1 00:00:10,622 --> 00:00:13,341 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mama Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,822 --> 00:00:17,182 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,222 --> 00:00:21,262 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. So I'm wearing a 4 00:00:21,302 --> 00:00:24,941 Speaker 2: dress today and shoes. My dress is probably one, right, 5 00:00:25,462 --> 00:00:27,422 Speaker 2: my shoes are red, so I might get two for those. 6 00:00:27,502 --> 00:00:29,461 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're a two point shoe lady. 7 00:00:29,862 --> 00:00:33,181 Speaker 2: Because I love an interesting shoe. But then I've stopped. 8 00:00:33,462 --> 00:00:38,542 Speaker 2: Whereas if I was a person, would I've looked in 9 00:00:38,622 --> 00:00:41,342 Speaker 2: the mirror and gone, maybe a belt, maybe a bag, 10 00:00:41,502 --> 00:00:46,342 Speaker 2: maybe a fascinator on a Monday morning. But it's accessories. 11 00:00:46,382 --> 00:00:51,502 Speaker 2: How do you get good at that? Hello, and welcome 12 00:00:51,502 --> 00:00:53,862 Speaker 2: to Mamma Mia. Out loud what women are actually talking 13 00:00:53,862 --> 00:00:56,902 Speaker 2: about on Monday, the seventh of April. My name's Holly 14 00:00:56,942 --> 00:01:00,102 Speaker 2: Wayne Wright. And no, I didn't get any of Megan's jam. 15 00:01:00,182 --> 00:01:03,302 Speaker 2: If you're wondering, did you try? Yes? But I was 16 00:01:03,342 --> 00:01:07,862 Speaker 2: too late. And also she wasn't shipping to Australia. This 17 00:01:07,902 --> 00:01:10,381 Speaker 2: is a detail that I was not aware of before 18 00:01:10,462 --> 00:01:11,822 Speaker 2: I click click. 19 00:01:11,902 --> 00:01:14,142 Speaker 3: Did you consider getting it shipped to your parents to 20 00:01:14,142 --> 00:01:14,822 Speaker 3: then ship it to you? 21 00:01:14,902 --> 00:01:17,462 Speaker 2: Well, I was already too late because Megan's jammed. For 22 00:01:17,502 --> 00:01:20,782 Speaker 2: all the naysayers, every single thing on that site sold 23 00:01:20,822 --> 00:01:23,982 Speaker 2: out with inseconds. There are no flower pedals left in California. 24 00:01:24,182 --> 00:01:25,102 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. 25 00:01:25,502 --> 00:01:27,502 Speaker 2: I'll keep you updated out loud. At many of you 26 00:01:27,582 --> 00:01:31,062 Speaker 2: were concerned. If the situation changes and a JAM shipment 27 00:01:31,062 --> 00:01:32,462 Speaker 2: should arrive, we will let you know. 28 00:01:33,142 --> 00:01:36,262 Speaker 3: I'm Jesse Stevens and I just plucked a long hair 29 00:01:36,302 --> 00:01:36,982 Speaker 3: out of my cheek. 30 00:01:37,142 --> 00:01:37,862 Speaker 2: I love that. 31 00:01:38,262 --> 00:01:39,382 Speaker 3: Does anyone else have a long hair? 32 00:01:39,422 --> 00:01:39,542 Speaker 5: Oh? 33 00:01:39,622 --> 00:01:41,022 Speaker 2: Yeah, just one on this cheek? 34 00:01:41,142 --> 00:01:43,102 Speaker 3: Yeah, I had one just here. I've also got a 35 00:01:43,102 --> 00:01:46,062 Speaker 3: long one just here on my arm old friend. 36 00:01:46,262 --> 00:01:50,382 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm Amelia Lester. I enjoy hot cross barns. I'm 37 00:01:50,502 --> 00:01:53,142 Speaker 4: my hot crossbarn era. Really yeah. I heat them up 38 00:01:53,142 --> 00:01:54,702 Speaker 4: in the microwave for ten seconds. 39 00:01:54,742 --> 00:01:56,902 Speaker 2: I hate them toasted. Gotta haven't toasted. 40 00:01:57,022 --> 00:01:59,102 Speaker 4: And the funny thing is I don't normally like raisins 41 00:01:59,142 --> 00:02:01,862 Speaker 4: and my sultana hater, But in a hot cross barn. 42 00:02:02,742 --> 00:02:05,422 Speaker 3: What's your recommendation for the absolute best hot cross bun 43 00:02:05,542 --> 00:02:06,182 Speaker 3: Like if you're going. 44 00:02:06,102 --> 00:02:08,222 Speaker 4: To get my partner brought home from the shops the 45 00:02:08,262 --> 00:02:13,462 Speaker 4: other week, fruits hot crusts, they're literally called fruitless inappropriate. 46 00:02:13,781 --> 00:02:15,341 Speaker 2: I don't like to mess with hot cross bunds, no 47 00:02:15,422 --> 00:02:16,502 Speaker 2: chop chips, none of that stuff. 48 00:02:16,542 --> 00:02:19,182 Speaker 4: You just need the og Oh I knew you'd say that, 49 00:02:19,222 --> 00:02:20,862 Speaker 4: but you need to try the bisco off ones. 50 00:02:21,342 --> 00:02:25,542 Speaker 2: Okay, and the show today. None of this, absolutely, none 51 00:02:25,542 --> 00:02:27,862 Speaker 2: of this is on the show today, Breds. We're just 52 00:02:28,382 --> 00:02:29,621 Speaker 2: gone off Monday, offscript. 53 00:02:29,742 --> 00:02:31,502 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm not gonna talk more about Jesse's hair. 54 00:02:32,102 --> 00:02:33,102 Speaker 3: Also, get one on my chin. 55 00:02:34,902 --> 00:02:38,302 Speaker 2: Okay, back in the room. Bamboozled by all the tariff 56 00:02:38,342 --> 00:02:43,142 Speaker 2: talk modeled about the stock market mayen lucky for all 57 00:02:43,181 --> 00:02:47,262 Speaker 2: of us, Amelia Lester is not, and she's going to 58 00:02:47,342 --> 00:02:49,502 Speaker 2: explain it all to us in a way that makes sense. 59 00:02:49,622 --> 00:02:52,302 Speaker 3: Well, we're plucking our chin hairs. Amelia is doing a 60 00:02:52,302 --> 00:02:55,702 Speaker 3: bit of research about tariffs. Thanks God, you make. 61 00:02:55,662 --> 00:03:00,142 Speaker 2: Us sound like we are anyway. Also, the new rules 62 00:03:00,142 --> 00:03:03,302 Speaker 2: for women's bodies and exercise that are changing everything quickly, 63 00:03:03,462 --> 00:03:06,502 Speaker 2: and the seven point rule that's going to change how 64 00:03:06,542 --> 00:03:09,062 Speaker 2: you get dressed. But first, we're going to be much 65 00:03:09,062 --> 00:03:13,422 Speaker 2: improved by the end of this episode. But first, Jesse Stevens. 66 00:03:12,982 --> 00:03:15,422 Speaker 3: In case he missed it, Robert Erwin may or may 67 00:03:15,542 --> 00:03:17,382 Speaker 3: not have bread in his pants. 68 00:03:17,822 --> 00:03:20,342 Speaker 4: Wait, explain who Robert Irwin is? Because I keep seeing 69 00:03:20,342 --> 00:03:22,542 Speaker 4: a photo of him. I don't fully understand. 70 00:03:22,702 --> 00:03:26,422 Speaker 3: Robert Irwin is the son of the late Steve. 71 00:03:26,622 --> 00:03:27,621 Speaker 4: Isn't he like five? 72 00:03:27,902 --> 00:03:31,422 Speaker 3: Okay? He was born in two thousand and three, which 73 00:03:31,422 --> 00:03:32,662 Speaker 3: allegedly makes. 74 00:03:32,462 --> 00:03:35,822 Speaker 2: Him two years older than my daughter. No, no, no, 75 00:03:35,862 --> 00:03:37,302 Speaker 2: that's wrong. No, no, my niece. 76 00:03:37,342 --> 00:03:41,902 Speaker 3: It's okay, okay, because somehow years Monday, I had to 77 00:03:41,942 --> 00:03:45,062 Speaker 3: google that two pieces of information. But allegedly that man 78 00:03:45,182 --> 00:03:47,662 Speaker 3: is twenty one years old, and you remember him as 79 00:03:47,662 --> 00:03:49,542 Speaker 3: a newborn. You remember him as a toddler with a 80 00:03:49,542 --> 00:03:53,142 Speaker 3: bowl cut. Gorgeous, gorgeous, and look, he was part of 81 00:03:53,142 --> 00:03:57,062 Speaker 3: a new Bonds campaign posing with a giant snake, a spider. 82 00:03:58,902 --> 00:04:00,062 Speaker 3: There was a giant snake. 83 00:04:00,462 --> 00:04:02,902 Speaker 2: There was a real giant, a giant snake, and there 84 00:04:02,902 --> 00:04:06,302 Speaker 2: was a giant snake. Come on, he was looking. 85 00:04:06,142 --> 00:04:09,222 Speaker 3: Very handsome, and we had some complicated feelings as well 86 00:04:09,302 --> 00:04:11,982 Speaker 3: as triggering deep psychological crises for women and men all 87 00:04:12,022 --> 00:04:14,982 Speaker 3: over the world. These photos have given way to a 88 00:04:15,022 --> 00:04:18,701 Speaker 3: bread theory. Now if you look closely, which I haven't, 89 00:04:18,741 --> 00:04:21,101 Speaker 3: but other people did, and therefore I read their commentary 90 00:04:21,101 --> 00:04:26,342 Speaker 3: about how close the Crutchal region is allegedly very smooth, 91 00:04:26,821 --> 00:04:30,422 Speaker 3: It's very even and very tidy. Jackie O, as well 92 00:04:30,462 --> 00:04:33,182 Speaker 3: as a few other industry insiders, have talked about how 93 00:04:33,262 --> 00:04:36,861 Speaker 3: four Underwear shoots. What they do is put a slice 94 00:04:36,902 --> 00:04:39,021 Speaker 3: of white bread. I don't know why it couldn't be 95 00:04:39,262 --> 00:04:40,902 Speaker 3: maybe wholemeal would be a little bumpy. 96 00:04:41,061 --> 00:04:44,021 Speaker 2: I think that white bread, particularly if it's like the 97 00:04:44,061 --> 00:04:48,342 Speaker 2: real white bread, you know, the really supermarketing white bread, 98 00:04:48,702 --> 00:04:50,461 Speaker 2: is moldable in a way like you could roll that 99 00:04:50,501 --> 00:04:51,301 Speaker 2: stuff into a ball. 100 00:04:51,381 --> 00:04:52,301 Speaker 3: If you turn your. 101 00:04:52,181 --> 00:04:55,421 Speaker 2: Saldo into a ball, it isn't working grainy. Wholemeal is a. 102 00:04:55,582 --> 00:04:59,662 Speaker 3: Working right, No, no, no, So it's white bread. And 103 00:04:59,741 --> 00:05:03,981 Speaker 3: apparently JACKIEO said that sometimes they moisturize the bread and 104 00:05:04,022 --> 00:05:06,662 Speaker 3: then use it like Plato, to just go over it. 105 00:05:07,022 --> 00:05:09,501 Speaker 3: So what they do is it pads out the air, 106 00:05:09,902 --> 00:05:13,662 Speaker 3: provides a nice little cushion and any rough edges or 107 00:05:13,702 --> 00:05:15,821 Speaker 3: bits and pieces aren't sticking out. 108 00:05:16,222 --> 00:05:19,022 Speaker 2: Someone think of the penis models. I can't be comfortable. 