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Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hey you bees. Lee

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Speaker 2: here again with another wonderful episode of Nothing to Wear Now.

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Speaker 2: The very insightful Live James had so much to say

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Speaker 2: on gen Z versus millennial fashion that we had to

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Speaker 2: get her back. Guess what. She puts a lot of

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Speaker 2: things in her bra You're gonna have to listen to

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Speaker 2: work out what I'm talking about. And of course we

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Speaker 2: aen with Bougian budget. She's gen Z, I'm millennial. There's

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Speaker 2: almost twenty years between us, but there are some things

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Speaker 2: we agree on. Enjoy. Whoever said orange is a new

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Speaker 2: pink with seriously disturbed laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: you have to do it.

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Speaker 1: You live for fashion.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Nothing to Wear Lee Here Now Today,

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Speaker 2: I've got Live James coming back. Live is twenty five

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Speaker 2: and runs the social here Mamma Mia, and she is

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Speaker 2: so stylish. So we're going to talk to generations, why

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Speaker 2: we fight about socks and everything in between? Live James,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. We were supposed to only do one episode

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Speaker 2: on our different generations. And what we were but we

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Speaker 2: couldn't stop talking, so we have a lot to say.

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Speaker 2: Turned two, so I wanted to get into some quick

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Speaker 2: fire questions and a bit more of an interrogation into

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Speaker 2: your style and the generation of people your age. Do

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Speaker 2: you have a wallet?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean? No?

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Speaker 1: Everything I need is on my phone. What if your

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Speaker 1: phone dies but it doesn't, That's just like not a

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Speaker 1: situation that I would allow to happen. And I would

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Speaker 1: just go and ask someone to charge it, or I'd

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Speaker 1: say to my friend.

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Speaker 2: There's your Medicare on your app thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've just got the number on my lies.

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Speaker 2: Oh good, and your license is because in news have

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Speaker 2: a DIGITALNSE depends safe to stay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But when that didn't happen, I just had a

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Speaker 1: little thing on the back of my phone that i'd

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Speaker 1: slip it into. Yeah, like I could romanticize having a wallet,

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Speaker 1: like opening it up and shaking the goods.

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Speaker 2: I went from what was a standard sized wallet to

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Speaker 2: a small wallet. But I still have all my cards,

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Speaker 2: my Medicare, my fly bys. Is that all on your phone?

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Speaker 2: All your fly bys?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah I did. I just recently got that.

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Speaker 2: Actually, what if someone steals your phone, and then you

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Speaker 2: don't have your if someone steals your wallet, I've still

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what if they still both?

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Speaker 2: Well that's happened.

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Speaker 1: See never happened to me.

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Speaker 2: this is what happened to me handbags. Okay, I don't

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Speaker 2: see your generation of you guys like having a variety

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Speaker 2: what's going on with handbags?

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Speaker 1: Look, I actually have quite an interesting perspective on this, right.

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Speaker 1: A handbag to me is an accessory, right, but you

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily actually need it for your outfit. Maybe when

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Speaker 1: you go into certain life stages as being like a parent,

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Speaker 1: I don't need a handbag.

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Speaker 2: Okay, take away going to work, because do you leave

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Speaker 2: with the girlfriends, Yeah you're taking a handbag?

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Speaker 1: Probably not where's your lip?

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Speaker 1: Like in my pocket?

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Speaker 2: Where's your tampon? Sorry? But like I just find this

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Speaker 1: Okay, So there is one handbag that I have. It's

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Speaker 2: And is that verst centtile enough to take you most places?

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Speaker 1: Yes? It is absolutely the only thing that I have

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Speaker 1: I love that. It's just like out of my tax bracket.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if that makes sense, tissues not what?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. For a long time, I just put

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Speaker 1: And you know, you forget handbags like you put them

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Speaker 2: I wish I could be as free. Do you have

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Speaker 1: I probably quite like the handbag thing, right, They're beautiful,

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Speaker 1: a ceo of like some kind of company. But I

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Speaker 1: I resort to the kitten heels. Yeah, like if it's

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Speaker 2: See, that's the wisdom I gained in my forties, and

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Speaker 1: I remember you, like over a year ago about how

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Speaker 2: It was an unspoken rule that you had to wear

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, this is amazing. I love your generation. What

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Speaker 2: have you, personally and your generation got against no show

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Speaker 1: What have you got against showing your socks?

