607 --> 00:32:41,247
Speaker 2: of people on the street and ask them about that.

656
00:32:41,287 --> 00:32:44,647
Speaker 2: They would say, she's crazy, she's deluded. He didn't do anything.

657
00:32:45,447 --> 00:32:48,647
Speaker 2: The thing that's fascinating about this podcast is it starts

658
00:32:48,687 --> 00:32:52,207
Speaker 2: with this case and the hosts a guy called Alexei Mostross,

659
00:32:52,687 --> 00:32:55,047
Speaker 2: and he and his team start digging into because a

660
00:32:55,047 --> 00:32:58,487
Speaker 2: lot of people were suspicious about this vast like social

661
00:32:58,527 --> 00:32:59,007
Speaker 2: media thing.

662
00:32:59,127 --> 00:33:00,527
Speaker 1: But why did everybody?

663
00:33:00,287 --> 00:33:00,487
Speaker 5: Why?

664
00:33:01,367 --> 00:33:01,527
Speaker 4: Yes?

665
00:33:01,687 --> 00:33:04,327
Speaker 2: And why was it so overwhelming? And they started digging

666
00:33:04,327 --> 00:33:07,327
Speaker 2: into these vast data sets of tweets about Amber Heard

667
00:33:07,687 --> 00:33:10,567
Speaker 2: and alarm bell started going off almost immediately. One account,

668
00:33:10,607 --> 00:33:14,367
Speaker 2: for example, like one account had tweeted anti heard messages

669
00:33:14,367 --> 00:33:19,327
Speaker 2: more than three hundred and seventy thousand times, which would

670
00:33:19,327 --> 00:33:21,727
Speaker 2: be in a post every two minutes, twenty four hours

671
00:33:21,727 --> 00:33:22,807
Speaker 2: a day for three years.

672
00:33:23,087 --> 00:33:24,687
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So it was bots.

673
00:33:24,767 --> 00:33:28,647
Speaker 2: They're not people. So the whole premise of who trolled

674
00:33:28,687 --> 00:33:31,007
Speaker 2: Amber and it's impeccably sourced. They talked to Gen Robinson,

675
00:33:31,007 --> 00:33:33,927
Speaker 2: they talked to heaps of people. Is about was this

676
00:33:34,367 --> 00:33:37,167
Speaker 2: really about Johnny Depp and number Heard or is this

677
00:33:37,287 --> 00:33:42,127
Speaker 2: really a much bigger, sinister, almost test case for what

678
00:33:42,247 --> 00:33:47,207
Speaker 2: happens when powerful entity wants to interfere with the public situation,

679
00:33:47,407 --> 00:33:49,447
Speaker 2: whether that might be politics, whether that might be a

680
00:33:49,447 --> 00:33:52,967
Speaker 2: criminal criminal trial, Maybe there might be a the US election.

681
00:33:53,087 --> 00:33:54,567
Speaker 3: You might not be able to tell me this yet,

682
00:33:54,607 --> 00:33:56,207
Speaker 3: But did Johnny Depp have anything.

683
00:33:55,927 --> 00:33:57,887
Speaker 2: To do with that? Well, that's not entirely clear, and

684
00:33:57,887 --> 00:34:01,287
Speaker 2: obviously the legals on this are considerable. I wasn't ask,

685
00:34:03,327 --> 00:34:08,487
Speaker 2: but it is a very fascinating and disturbing show that

686
00:34:08,567 --> 00:34:11,087
Speaker 2: tells you a lot about the way that the online.

687
00:34:10,767 --> 00:34:13,367
Speaker 1: World works and how public opinion can be my and.

688
00:34:13,367 --> 00:34:16,327
Speaker 2: If for bad actors, if it sounds like a lot,

689
00:34:16,367 --> 00:34:18,167
Speaker 2: it kind of is. But one of the things that

690
00:34:18,207 --> 00:34:21,807
Speaker 2: it just reminds us all the time, which I think

691
00:34:21,807 --> 00:34:23,687
Speaker 2: we need reminding of more than ever as we head

692
00:34:23,687 --> 00:34:25,807
Speaker 2: into this next phase of AI and as you say,

693
00:34:25,847 --> 00:34:28,967
Speaker 2: the US election, MEA and all the things it's not organic,

694
00:34:29,087 --> 00:34:31,607
Speaker 2: the stuff that we know this right, the stuff we served,

695
00:34:31,687 --> 00:34:33,647
Speaker 2: the opinions we're being shown all the time, the things

696
00:34:33,647 --> 00:34:37,647
Speaker 2: we'll repeat back as absolutely like very often. There are

697
00:34:37,727 --> 00:34:40,047
Speaker 2: much much bigger things going on here. So who trold Amber.

698
00:34:40,127 --> 00:34:43,247
Speaker 2: It's a podcast. You can find it wherever you find podcasts.

699
00:34:43,327 --> 00:34:45,287
Speaker 2: If you are want to have your mind blown and

700
00:34:45,287 --> 00:34:47,607
Speaker 2: feel a little bit terrified, go for it.

701
00:34:47,687 --> 00:34:49,367
Speaker 1: That sounds like fun. And to be clear, when I

702
00:34:49,367 --> 00:34:51,927
Speaker 1: said bad actors, I wasn't talking about an actual actor

703
00:34:52,007 --> 00:34:54,447
Speaker 1: it was a bad at acting. I meant, I'm a

704
00:34:54,527 --> 00:35:02,727
Speaker 1: levolent course entity. My recommendation is to do a clothes swap.

705
00:35:03,367 --> 00:35:06,487
Speaker 1: We did this at MMMA Maya this week. I also

706
00:35:06,527 --> 00:35:08,607
Speaker 1: have been doing it in a WhatsApp group with a

707
00:35:08,607 --> 00:35:11,607
Speaker 1: couple of golf friends and we're all trying to buy

708
00:35:11,687 --> 00:35:16,687
Speaker 1: less at the moment, sometimes succeeding, sometimes not. But thrifting

709
00:35:16,767 --> 00:35:19,127
Speaker 1: is really making a huge comeback and what we wanted

710
00:35:19,167 --> 00:35:21,247
Speaker 1: to do, particularly since we all got our colors done

711
00:35:21,487 --> 00:35:23,967
Speaker 1: in here and suddenly we're all looking at our wardrobes

712
00:35:23,967 --> 00:35:26,967
Speaker 1: in different ways and thinking, here are all those things

713
00:35:27,007 --> 00:35:28,727
Speaker 1: I didn't I've always wondered why I didn't want to

714
00:35:28,727 --> 00:35:31,167
Speaker 1: put them on. It's because they're not the good colors

715
00:35:31,167 --> 00:35:34,407
Speaker 1: for me. And so we all had big wardrobe clean outs.