109 00:05:19,101 --> 00:05:20,782 Speaker 3: I know, what are you to do with the bread? 110 00:05:21,022 --> 00:05:23,501 Speaker 4: Speaking of Hot Cross parks. 111 00:05:22,981 --> 00:05:25,141 Speaker 2: I have never seen so many women lose their minds 112 00:05:25,142 --> 00:05:27,782 Speaker 2: so quickly as when those pictures came out on Friday morning. 113 00:05:27,821 --> 00:05:32,421 Speaker 2: It's really strange because women of all ages feel unsure 114 00:05:32,541 --> 00:05:35,861 Speaker 2: about it. But he's twenty one. As we've established like, 115 00:05:35,941 --> 00:05:38,781 Speaker 2: he's allowed to have it, allowed to show us as pants. 116 00:05:38,902 --> 00:05:42,701 Speaker 3: He's very handsome and he's really big in the US. 117 00:05:42,821 --> 00:05:44,821 Speaker 2: His bonds are going to be selling lots of pants 118 00:05:44,821 --> 00:05:46,261 Speaker 2: in the US, is what you're trying to say? 119 00:05:46,342 --> 00:05:50,462 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly right, go bonds. Then Australian success story are over. 120 00:05:50,541 --> 00:05:52,021 Speaker 3: What about the tariffs exactly? 121 00:05:52,501 --> 00:05:56,142 Speaker 2: How is that gonna work merely less to save us 122 00:05:56,342 --> 00:05:58,022 Speaker 2: from our purient selves? 123 00:05:58,142 --> 00:06:02,222 Speaker 4: Please? So, in case you hadn't heard, last Wednesday was 124 00:06:02,262 --> 00:06:06,301 Speaker 4: Liberation Day. Feeling good everyone? That was the day Donald 125 00:06:06,301 --> 00:06:09,981 Speaker 4: Trump announced tariffs on every country in the world except 126 00:06:10,061 --> 00:06:13,741 Speaker 4: North Korea and Russia, and including countries that are just 127 00:06:13,782 --> 00:06:17,621 Speaker 4: inhabited by penguins. But we'll get to the penguins later. First, 128 00:06:17,702 --> 00:06:20,862 Speaker 4: I want to see if you, Holly and Jesse, had 129 00:06:20,861 --> 00:06:23,781 Speaker 4: any questions about tariffs that you were afraid to ask, because, 130 00:06:23,861 --> 00:06:26,382 Speaker 4: let's face it, none of us thought we'd be sitting 131 00:06:26,381 --> 00:06:28,101 Speaker 4: here thinking this much about tariff. 132 00:06:28,301 --> 00:06:30,822 Speaker 2: Can we start at the very basic yes, what is 133 00:06:30,861 --> 00:06:31,462 Speaker 2: a tariff? 134 00:06:32,902 --> 00:06:36,061 Speaker 4: A tariff is a tax on an import that is 135 00:06:36,101 --> 00:06:39,822 Speaker 4: paid by the company that imports the good is. 136 00:06:39,782 --> 00:06:43,502 Speaker 3: The idea that Trump's like, we're going to incentivize Americans 137 00:06:43,501 --> 00:06:46,182 Speaker 3: to make their own stuff. What's the purpose behind all 138 00:06:46,181 --> 00:06:46,422 Speaker 3: of this? 139 00:06:46,621 --> 00:06:49,622 Speaker 4: Such a good idea, Jesse. What we think the purpose 140 00:06:49,741 --> 00:06:52,342 Speaker 4: is is that he wants to get back to a 141 00:06:52,421 --> 00:06:55,861 Speaker 4: stage where Americans were making more things. So, yes, not 142 00:06:55,981 --> 00:06:58,701 Speaker 4: a stage when there was more manufacturing. A couple of 143 00:06:58,741 --> 00:07:02,981 Speaker 4: issues with that. First, robots do most manufacturing now, not humans, ok, 144 00:07:03,181 --> 00:07:06,061 Speaker 4: because we live in twenty twenty five. And the second 145 00:07:06,142 --> 00:07:08,701 Speaker 4: problem is that everything from the phone that listeners are 146 00:07:08,741 --> 00:07:10,782 Speaker 4: probably listening to this on to the clothes that we 147 00:07:10,821 --> 00:07:14,021 Speaker 4: are wearing, they all depend on these really complex supply 148 00:07:14,182 --> 00:07:16,222 Speaker 4: chains these days. So the idea that you can just 149 00:07:16,342 --> 00:07:18,862 Speaker 4: isolate the making of the good from all the stuff 150 00:07:18,902 --> 00:07:20,941 Speaker 4: that goes into the good doesn't really work right. 151 00:07:21,022 --> 00:07:24,662 Speaker 2: So what you're saying is the phone or the pen 152 00:07:24,821 --> 00:07:27,662 Speaker 2: or the whatever that we're importing into America probably has 153 00:07:27,702 --> 00:07:29,542 Speaker 2: lots of things in it that have to be imported 154 00:07:29,582 --> 00:07:31,662 Speaker 2: to the place where it's manufactured. There are tariffs on 155 00:07:31,702 --> 00:07:34,902 Speaker 2: all those things. Then we sell the pen to America, Yes, 156 00:07:35,022 --> 00:07:36,902 Speaker 2: we have to pay a tariff to do that. Yes, 157 00:07:37,182 --> 00:07:39,782 Speaker 2: he wants to make it more expensive to import your 158 00:07:39,821 --> 00:07:43,302 Speaker 2: things into America, so that foreign things are more expensive 159 00:07:43,302 --> 00:07:43,982 Speaker 2: in America. 160 00:07:44,102 --> 00:07:47,182 Speaker 4: Yeah, correct, that's correct. So here's like two concrete examples. 161 00:07:47,222 --> 00:07:51,782 Speaker 4: So computers and phones depend on semiconductors, which are made 162 00:07:51,821 --> 00:07:55,902 Speaker 4: by basically made by two countries, Taiwan and the Netherlands. 163 00:07:56,422 --> 00:07:59,222 Speaker 4: America's starting to try and make them, but they're really 164 00:07:59,302 --> 00:08:01,381 Speaker 4: only made by those two countries, which by the way, 165 00:08:01,422 --> 00:08:04,382 Speaker 4: have huge tariffs on them. So your phones and your 166 00:08:04,381 --> 00:08:07,381 Speaker 4: computers are about to get more expensive. So here's a 167 00:08:07,422 --> 00:08:10,862 Speaker 4: really salient example for why terra don't really make sense. 168 00:08:11,262 --> 00:08:14,542 Speaker 4: Botswana has now had these tariffs imposed on it by 169 00:08:14,582 --> 00:08:18,261 Speaker 4: the US of forty percent. Botswana mostly imports to the 170 00:08:18,342 --> 00:08:21,821 Speaker 4: US diamonds. The US can't just make diamonds in a 171 00:08:21,902 --> 00:08:25,261 Speaker 4: factory because they're found in the ground. They're not something 172 00:08:25,262 --> 00:08:27,342 Speaker 4: you can make, and so it's just going to end 173 00:08:27,422 --> 00:08:30,142 Speaker 4: up making diamonds more expensive coming into the US and 174 00:08:30,222 --> 00:08:33,142 Speaker 4: not have any actual impact on anything else. So I 175 00:08:33,182 --> 00:08:35,222 Speaker 4: think a lot of people didn't know what a tariff 176 00:08:35,462 --> 00:08:37,822 Speaker 4: was when Trump started talking about this, and I don't 177 00:08:37,822 --> 00:08:40,502 Speaker 4: really blame them because tariffs were last popular about a 178 00:08:40,542 --> 00:08:43,542 Speaker 4: century ago in the nineteen thirties and twenties, and. 179 00:08:43,502 --> 00:08:47,262 Speaker 2: They were popular because it was seen as being let's 180 00:08:47,302 --> 00:08:50,542 Speaker 2: make sure that the importers are paying US. I don't 181 00:08:50,622 --> 00:08:52,782 Speaker 2: understand why they would be popular when they just make 182 00:08:52,822 --> 00:08:53,901 Speaker 2: everything more expensive. 183 00:08:54,022 --> 00:08:57,742 Speaker 4: So here's a really interesting theory that I've heard about 184 00:08:57,822 --> 00:09:00,622 Speaker 4: why people liked the idea of the tariffs. It's basically 185 00:09:00,622 --> 00:09:03,302 Speaker 4: got to do with gender. American unemployment is really low 186 00:09:03,382 --> 00:09:05,942 Speaker 4: rate now. It's around four percent, which is about as 187 00:09:05,982 --> 00:09:08,702 Speaker 4: low as you can possibly get. When Trump started talking 188 00:09:08,742 --> 00:09:11,342 Speaker 4: about bringing back my manufacturing jobs to America, he was 189 00:09:11,382 --> 00:09:14,822 Speaker 4: basically acting as though the entire services industry. By services, 190 00:09:14,862 --> 00:09:17,582 Speaker 4: I don't just mean restaurant workers, I mean anyone who 191 00:09:17,622 --> 00:09:22,142 Speaker 4: doesn't make a thing but instead provides a thing, provides 192 00:09:22,142 --> 00:09:25,222 Speaker 4: a service that doesn't exist. And the reason why the 193 00:09:25,262 --> 00:09:29,422 Speaker 4: manufacturing pitch was popular is because men work in manufacturing 194 00:09:29,862 --> 00:09:34,022 Speaker 4: the services industries. Women also work in services industries. So 195 00:09:34,062 --> 00:09:37,262 Speaker 4: what he's really saying is enough of the jobs for women, 196 00:09:37,782 --> 00:09:39,822 Speaker 4: I want more jobs for men. 197 00:09:40,182 --> 00:09:43,102 Speaker 2: And I've also heard him say that he wants other 198 00:09:43,142 --> 00:09:46,342 Speaker 2: countries to maybe move their manufacturing to the US to 199 00:09:46,342 --> 00:09:49,742 Speaker 2: try and avoid the tariffs. Is that right? So he's like, Taiwan, 200 00:09:50,222 --> 00:09:53,702 Speaker 2: come build your stuff in America, employ Americans and then 201 00:09:53,702 --> 00:09:55,662 Speaker 2: you get around the tariffs. But surely you can't just 202 00:09:55,662 --> 00:09:58,662 Speaker 2: click your fingers and build a factory and make it 203 00:09:58,662 --> 00:10:01,622 Speaker 2: all work within the next electoral term. 204 00:10:01,702 --> 00:10:04,062 Speaker 4: Yeah, factories take a long time to build. But we 205 00:10:04,102 --> 00:10:06,502 Speaker 4: also get back to the problem that the world economy 206 00:10:06,542 --> 00:10:09,262 Speaker 4: relies on the idea that some people