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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is MMA MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 1: news podcast, The Quickie. You know those nightmare scenarios where

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Speaker 1: you accidentally add the wrong person to a group chat, Well,

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Speaker 1: imagine doing that. We're classified military information. That's exactly what's

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Speaker 1: happened in the Trump administration. Plus, I don't mean to

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Speaker 1: alarm you, but twenty twenty five marks a new quarter

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Speaker 1: century and also the beginning of a new generation of people.

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Speaker 1: It's time to meet Jen Beater. But first, here's Grace

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Speaker 1: roof Ray. We're the latest from the Quickie newsroom for

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Speaker 1: Thursday March twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: Social media posts have shown hundreds of Palestinians protesting in

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Speaker 2: the north of the Gaza Strip to demand an end

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Speaker 2: to war chanting Hamas out in a rare public show

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Speaker 2: of opposition to the militant group. The posts, which began

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Speaker 2: circulating late u showed people marching down a dusty street

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Speaker 2: between war damaged buildings. The North has been one of

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Speaker 2: the most devastated areas, where most buildings in the densely

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Speaker 2: the population has moved several times to escape. Israel's Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister Benjamin Netanya, who was quick to say the protest

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Speaker 2: showed Israel's decision to renew its offensive was working. Australians

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Speaker 2: struggling with soaring bills are calling for more substantial relief

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Speaker 2: as Opposition leader Peter Dutton prepares to unveil a cost

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Speaker 2: to promise a twelvemonth halving of fuel, cutting petrol and

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Speaker 2: This comes after the Coalition voted against Labour's tax cuts,

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Speaker 2: arguing they provide too little, too late for struggling Australians.

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Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Chalmers defended the cuts as part of a

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Speaker 2: broader relief strategy, while Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor criticized Labour

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Speaker 2: for prioritizing short term gains ahead of the election. Economic

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Speaker 2: policy is set to be a key battleground for this

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Speaker 2: upcoming election, with speculation growing it could be called as

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Speaker 2: early as Friday. More than ninety Gen's West stores are

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Speaker 2: set to close after the company behind the fashion brand collapsed,

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Speaker 2: putting over six hundred retail jobs at risk. Citing tough

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Speaker 2: market conditions and failing consumer spending. The company said brick

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Speaker 2: locations are expected to shut the brand and online store

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Speaker 2: may survive if a restructure succeeds. Stock will be sold

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Speaker 2: off immediately to repay creditors. The Australian Retailers Association warned

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Speaker 2: that rising costs and reduced spending may have left many

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Speaker 2: retailers vulnerable, calling for government support. Genes West's collapse follow

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Speaker 2: similar retail struggles, including Mosaic brands shut down last year,

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Speaker 2: which cost three thousand jobs across brands like Miller's and Rivers.

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Speaker 2: Gwyneth Paltrow and Meghan Markele shut down feud rumors by

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Speaker 2: posting a video together in Paltrow's kitchen. During an Instagram

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Speaker 2: Q and A, Paltrow addresses the speculation, saying I genuinely

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Speaker 2: do not understand this, before turning the camera to Megan,

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Speaker 2: who shrugged and laughed. Rumors arose after Paltrow's breakfast making

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Speaker 2: video resembled scenes from Meghan's Netflix show with Love Megan,

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Speaker 2: even using the same song. Paltrow defended Meghan's new lifestyle brand,

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Speaker 2: saying everyone deserves an attempt at everything they want to try.

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Speaker 2: Despite mixed reviews, Megan's show has been a Netflix hit,

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Speaker 2: and she recently teased a new podcast promising girl talk

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Speaker 1: Thanks Grace. Next, the group chat that's landed US officials

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Speaker 1: in hot water. In what might be one of the

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Speaker 1: has found itself read faced after accidentally adding a journalist, yes,

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Speaker 3: The editor in chief of the Atlantic was accidentally texted

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Speaker 3: military strikes in Yemen. I will repeat that. Jeffrey Goldberg,

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Speaker 3: the editor in chief of The Atlantic, says he was

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Speaker 1: That's Katie Ta from MSNBC, who is just as shocked

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Speaker 4: I know we are always saying that story is coming

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Speaker 4: let me explain. The editor of The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg.

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Speaker 4: encrypted version of WhatsApp. He thought, that's weird because I'm

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Speaker 4: probably should be talking in very encrypted forums and not

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Speaker 1: But I'll give it a go.

