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Speaker 1: welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that solves fashion
Speaker 1: problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'mill a Campberlon. Every
Speaker 1: week I talk to an expert who helps us work
Speaker 1: out how to get more out of the clothes we
Speaker 1: already own and tells us exactly what is and isn't
Speaker 1: worth adding to our wardrobe. Forget spring cleaning. Now is
Speaker 1: the perfect time to look at your wardrobe. Look at
Speaker 1: all your clothes, fall in love with what you love,
Speaker 1: get the dusty stuff from out the back, ask yourself
Speaker 1: why you're keeping it. But it can be hard, It
Speaker 1: can be incredibly overwhelming. I personally struggle with clearing my
Speaker 1: wardrobe out, and I try to do it all the time,
Speaker 1: but I've not nailed the method. So I've brought back
Speaker 1: someone who is ruthless and honest, and I love her advice.
Speaker 1: Nicoleber nithen Hines is a stylist. She has been in
Speaker 1: the fashion industry for decades, and she is honest. She's
Speaker 1: the type of person we need, so she's gonna teach
Speaker 1: us how and why to keep the things we keep. Nicole,
Speaker 1: welcome back. I feel like you were the only expert
Speaker 1: for this episode because you can be direct and ruthless.
Speaker 2: Yes, I can.
Speaker 1: I'm sort of having you come to all of our
Speaker 1: wardrobes and actually do the cleanup. We're gonna talk to
Speaker 1: you about clearing out our wardrobes. Where should someone start?
Speaker 1: Do you have a method that you recommend.
Speaker 3: I do sometimes when I have private clients.
Speaker 1: So do you do this for private clients? Yeap, Oh
Speaker 1: good to know. Yeah, it's not my favorite thing to do, though.
Speaker 1: It's the thing I don't like doing for myself. No,
Speaker 1: of totally. But don't you think it's easier for others
Speaker 1: because there's no sentimental Yeah, you're just down the line.
Speaker 2: I make you allergic to DustMite?
Speaker 1: Oh god, don't come to my house.
Speaker 3: Then closer to been like shoved in a couvered for
Speaker 3: years years is just full of it. Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: just spend the entire time sneezing and apologizing and blowing
Speaker 3: my eyes.
Speaker 1: Maybe they need to do a pre dust, So what's
Speaker 1: your method? Does it vary from client to client depending
Speaker 1: on their lifestyle, what they've got.
Speaker 3: Well, sometimes, just to make my life a bit easier,
Speaker 3: I'll say, why don't you do a little preliminary coal, okay?
Speaker 3: And if they've got no interest in that, then you know.
Speaker 3: And it depends how much a hoarder they are or not.
Speaker 1: And also how big their wardrobe is. Because I'm lucky
Speaker 1: my relatively new word rabbits about a year old is big.
Speaker 1: But the problem me is so I don't clear it
Speaker 1: out till it's bursting. But that's just way too want
Speaker 1: to close one person, Yeah, it really is. The methods.
Speaker 1: Say you're coming to my house, I need help. I
Speaker 1: don't know what to keep, what to get rid of?
Speaker 1: Are we doing piles? What are we doing?
Speaker 3: So sometimes I bring a spare rack, which not everybody has,
Speaker 3: and maybe it's just you know, the floor in the
Speaker 3: whole way.
Speaker 2: I don't know, yep.
Speaker 3: But I get them to show me what it is
Speaker 3: that they wear on the regular so it's their go
Speaker 3: to pieces.
Speaker 1: So our theory about the ten percent ninety percent the
Speaker 1: stuff they wear scent of the time pretty much.
Speaker 3: So I get them to pull those things out and
Speaker 3: then we start going through it.
Speaker 2: Icem buy, icem.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'll start and I'll just go, let's put all
Speaker 3: your pants together, let's put all your jackets together, let's
Speaker 3: put all your dresses.
Speaker 1: Together, because it might be a real mess, might at
Speaker 1: least in categories. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, sometimes they're just you know, everything, everything everywhere.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And then I'll just go through and I can be
Speaker 3: ruthless and for a startup, it's when was the last
Speaker 3: time you wore this?
