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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 2: The Quickie. For the past year, the Mummamea team have

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Speaker 2: been out and about asking you what behaviors should remain

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Speaker 2: as we head into twenty twenty five and what should

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Speaker 2: we chuck in the bin. Together they've put together an

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Speaker 2: extensive list of etiquette guides that range from dating apps

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Speaker 2: to kids parties and rules for plane travel. They've scoured

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Speaker 2: all your ix and musters so we can collectively agree

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Speaker 2: on a calm and harmonious new Year. But before we

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Speaker 2: find out how you think we should all be behaving,

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Speaker 2: let's check out the latest from the Quickie newsroom. Friday,

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Speaker 2: December twenty A French court has found the ex husband

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Speaker 2: of Giselle Pellicott, who repeatedly drugged and raped his wife,

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Speaker 2: inviting dozens of other men to also assault her while

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Speaker 2: she was unconscious over more than a decade, guilty of

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Speaker 2: his crime. Homes All the man's fifty co defendants were

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Speaker 2: The now seventy two year old victims survivor, Gazelle, who

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Speaker 2: and resilience in the face of the horrendous crime, sat

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Speaker 2: to hear her speak. She said the trial had been

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Speaker 2: her decision to allow the case to be heard publicly.

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Speaker 2: She says she now has confidence in a collective ability

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Speaker 2: who'd been married to Gizelle for fifty years, pleaded guilty

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Speaker 2: All of them now have ten days to decide if

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Speaker 2: During the trial, Gazelle demanded that the videos taken by

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Speaker 2: in the world today. Next, ever, wonder what the rules

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Speaker 2: We break all that down with Mamma MIA's Modern Etiquette Guide.

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Speaker 2: Look, we know we don't actually have the authority to

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Speaker 2: if you've ever wondered what's expected of you as we

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Speaker 2: why the group chat sometimes goes quiet when you chime in,

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Speaker 2: Our colleagues at Mamma Mia have spent months tirelessly scouring

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Speaker 2: the Mamma Mia Modern Etiquette Guide, which you can find

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Speaker 2: Mess podcast. Stacy, why do we feel we need an

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Speaker 3: You need to remember, though, Claire, we went through COVID

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Speaker 3: The world, it's kind of a big readjustment now of

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Speaker 1: That is so true.

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Speaker 2: I had a conversation with our executive producer Taylor Strono

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Speaker 2: I wish social distancing was still a thing. People were

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Speaker 4: Some of those things should be brought back.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, well let's kick off. We'll start off

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Speaker 3: So the biggest one is figuring out if it's a

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Speaker 3: If your kids coming here, they are my child's entertainment.

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Speaker 3: You don't send your kid empty handed. So they can

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Speaker 1: Okay, pack snack pack snacks.

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Speaker 3: The kids get ready, the parents run out of things

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Speaker 2: And go lovely. What else do we need to know

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Speaker 3: I think twenty dollars is the going rate or a

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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on from kids and go to adults.

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Speaker 2: Coming around for a catch up? What are the dos

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Speaker 3: So, I feel like it's pretty obvious that you shouldn't

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Speaker 4: Told that you shouldn't be super early either.

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Speaker 5: It's like when you're firstly, like in that early stage

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Speaker 4: It's only fair.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's just maintaining balance.

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Speaker 2: This is something that we are all in, so you

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Speaker 2: I'm actually guilty of this, and it's not because I

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Speaker 5: If you put a meeting in between twelve pm and

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Speaker 4: That's just it.

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Speaker 2: We use a program called slack here at Mamma Mia,

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Speaker 5: Very quiet, and if you do, just know they we're

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Speaker 5: that you're not in. If you know someone is sick,

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Speaker 5: People have this idea that, oh, they don't have to

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Speaker 5: back in. There's nothing worse than literally being on your

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Speaker 5: deathbed thinking either you're not going to make it, and

442
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Speaker 5: then you get a message going, hey.

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Speaker 4: Can you schedule this meeting from like.

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Speaker 5: Three pm tomorrow?

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Speaker 4: We don't want to be doing that.

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Speaker 1: Can I not have a day to just die peacefully? Please?

447
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Speaker 4: Please?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I get that, all right? What's our final one

449
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Speaker 1: for the workplace?

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Speaker 5: If you see a colleague in public.

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Speaker 4: No you didn't. I didn't see them. That's not them.

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Speaker 2: My colleague Gray roof Ray saw me walking down the

453
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Speaker 2: street in Sydney a little while ago, did not acknowledge me.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like you maybe read that guide.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I'm doing the lord's work with that one.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into a sharehouse situation. M Durnham.

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Speaker 2: It's been quite a while since I've lived in a sharehouse,

458
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Speaker 2: but I have done my fair share of university slash

459
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Speaker 2: too young to be able to afford the rent by

460
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Speaker 2: myself situation for a while. So let's get into the sharehouse.