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Speaker 4: It's probably a Russian hoax, but let's see. So he

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Speaker 4: joins the group. It's called Hohothy PC Small Group PC

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Speaker 4: refers to national security jargon for Principals Committee. The Huthis

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Speaker 4: and then he discovers that what they are talking about

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Speaker 4: drop bombs on the Hoothies. These are the other people

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Speaker 4: he sees in this group chat. Vice President j. D Vance,

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Speaker 1: That is a huge list of very important.

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Speaker 4: Very important people. He was in a grocery store car

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Speaker 4: the group chat was real. News broke that the Houthies

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Speaker 4: fifty three people had been killed. Steve Witcoff, who is

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Speaker 1: Okay, I still cannot believe that this happened. There are

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Speaker 1: so many questions I want to ask you. Firstly, at

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Speaker 4: It's a really good question. There are still lots of

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Speaker 4: White House's response when Jeffrey Goldberg contacted them was basically

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Speaker 4: nothing to see here. They were having a thoughtful discussion

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Speaker 4: Other members of the group, notifying them that Jeffrey Goldberg

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Speaker 1: Follow up is why does this group chat exist on

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Speaker 4: Yah, can't stress that enough. So there's a place at

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Speaker 4: You're not allowed to take your own phone in there,

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Speaker 4: even it certainly isn't even on the White House WiFi.

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Speaker 4: So people who are national security experts have been coming

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Speaker 4: And they've said it's almost a certainty that Russian and

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Speaker 4: So it's almost a given that the Russians knew exactly

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Speaker 1: So beyond this just being a absolute blunder of like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, we added the wrong person to the

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Speaker 1: group chat. How embarrassing for us. Hope they don't tell

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Speaker 1: people our secrets. What are the national security implications of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, first of all, just to mention, there are

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Speaker 4: legal implications as well. Everyone involved, but particularly Waltz for

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Speaker 1: I just want to take a moment to highlight the

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Speaker 1: irony that's stripping from this story. The Trump administration hung

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton out to drive for her email scandal. If

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Speaker 1: you don't remember, she used her personal email to allegedly

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Speaker 1: This feels almost so much worse.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so Waltz himself, in a twenty twenty three post

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Speaker 4: sent top secret messages to Hillary Clinton's private account, and

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Speaker 4: what was done about it? Not a damn thing. You've

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Speaker 4: got countless examples of that, of all of these people

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Speaker 4: Turns out he basically just had sex and dickpicks on there.

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Speaker 4: But nonetheless we were told that it was a big deal.

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Speaker 1: So the Trump administration has basically said nothing to see here,

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Speaker 1: for now. What about the rest of the US political

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Speaker 1: sphere though, I imagine Democrats are not happy about this.

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Speaker 4: No, and Pete Boudhajeedge and others have come out very

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Speaker 4: strongly saying that this shows that these people can't be

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Speaker 4: is that because it's not a Westminster parliamentary system, opposition

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Speaker 4: one's very interested to hear what Pete boodha Judge has

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Speaker 1: And just very quickly, Amelia, what about the MARGA massive.

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Speaker 1: I feel like last time we spoke there was already

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Speaker 1: division within MARGA supporters of how they were feeling about

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Speaker 1: the current Trump administration. Do you feel like this is

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Speaker 1: pushing some of them even further out. I'm pretty skeptical

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Speaker 4: I think the more interesting marga division is within the

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Speaker 4: White House. You've got a Steve Bannon camp, You've got

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Speaker 4: a Pete haig Seth camp, You've got a micro Rubio camp.

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Speaker 4: I think amongst Trump's supporters there really is an almost

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Speaker 4: cult like quality where they will follow him anywhere. We

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Speaker 4: and they sought to downplay the issue of measles as

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Speaker 4: continue to not vaccinate their children. There was another story

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Speaker 4: recently of a man who went on his honeymoon and

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Speaker 4: said he did not regret his vote for Trump despite

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Speaker 4: the deportation of his wife. So I'm skeptical about whether

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Speaker 4: a national security violation, albeit a pretty disastrous one, is

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Speaker 4: actually going to make any impact amongst Trump supporters.

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Speaker 1: We all heard of Millennials, Gen Z and Jen Alpha,

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Speaker 1: but there's now a new generation emerging, Generation Beta. And

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Speaker 1: while I'm still wrapping my head around Jen Alpha language,

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Speaker 1: like really, if someone can please tell me what skibberty rizzohiomemes,

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Speaker 1: just drop that in the quickiedms, please and thank you.