Speaker 1: So do you ask questions that they've thought or do
Speaker 1: you just look and go, oh, hideous?
Speaker 2: Because sometimes I do that.
Speaker 1: Oh I did wonder because I think, like I said,
Speaker 1: we can't all have you there. But sometimes I need
Speaker 1: someone to go, look, why did you buy that? When
Speaker 1: did you buy that? Or where do you think you're
Speaker 1: ever going to wear that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're good questions to ask, but i'd
Speaker 3: just more so I look at it and I go, well,
Speaker 3: is it all pill?
Speaker 2: Does it have holes in it? I mean that's that's
Speaker 2: round one basically.
Speaker 3: So round one is the things that I just awful,
Speaker 3: not because of anything, but just they're too wornly. It's
Speaker 3: just done, they're tired, and then round two will be
Speaker 3: how likely are you to ever wear this again? When
Speaker 3: was the last time you wore it?
Speaker 1: What does your life look like now that's different to
Speaker 1: how your life was when.
Speaker 2: You bought that things?
Speaker 1: Because lifestyle is so important, isn't it. If you're not
Speaker 1: going to lots of balls? Why if you've got fifty
Speaker 1: ball gowns?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And if they've sized up or down, I
Speaker 3: mean so many people, I'm going to keep that until
Speaker 3: I can fit it.
Speaker 2: Well, chances are you're not going to fit it.
Speaker 1: So speaking on size and whether things fit or not,
Speaker 1: are we trying things on? Not unless they're slightly redeemable. Okay,
Speaker 1: I can sort of tell if they're really it's not
Speaker 1: worth it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: If they go, oh, I don't know, I don't really
Speaker 2: want to part with that. I gotta show me what
Speaker 2: they look like.
Speaker 1: Okay, scary? Can I tell you my method that is
Speaker 1: definitely not perfect, but I want to get your thoughts
Speaker 1: on it. Firstly, I've done this more than once and
Speaker 1: I'm never going to do it again. Do not pull
Speaker 1: everything out at once unless you do have someone that
Speaker 1: to keep you accountable that you're paying but I've pulled
Speaker 1: everything out and they've lost all steam and I've just
Speaker 1: left it all on the bed.
Speaker 2: Don't do that.
Speaker 1: So what works best for me? Because I do have
Speaker 1: a lot of clothes, I'll admit, and I do have ADHD,
Speaker 1: So I lose interest in a project halfway through. I
Speaker 1: try and do maybe the Blazers one week, Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know dresses. Just cut it up into sections because
Speaker 1: I also get decision fatigue and then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm confused, and then that lee that I'm being that
Speaker 1: day might not want that dress, but I feel different.
Speaker 1: So do you think it's the hay to do it
Speaker 1: over stages?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Definitely.
Speaker 3: I mean it's always better if you chunk a task,
Speaker 3: but then if you've got someone like me there, then
Speaker 3: you have to do it all in one go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's you've got a cheerleader. They're keeping you
Speaker 1: on track. Whereas I end up walking downstairs at the
Speaker 1: Crown On I've got a sequence bag and I was
Speaker 1: cleaning out my wardrobe. Then I use washing baskets as
Speaker 1: my piles.
Speaker 2: How many washing baskets do you have?
Speaker 1: So many? I don't know. I've got like fifteen. How
Speaker 1: many Internet what should I have one? What the plastic
Speaker 1: one that you walk to the washing machine with?
Speaker 2: Yes, why do you have fifteen?
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's so weird one. How many people
Speaker 1: I've got? Well, I've got a husband and child. I've
Speaker 1: got really great ones from Amason and they collapsible flat,
Speaker 1: so they one slides under my bed, one sides under
Speaker 1: the kid's bed, and so when it's time to end,
Speaker 1: do the washing basket. Well, this is obviously my problem volume.