have stuff that 207 00:10:09,302 --> 00:10:11,982 Speaker 4: others people want, and an example of that is going 208 00:10:12,022 --> 00:10:13,582 Speaker 4: to be beef. So let's listen to what he had 209 00:10:13,622 --> 00:10:15,102 Speaker 4: to say about Australian beef. 210 00:10:15,382 --> 00:10:20,102 Speaker 6: Australia bands and they're wonderful people and wonderful everything, but 211 00:10:20,142 --> 00:10:24,422 Speaker 6: they ban American beef. Yet we imported three billion dollars 212 00:10:24,422 --> 00:10:28,102 Speaker 6: of Australian beef from them just last year alone. They 213 00:10:28,102 --> 00:10:30,142 Speaker 6: won't take any of our beef. They don't want it 214 00:10:30,182 --> 00:10:32,702 Speaker 6: because they don't want it to affect their farmers. And 215 00:10:32,742 --> 00:10:34,342 Speaker 6: you know what, I don't blame them, but we're doing 216 00:10:34,382 --> 00:10:38,422 Speaker 6: the same thing right now. Starting about midnay tonight, they 217 00:10:38,462 --> 00:10:39,182 Speaker 6: would say. 218 00:10:39,582 --> 00:10:42,702 Speaker 4: Okay, I've gone deep on the beef question. Australia does 219 00:10:42,782 --> 00:10:45,662 Speaker 4: ban us beef imports. You want to know why it 220 00:10:45,702 --> 00:10:49,142 Speaker 4: does that. It was really worried about disease about twenty 221 00:10:49,222 --> 00:10:52,182 Speaker 4: years ago, but now it also bans it because the 222 00:10:52,302 --> 00:10:56,182 Speaker 4: US has live cattle imports from Canada and Mexico, Australia 223 00:10:56,262 --> 00:10:58,742 Speaker 4: really knows exactly what has happened to its beef from 224 00:10:58,822 --> 00:11:01,742 Speaker 4: cow to burger. It can trace exactly from the cow 225 00:11:01,822 --> 00:11:04,342 Speaker 4: to the burger what happened along the way. The US 226 00:11:04,422 --> 00:11:07,222 Speaker 4: can't do that because it's still getting cows from Canada 227 00:11:07,262 --> 00:11:10,062 Speaker 4: and Mexico, and so it can't track the whole way 228 00:11:10,102 --> 00:11:11,782 Speaker 4: and assure its safety the whole way. 229 00:11:12,262 --> 00:11:15,222 Speaker 3: So what is this actually going to do to the 230 00:11:15,342 --> 00:11:18,062 Speaker 3: US economy, Because it feels like people are panicking. 231 00:11:18,222 --> 00:11:21,262 Speaker 4: McDonald's in the US uses a lot of Australian beef. 232 00:11:21,502 --> 00:11:24,822 Speaker 4: The reason is because the US government has said, hey, 233 00:11:24,862 --> 00:11:27,542 Speaker 4: if you make a burger, it has to have less 234 00:11:27,542 --> 00:11:30,662 Speaker 4: than thirty percent fat content. This is one of the 235 00:11:30,782 --> 00:11:35,022 Speaker 4: US government's big edicts. And American beef is really fatty 236 00:11:35,142 --> 00:11:37,822 Speaker 4: because it's grain fed. Australian beef is lean because it's 237 00:11:37,902 --> 00:11:41,021 Speaker 4: grass fed. The US is like, let's get some Australian 238 00:11:41,062 --> 00:11:43,062 Speaker 4: beef in here, three billion dollars worth of it to 239 00:11:43,222 --> 00:11:45,902 Speaker 4: help make our hamburger patties, because they literally can't make 240 00:11:45,902 --> 00:11:48,622 Speaker 4: the hamburger patties in the way that the US government 241 00:11:48,662 --> 00:11:51,542 Speaker 4: says it has to without the beef from Australia and 242 00:11:51,542 --> 00:11:54,822 Speaker 4: some other country. We's got great Australia, great beef. So 243 00:11:54,902 --> 00:11:58,062 Speaker 4: now Trump, who loves burgers and loves McDonald's burgers by 244 00:11:58,102 --> 00:12:00,102 Speaker 4: the way, is going to see his big Max get 245 00:12:00,222 --> 00:12:01,381 Speaker 4: really expensive. 246 00:12:01,422 --> 00:12:05,022 Speaker 2: It's good to hear that we're wonderful everything here in Australia, 247 00:12:05,102 --> 00:12:07,622 Speaker 2: as he says. But to Jesse's point about what this 248 00:12:07,662 --> 00:12:09,662 Speaker 2: is going to do to the economy, it feels like 249 00:12:09,702 --> 00:12:14,262 Speaker 2: since Liberation Day we've just heard markets in free fall 250 00:12:14,622 --> 00:12:19,182 Speaker 2: global wall. Can the rest of the world kind of 251 00:12:19,222 --> 00:12:22,182 Speaker 2: pretend that America doesn't exist and go kind of all right, 252 00:12:22,262 --> 00:12:25,622 Speaker 2: you and your tariff system is going to create mayhem. 253 00:12:25,662 --> 00:12:27,862 Speaker 2: So we're just going to turn to other trading partners. 254 00:12:27,862 --> 00:12:29,662 Speaker 2: We're just going to look at other markets, like can 255 00:12:29,702 --> 00:12:31,582 Speaker 2: we put our fingers in ours and go la la la? 256 00:12:31,622 --> 00:12:32,102 Speaker 3: Is my question? 257 00:12:32,102 --> 00:12:34,702 Speaker 4: It's a great question, I think sort of. So the 258 00:12:34,702 --> 00:12:38,982 Speaker 4: ABC's Alan Kohler, he's actually argued exactly what you're saying here, Holly. 259 00:12:39,062 --> 00:12:42,261 Speaker 4: He has said that there's nothing for Australia to negotiate 260 00:12:42,302 --> 00:12:45,382 Speaker 4: with the US because it doesn't put tariffs on American imports. 261 00:12:45,542 --> 00:12:47,622 Speaker 4: So there's nothing to say, hey, we'll stop putting a 262 00:12:47,662 --> 00:12:49,902 Speaker 4: tariff on this if you do this. And Albanezy has 263 00:12:49,902 --> 00:12:53,622 Speaker 4: said on beef and pharmaceuticals because of the pharmaceutical benefits scheme, 264 00:12:53,662 --> 00:12:56,302 Speaker 4: America is also mad at Australia about cheap drugs that 265 00:12:56,422 --> 00:12:59,862 Speaker 4: Australia imports. He's said, these are not up for discussions. 266 00:12:59,862 --> 00:13:02,182 Speaker 4: So if you take beef and pharmaceuticals off the table, 267 00:13:02,222 --> 00:13:04,942 Speaker 4: there's nothing really for Australia to bargain with the US on. 268 00:13:05,062 --> 00:13:06,462 Speaker 4: So we kind of just have to get on with 269 00:13:06,542 --> 00:13:09,182 Speaker 4: it as though it wasn't happening. And I think for 270 00:13:09,222 --> 00:13:12,102 Speaker 4: the most most part, the analysis is that the Australian 271 00:13:12,142 --> 00:13:14,502 Speaker 4: economy and the things that we export are going to 272 00:13:14,582 --> 00:13:17,102 Speaker 4: be fine. Cars are going to get more expensive. That's 273 00:13:17,182 --> 00:13:21,022 Speaker 4: kind of unavoidable because Australia, yes, because cars have parts 274 00:13:21,062 --> 00:13:23,542 Speaker 4: from all over the world, so all of those countries 275 00:13:23,742 --> 00:13:28,102 Speaker 4: that's going to be a problem for them. But wine, beef, pharmaceuticals, 276 00:13:28,142 --> 00:13:31,382 Speaker 4: these are all big exports of Australia. For the most part, 277 00:13:31,502 --> 00:13:33,542 Speaker 4: they say that they're going to find other markets to 278 00:13:33,582 --> 00:13:36,141 Speaker 4: sell to. The beef exporters have said they're going to 279 00:13:36,142 --> 00:13:37,702 Speaker 4: go to Europe, Europe needs a lot of beef for 280 00:13:37,742 --> 00:13:38,342 Speaker 4: steak tatar. 281 00:13:39,142 --> 00:13:42,262 Speaker 3: So what do Americans think about this right now? Like 282 00:13:42,342 --> 00:13:45,422 Speaker 3: is there a general sense there of whether they some 283 00:13:45,422 --> 00:13:47,382 Speaker 3: people still sported of tariffs, or now that they know 284 00:13:47,422 --> 00:13:50,662 Speaker 3: what it actually looks like, has the tide turned. 285 00:13:51,022 --> 00:13:52,782 Speaker 4: I don't think they yet know what it's actually going 286 00:13:52,822 --> 00:13:54,862 Speaker 4: to look like, because if you think about like how 287 00:13:54,902 --> 00:13:57,582 Speaker 4: global shipping and everything works, like the goods that you're 288 00:13:57,622 --> 00:14:01,422 Speaker 4: buying today were probably brought into the country months ago, 289 00:14:01,662 --> 00:14:03,302 Speaker 4: So it's not as if the prices are going to 290 00:14:03,342 --> 00:14:06,262 Speaker 4: immediately skyrocket, but it's just going to be like in 291 00:14:06,302 --> 00:14:08,542 Speaker 4: a year's time, an iPhone or a big mac is 292 00:14:08,542 --> 00:14:10,902 Speaker 4: going to cost so much more for the average American 293 00:14:10,982 --> 00:14:12,822 Speaker 4: than they used to. And I think that's when the 294 00:14:12,822 --> 00:14:15,942 Speaker 4: pain's really going to hit. And what about the penguins, Oh, 295 00:14:16,062 --> 00:14:19,062 Speaker 4: what about the penguins. So you've probably been seeing memes 296 00:14:19,182 --> 00:14:21,582 Speaker 4: of penguins who are mad at Donald Trump, and this 297 00:14:21,742 --> 00:14:25,262 Speaker 4: is because he did put a ten percent reciprocal tariff 298 00:14:25,302 --> 00:14:28,582 Speaker 4: on the herd of McDonald Islands. These are actually Australian 299 00:14:28,582 --> 00:14:33,502 Speaker 4: Maxternald territories near Antarctica. These are home to penguins, seals, glaciers, 300 00:14:33,662 --> 00:14:35,902 Speaker 4: no humans. The only way you can get there is 301 00:14:36,022 --> 00:14:38,422 Speaker 4: by a two week voyage on a boat from Perth. 302 00:14:38,862 --> 00:14:41,342 Speaker 4: But the penguins do have a ten percent tariff that 303 00:14:41,382 --> 00:14:44,462 Speaker 4: they're going to have to pay what the penguins are exporting. 304 00:14:45,142 --> 00:14:48,822 Speaker 2: In a moment, the conversation about women's health has changed everything. 