716
00:35:35,087 --> 00:35:38,047
Speaker 1: We set up a system where everyone that brought something

717
00:35:38,127 --> 00:35:40,247
Speaker 1: would get a token so they would get first DIBs.

718
00:35:40,287 --> 00:35:42,287
Speaker 1: But then there were other people who didn't bring something.

719
00:35:42,767 --> 00:35:45,007
Speaker 1: You can do it however you want, whether it's with girlfriends,

720
00:35:45,127 --> 00:35:48,367
Speaker 1: people at work, your sports team, and it's just great.

721
00:35:48,407 --> 00:35:52,167
Speaker 1: There was everything from accessories to leggings, bags, shoes, dresses.

722
00:35:52,487 --> 00:35:54,087
Speaker 3: I really wanted to do it, but I felt self

723
00:35:54,127 --> 00:35:55,807
Speaker 3: conscious because I didn't think that what I had to

724
00:35:55,847 --> 00:35:58,567
Speaker 3: contribute was merely as good as I felt the same.

725
00:35:58,727 --> 00:36:01,927
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. Like there's some stuff left over

726
00:36:01,967 --> 00:36:05,207
Speaker 1: which we are going to donate to women's shelter and

727
00:36:06,687 --> 00:36:07,487
Speaker 1: go into land.

728
00:36:07,327 --> 00:36:11,767
Speaker 3: Fully and I think, not this stuff you do all

729
00:36:11,807 --> 00:36:13,447
Speaker 3: the time? Can you keep doing that?

730
00:36:13,847 --> 00:36:17,527
Speaker 1: Yeah? I will keep doing that, So close swap. Highly

731
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Speaker 1: recommend and my other recommendation is now you sign up

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Speaker 1: to the out Louders newsletter because all our recommendations links

733
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Speaker 1: to all the things we talk about, behind the scenes

734
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Speaker 1: stories that we've talked about during the week, they'll all

735
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Speaker 1: be in there. There is a link to sign up

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Speaker 1: to the newsletter. It's free. In the show notes.

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Speaker 8: High out Louders, it's em Vernon here with a quick

738
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Speaker 8: record and back in your ears. I kind of shiving

739
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Speaker 8: my way back in the podcast when everyone else left.

740
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Speaker 8: And this is one for the single girls. Oh if

741
00:36:46,127 --> 00:36:48,127
Speaker 8: you're not a single girl but have friends who are single,

742
00:36:48,207 --> 00:36:50,607
Speaker 8: this is for you as well. If you live in Sydney,

743
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Speaker 8: there is an event that we're hosting as Mama Mia

744
00:36:53,687 --> 00:36:57,047
Speaker 8: with the Sydney Swans. It's called Match Day Mingle and

745
00:36:57,087 --> 00:37:00,487
Speaker 8: it's presented by Listerine. The idea of this event actually

746
00:37:00,527 --> 00:37:03,487
Speaker 8: started from where all good things start. A TikTok our

747
00:37:03,527 --> 00:37:06,927
Speaker 8: social team went to a Swan's game recently and they

748
00:37:06,967 --> 00:37:09,967
Speaker 8: pretty much just like filmed themselves asking them who attended

749
00:37:10,007 --> 00:37:12,407
Speaker 8: the game if they're single or not. That video went

750
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Speaker 8: absolutely viral. It got picked up on TV. It got

751
00:37:15,887 --> 00:37:18,607
Speaker 8: over a million views on TikTok. So we thought we'd

752
00:37:18,607 --> 00:37:21,367
Speaker 8: formalize it because it seems like the girlies want to

753
00:37:21,407 --> 00:37:24,207
Speaker 8: go to the Sydney Swans game. If that's you, I

754
00:37:24,287 --> 00:37:25,767
Speaker 8: highly encourage you to come along.

755
00:37:25,847 --> 00:37:26,447
Speaker 2: I'll be there.

756
00:37:26,527 --> 00:37:28,647
Speaker 8: We get to meet, we get to hang. It's going

757
00:37:28,727 --> 00:37:31,847
Speaker 8: to be held on July thirteenth. If you come, you

758
00:37:31,887 --> 00:37:34,087
Speaker 8: can watch the whole game with us. You can have

759
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Speaker 8: a drink, you can have some food. There's even going

760
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Speaker 8: to be DJ's. It's going to be like a proper

761
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Speaker 8: party sesh. So come along. It's going to be at

762
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Speaker 8: the SEG on Saturday. We will put a link in

763
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Speaker 8: our show notes for where you can buy tickets.

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Speaker 3: What unlimited out loud access. We drop episodes every Tuesday

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Speaker 3: and Thursday exclusively for Mum and Maya subscribers. Follow the

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769
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Speaker 2: Okay, this is the part of the show obviously where

770
00:38:14,247 --> 00:38:16,567
Speaker 2: we share a little more from our personal lives. We're

771
00:38:16,567 --> 00:38:18,687
Speaker 2: not talking about big picture things, We're talking about little

772
00:38:18,687 --> 00:38:20,407
Speaker 2: picture things. My worst last week.

773
00:38:20,447 --> 00:38:20,967
Speaker 5: I was sick.

774
00:38:21,127 --> 00:38:23,767
Speaker 2: And I know that often our sicknesses are very sicknesses

775
00:38:23,807 --> 00:38:25,287
Speaker 2: are our worst. It's kind of obvious.

776
00:38:25,447 --> 00:38:29,167
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very revealing. It's revealing about health, though, isn't it.

777
00:38:29,167 --> 00:38:32,647
Speaker 1: It's only your best you get a week exactly, that's true.

778
00:38:32,647 --> 00:38:33,607
Speaker 1: That was her best one.

