WEBVTT - The Robert Irwin Bread Theory, Tariffs & 7 Point Dressing 0:00:10.622 --> 0:00:13.341 You're listening to a Mama Mia podcast. 0:00:13.822 --> 0:00:17.182 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:17.222 --> 0:00:21.262 that this podcast is recorded on. So I'm wearing a 0:00:21.302 --> 0:00:24.941 dress today and shoes. My dress is probably one, right, 0:00:25.462 --> 0:00:27.422 my shoes are red, so I might get two for those. 0:00:27.502 --> 0:00:29.461 Yeah, I think you're a two point shoe lady. 0:00:29.862 --> 0:00:33.181 Because I love an interesting shoe. But then I've stopped. 0:00:33.462 --> 0:00:38.542 Whereas if I was a person, would I've looked in 0:00:38.622 --> 0:00:41.342 the mirror and gone, maybe a belt, maybe a bag, 0:00:41.502 --> 0:00:46.342 maybe a fascinator on a Monday morning. But it's accessories. 0:00:46.382 --> 0:00:51.502 How do you get good at that? Hello, and welcome 0:00:51.502 --> 0:00:53.862 to Mamma Mia. Out loud what women are actually talking 0:00:53.862 --> 0:00:56.902 about on Monday, the seventh of April. My name's Holly 0:00:56.942 --> 0:01:00.102 Wayne Wright. And no, I didn't get any of Megan's jam. 0:01:00.182 --> 0:01:03.302 If you're wondering, did you try? Yes? But I was 0:01:03.342 --> 0:01:07.862 too late. And also she wasn't shipping to Australia. This 0:01:07.902 --> 0:01:10.381 is a detail that I was not aware of before 0:01:10.462 --> 0:01:11.822 I click click. 0:01:11.902 --> 0:01:14.142 Did you consider getting it shipped to your parents to 0:01:14.142 --> 0:01:14.822 then ship it to you? 0:01:14.902 --> 0:01:17.462 Well, I was already too late because Megan's jammed. For 0:01:17.502 --> 0:01:20.782 all the naysayers, every single thing on that site sold 0:01:20.822 --> 0:01:23.982 out with inseconds. There are no flower pedals left in California. 0:01:24.182 --> 0:01:25.102 Oh my goodness. 0:01:25.502 --> 0:01:27.502 I'll keep you updated out loud. At many of you 0:01:27.582 --> 0:01:31.062 were concerned. If the situation changes and a JAM shipment 0:01:31.062 --> 0:01:32.462 should arrive, we will let you know. 0:01:33.142 --> 0:01:36.262 I'm Jesse Stevens and I just plucked a long hair 0:01:36.302 --> 0:01:36.982 out of my cheek. 0:01:37.142 --> 0:01:37.862 I love that. 0:01:38.262 --> 0:01:39.382 Does anyone else have a long hair? 0:01:39.422 --> 0:01:39.542 Oh? 0:01:39.622 --> 0:01:41.022 Yeah, just one on this cheek? 0:01:41.142 --> 0:01:43.102 Yeah, I had one just here. I've also got a 0:01:43.102 --> 0:01:46.062 long one just here on my arm old friend. 0:01:46.262 --> 0:01:50.382 Yeah, I'm Amelia Lester. I enjoy hot cross barns. I'm 0:01:50.502 --> 0:01:53.142 my hot crossbarn era. Really yeah. I heat them up 0:01:53.142 --> 0:01:54.702 in the microwave for ten seconds. 0:01:54.742 --> 0:01:56.902 I hate them toasted. Gotta haven't toasted. 0:01:57.022 --> 0:01:59.102 And the funny thing is I don't normally like raisins 0:01:59.142 --> 0:02:01.862 and my sultana hater, But in a hot cross barn. 0:02:02.742 --> 0:02:05.422 What's your recommendation for the absolute best hot cross bun 0:02:05.542 --> 0:02:06.182 Like if you're going. 0:02:06.102 --> 0:02:08.222 To get my partner brought home from the shops the 0:02:08.262 --> 0:02:13.462 other week, fruits hot crusts, they're literally called fruitless inappropriate. 0:02:13.781 --> 0:02:15.341 I don't like to mess with hot cross bunds, no 0:02:15.422 --> 0:02:16.502 chop chips, none of that stuff. 0:02:16.542 --> 0:02:19.182 You just need the og Oh I knew you'd say that, 0:02:19.222 --> 0:02:20.862 but you need to try the bisco off ones. 0:02:21.342 --> 0:02:25.542 Okay, and the show today. None of this, absolutely, none 0:02:25.542 --> 0:02:27.862 of this is on the show today, Breds. We're just 0:02:28.382 --> 0:02:29.621 gone off Monday, offscript. 