305 00:14:53,582 --> 00:14:56,782 Speaker 2: Exercise early before you eat anything, put off that first 306 00:14:56,822 --> 00:14:59,902 Speaker 2: meal until noon, don't eat after five. Cardio is king. 307 00:15:00,422 --> 00:15:02,942 Speaker 2: If you've had a loop track of body and exercise 308 00:15:03,182 --> 00:15:06,822 Speaker 2: rules playing in your head for decades, please allow us 309 00:15:06,822 --> 00:15:09,342 Speaker 2: an enormous record scratch through the whole thing, because it, 310 00:15:10,422 --> 00:15:13,462 Speaker 2: like everything we know about women's health is changing quickly. 311 00:15:14,382 --> 00:15:18,462 Speaker 2: Dr Stacy Simms is an exercise physiologist and nutrition scientist 312 00:15:18,542 --> 00:15:21,622 Speaker 2: from Stamford University in the States, and she has been 313 00:15:21,622 --> 00:15:25,542 Speaker 2: doing the rounds of some podcasts lately, blowing people's minds 314 00:15:25,822 --> 00:15:27,902 Speaker 2: with her insights into why it is that if you 315 00:15:27,942 --> 00:15:29,422 Speaker 2: and a man in your life, and there'll be a 316 00:15:29,462 --> 00:15:32,582 Speaker 2: lot of listeners who recognize this situation, if you and 317 00:15:32,622 --> 00:15:34,622 Speaker 2: a man in your life embark on some kind of 318 00:15:34,662 --> 00:15:37,662 Speaker 2: health and fitness challenge at the same time, On like 319 00:15:37,782 --> 00:15:40,942 Speaker 2: day five, he's boasting about all his results and you're 320 00:15:41,022 --> 00:15:44,182 Speaker 2: still slogging waiting for something to change. On about day twenty, 321 00:15:44,982 --> 00:15:47,382 Speaker 2: Dr Simms knows why this is and she went on 322 00:15:47,622 --> 00:15:50,982 Speaker 2: Mel Robbins of Yes Let Them Fames podcasts last week 323 00:15:51,022 --> 00:15:54,422 Speaker 2: and spelled out some truths about it. Her mantra is 324 00:15:54,502 --> 00:15:56,902 Speaker 2: women are not small men, and she says that the 325 00:15:56,942 --> 00:16:01,342 Speaker 2: exercise industry just shrinks and pinks what works for dudes 326 00:16:01,542 --> 00:16:06,622 Speaker 2: to work for women and it doesn't, for example, exercising 327 00:16:06,742 --> 00:16:09,502 Speaker 2: first thing in the morning. Last week, Dr Sims went 328 00:16:09,582 --> 00:16:11,942 Speaker 2: on Mel Robins's podcast, Yes They Let the Woman and 329 00:16:12,062 --> 00:16:15,222 Speaker 2: spelled out some new rules. Here's male's first question about 330 00:16:15,222 --> 00:16:17,222 Speaker 2: what's different between men and women's workouts. 331 00:16:17,622 --> 00:16:21,302 Speaker 7: What's the most common mistake that women make by following 332 00:16:21,582 --> 00:16:25,142 Speaker 7: male centric fitness advice. Women's bodies don't respond well to 333 00:16:25,182 --> 00:16:26,662 Speaker 7: facet training. What's fast training? 334 00:16:26,662 --> 00:16:27,782 Speaker 2: I don't even know what the heck this is? 335 00:16:27,822 --> 00:16:27,862 Speaker 4: Like. 336 00:16:29,182 --> 00:16:31,542 Speaker 7: Fast training means you're not having any food before you 337 00:16:31,582 --> 00:16:34,862 Speaker 7: go do exercise. It comes really to the brain, right, 338 00:16:34,902 --> 00:16:37,742 Speaker 7: So when we start looking just at first thing you 339 00:16:37,782 --> 00:16:41,902 Speaker 7: get up, and our responses are different, where women's brains 340 00:16:41,942 --> 00:16:45,102 Speaker 7: will start going, Okay, where's the food to come in 341 00:16:45,182 --> 00:16:48,102 Speaker 7: to help bring my stress hormones down? And get me 342 00:16:48,102 --> 00:16:52,262 Speaker 7: started for the day, okay, And men, by the nature 343 00:16:52,302 --> 00:16:56,462 Speaker 7: of being x y, their brains like, eah, okay, I'm 344 00:16:56,462 --> 00:16:59,502 Speaker 7: going to supply some amino acids and some blood sugar 345 00:16:59,502 --> 00:17:01,222 Speaker 7: and let's get on with the day. Then we'll find 346 00:17:01,222 --> 00:17:04,502 Speaker 7: some food. But women's brain, specifically what we call the 347 00:17:04,581 --> 00:17:09,902 Speaker 7: hypothalamus that is really sensitive to blood sugar and food 348 00:17:09,902 --> 00:17:11,902 Speaker 7: coming in. So if you get up and you start 349 00:17:11,942 --> 00:17:16,141 Speaker 7: your exercise without any food, the hypothalamus is like, wait 350 00:17:16,182 --> 00:17:19,221 Speaker 7: a second, this is a stress to the body that 351 00:17:19,462 --> 00:17:22,421 Speaker 7: I need to really try to figure out. But if 352 00:17:22,462 --> 00:17:26,262 Speaker 7: I don't have food to counter the fuel that the 353 00:17:26,341 --> 00:17:29,341 Speaker 7: muscles are needing from a contraction, I need to find 354 00:17:29,341 --> 00:17:31,901 Speaker 7: a way to supply that fuel. And one of the 355 00:17:31,901 --> 00:17:34,382 Speaker 7: first things that starts to get broken down is you're 356 00:17:34,422 --> 00:17:35,221 Speaker 7: a muscle mass. 357 00:17:35,341 --> 00:17:38,061 Speaker 2: What Dr sim says women should get up early if 358 00:17:38,101 --> 00:17:40,142 Speaker 2: they're going to exercise, and lots of women exercise first 359 00:17:40,141 --> 00:17:42,181 Speaker 2: thing in the morning because stealing the time from sleep 360 00:17:42,222 --> 00:17:45,902 Speaker 2: is the only time available to them. And eat something anything, 361 00:17:45,982 --> 00:17:48,741 Speaker 2: something small and protein rich. She actually on that she 362 00:17:48,742 --> 00:17:51,022 Speaker 2: talks about making this little like coffee chee putting that 363 00:17:51,061 --> 00:17:53,101 Speaker 2: she puts in the fridge overnight. But she likes coffee, 364 00:17:53,101 --> 00:17:56,661 Speaker 2: which is a good thing. Beef, Yeah, beef would be great, 365 00:17:56,821 --> 00:18:00,262 Speaker 2: especially if it was tarte, but a few spoonfuls of yogurt, 366 00:18:00,302 --> 00:18:03,222 Speaker 2: half a banana whatever, she says, do that. She also 367 00:18:03,262 --> 00:18:05,902 Speaker 2: reaffirmed what women everywhere are being told over and over, 368 00:18:06,022 --> 00:18:09,061 Speaker 2: which is, it's not about cardio friends, it's about weights. 369 00:18:09,101 --> 00:18:12,181 Speaker 2: She says, heavy ones in short reps. Then she also 370 00:18:12,341 --> 00:18:15,942 Speaker 2: said that the fitness bro favorite of I spats are 371 00:18:16,022 --> 00:18:19,101 Speaker 2: also not ideal for women, that we don't cope with 372 00:18:19,141 --> 00:18:21,861 Speaker 2: that level of cold so well, but we love heat, 373 00:18:22,022 --> 00:18:25,582 Speaker 2: so son as a great And then in excellent news 374 00:18:25,621 --> 00:18:29,221 Speaker 2: for lazy girls, she says we're probably exercising too much. 375 00:18:29,661 --> 00:18:32,462 Speaker 2: Ten minutes hard out in the morning is probably plenty 376 00:18:32,502 --> 00:18:36,502 Speaker 2: as long as it involves lifting heavy weight, says Sims. Okay, 377 00:18:36,661 --> 00:18:39,661 Speaker 2: Jesse and Amlia, are you excited or confused about the 378 00:18:39,661 --> 00:18:42,061 Speaker 2: fact that everything we've been told about exercise is probably wrong? 379 00:18:42,381 --> 00:18:45,821 Speaker 3: I find this really exciting. It made me realize listening 380 00:18:45,861 --> 00:18:50,181 Speaker 3: to conversations like this are almost a bit discombobulating, because 381 00:18:50,581 --> 00:18:52,262 Speaker 3: it feels like, for the first time, we're talking about 382 00:18:52,262 --> 00:18:56,222 Speaker 3: women's exercise outside the framework of weight loss, like as 383 00:18:56,782 --> 00:19:01,381 Speaker 3: as something to do with our bodies and functionality, which 384 00:19:02,222 --> 00:19:05,302 Speaker 3: is not what was happening ever in the history of ever. 385 00:19:05,942 --> 00:19:09,382 Speaker 3: And so I'm finding the research field fascinating because we're 386 00:19:09,381 --> 00:19:11,941 Speaker 3: here caring tidbits like even I remember hearing, obviously with 387 00:19:11,982 --> 00:19:15,782 Speaker 3: the rise of the matildas and the really exciting popularity 388 00:19:15,782 --> 00:19:19,461 Speaker 3: of female sport, that things like ACL injuries for women 389 00:19:19,581 --> 00:19:22,341 Speaker 3: are way higher than men. And they think that could 390 00:19:22,341 --> 00:19:24,821 Speaker 3: be to do with a myriad of factors, but one 391 00:19:24,861 --> 00:19:28,101 Speaker 3: of them is hormonal fluctuations, which means that you could 392 00:19:28,141 --> 00:19:30,742 Speaker 3: tailor training so that you go, all right, we don't 393 00:19:30,742 --> 00:19:34,581 Speaker 3: do this particular thing during this particular moment, whatever it is, 394 00:19:35,022 --> 00:19:38,381 Speaker 3: so that women don't get as injured. While that is 395 00:19:38,462 --> 00:19:41,502 Speaker 3: all really exciting, I guess my only thing when I 396 00:19:41,581 --> 00:19:44,422 Speaker 3: go really deep on this, is that it's worth us 397 00:19:44,502 --> 00:19:50,661 Speaker 3: remembering that doctor Simms is an expert who has for 398 00:19:50,702 --> 00:19:54,502 Speaker 3: most of her career worked with elite athletes. And if 399 00:19:54,542 --> 00:19:58,982 Speaker 3: we find this alienating or overwhelming, that's okay, because we're 400 00:19:58,982 --> 00:20:02,341 Speaker 3: not elite athletes. My concern with exercise is always that 401 00:20:02,422 --> 00:20:05,582 Speaker 3: we might throw too much information at women and then 402 00:20:05,621 --> 00:20:08,941 Speaker 3: overwhelm them. And my reaction to overwhelm is to do nothing. 