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Speaker 2: What do we need to know?

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Speaker 4: This one is really controversial.

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Speaker 5: This one is one that I've got in the most

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Speaker 5: messages about if you're splitting takeaway, So if you've all

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Speaker 5: decided to get takeaway and eat together, whoever eats the

466
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Speaker 5: most pays the most?

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Speaker 1: Oh, how do you work that out? Though?

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Speaker 5: I actually don't know. I think they're just going off vibes,

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Speaker 5: which I feel like is a dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Game, Like do you go pro spring roll?

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Speaker 2: Like do you go like I had four spring rolls

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Speaker 2: and you had seven, therefore you have to pay seven

473
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Speaker 2: dollars to my full?

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Speaker 1: Like is that how that works?

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Speaker 5: I think that's how it works, or like whoever eats

476
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Speaker 5: the most of like the leftovers. I think this is

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Speaker 5: mainly an issue that people have who live with men,

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Speaker 5: because everyone who said this live with men, Yeah, yeah,

479
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Speaker 5: and fast as well.

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Speaker 4: So you don't even see them. You're like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 4: where did the people go?

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Speaker 2: All right, we need an accountant to officially do the

483
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Speaker 2: numbers on that. Okay, what else we got?

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Speaker 5: If your partner stays over more than three nights a week,

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Speaker 5: they need to start paying up. Yep, like they have

486
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Speaker 5: their own house. Come on, electricity Wi Fi? How much

487
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Speaker 5: can I get out of this person?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: If you're having friends over, your housemates need a warning.

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Speaker 5: This also includes if you're inviting your parents over for dinner,

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Speaker 5: if you're having a one night stand, I'm not going

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Speaker 5: to have my parents sitting at a dining table with

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Speaker 5: like a random man walking out shirtless and grabbing a

494
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Speaker 5: bottle of orange juice from the fridge and then leaving

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Speaker 5: Like I can't be having that.

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Speaker 4: That's too much.

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Speaker 5: You all need to develop an understanding that if parents

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Speaker 5: are over, this is my house. If you're having a hookup,

499
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Speaker 5: let me know. I'll clean the bathroom for you. Like

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Speaker 5: we're just helping each other out at this point.

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Speaker 2: Cass Green is MoMA Mee's morning editor. Cass with so

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Speaker 2: many of us out and about holidaying and traveling this year,

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Speaker 2: we all have stories of that person at the hotel

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Speaker 2: or on the plane. What are the guidelines of traveling

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 6: So, yeah, with travel, you usually think sandy beach is

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Speaker 6: in cul Gelato, but often it's missing luggage and sweaty airports.

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Speaker 6: So there's a few things that you can do to

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Speaker 6: make the experience better on yourself and your fellow travelers.

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Speaker 6: I know reclining plane seats is a very contentious issue,

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Speaker 6: and I used to be a non recliner until I

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Speaker 6: realized that I would be more comfortable if I.

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Speaker 4: Just followed everybody else and did it too.

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Speaker 6: So when we were looking at the etiquette guy, we

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Speaker 6: really wanted to zero in on what's akaine, what's not.

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Speaker 4: You're allowed to recline.

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Speaker 6: Your seat, just make sure that you're not going back

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Speaker 6: with gusto, hitting someone's knees behind you, and making sure

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Speaker 6: that you're bringing it back up during meal times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So I had someone do an aggressive recline

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Speaker 2: on a plane recently. It shocked me. I had like

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Speaker 2: a cake that I had been saving for the flight.

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Speaker 2: It was in like a little cardboard box that I

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Speaker 2: bought at the airport, and it was sitting at the

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Speaker 2: very front of my tray table which was down and

526
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Speaker 2: my aggressive recliner squished my much look forward to cake.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm happy for someone to recline. Just please

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Speaker 2: do it gently.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, do it gently, And if you don't have to

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Speaker 6: do it the whole flight, and you can give someone

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Speaker 6: a bit more space during some periods, go for it.

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Speaker 4: Another one would be bags in pool chairs.

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Speaker 6: I think we've all gone down to the pool after

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Speaker 6: like a leisurely breakfast and realized that every pool chair

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Speaker 6: has a towel and somebody's sunglasses on it. This is

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Speaker 6: just totally not allowed and not good etiquette for your

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Speaker 6: fellow poolgoers.

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Speaker 4: If you're not going to be there, let the chair

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Speaker 4: go to someone else.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say, I'm in two minds about this

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Speaker 2: because when I go down to the hall and I

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Speaker 2: see all the chairs are bags, I'm like, I hate

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Speaker 2: each and every one of you. But I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: if I hate them or whether I hate myself for

545
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Speaker 2: not getting up early enough and doing it myself. Like

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Speaker 2: I feel like I would totally bags a chair if

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Speaker 2: I got up early enough.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think that's the thinking of the

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Speaker 6: people that do bags pool chairs, is that they're just ahead.