779
00:38:33,727 --> 00:38:36,487
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did take a couple of days off work,

780
00:38:36,527 --> 00:38:37,927
Speaker 2: as you would know if you listen to out Loud,

781
00:38:37,927 --> 00:38:41,167
Speaker 2: because I wasn't on it. But the thing about it

782
00:38:41,207 --> 00:38:43,847
Speaker 2: is so I got what we think is probably a migraine.

783
00:38:43,887 --> 00:38:46,927
Speaker 2: And I have had dalliances with migraines before, but I'd

784
00:38:46,927 --> 00:38:50,287
Speaker 2: never experienced anything like this. I was flattened for a

785
00:38:50,287 --> 00:38:53,087
Speaker 2: few days. But also it may not have been a migraine.

786
00:38:53,127 --> 00:38:54,767
Speaker 2: It's one of those things where you know, people don't

787
00:38:54,807 --> 00:38:56,887
Speaker 2: really know what it is. But basically I had a

788
00:38:56,927 --> 00:39:00,247
Speaker 2: really debilitating headache for a while. I felt nauseous, all

789
00:39:00,287 --> 00:39:02,207
Speaker 2: those things, and it could have been hormonal, It could

790
00:39:02,207 --> 00:39:05,287
Speaker 2: have been all that stuff. But also it made me

791
00:39:05,407 --> 00:39:08,527
Speaker 2: remember the lesson that we always forget right, which is

792
00:39:08,607 --> 00:39:13,167
Speaker 2: that I think I'm really tired, Like I think that

793
00:39:14,007 --> 00:39:17,087
Speaker 2: we have had an enormous few months, like in terms

794
00:39:17,127 --> 00:39:19,767
Speaker 2: of work and all doing things. I love love, love,

795
00:39:19,807 --> 00:39:22,487
Speaker 2: love love out loud the Tall launching mid When we

796
00:39:22,527 --> 00:39:24,247
Speaker 2: got back from Tall, you got sick, mea fell in

797
00:39:24,287 --> 00:39:24,647
Speaker 2: a heap for.

798
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Speaker 1: A few days, for a week.

799
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Speaker 3: Is it like when the doctor asked, Siket stressed, if

800
00:39:28,847 --> 00:39:30,327
Speaker 3: you've had much on and then you kind of have

801
00:39:30,407 --> 00:39:32,327
Speaker 3: to go. It's like a flash of the last few months.

802
00:39:33,807 --> 00:39:34,367
Speaker 1: There was that.

803
00:39:34,407 --> 00:39:37,047
Speaker 2: But then also in any time that I haven't been

804
00:39:37,087 --> 00:39:39,047
Speaker 2: doing that, I'm trying to finish my book. I'm on

805
00:39:39,127 --> 00:39:41,647
Speaker 2: rewrites of my book. So like every minute of every

806
00:39:41,727 --> 00:39:45,887
Speaker 2: day is work of some kind and again I love

807
00:39:45,927 --> 00:39:49,167
Speaker 2: it all. Like you don't have to disclaim you to

808
00:39:49,967 --> 00:39:51,567
Speaker 2: the way they sound like a wind, Joe, Well you

809
00:39:51,607 --> 00:39:53,207
Speaker 2: are owing, that's a stated fact.

810
00:39:53,287 --> 00:39:56,007
Speaker 1: But like you've also been driving up and down the coast,

811
00:39:56,407 --> 00:39:58,487
Speaker 1: the community, your dad.

812
00:39:59,047 --> 00:40:01,727
Speaker 2: There's a lot going on, and then there's just normal life, kids, family,

813
00:40:01,767 --> 00:40:04,367
Speaker 2: all the things and The thing is that's interesting. Is

814
00:40:04,407 --> 00:40:06,527
Speaker 2: it reminded me that a few weeks ago I did

815
00:40:06,527 --> 00:40:10,127
Speaker 2: that interview with Catherine May about burnout. She said, if

816
00:40:10,167 --> 00:40:12,887
Speaker 2: you don't address trying to make life a bit more

817
00:40:12,927 --> 00:40:15,207
Speaker 2: manageable and taking time to look after yourself and all

818
00:40:15,247 --> 00:40:18,767
Speaker 2: those things, burnout will come and find you. Oh yes,

819
00:40:18,807 --> 00:40:23,447
Speaker 2: it will come and knock on your head. In this case, wow, possibly,

820
00:40:23,567 --> 00:40:25,367
Speaker 2: I mean, but it could have been many other things.

821
00:40:25,767 --> 00:40:27,767
Speaker 2: It'll come and knock on you, and it will make

822
00:40:27,807 --> 00:40:30,527
Speaker 2: you lie down. And I know it sounds woo woo health.

823
00:40:30,527 --> 00:40:32,247
Speaker 3: Nice people are saying.

824
00:40:32,327 --> 00:40:34,607
Speaker 2: But it's like it's like a reminder and a lesson

825
00:40:34,767 --> 00:40:37,807
Speaker 2: that I often don't learn. Is I'm like, it's fine,

826
00:40:37,847 --> 00:40:40,367
Speaker 2: it's fine, Like I can do all these things when

827
00:40:40,367 --> 00:40:43,327
Speaker 2: this is finished, when this busy time is over, I'll

828
00:40:43,447 --> 00:40:47,007
Speaker 2: have a break, I'll do whatever. But it's like, ultimately

829
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Speaker 2: you can only do so much, and burnout does get

830
00:40:49,447 --> 00:40:50,327
Speaker 2: to us all in the end.

831
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Speaker 3: So I think it was one of those keeps trying

832
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Speaker 3: to teach moments and all of us the same lesson.

833
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Speaker 1: Sounds a bit victim blame me, blaming yourself for your headache.

834
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Speaker 1: Sometimes headaches just come.

835
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Speaker 2: Yes, And in fact, the other thing that's been interesting

836
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Speaker 2: is that because the headache lasted a long time, still

837
00:41:03,967 --> 00:41:05,767
Speaker 2: here a little bit, and don't at me out loud,

838
00:41:05,767 --> 00:41:08,287
Speaker 2: as I've had brain scams and things like, I'm not

839
00:41:08,527 --> 00:41:12,407
Speaker 2: you know, I've been trying, like I've had acupuncture. I've

840
00:41:12,407 --> 00:41:14,647
Speaker 2: had cops stuck on me. Oh I love how the

841
00:41:15,647 --> 00:41:17,247
Speaker 2: like I'm doing all that shit.