0:02:29.742 --> 0:02:31.502 Okay, I'm not gonna talk more about Jesse's hair. 0:02:32.102 --> 0:02:33.102 Also, get one on my chin. 0:02:34.902 --> 0:02:38.302 Okay, back in the room. Bamboozled by all the tariff 0:02:38.342 --> 0:02:43.142 talk modeled about the stock market mayen lucky for all 0:02:43.181 --> 0:02:47.262 of us, Amelia Lester is not, and she's going to 0:02:47.342 --> 0:02:49.502 explain it all to us in a way that makes sense. 0:02:49.622 --> 0:02:52.302 Well, we're plucking our chin hairs. Amelia is doing a 0:02:52.302 --> 0:02:55.702 bit of research about tariffs. Thanks God, you make. 0:02:55.662 --> 0:03:00.142 Us sound like we are anyway. Also, the new rules 0:03:00.142 --> 0:03:03.302 for women's bodies and exercise that are changing everything quickly, 0:03:03.462 --> 0:03:06.502 and the seven point rule that's going to change how 0:03:06.542 --> 0:03:09.062 you get dressed. But first, we're going to be much 0:03:09.062 --> 0:03:13.422 improved by the end of this episode. But first, Jesse Stevens. 0:03:12.982 --> 0:03:15.422 In case he missed it, Robert Erwin may or may 0:03:15.542 --> 0:03:17.382 not have bread in his pants. 0:03:17.822 --> 0:03:20.342 Wait, explain who Robert Irwin is? Because I keep seeing 0:03:20.342 --> 0:03:22.542 a photo of him. I don't fully understand. 0:03:22.702 --> 0:03:26.422 Robert Irwin is the son of the late Steve. 0:03:26.622 --> 0:03:27.621 Isn't he like five? 0:03:27.902 --> 0:03:31.422 Okay? He was born in two thousand and three, which 0:03:31.422 --> 0:03:32.662 allegedly makes. 0:03:32.462 --> 0:03:35.822 Him two years older than my daughter. No, no, no, 0:03:35.862 --> 0:03:37.302 that's wrong. No, no, my niece. 0:03:37.342 --> 0:03:41.902 It's okay, okay, because somehow years Monday, I had to 0:03:41.942 --> 0:03:45.062 google that two pieces of information. But allegedly that man 0:03:45.182 --> 0:03:47.662 is twenty one years old, and you remember him as 0:03:47.662 --> 0:03:49.542 a newborn. You remember him as a toddler with a 0:03:49.542 --> 0:03:53.142 bowl cut. Gorgeous, gorgeous, and look, he was part of 0:03:53.142 --> 0:03:57.062 a new Bonds campaign posing with a giant snake, a spider. 0:03:58.902 --> 0:04:00.062 There was a giant snake. 0:04:00.462 --> 0:04:02.902 There was a real giant, a giant snake, and there 0:04:02.902 --> 0:04:06.302 was a giant snake. Come on, he was looking. 0:04:06.142 --> 0:04:09.222 Very handsome, and we had some complicated feelings as well 0:04:09.302 --> 0:04:11.982 as triggering deep psychological crises for women and men all 0:04:12.022 --> 0:04:14.982 over the world. These photos have given way to a 0:04:15.022 --> 0:04:18.701 bread theory. Now if you look closely, which I haven't, 0:04:18.741 --> 0:04:21.101 but other people did, and therefore I read their commentary 0:04:21.101 --> 0:04:26.342 about how close the Crutchal region is allegedly very smooth, 0:04:26.821 --> 0:04:30.422 It's very even and very tidy. Jackie O, as well 0:04:30.462 --> 0:04:33.182 as a few other industry insiders, have talked about how 0:04:33.262 --> 0:04:36.861 four Underwear shoots. What they do is put a slice 0:04:36.902 --> 0:04:39.021 of white bread. I don't know why it couldn't be 0:04:39.262 --> 0:04:40.902 maybe wholemeal would be a little bumpy. 0:04:41.061 --> 0:04:44.021 I think that white bread, particularly if it's like the 0:04:44.061 --> 0:04:48.342 real white bread, you know, the really supermarketing white bread, 0:04:48.702 --> 0:04:50.461 is moldable in a way like you could roll that 0:04:50.501 --> 0:04:51.301 stuff into a ball. 0:04:51.381 --> 0:04:52.301 If you turn your. 0:04:52.181 --> 0:04:55.421 Saldo into a ball, it isn't working grainy. Wholemeal is a. 0:04:55.582 --> 0:04:59.662 Working right, No, no, no, So it's white bread. And 0:04:59.741 --> 0:05:03.981 apparently JACKIEO said that sometimes they moisturize the bread and 0:05:04.022 --> 0:05:06.662 then use it like Plato, to just go over it. 0:05:07.022 --> 0:05:09.501 So what they do is it pads out the air, 0:05:09.902 --> 0:05:13.662 provides a nice little cushion and any rough edges or 0:05:13.702 --> 0:05:15.821 bits and pieces aren't sticking out. 0:05:16.222 --> 0:05:19.022 Someone think of the penis models. I can't be comfortable. 