403 00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:11,702 Speaker 3: So if I'm in a routine and then I get 404 00:20:11,702 --> 00:20:14,102 Speaker 3: told you're doing it wrong, then I'm kind of like, well, 405 00:20:14,141 --> 00:20:15,821 Speaker 3: screw it. I don't want to walk into a gym 406 00:20:15,821 --> 00:20:17,341 Speaker 3: and be confused about what to do. I mean, the 407 00:20:17,702 --> 00:20:20,461 Speaker 3: headline is movement is great, and I think that our 408 00:20:20,462 --> 00:20:23,381 Speaker 3: bodies almost instinctively know, like it does feel good to 409 00:20:23,422 --> 00:20:24,462 Speaker 3: be able to lift things. 410 00:20:24,621 --> 00:20:27,022 Speaker 2: I think it's also who she's talking to is actually, 411 00:20:27,182 --> 00:20:29,982 Speaker 2: apart from elite athletes, a specific kind of woman who 412 00:20:30,141 --> 00:20:34,022 Speaker 2: is already exercised exact right. So she's talking to the 413 00:20:34,101 --> 00:20:36,901 Speaker 2: people who do think that doing heavy cardio all the 414 00:20:36,942 --> 00:20:39,061 Speaker 2: time has always been the way to get the ideal 415 00:20:39,182 --> 00:20:42,782 Speaker 2: in inverted Comma's female body. And what she's saying, and 416 00:20:42,901 --> 00:20:44,941 Speaker 2: lots and lots of other experts are saying, is that 417 00:20:45,422 --> 00:20:48,061 Speaker 2: actually that's bad for our bodies in terms of it's 418 00:20:48,101 --> 00:20:49,981 Speaker 2: going to make our bones more brittle than all of 419 00:20:50,022 --> 00:20:52,662 Speaker 2: those things, and that strength is key, but a merely 420 00:20:52,821 --> 00:20:55,341 Speaker 2: Sometimes I feel like Jesse with the overwhelmed, Like even 421 00:20:55,381 --> 00:20:57,621 Speaker 2: the thing as simple as eat something first thing in 422 00:20:57,661 --> 00:21:01,102 Speaker 2: the morning, that's not how my morning world works. So 423 00:21:01,141 --> 00:21:02,901 Speaker 2: now I'm like, oh God, how do I fit in 424 00:21:03,502 --> 00:21:06,061 Speaker 2: having a breakfast ready at six point thirty in the morning, 425 00:21:06,061 --> 00:21:08,701 Speaker 2: when I'm going out to do my exercise. What do 426 00:21:08,782 --> 00:21:11,021 Speaker 2: you think? Is itwhelming? Is it helpful? And also how 427 00:21:11,022 --> 00:21:12,302 Speaker 2: do I do that an tips? 428 00:21:13,101 --> 00:21:16,621 Speaker 4: I am someone who gets very angry very easily. You 429 00:21:16,661 --> 00:21:18,542 Speaker 4: know how some people say, oh, I forgot to eat 430 00:21:18,581 --> 00:21:22,381 Speaker 4: lunch today. Never happens, never, never happened never, So I 431 00:21:22,581 --> 00:21:24,542 Speaker 4: always need to eat a hot cross fun when I 432 00:21:24,581 --> 00:21:26,581 Speaker 4: get up. If you haven't noticed, that's a bit of 433 00:21:26,581 --> 00:21:27,222 Speaker 4: a theme here. 434 00:21:27,621 --> 00:21:29,501 Speaker 3: It sounds like you're just very in touch with your body. 435 00:21:29,742 --> 00:21:32,662 Speaker 4: And I love carbs, but I think that this emphasis 436 00:21:32,782 --> 00:21:36,861 Speaker 4: on saunas and heat is really interesting. I lived in 437 00:21:36,942 --> 00:21:40,101 Speaker 4: Japan for a few years and I learned there about 438 00:21:40,141 --> 00:21:42,542 Speaker 4: the joys of the on sand, which is communal bathing. 439 00:21:43,022 --> 00:21:46,341 Speaker 4: And then I realize that basically every single culture around 440 00:21:46,381 --> 00:21:50,302 Speaker 4: the world, except for Anglo cultures, emphasize the importance of 441 00:21:50,341 --> 00:21:53,741 Speaker 4: communal bathing and the importance of heat specifically in that 442 00:21:53,782 --> 00:21:57,382 Speaker 4: communal bathing experience. So in Japan, obviously it's a big thing. 443 00:21:57,381 --> 00:21:58,782 Speaker 4: In career, it's a big thing. 444 00:22:00,262 --> 00:22:03,902 Speaker 2: In Europe esture everywhere. 445 00:22:03,422 --> 00:22:07,661 Speaker 4: Except for in Anglo cultures. And so I do have 446 00:22:07,702 --> 00:22:09,381 Speaker 4: a friend who we used to get together for a 447 00:22:10,022 --> 00:22:13,542 Speaker 4: and now we get together for a spot of sauna instead, 448 00:22:13,661 --> 00:22:15,901 Speaker 4: and then we get in a groni afterwards, because we're human. 449 00:22:15,982 --> 00:22:18,821 Speaker 4: But I think it's a really great way to socialize 450 00:22:18,861 --> 00:22:21,061 Speaker 4: as well with other women, is to go to a 451 00:22:21,101 --> 00:22:23,902 Speaker 4: sauna or to have that kind of experience. And I've 452 00:22:23,942 --> 00:22:27,981 Speaker 4: noticed that those more casual, more financially accessible saunas are 453 00:22:28,022 --> 00:22:29,982 Speaker 4: popping up all over the place, and I think it's 454 00:22:29,982 --> 00:22:32,941 Speaker 4: for that reason. I did try cold plunge once. Have 455 00:22:32,982 --> 00:22:34,262 Speaker 4: you ever tried a cold plunge? 456 00:22:34,381 --> 00:22:37,622 Speaker 2: I never have, except, you know, just by accident when 457 00:22:37,621 --> 00:22:38,302 Speaker 2: the hot water. 458 00:22:38,341 --> 00:22:41,022 Speaker 4: Was at We've talked on this show about the wim 459 00:22:41,061 --> 00:22:44,902 Speaker 4: Half method, and obviously wim Half himself is a controversial figure. 460 00:22:45,262 --> 00:22:47,821 Speaker 4: But I did try the cold plunge and it actually 461 00:22:48,022 --> 00:22:50,181 Speaker 4: led to the best sleep I've ever had in my life. 462 00:22:50,222 --> 00:22:52,982 Speaker 4: But then I subsequently heard, and then this was born 463 00:22:53,061 --> 00:22:55,462 Speaker 4: out in this podcast interview that for women in particular, 464 00:22:55,581 --> 00:22:58,381 Speaker 4: you don't need to get into freezing cold water to 465 00:22:58,381 --> 00:23:01,061 Speaker 4: get the health benefits. You can actually get into water 466 00:23:01,141 --> 00:23:04,542 Speaker 4: that's around fifteen degrees celsius, which is actually pretty durable 467 00:23:04,621 --> 00:23:06,181 Speaker 4: just in the morning when you get in the shower 468 00:23:06,262 --> 00:23:08,662 Speaker 4: to have a bit of a cold shot in the shower. 469 00:23:08,782 --> 00:23:12,702 Speaker 4: So I think thinking about being healthy is not just exercise, 470 00:23:12,782 --> 00:23:15,742 Speaker 4: but also these other ways you can integrate health into 471 00:23:15,742 --> 00:23:16,742 Speaker 4: your life is a good thing. 472 00:23:16,782 --> 00:23:18,981 Speaker 2: I think you're right Jesse two about not getting too 473 00:23:19,022 --> 00:23:20,982 Speaker 2: hung up about the rules. We all love rules, right 474 00:23:20,982 --> 00:23:23,502 Speaker 2: because it makes things simpler. But I know loads of 475 00:23:23,542 --> 00:23:25,782 Speaker 2: women and I at times in my life have loved 476 00:23:25,821 --> 00:23:27,861 Speaker 2: when I used to do boot camp. Let's be clear 477 00:23:27,861 --> 00:23:29,702 Speaker 2: about how many years ago. This was quite a few, 478 00:23:29,742 --> 00:23:32,061 Speaker 2: but remember when I went through that phase of doing 479 00:23:32,101 --> 00:23:34,581 Speaker 2: six am boot camp at the beach in Sydney, and 480 00:23:34,621 --> 00:23:38,142 Speaker 2: that was a co ed situation and I loved that, 481 00:23:38,341 --> 00:23:41,061 Speaker 2: like I loved doing all the ropes and all those 482 00:23:41,101 --> 00:23:42,902 Speaker 2: things with the guys. And I know I've got lots 483 00:23:42,942 --> 00:23:46,581 Speaker 2: of female friends who love doing hard cardio in mixed environments. 484 00:23:46,621 --> 00:23:49,141 Speaker 2: I don't think we have to be so literal about 485 00:23:49,141 --> 00:23:50,901 Speaker 2: this kind of advice that we go, well, it's great 486 00:23:50,901 --> 00:23:53,181 Speaker 2: that we're learning more about women's bodies now we have 487 00:23:53,262 --> 00:23:56,381 Speaker 2: to exercise completely separately in a completely different way and 488 00:23:56,422 --> 00:23:59,901 Speaker 2: doing everything entirely differently. I think it's more about taking 489 00:23:59,901 --> 00:24:00,902 Speaker 2: the bits that work for you. 490 00:24:00,942 --> 00:24:03,861 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Because even I've seen it become more and 491 00:24:03,901 --> 00:24:08,022 Speaker 3: more specialized, and again, doctor Simms literally has a degree 492 00:24:08,061 --> 00:24:10,501 Speaker 3: in this. It gets more and more specialized, and then 493 00:24:10,542 --> 00:24:12,502 Speaker 3: it gets into the cycle, and I've seen a lot 494 00:24:12,502 --> 00:24:17,142 Speaker 3: of these like cycle sinking workouts where people talk about 495 00:24:17,222 --> 00:24:19,742 Speaker 3: what you do on day one and day two. If 496 00:24:19,742 --> 00:24:22,381 Speaker 3: that works for you, absolutely, to me, way too complicated. 497 00:24:22,462 --> 00:24:25,302 Speaker 3: I'm not even in touch with if I have my 498 00:24:25,381 --> 00:24:27,661 Speaker 3: period right now, let alone what day I am and 499 00:24:27,702 --> 00:24:28,782 Speaker 3: whether I should lift a weight. 500 00:24:29,022 --> 00:24:31,621 Speaker 4: And also, you don't need more excuses for not. 501 00:24:31,502 --> 00:24:34,861 Speaker 3: Going exactly, I don't feel like I need that, And 502 00:24:34,901 --> 00:24:37,221 Speaker 3: I've seen it co opted by people who don't have 503 00:24:37,302 --> 00:24:41,581 Speaker 3: access to the science and then provide these workout routines 504 00:24:41,661 --> 00:24:45,581 Speaker 3: that it basically makes women feel like you need a 505 00:24:45,621 --> 00:24:47,302 Speaker 3: degree in order to show up to the gym, and 506 00:24:47,341 --> 00:24:49,982 Speaker 3: I don't think that's the best thing. I listened to 507 00:24:50,022 --> 00:24:52,302 Speaker 3: the Quickie this morning where they were talking about some 508 00:24:52,341 --> 00:24:55,542 Speaker 3: of these findings, and the stuff about how during puberty 509 00:24:55,581 --> 00:24:59,141 Speaker 3: a woman's center of gravity changes was fascinating because we 510 00:24:59,222 --> 00:25:03,022 Speaker 3: know that women's or girls rather their involvement in sport 511 00:25:03,182 --> 00:25:05,422 Speaker 3: drops off, which is due to a lot of reasons. 