842
00:41:17,527 --> 00:41:20,047
Speaker 1: Have you tried manifesting to not have a headache and

843
00:41:20,167 --> 00:41:23,607
Speaker 1: I'm manifesting manifest harder And I'm like, and all the

844
00:41:23,647 --> 00:41:26,447
Speaker 1: people I've been talking to me not lately are like meditate, meditates,

845
00:41:26,447 --> 00:41:28,167
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm gonna have to stop.

846
00:41:27,927 --> 00:41:29,127
Speaker 2: Meditating my headache away.

847
00:41:29,767 --> 00:41:30,207
Speaker 1: Anyway.

848
00:41:30,407 --> 00:41:32,407
Speaker 2: That was my worst is being reminded I am not,

849
00:41:32,487 --> 00:41:35,727
Speaker 2: in fact superhuman, as none of us are. My best

850
00:41:35,807 --> 00:41:39,127
Speaker 2: is very, very frivolous. My best is that one day

851
00:41:39,167 --> 00:41:42,767
Speaker 2: this week I came to work better, obviously wearing double dead.

852
00:41:44,207 --> 00:41:46,767
Speaker 3: I nearly did that the other day today.

853
00:41:46,927 --> 00:41:52,087
Speaker 2: So many compliments in the air, something something.

854
00:41:52,527 --> 00:41:54,487
Speaker 3: If you would make if me, you would make fun

855
00:41:54,527 --> 00:41:56,047
Speaker 3: of me, so I didn't. But I will have.

856
00:41:56,087 --> 00:41:59,327
Speaker 1: Out wardrobes gone into sink. I have like.

857
00:42:01,047 --> 00:42:04,367
Speaker 2: Because different shades, so well, I've got this outfit I've

858
00:42:04,367 --> 00:42:05,727
Speaker 2: worn a couple of times, because you know me, I

859
00:42:05,727 --> 00:42:07,407
Speaker 2: don't have that many things that I wear all the time.

860
00:42:07,407 --> 00:42:09,887
Speaker 2: I'm a bit of a uniform person. My dark denim

861
00:42:10,247 --> 00:42:12,847
Speaker 2: Karina jeans that I love and this dark denim shirt

862
00:42:12,847 --> 00:42:15,447
Speaker 2: that I got from somewhere, short sleeved shirt. They're not

863
00:42:15,687 --> 00:42:18,007
Speaker 2: meant to be the same, but they are almost the same,

864
00:42:18,047 --> 00:42:21,047
Speaker 2: and whenever I wear them together, maybe with a colorful shoe.

865
00:42:21,207 --> 00:42:22,767
Speaker 2: I was trying hard this day because I was like

866
00:42:22,807 --> 00:42:24,487
Speaker 2: wanting to feel good after feeling sick. So I actually

867
00:42:24,487 --> 00:42:28,607
Speaker 2: wore gold shoes and sparkly socks to get the sparkly

868
00:42:28,647 --> 00:42:30,847
Speaker 2: So they're old and I think they were from top shops.

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Speaker 1: What kind of sparkly socks do you want?

870
00:42:34,047 --> 00:42:36,447
Speaker 3: I just want like a like a.

871
00:42:37,487 --> 00:42:44,807
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Spark packs? You want butter sock?

872
00:42:45,927 --> 00:42:49,527
Speaker 2: Anyway, I wore double denim, and I got so many

873
00:42:49,607 --> 00:42:52,247
Speaker 2: compliments that day that I was like, double denim is

874
00:42:52,247 --> 00:42:54,767
Speaker 2: where it's frickin' at. I'm gonna wear double deadim all

875
00:42:54,847 --> 00:42:57,727
Speaker 2: winter locker. Do it have different shades?

876
00:42:57,807 --> 00:42:58,207
Speaker 1: Let's do it?

877
00:42:58,847 --> 00:43:01,487
Speaker 2: Tell me? Is it better to do double denim of

878
00:43:01,487 --> 00:43:03,647
Speaker 2: different shades or try and match the shades because I

879
00:43:03,687 --> 00:43:05,487
Speaker 2: do both either. Well, I mean I don't do both.

880
00:43:05,527 --> 00:43:06,767
Speaker 2: I've only been matching my shade.

881
00:43:06,767 --> 00:43:10,927
Speaker 1: I think double Denim's just outstanding since Justin Timberlake and

882
00:43:11,167 --> 00:43:14,007
Speaker 1: Britney Spears wore it to the VMA they did double

883
00:43:14,007 --> 00:43:16,327
Speaker 1: double that, they did quadruple Dennil, I'm going to do it.

884
00:43:16,447 --> 00:43:17,967
Speaker 1: I think, well, we should all do it on Monday.

885
00:43:18,007 --> 00:43:20,447
Speaker 1: We'll take photo double it in Monday.

886
00:43:20,447 --> 00:43:20,967
Speaker 2: Mia.

887
00:43:21,047 --> 00:43:23,687
Speaker 1: My worst is that I have been spilling things a

888
00:43:23,687 --> 00:43:25,367
Speaker 1: lot this week. I am a spiller.

889
00:43:25,487 --> 00:43:29,567
Speaker 3: I think that's your burnoutside. Yeah, I don't think you

890
00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:29,967
Speaker 3: burn out.

891
00:43:30,767 --> 00:43:32,327
Speaker 2: It's like how I used to fall over all the

892
00:43:32,527 --> 00:43:34,367
Speaker 2: Remember how I used to fall over all the time.

893
00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:38,607
Speaker 1: I think you could be right. So this week alone,

894
00:43:39,047 --> 00:43:42,727
Speaker 1: I have knocked over a full cup of tea in

895
00:43:42,807 --> 00:43:45,407
Speaker 1: my daughter's bed, fortunately not mine, because I was just

896
00:43:45,447 --> 00:43:48,567
Speaker 1: hanging out in her room. She's away, hanging out in

897
00:43:48,567 --> 00:43:49,407
Speaker 1: her room because.

898
00:43:49,207 --> 00:43:52,007
Speaker 2: She's away, So you know, I would hate that if

899
00:43:52,007 --> 00:43:53,847
Speaker 2: I was with my boundary.