0:05:19.101 --> 0:05:20.782 I know, what are you to do with the bread? 0:05:21.022 --> 0:05:23.501 Speaking of Hot Cross parks. 0:05:22.981 --> 0:05:25.141 I have never seen so many women lose their minds 0:05:25.142 --> 0:05:27.782 so quickly as when those pictures came out on Friday morning. 0:05:27.821 --> 0:05:32.421 It's really strange because women of all ages feel unsure 0:05:32.541 --> 0:05:35.861 about it. But he's twenty one. As we've established like, 0:05:35.941 --> 0:05:38.781 he's allowed to have it, allowed to show us as pants. 0:05:38.902 --> 0:05:42.701 He's very handsome and he's really big in the US. 0:05:42.821 --> 0:05:44.821 His bonds are going to be selling lots of pants 0:05:44.821 --> 0:05:46.261 in the US, is what you're trying to say? 0:05:46.342 --> 0:05:50.462 Yes, exactly right, go bonds. Then Australian success story are over. 0:05:50.541 --> 0:05:52.021 What about the tariffs exactly? 0:05:52.501 --> 0:05:56.142 How is that gonna work merely less to save us 0:05:56.342 --> 0:05:58.022 from our purient selves? 0:05:58.142 --> 0:06:02.222 Please? So, in case you hadn't heard, last Wednesday was 0:06:02.262 --> 0:06:06.301 Liberation Day. Feeling good everyone? That was the day Donald 0:06:06.301 --> 0:06:09.981 Trump announced tariffs on every country in the world except 0:06:10.061 --> 0:06:13.741 North Korea and Russia, and including countries that are just 0:06:13.782 --> 0:06:17.621 inhabited by penguins. But we'll get to the penguins later. First, 0:06:17.702 --> 0:06:20.862 I want to see if you, Holly and Jesse, had 0:06:20.861 --> 0:06:23.781 any questions about tariffs that you were afraid to ask, because, 0:06:23.861 --> 0:06:26.382 let's face it, none of us thought we'd be sitting 0:06:26.381 --> 0:06:28.101 here thinking this much about tariff. 0:06:28.301 --> 0:06:30.822 Can we start at the very basic yes, what is 0:06:30.861 --> 0:06:31.462 a tariff? 0:06:32.902 --> 0:06:36.061 A tariff is a tax on an import that is 0:06:36.101 --> 0:06:39.822 paid by the company that imports the good is. 0:06:39.782 --> 0:06:43.502 The idea that Trump's like, we're going to incentivize Americans 0:06:43.501 --> 0:06:46.182 to make their own stuff. What's the purpose behind all 0:06:46.181 --> 0:06:46.422 of this? 0:06:46.621 --> 0:06:49.622 Such a good idea, Jesse. What we think the purpose 0:06:49.741 --> 0:06:52.342 is is that he wants to get back to a 0:06:52.421 --> 0:06:55.861 stage where Americans were making more things. So, yes, not 0:06:55.981 --> 0:06:58.701 a stage when there was more manufacturing. A couple of 0:06:58.741 --> 0:07:02.981 issues with that. First, robots do most manufacturing now, not humans, ok, 0:07:03.181 --> 0:07:06.061 because we live in twenty twenty five. And the second 0:07:06.142 --> 0:07:08.701 problem is that everything from the phone that listeners are 0:07:08.741 --> 0:07:10.782 probably listening to this on to the clothes that we 0:07:10.821 --> 0:07:14.021 are wearing, they all depend on these really complex supply 0:07:14.182 --> 0:07:16.222 chains these days. So the idea that you can just 0:07:16.342 --> 0:07:18.862 isolate the making of the good from all the stuff 0:07:18.902 --> 0:07:20.941 that goes into the good doesn't really work right. 0:07:21.022 --> 0:07:24.662 So what you're saying is the phone or the pen 0:07:24.821 --> 0:07:27.662 or the whatever that we're importing into America probably has 0:07:27.702 --> 0:07:29.542 lots of things in it that have to be imported 0:07:29.582 --> 0:07:31.662 to the place where it's manufactured. There are tariffs on 0:07:31.702 --> 0:07:34.902 all those things. Then we sell the pen to America, Yes, 0:07:35.022 --> 0:07:36.902 we have to pay a tariff to do that. Yes, 0:07:37.182 --> 0:07:39.782 he wants to make it more expensive to import your 0:07:39.821 --> 0:07:43.302 things into America, so that foreign things are more expensive 0:07:43.302 --> 0:07:43.982 in America. 