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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges

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Speaker 1: MIA's daily news podcast, The Quickie. As this episode hits

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Speaker 1: your podcast app. The Paralympic opening ceremony is underway in Paris, again,

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Speaker 1: not choosing to host a ceremony inside the stadium this time,

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Speaker 1: the Chamsalissa is hosting four four hundred Paralympic athletes from

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Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty four nations as they get ready

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Speaker 1: to compete in their sport of choice over the next

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Speaker 1: eleven days, hoping to bring home a medal, hopefully of

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Speaker 1: the gold variety. So who are the newbies and the

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Speaker 1: veterans of the Australian Paralympic team. Today we meet our

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Speaker 1: youngest competitor and one who's nearing the record of the

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Speaker 1: most Paralympic campaigns, with Hollyworn and Danny De Toro ready

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Speaker 1: to go for gold in Paris. But first, here's the

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Speaker 1: latest from the Quikie newsroom. Thursday August twenty nine. Australia's

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Speaker 1: LGBTQAA plus community is disappointed in a federal government decision

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six census. Acting Prime Minister Richard Miles back

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Speaker 1: the decision, saying it could open up a divisive debate.

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Speaker 1: But Equality Australia CEO Anna Brown says to assume that

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Speaker 1: all Australians would be angered by a basic acknowledgment of

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Speaker 1: the fact was insulting, saying its preposterous at best, victim

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Speaker 1: blaming at worst. A twenty nineteen report by the federal

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Speaker 1: government estimates one in ten ossies identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual,

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Speaker 1: trans or gender diverse. These people have disproportionately worse mental

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Speaker 1: health outcomes and experienced domestic violence at a higher rate

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Speaker 1: than heterosexual Australians, advocates saying without population level data, researchers

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Speaker 1: can't fully understand what leads to those health disparities. Four

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Speaker 1: days after being arrested at an airport in France, the

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Speaker 1: from custody. Pavel Durov was taken in for questioning over

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Speaker 1: allegations his messaging app is being used for illegal activities.

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Speaker 1: The Russian born French citizen facing twelve alleged criminal violations,

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Speaker 1: including that his platform is being used to share child

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Speaker 1: allowed Durov to leave custody to appear in court at

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Speaker 1: a later date to face a possible indictment. Investigators looking

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Speaker 1: into the assassination attempt to former President Donald Trump still

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Speaker 1: don't have a clear motive for the shooting. Authorities say

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Speaker 1: a nearby building while he attended a rally in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: last month may have seen the rally as a target

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Speaker 1: of opportunity, having searched online for events where both Trump

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Speaker 1: of his online search history revealed a sustained, detailed effort

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Speaker 1: They say that once the event in Pennsylvania was announced,

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Speaker 1: he became hyper focused on it, with his internet searchers

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Speaker 1: grounds of the event, searching for things like where will

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Speaker 1: Trump speak from it? Butler Farm and Butler Farm podium

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Speaker 1: and Butler Farm Show photos. Brooks Shield's daughter Grea has

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Speaker 1: rated her mum's wardrobe for her high school graduation, choosing

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Speaker 1: world today. Next, we meet two Ossie Paralympians as they

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Speaker 1: dial in from Paris. The Paris twenty twenty four Paralympics

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Speaker 1: Champsalise by our flag bearers track and field star Madison

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Speaker 1: Derosario and Swimer Brendan Hole. We have a team of

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Speaker 1: She actually tried out for the twenty twenty Tokyo Games

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Speaker 2: Time, twelve year old me, I was just there for

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Speaker 2: I was just there and just to be here now

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Speaker 1: Holly says. Telling her schoolmates about making the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: But how did you run out all noise when your

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Speaker 1: teenage brain might struggle with it all? Holly says there's

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Speaker 2: Music is everything. Whenever I need to focus, I just

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Speaker 1: All right? Tell me what's on that playlist?

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Speaker 2: A bunch of mixtures of music like I wouldn't even

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Speaker 1: I did notice some of you and your teammates had

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Speaker 1: very Taylor Swift like looking friendship bracelet sign is there's

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Speaker 3: Ah.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there's also something that's really been standing out for

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Speaker 1: Holly as she's trained alongside some of the best swimmers

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Speaker 2: Now, I've learned so much from everyone on the team

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Speaker 1: Now to the other end of the Paralympic spectrum. Just

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Speaker 1: old Danny Detro at a swimming carnival, taking away her

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Speaker 1: wheelchair tennis. That was back in nineteen eighty nine. Fast

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Speaker 1: slams thrown in for good measure. She then turned her

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Speaker 1: so this Paralympic Games is her eighth appearance. Danny, How

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Speaker 1: does that feel to be stepping out for Australia again

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Speaker 3: For me, this is eight Paralympics, which really just think

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Speaker 1: You're one of I think many Paralympians who, when you

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Speaker 1: like superstars at so many different sports. Like you've been

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Speaker 3: table times? Could? I don't see like that?

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Speaker 1: Just quietly you're at a Paralympics. You're much more a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind. I mean it's relative too, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: very different world and the one I've kind of entered

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Speaker 3: way that if you're for whatever reason, you know the

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Speaker 3: sometimes there's that transfer due to just general classification changes.

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Speaker 3: For me as an older person, like com training fifty

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Speaker 3: blessed that opportunity. And finally, like you know, the Paralympic

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Speaker 1: I need to ask you, did you watch any games

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Speaker 3: No, it's one of those things, isn't it. It's honestly, like

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Speaker 3: you can't imagine where your life's going to take you,

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Speaker 3: Like it's nuts, right, Like when you think about just

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Speaker 3: get to just have these very rich experiences. But I

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Speaker 3: I got to hit table tennis balls with like the

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Speaker 3: infamous Melissa Tappa. It was just to muck around. You know,

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Speaker 3: we were sharing an apartment, I was playing tennis. She

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Speaker 3: you know, most tennis players think that they can be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but surely it's like a soccer player playing foosball, right,

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Speaker 1: Denny can ask you what your relationship is like with

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Speaker 3: Clinton, I was ever asking that question before. How marvelous.

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Speaker 1: You know what I love about talking to you now, Danny,

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Speaker 1: Experience as our athletes prepared to dominate the pool, track, field, arena,

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Speaker 1: Well that makes sense. Maybe a duck does make more

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Speaker 1: If you want to catch these two as they compete

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Speaker 1: of the four hundred meter freestyle S seven on September two,

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Speaker 1: Danny's first matches are tonight, August twenty nine, in the

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Speaker 1: Women's Doubles Table tennis WD ten and then the Mixed

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Speaker 1: all our winning vibes to our athletes in Paris, Good

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