900
00:43:54,087 --> 00:43:55,847
Speaker 1: She's not listening. I know she doesn't like it. She

901
00:43:55,887 --> 00:43:58,007
Speaker 1: doesn't even like outside clothes. You're not allowed to wear

902
00:43:58,007 --> 00:44:01,647
Speaker 1: your outside clothes sitting on her bed anyway, I've been

903
00:44:01,727 --> 00:44:05,447
Speaker 1: like luxuriating and having her bedroom to myself, because you know,

904
00:44:05,567 --> 00:44:08,087
Speaker 1: when you when you live with someone, give up your

905
00:44:08,127 --> 00:44:10,087
Speaker 1: own room. Don't like that, so I've been using her

906
00:44:10,167 --> 00:44:12,687
Speaker 1: room anyway. I knocked over a full cup of and

907
00:44:12,727 --> 00:44:14,687
Speaker 1: you know how big my cups of tea are, full

908
00:44:14,727 --> 00:44:17,647
Speaker 1: cup of tea on the bed. Two days later, I

909
00:44:17,727 --> 00:44:22,247
Speaker 1: was leaving for work early, leaned over the bed to

910
00:44:22,327 --> 00:44:25,047
Speaker 1: kiss my husband goodbye, knocked over a full cup of

911
00:44:25,087 --> 00:44:27,527
Speaker 1: tea from the night before that was cold, that was

912
00:44:27,607 --> 00:44:32,567
Speaker 1: beside the bed, onto the carp And then yesterday I

913
00:44:32,967 --> 00:44:36,927
Speaker 1: was going to put the milk back in the fridge,

914
00:44:37,247 --> 00:44:41,527
Speaker 1: dropped it on the rug in the kitchen, and of

915
00:44:41,567 --> 00:44:43,487
Speaker 1: course I hadn't put the lid on properly because I'm

916
00:44:43,487 --> 00:44:46,247
Speaker 1: not very good with that stuff. Full bottle of liter

917
00:44:46,287 --> 00:44:52,287
Speaker 1: of milk all over, spilt milk. And this morning, Jays,

918
00:44:52,807 --> 00:44:55,567
Speaker 1: I wonder what I'm going to spill today. And then

919
00:44:55,607 --> 00:44:57,727
Speaker 1: I was drinking my smoothie and I spilt it on

920
00:44:57,847 --> 00:44:59,847
Speaker 1: my nose. I don't know how I even did that.

921
00:45:00,167 --> 00:45:02,527
Speaker 1: So yeah, if my spill is my tail, that's that.

922
00:45:03,167 --> 00:45:05,767
Speaker 1: My best of the week is I've got a little

923
00:45:05,807 --> 00:45:07,927
Speaker 1: surprise for you guys. You wouldn't think it's my best

924
00:45:07,967 --> 00:45:10,247
Speaker 1: of the week because it in a bit of a

925
00:45:10,327 --> 00:45:13,847
Speaker 1: sad story, but it actually has just given me so

926
00:45:14,007 --> 00:45:18,127
Speaker 1: many lolls. Here's a little voice note from someone who's

927
00:45:18,127 --> 00:45:20,047
Speaker 1: going to tell you what my best of the week.

928
00:45:20,207 --> 00:45:24,327
Speaker 4: Was, Polly and Jess. It's Julia Bird. Here. I am

929
00:45:25,327 --> 00:45:29,767
Speaker 4: doing a public confession because I fucked up, and Maya

930
00:45:29,807 --> 00:45:31,807
Speaker 4: has asked me to do it. It's kind of, I think,

931
00:45:32,007 --> 00:45:35,047
Speaker 4: like putting my head in the stocks. I had an

932
00:45:35,087 --> 00:45:38,287
Speaker 4: event to go to. I had gold boots. I was

933
00:45:38,287 --> 00:45:39,967
Speaker 4: trying to work out what to wear with it, and

934
00:45:40,007 --> 00:45:42,087
Speaker 4: who else would you think of when you think gold

935
00:45:42,087 --> 00:45:42,687
Speaker 4: and sparkly?

936
00:45:43,447 --> 00:45:43,647
Speaker 5: Yah.

937
00:45:44,087 --> 00:45:48,247
Speaker 4: I texted her and she's so gorgeous. She dropped around

938
00:45:48,247 --> 00:45:50,807
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of her clothes and there was one

939
00:45:50,847 --> 00:45:52,887
Speaker 4: coat I was particularly fond of. Or it to the

940
00:45:52,927 --> 00:45:57,487
Speaker 4: event is fantastic and Mia goes, just wear whatever you

941
00:45:57,607 --> 00:46:02,407
Speaker 4: like until we see each other again. And so last weekend, faithfully,

942
00:46:02,967 --> 00:46:05,007
Speaker 4: I was going to a dinner party and I threw

943
00:46:05,047 --> 00:46:08,287
Speaker 4: it over this this long goldpread coat, over this black

944
00:46:08,367 --> 00:46:11,527
Speaker 4: dress I was wearing. Went to dinner halfway through a

945
00:46:11,607 --> 00:46:14,007
Speaker 4: goat of the bathroom and then I'm sitting there and

946
00:46:14,047 --> 00:46:18,127
Speaker 4: I smell smoke and I look around and the coat

947
00:46:18,567 --> 00:46:21,967
Speaker 4: is on fire. Basically my bob is on fire. And

948
00:46:22,007 --> 00:46:25,247
Speaker 4: I stand up and its flames are coming off it.

949
00:46:25,847 --> 00:46:28,887
Speaker 4: And I had to put on the tiles and stomp

950
00:46:28,927 --> 00:46:32,727
Speaker 4: on it. And there in the ash was me as

951
00:46:32,807 --> 00:46:38,047
Speaker 4: trusted me. I'mgoing And so I was mortified. I went home.

952
00:46:38,127 --> 00:46:41,367
Speaker 4: I googled it. I couldn't find a replacement. I had

953
00:46:41,407 --> 00:46:44,287
Speaker 4: to confess to me out and I said, mate, I've

954
00:46:44,287 --> 00:46:46,847
Speaker 4: done something really bad and I'm literally having kittens and

955
00:46:47,287 --> 00:46:48,887
Speaker 4: I stopped it up and I'm trying to find a

956
00:46:48,927 --> 00:46:51,887
Speaker 4: replacement coat. And she goes, did you lose it? And

957
00:46:51,927 --> 00:46:54,127
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I said it on fire.