0:07:44.102 --> 0:07:47.182 Yeah, correct, that's correct. So here's like two concrete examples. 0:07:47.222 --> 0:07:51.782 So computers and phones depend on semiconductors, which are made 0:07:51.821 --> 0:07:55.902 by basically made by two countries, Taiwan and the Netherlands. 0:07:56.422 --> 0:07:59.222 America's starting to try and make them, but they're really 0:07:59.302 --> 0:08:01.381 only made by those two countries, which by the way, 0:08:01.422 --> 0:08:04.382 have huge tariffs on them. So your phones and your 0:08:04.381 --> 0:08:07.381 computers are about to get more expensive. So here's a 0:08:07.422 --> 0:08:10.862 really salient example for why terra don't really make sense. 0:08:11.262 --> 0:08:14.542 Botswana has now had these tariffs imposed on it by 0:08:14.582 --> 0:08:18.261 the US of forty percent. Botswana mostly imports to the 0:08:18.342 --> 0:08:21.821 US diamonds. The US can't just make diamonds in a 0:08:21.902 --> 0:08:25.261 factory because they're found in the ground. They're not something 0:08:25.262 --> 0:08:27.342 you can make, and so it's just going to end 0:08:27.422 --> 0:08:30.142 up making diamonds more expensive coming into the US and 0:08:30.222 --> 0:08:33.142 not have any actual impact on anything else. So I 0:08:33.182 --> 0:08:35.222 think a lot of people didn't know what a tariff 0:08:35.462 --> 0:08:37.822 was when Trump started talking about this, and I don't 0:08:37.822 --> 0:08:40.502 really blame them because tariffs were last popular about a 0:08:40.542 --> 0:08:43.542 century ago in the nineteen thirties and twenties, and. 0:08:43.502 --> 0:08:47.262 They were popular because it was seen as being let's 0:08:47.302 --> 0:08:50.542 make sure that the importers are paying US. I don't 0:08:50.622 --> 0:08:52.782 understand why they would be popular when they just make 0:08:52.822 --> 0:08:53.901 everything more expensive. 0:08:54.022 --> 0:08:57.742 So here's a really interesting theory that I've heard about 0:08:57.822 --> 0:09:00.622 why people liked the idea of the tariffs. It's basically 0:09:00.622 --> 0:09:03.302 got to do with gender. American unemployment is really low 0:09:03.382 --> 0:09:05.942 rate now. It's around four percent, which is about as 0:09:05.982 --> 0:09:08.702 low as you can possibly get. When Trump started talking 0:09:08.742 --> 0:09:11.342 about bringing back my manufacturing jobs to America, he was 0:09:11.382 --> 0:09:14.822 basically acting as though the entire services industry. By services, 0:09:14.862 --> 0:09:17.582 I don't just mean restaurant workers, I mean anyone who 0:09:17.622 --> 0:09:22.142 doesn't make a thing but instead provides a thing, provides 0:09:22.142 --> 0:09:25.222 a service that doesn't exist. And the reason why the 0:09:25.262 --> 0:09:29.422 manufacturing pitch was popular is because men work in manufacturing 0:09:29.862 --> 0:09:34.022 the services industries. Women also work in services industries. So 0:09:34.062 --> 0:09:37.262 what he's really saying is enough of the jobs for women, 0:09:37.782 --> 0:09:39.822 I want more jobs for men. 0:09:40.182 --> 0:09:43.102 And I've also heard him say that he wants other 0:09:43.142 --> 0:09:46.342 countries to maybe move their manufacturing to the US to 0:09:46.342 --> 0:09:49.742 try and avoid the tariffs. Is that right? So he's like, Taiwan, 0:09:50.222 --> 0:09:53.702 come build your stuff in America, employ Americans and then 0:09:53.702 --> 0:09:55.662 you get around the tariffs. But surely you can't just 0:09:55.662 --> 0:09:58.662 click your fingers and build a factory and make it 0:09:58.662 --> 0:10:01.622 all work within the next electoral term. 0:10:01.702 --> 0:10:04.062 Yeah, factories take a long time to build. But we 0:10:04.102 --> 0:10:06.502 also get back to the problem that the world economy 0:10:06.542 --> 