512 00:25:05,742 --> 00:25:09,502 Speaker 3: Center of gravity. This thing about you might actually fear 513 00:25:10,262 --> 00:25:13,142 Speaker 3: less balanced, or if you're playing netball every week, then 514 00:25:13,262 --> 00:25:16,181 Speaker 3: you kind of don't feel like yourself. That kind of 515 00:25:16,222 --> 00:25:20,261 Speaker 3: research feels fundamental and really important. And I thought this 516 00:25:20,901 --> 00:25:23,982 Speaker 3: during pregnancy because people say, you know, I said to 517 00:25:23,982 --> 00:25:27,141 Speaker 3: my obsetrition, can I keep exercising? And in fact the 518 00:25:27,861 --> 00:25:30,941 Speaker 3: advice he gave me was make sure you eat before. 519 00:25:31,061 --> 00:25:34,302 Speaker 3: That's really important during pregnancy. And they say to do 520 00:25:34,341 --> 00:25:37,302 Speaker 3: what you've always done, not do anything too differently. But 521 00:25:37,381 --> 00:25:41,261 Speaker 3: with pregnant bodies, they're even less studied. It's like women's 522 00:25:41,302 --> 00:25:45,661 Speaker 3: body is not touched. Pregnant bodies everything from medication to 523 00:25:46,581 --> 00:25:49,182 Speaker 3: and what it results in, which is a good thing, 524 00:25:49,262 --> 00:25:52,581 Speaker 3: is complete risk aversion. But also us not knowing if 525 00:25:52,621 --> 00:25:56,302 Speaker 3: that antidepressant or that bla or that blah impacts the body, 526 00:25:56,341 --> 00:25:57,302 Speaker 3: because how do you study it. 527 00:25:57,422 --> 00:26:00,981 Speaker 2: There are good reasons for this, right from patriarchy in sexism, 528 00:26:01,022 --> 00:26:03,102 Speaker 2: which is obviously part of it, but also I heard 529 00:26:03,182 --> 00:26:05,181 Speaker 2: plenty of experts say it's hard to get control groups 530 00:26:05,182 --> 00:26:08,782 Speaker 2: of pregnant women for very obvious reasons. These seem like 531 00:26:08,821 --> 00:26:11,222 Speaker 2: problems that be able to be solved in this day 532 00:26:11,222 --> 00:26:11,502 Speaker 2: and age. 533 00:26:11,581 --> 00:26:14,821 Speaker 4: There's also the age issue. I mean I feel like 534 00:26:14,861 --> 00:26:17,142 Speaker 4: the way I exercised in my twenties, I went through 535 00:26:17,182 --> 00:26:20,982 Speaker 4: a brief orthorexic period of running seven miles a day 536 00:26:21,061 --> 00:26:24,981 Speaker 4: and not eating anything until lunchtime. I couldn't even do 537 00:26:25,022 --> 00:26:27,462 Speaker 4: that now if I wanted to. And so I think 538 00:26:27,462 --> 00:26:30,302 Speaker 4: that notion of being gentle on yourself from what you 539 00:26:30,381 --> 00:26:32,982 Speaker 4: could do earlier in your life versus what you can 540 00:26:33,022 --> 00:26:35,422 Speaker 4: do now is really important as well. 541 00:26:35,661 --> 00:26:38,422 Speaker 3: That it changes throughout a lifetime. She is also one 542 00:26:38,422 --> 00:26:41,101 Speaker 3: of the women who's working on this menstrual blood test stuff. 543 00:26:41,302 --> 00:26:43,022 Speaker 3: You guys, did we talk about this on the shdow 544 00:26:43,542 --> 00:26:46,341 Speaker 3: she's working on. For example, if you don't live anywhere 545 00:26:46,381 --> 00:26:48,581 Speaker 3: near a doctor, she wants us to be able to 546 00:26:48,581 --> 00:26:50,381 Speaker 3: test our menstrual blood and see what we can find 547 00:26:50,422 --> 00:26:52,941 Speaker 3: out about our health. She's a very impressive foll. 548 00:26:53,022 --> 00:26:55,262 Speaker 4: Jermaine Grew said we should taste our menstrual blood. 549 00:26:55,381 --> 00:26:58,622 Speaker 2: Yes, she did, familiar with it, make friends with it, 550 00:26:58,661 --> 00:27:00,542 Speaker 2: spread it on your hot crossbond. 551 00:27:01,141 --> 00:27:03,462 Speaker 3: Before we move on. This is actually why we made well. 552 00:27:03,581 --> 00:27:05,821 Speaker 3: So there is a brand new mum maya podcast about 553 00:27:05,861 --> 00:27:09,101 Speaker 3: women's health. Focuses solely on women's health for this reason 554 00:27:09,141 --> 00:27:12,821 Speaker 3: that women bodies have been understudied, and we're full of questions. 555 00:27:12,901 --> 00:27:15,421 Speaker 3: So look, it is so brilliant. It is with Claire 556 00:27:15,502 --> 00:27:17,902 Speaker 3: Murphy and doctor Mariam. And I must say I am 557 00:27:17,942 --> 00:27:21,462 Speaker 3: sending Claire questions. I sent hers something this week being 558 00:27:21,462 --> 00:27:22,941 Speaker 3: like for well, for well, because I want you to 559 00:27:22,982 --> 00:27:25,061 Speaker 3: explain it to me, tell me whether it's true. There 560 00:27:25,101 --> 00:27:26,381 Speaker 3: is a link in the show notes. 561 00:27:27,262 --> 00:27:30,222 Speaker 8: Took just over a week for the first major backflip 562 00:27:30,302 --> 00:27:33,981 Speaker 8: of the federal election campaign, Peter Dutton sensationally scrapping plans 563 00:27:34,022 --> 00:27:37,341 Speaker 8: to stop at public servants working from home. That oppositionally 564 00:27:37,381 --> 00:27:39,861 Speaker 8: it joins us Live now from Adelaide, Pete, good morning 565 00:27:39,901 --> 00:27:42,182 Speaker 8: to you. Conveniently you're in the city of churches. Will 566 00:27:42,262 --> 00:27:44,381 Speaker 8: you be asking for forgiveness from female voters? 567 00:27:45,901 --> 00:27:47,661 Speaker 9: I think I am today. Look, I think we've made 568 00:27:47,702 --> 00:27:50,542 Speaker 9: a mistake in relation to this policy, seruh, and I 569 00:27:50,581 --> 00:27:53,141 Speaker 9: think it's important that we say that and recognize it. 570 00:27:53,222 --> 00:27:56,302 Speaker 9: And our intention always was to make sure that we're 571 00:27:56,341 --> 00:27:59,061 Speaker 9: taxpayers are working hard and their money is being spent 572 00:27:59,061 --> 00:28:01,502 Speaker 9: to pay wages. It's been spent efficiently, and that of 573 00:28:01,542 --> 00:28:03,902 Speaker 9: course will always be the case. We want to spend 574 00:28:03,901 --> 00:28:05,101 Speaker 9: taxpayers money efficiently. 575 00:28:05,381 --> 00:28:08,222 Speaker 2: If you see one election headline today. It's probably this 576 00:28:08,302 --> 00:28:12,461 Speaker 2: one that Peter and backflipped on his famed war on 577 00:28:12,621 --> 00:28:15,861 Speaker 2: working from home. We talked about this a few shows 578 00:28:15,901 --> 00:28:18,821 Speaker 2: ago about how it seemed like one of the battle 579 00:28:18,821 --> 00:28:22,302 Speaker 2: lines being drawn between the two major parties was about 580 00:28:22,422 --> 00:28:25,101 Speaker 2: working from home and flexibility and where you work. And 581 00:28:25,141 --> 00:28:27,621 Speaker 2: it seemed at the time like the Coalition were taking 582 00:28:27,621 --> 00:28:29,861 Speaker 2: a bit of a leaf out of the Trump Doge 583 00:28:30,141 --> 00:28:34,061 Speaker 2: playbook and threatening to cut thousands of public service jobs 584 00:28:34,341 --> 00:28:38,302 Speaker 2: while also ushering government workers. That's a very broad term 585 00:28:38,342 --> 00:28:40,822 Speaker 2: government workers, but it's been thrown around a lot. Back 586 00:28:40,822 --> 00:28:42,942 Speaker 2: to the office five days a week. First of all, 587 00:28:42,982 --> 00:28:44,701 Speaker 2: it was all public servants, then it was just the 588 00:28:44,742 --> 00:28:48,782 Speaker 2: ones in camera the other side labor quite successfully. It 589 00:28:48,822 --> 00:28:53,501 Speaker 2: seems painted this as Donne being anti flexible work in general, 590 00:28:53,582 --> 00:28:56,062 Speaker 2: even though he never said that, and being the kind 591 00:28:56,102 --> 00:28:58,342 Speaker 2: of boss who forced you back into the office no 592 00:28:58,382 --> 00:29:00,421 Speaker 2: matter what, whether you wanted to come or not. But 593 00:29:00,502 --> 00:29:03,421 Speaker 2: it turns out Australia isn't America and people didn't love it. 594 00:29:03,422 --> 00:29:05,382 Speaker 2: In fact, they didn't love it so much that Dutton 595 00:29:05,462 --> 00:29:08,862 Speaker 2: did do this backflip in inverted commas, which is something 596 00:29:08,902 --> 00:29:12,942 Speaker 2: that general politicians avoid. But do we love it when 597 00:29:12,982 --> 00:29:14,982 Speaker 2: a politician says, we got that wrong. 