958
00:46:55,927 --> 00:46:58,127
Speaker 3: Of course your coat was flammable.

959
00:46:58,687 --> 00:47:02,247
Speaker 1: Of course I have to say. It's one of the

960
00:47:02,287 --> 00:47:05,767
Speaker 1: most expensive coats. Oh no, it's the one you love.

961
00:47:06,727 --> 00:47:11,007
Speaker 1: Love that it's beautiful. Can you do a bad How

962
00:47:11,167 --> 00:47:13,007
Speaker 1: could you have possibly appeared.

963
00:47:12,767 --> 00:47:14,167
Speaker 3: That photo of it? And can you put it on

964
00:47:14,207 --> 00:47:16,087
Speaker 3: the Outliers instogram so that we will say.

965
00:47:16,207 --> 00:47:19,687
Speaker 1: Because it is like beautiful, like I love it. It

966
00:47:19,727 --> 00:47:22,567
Speaker 1: has made me laugh so much because I said to Jules, Babe,

967
00:47:22,607 --> 00:47:23,927
Speaker 1: if you didn't like it, you could have just said

968
00:47:23,927 --> 00:47:26,767
Speaker 1: something on fire, and I'm like, how are you going

969
00:47:26,767 --> 00:47:28,047
Speaker 1: to return it to me in an urn?

970
00:47:28,367 --> 00:47:33,247
Speaker 3: No, maybe this is an elaborate roost. She's actually stolen

971
00:47:33,287 --> 00:47:34,847
Speaker 3: it and she doesn't want to give it back. And

972
00:47:34,847 --> 00:47:35,927
Speaker 3: what do you say? You don't want to say you

973
00:47:35,967 --> 00:47:38,767
Speaker 3: lost it, so you say I accidentally said it on fire.

974
00:47:38,887 --> 00:47:40,447
Speaker 3: This is a very tall tale.

975
00:47:40,767 --> 00:47:43,327
Speaker 2: If she was seen out in it somewhere.

976
00:47:43,047 --> 00:47:47,127
Speaker 1: So true. She's so mortified, and it just I just said,

977
00:47:47,127 --> 00:47:49,407
Speaker 1: here's your penance. You have to make her voicemail. You

978
00:47:49,447 --> 00:47:51,967
Speaker 1: have to confess. And I'm playing it in the podcast.

979
00:47:52,007 --> 00:47:54,767
Speaker 3: What I feel like this is a dilemma because it's like, Okay,

980
00:47:54,767 --> 00:47:57,567
Speaker 3: if you burn a friend's coat, what is.

981
00:47:57,527 --> 00:47:59,007
Speaker 2: Your what do you?

982
00:47:59,327 --> 00:47:59,767
Speaker 8: I like that?

983
00:47:59,807 --> 00:47:59,887
Speaker 7: She?

984
00:48:00,087 --> 00:48:02,327
Speaker 3: You know you should try and replace it. It doesn't exist.

985
00:48:02,567 --> 00:48:04,127
Speaker 1: No, you can't find it anymore.

986
00:48:04,167 --> 00:48:07,487
Speaker 3: So she's just what indebted to you for all of eternity?

987
00:48:07,607 --> 00:48:10,047
Speaker 2: She just have to come round and clean up me

988
00:48:10,127 --> 00:48:12,927
Speaker 2: as spilt smoothies for maybe a decade.

989
00:48:13,047 --> 00:48:14,727
Speaker 1: Yeah, just to wear it. I'm going to buy a

990
00:48:14,727 --> 00:48:17,327
Speaker 1: hair shirt for her away. Oh my goodness, you probably

991
00:48:17,527 --> 00:48:21,607
Speaker 1: one of those. Probably a hairshirt, sparkly hairshit. That has

992
00:48:21,647 --> 00:48:23,967
Speaker 1: been my best because it's just been so funny, like

993
00:48:24,007 --> 00:48:25,887
Speaker 1: of all the things like how about could it be

994
00:48:25,927 --> 00:48:27,687
Speaker 1: if you've stained it or maybe you've lost it left

995
00:48:27,687 --> 00:48:30,527
Speaker 1: it in an uber and she goes, I said it

996
00:48:30,527 --> 00:48:31,167
Speaker 1: on fire.

997
00:48:31,767 --> 00:48:32,767
Speaker 2: I must have been candles.

998
00:48:33,527 --> 00:48:35,407
Speaker 3: My worst is that I've been trying to get back

999
00:48:35,447 --> 00:48:39,847
Speaker 3: into exercise since I was away, and I booked into

1000
00:48:39,847 --> 00:48:41,767
Speaker 3: a pilates class this week. And you know when you

1001
00:48:41,887 --> 00:48:44,447
Speaker 3: organize your whole day around, like Luca's gonna get home

1002
00:48:44,447 --> 00:48:45,967
Speaker 3: and I'm going to do the handover and then I

1003
00:48:46,007 --> 00:48:47,647
Speaker 3: can get out for just one hour and do this

1004
00:48:47,687 --> 00:48:49,207
Speaker 3: class that I really really want to do. I've joined

1005
00:48:49,207 --> 00:48:52,207
Speaker 3: this new gym so excited I leave. I like do

1006
00:48:52,327 --> 00:48:55,207
Speaker 3: my like fast walk to the gym. There's a bit

1007
00:48:55,247 --> 00:48:57,927
Speaker 3: of an issue with the thing to swipe in, run up,

1008
00:48:58,447 --> 00:49:01,087
Speaker 3: open the door, and the person who's running the class

1009
00:49:01,127 --> 00:49:03,447
Speaker 3: just looks at me and goes the class has started,

1010
00:49:03,727 --> 00:49:05,727
Speaker 3: and then close the door in my face. And then

1011
00:49:05,727 --> 00:49:10,607
Speaker 3: I looked at the time and I was one minute.

1012
00:49:09,287 --> 00:49:12,487
Speaker 1: Oh, no, one minute late? Was it a Dallas cowboy

1013
00:49:12,607 --> 00:49:14,487
Speaker 1: cheerleaders class run.

1014
00:49:14,327 --> 00:49:15,607
Speaker 3: By Kelly Kelly?

1015
00:49:15,887 --> 00:49:17,527
Speaker 2: And you haven't got makeup?

1016
00:49:18,207 --> 00:49:19,367
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you look.