Speaker 1: These are my piles keep obviously, and that usually just
Speaker 1: kind of stays in the water. But I won't pull
Speaker 1: it out donate, So that's you know, you're going to
Speaker 1: your Vini's or whatever my celf. So it's like I've
Speaker 1: treated myself to a beautiful scale in the feed or
Speaker 1: something a few years ago. Probably won't wear it again,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to donate it. I want to
Speaker 1: try and get a bit of money back.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: I have a maybe pile. And that's when I just
Speaker 1: can't decide. It might be sentimental, it might be that
Speaker 1: it might not be in the right mood to make
Speaker 1: a decision. And then I have a try on like,
Speaker 1: oh those genes, am I making it too hard for myself.
Speaker 1: Do you reckon? No?
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty good approach.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'd say to people if they have a maybe
Speaker 3: pile and they really can't decide, I suggest if they've
Speaker 3: got a bit of room and a spare cupboards, yeah,
Speaker 3: put those things in there, and then see in reality,
Speaker 3: how many times do they go to that cupboard they
Speaker 3: have a period of X number of months.
Speaker 1: And if they've totally forgotten, yeah, like maybe put in
Speaker 1: your diary in three months check maybe cupboard. You're like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I forgot about those things clearly and want them.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean I've got literally more than half my wardrobes
Speaker 3: currently in storage and I've forgotten all of it.
Speaker 1: Oh but how exciting when you get to go back
Speaker 1: and play.
Speaker 2: Maybe I've got don't have enough cupet space?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I know. Well that storage is so much
Speaker 1: of this, isn't it? Because it really is dependent on storage.
Speaker 1: So key signs that a piece of clothing should be
Speaker 1: moved on, like you said, holes bold, just it's over
Speaker 1: lost in shape yep, not fitting too small, not fitting
Speaker 1: too big. How likely are your clients to tailor something?
Speaker 3: I mean I've got a pile of oh tailor it's
Speaker 3: worth tailoring, for sure.
Speaker 2: It's a really beautiful quality thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, that just needed to be fitted and it just
Speaker 3: needed someone to go put these in your car now
Speaker 3: and take them to the tailor.
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's what you do because the thing is
Speaker 1: for me. Like there's certain items that I love Shambra shirts.
Speaker 1: I probably got fifteen, but there's three that I love.
Speaker 1: Some are too big, some are too small. So it's
Speaker 1: just letting go. It's just keeping the three. Yeah, stop
Speaker 1: trying to bind the perfect Chambra shirt. Choose your favorite
Speaker 1: and get rid of the ones because I'm never going
Speaker 1: to reach for those other ones.
Speaker 2: No you're not.
Speaker 3: I mean that's really silly, Like you're never gonna wear
Speaker 3: that's two weeks and a bit of Chambre shirts staff today,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: But it's like one of my key stamles. Okay. So
Speaker 1: if you do have multiples of an item, yes, I mean,
Speaker 1: say you're quite a corporate office work, you might have
Speaker 1: more black pants than the average person. But I reckon
Speaker 1: there's probably some in there that when you go to
Speaker 1: pick your black pants, you're not reaching for a couple
Speaker 1: of those peers because they're not your favorites.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: So do you you know, do you think quantity is
Speaker 1: a problem with some clients or not enough of something,
Speaker 1: not in a variety, too many sombre shirts, not enough,
Speaker 1: too many different shirt fifteen.
Speaker 2: It's definitely too many shonpre shirts because.
Speaker 1: For me, I know when I definitely don't want something,
Speaker 1: and I know when I definitely do want to keep something.
Speaker 1: But it's the stuff in between that's like, oh that
Speaker 1: is quite a nice shirt. Yeah, I will wear that.
Speaker 1: Do you compare it back to what else is in
Speaker 1: your wardrobe?
Speaker 3: I think there are things that are worth having multiples of,
Speaker 3: like a pair of black pants, for example. I mean
Speaker 3: I've got high waisted black pants with pleats, black pants
Speaker 3: not with pleats, wide legged black plants, capri black pants. Yes,
Speaker 3: and they all have a purpose and I think it's
Speaker 3: worth hanging on to them.
Speaker 1: And do you wear them relatively frequently or the cell
Speaker 1: great condition?
Speaker 3: I wear them relatively frequently. Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: that's probably the only thing.