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Speaker 2: I don't your generation started it. If I am going

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Speaker 1: I reckon, that comes back to the mad days of rules, right,

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Speaker 1: which one goes with it?

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Speaker 2: I approve of your love of socks, But why do

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Speaker 1: They feel like sneaky.

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Speaker 2: Because they're just so functional and not fun.

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Speaker 1: Well, they don't even feel functional, like they slide down

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Speaker 2: Because a no show sock is like shape reir, like

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Speaker 1: So it's easier to get on board with that. Whereas

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Speaker 2: It is just a dit so your feet don't get

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Speaker 1: So that's where I draw the line. But that's also

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Speaker 2: That makes a statement this happened you brought in Tokyo.

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Speaker 2: It says something, but your comfy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be comfortable but show that you put

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Speaker 1: It's finding the fine line. I will be uncomfortable if

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Speaker 2: Work in a creative office. Anything you wouldn't wear it

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Speaker 2: like it is a creative office. But I do see

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do active wear personally. I have these little

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Speaker 1: But other than that, I don't think I there's no

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Speaker 1: rules when you're shop.

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Speaker 2: Do you mostly look for things that you can wear

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Speaker 2: to work and outside of work? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Last question before Bougie and budget. This is so fascinating

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Speaker 2: to me. Where immediately comes to mind when I say

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Speaker 2: where do you go shopping? Is it online? And is

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Speaker 2: it in real life? And what stores and what brands online?

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent only online unless it's basics and unless

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Speaker 1: I'm going to somewhere like Kmar or Uniclo.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I rarely am in the store. Okay, getting in

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Speaker 1: the store actually stresses me out, like I start sweating.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Wait, if you ever have children, you to try

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Speaker 2: and go with the toddler? And where do you go online?

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Speaker 1: I really like the Connie. I love spaces that you

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Speaker 2: The website version of a department store.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and then I do like deepop because you can

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Speaker 1: send offers. The other day I got a pair of

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Speaker 1: like Elias may heels like Kitten Hills for fifteen dollars. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, this is crazy.

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Speaker 2: And you mentioned Asos, which yes, a saus as well

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Speaker 2: chips from Singapore. Sometimes it's a bit of everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Takes about a week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But the good thing is they're on opposite season,

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Speaker 2: so they're having like a big winter sale right now

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Speaker 2: and we're going into winter. Ohl. If I could talk

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Speaker 2: to you forever, it's very expensive. How would let's do

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Speaker 2: bougie and budget? Yeah, let's start with our budget.

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Speaker 1: So my budget. Speaking of uniclones, speaking of basics is

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Speaker 1: I think I found the best long sleeve basic white tea. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's called the uniclo air Ism.

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Speaker 2: Yeah tea. They're fabric that like it feels nice and

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Speaker 2: soft and cottony. But if you're sweaty, yes it's good.

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Speaker 1: And it has the perfect fit where I like when

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Speaker 1: shirts don't cling to your hips and they flare out,

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Speaker 1: not like flare out, they're loose at the bottom. They

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Speaker 1: look a bit boxy. Yes, has that perfect boxy fit,

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Speaker 1: and it comes in like cute little colors. It's like

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Speaker 1: you've got the classic black and white, but then you've

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Speaker 1: got baby pink yellow. All that kind of stuff come

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Speaker 1: up really nice. Thirty bucks.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's good. Oh no, my budget's expensive compared to that.

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Speaker 2: But heap stupa than my bougie. I wonder how you're

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Speaker 2: gonna feel about this. They're from Chic It's called the

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Speaker 2: Nara pant. I would almost say it is leggings as pants.

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Speaker 2: So it's a black, high waisted legging.