1017
00:49:19,287 --> 00:49:23,487
Speaker 3: Like a foot and your nails a quite shit was

1018
00:49:24,287 --> 00:49:28,647
Speaker 3: so upset. So I was like, okay, the only option

1019
00:49:28,807 --> 00:49:31,687
Speaker 3: here is to go into the change room and cry

1020
00:49:31,727 --> 00:49:34,567
Speaker 3: because I just I felt so like vulnerable.

1021
00:49:34,607 --> 00:49:36,567
Speaker 1: If you are holy in my age, you would say,

1022
00:49:36,767 --> 00:49:39,567
Speaker 1: I need to speak to the manager. People have a

1023
00:49:39,567 --> 00:49:42,247
Speaker 1: feedback for do you have a feedback forward?

1024
00:49:42,527 --> 00:49:45,767
Speaker 3: How much it costs to do an exercise class in

1025
00:49:45,807 --> 00:49:48,767
Speaker 3: this day and age? Too much? And I think they

1026
00:49:48,847 --> 00:49:51,087
Speaker 3: give you a little thing if you don't make it.

1027
00:49:51,247 --> 00:49:52,767
Speaker 3: Then I was like, well, I am at the gym

1028
00:49:53,047 --> 00:49:54,807
Speaker 3: as a class inner gym, so I was like, technically

1029
00:49:54,887 --> 00:49:57,887
Speaker 3: I could exercise in another way, but I was meant

1030
00:49:57,887 --> 00:49:59,927
Speaker 3: to do my pilates class.

1031
00:50:00,247 --> 00:50:02,087
Speaker 2: If you're psyched up for a class, you can't just

1032
00:50:02,127 --> 00:50:03,087
Speaker 2: suddenly get on the rower.

1033
00:50:03,127 --> 00:50:06,767
Speaker 3: It's not it doesn't work like that one minute.

1034
00:50:08,207 --> 00:50:09,207
Speaker 1: When you just go to all spoil.

1035
00:50:11,327 --> 00:50:12,647
Speaker 3: This always has ruined to me.

1036
00:50:12,767 --> 00:50:14,927
Speaker 1: Its ruined, it's ruined. I can't.

1037
00:50:15,367 --> 00:50:18,607
Speaker 3: It was so sad. My best is my Saturday night.

1038
00:50:18,607 --> 00:50:20,767
Speaker 3: I haven't told you about my Saturday night. I went

1039
00:50:20,967 --> 00:50:27,087
Speaker 3: out out out I'm going to go out with Okay,

1040
00:50:27,287 --> 00:50:30,447
Speaker 3: So two of my very good friends, their group of mates,

1041
00:50:30,967 --> 00:50:34,127
Speaker 3: run this event called Show Us Your Tips, which is

1042
00:50:34,247 --> 00:50:37,447
Speaker 3: like a queer event it's body and sex positive and

1043
00:50:37,487 --> 00:50:42,247
Speaker 3: basically it's local professionals that perform right pole dancing, but

1044
00:50:42,367 --> 00:50:50,127
Speaker 3: they are naked. What yes, the boobies out, bits, out,

1045
00:50:50,527 --> 00:50:52,167
Speaker 3: all of it out, whole things naked.

1046
00:50:52,167 --> 00:50:53,367
Speaker 1: What other things could you do?

1047
00:50:53,607 --> 00:50:57,007
Speaker 3: And they perform it like they are amazing and like

1048
00:50:57,207 --> 00:50:59,527
Speaker 3: it's not just like it's like a strip tease. No, no,

1049
00:50:59,607 --> 00:51:02,407
Speaker 3: definitely not just me. There was a nude model and

1050
00:51:02,447 --> 00:51:06,167
Speaker 3: everyone had to draw them. There was like a queer

1051
00:51:06,687 --> 00:51:09,007
Speaker 3: pole dancing. I love watching pot you never.

1052
00:51:08,927 --> 00:51:10,287
Speaker 1: Get pole danced.

1053
00:51:10,607 --> 00:51:13,087
Speaker 3: Amazing it was to watch people do it, and they

1054
00:51:13,127 --> 00:51:15,727
Speaker 3: came out at the beginning that it was hosted by

1055
00:51:15,727 --> 00:51:18,607
Speaker 3: this incredible person who was like two rules. Everybody is

1056
00:51:18,647 --> 00:51:21,287
Speaker 3: beautiful body, so we don't body shame here, and bodies

1057
00:51:21,327 --> 00:51:23,887
Speaker 3: of all different shapes and sizes. There was no preference.

1058
00:51:23,887 --> 00:51:26,487
Speaker 3: There was so much diversity. And the second thing was

1059
00:51:26,607 --> 00:51:30,927
Speaker 3: don't touch like the person walking around about photos. No photos,

1060
00:51:30,607 --> 00:51:33,087
Speaker 3: so they put little stickers on the back of your

1061
00:51:33,087 --> 00:51:35,247
Speaker 3: phone camera so that you can't go up and just

1062
00:51:35,287 --> 00:51:37,167
Speaker 3: take a photo of surptitiously.

1063
00:51:37,407 --> 00:51:38,047
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1064
00:51:38,047 --> 00:51:40,647
Speaker 3: So yeah, no photos and just like respect and blah

1065
00:51:40,687 --> 00:51:42,687
Speaker 3: blah blah. And when you buy a ticket you also

1066
00:51:42,727 --> 00:51:44,607
Speaker 3: get like these tokens so that you can tip people

1067
00:51:44,607 --> 00:51:47,567
Speaker 3: as they're like dancing, So the shows your tips essentially

1068
00:51:47,647 --> 00:51:49,087
Speaker 3: like pay the pay the talent.

1069
00:51:49,847 --> 00:51:52,087
Speaker 1: But I just thought, were there men and women?

1070
00:51:52,247 --> 00:51:52,727
Speaker 3: Men and women?

1071
00:51:52,967 --> 00:51:55,407
Speaker 1: Can I ask about the nude pole dancing? Do you

1072
00:51:55,447 --> 00:51:59,287
Speaker 1: not then look up into someone's anus and vagina so closely,

1073
00:51:59,767 --> 00:52:01,327
Speaker 1: so close up into their aus?