0:10:09.262 relies on the idea that some people have stuff that 0:10:09.302 --> 0:10:11.982 others people want, and an example of that is going 0:10:12.022 --> 0:10:13.582 to be beef. So let's listen to what he had 0:10:13.622 --> 0:10:15.102 to say about Australian beef. 0:10:15.382 --> 0:10:20.102 Australia bands and they're wonderful people and wonderful everything, but 0:10:20.142 --> 0:10:24.422 they ban American beef. Yet we imported three billion dollars 0:10:24.422 --> 0:10:28.102 of Australian beef from them just last year alone. They 0:10:28.102 --> 0:10:30.142 won't take any of our beef. They don't want it 0:10:30.182 --> 0:10:32.702 because they don't want it to affect their farmers. And 0:10:32.742 --> 0:10:34.342 you know what, I don't blame them, but we're doing 0:10:34.382 --> 0:10:38.422 the same thing right now. Starting about midnay tonight, they 0:10:38.462 --> 0:10:39.182 would say. 0:10:39.582 --> 0:10:42.702 Okay, I've gone deep on the beef question. Australia does 0:10:42.782 --> 0:10:45.662 ban us beef imports. You want to know why it 0:10:45.702 --> 0:10:49.142 does that. It was really worried about disease about twenty 0:10:49.222 --> 0:10:52.182 years ago, but now it also bans it because the 0:10:52.302 --> 0:10:56.182 US has live cattle imports from Canada and Mexico, Australia 0:10:56.262 --> 0:10:58.742 really knows exactly what has happened to its beef from 0:10:58.822 --> 0:11:01.742 cow to burger. It can trace exactly from the cow 0:11:01.822 --> 0:11:04.342 to the burger what happened along the way. The US 0:11:04.422 --> 0:11:07.222 can't do that because it's still getting cows from Canada 0:11:07.262 --> 0:11:10.062 and Mexico, and so it can't track the whole way 0:11:10.102 --> 0:11:11.782 and assure its safety the whole way. 0:11:12.262 --> 0:11:15.222 So what is this actually going to do to the 0:11:15.342 --> 0:11:18.062 US economy, Because it feels like people are panicking. 0:11:18.222 --> 0:11:21.262 McDonald's in the US uses a lot of Australian beef. 0:11:21.502 --> 0:11:24.822 The reason is because the US government has said, hey, 0:11:24.862 --> 0:11:27.542 if you make a burger, it has to have less 0:11:27.542 --> 0:11:30.662 than thirty percent fat content. This is one of the 0:11:30.782 --> 0:11:35.022 US government's big edicts. And American beef is really fatty 0:11:35.142 --> 0:11:37.822 because it's grain fed. Australian beef is lean because it's 0:11:37.902 --> 0:11:41.021 grass fed. The US is like, let's get some Australian 0:11:41.062 --> 0:11:43.062 beef in here, three billion dollars worth of it to 0:11:43.222 --> 0:11:45.902 help make our hamburger patties, because they literally can't make 0:11:45.902 --> 0:11:48.622 the hamburger patties in the way that the US government 0:11:48.662 --> 0:11:51.542 says it has to without the beef from Australia and 0:11:51.542 --> 0:11:54.822 some other country. We's got great Australia, great beef. So 0:11:54.902 --> 0:11:58.062 now Trump, who loves burgers and loves McDonald's burgers by 0:11:58.102 --> 0:12:00.102 the way, is going to see his big Max get 0:12:00.222 --> 0:12:01.381 really expensive. 0:12:01.422 --> 0:12:05.022 It's good to hear that we're wonderful everything here in Australia, 0:12:05.102 --> 0:12:07.622 as he says. But to Jesse's point about what this 0:12:07.662 --> 0:12:09.662 is going to do to the economy, it feels like 0:12:09.702 --> 0:12:14.262 since Liberation Day we've just heard markets in free fall 0:12:14.622 --> 0:12:19.182 global wall. Can the rest of the world kind of 0:12:19.222 --> 0:12:22.182 pretend that America doesn't exist and go kind of all right, 0:12:22.262 --> 0:12:25.622 you and your tariff system is going to create mayhem. 0:12:25.662 --> 0:12:27.862 So we're just going to turn to other trading partners. 0:12:27.862 --> 0:12:29.662 We're just going to look at other markets, like can 0:12:29.702 --> 0:12:31.582 we put our fingers in ours and go la la la? 0:12:31.622 --> 0:12:32.102 Is my question? 