598 00:29:15,262 --> 00:29:17,382 Speaker 3: I quite like this. I liked it, you know, to 599 00:29:17,462 --> 00:29:20,142 Speaker 3: admit to making a mistake rather than digging heels in 600 00:29:20,542 --> 00:29:22,822 Speaker 3: because you want to stick to something you said. I 601 00:29:22,862 --> 00:29:26,661 Speaker 3: think looking at the data and the information and the 602 00:29:26,661 --> 00:29:29,622 Speaker 3: feedback which they got a lot of, and going yeah, right, 603 00:29:29,661 --> 00:29:32,062 Speaker 3: you've got a point and then they pivot seems like 604 00:29:32,102 --> 00:29:35,701 Speaker 3: a good thing. I also feel as though they have 605 00:29:35,982 --> 00:29:40,422 Speaker 3: noticed that any connection or association between a Dutton government 606 00:29:40,542 --> 00:29:46,181 Speaker 3: and a Trump presidency is not going down well with 607 00:29:46,302 --> 00:29:49,662 Speaker 3: the Australian public. So we interviewed on the project last 608 00:29:49,742 --> 00:29:53,222 Speaker 3: night Samantha Maiden, who was saying that the dad vote 609 00:29:53,342 --> 00:29:56,421 Speaker 3: is apparently critical in this election, and in terms of 610 00:29:56,422 --> 00:30:00,022 Speaker 3: what dads care about, it's Medicare, it's climate change, and 611 00:30:00,062 --> 00:30:04,462 Speaker 3: they don't like this Dutton position on working from home. 612 00:30:04,542 --> 00:30:08,382 Speaker 3: It's not popular. Whereas in the US there's a swing, right, 613 00:30:08,502 --> 00:30:10,382 Speaker 3: we're actually seeing the opposite in Australia. 614 00:30:10,462 --> 00:30:13,022 Speaker 4: I have a theory as to why this work from 615 00:30:13,142 --> 00:30:16,462 Speaker 4: home or bringing workers back to the office push has 616 00:30:16,502 --> 00:30:19,782 Speaker 4: not worked in Australia. Basically, you know, the premise is 617 00:30:19,782 --> 00:30:22,822 Speaker 4: that government workers aren't working hard enough. They're bludgers. They 618 00:30:22,822 --> 00:30:26,021 Speaker 4: are at home. They're not delivering for taxpayers. When I 619 00:30:26,102 --> 00:30:29,142 Speaker 4: moved back here after a few years away last June, 620 00:30:29,142 --> 00:30:31,941 Speaker 4: one thing that really struck me was that I'd go 621 00:30:32,062 --> 00:30:33,902 Speaker 4: to the doctor. I'll take my kid to the doctor, 622 00:30:34,102 --> 00:30:36,742 Speaker 4: and then a couple of days afterwards, I will get 623 00:30:36,742 --> 00:30:40,702 Speaker 4: a payment from Medicare in my bank account. This blew 624 00:30:40,742 --> 00:30:43,741 Speaker 4: my mind. I cannot tell you how unusual this is 625 00:30:43,782 --> 00:30:46,222 Speaker 4: in the United States. The only time you hear from 626 00:30:46,262 --> 00:30:48,822 Speaker 4: government in the United States for most people is when 627 00:30:48,822 --> 00:30:50,502 Speaker 4: you have to pay your taxes and they come to 628 00:30:50,502 --> 00:30:52,302 Speaker 4: you and say, this is how much money you owe us. 629 00:30:52,862 --> 00:30:55,342 Speaker 4: The notion that the government is putting money into my 630 00:30:55,462 --> 00:30:58,342 Speaker 4: bank account without me having to do any paperwork to 631 00:30:58,382 --> 00:31:00,262 Speaker 4: get it there is completely alien. 632 00:31:00,742 --> 00:31:03,422 Speaker 3: So my like those guys, I like the people giving 633 00:31:03,462 --> 00:31:03,862 Speaker 3: me my mind. 634 00:31:04,222 --> 00:31:07,582 Speaker 4: My theory is that Australians are seeing and feeling how 635 00:31:07,661 --> 00:31:10,742 Speaker 4: government is working for them, even in something as seemingly 636 00:31:10,782 --> 00:31:12,981 Speaker 4: trivial as that little payment from Medicare when you go 637 00:31:12,982 --> 00:31:14,941 Speaker 4: to the doctor. Now, I know that that's also been 638 00:31:14,982 --> 00:31:17,302 Speaker 4: minimized over time, and that Medicare has become a shell 639 00:31:17,382 --> 00:31:19,622 Speaker 4: of its former self, but nonetheless you're still getting that 640 00:31:19,661 --> 00:31:22,102 Speaker 4: money in your bank account. In the US, you don't 641 00:31:22,142 --> 00:31:24,702 Speaker 4: see how government works for you. You only see government 642 00:31:24,742 --> 00:31:26,782 Speaker 4: saying you owe me this much for your taxes. 643 00:31:26,822 --> 00:31:29,062 Speaker 2: I think it's right. I think the government worker bashing 644 00:31:29,062 --> 00:31:31,062 Speaker 2: that's been going on, and we had lots of out 645 00:31:31,062 --> 00:31:33,782 Speaker 2: louders when we spoke about it last time, like really 646 00:31:33,862 --> 00:31:37,142 Speaker 2: upset about that. It's such a ridiculously broad term that 647 00:31:37,182 --> 00:31:39,661 Speaker 2: pulls in so many different kinds of jobs, and this 648 00:31:39,902 --> 00:31:42,142 Speaker 2: broad bashing of it. I think that what Australians here 649 00:31:42,182 --> 00:31:44,542 Speaker 2: when they hear cutting government worker jobs is they think 650 00:31:44,622 --> 00:31:48,142 Speaker 2: longer wait time, shittier service, all that stuff. And I 651 00:31:48,182 --> 00:31:51,902 Speaker 2: think that kind of anti Canberra drain, the swampy kind 652 00:31:51,902 --> 00:31:54,342 Speaker 2: of thing just doesn't play here, which is really interesting. 653 00:31:55,062 --> 00:31:57,742 Speaker 3: After the break the seven point fashion rule that will 654 00:31:57,822 --> 00:31:59,661 Speaker 3: change the way you get dressed in the morning. 655 00:32:00,661 --> 00:32:04,382 Speaker 2: One unlimited out loud access. We drop episodes every Tuesday 656 00:32:04,422 --> 00:32:08,502 Speaker 2: and Thursday exclusively for Mamma Mia subscribers. Follow the link 657 00:32:08,502 --> 00:32:10,221 Speaker 2: in the show notes to get us in your ears 658 00:32:10,542 --> 00:32:13,262 Speaker 2: five days a week. And a huge thank you to 659 00:32:13,462 --> 00:32:19,622 Speaker 2: all our current subscribers. 660 00:32:22,902 --> 00:32:25,462 Speaker 3: May is not here, but she will be calling in 661 00:32:25,622 --> 00:32:28,502 Speaker 3: with an impassioned complaint because I'm about to bring a 662 00:32:28,542 --> 00:32:31,822 Speaker 3: fashion topic to the podcast. Yes, and the day I 663 00:32:31,942 --> 00:32:34,422 Speaker 3: become the fashion correspondent on the show is a sad 664 00:32:34,502 --> 00:32:37,982 Speaker 3: day for us all. But I have a fashionable friend 665 00:32:38,142 --> 00:32:41,142 Speaker 3: it's not Maya, and she told me about the seven 666 00:32:41,182 --> 00:32:44,302 Speaker 3: point fashion rule over the weekend and suddenly everything makes sense. 667 00:32:44,782 --> 00:32:47,502 Speaker 3: It has been doing the rounds on TikTok, and here's 668 00:32:47,542 --> 00:32:48,462 Speaker 3: a bit of a summary. 669 00:32:48,661 --> 00:32:50,822 Speaker 2: Getting dressed using the seven point outfit method. 670 00:32:50,822 --> 00:32:52,902 Speaker 1: According to this method that I saw in TikTok, each 671 00:32:53,022 --> 00:32:55,741 Speaker 1: article of clothing or accessory equals one point, and when 672 00:32:55,822 --> 00:32:58,181 Speaker 1: you add up to seven points, you will have the 673 00:32:58,182 --> 00:33:00,542 Speaker 1: perfect outfit. So my top in my bottom is both 674 00:33:00,582 --> 00:33:02,622 Speaker 1: automatically give me one point each, and then we're going 675 00:33:02,661 --> 00:33:04,702 Speaker 1: to add a pair of shoes, which is another point. 676 00:33:04,822 --> 00:33:06,822 Speaker 1: Then I'm going to add this black and gold belt, 677 00:33:06,822 --> 00:33:08,981 Speaker 1: which will give me my fourth point for this outfit. 678 00:33:09,102 --> 00:33:11,702 Speaker 1: Then some gold jewelry to match the belt, and all 679 00:33:11,742 --> 00:33:13,782 Speaker 1: of the jewelry is going to count as one point. 680 00:33:13,862 --> 00:33:15,862 Speaker 1: And with all of that, we're still only at five 681 00:33:15,902 --> 00:33:17,582 Speaker 1: out of seven points. So I'm going to add this 682 00:33:17,661 --> 00:33:20,302 Speaker 1: black tope bag that I use as my backpack for school, 683 00:33:20,382 --> 00:33:22,582 Speaker 1: and finally I'm going to add some sunglasses, which are 684 00:33:22,622 --> 00:33:23,582 Speaker 1: also one point. 685 00:33:23,702 --> 00:33:25,421 Speaker 5: Every item has a score of either one or two, 686 00:33:25,542 --> 00:33:27,142 Speaker 5: depending on how much it adds to that. There are 687 00:33:27,182 --> 00:33:30,982 Speaker 5: some examples of ones, think basic, solid color, normal, solo one, 688 00:33:30,982 --> 00:33:35,542 Speaker 5: and here are some examples of twos. Think pattern, textured, interesting, silouette. 689 00:33:35,661 --> 00:33:37,622 Speaker 5: Your goal is to get to at least seven and 690 00:33:37,702 --> 00:33:39,382 Speaker 5: try not to exceed nine or ten. 691 00:33:39,422 --> 00:33:41,862 Speaker 2: I would never stay within the nine or ten. 692 00:33:41,982 --> 00:33:45,422 Speaker 3: No, she's at thirty eight every single day to you today, 693 00:33:45,661 --> 00:33:48,542 Speaker 3: I think I'm two points, which is a record. 694 00:33:48,982 --> 00:33:50,862 Speaker 2: I actually bracelets. 695 00:33:51,382 --> 00:33:53,502 Speaker 3: I don't know if they count. The idea is that 696 00:33:53,542 --> 00:33:56,702 Speaker 3: you've got your neutrals or your basics. So I'm wearing 697 00:33:56,742 --> 00:33:58,822 Speaker 3: like a shirt dress. It might just be a shit, 698 00:33:58,822 --> 00:34:00,502 Speaker 3: but I'm wearing it as a dress. That's one point. 699 00:34:00,542 --> 00:34:02,342 Speaker 3: And I've got my shoes on, which is a plus 700 00:34:02,342 --> 00:34:05,062 Speaker 3: for a Monday, so I've got my two points. Then 701 00:34:05,102 --> 00:34:09,502 Speaker 3: there's statement pieces. Allegedly some people own something called statement pieces, 702 00:34:09,702 --> 00:34:12,741 Speaker 3: which is like a pattern shirt or maybe you've got 703 00:34:12,782 --> 00:34:15,181 Speaker 3: a skirt with a really good shape to. 704 00:34:16,942 --> 00:34:17,142 Speaker 2: Yep. 705 00:34:17,222 --> 00:34:21,422 Speaker 3: A designer handbag is apparently like that's two points, you'd hope, 706 00:34:21,822 --> 00:34:24,462 Speaker 3: or like a chunky necklace or a belt. Look so 707 00:34:24,582 --> 00:34:26,622 Speaker 3: if I've got my shirts one point, then. 708 00:34:26,261 --> 00:34:27,582 Speaker 2: I underwear doesn't count. 