1074
00:52:01,447 --> 00:52:03,327
Speaker 3: I think the person on the pole may have kept

1075
00:52:03,407 --> 00:52:06,127
Speaker 3: their G string on, but I just couldn't stop staring.

1076
00:52:06,447 --> 00:52:08,447
Speaker 2: You know, a very long time ago, I was at

1077
00:52:08,487 --> 00:52:13,847
Speaker 2: a not very radical and exciting pole dancing night at

1078
00:52:13,887 --> 00:52:15,847
Speaker 2: some awful strip club in Melbourne. I don't know where

1079
00:52:15,847 --> 00:52:17,607
Speaker 2: I found myself there. I was in my twenties, and

1080
00:52:17,647 --> 00:52:18,807
Speaker 2: these things happened, and.

1081
00:52:19,047 --> 00:52:20,567
Speaker 1: Thought you meant like a couple of weeks ago.

1082
00:52:20,767 --> 00:52:23,487
Speaker 2: The image I will never get out of my mind

1083
00:52:24,167 --> 00:52:26,647
Speaker 2: is after the pole dance had finished, a little man

1084
00:52:26,687 --> 00:52:29,047
Speaker 2: came on with a spray bottle and a little wipey cloth.

1085
00:52:31,847 --> 00:52:35,167
Speaker 2: Obviously you have to for obvious reasons. It just shutters

1086
00:52:35,167 --> 00:52:36,247
Speaker 2: any glad.

1087
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Speaker 3: I want that too, I wanted, and I thought, are

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Speaker 3: they living it up for something? What are they loved that?

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Speaker 3: But the reason I loved it so much was so

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Speaker 3: they said the thing that being about don't touch, and

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Speaker 3: I just thought we've had heaps of conversations about sexual

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Speaker 3: assault and everything. On this show, everyone was just cool,

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00:52:51,047 --> 00:52:53,327
Speaker 3: like you can walk out cool with your boobs out

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Speaker 3: and no one touches you because we're all grown ups

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Speaker 3: and we actually know how to restrain ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Be cool.

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Speaker 3: The second thing was that in the queer community, and

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00:53:00,567 --> 00:53:02,487
Speaker 3: I was very much like, there is an ally, but

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Speaker 3: the history of these communities and sex workers and homophobia,

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00:53:09,527 --> 00:53:11,767
Speaker 3: what some of these people have experienced is really really tough.

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00:53:12,327 --> 00:53:14,927
Speaker 3: And to feel like the pride in the room and

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Speaker 3: the freedom of it was just so much fun. Like

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Speaker 3: I loved, loved being a part of it, and it

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00:53:21,487 --> 00:53:23,607
Speaker 3: was just so entertaining and I just thought this was

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Speaker 3: really cool, amazing. Yeah, it was really really cool. I

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Speaker 3: was out till so late and then I probably drank

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00:53:28,727 --> 00:53:30,167
Speaker 3: a little bit too much, but then I just slept

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Speaker 3: off my hangover and I haven't done that since before

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Speaker 3: and I was born. So it was just a very

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Speaker 3: that's a milestone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I went out and I didn't think about that.

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00:53:38,087 --> 00:53:41,087
Speaker 3: I was just there looking at the boobies and the

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Speaker 3: willies and all that.

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Speaker 1: Loved it.

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Speaker 5: Loved it.

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Speaker 2: That's the best best forrase.

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Speaker 1: That's so good. That should we That also makes sense

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Speaker 1: because on Sunday when all our kids are away, this

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Speaker 1: is one of the best Our kids are away and

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Speaker 1: we've sent our dogs away. Jason and I have an

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00:53:56,767 --> 00:54:00,287
Speaker 1: empty house. We don't remember. We just are like giggling.

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Speaker 1: We're just like since when giggling all the time. We

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Speaker 1: just got all this freedom. We sent the dogs away

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Speaker 1: so it would be like a proper experience. We're having

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00:54:08,607 --> 00:54:10,367
Speaker 1: a sleep in on Sunday morning. Didn't have to get

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Speaker 1: up early to let the dogs out. Luca.

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Speaker 3: If you, Luna, someone look after this baby.

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Speaker 1: It's never over.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Jesse's getting out of here today.

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00:54:20,367 --> 00:54:23,487
Speaker 1: Jesse's very much asleep. Have about your Grandma time.

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Speaker 2: If you're sad that the week is over, do not worry.

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Speaker 2: We have plenty more episodes for you to listen to.

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Speaker 2: If you missed yesterday's subs episode, Oh, we talked about

1135
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Speaker 2: Jesse's therapy dilemma. Here's a little bit of what we said.

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Speaker 3: Recently, someone very clever said stress is actually the denial

1137
00:54:45,527 --> 00:54:48,567
Speaker 3: of emotion, not the emotion itself. So I wish it

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Speaker 3: was more My voice but I hear my psychologist in

1139
00:54:51,207 --> 00:54:53,847
Speaker 3: my head a lot before I make certain decisions. This

1140
00:54:53,927 --> 00:54:57,087
Speaker 3: inner child work, which sounds really woo woo, but basically, like,

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Speaker 3: listen to the deepest part of you that's saying no,

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00:54:59,567 --> 00:55:01,167
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that. No, I'm tired, No

1143
00:55:01,287 --> 00:55:03,727
Speaker 3: I'm sick, No I want to hang out with my daughter.

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Speaker 3: The more you reject that like, it's quite fracturing.

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Speaker 2: We'll put a link in the show notes who that episode.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 2: That's all we've got time for today and this week.

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Speaker 2: Massive thank you to all of you the out louders

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00:55:15,887 --> 00:55:18,927
Speaker 2: for listening today's show. We'll be back in your ears

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Speaker 2: next week. This episode was produced by amaling Ga Zillas.

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00:55:21,647 --> 00:55:24,527
Speaker 2: The assistant producer is Chylie Blackman, with audio production from

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Speaker 2: Leah Porge's.

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Speaker 3: Thank You, I'd Loveless and Goodbye Bye.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to any Muma Mia subscribers listening. If you

1155
00:55:32,847 --> 00:55:35,207
Speaker 1: love the show and want to support us as well,

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00:55:35,407 --> 00:55:37,767
Speaker 1: subscribing to mom and Mia is the very best way

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00:55:37,807 --> 00:55:39,847
Speaker 1: to do so. There is a link in the episode

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