Speaker 1: Oh white shirts, Yeah, you know, so whatever your staple is,
Speaker 1: I mean you're wearing black pants and a white shirt.
Speaker 2: That works out maybe for me.
Speaker 1: My staples up jeans, shambra shirts, T shirt, so I
Speaker 1: do have more than I guess the average person, but
Speaker 1: I do wear them a fab Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I knew you wouldn't havever wear.
Speaker 1: Fifty No, because I reach for my top three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get rotation. Yeah, so get rid of the other.
Speaker 1: Why don't you put the maths here? Twelve in your
Speaker 1: spare cuppets. Okay, and see how you go back to it.
Speaker 1: This is how see what happens items that we haven't
Speaker 1: worn for a while. Do you have a hard and
Speaker 1: fast rule, you know how some people are like twelve
Speaker 1: months or turn the hangar? I mean it does it
Speaker 1: depend on the item? Because times we've got pretty dresses,
Speaker 1: but we haven't got a wedding to go to.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I feel like, you know, I've.
Speaker 3: Got a couple of really beautiful black tie dresses that wow,
Speaker 3: be like if I wear them once a year. But
Speaker 3: they're beautiful, I don't know, and they make you happy,
Speaker 3: But you just put them in the back corner of
Speaker 3: your cupboard, you.
Speaker 1: Know, they're not front.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the things that you wear every single day need
Speaker 3: to be in that spot where you can open it easily.
Speaker 3: And actually, just as another chip to the people out there,
Speaker 3: I'm currently renovating. Certainly, I'm not going to get more
Speaker 3: cupboard space.
Speaker 1: It's very upset design.
Speaker 3: I know it's just a no budget and be no room.
Speaker 3: But I'm staying with a friend and she has sliding
Speaker 3: door wardrobes.
Speaker 1: They are hell, They're not good, They're terrible. I mean
Speaker 1: they're good for if you you know the bed's right there,
Speaker 1: and you can't. Of course, maybe a third of.
Speaker 3: Your stuff you can't see anything like I do the
Speaker 3: whole open the doors and go, oh, there's that pair
Speaker 3: of mauve pants that look with great with that pink
Speaker 3: shirt over there, because you won't wear it if you
Speaker 3: can't see it.
Speaker 1: Correct. Your brain also doesn't know, but that's right. Finally,
Speaker 1: before we started recording, I said to you, I love
Speaker 1: those pants. I think I've got those pants, and we
Speaker 1: worked out we both have those pants. There's somewhere in
Speaker 1: the abyss for good. I had them, love them and
Speaker 1: almost would have bought similar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't you have all your pants in one
Speaker 2: spot in your wood?
Speaker 1: Yes? I do, but there's just like a chunk of
Speaker 1: black and I just again need to do a clean out.
Speaker 1: That's what you're here for, to help all of us.
Speaker 1: You might have a lot of clothes. You might not
Speaker 1: have a lot of clothes, but if you're not wearing them,
Speaker 1: it's time for clean out anyway, regardless of volume, at
Speaker 1: least inspecting why or making a conscious decisions should it
Speaker 1: stay there for good reason or is it just taking
Speaker 1: up space? Yeah? And the liberation afterwards, that's something to
Speaker 1: look forward to, Okay, liberation, that's my goal. Sentimental pieces, Look,
Speaker 1: if you're not wearing them, what are you going to
Speaker 1: do with your wedding dress? For example, I sold my
Speaker 1: wedding dress straight away. Fatal not sentimental with clothing other things,
Speaker 1: I am. I've got a beautiful dress of my mum's
Speaker 1: from the seventies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I guess I allow myself a few
Speaker 1: sentimental items. But I'm like, oh, I wore that T
Speaker 1: shirt on my third date. Was rich, you know, because
Speaker 1: otherwise everything could become Yeah, it's hard, but I think
Speaker 1: you do have to just clench your eyes and yeah
Speaker 1: and put them in and in the pile that goes
Speaker 1: to goodwill or something. You're very timeless. You're all about
Speaker 1: quality and long wear, but some of us are into
Speaker 1: kind of hard and fast trends, What do we do
Speaker 1: with those pieces like hard because those things are much
Speaker 1: easier to part with because they're ship that I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're buying from Shine or those we're not.