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Speaker 1: God, I know, it's like skinny jeans coming back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, little tiny slip at the ankle.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's quite like equestrian.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a bit of questrian. It's almost like a

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Speaker 2: cigarette pant. It's like a tight legging, bit dressy. I

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Speaker 2: would wear that with a very high heel and an

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Speaker 2: oversized bomber.

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Speaker 1: That's cool. Cool, Yeah, did you wear pants with shoes attached? Once?

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Speaker 2: I did? Yes, it's kind That's why I was in

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Speaker 2: Paris pretending to not be real me but which is cool.

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Speaker 2: But your generation don't dip pants like this in general,

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Speaker 2: like a tight black pant. A kuld be a legging.

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Speaker 1: People are trying to bring the skinny gene back. That is,

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Speaker 1: it's whispering, it's happening. I'm not necessarily in there.

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Speaker 2: You're in a barrel gene.

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Speaker 1: No, not into that classically via straight leg.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind straight leg.

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Speaker 1: That's all I want. Watsibugie my bougie, which is bougie

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Speaker 1: because of how I got it, but actually quite a

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Speaker 1: budget price.

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Speaker 2: That's so good at this game.

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Speaker 1: I got it in Tokyo, Okay. I went and got

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Speaker 1: the on Asuker Tiger. Yes, Mexico sixty six.

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Speaker 2: Is great, and I went to there.

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Speaker 1: They have this special store in Ginza, and you can

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Speaker 1: go and get the shoes embroidered with like little characters,

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Speaker 1: so you can do your initials, you can do like.

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Speaker 2: Your personalization, personalization.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I got this black and red pear and then

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Speaker 1: I embroidered it with my age so I can just

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Speaker 1: remember all I was and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: If on a Super Tigers, mine aren't inscribed or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But but they're cool.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they're still cool because for a few years old.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, they're still cool. That one hundred percent maybe one

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Speaker 1: of the coolest. And there are only one hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty eight dollars because they're made in Japan. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: there are about two hundred bucks here.

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Speaker 2: But they're a great shoe for someone like me who's

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Speaker 2: not a huge train to wear it and I can't

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Speaker 2: do the big chunkies Solomon Hiking. Look, they're nice and

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Speaker 2: the streamline they pack well for.

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Speaker 1: Travel, absolutely lovely.

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Speaker 2: We both agree with that.

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Speaker 1: They're so light. Yeah, they're really good.

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Speaker 2: My bougie is something I will never own, but the

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Speaker 2: cookies follow me freewhere. It is the most beautiful Swede jacket.

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Speaker 2: We're both into Swede. Yeah, before you get too excited,

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Speaker 2: it is one thousand, four hundred and seventy dollars. It's

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Speaker 2: by a brand called Noir Hamoa. Oh, it's nice and

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Speaker 2: it's like a it's like a cropped brown spade trench.

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Speaker 2: Look great with your pants, I know, but I can't

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Speaker 2: afford it. I would size up. I think it's a

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Speaker 2: French brand. It's not fitted fitted.

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Speaker 1: No no, no no, but it folds like it's got

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Speaker 1: the nice folding of the.

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Speaker 2: It's got the professor. Okay, I can teach you. There

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Speaker 2: we go, but it's quite cropped it kind of it's

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Speaker 2: just above a hip bone. If I was to ever

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Speaker 2: win a lot of I would size up and get this.

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Speaker 2: It's just a dream, but I do color. You and

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Speaker 2: I twenty years apart, both loving sways. Yeah, we're both bombers.

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Speaker 2: Vintage leather bombers are very good.

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Speaker 1: There's a viral bomber that's going off from Zara at

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Speaker 1: the moment on Tiktop. It's still five hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they do the premium collection.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can't do it.

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Speaker 2: I've been searching deepop there's some good ones on them.

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Speaker 1: Bombers are gooreat.

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Speaker 2: Live James, thank you for representing your wonderful generation who

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Speaker 2: can run because we walked, and I love that we're

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Speaker 2: trying to put to rest the generational war fashion because yeah,

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Speaker 2: it fun.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's close and canach absolutely. Thank you so much for.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me, thank you for listening to

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