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Speaker 1: Gen Beter are not just incoming, some of them have

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Speaker 1: actually already arrived. Born from twenty twenty five onwards. These

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Speaker 1: kids will be the first generation to never know a

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Speaker 1: world without artificial intelligence, and they're said to be the

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Speaker 1: most technologically integrated generation we've ever seen. Founder and principle

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Speaker 1: of mcrendall Research, Mark mccrendall has been familiarizing himself with

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Speaker 1: Generation Beta. Mark, who are Gen Beater and what makes

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Speaker 5: Well, firstly, there the generation growing up not just in

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Speaker 5: teachers AI in four where they'll be using technology and

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Speaker 5: of course facilitating that with the human interactions from parents

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Speaker 5: This is the first generation of grap in that environment.

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Speaker 5: But interestingly, the parents of Generation Beta, the gen zs,

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Speaker 5: are the first generation of parents to not fully embrace technology.

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Speaker 5: In fact, they're a bit more tech skeptics rather than

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because I feel like when we look at

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Speaker 1: iPad kids. So you're saying we could see a bit

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Speaker 1: of a departure from that.

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Speaker 5: That's right. You know, generation how far we're born from

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Speaker 5: and it was actually the same year that Instagram was launched,

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Speaker 5: So they've only ever grown up with a world of

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Speaker 5: device and tablets and social media. And the parents you know,

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Speaker 5: of that previous generation, the Alpus, they saw the downsides

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Speaker 5: mid teenage years. We've seen that overall technology added and benefits,

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Speaker 5: but in the feedback we get from research, they say, look,

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Speaker 5: it had a negative on us that created addictive approaches

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Speaker 1: What kind of world are Gen Beta entering when they

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Speaker 1: will eventually reach the workforce. I imagine it's going to

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Speaker 1: look a little bit different to what we're currently looking at.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's for sure, because already we've seen just in

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Speaker 5: more flexible or hybrid working opportunities. What we do in

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Speaker 5: just localized ones. And we're going to see with this

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Speaker 5: emerging generation even more of that. We'll see portfolio careers

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Speaker 5: where they'll move We estimate across six separate careers in

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Speaker 5: their lifetime. They'll up skill and retrain, They'll be lifelong learners.

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Speaker 5: Education won't just be at the start of life. But

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Speaker 5: to remain relevant, they'll be more entrepreneurial, so not just

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Speaker 5: looking for job, as many will start jobs, and it's

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Speaker 5: that era where they've been inspired by others that have

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Speaker 5: in addition to all of that, they'll be using AI.

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Speaker 5: They'll be globally and digitally connected. And they'll be the

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Speaker 5: most formally educated generation ever, beginning their education earlier and

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Speaker 5: staying in education longer. They'll be bringing that knowledge as

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Speaker 1: You're painting quite an inspirational and optimistic picture their mark.

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Speaker 1: Are there any concerns that you have for this generation?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there are. I mean they're coming of age in

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Speaker 5: a time where economic unsse certainty prevails, where global geopolitical

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Speaker 5: uncertainty is a little bit more volatile than we've seen

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Speaker 5: for some decades, where global connectivity provides great opportunities, but

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Speaker 5: it can create some challenges as well if jobs or

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Speaker 5: earnings or companies get offshot and local Australian gen beaters

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Speaker 5: miss out on some of that, but does require them

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Speaker 5: amid spas changing careers, but the life cycle of a

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Speaker 5: they'll need to keep an eye on their pathway to

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Speaker 5: remain relevant into the long term. They'll live longer, I

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Speaker 5: mean longevity we're seeing continue to increase, and that'll mean

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Speaker 5: they'll be able to work later in life as well.

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Speaker 5: And many will want you, not just for financial reasons,

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Speaker 5: but many will have to because we're seeing costs of

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Speaker 5: socially globally, but new opportunities as well. I think it

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Speaker 5: is important that we recognize that we sit in a

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Speaker 5: spectrum of generations, seven generations currently alive in Australia. Many

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Speaker 5: for them, but many will come after, and we've got

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Speaker 5: a steward things well for the coworts yet to come.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for taking some time to feature mind with us today.

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Speaker 1: The Quikie is produced by me Taylor Strano and Grace Rubrae,

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Speaker 1: with audio production by Lou Hill.