Speaker 1: We're not say you've got you know, it's something that
Speaker 1: you love or loved that was very a few summers
Speaker 1: ago trend in terms of the zion And I always
Speaker 1: see what you're saying over right, yep, got it? What
Speaker 1: if we do, like, if you kind of feel like
Speaker 1: that'll while ago.
Speaker 3: If it's not the thing you donate, I guess it's
Speaker 3: going to be someone who's not up on the trends
Speaker 3: like you are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. But also do you believe in that
Speaker 1: whole Maricondo thing of bringing you joy? Oh, you brought
Speaker 1: your joy two years ago, but it's done anymore, I know.
Speaker 2: But then you're bringing joy to someone who's really behind
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: But perhaps that when you can't decide, that's the filter
Speaker 1: you apply because they think there's a very black and
Speaker 1: white filter of yes, love, no, got holes terrible, but
Speaker 1: there's stuff in the middle. You try the joy filter.
Speaker 2: You could definitely try that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, timeless pieces, So you talked about, you know,
Speaker 1: black pants, white shirts, so meat's jeans and a T shirt.
Speaker 1: Do you always suggest we keep the same ones or
Speaker 1: is it even worth addressing the timeless pieces because shapes change?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, you've got to change your time with pieces. Yes, timeless,
Speaker 3: they're not.
Speaker 2: That timeless, but then it might be every ten years
Speaker 2: like it might be.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know one of those beautiful Maximra coats that's
Speaker 3: just gorgeous.
Speaker 1: It truly is timeless.
Speaker 2: That is pretty time.
Speaker 1: But also, say, let's say skinny leg you know, was
Speaker 1: in for so long now apparently coming back, but we're
Speaker 1: still doing white or straight. If you've got a really
Speaker 1: good quality pair of great skinny legs, you don't have
Speaker 1: to throw them all out. You know, maybe you wore
Speaker 1: a lot and you've got some cheapiees that have stretched.
Speaker 1: We get rid of those. But if you've got your
Speaker 1: beautiful levice, do we keep those? Do you reckon update
Speaker 1: you're going to buy a fresh one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's just to take I mean, I'm spending
Speaker 3: a fortune on storage. The amount I'm going to spend
Speaker 3: on storage versus how much it would cost me to
Speaker 3: repurchase something down the track, I'm sure I'm overspending in.
Speaker 2: The storage arena.
Speaker 1: Oh I love storage though. That's such a good point,
Speaker 1: because you're right, if it's coming around every ten or
Speaker 1: fifteen years, you might want to update it anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you would, because you're not going to
Speaker 3: be the same shape. Yes, no, I think you would. Yeah,
Speaker 3: if it's a timeless thing. But but I do think
Speaker 3: timeless pieces need to be updated, you know. Yea, if
Speaker 3: it's a blazer, it might be double breasted, not single,
Speaker 3: might more fitted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's good. So even though it falls into
Speaker 1: a timeless category of maybe a trench or maybe whatever,
Speaker 1: you still need to analyze it.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: So. Oh lord, I've got a lot of work ahead
Speaker 1: of me. How often do you suggest people clean things out,
Speaker 1: like do this? What do you do? Well? About to
Speaker 1: do it again? In ordinary life? Do you move your
Speaker 1: winter two years? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I always.
Speaker 3: I just again, I've never had enough wardrobe space, so
Speaker 3: I always rotate seasonally and off season. My off season
Speaker 3: is in those bags that suck up.
Speaker 1: The vacuum back.
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, they're good.
Speaker 1: Or anything. No, because there's no air so there's no moisture. Ever,
Speaker 1: Oh good, I need to do and then they can
Speaker 1: fit in drawers or those big plastic tubs. Yes, things
Speaker 1: like coats. You don't really want to do that too,
Speaker 1: but t shirt shorts, some knits structured, yeah, anything that's
Speaker 1: not structured or tailored really, yes, exactly, Yeah, I do
Speaker 1: that about now I'll get rid of all my winter stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bring the summer stuff before I wash it all though, Okay,
Speaker 1: So wash it all and then store it? Well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you put your note you diy to remind you
Speaker 1: where it is or anything or not that person?