0:12:32.102 --> 0:12:34.702 It's a great question, I think sort of. So the 0:12:34.702 --> 0:12:38.982 ABC's Alan Kohler, he's actually argued exactly what you're saying here, Holly. 0:12:39.062 --> 0:12:42.261 He has said that there's nothing for Australia to negotiate 0:12:42.302 --> 0:12:45.382 with the US because it doesn't put tariffs on American imports. 0:12:45.542 --> 0:12:47.622 So there's nothing to say, hey, we'll stop putting a 0:12:47.662 --> 0:12:49.902 tariff on this if you do this. And Albanezy has 0:12:49.902 --> 0:12:53.622 said on beef and pharmaceuticals because of the pharmaceutical benefits scheme, 0:12:53.662 --> 0:12:56.302 America is also mad at Australia about cheap drugs that 0:12:56.422 --> 0:12:59.862 Australia imports. He's said, these are not up for discussions. 0:12:59.862 --> 0:13:02.182 So if you take beef and pharmaceuticals off the table, 0:13:02.222 --> 0:13:04.942 there's nothing really for Australia to bargain with the US on. 0:13:05.062 --> 0:13:06.462 So we kind of just have to get on with 0:13:06.542 --> 0:13:09.182 it as though it wasn't happening. And I think for 0:13:09.222 --> 0:13:12.102 the most most part, the analysis is that the Australian 0:13:12.142 --> 0:13:14.502 economy and the things that we export are going to 0:13:14.582 --> 0:13:17.102 be fine. Cars are going to get more expensive. That's 0:13:17.182 --> 0:13:21.022 kind of unavoidable because Australia, yes, because cars have parts 0:13:21.062 --> 0:13:23.542 from all over the world, so all of those countries 0:13:23.742 --> 0:13:28.102 that's going to be a problem for them. But wine, beef, pharmaceuticals, 0:13:28.142 --> 0:13:31.382 these are all big exports of Australia. For the most part, 0:13:31.502 --> 0:13:33.542 they say that they're going to find other markets to 0:13:33.582 --> 0:13:36.141 sell to. The beef exporters have said they're going to 0:13:36.142 --> 0:13:37.702 go to Europe, Europe needs a lot of beef for 0:13:37.742 --> 0:13:38.342 steak tatar. 0:13:39.142 --> 0:13:42.262 So what do Americans think about this right now? Like 0:13:42.342 --> 0:13:45.422 is there a general sense there of whether they some 0:13:45.422 --> 0:13:47.382 people still sported of tariffs, or now that they know 0:13:47.422 --> 0:13:50.662 what it actually looks like, has the tide turned. 0:13:51.022 --> 0:13:52.782 I don't think they yet know what it's actually going 0:13:52.822 --> 0:13:54.862 to look like, because if you think about like how 0:13:54.902 --> 0:13:57.582 global shipping and everything works, like the goods that you're 0:13:57.622 --> 0:14:01.422 buying today were probably brought into the country months ago, 0:14:01.662 --> 0:14:03.302 So it's not as if the prices are going to 0:14:03.342 --> 0:14:06.262 immediately skyrocket, but it's just going to be like in 0:14:06.302 --> 0:14:08.542 a year's time, an iPhone or a big mac is 0:14:08.542 --> 0:14:10.902 going to cost so much more for the average American 0:14:10.982 --> 0:14:12.822 than they used to. And I think that's when the 0:14:12.822 --> 0:14:15.942 pain's really going to hit. And what about the penguins, Oh, 0:14:16.062 --> 0:14:19.062 what about the penguins. So you've probably been seeing memes 0:14:19.182 --> 0:14:21.582 of penguins who are mad at Donald Trump, and this 0:14:21.742 --> 0:14:25.262 is because he did put a ten percent reciprocal tariff 0:14:25.302 --> 0:14:28.582 on the herd of McDonald Islands. These are actually Australian 0:14:28.582 --> 0:14:33.502 Maxternald territories near Antarctica. These are home to penguins, seals, glaciers, 0:14:33.662 --> 0:14:35.902 no humans. The only way you can get there is 0:14:36.022 --> 0:14:38.422 by a two week voyage on a boat from Perth. 0:14:38.862 --> 0:14:41.342 But the penguins do have a ten percent tariff that 0:14:41.382 --> 0:14:44.462 they're going to have to pay what the penguins are exporting. 0:14:45.142 --> 0:14:48.822 In a moment, the conversation about women's health has changed everything. 