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Speaker 4: Of the game.

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Speaker 6: But I think, really, if we're just a bit more

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Speaker 6: considerate and we didn't bags them, then there'd be more

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Speaker 6: chairs to.

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Speaker 4: Go around overall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough.

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Speaker 6: So another one we had is getting to know your

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Speaker 6: seat mate, which is a very controversial one, and I

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Speaker 6: think a lot of people don't like getting to know

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Speaker 6: their seat mate. That seems to be the general consensus.

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Speaker 6: Not sure about you, Claire.

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Speaker 2: I feel like for me, a plane ride is an

562
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Speaker 2: opportunity to turn my brain off, and because we're in life,

563
00:24:04,934 --> 00:24:08,294
Speaker 2: in work, in mental load always so switched on, whether

564
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Speaker 2: we're doom scrolling or whatever, I just want to sit

565
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Speaker 2: quietly for a bit and a plane is a perfect

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Speaker 2: opportunity to do that, especially if the WiFi is not

567
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Speaker 2: working and you literally cannot access anything like to switch off,

568
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Speaker 2: and I don't want to start a whole relationship. It

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Speaker 2: takes a lot of effort, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 6: So I think with the seat mate, feel free to

571
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Speaker 6: get on, say a little hello and suss what they're doing.

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Speaker 6: Are they keeping their earphones in their ears? Are they

573
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Speaker 6: opening their book? Are they zero in on a movie?

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Speaker 6: I think all those things are proof that they probably

575
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Speaker 6: don't want to chat if they're asking you questions and

576
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Speaker 6: being genial, Absolutely feel free to have a conversation. You

577
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Speaker 6: don't have to be rude, but just be really aware

578
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Speaker 6: and tread with caution.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Also, just be prepared for someone not to want to respond, Like,

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Speaker 2: if someone starts talking to me, I'll give a polite answer,

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Speaker 2: but it becomes very obvious that I'm not engaging in

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Speaker 2: the conversation. So maybe like take a few social cues.

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Speaker 6: Another one that I think is really important and one

585
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Speaker 6: that we all do from time to time is not

586
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Speaker 6: sorting our lives out before we get to the front

587
00:25:04,334 --> 00:25:07,254
Speaker 6: of airport security. There's always one person that hasn't taken

588
00:25:07,294 --> 00:25:09,134
Speaker 6: the coins out of their pocket, that still has their

589
00:25:09,134 --> 00:25:11,374
Speaker 6: shoes on, and you're like, can we just do this

590
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Speaker 6: as a guy asking you and telling you exactly what

591
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Speaker 6: to do. So I always take my liquids out of

592
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Speaker 6: my bag very early so that when I get to

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Speaker 6: the front of the queue, I'm not holding anyone up.

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Speaker 1: I was that person. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 2: Not at the security line, but at like the passport

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Speaker 2: check line. I went to Japan this year, and you

597
00:25:27,774 --> 00:25:30,654
Speaker 2: can electronically upload all your info before you get there,

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Speaker 2: and it's supposed to make the process very quick and easy,

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Speaker 2: and it doesn't think where you take a photo of

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Speaker 2: your passport info page and it uploads all the info

601
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Speaker 2: for you. And I didn't double check that it had

602
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Speaker 2: got all the numbers right, so two of our passport

603
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Speaker 2: numbers didn't match the number that the thing had scanned in,

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Speaker 2: and I was just like, what do you mean can

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Speaker 2: I just And he's like, you need to go over

606
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Speaker 2: there and fix that before you can now come over here.

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Speaker 2: And I was that person who held up so many people,

608
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Speaker 2: and I felt so bad, But I should have checked

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Speaker 2: it first.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't sound like that was too much of your fault.

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Speaker 6: I think if there's you know, errors like that with documents,

612
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Speaker 6: you know that is the way it goes, and you

613
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Speaker 6: have to be gentle with your fellow travelers. But if

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Speaker 6: you get to the front of the queue and you

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Speaker 6: have liquids in eight different bags and your laptops still in.

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Speaker 4: There, like sort of out.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, you'll find links to all these etiquette

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Speaker 2: guides in our show notes, and I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 2: slide one or two. The way of people that you

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Speaker 2: know have been the culprits of some social crimes that

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Speaker 2: we've mentioned here today. Thanks for taking the time to

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Speaker 2: feed your mind with us. The quickie is produced by

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Speaker 2: me Claire Murphy and our executive producer, Taylor Strano, with

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Speaker 2: audio production by Teagan Sadler,