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Speaker 2: Lawsuit on social media addiction, to growing backlash against deep

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Speaker 2: have missed this week. It's the Quikie for Friday, March

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Speaker 2: twenty seven. I'm Taylor Strano. Here's Clare Murphy with the

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Speaker 2: latest news headlines.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Taylor. Olympic chiefs have announced that transgender women will

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Speaker 3: be banned from competing in female competitions from the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty eight Games onwards. Eligibility for any female category at

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Speaker 3: the Games will now be limited to biological women only,

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Speaker 3: with an athlete's status determined by a one time gene

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Speaker 3: screening process. The new eligibility policy he pushed for by

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Speaker 3: IOC chief Kirsty Coventry, who's been vocal in her mission

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Speaker 3: US President Donald Trump's Executive Order on Women's sports ahead

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Speaker 3: of the twenty twenty eight LA Games.

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Speaker 4: I understand that this is very sensitive topic. As a

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Speaker 4: Olympians to take part in fair competition. The policy that

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Speaker 4: been led by medical experts with the best interests of

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Speaker 4: athletes at its heart. The scientific evidence is very clear

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Speaker 4: male chromosomes give performance advantages and sports that rely on strength,

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Speaker 4: power or endurance. At the Olympic Games, even the smallest

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Speaker 4: it's absolutely clear that it would not be fair for

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Speaker 3: After an executive board meeting, the IOC published a ten

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Speaker 3: medical conditions known as differences in sex development or DSD.

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Speaker 3: Before the twenty twenty four Paris Olympics, three top tier sports,

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Speaker 3: track and field, swimming and cycling had already pasted rules

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Speaker 3: excluding transgender women who'd been through mail puberty. The IOC

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Speaker 3: document details its research that being born male gives physical

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Speaker 3: advantages that are retained, saying male's experience three significant testosterone

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Speaker 3: say this gives males individuals sex based performance advantages in

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Speaker 3: sports and events that rely on strength, power, and or endurance.

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Speaker 3: Experts say the panic buying a fuel across the country

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Speaker 3: of the war in Iran. Doctor Tim Neil, who researches

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Speaker 2: Thanks Clan next from Meta losing out in a landmark

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Speaker 1: The Internet and tech stories you might have missed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there are three tech related stories you have to

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Speaker 2: be across this week. First up, a massive win in

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Speaker 2: just found Meta, that's the parent company to adds like

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Speaker 2: Facebook and Instagram, and Google, liable for three million US

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Speaker 2: They found Instagram and YouTube's design features that's its infinite

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Speaker 2: Meta and Google have made their platforms in a way

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Speaker 2: that's become an addiction. The plaintiff, a twenty year old woman,

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Speaker 2: and pointed to safety tools like time limits, But the

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Speaker 2: jury ultimately said the platforms knew or should have known

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Speaker 2: verdict could open the floodgates for thousands of similar cases.

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Speaker 2: It's the latest in a wave of US law's targeting

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Speaker 1: In an unrelated case this.

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Speaker 2: Week, Meta was also found to have violated state law

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Speaker 2: in New Mexico, enabling child sexual exploitation on Facebook, Instagram,

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Speaker 2: Now over to the White House, Millennia Trump made history

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Speaker 2: by welcoming the first human shaped robot guest, Fig three,

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Speaker 1: Now. Thank you, First.

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Speaker 5: Lady Milania Trump for inviting you to the White House.

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Speaker 5: It is an honor to be at fostering the Future

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Speaker 5: Together's Global Coalition inaugural meeting. I'm Figure three, a humanoid

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Speaker 5: to be part of this historic movement to empower children

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Speaker 5: with technology and education. Welcome be in Benevos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it just kind of continued on welcoming White

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Speaker 2: House guests in multiple languages. Part of the event was

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Speaker 1: AI will soon move from phones to robots that deliver utility.

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Speaker 2: Also at the White House, President Trump just named Meta

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Speaker 1: And finally, open.

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Speaker 2: Ai AKA, the creators of chat GPT, pulled the plug

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Speaker 2: on Sora this week. It's the app for generating short

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Speaker 2: also setting off massive deep fake alarms.

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Speaker 1: The applet users.

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Speaker 2: Make hyperrealistic clips of public figures like Michael Jackson, Martin

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Speaker 2: It forced open ai to crack down, but only after

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Speaker 2: family estates and actors' unions cried foul. Famously, and a

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Speaker 2: little controversially, Disney actually struck a deal with the tech

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Speaker 1: That deal, too, is now dead in the water.