0:14:53.582 --> 0:14:56.782 Exercise early before you eat anything, put off that first 0:14:56.822 --> 0:14:59.902 meal until noon, don't eat after five. Cardio is king. 0:15:00.422 --> 0:15:02.942 If you've had a loop track of body and exercise 0:15:03.182 --> 0:15:06.822 rules playing in your head for decades, please allow us 0:15:06.822 --> 0:15:09.342 an enormous record scratch through the whole thing, because it, 0:15:10.422 --> 0:15:13.462 like everything we know about women's health is changing quickly. 0:15:14.382 --> 0:15:18.462 Dr Stacy Simms is an exercise physiologist and nutrition scientist 0:15:18.542 --> 0:15:21.622 from Stamford University in the States, and she has been 0:15:21.622 --> 0:15:25.542 doing the rounds of some podcasts lately, blowing people's minds 0:15:25.822 --> 0:15:27.902 with her insights into why it is that if you 0:15:27.942 --> 0:15:29.422 and a man in your life, and there'll be a 0:15:29.462 --> 0:15:32.582 lot of listeners who recognize this situation, if you and 0:15:32.622 --> 0:15:34.622 a man in your life embark on some kind of 0:15:34.662 --> 0:15:37.662 health and fitness challenge at the same time, On like 0:15:37.782 --> 0:15:40.942 day five, he's boasting about all his results and you're 0:15:41.022 --> 0:15:44.182 still slogging waiting for something to change. On about day twenty, 0:15:44.982 --> 0:15:47.382 Dr Simms knows why this is and she went on 0:15:47.622 --> 0:15:50.982 Mel Robbins of Yes Let Them Fames podcasts last week 0:15:51.022 --> 0:15:54.422 and spelled out some truths about it. Her mantra is 0:15:54.502 --> 0:15:56.902 women are not small men, and she says that the 0:15:56.942 --> 0:16:01.342 exercise industry just shrinks and pinks what works for dudes 0:16:01.542 --> 0:16:06.622 to work for women and it doesn't, for example, exercising 0:16:06.742 --> 0:16:09.502 first thing in the morning. Last week, Dr Sims went 0:16:09.582 --> 0:16:11.942 on Mel Robins's podcast, Yes They Let the Woman and 0:16:12.062 --> 0:16:15.222 spelled out some new rules. Here's male's first question about 0:16:15.222 --> 0:16:17.222 what's different between men and women's workouts. 0:16:17.622 --> 0:16:21.302 What's the most common mistake that women make by following 0:16:21.582 --> 0:16:25.142 male centric fitness advice. Women's bodies don't respond well to 0:16:25.182 --> 0:16:26.662 facet training. What's fast training? 0:16:26.662 --> 0:16:27.782 I don't even know what the heck this is? 0:16:27.822 --> 0:16:27.862 Like. 0:16:29.182 --> 0:16:31.542 Fast training means you're not having any food before you 0:16:31.582 --> 0:16:34.862 go do exercise. It comes really to the brain, right, 0:16:34.902 --> 0:16:37.742 So when we start looking just at first thing you 0:16:37.782 --> 0:16:41.902 get up, and our responses are different, where women's brains 0:16:41.942 --> 0:16:45.102 will start going, Okay, where's the food to come in 0:16:45.182 --> 0:16:48.102 to help bring my stress hormones down? And get me 0:16:48.102 --> 0:16:52.262 started for the day, okay, And men, by the nature 0:16:52.302 --> 0:16:56.462 of being x y, their brains like, eah, okay, I'm 0:16:56.462 --> 0:16:59.502 going to supply some amino acids and some blood sugar 0:16:59.502 --> 0:17:01.222 and let's get on with the day. Then we'll find 0:17:01.222 --> 0:17:04.502 some food. But women's brain, specifically what we call the 0:17:04.581 --> 0:17:09.902 hypothalamus that is really sensitive to blood sugar and food 0:17:09.902 --> 0:17:11.902 coming in. So if you get up and you start 0:17:11.942 --> 0:17:16.141 your exercise without any food, the hypothalamus is like, wait 0:17:16.182 --> 0:17:19.221 a second, this is a stress to the body that 0:17:19.462 --> 0:17:22.421 I need to really try to figure out. But if 0:17:22.462 --> 0:17:26.262 I don't have food to counter the fuel that the 0:17:26.341 --> 0:17:29.341 muscles are needing from a