Speaker 2: You should?
Speaker 1: You should have a spot for it, not.
Speaker 2: Behind the fridge.
Speaker 1: I swear I had a navy niche and I got
Speaker 1: buy a new one and in the end of next week, fine,
Speaker 1: and wear a hit on my Okay. So we've done
Speaker 1: our piles, either with someone as wonderful as you or
Speaker 1: by yourself in the kind of interim or as a
Speaker 1: kind of a consolation prize of a gun of you.
Speaker 1: Do you ever suggest enlisting a friend? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think if you don't want to hire a person,
Speaker 3: then I think it's good to have a set of
Speaker 3: objective eyes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're going to do that honest. Yeah, someone
Speaker 1: who's honest but also wants to get in there and
Speaker 1: get the dust and get dirty, because you've got to
Speaker 1: get it done.
Speaker 3: You want someone who isn't going to be of a
Speaker 3: different you know, someone who loves florally things for example,
Speaker 3: and a bit aligned with your and understand your style.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, And then I could always go in
Speaker 1: the maybe pile. If you sometimes don't agree and don't
Speaker 1: want to get in a heated argument, you just go
Speaker 1: that's maybe until you leave. That's what I do, and
Speaker 1: then I put it all back. Say you've got stuff
Speaker 1: you've got to get rid of. Do you donate, do
Speaker 1: you sell? Do you do a mix of both.
Speaker 3: I've never had much success with selling, and it's just
Speaker 3: depressing how much.
Speaker 2: You can back there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've really got to have low expectations.
Speaker 2: So I really do.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's nice that they find a new home,
Speaker 3: but sometimes I just get impatient and I just shove
Speaker 3: it all in a bag and stick it in all
Speaker 3: of those bins.
Speaker 2: On the street.
Speaker 1: It's donating. Yeah, I know someone's going to go through
Speaker 1: the parl and go, oh my god, it's a center
Speaker 1: on bag. Oh my gosh. Don't you ever I do.
Speaker 1: I get to a point where I like I just
Speaker 1: can't even think about this anymore. Someone's going to be
Speaker 1: very excited sell things for you. Yes, you're only get
Speaker 1: half the price, but it's better than nothing. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: But if it's really trash, as my Centeroon bag was,
Speaker 1: I was just overseas and I got quite a trashed
Speaker 1: low Ova bag for one hundred and thirty five urom
Speaker 1: still online for six thousand, six hundred. Wow. I send
Speaker 1: it off to the bag sparts back. It's like new
Speaker 1: no way, yep. My suggestions because I like thrifting and
Speaker 1: I do have a big volume of clothes. I like
Speaker 1: to get shiny new things all the time. So I've
Speaker 1: had some success on eBay Again, anything online is a
Speaker 1: lot of questions. You've got to be mentally prepared for
Speaker 1: the back and forth. eBay deep op a lot of
Speaker 1: people use that deep but I feel like that's younger thing.
Speaker 1: Oh No, you've just got to find your circle. I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I mean there's beautiful designer on there,
Speaker 1: there's just you know, like your calls in your country
Speaker 1: road level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've just.
Speaker 1: Got to find the person.
Speaker 2: I don't know about this stuff.
Speaker 1: Facebook marketplace again can be a dumpsterfire, can be great.
Speaker 1: We did a swap in the moment of my office.
Speaker 1: Recently we all went and cleaned out of wardrobes. Everyone
Speaker 1: had sort of six weeks notice and we all brought
Speaker 1: in and the amount of items you brought in was
Speaker 1: the amount of tokens you got to then swap. But
Speaker 1: there's places before you throw out another Saint Laurent bag
Speaker 1: as a one that me uses all the time. I
Speaker 1: use what we wore. They did have a store in
Speaker 1: the Sydney Eastern suburbs, but now they're just online. They
Speaker 1: will take half, but at least you know geting something
Speaker 1: and you don't have to do all the back and
Speaker 1: forth and the trying on. Talk to me about storage.