709 00:34:27,822 --> 00:34:30,542 Speaker 3: Doesn't count maybe if you can see it. But if 710 00:34:30,582 --> 00:34:32,502 Speaker 3: I had a blazer, can you imagine me a blazer 711 00:34:32,542 --> 00:34:36,701 Speaker 3: that's another one, a fancy bag, maybe some nice boots 712 00:34:36,822 --> 00:34:39,181 Speaker 3: or something. Then I'm looking at a seven and then 713 00:34:39,181 --> 00:34:42,382 Speaker 3: I look done. And if you're wondering why you chronically 714 00:34:42,422 --> 00:34:46,022 Speaker 3: look underdone because you're not reaching your seven. And if 715 00:34:46,022 --> 00:34:47,982 Speaker 3: you're like a Maya and you know the co Ko 716 00:34:48,062 --> 00:34:50,781 Speaker 3: Chanell rule about take something off. 717 00:34:50,701 --> 00:34:53,821 Speaker 2: Before you leave the mirror, turnaround, take it. 718 00:34:53,741 --> 00:34:57,582 Speaker 3: Off because you're exceeding your seven? Does this make sense 719 00:34:57,622 --> 00:34:57,821 Speaker 3: to you? 720 00:34:57,822 --> 00:34:58,102 Speaker 4: Guys? 721 00:34:58,102 --> 00:34:58,542 Speaker 3: What do you think? 722 00:34:58,661 --> 00:35:00,861 Speaker 4: Yeah, some people just have it when it comes to 723 00:35:00,902 --> 00:35:03,502 Speaker 4: fashion and some people don't. And I love fashion, but 724 00:35:03,542 --> 00:35:06,142 Speaker 4: I'm in the latter camp. So I'm trying to find 725 00:35:06,142 --> 00:35:08,822 Speaker 4: a leather jacket right now, And I keep sending links 726 00:35:08,822 --> 00:35:12,022 Speaker 4: to Mia. She just keeps responding with no. 727 00:35:12,701 --> 00:35:13,582 Speaker 3: That's not helpful. 728 00:35:13,701 --> 00:35:16,941 Speaker 4: It's really hurtful, first of all. But as someone who 729 00:35:17,062 --> 00:35:20,702 Speaker 4: is like a bit fashion clueless despite my love of fashion, 730 00:35:20,781 --> 00:35:23,221 Speaker 4: I do love a fashion rule. Yes, have you heard 731 00:35:23,221 --> 00:35:25,622 Speaker 4: of Amy Smileovic. She's the founder of Tibbi, which is 732 00:35:25,661 --> 00:35:28,622 Speaker 4: this fashion brand out of the US about to become 733 00:35:28,622 --> 00:35:31,701 Speaker 4: more expensive. She has a bunch of these fashion rules. 734 00:35:31,741 --> 00:35:33,821 Speaker 4: I just wanted to run a few past you. Rule 735 00:35:33,822 --> 00:35:36,221 Speaker 4: of three that means you need three key items or 736 00:35:36,261 --> 00:35:40,422 Speaker 4: elements in your outfit. Related is her one ton or 737 00:35:40,502 --> 00:35:43,661 Speaker 4: none rule, which means you can wear no color one 738 00:35:43,741 --> 00:35:46,501 Speaker 4: color is a statement or a ton of color, which 739 00:35:46,542 --> 00:35:48,781 Speaker 4: actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it, 740 00:35:48,822 --> 00:35:51,342 Speaker 4: like you can't wear like bright red and bright blue 741 00:35:51,982 --> 00:35:55,222 Speaker 4: without then adding bright green shoes. And then there's big 742 00:35:55,302 --> 00:35:58,421 Speaker 4: slim skin, which means you need one element of each 743 00:35:58,502 --> 00:35:59,262 Speaker 4: in your outfit. 744 00:35:59,622 --> 00:36:04,342 Speaker 2: This is very confusing, but I've realized about the seven points. 745 00:36:05,102 --> 00:36:08,582 Speaker 2: It's accessories, right, and I am terrible at accessories. Some people, 746 00:36:08,862 --> 00:36:11,982 Speaker 2: like our much mentioned friend, me very good with accessories. 747 00:36:12,382 --> 00:36:14,502 Speaker 2: I change my earrings once a month and then I 748 00:36:14,542 --> 00:36:16,941 Speaker 2: forget about them. That's it. And my rings I wear 749 00:36:17,062 --> 00:36:19,741 Speaker 2: every day, like I just I've got one bag and 750 00:36:19,781 --> 00:36:23,221 Speaker 2: I wear it every day. The changing of accessories to 751 00:36:23,261 --> 00:36:25,181 Speaker 2: go with every outfit, I think that is one of 752 00:36:25,221 --> 00:36:28,502 Speaker 2: those two types of people. Yes, and whether probably one 753 00:36:28,502 --> 00:36:31,022 Speaker 2: of the delineators about whether or not your because when 754 00:36:31,062 --> 00:36:33,461 Speaker 2: we talk about clothes on the show, we often get 755 00:36:33,542 --> 00:36:35,381 Speaker 2: like nice supportive ou Ladders will be like, but you 756 00:36:35,422 --> 00:36:38,622 Speaker 2: look nice, Holly, you look nice, Jesse. But we all 757 00:36:38,661 --> 00:36:41,901 Speaker 2: know that Mia is the one who thinks about it 758 00:36:41,942 --> 00:36:44,861 Speaker 2: the most, tries the hardest at it, gets the most 759 00:36:44,902 --> 00:36:46,942 Speaker 2: joy from it. So she feels very comfortable looking at 760 00:36:47,022 --> 00:36:49,782 Speaker 2: us and going look at you, satellites. But I reckon, 761 00:36:49,781 --> 00:36:52,702 Speaker 2: there's that delineation probably of whether did you think today 762 00:36:52,741 --> 00:36:54,542 Speaker 2: when you put your like So I'm wearing a dress 763 00:36:54,542 --> 00:36:58,422 Speaker 2: today and shoes. My dress is probably one, right, my 764 00:36:58,502 --> 00:36:59,942 Speaker 2: shoes are red, so I might get. 765 00:36:59,822 --> 00:37:00,381 Speaker 4: Two for those. 766 00:37:00,462 --> 00:37:03,062 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're a two point shoe lady, because 767 00:37:03,102 --> 00:37:06,822 Speaker 2: I love an interesting shoe. But then I've stopped. Whereas 768 00:37:06,822 --> 00:37:10,582 Speaker 2: if I was any person you'd be waiting a fancy 769 00:37:10,781 --> 00:37:12,982 Speaker 2: I would have looked in the mirror and gone, maybe 770 00:37:12,982 --> 00:37:18,221 Speaker 2: a belt, maybe a bag, maybe a fascinatory morning. But 771 00:37:18,302 --> 00:37:20,462 Speaker 2: it's accessories. How do you get good at that? 772 00:37:20,582 --> 00:37:23,142 Speaker 3: Okay? So I think that this is what fashion people 773 00:37:23,181 --> 00:37:25,341 Speaker 3: mean when they use a word I've never understood, and 774 00:37:25,382 --> 00:37:30,261 Speaker 3: that word is elevated. Okay, they go, this just looks elevated, 775 00:37:30,661 --> 00:37:32,502 Speaker 3: and they do things like roll up their sleeves. 776 00:37:32,781 --> 00:37:35,702 Speaker 2: Yes, me is always telling me to roll up my sleeves. 777 00:37:35,302 --> 00:37:37,982 Speaker 3: And I don't understand what elevated means. And I think 778 00:37:38,062 --> 00:37:43,102 Speaker 3: that is because they own items that would qualify as 779 00:37:43,542 --> 00:37:45,902 Speaker 3: a two pointer. I don't think I own an item 780 00:37:45,942 --> 00:37:46,662 Speaker 3: that's a two pointer. 781 00:37:47,022 --> 00:37:49,741 Speaker 4: I have to say that I did make one purchase 782 00:37:49,781 --> 00:37:53,821 Speaker 4: recently that has changed everything for me. I heard this theory. 783 00:37:54,102 --> 00:37:54,902 Speaker 4: I bought a belt. 784 00:37:56,102 --> 00:37:57,902 Speaker 3: What kind of because before I thought, I don't have 785 00:37:58,022 --> 00:38:01,582 Speaker 3: a belt stay up by themselves because I buy the 786 00:38:01,622 --> 00:38:03,742 Speaker 3: correct size, Why do I need a belt? 787 00:38:03,942 --> 00:38:06,741 Speaker 4: Also, as an older millennial often discussed on this show, 788 00:38:07,062 --> 00:38:09,301 Speaker 4: we were told the belts were unfashionable. 789 00:38:09,342 --> 00:38:11,781 Speaker 3: Yeah, we went too hard on the belt and then 790 00:38:11,822 --> 00:38:12,821 Speaker 3: we had to throw them out. 791 00:38:12,902 --> 00:38:16,221 Speaker 4: Belts, creases, socks, these were all things that we were 792 00:38:16,261 --> 00:38:18,941 Speaker 4: taught pleats. Rather, we were told we couldn't wear them. 793 00:38:19,302 --> 00:38:21,661 Speaker 4: But I bought a belt, and I feel like, here's 794 00:38:21,661 --> 00:38:22,701 Speaker 4: another fashion term. 795 00:38:22,862 --> 00:38:26,542 Speaker 2: It pulls it all together, right, That's what I mean. 796 00:38:26,661 --> 00:38:31,582 Speaker 3: And something going. 797 00:38:32,062 --> 00:38:34,261 Speaker 2: He is going to be throwing the phone right now. 798 00:38:34,622 --> 00:38:37,542 Speaker 3: So apparently in your wardrobe you're meant to have a 799 00:38:37,582 --> 00:38:40,102 Speaker 3: one point section and a two point section. Ship yea, 800 00:38:41,022 --> 00:38:44,221 Speaker 3: and my two point sections empty? Where are we meant 801 00:38:44,261 --> 00:38:46,102 Speaker 3: to keep the accessories? Where do you keep your belt. 802 00:38:46,422 --> 00:38:49,062 Speaker 4: I've only got one. I feel like this is like 803 00:38:49,142 --> 00:38:51,661 Speaker 4: if we had me or explained tariffs, like, this is 804 00:38:51,661 --> 00:38:52,301 Speaker 4: what we're doing. 805 00:38:55,701 --> 00:38:59,741 Speaker 2: I've got a belt, how I keep it on a 806 00:38:59,781 --> 00:39:02,102 Speaker 2: hook on the back of my door, and I forget 807 00:39:02,181 --> 00:39:06,062 Speaker 2: it exists constantly every now and again, I got the belt? 808 00:39:06,462 --> 00:39:09,502 Speaker 2: Does that work? It's like, yeah, Now I think accessory 809 00:39:10,142 --> 00:39:10,661 Speaker 2: are the thing? 810 00:39:10,902 --> 00:39:12,542 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I think. 811 00:39:12,862 --> 00:39:17,142 Speaker 2: On that note, and with MIA's hair on fire, a 812 00:39:17,261 --> 00:39:19,181 Speaker 2: massive thank you to all of the outludders. 813 00:39:19,221 --> 00:39:22,021 Speaker 4: That's our second album. 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