contraction, I need to find 0:17:29.341 --> 0:17:31.901 a way to supply that fuel. And one of the 0:17:31.901 --> 0:17:34.382 first things that starts to get broken down is you're 0:17:34.422 --> 0:17:35.221 a muscle mass. 0:17:35.341 --> 0:17:38.061 What Dr sim says women should get up early if 0:17:38.101 --> 0:17:40.142 they're going to exercise, and lots of women exercise first 0:17:40.141 --> 0:17:42.181 thing in the morning because stealing the time from sleep 0:17:42.222 --> 0:17:45.902 is the only time available to them. And eat something anything, 0:17:45.982 --> 0:17:48.741 something small and protein rich. She actually on that she 0:17:48.742 --> 0:17:51.022 talks about making this little like coffee chee putting that 0:17:51.061 --> 0:17:53.101 she puts in the fridge overnight. But she likes coffee, 0:17:53.101 --> 0:17:56.661 which is a good thing. Beef, Yeah, beef would be great, 0:17:56.821 --> 0:18:00.262 especially if it was tarte, but a few spoonfuls of yogurt, 0:18:00.302 --> 0:18:03.222 half a banana whatever, she says, do that. She also 0:18:03.262 --> 0:18:05.902 reaffirmed what women everywhere are being told over and over, 0:18:06.022 --> 0:18:09.061 which is, it's not about cardio friends, it's about weights. 0:18:09.101 --> 0:18:12.181 She says, heavy ones in short reps. Then she also 0:18:12.341 --> 0:18:15.942 said that the fitness bro favorite of I spats are 0:18:16.022 --> 0:18:19.101 also not ideal for women, that we don't cope with 0:18:19.141 --> 0:18:21.861 that level of cold so well, but we love heat, 0:18:22.022 --> 0:18:25.582 so son as a great And then in excellent news 0:18:25.621 --> 0:18:29.221 for lazy girls, she says we're probably exercising too much. 0:18:29.661 --> 0:18:32.462 Ten minutes hard out in the morning is probably plenty 0:18:32.502 --> 0:18:36.502 as long as it involves lifting heavy weight, says Sims. Okay, 0:18:36.661 --> 0:18:39.661 Jesse and Amlia, are you excited or confused about the 0:18:39.661 --> 0:18:42.061 fact that everything we've been told about exercise is probably wrong? 0:18:42.381 --> 0:18:45.821 I find this really exciting. It made me realize listening 0:18:45.861 --> 0:18:50.181 to conversations like this are almost a bit discombobulating, because 0:18:50.581 --> 0:18:52.262 it feels like, for the first time, we're talking about 0:18:52.262 --> 0:18:56.222 women's exercise outside the framework of weight loss, like as 0:18:56.782 --> 0:19:01.381 as something to do with our bodies and functionality, which 0:19:02.222 --> 0:19:05.302 is not what was happening ever in the history of ever. 0:19:05.942 --> 0:19:09.382 And so I'm finding the research field fascinating because we're 0:19:09.381 --> 0:19:11.941 here caring tidbits like even I remember hearing, obviously with 0:19:11.982 --> 0:19:15.782 the rise of the matildas and the really exciting popularity 0:19:15.782 --> 0:19:19.461 of female sport, that things like ACL injuries for women 0:19:19.581 --> 0:19:22.341 are way higher than men. And they think that could 0:19:22.341 --> 0:19:24.821 be to do with a myriad of factors, but one 0:19:24.861 --> 0:19:28.101 of them is hormonal fluctuations, which means that you could 0:19:28.141 --> 0:19:30.742 tailor training so that you go, all right, we don't 0:19:30.742 --> 0:19:34.581 do this particular thing during this particular moment, whatever it is, 0:19:35.022 --> 0:19:38.381 so that women don't get as injured. While that is 0:19:38.462 --> 0:19:41.502 all really exciting, I guess my only thing when I 0:19:41.581 --> 0:19:44.422 go really deep on this, is that it's worth us 0:19:44.502 --> 0:19:50.661 remembering that doctor Simms is an expert who has for 0:19:50.702 --> 0:19:54.502 most of her career worked with elite athletes. And if 0:19:54.542 --> 0:19:58.982 we find this alienating or overwhelming, that's okay, because we're 0:19:58.982 --> 0:20:02.341 not elite athletes. My concern with exercise is always that 0:20:02.422 --> 0:20:05.582