Speaker 1: So we've cleaned out our wardrobe and then we want
Speaker 1: to make it more functional and I guess visible some
Speaker 1: of us might have sliding doors. What do you recommend
Speaker 1: We then put all the stuff we're keeping back so
Speaker 1: we wear it again.
Speaker 3: It's just about order. You don't wear something if it's
Speaker 3: not orderly. So I like to put things in their categories.
Speaker 3: So you have black pants together, or your blue pants together,
Speaker 3: or your cotton casual pants together. Yes, whatever your categories are,
Speaker 3: or your blazers and the rest of the stuff, just.
Speaker 1: You know, see you later, see you later. Wow, you're
Speaker 1: so ruthless. Do you ever argue with the client about
Speaker 1: not argue? But are people harder to convince because they
Speaker 1: have that emotional attachment to their things?
Speaker 2: Sometimes?
Speaker 3: I mean, at the end of the day, drag it
Speaker 3: and run away, And I say, well, I'm here because
Speaker 3: you've hired me to be here, so you can take
Speaker 3: my advice or not. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they do
Speaker 3: what you do with your friend, though they probably just go, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'll take it to the goodwill And then it's.
Speaker 1: Why you're so good at this and I'm not because
Speaker 1: I think I don't want to let that go and
Speaker 1: I haven't examined why why do I I want to
Speaker 1: keep it? Where am I planning or wearing it? The
Speaker 1: amount of imaginary dress up parties I'm going to in
Speaker 1: my field, Wait to a dress up party. I have
Speaker 1: not been dressed up ten years. Okay, so we're clearing
Speaker 1: out our wardrobes. I want you to ask, on average
Speaker 1: with your clients, is it that they have too much
Speaker 1: stuff and need it, or that they just haven't identified
Speaker 1: the holes or the gaps in their wardrobe. Why are
Speaker 1: people needing this service? Well, the people that I work with,
Speaker 1: generally it's not a priority. They don't think that about
Speaker 1: their wardrobe. Yes, I mean they know they have.
Speaker 2: To get dressed obviously, but they've got other stuff that's
Speaker 2: more sure.
Speaker 1: So they might be corporate, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: And some of them are hoarders, you know, they.
Speaker 1: Just kind of get it and keep it and there's
Speaker 1: just another task they never get to it, and or
Speaker 1: some of them are emotionally attached to all these crazy things.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, this is a dress I wore on
Speaker 1: my first date when we met. It's a disgusting DKM.
Speaker 2: Why dress or something?
Speaker 1: Do you say that?
Speaker 2: Moving on?
Speaker 3: Oh well, I'm probably less tactful than that. I would say, no,
Speaker 3: you don't need this. Yeah, well you don't need it.
Speaker 3: I mean it is beautiful and sentimental. You've got that memory,
Speaker 3: probably had a photo.
Speaker 1: You don't need to keep the dress because by applying
Speaker 1: that filter to everything, you would live in piles of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah you would.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, what's your one takeaway for people that are
Speaker 1: feeling overwhelmed by the thought and also say you're not there?
Speaker 1: This is what I wonder because Holly, who is one
Speaker 1: of my colleagues. She recently did it and she messaged me, goes, God,
Speaker 1: this takes a long time. Do you think people underestimate
Speaker 1: the effort that you need.
Speaker 3: Well, again, it depends on how much stuff they've gotten.
Speaker 3: Heart and they cull. But I think your idea is good.
Speaker 3: Just break it down into I'm doing these two drawers today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't feel too overwhelming. No, I think any
Speaker 1: task is more achievable if you break into chunks.
Speaker 2: I used to say that to my kids with their studying.
Speaker 1: Okay, I need to hire you. It's not that dusty.
Speaker 1: I promise you'll just drown on the piles of.
Speaker 2: Sure, I'll do anything other than my own wardrobe. I'll
Speaker 2: come and look at yours any day. Thank you, it's
Speaker 2: my pleasure.
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