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Speaker 2: So why should you care about any of these Yes,

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Speaker 2: because it's all connected, addictive apps shaping how kids think,

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Speaker 2: robots in classrooms, reading emotions.

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Speaker 1: And AI videos that make fake look real.

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Speaker 2: For more on this, we're joined by futurist and honorary

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Speaker 1: Mark Peshi.

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Speaker 2: Mark, I want to start with some of these lawsuits.

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Speaker 2: They've been held as landmark lawsuits. Meta and Google first

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Speaker 6: So, basically, a woman who's now an adult sued both Meta.

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Speaker 6: Basically Instagram is probably what we're thinking about there as

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Speaker 6: for basically addicting her. And so they got the head

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Speaker 6: Instagram's a drug. They can't switch it off. It's you know,

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Speaker 6: they knew internally and they were joking about it internally.

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Speaker 6: And YouTube, I'm not quite sure, but the head of

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Speaker 6: YouTube said that YouTube is not designed to maximize viewing time.

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Speaker 6: And I'm thinking that person has never used YouTube, because

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Speaker 6: And for a child who doesn't really understand the slippery

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Speaker 6: on after deliberating just a day, which tells you what

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Speaker 2: It feels like a poor business move to say that

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Speaker 2: your platform is not designed to keep people on said platform.

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Speaker 2: What are some of the addictive elements to these platforms?

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Speaker 2: I mean, in that lawsuit they mentioned things like endless scroll.

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Speaker 1: Are there any others we should call out?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think that's probably the big one, which

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Speaker 6: is that it will never be exhausted and therefore you

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Speaker 6: a child who doesn't have any inbuilt sense of what

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Speaker 6: constitutes appropriate digital behavior. And the thing is, we have

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Speaker 6: of what meant appropriate digital behavior, particularly when you add

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Speaker 6: infinite scroll on to it. So some of this is

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Speaker 6: that these platforms took advantage of new features that they

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Speaker 6: knew because they were seeing the analytics all along.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess here in Australia people will say, well,

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Speaker 2: we've got a under sixteen social media band now, so

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Speaker 2: surely that will help curb addiction.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people often are worried if AI is

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Speaker 6: The thing is, computers coming for the teachers is not

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Speaker 6: By the way, you can see Malania keeping her distance

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Speaker 6: We can use chatbots to do it better, but we

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Speaker 6: so that the child doesn't learn anything and getting it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this idea of robots in the classroom

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Speaker 2: is hopefully a little bit further off after what you've

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Speaker 2: just told us there.

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Speaker 1: We should keep our distance.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, can robots really teach those soft skills

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Speaker 6: This is the thing we put children into school in

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Speaker 6: how to share and be polite and work together, all

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Speaker 6: And I mean, I don't know. Maybe the robot's going

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Speaker 6: But that doesn't seem like a really good idea. I

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Speaker 6: don't think we want robots to bring corporal punishment. So

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Speaker 6: we have to wonder, well, what is the role of

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Speaker 6: the robot. We don't need to wonder what the role

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Speaker 6: of the teacher is. So why are we asking the

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Speaker 6: going to substitutebots. That's probably not the right answer to

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Speaker 2: The last story I want to touch on with you,

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Speaker 2: Mark is about open Ai, who are the creators of

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Speaker 2: chat gpt, which many people would have used. At some point.

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Speaker 2: They have decided to discontinue their SRA app, which essentially,

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Speaker 2: if you are not across you put some text prompts

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Speaker 2: in and it can spit back out at you a video.

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Speaker 2: Now they have discontinued it because there was this massive

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Speaker 2: wave of deep fakes and wildly inappropriate things being created

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Speaker 6: So, first off, that's not the reason. Let's just be clear,

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Speaker 6: I got that all right. So yes, people were doing

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Speaker 6: So that's not the reason. The real reason is that

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Speaker 6: be worth a trillion dollars. That will probably happen in

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Speaker 6: the third or fourth quarter of this year, and what

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Speaker 6: they're doing is they're running a ruler over their balance

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Speaker 6: sheet and Sora doesn't have a lot of paying users

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Speaker 1: Why is it being chalked up? Then like this is

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Speaker 6: Because when you're preparing for an initial public offering, you

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Speaker 6: know how to build products that sell.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this may be more business and it is

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, the reason we don't have it here in Australia

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Speaker 6: and they prevented it from getting the kind of global traction.

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Speaker 6: But the real reason that it isn't is because in fact,

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Speaker 6: So it was a fad. It's not clear that this

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